Australia To Block Internationally Purchased 4G/5G Phones As Part of 3G Shutdown - Starting 1st Nov
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- If your provider is unable to verify VoLTE support for your device, it may be blocked from Australian networks from the 1st of November 2024.
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James' Medium article
"Australia’s 3G Shutdown - Telcos to Block Working 4G/5G Phones!"
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Emergency Call Service Determination Legislation
(The law requiring telcos to block devices their can't verify)
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James' Medium article
"Australia’s 3G Shutdown - Telcos to Block Working 4G/5G Phones!"
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Emergency Call Service Determination Legislation
(The law requiring telcos to block devices their can't verify)
www.legislation.gov.au/F2024L01103/asmade/text
hey hugh, do you think it'll be fine to use a HK phone in the US? (ignoring 5g mm wave antenna)
@@HughJeffreys I just sent the petition to my whole school.
Shared. Thx Hugh.
Everyone needs to move to LoRa for local (and long range) communication, this would be a great opportunity to do some vids on it and meshnet👊
Australian government are out of touch! Hopefully reason will prevail. Now why are we still putting fluoride (which is factory waste) in the tap water in Australia?
What was the name of the app you used at the start of the video to test your phone?
This is some backwards thinking
Or as my grandpa says. Backassward thinking
Could not agree more
This is some upside-down thinking.
Typical Australia
Telco monopoly coming, so kickbacks for politicians.
Seeing they know about this they should be sued if just one person dies because they can’t ring 000.
Someone’s making money out of this.
There's always someone making money by things like this
Some things are shit seemingly for no reason but that might be it
It is not the companies responsibility, it is the Federal Labor Government’s responsibility. They could say no, but they are waving it through. It’s not Telstra or Optus’s job to support emergency services, they are private companies. Sure, Government’s can have USOs and USGs but it’s ultimately up to government to set the parameters for which businesses operate in.
Austria will probably never shut down 2G completely (even though some ISPs REALLY want to), simply because too many good old feature phones, IoT devices and even industrial applications rely on it, and 3G phones don't become complete bricks. Also, 2G has more reach, so on some mountains it might be the only way you can call emergency services, use SMS or, with EDGE, maybe even send a pure text message over internet.
2G having more 'reach' is mostly a myth, however.
For example, 600MHz 5G actually has more range than 'classic' 800MHz GSM. That's how TMobile managed to blanket the entire U.S with 5G coverage in such a short amount of time. Despite its range, the bandwidth can actually keep-up with Band 1 (2.1 GHz) LTE so kind of win-win situation.
It all depends on the signal frequency. It's a bit like comparing 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi (802.11n) with 5 or 6 GHz Wi-Fi (802.11ax-e). The former has more range and 'penetration' while the latter has more bandwidth, both having their uses.
this is false information, reach depends on the bands used, you can have 5g volte on 800Mhz band and it will have the same reach with better voice quality.
2G doesn’t have better reach-it’s just used on the bands with better reach so any phone can always fall back onto 2G.
@@Blueyzachary
As long as 2G does in fact live on these "better" bands that's a differentiation without a difference.
Millions of phones will go unusable. So much ewaste right there.
People should be able to atleast buy an adapter Athena to use in home or something
It also means millions of new phone sales, which benefits people like me financially, people who have a stake in the smartphone business.
@@ashchbkv6965 it also benefits me but that doesn't mean I like it
Government: that’s alright, that’s why we got you mate. Now get to work and make me my moolah! I got a coffee and date to pay for!
its crazy they're doing such a move..
The amount of corruption in the AU gov't is Russian-esque
Now that is insanely scummy
AT&T Still using LTE and 5gE for their 4g networks!(yes I know 5gE is not true 5g as it’s 5g evolved/evolution)
oh hi
I thought 5GE was just LTE Advanced but rebranded.
Sounds like some Australian politicians got some juicy contributions to their "re-election" campaigns..
We have similar issues in canada where international phones are blocked from volte and will become unusable once 3g is shutdown (supposedly end of 2025?).
This is despite the fact that international phones will work on volte for a few minutes if the sim is first put into a local phone until the network figures out youre using an "unsupported" phone
edit: I should clarify this Rogers (and subsidiaries) does this for sure via an IMEI whitelist. Telus I think also does this but apparently some people have had success calling support to get their phone whitelisted. As others have said other carriers might be better but the whole cell industry in canada is basically owned entirely by a few companies like it is in many other countries
I got good news for you, Freedom Mobile has no plans as of now to shutdown their 3G network so you can still use that
If 3G gets shut down then all of atlantic Canada is cooked lol. I have to rely on 3G in the middle of my damn city, and almost NEVER get anything except 3g or even 2g if I'm outside the city.
that's a bummer, if the call works in volte, it should continue, this is due to outdated software on carriers end. I had similar situation in India where the carrier had disabled volte for my father in laws phone, I spoke to the carrier and got it enabled.
Hope they tell tourists before they come over
My Xperia 10 II stopped receiving signal coverage in January 2024 because Vodafone shutdown their 3G network. Everything on the phone still worked, except making and receiving calls, which is kinda the point of a mobile phone. I was forced to buy a new phone specifically made for the Australian market.
You may have been able to flash it to a version that worked, I understand that most people either are unaware of that, or do not want to try it. I am far from an expert, but have flashed my sony xperia xz2 so that it (theoretically) will work after telstra tries to stop it from working.
Why should they shut down 3G it should just stay up
The 2G network should of remained and then they could shutdown the 3G network. Incompatible devices just fall back onto 2G. But we shutdown 2G in 2018.
@@HughJeffreysin my country, 2G will start shutting down in next month, while completely shut down in 2026. There are many android phones (before 2021) that are bought internationally will become useless after the 2G and 3G shutdown
@@HughJeffreys
2G SHOULD be used as a fallback if 3G/4G/5G don't work (especially as 4G and 5G are data only standards) 3G could be shut down
@@HughJeffreysAfter the veritasium video I'd definitely like to see 2g and 3g phased out
@@steveguy3 Their most recent video is a collab with Linus, that should tell you to ignore them completely.
In addition won't these changes prevent international roaming for people who are vacationing in Australia due to the testing requirements?
Yeah my concern exactly, i don't wanna lease a damn phone when mine works perfectly fine
Sounds like I'm never visiting Australia
People go to Australia on vacations?
@@Sam-Kapparently yeah a very dumb decision by those said tourists
Devices used by Roamers (travellers) are the only ones exempt from the blocking. There are phones that support Emergency Calling over 4G in other countries that will get stuck on 'calling' when you try to make an Emergency call here on 4G. Have a read of the petition or the Medium article in the description for more information.
So thousands if not millions of near new devices that should have heaps of life left are destined to become over priced paper weights great one Australia
exactly
Recycled
I signed the petition. government isnt thinking.
No. In Fact they are. About their offshore bank accounts....
In north borneo 3g was deactivated in mid 2021. Replaced by 4g and 5g. 2g however is still active.
Smart move.
yes we still using 2g for phone call that doesn't have 4g 5g signal
I dislike this continual forced obsoleting of usable technology every few years.
This kind of thing has been implemented in my country, Indonesia. All 4G/5G smartphones purchased from abroad after September 15, 2020 will be blocked and will not get a signal, unless they pay tax.
The tax part is their admission that it is a scam
You only pay the tax if they determine your phone is worth over $500 USD, I believe it's like 25%? but yeah it SUCKS, kinda hate this place
@@Skobeloff... I personally don't like the tax here. Even some government employees use the tax illegally, doing corruption. If the price of iPhone 16 Pro Max in America is $1,199, but in Indonesia it is $1,650, this is really crazy.
I never though Indonesia is so brutal, this is extortion and tax terrorism.
Glad I don't live in that 💩 🕳️
even as a non-Australian this is probably the worst birthday present I've ever received LOL
They should follow their neighboring Indonesia, shut down 3G network but keep 2G alive for standard phone call (non Vo-LTE) and emergency services.
Malaysia shut down 3G network since 1 January 2022 which makes many devices rely on 3G/2G only will drop to 2G only. Meanwhile phones that do not support VoLTE (like iPhone 5s, 5c and 5 and many Android devices released in 2017 or earlier) make calls through 2G only.
But once 5G launched on 15 December 2021, many devices don't support Malaysian 5G network yet except phones that come from China like Xiaomi, Poco, Redmi, OPPO, Vivo, OnePlus, Realme, etc will support 5G while popular phones like iPhone and Samsung and also unpopular phones like Sony don't support Malaysia 5G due to restrictions or not approved by MCMC which makes huge criticism.
Samsung has started to support Malaysia 5G since May 2022 while iPhones have started to support 5G since the end of February 2023. Since August 2023, it has made all devices support 5G network regardless of brands and models as long as it supports 4G band 28 and certain 5G bands like 3500MHz and 28GHz. Currently no VoNR support at the moment and only VoLTE is supported until the next few years.
Sadly, 3G has come to an end soon in most countries. 2G networks ended in most countries while Malaysia still had no plans to end their 2G network yet. I'm OK if they end their 2G networks as the data is much slower than 3G networks. 3G networks are still OK and acceptable speed at least minimum 1mbps and can be up to 15mbps (if you're lucky) and with average around 5mbps in most cases for 3G networks.
Glad I subscribed to you
Legitimately one of the stupidest decisions I've seen in a while lol. 3g and 2g are old standards, but they're good in emergencies, get better signal strength, and work at longer ranges. Supporting older, cheaper devices is also a great thing. I'm in Canada and I constantly lose 4g connection even in my city and get bumped back to 3g. I cannot imagine how terrible this will be for australians.
4G on 700MHz can travel further than 3G on 850MHz but is running at reduced power so it doesn't exceed 3G coverage.
This might turn Australia to the #1 exporter of spear phone parts
What is spear phone parts ?
another on the long list of Australia's Ls
I'm Australian and I have an international 5G phone so I'm screwed. Telstra sucks 😢
thats ridiculous. does that mean i need to buy a new phone if i visit australia?
we shutdown 3g too in our country but use it for 4g and 5g. no blocking international phone though.
I find it hilarious countries can't make changes for the better, but end up going forward with things like this.
This is one of those rare cases that I can happily say... "Thanks mexican 3rd world networks" (we still use GPRS)
"You will own nothing and be happy"
This is insane - thank you for providing such valuable informations to us
These are the end times, everything just keeps getting worse. I'm so sick of this. So fed up with govs ruining everything. This new tech is so fragile and ephemeral, it may be a good idea to minimise relying on it, try live without it and go back to how things were 40 years ago, that's what I'm trying to do.
This is the result of the business being in control. This is lack of proper regulation
Even living in another country I still know that shutting down 3G is a huge step down, a lot of phones is going to turn into "iPods" with absolutely no cellular connectivity and also probably turn them unusable for some people, thus raising up the e-waste issue.
Not to mention, theres ported/custom ROMs that doesn't support VoLTE so if u are a person like me who still using an old phone and using a custom rom to keep it alive it's also gonna be unusable, sadly no software can fix that.
I hope Australian government realises how bad this idea is and change their mind before starting doing that.
NZ is right behind. I'm currently working on the upgrade needed to keep all tractors and combines online. This is one of the most insane moves I've ever seen from a government body.
How about Vertisiums video which shows us how easily 3G can be hacked?
It is very much a phone manufacturer issue as they control what carrier settings are loaded onto their devices.
As for band 28, I can't imagine those phones without it currently have reliable coverage.
Hey Hugh 3G is shut down in America for years now and we have 4G and 5G. We still have 1G for emergency calls like 911 but it goes to a local government EMA cell towers have them for that.
No it hasn’t been that long. Verizon and At&T were both in 2022 and I think T-Mobile was in 2023. 1G networks have been shut down since 2008 as far as I know.
oddly enough the EDGE network is still up on t-mobile and so is gprs, it’s weird how 3g is gone but not these older standards going so far as to being completely absent from some phones
@@suddenlyacat tons of devices like ATM and parking meters only ran on 2G networks so TMo kept postponing its discontinuation, perhaps to please local/state/federal governments or perhaps the L/S/F governments and/or several affected industries asked/paid them.
I'm so glad here in Canada we still have 2G and 3G support for the foreseeable future
Canada might not be that much better than Australia... but damn, where it's better it's a *LOT* better lmao
Always on the money Hugh, the government isn't looking in the nation's best interest. The government want to control what you have and who is in control of the market. For an establishment that's all about the environmental impact, I bet they aren't taking into account of E-Waste.
AT&T did the same thing in the US
Evil government gonna evil government.
Telstra is always the worst for consumers
Has already happened. Mates Xs is blocked on Telstra.
Singapore has shut down both 2 & 3G. I'm assuming emergency numbers still work here given the lack of chaos😅.
2G still works in india if you use BSNL Sim card
Least cursed Anglo country
Signed the petition while still being in India. I am your 49th signer.
Wow, now I think India has such a better system than Australia or US or Canada, at first, we don't have carrier locked Mobile phones here, we can easily port out to other companies if network is bad, can use fabulous 5G (With Jio and Airtel) and in remote areas, have the 2G connectivity, as only two operators are now supporting 3G (BSNL and Vodafone Idea, but Vodafone is shutting their 3G down) but as such no VoLTE support issues are there in India that too with the lowest data rates in the world and Unlimited 5G with certain recharge plans which are cheap too
After seeing the Veritasium x Linus video, I hope it fades out.
Geez and I thought the 2G/3G shutdown was a shitshow in the U.S. while both Verizon and AT&T have shut down both 2G and 3G, T-Mobile (unofficially) still has 2G and 3G active, all U.S. carriers are now considered LTE and 5G carriers.
T-Mobile does not block any device from VoLTE, VoWi-Fi, Visual Voicemail, 5G, etc, you can use a Huawei, Xiaomi, Redmi, Ulefone, etc phone on T-Mobile and get all the features I mentioned before (if the device has the necessary LTE and 5G bands that is), there are times where VoLTE may not work and will claim incompatible, but some tinkering will enable it.
Verizon is stricter, while they allow any device to connect to their LTE and 5G network as well as allow text messaging, phone makers have to pay for their VoLTE access keys, if the OS does not have their VoLTE access keys it will *not* get VoLTE, some Chinese brands like Xiaomi, Redmi, Ulefone, etc have "illegally" copied Verizon's VoLTE (illegal in their eyes, not the laws eyes) thus getting VoLTE on Verizon, and Verizon does not care, there are many people with "unsupported" Chinese devices on Verizon, all you have to do is use a pre-activated SIM card.
AT&T is the worst of them all, if your device isn't in their whitelist, you will not get VoLTE, phone makers have to pay to get VoLTE access, the funny thing is, if you pop in a SIM card from a supported device into an unsupported one, the unsupported device will get VoLTE for a few minutes until AT&T's systems will detect the SIM change and suspend your service until you swap the SIM card back, and/or call AT&T to unsuspend your service, this means their network can support VoLTE on any phone, they just don't want to, they do have OnePlus phones in their whitelist, some of them being international and carrier models, but anything not sold in the U.S. will not work on AT&T. However, before the 2G and 3G shutdown, people on "unsupported" devices were given free phones, many people with international devices got free Samsung Galaxy's and iPhone's, and many people with supported phones purposefully purchased "unsupported" devices and popped their SIM card into them only to get a free phone.
My OnePlus 9 Pro 5G 5G LE2125 works on every carrier in the U.S. (plus or minus a few MVNO's), however, since AT&T also has a 5G whitelist, phone makers gotta pay for that too, my phone does not get 5G on AT&T while being the only OnePlus phone to have every 5G band AT&T offers, my phone is limited to 5Ge (LTE+/LTE-A)
Edit: Forgot to mention some things for Verizon, if the OS does not have their VoLTE access keys, you will not be able to make calls, there is no 3G/2G to fallback as that was CDMA, meaning an incompatible phone is just a glorified tablet, 911 calls are routed over any VoLTE network, that be AT&T, Verizon, or T-Mobile, regardless of compatibility, I it's a federal law.
Good grief this is going to be a nightmare
Can't use my phone as a tourist?😮
Follow the money.. who wins here?
My Xperia 1 IV suffers the same problem. I had to switch to Optus and it's terrible in my area.
That has to be frustrating, our operators in Czechia shutdown 3G networks over 3 years ago - since converage was poor in comparison to 4G, but kept 2G, which is still enough to make phonecalls. Hopefully Australian givernment resolves this problem.
It's only Hellstra's network. And why do they keep pushing the date back? I keep getting Hellstra's annoying message every time I try to make a call. And that's been happening for months.
It's like Australia researched the AT&T whitelist and went, "alright, how do we do that but make it worse?"
Yes, I have to stop using my Galaxy S6 even though it supports VoLTE, but I was notified from my carrier that it doesn't work for emergency calls.
so it will make many device become "wifi only" device, just like on some country that u need to register your imei to authority to be able to use ur device without it became wifi only device.
that's will broke the second hand market really hard.
0:20 I wonder if telcos will be informing us if they 'believe' our phones will not work??? I still receive the daft telstra message, even though I have flashed my phone down to a version that will still be able to make calls. I may be forcibly cut off regardless...
This is an utter disaster.
thats bs
This will also play hell on any tourists that grab a 30 day SIM card to avoid roaming costs. How is the average user supposed to know if they have VoLTE or not before going to Australia? Will they play nice with my unlocked US model Pixel or no? What about my mother's Galaxy S24?
Just buy a new phone from one of our 3 carriers of course. As always for Australia, this is just a scheme to make companies more $$$. Corporations own the government.
If only phones were open enough so users could upload volte config files themselves.
That is possible with some devices, however it typically requires root access or an unlocked bootloader etc. However even if you do that that telcos don't think the device works and will likely block it come 1 Nov. Optus is already doing it for new customers as of 3 September. Check the articles I've posted on Medium for more information.
On the one hand it's going to painful now, on the other hand it frees up more bandwidth for 5G services, more pain now for a much better future? Maybe Australia could actually lead the world in adapting new technologies to future networks.
Hahaha Australia leading the world... that's a good one
This is as bad as Australia trying to get rid of cash.
Bro why would they do this?
I bought an Xperia 5 from japan that was unlocked but it didnt support VoLTE in the US.
It fell back to 3G but it almost never worked until i unlocked the bootloader and flashed modem firmware already on the phone to make it work on VoLTE in America.
Nanny State
what’s up Hugh
Just battling the 3G shutdown. :(
Crazy, what a monopoly
Bump this video a like and a comment.
Share it to someone in Australia.
my sony also cant work on VoLTE if i flash uK FIRMware
works when i flash singapore firmware
I'm not Aussie, but this is ridiculous. It doesn't matter about how old the networks are, it just needs to be reliable and working.
They're gonna -delete all old phones? classic iPhones & Samsungs? *heartbreak* 💔 I guess I might get a lot of cheap phones on ebay from Aus to NZ. That's so sad.
Germany has 3G shutdown in 2022
This is some serious forced obsoletion
they'll take their time
to shut down
Just make volte standard
Malaysia already shutdown 3g for a year now.... 2g is still intact tho.
Annoying really
iTEST is not available in India yet
Indonesia did this 3 years ago
Why would they block 2G 💀
Count on Australia's political and legislative system to introduce more problems to solve 1 problem.
Its a mistake but they will do what the want
Millions of working or 1000$ phones are going to ewaste. 😢
What about cars that has 3g connectivity how so they continue to work?
Even if everything was flawless on VoLTE, you should still have a failover.
My country shut down 3G but not 2G. Now I know why.
i'm from singapore n we already fully shut down all 3G network in singapore so now we only using 4G n 5G network
One hand shuts down 3G, the other hand sells you AI only phones ...👀
Damn that sucks!
Good video Hugh!! :)
Why not keep 2G? Vodafone Ireland are closing down 3G but still retaining 2G for coverage and backwards compatibility.
At my place I have 5g,4g,3g,2g all of them
This sucks. My zenfone is awesome and still years away from needing an upgrade. But this makes it worthless.
The question is WHY are they shutting down the 2G/3G network? What are the supposed benefits compared to the clear negative impact of such shutdown?
U wot
And I thought *US Politicians* were stupid. No doubt they'll make a similar hash of things.