Something is SUSPICIOUS in NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycle
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Join us for this deep dive into the NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycle and the controversial domination of Team Vance & Hines. We will investigate the drag racing story from the Route 66 Nationals in Chicago, Illinois where we see Angie Smith, Chase Van Sant, LE Tonglet and Gaige Herrera battle it out in the semis, discuss class parity between the v-twins and Suzukis, give some sweet Bret “The Hitman” Hart sunglasses to Matt “The Hitman” Smith for the excellent job he’s done improving and we take a close look at the potential influence racing legend Terry Vance has on the NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycle class along with sponsors Suzuki, Mission Foods and Revilla. 2003 NHRA championship winning team owner “7.0” Joe Koenig takes us along for the ride. Enjoy this deep dive into NHRA Pro Stock Bike drag racing and leave your thoughts below. We will even see the Funny Car final between the legend John Force and Tony Stewart Racing’s Matt Hagan. #motorcycle #dragracing #motorcycles #dragbike #nhra #topfuel
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Money always wins in racing period.
Yup, that's a big problem in all of NHRA and why a lot of people won't run their cars in NHRA. Look at the Street Outlaws NPK and the money poured into any of the top level cars, getting to be the same problem. Those that spend the most will likely prevail.
If Matt isn't winning he is wining.
If you look at every form of racing, the biggest checkbook always wins.
Money is definitely the determining factor no matter what anyone says, it's what teams are looking for at the end of the day. Sponsors and their money make a huge difference in NHRA in all aspects. Money is money! Cash talks!
In a Single word... what you're saying is... Corruption.
Nhra Has Favored VH From Day One... But This is Embarrassing. 😮😂
NHRA and V&H = The words..... Behind the scene's Corruption..... comes to mind!!
Those glasses are like a cartoon character - I'm thinking Robin of Batman and Robin
I will come out and say it as a race fan and former drag racer. Marketing, now, will always take precedence over good, hard fought competition, at least in the top classes. The sanctioning bodies care more about being able to market a name, a show, a "hero" if you will. Look at any top tier class from the NHRA to F1 and Nascar, it isn't and hasn't been about ingenuity and competition in years. In this case, it's clearly Vance and Hines capitalizing on NHRA allowing them to either control parts, technology or something that gives them the edge. Clearly Gaige's bike is bad fast, but if another team want's or has to rent from them, why do they not get just as bad a rocket? No company should ever be allowed to monopolize the parts, and hence the competition. Shoot, if it's called "Pro Stock", make every body run factory spec cases, cylinders, heads and cranks. Then let any company make those parts and sell them to whoever they want to. As for parity, man I hate that word. On the issue of weight, it's so simple but nobody want's to address it, make it total weight WITH rider in full gear and full of fuel. It's a place to start. Anyway, I think you are right on with what you don't want to see, I believe it is.
It wasn't that long ago that the V Twin powered bikes were winning every race. What goes around comes around, the PSM class is boring and not too many fans care anyway...
Suzuki is like Chevrolet. As long as they are winning it is worth their while to shovel money into the series (as Chevrolet does in Pro Stock). Like Chevrolet, if the competition comes knocking, Suzuki will pull out, Vance and Hines will turn to Kawasaki or Honda or Moped (whoever shovels out enough money) just like Chevy pulls out when they are not dominant.
Can you give me an example of were Chevrolet pulled out of something they didn't dominate
Drag racing in the 60s....Chevy lost it's dominance and pulled out.
Your Bang on there Cuda!
It’s clear, even if you tree him Gage’s bike has more top end power
I agree just from lookin a t a few of his runs.. that bike has the back half power that no1 else does.. just like on here the finals. They pretty much left together but that V&H bike was dumping HP on the back half. Now when the other bike is pretty much V&H also why did gaige pull that much more on the back half of the run.. I mean just pulled away for van sant like nothin.. MORE MONEY =MO POWER .. PERIOD
Yeah, this is why Matt Smith just dominated at Bristol … until Gaige treed him in the semis …
@@Clyde-2055 dominated.. not sure I'd use that word my friend.. the tree has NOTHING to do wit E.T. .. and matt wasn't running numbers like the Suzuki (V&H) bikes were.. only 1 of Matt's tuned bikes were running the numbers and it wasnt his or Angie's bike. The V&H bikes are dominating PSM and it shows with 9 consecutive wally's.
@@thomaskimparker809 - I’m not sure which Bristol you were watching, but during the one this past weekend, Matt qualified #1 with a 6.759, and was the only bike to top 200 the entire weekend. The best Gaige turned the entire weekend was 6.818.
So I have no idea what you’re thinking when you say Matt wasn’t running “like the Suzuki” …
Is there zero tuning between races? I don't follow the bike drag racing like I do most other forms of drag racing. If there is in fact no tuning then I'd say there is a drastic power difference in the bikes but if they're tuning between rounds it could come down to the tuner.
The only real solution is to have a claiming rule.
Suzuki has always put a lot of effort and money into racing. Is this about Harley Suzuk? Where is Kawasaki, Yamaha, and Honda? The amount of money and technology it takes to compete in the sport is what has killed it.
V-twin can too . Ask aprilla or the red . See , if you are 40%away finding what is wrong is easy . But when the difference is 3 % ? You might search years to discover the 3%
Aprilla is broke and on the trailer
Donated 1m to Mother NHRA and he’ll never lose.
The NHRA doesn’t care. The champagne celebration is at the end of the track with no fans.
Does sound like a stacked deck.
🤢 Dudes don't wear outfits, Dudes don't look sweet in their sunglasses 🤢. Pull it together man.
Why are you checking out dudes.......
@@3stoogesrocketry I get it, It's the old" I know you are but what am I. Takes me back to a better time. P.s You have Cooties, I know karate, And my dad can kick your dad's butt. Lol👍
For about 15 years, Harley-Davidon OWNED the NHRA and paid them to rig the rules in H-D's favor over Suzukis. For example, Suzukis were limited to 2 valves per cylinder while Harleys were allowed 4 valves. H-D bikes had, and still have a 53 cubic inch engine displacement advantage over Suzukis. And Harley products were allowed to use fuel injection while Suzukis had to use carburetors. Up until the rules changed, it was so obvious the rigged rules favored of H-D bikes that any fool who showed up to race a Suzuki in PSM was defeated before they unloaded their bike from the trailer. Hines, Krawiec, Arana and all of the H-D crowd's championships were tainted by the corrupt NHRA rules committe who were paid to let Harleys win. Now the worm has turned and riders like Matt Smith are crying foul even though he enjoyed the rule rigging for many years.
So many crybabies out there, Matt always crying when he can’t win. Then NHRA will impose some type of restriction on teams who’ve worked so hard to have that power advantage. Stop punishing success!!! Get your Ass out there and put in the work if you want to beat Vance and Hines…
No one getting horsepower from V&H is going to say a single negative thing about them…..may find yourself DOWN on horsepower. 1990 Daytona 200 By Arie. Vance and Hines Yamaha FZR750OW01 had mph and horsepower on EVERYONE including the more developed World Superbikes…..why. Because Terry monopolized the then new downdraft smooth bore flat slide carburetors. Biron is an absolute master at building horsepower but Terry is an absolute genius at marketing!
Yoshimura could break up the monopoly. In superbike racing you had Vance & Hines, Muzzy, Yoshimura, I remember the days of Scott Russell, Jaime James, Kenny Roberts, Kevin Schwantz, in drag racing I'm old enough to have seen Dave Schultz, John Meyers, Steve Johnson, my point is motor sports are more competitive when they have more manufactuers of performance parts playing the field.
Unfortunately jack money talks! Unfair yes will it ever change no!
I’m sure ole Matt’s crying about something today (Monday morning) - probably how Gaige somehow cheated when he hole-shotted him in the Bristol semis …
I’m just waiting for Matt to announce that Gaige put a hex on him 😂😂 …
So many crybabies out there, Matt always crying when he can’t win. Then NHRA will impose some type of restriction on teams who’ve worked so hard to have that power advantage. Stop punishing success!!! Get your Ass out there and put in the work if you want to beat Vance and Hines…
Thank you. I agree that as long as he was winning, it was all gravy.
NHRA has always done that. That is why they've lost so much of their fan base over the years. That is why so many have turned NPK, that I am still not a fan of because it's boring. I would much rather watch grass roots racing. V&H is no different than Proline in NPK!
Cry like a baby! Harley was winning everything for years because the NHRA radically slanted the rules in favor of Harley and all the Harley riders were so proud of how fast they were. Now Suzuki has caught up and passed Harley and they can’t stand it.
One thing for sure Matt is not the greatest the only thing that is good at is being like his daddy a crybaby when things don't go their way
Terry Vance has always been in charge of Nhra motorcycles class rules. Money talks
Yup!!..... Corruption at ALL and EVERY level..... IMOP. : )
If he reads this, he'll get wood.
When the hogs was winning it was all good now its go suzuki
You do know the same team that's running the Suzuki's that's winning is the same team that had the Hogs and was winning. Vance & Hines they got their hands around NHRA throat! They donate big money everyone knows that money talks! The only reason the Hogs aren't still winning is because Harley pulled the funding from them! Vance & Hines is the ones that produce all the Suzuki motors. I guarantee you they're not producing & selling the same equipment that they are running! NHRA should make all the equipment available to all the teams the exact ones they are running. That or somebody's going to have to step up and start producing their own parts put in the work and the cash to figure out what they're doing. That way they can't pull the bullshit if you're in a battle for the championship for them and they can't get you a crankshaft or any part for your Motors. That's why Matt went back to Buell's that way they have no control over his racing operation like they do everyone else. Nobody wants to watch racing that's not competitive!
Put Gage on a bike not backed by Vance and Hines and see what happens just a thought
It happened. Prior to V&H picking him up he qualified No. 13 on Gary Stoffer's bike and lost first round, Vegas 2022
He use to run pro street and he wasn’t winning like this
Gaige paid his dues, couple years ago he rode a bike that didn’t have the horsepower but he was a good rider that’s when V&H picked him to ride their bike last year. Stop the dam crying about another teams success and put the work into your program. Why should success be punished!
@@kylewest7449but Gaige and his father have the quickest nitrous powered PST bike in the world.
Gaige is starting to believe he is actually that good. #freakingjoke
Let's run stock 600's with no wheelie bar. That way other manufacturers can play and rider skill plays a larger role.
Absolutely!!!..... Great Idea!
@@markwatkins5416 Yeah, that would be SO exciting instead of mid-6s. Laughable.
Like Super Stock in NHRA, great idea. I like it
Once again, V’s have a ridiculous 770 cc displacement advantage NO other pro class has two different engine configurations (look at Pro Stock car) those V’s have ruined the class #walkawayNHRA
Where was all the outrage when the Harley's were dominating.
I remember back in the day when Terry and Byron were the unstoppable leaders!
The Pro categories are just that, professional class. The problem is NHRA has always played favorites for certain teams and manufacturers in Pro/Stock cars and bikes by allowing changes to the shapes of the cars and the bikes. They seem to forget about the stock part of it. These race machines are supposed to look like the stock versions that are seen at the dealerships minus the hood scoops and huge rear tires. So much whining goes on behind closed doors that you can’t always tell when sneaky changes have been allowed for one brand . I understand that some minor changes have to be made for safety reasons but NHRA had a hand in letting things get out of hand, it started with what engines are allowed then tweaks in the frontal shape, the the angle of the front windshield then how wide the car is can be changed or how much thinner the thickness of the nose of the car is. On bikes all the fairings that have been added that unless you’re a motorcycle brand savant, with the paint scenes that help hide the body shape they start to look all the same. Then the changes in engine size, valve placement or how many valves per cylinder. It’s either crushing oversight or turning a blind eye for some things. It’s no wonder that so many racers simply quit because of rules that allow one brand and one brand only to succeed. I don’t even bother to attend any races with any of the pro classes, I’ll be happy to watch the Lucas Oil door slammer cars race.
It's definitely too political. Don't care for your new glasses at all.
Matt's taking it well because he cried and got what he wanted and he still lost. V&H has put an incredible rider on a fast bike and he's dominating and Smith is not. If Smith was dominating you would obviously be ok with that because it's obvious where your allegiance lies. And because Smith isn't dominating you accuse V&H of funny business. Maybe Matt needs to step up his game.
Why don't they just make the engines the same size regardless of the number of cylinders, no weight break if your running 2 cylinders, a minimum bike weight regardless of the number of cylinders and they all have to run the same race gas.
No red fuel?? So replace the Marvel Mystery Oil with Sea Foam! 😂
Trouble is a lot of companies are more interested in selling you stuff than fair competition.
When someone like Brock comes out with claims like his ceramic wheel bearings add a few miles per hour to a Grom its obvious bs but there are plenty doing it in racing for the sponsorship money.
If someone is getting 18 from 19 either they have figured something out that no one else has or they're cheating - be that with the blessing of the rule makers or not.
Class will continue to dwindle if there’s no hope. It’s pretty obvious what is happening here. I see more bikes coming up for sale.
I don't know why but that bike boosted with 1/16 mile left......... I smell a SKUNK.
So many crybabies out there, Matt always crying when he can’t win. Then NHRA will impose some type of restriction on teams who’ve worked so hard to have that power advantage. Stop punishing success!!! Get your Ass out there and put in the work if you want to beat Vance and Hines…
the Vance & Hines Nationals 😅
Very Sadly !!!
Matt Smith is and has been a bad MF'er in Pro Stock.......IF you want to get a look into the Vance and Hines & NHRA romance, take a trip and talk to George Bryce @ Star Racing
I seriously doubt that they test any more than Vance & Hines, that kind of power doesn’t come in a box and you can just bolt it on.
I still say make the field equal and let them race special rules for HD and Buell killed psm
Matt has six championships riding a buell so what am I missing here? Everything was cool then when he dominated racing, but now since Suzuki stepped up its game he’s crying!😢
When V&H Suzuki parts are the only source for NHRA approved parts, and V&H can control who gets parts on time, and NHRA can penalize teams for NOT using V&H parts, it's not really a fair competition.
@@pb68slab18 that’s when you go to work on your program, Kawasaki, Honda , Yamaha if your not going to put in your money and time then your at the mercy of the ones who have.
Parity is woke. Compassion with fuel classes is just stupid when all fullers run the same stuff. Running a v-twin in psm is like running a John Deere in F1.
It’s kinda surprising that the NHRA hasn’t resorted to adding weight to the Vance & Hein bikes like they did several years ago. It didn’t work but it exposed NHRA thinking back then and have they learned from that?
Perhaps separate class twin and Suzuki as minimum
You wont have parity between the bikes until you have an rpm limit. Rpm rules.
Notice the stands are not full, NHRA has problems
Increasingly So..... for a number of years now. I wonder why? lol
The NHRA certainly did not maintain parity during the times years ago when H-D had every rule advantage the NHRA could give them. See my comments below.
They are selling people the same parts they are winning with. They need to learn. Experience counts.
Why don't they just separate v twins and four cylinders
There is a point to what you are saying, and you may be right. But I dont really think so. I have gotten tired of seeing Gage win to as a fan, but as a race car driver myself I can see more than just from the fans prospective. Gage is no doubt one of the best on the tree to begin with, but Andrew H. is just an amazing tuner. I know times were different but when John Force and Austin Coil won 10 championships in a row it wasnt because they were cheating. Force was hands down the best driver and Coil was the best tuner. We dont see much of it anymore because everyone is just a genius now, but all through drag racing history a team finds something and for a season or 2 they just dominate. Then everyone else gets it and its back even. I am confident that Matt will win more championships because he is the G.O.A.T. of Prostock bike, but right now Hines just has it figured out. But all these tuners and everyone in any NHRA class are really just true geunisses and they will always figure out how to go faster.
How About Factory Sealed Stock Engines...???
Won 16 out of 19?!?! Y'all smell that?!?! Yep!!!! Its 🐂💩!
Why was Chase Van Sant's Q4 run disqualified?
This is how racing gets ruined. Money always ruins the great things we love. It comes down to GREEDY, GLUTTON, ACTIVITY. Never trust the people making the most money.
V&H has dominated the class since the 80s do they work that much harder than everyone else? I don't think so.
They are just better.
V twins run 180 cubic inch multi cylinder are allowed 100
The fact that Harley and Buell ever win a race is a Gimme
NHRA should have stepped in a long time ago
🤩Angie - WOW! 🤩
I remember when VH had the harleys.. and dominated. NHRA made them add weight.. now the tables or bikes have turned SUZUKI is dominating... time to add some lead to them . The golden rule..HE WHO HAS THE MOST GOLD RULES..
AND THAT SHIT ABOUT DONATING 1MIL.. WTF.. REALLY.. HELL YES MOST DEFINITELY A CONFLICT OF INTEREST...THAT RITE THERE GOES TO SHOW YOU WHO RUNS THE SHOW IN NHRA PSM.. SMH.
Remember v&h tan vywins dominated now v&h on susuki and they are the only one selling parts for susuki an again the are dominating chit rent one of thete bike an it still not as fast as there racers that the support
Ret.vet.,I spend my money going to the race tracks I,ve been to every track and I am a bike person first and far most but this shit makes me miss AMA PRO STAR and as much as I am a race person this kind of stuff is going to make get season tickets to the WNBA, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BEAT TWO 90 LBS GUYS ON BIKES WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ALSO GADSON 95 LBS. WET, EVEN WHEN JOHN FORCE HAD ALL THE DOLLARS HE STILLGOT HIS ASS BUSTED SOMTIMES.
Don't penalize a team for working hard. The other teams need to step it up
Thanks Jack Congratulations to angie smith
Yes it's legit. The V-twin is behind in time. Catch up.
hey where do you get cycle drag merchandise in the uk
Quit your crying! Unsubscribed
I stopped watchen NHRA pro stock bikes when they gave all the vtwins a weight brake an bugger motor "aka" more cubuc inches just becouse the run two cylender motor againt 4 cylenders VH dominated with vtwin then they switch to 4 cylinders an what a surprise dominant again. Back in the day all brands were there not just two ill stay racen the brackets on a small bike
guess they could give the vtwin 2500 cc... Biggest wallet does not always win.... it needs a big wallet but not the biggest..
if it looks like a dead fish and it smells like a dead fish it must be a dead smelly fish!!
Geez, she lost by a tenth a whole shot put on her what the fuck
Buell ❤Matt💪🏼😎
Byron Hines, who knew, right?🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁
Put down the tin foil or step up with proof of something.
There is fk all "hard work" involved, its a paid hobby, not a job, drama Queens.
It definitely not a even playing field
NHRA screwed up when they got rid of Modified Production and bought in Sewer Gas And when they get rid of ProStock Truck
Nobody cared about Pro Stock Truck.
Grumpy Jenkins did .
Stop hating 😢😢
You talk to Dang much watching 👀 for racing! 🏁
This is the same whining that all the losers tried to pin on John Force for years. Dominance breeds crybabies. Matt Smith whines more than anybody always has.
that fit is mad kleen
i like your show only way too see what going on. i dont watch any nhra racing anymore.. havent for years now. pro stock bike needs a wieght rule and be a natural aspirated motor. THATS IT
They do have a weight rule and are naturally aspirated already and always have been!
@@cunderthunt yes but that only 2 rules it should have
Vance & Hine has an advantage anyne 60 Knows Their Record . They will not sell every part to anyone . I do not like anyone with an advantage .NHRA i been around at Beech Ben Kentucky In the 1960's .They are not giving the secret away . Manipulation , It is in Every Type Racing .Even Slot Cars .Which should answer all your questions .
No one complained about Garlits' domination, no one complained about Bob Glidden's domination,no one complained about Don Prudhomme's domination. I remember a motorcycle drag racer gave me a piece of advice back in the late "90's..."Don't Use Politics to Win. Just Shut Up And Race."
"Nuff Said.
Peace, Out.
Guru Biker Trash
Back then it was 'run what ya brung!'. It wasn't cheating, it was innovation. Now ya have to use NHRA-approved parts, which means ya gotta buy them from V&H/Suzuki. If V&H sees you as a threat like Matt Smith, they simply won't sell you parts. Out of stock, back-ordered.
@@aakar88..... Most of them. 18 World Championships... and more innovations than you can count. T/F would Not be what it is today.... IF even still a class, were it not for "Big".... aka, "Large Father".
NHRA added weight to Bob Glidden's Mopar running a smallblock that no one ran before. This happened very quickly.
@@deannishizaki1251 Was unaware Bob Glidden ran a MOPAR. I always remember him running a FORD.
red fuel ? Rofl . It take air fuel and fire to make an engine run . People often do not fully pay attention to this . Bha i already know this ! DO YOU?
This damn NHRA race today ( Sonoma) was rigged !! V&H lost that race on purpose !! Pro stock motorcycle is dead .
hes 2-3 mph faster then everyone. Thats flat out hp so theres no ways everyones getting equal parts.
It's pronounced root 66
If they’re dominating so much it’s time for some added weight!
Time for everyone to step up.
crybaby Matt Smith
Hobby racers need to step up.
Just can't quit that wrestling shit.
Looks rigged to me.
v twin do it the way they always done it lol . I guess they need to start looking at odd tiop that do not make sense .
suzuki ? Ya , it's legit . It's tips from motogp suzuki highest class , before suzuki left motogp
You or right not look good for nhra
fixed