In 2024 512gb is pretty low still, kind of like "this 300 sqft apartement is only slightly more spacious than this 150 sqft one", yes it's double, but it isn't that much bigger in absolute terms.
These laptops are targeted for students. Most students do everything in the cloud now. I had 128gb MacBook Air for the last 9 years and it just didn’t matter. I never stored anything on it. It was a machine for word processing, watching TH-cam, and managing my fantasy football teams. I even had a couple old games from my childhood on it, but they were sub 1gb programs. Remember when devs used to optimize games?
@@BalintCsala I would argue that when dealing with really small spaces (or Ram) it matters way more than when dealing with devices that both have enough.
To be fair, it should be noted that one was cheap cause it was old, and the other was cheap cause it was cheap.... Technically, the Mac was a premium $1000 product that's being sold for $600.....
@@aarspar But are there a lot in stores ? Or even at all ? Because that's the thing, I usually only find current and possibly last gen products when I go to stores. Or when there are older PC, there is barely any discount on them, they're just traps for unaware customers. I don't live in the US and never go to Walmart, so maybe things are different there, but I wouldn't be surprised if this Macbook was actually one of the good value proposition compared to what's on their shelves.
@@hectorvivis3651 Same here; I don't live in the US, so I can't say for them. Where I'm from, many Walmart-like big stores also sell older, last gen products alongside the newest ones, maybe to also clear out old stocks. Or maybe they can also browse up on Amazon or something. I would imagine it's almost the same thing in the US--I mean I'm pretty sure they're more tech-savvy about buying stuff online.
Give the M1 MacBook another 3 years, find out that's your last OS update. Maybe OpenCore Legacy Patcher will take this on.... Maybe Ashi Linux will mature by then. Yes, sure, for most an out dated OS isn't a big deal, iPhone/iPad development it is.. I use an M1 Mac mini 256GB/16GB, and other than 3D rendering, I've been happy with it. Its never felt slow, even with 4k video editing. Add in Geforce Now / Xbox XCloud and I can sorta make ways with gaming. There is also Apple Arcade.. well kinda
@@phatslatesbecause it is exhausting. I groan every time I needed to use a traditional diving board trackpad on my work laptop when demoing to clients. With Mac trackpads, it just feels effortless. Your fingers just glide through the glass and the pressure required is perfectly calibrated. You can also press anywhere in the trackpad to generate a click and not hunt the specific area that you need to click “correctly” like you need to with most windows laptops. In fact, diving board trackpads are so bad that I associate Windows Laptops with them as requiring a mouse to be useable as a bare minimum.
How long will there be OS updates for both of the "new" laptops? I am afraid, Apple will support the M1 Macbook Air only for a few more years, I expects Windows for at least 10 years.
I think you might depend on the model.I'm afraid probably those twenty nineteen macBook, intels won't be supported along. I think so far, they only get six years of up dates, whereas windows could go a lot longer. I still have a twenty twelve macbook that boots with windows. Macos is no longer able to update. But windows on mac still is updated with windows ten.
Nah you'll be fine if you're concerned with the Mac not getting security updates because you get "minimum" 6 years of updates with a Mac and 3 years of security updates of the OS you're on. That's 9 years
@@fantasypvp Bit different to compare Windows to macOS, which gets a named upgrade every year. Windows gets a new named release every 5-6 years these days.
I go the M1 MacBook Air recently costing almost the same as an iPhone 14 and it's been amazing. It never requires being shut down, the battery lasts 2/3 days easily and my primary reason for choosing it over the Pro was the beautiful Rose Gold color which I appreciate all the time.
@@thekwoka4707 I didn’t dare to run ML projects in it. I have shifted to Google Colab for now. But yeah, this way just for that beautiful Rose Gold color, honestly. My older Windows laptop has no resale value and so I’ve kept it with me. I’ll run those in them, if required 😅
@@vedanshchn nobody forces you to buy anything, but manufacturing short lifespan devices should be frowned upon in this day and age. Plus I really don't get your inventory problem with other manufacturers
i mean, if they always were on a comparable price range like this, then yeah i would consider Apple products the lack of memory both RAM & Storage, is still pretty pathetic & only justifiable for Ali express Chromebooks
Looks like an iridescent coating; the colour depends upon the angle to the light, so as the camera moves it can change. Yep, that's a guess but as I have seen iridescent straws it's probably not a bad one.
The M1 Air is the best computer I've ever owned. Not the most powerful, and by a long shot. But definitely the best computer. Probably my best tech purchase.
Comparing macs and pcs has always been a pretty furile excercise, as they respond to 2 different kind of users. I know no Windows person that'd get an equivalent mac, even at a lower price. Same on the mac stide (of which I'm a part of).
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I just bought a MacBook Air M1 this weekend. I visited the mall and looked at many models from Lenovo, Samsung, Dell, etc. I could not bring myself to buy one of those frail pieces of plastic. I know 8GB is a joke, but you don't touch the RAM while using the computer. If the laptop is fast enough, let it use swap! When Apple released the M1 Air back in 2020, a lot of people said that swap usage would degrade the lifetime of the unswappable SSD. Four your ahead, did it happen?
I buy a lot of macs for our company. the certified reseller told me, that the M1 8GB is still being manufactured by apple but sold only for "developing markets". Like my country (Poland). You can't get M1 with 16GB anymore. You'd need to upgrade to M2 one.
As a sucker who has to use a HP pavilion for work.. I FLIPPING HATE IT!!! The fans are constantly on while i work. Its slow and gets overloaded from just using a browser with 10 tabs and vscode remote session so im not even locally executing code... Dont even get me started on battery life and heat... I've been begging this evil corp that i work for to let me buy my own macbook and let them adopt it.. But nope.. Evil corp wants me to keep producing while forcing me to work with SH!"#
My M1 MacBook Air is my favorite laptop...but I basically use it like a Chromebook. I just can't get used to MacOS after all these years, and I'm sad I can't run Windows natively without a subscription. And the external monitor situation is a super bummer. Would have expected someone would have gotten an eGPU working by now.
M1 MacBooks are still incredible in 2024, and probably will remain amazing for 99% of users for another 2-3 years (which is about the average "full" support cycle for Apple products). Definitely still worth it!
i disagree. i love apple products. I own a macbook m3 pro, iphone 15, airpods pro 2, but unless you REAAAAALLY CARED about the apple ecosystem features so much that you would trade performance for it, i would recomment the hp at those prices.
Sys admin here, love my m1 MacBook air. Primary for the battery life, display, speakers and build. If i need anything with power, i just remote into my home server or desktop. Otherwise i can toss my MacBook air in my backpack and charge it with any potato with USB c.
When the M1 Macs came out i was studying for my bachelor. My 16'' Zephyrus for some reason after a windows update started spinning the fans extremely fast and turned off never to be turned on again (repairs said that motherboard got cooked most likely after a faulty update) so i had to get an emergency laptop the same day - M1 MacBook Air. That little son of a bitch carrier my through 2 years of drafting and graphic design while in auditorium without available outlets, before i got the 16'' MBP. That little laptop is amazing.
Short answer: No Long answer: Only for tasking and apps that have also been optimized for macOS. Other than browsing and schoolwork, there is a high chance that you are better off with a windows laptop. Furthermore, Macs function the same when not connected to power. So, if you find yourself on the go more likely than not, then they are a comparable choice. [Edit: just to let anyone know who has read this, I have not even watched the video yet and these are just my personal findings from what I have seen/heard in general regarding Macs vs Windows computers. But, since this counts pretty much 99% of the time, I still found it appropriate to leave this comment here.]
i'm using that exact Macbook Air (just 8core gpu instead of 6) for work since 2021... no issues so far! battery still last all day.... only 1 thing was to buy this with 16GB for a VM for Windows for IT stuff... other than that still a perfect laptop for everything!
I dont think I've had a computer - Macs included - with 8GB in at least a dozen years. My oldest 2 Macs, a 2014 Mac mini and 2017 Macbook 12", both have an un-upgradeable 16GB. Even my pathetic work issued HP Elitebook 835 has 16GB. The single external display limitation is also brutal.
small ram, frequently used swap memory which is slowly degrade ssd, also small ssd 256gb which is smaller TBW. one day those ssd gonnal fail, your data gone, and goodluck replacing those soldered macbook ssd.
I could probably live with base M1 for things I currently use my iPad for - mostly content consumption. Maybe at a push I could do some work on it, but as an IT pro in Microsoft land I think the 8GB RAM would quickly be an issue. Can it even handle a Teams (that app sucks in every way) meeting? But I could never love it, because I would know the storage and RAM are underspecced, and if I'd got 16/512 it would suddenly be a 'do everything' device. Frankly, it was under specced in 2020.
When Apple offers an iMac for less than 1500€ with 16GB RAM and 1TB of storage i'm buying one (or several). Until then the base specs are definitely overpriced, I ain't about to drop 230€ on 8GB of ram LOL
A “new laptop” that came out almost 5 years ago with a couple of years of software support to go. What are you talking about sir? How could u recommend buying this?
I recommended this for a friend who exclusively uses the browser. 8gb is definitely not enough for someone who cries “my tabs!” when the computer crashes. If you’ve got good tab hygiene then you can probably make it work… but if you’re visiting ad-riddled blogs all day, do not buy.
you're comparing two netbooks, it mostly comes down to whether you tolerate mac or not if you want to compare mac vs pc grab a studio and 9950X but personally even on a thin and light I wouldn't go below 64 gigs of RAM, otherwise it won't be any useful in case of emergency, and in any other case it won't be useful anyway
I don't see the "the macbook is an overall better package" you referred to a couple times. Apart from the battery and higher end build quality, I don't agree at all.
When people buy a m1 MacBook with 8gb then decide they want to run chrome with 100 plus tabs while rendering a 3d model in blender watching TH-cam and say oh it’s slow. People need to buy laptops to suit their use case and not just ah MacBook 1000 bucks it will do everything!
Right now I am living with a 2011 MacBook Air, so I think I could live with the M1 MacBook Air, but I hear Linux sucks on the Apple chips right now, my old Intel mac doesn't have an issue running Linux, Windows or OSX, though the versions of Windows it supports are old I sort of doubt there are Windows 10 drivers for it, and when using Opencore to run modern versions of MacOS it is slow as anything so practically, I guess it is Linux only as that is the only way to get snappy performance out of 4gb and a dual core sandy bridge.
The M1 is now almost 4 years old. But I stil don’t see a reason to upgrade from it. I bought the MBP 13 inch at launch and it does all I need it to do. Even some casual games. (More serious gaming is some best done on a desktop pc any ways, so yes I mostly game there on a nice big HDR display). The battery life is still absurdly great at more than 15 hours at about 87% of capacity. I can see this easily being a 7 year full use laptop, the value proposition of this is actually insane.
Still using an M1 air as a daily. Though I started out with the 8gig version, and then i got into casual photography and had to replace it with a 16 gig model. The 8gig was fine for light use (web browsing, school work, stuff like that), but as soon as I opened up Lightroom and started doing some basic RAW editing, it would use over 10 gigs of swap memory! The 16 gig model gives the M1 much more breathing room. The M1 is still an extremely capable chip even today.
This is such a great laptop for those who travel a lot. Better than an iPad. If it breaks, well, it is only $650. My 14 inch Pro fells so heavy when I travel.
HP laptop is a clear winner but Macbook is still better? If the difference is very less then why didn’t you pick the HP which has better overall specs. This is clearly a bias.
I have used the M1 as a daily nervous before, and thought its battery was amazing but unless yoy have a linux/windows desktop back at your dorm room to remote into to get actual work done, I would not suggest the mac for more rigerous courses that require grunt power. Other than that if it is just for taking notes, it is absolutly glorious with its battery power!
Well I think that this MacBook Air M1 is a very good option. For my workload that wouldn’t suffice, but neither would the HP. I think that the best aspect of these airs is to be the main device for most stuff accompanied by a secondary desktop for more computationally intensive stuff if there is such a need. Instead of getting a $1500 windows laptop I think it makes a lot more sense to get this MacBook Air and also windows desktop. This is the perfect device for everything done in a daily basis, and in case this is not enough, then a similarly priced windows laptop is not gonna cut it either.
God I don’t like that MacBook Air, I’ve seen that model go on sale a lot but those specs are lower than acceptable. I have a M1 16GB and 512GB and it’s the minimum I’d recommend.
Maybe it's the ecosystem around me... All my study pcs in school and colleges were windows.. And now all the work pcs are windows.. I don't even think some of their softwares comes for Mac.. Plus I hate the apple way of just deleting apps without your permission during an update.. For those reasons, I'm out
I think the main thing to ask is, do you prefer windows or mac os? If you prefer windows, then a mac is out of the question. Even if you run windows in emulation mode. I just prefer my storage and ram to be upgradeable.
Im using a base spec M1 Air since 2020 for nearly everything and never had any complaints, in fact im more and more impressed. Never had a 4 year old computer that doesn't show any signs of its age; it still lasts me throughout the day, still gets all the latest updates and doesn't succumb. Im programming on it, editing occasional videos and for games im using Geforce Now so my old noisy desktop can go because the quality is beter on the Mac (im only playing strategy/RPG games where latency isn't really an issue).
When I was looking for a laptop in 2019, I chose a (back then still Intel) Macbook Air because for what I wanted (a thin, well built media consumption machine with long battery life and a good trackpad), it was cheaper than any equivalent option on the Windows side.
Yes, you are right but, as the gatekeeper you are, you forgot to say that HP laptops have spyware embedded in them. Or ... you didn't know? in that case it's even worse, you' re supposed to be "an expert".
OK, so Walmart bought up Apples old stock cheap and are flogging it off... that is fine... It sounds like Apple over-manufactured this particular model and so had to find a way to get rid of the extra stock once discontinued. I am sure if another manufacturer did the same on its high-end laptops you would see similar discounting. This would happen less often because with PCs they tend to offer much more choice and so have smaller batches. What this really says is that Apple screwed up and made way too many of a laptop with too little memory and storage, and consumers were smart enough to realise that there was not enough future proofing in buying the anemic model. If you are on a tight budget and really want to get a mac, this is a great way, but only if you are a light user as the memory is non-upgradeable and will be an issue.
I had the fully upgraded Aero with Ryzen 7735U, although it was fast and it could play a lot of Steam games, it was also very noisy so I sent it back after 2 weeks.
I think you nailed it: It's a pretty good value for students. Long battery life and some bling, at the expense of storage and performance. But maybe the conversation is different when compared to chromebooks ? It would have been an interesting side to explore.
Got the macbook air m1 "full price and spec'd up" when it first came out, didn't use it as much, and when I wanted to use it I found a vertical pinkISH line appear on the screen. I called apple, and they were remiss on the fact that the laptop showed that line on the screen and that some others were faced with the same issue as well. They were rude. They would only offer PAID repairs, which was, at the time, close to the full price you are mentioning in your vid.
This Mac is still my main computer. Runs well, although it annoys me that I’m low in storage. If I want to run windows, I run VMWare through an external SSD.
More swapping means more writes to the SSD. Smaller SSD means less wear levelling which means reduced life span and you can't swap out the SSD when it goes
Why would you consider this the cheapest new Mac when Apple doesn't sell it new? Being able to buy older Apple products new at third party retailers doesn't count.
Buy a refurbished thinkpad. Mi e came with an 8th gen i5, 16GB of RAM and 256GB storage for £170 (about $200) not to mention a great screen and insanely solid build quality.
I was planning on going to bed, but there's a new MAC address, so here I am...
Here in Italy is early morning and I watched the video before going to work
Same 😭🙏
8:43 "only slightly [more capacious]" is what going from 256GB to 512GB is considered???
I (can) manage everything in 128gb of 256gb lmao
@@fakealizer8280 you mean 128gb of 256 gb ram
In 2024 512gb is pretty low still, kind of like "this 300 sqft apartement is only slightly more spacious than this 150 sqft one", yes it's double, but it isn't that much bigger in absolute terms.
These laptops are targeted for students. Most students do everything in the cloud now. I had 128gb MacBook Air for the last 9 years and it just didn’t matter. I never stored anything on it. It was a machine for word processing, watching TH-cam, and managing my fantasy football teams. I even had a couple old games from my childhood on it, but they were sub 1gb programs. Remember when devs used to optimize games?
@@BalintCsala I would argue that when dealing with really small spaces (or Ram) it matters way more than when dealing with devices that both have enough.
I always appreciate the variety of shooting locations in Mac Address! :D
To be fair, it should be noted that one was cheap cause it was old, and the other was cheap cause it was cheap....
Technically, the Mac was a premium $1000 product that's being sold for $600.....
I get what you're saying, but also, it's bought brand new. So at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, both are (now) ~650$ laptops
@@Mister0Eel He should've compared it to an older high-end laptop whose price is now ~650$ then
@@aarspar But are there a lot in stores ? Or even at all ?
Because that's the thing, I usually only find current and possibly last gen products when I go to stores.
Or when there are older PC, there is barely any discount on them, they're just traps for unaware customers.
I don't live in the US and never go to Walmart, so maybe things are different there, but I wouldn't be surprised if this Macbook was actually one of the good value proposition compared to what's on their shelves.
@@hectorvivis3651 Same here; I don't live in the US, so I can't say for them. Where I'm from, many Walmart-like big stores also sell older, last gen products alongside the newest ones, maybe to also clear out old stocks. Or maybe they can also browse up on Amazon or something.
I would imagine it's almost the same thing in the US--I mean I'm pretty sure they're more tech-savvy about buying stuff online.
@@aarspar but you can't buy a 2020 laptop new.
*1am upload?!*
Jeeze, Linus _really_ doesn't like Mac. 💀
As if Linus still manages video uploads personally -_-
Timeones, they exist
Summery: HP is more modular, more performant. Mac is the winner
It is mac address and not hp address after all
Give the M1 MacBook another 3 years, find out that's your last OS update. Maybe OpenCore Legacy Patcher will take this on.... Maybe Ashi Linux will mature by then. Yes, sure, for most an out dated OS isn't a big deal, iPhone/iPad development it is.. I use an M1 Mac mini 256GB/16GB, and other than 3D rendering, I've been happy with it. Its never felt slow, even with 4k video editing. Add in Geforce Now / Xbox XCloud and I can sorta make ways with gaming. There is also Apple Arcade.. well kinda
“It feels exhausting to click around windows” 6:56
Ok, I think we’re being a bit dramatic now. It’s a frickin touchpad.
It's an important comparison. HP trackpads are objectively worse than those on MacBooks.
@@Maddy-Guthridge Yeah i 100% agree apple perfected their trackpads
The dismissal of tapping rather than clicking was... a choice @@Maddy-Guthridge
@@Maddy-Guthridge I don’t disagree. But saying using the HP one is exhausting is a little extreme!
@@phatslatesbecause it is exhausting. I groan every time I needed to use a traditional diving board trackpad on my work laptop when demoing to clients. With Mac trackpads, it just feels effortless. Your fingers just glide through the glass and the pressure required is perfectly calibrated. You can also press anywhere in the trackpad to generate a click and not hunt the specific area that you need to click “correctly” like you need to with most windows laptops.
In fact, diving board trackpads are so bad that I associate Windows Laptops with them as requiring a mouse to be useable as a bare minimum.
How long will there be OS updates for both of the "new" laptops? I am afraid, Apple will support the M1 Macbook Air only for a few more years, I expects Windows for at least 10 years.
I think you might depend on the model.I'm afraid probably those twenty nineteen macBook, intels won't be supported along. I think so far, they only get six years of up dates, whereas windows could go a lot longer. I still have a twenty twelve macbook that boots with windows. Macos is no longer able to update. But windows on mac still is updated with windows ten.
Windows 10 can run on computers from 2007. It's going to be supported until 2025
That's 18 years.
Nah you'll be fine if you're concerned with the Mac not getting security updates because you get "minimum" 6 years of updates with a Mac and 3 years of security updates of the OS you're on. That's 9 years
@@fantasypvp Bit different to compare Windows to macOS, which gets a named upgrade every year. Windows gets a new named release every 5-6 years these days.
still i dont want to support that, i am forced to put up with this crap on my phone already. no thank you.@@theblablareal
Mac Address videos are on another level
8GB of RAM is so 2012
Meanwhile Apple - 8GB on Mac = 16 GB on Windows 🤣🤣🤣
how much RAM does your phone have, more importantly, need? :D
I'd say 'so 2014' - as I recall in 2012 4GB was still the norm for most people.
From this October all Macs will start from 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD
@@theblablareal Apple is taking every $200 upsell they can possibly get before listening to the reality that 16GB became the norm years ago...
I go the M1 MacBook Air recently costing almost the same as an iPhone 14 and it's been amazing. It never requires being shut down, the battery lasts 2/3 days easily and my primary reason for choosing it over the Pro was the beautiful Rose Gold color which I appreciate all the time.
Yeah, if active cooling isn't useful to you, the airs are great.
@@thekwoka4707You can also stick some thermal pads in between the board and chassis for more thermal envelope.
@@thekwoka4707 I didn’t dare to run ML projects in it. I have shifted to Google Colab for now. But yeah, this way just for that beautiful Rose Gold color, honestly.
My older Windows laptop has no resale value and so I’ve kept it with me. I’ll run those in them, if required 😅
The story telling on this channel is heads and above the other LTT channels. This man should get a big bonus every year!
That's not how businesses work
Linus gets the bonus
Selling a premium laptop with just 8 GB of RAM even back in 2020 should be considered a crime against humanity
They don't make 10/20 models per year and they don't force anyone to buy it either.
@@vedanshchn nobody forces you to buy anything, but manufacturing short lifespan devices should be frowned upon in this day and age.
Plus I really don't get your inventory problem with other manufacturers
@@salmiakki5638 Every been to an “authorized” Apple Store or service center? They use Intel MacBooks Air devices and they all work just fine.
@@salmiakki5638 going strong with my 4 yr old 8 gb macbook as i type this
Am I confused here? Since when is the Mac book air a “premium” laptop? Its cheaper than the phone in most people’s pockets
i mean, if they always were on a comparable price range like this, then yeah i would consider Apple products
the lack of memory both RAM & Storage, is still pretty pathetic & only justifiable for Ali express Chromebooks
6:30 Love the German Mug (It says Love You)
It says “Love you”. There is no “Ich”.
8GB of RAM and 256GB of storage is a dealbreaker. Get a 16GB 512GB model or just go with the HP Pavilion.
What does it for me is the 256GB SSD on top of 8GB RAM. Like, I can tolerate spitting, but you didn't have to piss on me as well.
it's more about MacOS vs Windows
The touchpad on macbook are more natural, feel like navigating using a touchscreen of a smartphone, it is that good.
2:22 what even is that colour-changing straw
Looks like an iridescent coating; the colour depends upon the angle to the light, so as the camera moves it can change. Yep, that's a guess but as I have seen iridescent straws it's probably not a bad one.
The M1 Air is the best computer I've ever owned. Not the most powerful, and by a long shot. But definitely the best computer. Probably my best tech purchase.
Comparing macs and pcs has always been a pretty furile excercise, as they respond to 2 different kind of users.
I know no Windows person that'd get an equivalent mac, even at a lower price.
Same on the mac stide (of which I'm a part of).
I just bought a MacBook Air M1 this weekend. I visited the mall and looked at many models from Lenovo, Samsung, Dell, etc. I could not bring myself to buy one of those frail pieces of plastic. I know 8GB is a joke, but you don't touch the RAM while using the computer. If the laptop is fast enough, let it use swap! When Apple released the M1 Air back in 2020, a lot of people said that swap usage would degrade the lifetime of the unswappable SSD. Four your ahead, did it happen?
I buy a lot of macs for our company. the certified reseller told me, that the M1 8GB is still being manufactured by apple but sold only for "developing markets". Like my country (Poland). You can't get M1 with 16GB anymore. You'd need to upgrade to M2 one.
As a sucker who has to use a HP pavilion for work.. I FLIPPING HATE IT!!!
The fans are constantly on while i work. Its slow and gets overloaded from just using a browser with 10 tabs and vscode remote session so im not even locally executing code...
Dont even get me started on battery life and heat...
I've been begging this evil corp that i work for to let me buy my own macbook and let them adopt it.. But nope.. Evil corp wants me to keep producing while forcing me to work with SH!"#
I did a quick search in my local shops, and the HP pavillon aero13 is around 900€, and the macbook air m1 is 760€
The pavilion 15 is 700€
My M1 MacBook Air is my favorite laptop...but I basically use it like a Chromebook. I just can't get used to MacOS after all these years, and I'm sad I can't run Windows natively without a subscription. And the external monitor situation is a super bummer. Would have expected someone would have gotten an eGPU working by now.
M1 MacBooks are still incredible in 2024, and probably will remain amazing for 99% of users for another 2-3 years (which is about the average "full" support cycle for Apple products). Definitely still worth it!
i disagree.
i love apple products. I own a macbook m3 pro, iphone 15, airpods pro 2, but unless you REAAAAALLY CARED about the apple ecosystem features so much that you would trade performance for it, i would recomment the hp at those prices.
Sys admin here, love my m1 MacBook air. Primary for the battery life, display, speakers and build. If i need anything with power, i just remote into my home server or desktop. Otherwise i can toss my MacBook air in my backpack and charge it with any potato with USB c.
When the M1 Macs came out i was studying for my bachelor. My 16'' Zephyrus for some reason after a windows update started spinning the fans extremely fast and turned off never to be turned on again (repairs said that motherboard got cooked most likely after a faulty update) so i had to get an emergency laptop the same day - M1 MacBook Air. That little son of a bitch carrier my through 2 years of drafting and graphic design while in auditorium without available outlets, before i got the 16'' MBP. That little laptop is amazing.
Short answer: No
Long answer: Only for tasking and apps that have also been optimized for macOS. Other than browsing and schoolwork, there is a high chance that you are better off with a windows laptop. Furthermore, Macs function the same when not connected to power. So, if you find yourself on the go more likely than not, then they are a comparable choice.
[Edit: just to let anyone know who has read this, I have not even watched the video yet and these are just my personal findings from what I have seen/heard in general regarding Macs vs Windows computers. But, since this counts pretty much 99% of the time, I still found it appropriate to leave this comment here.]
i'm using that exact Macbook Air (just 8core gpu instead of 6) for work since 2021... no issues so far! battery still last all day.... only 1 thing was to buy this with 16GB for a VM for Windows for IT stuff... other than that still a perfect laptop for everything!
I dont think I've had a computer - Macs included - with 8GB in at least a dozen years. My oldest 2 Macs, a 2014 Mac mini and 2017 Macbook 12", both have an un-upgradeable 16GB. Even my pathetic work issued HP Elitebook 835 has 16GB. The single external display limitation is also brutal.
small ram, frequently used swap memory which is slowly degrade ssd, also small ssd 256gb which is smaller TBW.
one day those ssd gonnal fail, your data gone, and goodluck replacing those soldered macbook ssd.
I could probably live with base M1 for things I currently use my iPad for - mostly content consumption. Maybe at a push I could do some work on it, but as an IT pro in Microsoft land I think the 8GB RAM would quickly be an issue. Can it even handle a Teams (that app sucks in every way) meeting? But I could never love it, because I would know the storage and RAM are underspecced, and if I'd got 16/512 it would suddenly be a 'do everything' device. Frankly, it was under specced in 2020.
When Apple offers an iMac for less than 1500€ with 16GB RAM and 1TB of storage i'm buying one (or several). Until then the base specs are definitely overpriced, I ain't about to drop 230€ on 8GB of ram LOL
A “new laptop” that came out almost 5 years ago with a couple of years of software support to go. What are you talking about sir? How could u recommend buying this?
I recommended this for a friend who exclusively uses the browser. 8gb is definitely not enough for someone who cries “my tabs!” when the computer crashes. If you’ve got good tab hygiene then you can probably make it work… but if you’re visiting ad-riddled blogs all day, do not buy.
you're comparing two netbooks, it mostly comes down to whether you tolerate mac or not
if you want to compare mac vs pc grab a studio and 9950X
but personally even on a thin and light I wouldn't go below 64 gigs of RAM, otherwise it won't be any useful in case of emergency, and in any other case it won't be useful anyway
I don't see the "the macbook is an overall better package" you referred to a couple times. Apart from the battery and higher end build quality, I don't agree at all.
When people buy a m1 MacBook with 8gb then decide they want to run chrome with 100 plus tabs while rendering a 3d model in blender watching TH-cam and say oh it’s slow. People need to buy laptops to suit their use case and not just ah MacBook 1000 bucks it will do everything!
Right now I am living with a 2011 MacBook Air, so I think I could live with the M1 MacBook Air, but I hear Linux sucks on the Apple chips right now, my old Intel mac doesn't have an issue running Linux, Windows or OSX, though the versions of Windows it supports are old I sort of doubt there are Windows 10 drivers for it, and when using Opencore to run modern versions of MacOS it is slow as anything so practically, I guess it is Linux only as that is the only way to get snappy performance out of 4gb and a dual core sandy bridge.
HP is better in everyway possible. But you can open the Macbook with one finger.
Winner: MAC!
The M1 is now almost 4 years old. But I stil don’t see a reason to upgrade from it. I bought the MBP 13 inch at launch and it does all I need it to do. Even some casual games. (More serious gaming is some best done on a desktop pc any ways, so yes I mostly game there on a nice big HDR display). The battery life is still absurdly great at more than 15 hours at about 87% of capacity. I can see this easily being a 7 year full use laptop, the value proposition of this is actually insane.
Still using an M1 air as a daily. Though I started out with the 8gig version, and then i got into casual photography and had to replace it with a 16 gig model. The 8gig was fine for light use (web browsing, school work, stuff like that), but as soon as I opened up Lightroom and started doing some basic RAW editing, it would use over 10 gigs of swap memory! The 16 gig model gives the M1 much more breathing room. The M1 is still an extremely capable chip even today.
This is such a great laptop for those who travel a lot. Better than an iPad. If it breaks, well, it is only $650. My 14 inch Pro fells so heavy when I travel.
HP laptop is a clear winner but Macbook is still better?
If the difference is very less then why didn’t you pick the HP which has better overall specs.
This is clearly a bias.
I have used the M1 as a daily nervous before, and thought its battery was amazing but unless yoy have a linux/windows desktop back at your dorm room to remote into to get actual work done, I would not suggest the mac for more rigerous courses that require grunt power.
Other than that if it is just for taking notes, it is absolutly glorious with its battery power!
Well I think that this MacBook Air M1 is a very good option. For my workload that wouldn’t suffice, but neither would the HP. I think that the best aspect of these airs is to be the main device for most stuff accompanied by a secondary desktop for more computationally intensive stuff if there is such a need. Instead of getting a $1500 windows laptop I think it makes a lot more sense to get this MacBook Air and also windows desktop. This is the perfect device for everything done in a daily basis, and in case this is not enough, then a similarly priced windows laptop is not gonna cut it either.
God I don’t like that MacBook Air, I’ve seen that model go on sale a lot but those specs are lower than acceptable. I have a M1 16GB and 512GB and it’s the minimum I’d recommend.
Maybe it's the ecosystem around me... All my study pcs in school and colleges were windows.. And now all the work pcs are windows.. I don't even think some of their softwares comes for Mac.. Plus I hate the apple way of just deleting apps without your permission during an update.. For those reasons, I'm out
I think the main thing to ask is, do you prefer windows or mac os? If you prefer windows, then a mac is out of the question. Even if you run windows in emulation mode. I just prefer my storage and ram to be upgradeable.
Im using a base spec M1 Air since 2020 for nearly everything and never had any complaints, in fact im more and more impressed. Never had a 4 year old computer that doesn't show any signs of its age; it still lasts me throughout the day, still gets all the latest updates and doesn't succumb. Im programming on it, editing occasional videos and for games im using Geforce Now so my old noisy desktop can go because the quality is beter on the Mac (im only playing strategy/RPG games where latency isn't really an issue).
When I was looking for a laptop in 2019, I chose a (back then still Intel) Macbook Air because for what I wanted (a thin, well built media consumption machine with long battery life and a good trackpad), it was cheaper than any equivalent option on the Windows side.
Yes, you are right but, as the gatekeeper you are, you forgot to say that HP laptops have spyware embedded in them. Or ... you didn't know?
in that case it's even worse, you' re supposed to be "an expert".
OK, so Walmart bought up Apples old stock cheap and are flogging it off... that is fine... It sounds like Apple over-manufactured this particular model and so had to find a way to get rid of the extra stock once discontinued. I am sure if another manufacturer did the same on its high-end laptops you would see similar discounting. This would happen less often because with PCs they tend to offer much more choice and so have smaller batches. What this really says is that Apple screwed up and made way too many of a laptop with too little memory and storage, and consumers were smart enough to realise that there was not enough future proofing in buying the anemic model.
If you are on a tight budget and really want to get a mac, this is a great way, but only if you are a light user as the memory is non-upgradeable and will be an issue.
I had the fully upgraded Aero with Ryzen 7735U, although it was fast and it could play a lot of Steam games, it was also very noisy so I sent it back after 2 weeks.
I think you nailed it: It's a pretty good value for students. Long battery life and some bling, at the expense of storage and performance.
But maybe the conversation is different when compared to chromebooks ? It would have been an interesting side to explore.
Got the macbook air m1 "full price and spec'd up" when it first came out, didn't use it as much, and when I wanted to use it I found a vertical pinkISH line appear on the screen. I called apple, and they were remiss on the fact that the laptop showed that line on the screen and that some others were faced with the same issue as well. They were rude. They would only offer PAID repairs, which was, at the time, close to the full price you are mentioning in your vid.
Better OS, efficiency, autonomy, 4 years old M1 for the win, I hate Windows, I'm biased...
How well does the MacBook run the latest OS with just 8GB of ram? I can find any videos that address this question.
This Mac is still my main computer. Runs well, although it annoys me that I’m low in storage.
If I want to run windows, I run VMWare through an external SSD.
I'd have thought an M2 Air would be more of a match to that HP with its 8000 series mobile APU. But price is still a problem.
Would get the mac. Not because I like apple, but because I genuinely hate hp. Worst company I ever had to deal with
HDMI 2.1 didn’t mean anything. A device with HDMI 2.0 features can be branded at 2.1. So… yea
Windows also has swap memory, and a lot of Windows laptops can be upgraded with more RAM, unlike all M Macbooks.
I have the Elitebook version of that HP for work, not my main device, and it's still pretty crap, especially in the screen and battery areas
what about a video about accessories for macs? video, network, usb hubs, external memmory...
With the kind of things you expect to do in this MBA, you should just get an iPad.
A windows laptop is a windows laptop. There is no alternative.
I am curious how the numbers would look if you could use Linux and/or opencore on the HP laptop.. would be an interesting follow up to this video..
why are these Canadian youtube channels always talking US prices?
More swapping means more writes to the SSD. Smaller SSD means less wear levelling which means reduced life span and you can't swap out the SSD when it goes
Wow, I'm a moron. I just realized the irony of the "mac address" name.
I was just contemplating buying an M1 Mabook Air, and I think now I am absolutely convinced to get one.
Great video but I lost my mind watching you pour your drink right next to the HP :D
I got the exact same MacBook last year used as a long time Windows user. Can’t really complain, the things that matter to me, it does well.
Why would you consider this the cheapest new Mac when Apple doesn't sell it new? Being able to buy older Apple products new at third party retailers doesn't count.
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This has got to be a faulty Browser or smth.
16gb should easily be enough for browing
I bought 2 macbook air m1 yesterday for college for me and my sister . Just for $610 each
I would get mac IF ram and storage ain't so damn expensive. Idk 8 gb ram just ain't enough
Needing more than 8gb of memory isn’t an extreme use case. It’s damn near a requirement of the most popular browser in the industry
As a student the Windows PC is gonna be better as it has extra storage…. Nobody wants to carry external drives…
Performance slides never gave a good view on the Macbooks day-today behavior.
We live in an era where my iPad has a bettter m4 chip than a macbook with an m1.
you forget to mention that 8gb of ram is only usable for word-processing and web browsing task.
I love just going around and harassing employees until they give you a number
They were selling m2 airs for the equivalent price here recently, even tho they 8gb for that price it’s been totally worth it
What's with the 'Liebe Dich' (love you) cup?...
Barges! (4:54)(ad) lol. Someone's not a fan of being in a boat on the water.
in that sound demo HP speakers where clearly better.
It's 2am for me ready to go to bed but I guess I won't sleep today
I’m rocking a macbook 12 inch, best mac ever
Just when I was about to sleep you guys give me a reason to stay up, keep up the good videos
Buy a refurbished thinkpad. Mi e came with an 8th gen i5, 16GB of RAM and 256GB storage for £170 (about $200) not to mention a great screen and insanely solid build quality.
M1 16gb RAM would be a great work laptop as well.
how can you compare them and not talk about battery life ???
windows has swap too, it's called pagefile.
Copium.