Joe Rogan reacts to Disturbing Meldrick Taylor CTE footage
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Interesting conversation about the dangers of CTE
Mariana van Zeller is an award-winning investigative journalist, and host of Nat Geo’s "Trafficked with Mariana van Zeller."
Clip taken from JRE #1938 w/ Mariana van Zeller
Host: Joe Rogan @joerogan
Guest: Mariana van Zeller
Producer: Jamie Vernon @jamievernon
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I'm relieved Joe didn't say Brendan was a comedian.
some people get knock out and get CTE while some get the illusion of being funny and become Brandon
That's what I just said. He does podcasting
I caught that as well. Joe said he was just a podcaster! Had to laugh at that..
Lol
I was just about to comment that. Then again I don't think Joe rogan's much of a stand up comedian.
Chavez beat the prime out of Taylor in 1 night, he was going to be best P4P of his era, but he committed an unforgettable sin, he tried to brawl the best brawler ever.
"Meldrick Taylor was too much of a Philadelphia fighter. He was a great boxer, but he loved to get in there and fight, and sometimes when it wasn't to his best advantage." - Larry Merchant
There is a lot of truth in this. However, I think it also has to do with having such fast hands. Evander Holyfield was very similar in that respect; Basically, you're going to get hit more staying in the pocket, but you will also land a lot more as well. Both men are showing signs of CTE. Meldreck obviously a lot more so. It's very sad, but it's the cost of doing business a lot of times.
Chavez did not beat the prime out of Taylor.
The fight did. Chavez took as much damage but was more durable (could be for many reasons). The second fight should have never happened. He was physically and mentally shot.
@@a.m.m.4592so aka Chavez beat the prime out of Taylor..since he was part of the fight….
@a.m.m.4592 Taylor landed a lot of flashy "shoe shine" punches. Chavez was much more heavy handed, and he landed much harder, thuding shots, with his feet planted.
I met a former top ranked flyweight in a bar once. I was empathetic to the guy as he was struggling to hold a conversation. I thought he was drinking vodka on the rocks and offered to pay for his next drink. The bartender discreetly said he was drinking icewater, doesn’t drink alcohol but came in there just to socialize. I felt so bad for the guy because it sounded like boxing was all he knew and it ended up ruining him.
Brooo 😢
@littlemoo52 Yeah that happens. But you gotta know when to put it down and stop and do something else entirely. Become a coach to someone young you can inspire with words as an articulate person who can also analyze fights at a high level. There's no cure for CTE currently, but there are different kinds of therapy and meds that can help to bring back memory and sharpen the mind a little at a time.
@zaynes5094 there will never be a cure for CTE firstly and secondly cte can not be diagnosed until death
Bernard Hopkins?!
You remember his name?
Chavez vs Taylor 1 and 2 were some of the greatest fights in all of combat sports!
chavez destroyed him in 2. Taylor was not the same in that fight. He was still sharpe, but just couldnt absorb them punches like the first fight.
@@TheKcXiVChavez was just such a rough, tough son of a bitch. Harder than a coffin nail. His punches were hard enough to break bones and leave guys pissing blood for several days afterwards...
I can't imagine being on the wrong end of a Chavez beatdown is a whole lot of fun...
He beat Chavez in the 1st the 2nd was brutal he wasn't the same after the first fight
@@gdupkwin9676 nah beat beat the shit out of Taylor in the first fight look at him when he gets up he never let's go of the ropes and didn't answer the ref questions.
Were these 15 rounders?
If you guys haven't seen Meldrick since, he's gotten so much worse. Maybe, Richard Steele knew exactly what he was doing.
The last video I saw of Meldrick was about 10 years ago and it was already hard to understand him, very unfortunate. I think time has proven that Steele made the right choice that night
The fight should have been stopped much sooner. Richard Steele was basically black balled from then on. If you watch subsequent fights he officiated, the commentators harshly criticized everything he did and always brought up the “bad stoppage”.
@@Robzrx He didn't help himself with the early stoppage of Tyson/Ruddock 1 a couple of months afterwards, but what else was Steele going to do with Taylor who was asked twice, "Are you OK?" and never responded? The thing I find funny about the whole "Don King bought off Richard Steele" crap was Steele took a point away from Chaves for low blows against Frankie Randall which moved the scorecards from a draw to Chavez's first official loss. I guess King's check must have bounced.
@@danielhenderson8316 Good point, that nobody ever brings up when people talk about Steele being in King's pocket, that without the 2 point deductions Chavez wins the decision and preserves his unbeaten record, which was a major promotional angle (for Don King) during the end of his time as a major fighter. Worse, the second point deduction - in the 11th round - Chavez was winning the round, loses a point then charges after Randall trying to make amends and walks straight into tjhat big right hand that drops him for the first time in his career, making the round 10-8 or even 10-7, absolately pivotal moment.
Steele robbed Taylor of his moment sad
I saw it as a kid live and was so angry with Richard Steele for stopping it right before the final bell when Taylor was ahead on points. Years later it turns out Richard Steele was right and Taylor was completely finished after the 2 Chavez wars.
They fought a second time to give the doubters peace of mind
This was the first big fight I ever remember watching I was in 6th grade. So this got me kind of spoiled on boxing cuz this was one of the greatest fights of all time. The stoppage was a bad stoppage but later we would learn it was a Don King referee. And this is still going on today with Tony Weeks who recently stopped a fight in bizarre bizarre circumstances. I believe Taylor deserve to win that fight and what would have happened is he would have lost the rematch anyway because he took an incredible amount of punishment. JCC did as well but that guy was just built different. Probably the most durable lower weight fighter of all time.
yea, it took a few years for it to sink into american fans. u cant piss blood in the hospital for 2 weeks and think u won the fight
The last 2 ,3 seconds Taylor could have been killed do Mr Steele was totally right to stoped.
@@johnloa2009 that doesn't make any sense? Boxing's not scored on "damage".
I have all of Meldrick, Evander, Pernell fights from the 1984 Olympics and their careers on vhs
Lol why
Those tapes are going to snap if you ever try to watch them, get them transferred to digital. Or don’t, I get it’s cool to just have them.
You should see about getting those tapes digitized if you know they don’t exist anywhere else bro
That's a very nice collection, try to reserve it cause if you really have their entire run you might have footage that's extremely hard to find nowadays.
I am so jealous of that collection of Gold you have there.. please digitize it and put it online please
I boxed in military school. I had 4 fights. I was 3-1. I got knocked out my last fight. I remember that night in bed my head was throbbing. It was the worst headache I've ever had. I was 16 then I'm 41 now. I quit fighting after that and never regretted my decision. My grandpa boxed in the Army in the 1940's and he got me interested in boxing when I was a little kid.
When i boxed in 80’s we didn’t we headgear in spar session which were 3 times a week and 3 hours per night. I saw stars nightly for years
@@cherobinson6371 We were using 16oz gloves and head gear and I still got rocked by a rising hook to the side of my head. I was 6'3" then, and fighting someone 5'9". We were both 180lbs but he was much more solid. I never saw the punch coming.
@@iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053 Once upon a time back in the 70's there was this sparing partner paid to spar with a future WBC champion who would not let that future champ do any head hunting not one time. That future champ would get pissed and the dam world renowned trainer would get mad every sparing round. To this day that sparing partner doesn't have any brain issues.
I had five MMA fights and I went 4-1. Lost my first fight, didn’t get finished but it was a bad loss. Should have been stopped probably. I won four straight after that because I kind of knew now what to expect in a real fight. I think the first opponent o had was also probably the best fighter of the guys I faced. But now, I’m glad I stopped at five fights. I loved sparring so much that I know I would be messed up now.
You woulda lost a bunch of times after that. Better to quit while you’re ahead. You didn’t have it in ya.
Marianna's reaction was so organic. She immediately turned and grunted once she heard Meldrick
More people need to do that. There is total denial about CTE in MMA circles, even though we have countless examples of punch-drunk boxers. There will be a wave of visible CTE cases from MMA fighters soon: the Diaz brothers, McGregor, etc. They all already show signs of CTE and as Rogan says, it is progressive, with no cure.
"it's literally the most depressing thing.... Go ahead bring that up" 😂😂😂😂😂
Great great fighter out of Philadelphia. He just ran into the GOAT and now is paying the ultimate price. That HBO special is really good.
Chavez is not the goat.
@@txmade4371 Says you?
Legendary Nights Chavez vs Taylor was awesome and heartbreaking.
@@txmade4371Chavez the 🐐
@@excerritosresident says anyone that knows boxing
That friend is brandan shaub 😂😂
Real question why won't he say his name funny part he didn't call him a comedian 😂😂😂😂😂
He legit is talking about Schaub, he’s said before.
Ok, I I thought it may have been the Ice Man Chuck Liddell
Didn't Rogan tell him that he wasn't good enough to be world champ, and that's why Shaub was mad at him. Rogan was right though.
No it’s actually Larry David…
Its not the knockouts that mess your brain up. Its the accumulation of punches
Yeah, imagine being punched in the dome 80,90 times in just one night. Not counting sparrings.
the sparing does it, headgear prevents bruises and cuts but the brain still getting bounced around. Meldrick prob sparred 1000s of rds along with Terry Norris
@@mgoogleuser8011 The purpose and point of the head gear is to stop your brain from moving around
@@extacyl6926It’s not, in fact new studies show the opposite, that’s the reason Olympic boxing has phased headgear out.
how in the hell do you think headgear(that you wear on the OUTSIDE of your head)somehow stops your brain from slamming around inside of your skull when you take a hard shot? Headgear does NOT prevent concussions or the compounding trauma that leads to CTE in the slightest……it’s only job is to help protect against cuts,bruises,hematomas,ect.
If Joe was a good friend he would tell his “ friend “ to stop with the standup too it’s also only getting worse 😅😂😂😂
Oh its true, it's dam true!
Kurt Angle
Says everything that Joe when asked what he does ONLY says podcasting. 😂😂🤣
Joe must have said something that triggered you.
I know his not funny but Hans Kim is not funny either and he performs at the mothership
@@alex-pn1wg You "know?" I don't mean to burst your bubble, but humor is subjective. I do know, that's a new word for you.
Richard Steele saved Taylor’s life, Chavez landing one more right hand in those last 2 seconds could’ve been catastrophic.
No he ruined his career Taylor deserved the win he fought his heart out 2 seconds left Chavez couldn't do anything in that time bell would've saved him
@@user-yb6cz1id7z used the ropes to get back on his feet and leaned on them while Steele was counting, another route Steele could’ve taken was asking Taylor to walk forward like any other ref would’ve and Taylor would have collapsed. A W or L is absolutely meaningless in this instance, Chavez wasn’t landing scoring shots, he was landing life changing damage.
@MaybachSniper Dude stop it by the time Chavez got to him the bell would've rang only 2 seconds he. was about to be the first guy to beat Chavez you know who's fault it really is Lou Duva who got up on the ring apron and Meldrick took his eyes off the ref to look over at Duva that's when Steele waved it off watch the tape.
@MaybachSniper Spoken like a true Chavez fan Taylor won the fight and was robbed of a victory by Richard Steele a guy who had a history of stopping fights prematurely Meldrick dominated Chavez for most of the fight with his speed and quickness
@@user-yb6cz1id7z you never boxed before in your life, the day you do you’re going to find out It’s not a scoring game especially if you box someone with any power that can inflict permanent damage.
I remember when this fight was made I wasn't too optimistic that JCC would win. That's how good Meldrick was. He had amazing hand-speed and good power. If it wasn't for Julio's Mt. Rushmore granite chin, he gets KO'ed. Taylor won the majority of the rounds but the punches Julio landed, especially to the body were devastating. Joe is right, Taylor was never the same. Same could be said of Edwin Rosario after he fought Julio.
I always wondered how much better Julio woulda been if he didn't do drugs and drink alcohol throughout all his career
@@universalpowder1682 Man, we'll never really no, but I bet he would have been even more special. He started partying hard before he even touched his prime. Same thing happened to Tyson.
Meldrick was beaten up for bad in the first Chavez fight!! I mean, at the end of the fight his face was beaten and his eyes were barley open. It's like Larry Merchant said in the fight when he asked Angelo Dundee about Julio Cesar Chavez. He said he is the toughest fighter he's ever seen. Tougher than Marciano or Duran!! The Toughest!!
Chavez was born with an abnormally thick skull. That's a documented fact from a Sports Illustrated article titled "Bearing The Burden" from February 1993. Look it up, paragraph seven. His then trainer spilled the beans on all of that. They did a cat scan on his skull proving it. It was already an urban legend in his country prior to the article. That's how Chavez was able to take the type of punches he did throughout his career. It was the main key to his durability. Chavez wasn't tough when he was given an advantage like that from birth.
learn to write in English before you post anything. you make yourself look like one of these fighters who got hit too many times..
@@canibusnj
So why wasn’t his skin busted or bruised ? Black people have fast twitch muscle fibers. That’s a big advantage over other races.
@@Fleecejonhson Chavez also had tough skin as well. He had an abnormally thick skull is probably why he didn't bruise, Mr. troll.
@@Fleecejonhson Listen, Chavez closed the show........ and he had to go to the depths of hell to do it. :) It's the closes he's been to death as he has always said about that fight. That's how exhausted he was. He said he wanted to vomit, but he had to hold it in becuase if he didn't he would have had a stroke and died. That is almost his exact words ver batim.
I got a black belt as a kid and always trained my hands on my own. At 17 I decided I wanted to fight pro (kickboxing)….there was no mma yet (I’m joes age). Started sparring with some world class boxers. Did fine but most nights I went home with brain fog. Couple times didn’t remember driving home. My coach at the time told me it happens to everyone in the beginning and it will go away. I said fuck it and dropped the dream. Will never know if it was a mistake or not. You only get one chance.
I tried to get into the amateur circuit and it def wasn't worth it. Even on good nights you still take ALOT of damage, pull something, band something against the canvas, and everything just hurts. At the time the UFC CHAMPIONS were only making 500k-1mil a fight and most people on undercard were making like 15-20 k and I'm like yea this just isn't worth the damage I've already done to myself
In their first fight
People said when Chavez would hit Taylor you can hear the pops throughout the arena
Bone chattering hits
Taylor drank 2 liters of his own blood ..dudes body and face was wrecked..wasn’t the same after that
Yeah,.. and it's a good possibility his gloves were loaded. Fighters faces don't swell up that fast in a fight from short inside punches.
@@canibusnj. Come on man...
Loaded gloves , cheating Julio Cesar Margarito
@@canibusnjlmfao stop
@@canibusnjlol 🤣 Chavez is not Margarito different type of boxers
I can see it in Frankie Edgar. It’s the gaze.
That's why I was so happy that vernando Vargas retired at 29. What makes me happy was it was his decision.
And due to his style , even though he retired at 29 , he has a good amount of punchdrunk to him
@@rcc5547 he didn't get protected. His career was front loaded. He got used by the Garcia's.
Too quick too fast for Fernando. Had no business fighting Trinidad so soon.@@mctasty6094
@@mctasty6094no!
They didn’t want Vargas to fight Trinidad since he was 28 and more experience with power. Vargas pressed his team to make that fight. I believe he was only 21,22. That’s the fight that ruined him, he wasn’t the same afterwards.
I can't even front, watching the videos of folks suffering from these kinds of injuries truly brings tears to my eyes. My heart breaks for them. It's not pity or the like, it's just compassion. I truly wish the best for everyone.
Chavez was just a beast. Went 632 rounds. And and normal but I feel bad for Taylor. It's sad.
That interview they pulled up of Taylor slurring really bad, was over 20 years ago. I can only imagine how bad he is now. This is whats happening to James Toney as well, you can barely understand him
James Tony is bad , ridick bowe is awful also
Tommy Hearns and Evander Holyfield both also speak really slow nowadays
@@fernandomaron87 Pretty sure Hearns has already passed away
@@kardiackids1435No he hasn’t yet.
@@kardiackids1435 Google is free. Fuckin idiot. Lol
Hearing Steele saying meldrick threw more punches than Chavez, but Chavez punches were more punishing as the fight progressed.....two masterclass boxers going all out until the last second
I remember post 1st fight, Taylor's face was so battered.
The comment that Medrick Taylor "kept getting knocked out" is not true.
He was stopped 3 times in 20 fights after that first Chavez fight but won 14 more fights.
Umm he is right buddy. All because you don't get stopped every fight doesn't mean you dont keep getting knocked out
Getting stopped THREE times is a lot. Especially for an ex champion.
@@uncletony6210 Really? Like tommy Hearns who was stopped 3 times before age 30?
Taylor did not even lose in his first 25 fights. His 3 stoppages came against Chavez 2X and against a bigger Terry Norris.
So what is your point? He was not stopped a lot and never stopped against mediocre competition. So it is bullcrap that he was some shot fighter who could not take a punch.
@@joeblow2069 He got stopped 3 times in 6 fights over the course of two years. That's a LOT, meaning not-good-for-the-brain and time to hang it up. Maybe if he had, he wouldn't talk they way he talks. That was my point. That required explanation?
@@joeblow2069 Was stopped by Espana, also, to lose his Welter title. I wouldn't call Espana mediocre, exactly but he was way off Chavez and Norris, so it was worrying seeing him knock Taylor around the ring.
Just imagine what Arturo Gattis brain would have been like if he was still alive. (R.I.P.)
Fuck i know took he took so much punishment
I’ve always wondered about that…
Maybe, but from what I've seen Micky Ward still has all his faculties and he was in some wars too.
@@debneter Micky Ward himself has stated that he suffers ill effects from all the wars he’s been in… what are you talking about?
Yes he did, but he stated it without slurring his words and the fact that he is aware of it is a good sign. Some guys get it worse than others. @@Gus375 th-cam.com/video/9uyuG0Yxuwk/w-d-xo.html
Notice how Joe don’t refer to Shaub as a comedian……just a podcaster 😂😂😂
This video should allow people to see why Floyd Mayweather fought the way he fought.
jab jab and run jab jab and run
No he fought that way cause he broke his hands early on and he hardly had power in his hands so he rather win by points instead of breaking his hands again
@@APOCALYPSE2385_ I agree. Broken hands definitely helped Floyd adopt the style he did. He definitely became more defensive minded.
Thats not excuse for being running in a combat sport😂
Floyd fought the way he fought cause he NEVER was in the same caliber as legendary hof fighters and that's that.
Taylor got screwed over so badly in the first fight.
He definitely did, however the post fight effects would have still been there. He may have won the fight had it not been stopped but the beating he took was ruthless.
unresponsive during mandatory awareness test and his eyes were so swollen he couldn't see steele motioning him to put hands up and step forward he looked listless and out of it and in no shape to continue great stoppage and in no way was meldrick screwed
Here is the official report after the Chavez Taylor fight. Chavez literally beat the prime out of Taylor that night. Very sad that we was still allowed to box after this. "Dr. Flip Homansky, who examined Taylor following the fight and immediately sent him to the hospital, summarized his injuries by saying "Meldrick suffered a facial fracture, he was urinating pure blood, and his face was grotesquely swollen. This was a kid who was truly beaten up to the face, the body, and the brain". Taylor also showed signs of disorientation and short-term memory loss common to head injuries and concussions. His symptoms were apparent in the post-fight interview with boxing commentator Larry Merchant, where Taylor insisted that Steele had ended the bout without giving him a count or asking if he was OK until he was shown a replay of events."
Let‘s all wait on the aftermath of the Power Slap fights.
💯🤣😂
Watch Mosley vs Mayorga Two seconds is more than enough time for Chavez to deliver one more blow which could’ve resulted in even more Damage to Taylor. Good stoppage from the ref.
How can producers get away with not having clips available
It wasn't Chavez that finished Meldrick Taylor. He put the first crack in the armor, but after Chavez Taylor went to 147 and became the WBA Welterweight Champion and defended the belt 3 times. It was fighting Terry Norris at 150 that doomed the rest of Taylor's career with a brutal KO in Round 4 and followed up with another heavy KO against Chrisanto Espana. Once he got stopped in the 6th or 7th against Chavez in their 2nd fight, he was done as a fighter.
The reason taylor ended up how he did is complicated. First off, the infamous Philly gym wars - sparring that resemble actual fights. Second, although Taylor was super fast and flashy his defence was not great. Chavez was hitting him clean and often from the first bell and his face was already showing the damage by round 2. Thirdly, his defeats were pretty bad ones, not close decison losses or anything of that nature. The Chavez loss he took a LOT of sustained punishment, even if the judges had him winning rounds.He was clearly fatigued late in the fight and with exhaustion the punches are more telling. Also, the fight was brutal. Chavez is one of the best and toughest fighters of all time but he's said that coming out for the 12th he felt like he couldn't go on, he was that exhausted. I think his corner were telling him to "do it for your family!" between the 11th and 12th. Throw in that Taylor was 17 when he won Olympic Gold and was fighting solid opposition shortly after turning pro, as a teenager.
The Norris fight defintely added to Taylor's troubles as he was getting teed off on by a bigger, hard puncher, even if the fight didn't go long. I remeber when Taylor fought Espana, a tough but ordinary fighter, he looked shot at that point, which is an indicator (at his age, maybe 25-26?) that he'd been affected by his career. Genetics has a part to play too. Some people can get hit in the head for years and appear OK, other take less punishment and develop issues.
Regardless, it's horrible how Taylor has ended up.
@@johnniea4684thank you for the extra information, guys.
I also remember his corner telling him to do it for Mexico too. @@johnniea4684
The IBF actually ordered an immediate rematch which Chavez invited, but Taylor declined and moved up instead.
@@californio1850 That's true, although I'm certain that decision was made by the Duvas, Taylor's handlers. I feel they thought (correctly, as it turned out) that Chavez would be less effective at Welterweight. Pernell Whitaker, another Duva fighter didn't hang around long at 140, after vacating his Lightweight titles, but immediately jumped up to 147 to await a Chavez fight.
Guy from my gym was flown out to spar with Taylor in the early 90’s. Supposedly earned $2,500 a week.
I've boxed for years, as an amateur and later as a professional, and thank God, I've remained healthy with no signs of permanent injury, but in my years in this sport, I've been around fighters that sounded just like Taylor, and they were still fighting...still training, still sparring, doing it all, and then you've got these combat sports fans (so called) who won't give a boxer any credit, they'll call it pillow fighting, and completely minimize what these athletes go through. They've sacrificed everything. They've bled, they've cried, they've given every ounce of everything they have. It makes my heart ache. Joe Rogan has a heart for fighters. Thank you, Joe.
“I told him on a podcast”
I’d be mad as well smh
Pichard colon's is that the saddest. Referee annd Williams don't go to PR or MX.
That fight was criminal
Got hit in the back of head
Julio Cesar Chavez was a brutal iron chin beast
Should’ve shown Wilfred Benitez and Gerald McClellan for even sadder results.
Gerald McClellan incident still makes me cry out of anger to this day. The back of the head shots were clear as day but since he was in the uk the ref didn’t want to give the American a fair fight and allowed benn to keep hitting behind the head.
The condition of Benitez today is unbelievable.
@@hoosiernative9668 The French referee couldn't even speak English. Gerald took at least 50 punches from Benn behind the head.
Doctors said Taylor had injuries similar to those involved in a major car accident.
It’s not one fight , it’s the endless gym wars.
After watching this after the Spence Crawford fight …… Spence needs to cut his losses and retire before he ends up like this.
He lost one fight relax bro😂💯
@@TooSharpENT one big big big fight badly
@@TooSharpENTthat was a career/life changing ass whoopin
@@TooSharpENT
So did Taylor
@@FleecejonhsonHe was fine after Chavez, it was Terrible Terry Norris who did him in.
He wasn’t knocked out Richard steel had no business stopping that fight with 2 seconds left! Like 2 seconds was going to make a difference
It did
What a ignorant comment, it makes a huge difference when you’re already out on your feet and the guy can land another hit, you are one of the stupid fans joes talking about on the vid
Kenny Norton started to show signs in his guest spot on the A-Team.....that was a few years before the car wreck that almost killed him
Joe explains who the doctor is in the video like he knew but was just repeating what he heard lol
Taylor was one of toughest boxer ever - His problem was that he found JC Chavez on his quest - Our champion was made of a mixture of a relentless desire to win - Outstanding steel jaw - Amazing boxing skills - A dodging defense that only few could have - PLUS, the Warrior Mexican Proud - You can't beat this all together!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Pernell did.
@@uncletony6210Father time
@@GuerreroDelInfo Chavez was only 30 and coming off one of his most impressive wins just a few mos earlier when he annihilated Greg Haugen. He lost to Whitaker because he fought an undisciplined and impatient fight, i.e., trying to knock Pernell out with EVERY punch, and because Pernell was simply better. NOTHING to do with Father time, or Uncle time, or Cousin time.
@@uncletony6210 He was 31, Whitaker 29. The fight was up at Welterweight and Chavez NEVER beat a significant opponent at 147. Although he was a bit taller than Whitaker, Chavez could not handle the extra weight, he just reached the limits as much of his game was being able to impose himself physically on the opponent and that is just harder to do as you move up the divisions. Whitaker's style was all about hit and not be hit, outboxing and being elusive and despite starting at 135 he was able to handle the extra opponent size much better, even winning a title at 154. In terms of wear and tear, although there was only 2 years difference, Whitaker was a lot fresher than Chavez. The latter's aggressive style aged him faster, plus he was dealing with injuries (bad right hand, ankle, back problems) even before the first Taylor fight. He'd even been talking about retiring due to physical issues before 1990. Throw in the known fact that by 1993 Chavez was leading an indisciplined lifestyle (booze, possibly recreational drugs, slack training camps) and he wasn't the same guy he'd been a few years earlier. Was still a close fight and personally I believe Chavez beats Whitaker at 135 or 140.
@@johnniea4684 The fight was at welter but at a catch-weight, i.e., 145, and Chavez came in at 142. I followed JC's career and I don't recall him ever mentioning the R-word at any time prior to the Whitaker fight; not to say it didn't happen, or that it matters. My take on the fight is this: Before the Haugen fight, JC worked with Mike Tyson who showed him how to "get his body into his punches," and it worked. JC's stoppage of Haugen was brutal, Tyson-like, and unlike any version of JC we had seen before. I think JC took confidence from that win, and, NOT wanting to wait until round 12, 2:58 to beat Pernell, decided to "take care of business early." You will note, that prior to 93, with few exceptions (e.g., Mayweather I), Chavez always let the fight "come to him," and in that regard, was always considered a "slow starter." However, against, Whitaker, it was clear that there were KO-intentions with EVERY punch from the opening bell. NOT the best strategy against a guy who was, and still is, arguably the best defensive fighter OAT. And because 90% of those punches were missing, Chavez tired by mid-fight; the rest is history. Lastly, regarding "slack training camps," I would argue that JC came in with perhaps his most impressive physique for the Whitaker fight, and certainly his best shape since Taylor. 142 lbs of solid muscle, no fat. He was not taking Pernell lightly, but I think he overestimated his own abilities, and in so doing, abandoned a fight plan that had worked in his favor for 13 years.
With two seconds left the damage was already down. Richard Steele robbed that man of his legacy. He wouldve been the first to officially defeat Chavez
I agree, Taylor would’ve won that bout on two scorecards. That would’ve been a career changing victory. Poor guy lost to the referee not his opponent
What part of "he was beaten unresponsive to the ref with time on the clock" is hard to understand? That's the definition of a TKO.
Meldrick Taylor Should Have Been Allowed To Finish The 1st Fight With JCC.
It’s funny, at 4:30 joe is literally talking to jamie telling him how to search for stuff on TH-cam
Only go into fighting if you don't have any brain cells to lose. Shoutout to the Diaz bros
2:00 clearly 😂
TRULY SAD..... REMEMBER WATCHING THAT BEST FIGHT EVER
Yeah this was and is such a sad situation. A ref isn’t looking at the clock when he’s stopping a fight, he’s looking at the fighters safety and health. I feel like Holyfield has a little of this now.
I've been realizing Holyfield's blurred speech for years, i don't have idea how his team let him face Victor Belfort a couple of years ago. Tommy Hearns also sounds really slow nowadays.
@@fernandomaron87 yeah man! Head shots add up. That’s why I’m a lot cases boxing is worse than mma. The amount of head shot with the size glove they use adds up man.
We love u meldrick God bless you and all the warriors he literally give they're life i write with a tear in my eye junior jones is from my hood i have soo much admiration for these warriors GOD BLESS EVERYONE OF YOU
My Father boxed in the Military in the late 40" and early 50's , He trained fighters in the 60's and promoted boxing in the 70's thru the late 90's. He taught my brother and I how to fight on the professional level but didnot want us to fight as pro as a career choice. He said when he dies and we go to his funeral we would understand why. The old fighters we grew up and knew where so beat to shit and messed up for the rest of their lives it totally made sense. Toughest sport in the world. I think UFC is even tougher.
Yea imaginen getting kicked in the face
The thing about boxing is that people have already died in the ring before, unfortunate. I'm not so informed about MMA but as far as I know I don't think anyone has died in the octagon before
It's the HARDEST thing in the world!!! To tell a guy to STOP doing what he LOVES more than LIFE!!...Literally.
James Lights Out Toney comes to mind.
Joe has realized he fucked up by convincing Brendan Schaub to stop MMA and become a comedian because he called him a podcaster and not a comedian haha.
Joe needs better friends
tremendous fighter Meldrick Taylor - very strange stoppage with only 2 seconds left.
not strange at all. If taylor would have fallen in the middle of the ring, he would not have been able to get up
He got clapped 🤨
He was out son, the ref saw him gone, he was in anoyher dimension
CTE doesnt agreed with that
yea he got lucky, he almost got killed with that right punch.
The way many of the faces of JCC opponents looked after fights had all the hallmarks of cheating. Never trusted Don King and JCC’s team.
As a Mexican I can tell you. ALLLLL of Mexico was afraid of Meldrick Taylor going into that fight with Chavez. We knew what Chavez was about, but Taylor was technically on another level. He was destined for greatness and even outclassed Chavez throughout a lot of that fight. Taylor was cruising to a relatively easy victory when BOOM, Chavez channeled some Aztec magic or something because he laid out Taylor...pretty much for life. Dear Lord
Chavez landed less punches but most power punches
True. Especially in that final round @@JJ-rb3ss
I wouldn't call it cruising. He was getting systematically beaten down and looked in a bad state in the corner prior to the round.
I take your point. When I say cruising I meant in the scorecards. Yes, he'd been getting hit with big shots here and there but Taylor would have won that fight comfortably if it weren't for the miracle at the end@@jamesa6494
"What does he do now?"
"He's the worst comedian in the history of comedy."
Mariana:"clearly"...😂 Nailed it....
Felicidades lograstes llamar la atencion con el titulo del video ... q sigue ahora?
We know about concussions and how they relate to CTE but the jury is still out on the effect of sub-concussive blows and how they lead to CTE
What a fight that was
Julio talked about that fight in an interview, said it was the toughest fight he ever had. Said he thought he was going to die, no joke that was a tough fight for both men.
Exactly why these new slap competitions are insane
Fights are only for the audience, never forget that the contenders will achieve a short lived victory, but pay a long-term price. These are just the stories that you hear about there’s many many more that you don’t because the fighters are not as well-known.
A good friend of was a professional athlete for almost 10 years. We are both 69 now and he is suffering with CTE he has lost short term memory and repeats the things he does remember. There is some CTE treatment with oxygen chambers at about 44 or more sessions. It helped Joe Namith get better. There are other trials going on now that work with MRI guided focused sound wave treatments to the damaged areas of the brain. It also helps with dementia and drug addiction. I expect FDA approval for CTE within the next five years. My buddy's wife is having a hard time watching him suffer. Hold on champ we're coming for you!
That’s how Gervonta Davis is starting to talk
I was very lucky when I boxed, never got knocked out but came close once. I dont remember 2 weeks prior to the fight, and the 3 weeks after were hazy.
I ran into Terry Norris in the early 2000s, and the damage was already evident back then.
I had a similar situation when I first started boxing, I had to spar at a partner gym and ended up getting my brain shook by a guy that had like 10 years of fighting experience. I couldn’t lift my head for like day nor could took take eye contact from bright light . I stopped soon after.
Terry Norris is same. He was a great champ who trained out of San Diego.
My first boxing trainer in México, Mr. Rafa Garandilla fought Salvador Sánchez, Ruben Olivares and Chapo Rosario to name a few. I remember when I first met him, I thought he was drunk, but then I realized that was the way he spoke. Now I realized he was already punch drunk since then, that was in 2009.
Know your strengths, but most importantly know your weaknesses. You have to understand when to just step back...😔 to just look out for you. Man 😒
Meldrick’s problem was he loved to fight more than box. He was as gifted a boxer as I’ve ever seen. His combination punching was unbelievable. He just loved to mix it up and it took a heavy toll on his body.
You can also blame the greedy managers and promoters who refuse to tell these guys they need to quit.
Riddick Bowe was never the same after the Golota rematch as well 🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊
Remember you get KO you get punch in the face area but when you hit the mat it’s the back of you head and that’s the brutal part
She just in listen mode lol
One of the best fights I’ve ever seen. I felt bad for Taylor cause that one fight destroyed his whole career
Not at all. He became welterweight champion after that loss, it was the ko to Terry Norris that really broke him as a fighter.
I worked with Meldrick Taylor briefly in Philly on business outside the ring. His brother Myron was a slip, stick n' move phenom from a long lineage of Philly boxing legends. Check out the doc "The Executioners" (produced by boxer Dannon Green on Tubi), a boxing club based in West Philly. But CTE is a mutha.
The damage Meldrick Taylor took in the first Chavez fight might be the worst i've ever seen in a single fight.
Bobby Chacon before his passing was also pretty sad to see.
Yes it was. The first Chacon and Bazooka Limon fight was one of the best I ever saw. They fought four times. Those fights alone probably caused considerable brain damage.
That’s what Richard Steel said. Nobody had a better view. He was taking a lot of hard shots.
I’ve never been knocked out, but I can’t form sentences
2:01 “I mean clearly..” daaaaaaamn Rogan.
Chavez was the kinda fighter that unless you don’t get hit by him you will suffer permanently after the match. Doesn’t matter if you win rounds against him, he’s hard a guy who throws a harder punch.
Rogen should've told Branden Shaloub to STOP a lot earlier. Infact, Brenda should've not done ufc to begin with LMAO
I heard that a sparring partner in kickboxing, was slurring his speech, in high school. The fighter was using the top of his head, to take punches. Another gym had a high level fighter get hit, and had short term memory loss for over 3 months. Eventually he got it back, but you have to train alot, to really have the necessary reflexes.
One time, I took a shot, and when I went down, saw a Andy Capp black and white video flash by. I do not know how that got there.
One of the saddest aspects of all combat sports. Many men hard tough ass men were brought to their knees after a lifetime of head hits. Dam shame. Mad respect to them all.
What's so sad about it?... nobody told them to fight. It was their decision.
I think you mean hilarious. None of them were that brilliant to begin with, obviously.
The same thing happened to Riddick Bowe
Huh…imagine that…getting hit in the head thousands of times leads to brain damage
I don’t know what fight you saw meldrick Taylor won every round but of course the fix came in with 2 seconds left
I been in pro boxing for 35: years had 2 world champions and 6 title changers I remember another fighter at the time who was undefeated and there was talk about him fighting my fighter Adrian Stone and he had a tune up fight live of USA boxing network and he got KO he never fought again I hope he is doing well His name was Michael Covington from Trenton. Another fighter Freddy Cardenas same thing
2:30 Julio y Taylor 5:34 efectos