BEST GAMING KEYBOARD! Wooting 60HE Review & Apex Pro Mini Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ค. 2024
- Review of the Wooting 60HE along with a comparison to the apex pro mini. The 60HE is a pretty big improvement over the full sized Two HE and my new main keyboard (shocking)
Wooting 60HE- next.wooting.io/wooting-60he
Steelseries Apex Pro Mini amzn.to/3ApvMzb (amazon aff link)
These are some of the fastest keyboards on the market, but wooting is much more feature packed for a similar price. If you play fortnite tho, there wont be a massive difference and the apex pro mini has better availability.
0:00 Intro
0:45 Fortnite Comparison
1:45 Features
4:25 Quality/Sound Test
5:15 Apex Pro Mini Comparison
8:11 Conclusion
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I’ve been waiting for this all day bro
I also believe that you can still customize the wooting with diff cases, keycaps, change the stabs, it’s “hotswap” and also I think that you can change the springs, but not the stem since the magnet is inside the stem of the switch. You can do lots with industry leading tech.
HOLY the camera qual, thank you for blessing my eyes today boardzy
Will you be getting the lighter springs or keep the stock ones on? Great review on it btw
the tap arrow keys are so convenient. I have the Anne Pro 2 which has the same feature and I use it all the time outside of gaming.
I saw your short on this and had to come and watch the full video. ❤
Appreciate it
your content is amazing keep it up man!
When it comes down to the springs it’s all personal preference. I personally like to feel like I’m hitting the key when I’m playing a game like fortnite. With the apex pro tkl I was having issues wondering if I even hit the key when I would die
In the middle of a workout rn but i know this vid gonna be good
Boardzy do you have problems with your focal clears creaking?
I like how with wooting you can replace the case
I ordered this back in Oct 2021, forgot about it, this video just reminded me of that, shocking revelation 😱
I'm currently on my 3rd apex pro mini in 2 weeks and still received a board with firmware issues. At least all the keys work on this one. been chatting back and forth with SteelSeries to get it resolved for the second Time in two weeks with no resolve yet. I did pre order a Wooting 60HE after seeing good reviews on it so hopefully that board will resolve my issues because SteelSeries is not cutting it at all for a $240 board.
The ZV-E10 camera might be the best investment you've done for this channel, Holy Crispness.
Edit: The moment Wooting releases a 75% version of their keyboards with a knob i'll consider them but 60% is a big no for me, i use the FN keys way to much outside of games (and even in some games too).
Damn $700 Doesnir come with a lens?
@@ACE112ACE112 i had to buy a $400 lens too
But the Wooting has a Mod Tap feature that makes arrow keys essentially useless. at 3:42 even Boardzy explains how to use arrow keys without the FN key. Also personally, from using a GMMK pro, the knob is very useless and mostly there for aesthetics purposes. You can just set a key to turn down volume or just turn down volume on my headset instead.
same i need a 75% or full no 60 for sure
agree
edit: agree to both of them for clarification
Woot Woot! Great Review, a detailed SteelSeries Apex Pro mini vs Wooting 60HE video would be awesome. Battle of the hall effect gaming keyboards!
So can you use them on games like forza to adjust how much the wheels turn depending on how hard you press the keys
needed a proper comparison on this w review
Just reviewed this board as well! Definitely like it :D
I need them "extra features fo mah dollah". Lowkey might buy it tho, very good review thanks man.
Hey Boardzy I want to get an artisan hien but maxgaming EU only has mid and xsoft in stock which would u reccommend or would i be better holding out to see if they eventually restock a soft I play fingertip thanks.
Xsoft if you want some squish, mid if you want a firm faster pad
What monitor arm do you have?
Wooting is also build to last longer. They use really high quality pcb components. Just change keycaps and case and you have gold.
The speed on the auto zoom on your camera is kinda insane
“I’m not going to change the case” does the Blade 60 ring a bell?
Has anyone found a way to use this with Halo MCC?
It’s so weird but when you put ur mic to close to the wooting it makes a beep tone 4:45 I had to change me mic position because of this
Mine just got here. I got the ARM version and it took like 6 months. Very cool keyboard
boardzy, can u review steelseries prime neo noir mouse plz🥺🥺
I LOVE THAT BLESSED MOUSE!!
bro camera quality lookin crazy good now, i would just say get a ount for a overhead angle or smt
From what I’ve heard they only have the lighter springs available as themselves and you have to open your switches and swap out the springs yourselves. I have asked them about producing switches with the lighter springs but they said they don’t have plans for that rn.
Since they are halleffect the switches should be very easy to open and changed the springs yourself since the keys aren’t soldered to the board.
They are only providing the springs to make people happy because hall effect keyboards need to use a special non magnetic spring. So modders can’t easily get their hands on lighter springs for the wooting.
In reality, Wootings heavier springs are ideal for 99% of users. The heavier springs are necessary to allow for the analog feature of the switches. The heavier springs really don’t hurt competitive gamers because of adjustable actuation point and rapid trigger. The heavier weight also helps prevent misclicks when running a low actuation point.
I assume they could have done testing and thought 60g was the best, but heavier springs are not needed for the Hall effect switches to function. The apex pro mini proves that. You could argue that its necessary to minimize miss clicks, but you’ll get used to it. If you want something heavier stay away from a “gaming” keyboard. Who knows the competitive impact of 60g vs 45g springs, but I’d want 45g for peace of mind lol. I’ve tried 35g and 68g switches and I’d say a range of 40-50 is best for a competitive keyboard.
@CrankyManager youre right thanks for the correction. I think boardzy got that wrong too?
@@FearlessP4P1 they aren't heavy at all, just not as light on the apex
@@FearlessP4P1 The Apex Pro Mini doesn't prove anything, that keyboard doesn't have analog functionality. Also, the spring weight is misleading. Yes its 60g to bottom out the switch but the actuation point isn't at the bottom of the switch. There are many different spring designs and depending on the manufacturer they will operate differently, a 60g spring might only take 10g of force to depress a key 1mm, and a 40g spring might take 15g to depress 1mm. In that hypothetical scenario, the 60g spring is better competitively if the actuation point is set to 1mm. Spring typically are easy to depress at the top and get harder to press the more compressed they get. The only potential negative you could derive from the spring weight is if you think that 60g would be fatiguing from bottoming out the keys. However one could also argue that over time the heavier bottom out will strengthen you fingers and improve the speed it takes for you to hit the actuation point and the rate of fatigue will equalize when you body gets used to it and builds some muscle. You could also argue that with rapid trigger that the user should learn to stop bottoming out every key. I assume you weren't talking about fatigue though, and just about light springs being faster and more accurate feeling.
Okay So question
What would happen if I bought a bunch of Lecker switches, and installed them into a hot swap board?
I was also able to snag a BNIB Apex Pro Mini Wireless for $100 from a Tech Industry worker who reviews products Haha.
For $100, absolute steal.
I would have purchased the Wooting but don’t want to wait until September :(
is that the Saturn pro?
i just got my saturn today, its not laying flat
I haven't watched the review. How many hz? And can you switch it (500/1000)?
Not related to keyboards but how long does it take you to get used to a new mouse? I switched from the xm1r to the GPX about a week ago and have some wrist discomfort so not sure if it’s the shape being a problem or just me getting used to a new mouse.
I would say give it a solid week before judging it
Anyone know if they’re planning on making a 75% version of this?
That's what i'm waiting on honestly
Can anyone help me? The apex pro mini is 10k inr in India more than the Wooting but idk which to get. Idc about shipping time btw
I get my Wooting 60HE any week now. Been pre-ordered since November. And will say, They're weekly live stream are pretty cool. They are humble and awesome guys
@@imboomzy well it was in group buy essentially
now its in preorder
itll probably be in stock eventually
they arent a big company like steelseries
@@imboomzy they basically did a kickstarter first, so by waiting he is getting a huge discount on the keyboard I think it was $30 cheaper to pre-order it.
The Wooting guys have always planned to keep the keyboard in stock, so other than supply chain issues or insane demand, normal people should be able to buy it directly from Wooting sometime within the next year.
By comparison there is one other hall effect keyboard project called Input Club’s Keystone that announced and took preorders 3 years ago and it hasn’t been produced yet.
The pandemic really screwed up lots of companies, the price of components going through the roof due to lack of supply. Wooting said their microcontroller went up to $100, obviously it would be impossible for them to make a keyboard if just one part cost $100. They moved to a new microcontroller and are rewriting their code for it.
The wooting guys are really great, they are refreshingly transparent with updates, telling exactly whats happened, everytime there has been a hiccup, as well as even telling people when they finally became stable enough as a company to finally start paying theirselves.
Wooting is definitely a company worth supporting, and it doesn’t hurt that they also make a good product.
See bro i want one but that’s way to long of a wait
@@WARnTEA Couldn't have said it any better
@@AyveeAP he only waited so long because he pre ordered it as soon as possible. It'll be in stock soon and probably wont take nearly as long.
Do you think the wrist wrest would help or just use without it ?
Does it work with ipad
Do you have a new camera? This video looked better quality
Yeah Ive been using this cam for a few weeks now
@@boardzy what camera and lens?
@@boardzy wooting HE would be better for rhythm games
camera
camera
I cme from TikTok to this Video. Please make more of this stufe it would be nice
Damn the new camera is so crispy
Legend reviewing legend
How do I connect it to Xbox?
I have the apex mini pro and on the backside, after almost 2 years, it builds a concave bump, which causes the keyboard to open in the middle and other issues. So I'm buying a Wooting now.
the video we needed but didnt deserve 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
i want something liek a 75 percent or a tkl
Does the wooting keyboard charge you right when u make the purchase? or does it charge you when the board is actually being shipped to you?
When you pre order
Are you getting the glorious series one pro
Still thinking about it
So as of now (9/1/2022) the apex pro mini (wired) is going for $160. Is it worth getting it with this deal or is it best to just pre-order the wooting 60he? I would also like to swap the case and I know that’s possible for the wooting, but I’m sure if it’s the same for the apex pro mini.
How much for it
awesome video, but would rapid trigger help with faster edits with edit on release off in fortnite? if you think about it, makes sense
is Wooting 60HE gonna come out on shop or just on their website?
I have an HyperX Alloy Origins 60 and the spacebar bugged me out (you wasn't lying about it lol)! Does the wooting have a decent and stable one? thx
Depends what you class as 'decent' - for Me the 60HE is the best out of the box experience that I've had. The pre lube is very good and overall the board does have a nice sound to it. I do plan on lubing all the switches and everything again anyway but not because they sound or feel bad, Hand lubing switches always feel and sound better imo
@@hadd0w830 my origin spacebar is rattly and not that stable! This interfere directly with n the game I play (if a change the space bar to a letter keycap the problems resolves but isnt a viable solution)! The spacebar on my anne pro is much more stable for comparision :)
Review black shark mako m1 please
the hump on the starlight 👀
Impressive, I wait till they drop a 75%. No bells, no whistles, no knobs, just a plain 75% form factor.
does anyone know if i can buy wooting 60he with cashapp
please turn off auto focus on your camera and in post editing please change some of the color/shadow and saturation values to be a little darker/brighter and more vibrant
Please share the link for the keyboard.
It’s in the description
how you get smooth gameplay on fortnite? whats your nvidia control panel settings?
i have a question is it worth getting the apex pro mini wired version on console even though I can't change the actuation point?
no just get a cheap optical like a bloody keyboard or razer huntsman mini, i think analogue is the main selling point of apex pro
Get a pc lmaoaoa
@@curlyflac0 bro it's not that easy to get a fucking pc my guy I can't just get a pc for free
I'm gonna have to save up for one and that's gonna take a while so I would really like it if you don't talk about buying a pc so casually
@@jorgechacon926 lmao
How much?
I know you might be busy but I’ve been trying to find out if you can do it on the Anne pro 2 if not I’ll get the 60he
The apex pro is 150 on Amazon rn so considering it’s cheaper should I get the apex pro or the wooting
I ordered wooting 60 arm . can u take out the switches
You can but hall effect is different than a mechanical switch. You can only replace a hall effect switch with another hall effect switch.
Also to back up what Ajblue already commented - the board is a Hotswap board too meaning the switch will just pull from the PCB
If they did a tkl or preferably a squeezed 75% it would be perfect. 60% is a no go for me for gaming and day to day use
Just have a dedicated gaming keyboard and one for everything else.
@@Definitely_Melnyx that’s not very convienet or very cost effective
@@Futurisu stop being poor
@@mel-ju7kp Ok sure but did I ask?
@@Futurisu stop being poor
is there a feature to have a half press be one action and a full press be another action?
Yeah dynamic keystroke is this+more I explained it more in my original wooting two HE review
Yes, there is modtap, which makes tapping a key do one thing, and bottoming out do another thing without the first
There is also dynamic keystroke aka dks. It let's you bind different inputs to the initial press, bottom out, lifting from the bottom and complete release of the switch. This can be useful for binding animation cancels to one button in games like overwatch and apparently people use it for edit in fortnite (yuck)
@@neonoir__ so 4 inputs in 1 key press?
@@ACE112ACE112 up to, yes. Fully customizable, for example you can use f13-f24 keys and bind things to them to avoid conflicts. You can use mod tap or dks on 20 keys total maximum, assuming it's a technical limitation, but i don't see anyone needing more.
@@neonoir__ is f13-f24 like having extra mouse buttons? instead of limited to mouse 4 and 5, there are extra virtual keys?
What do you mean by arrow movement ? Isn’t it just w a s d , just got a bit confused
The springs are perfect, springs are chosen by the amount of feedback they have gotten. Why anyone wants to go with lighter springs makes no sense, 60g is perfect for control, and makes the analog feature usable. too light springs and gl using the analog feature, if u don't want to press the key all the way down.
Coming from Wooting One, I returned the Apex keyboard on day 1 of getting it. too light imo.
The Wooting two is in my opinion the best keyboard out there. and the 60 keyboard can easily be modded, as that was one of their goals to choose a standardized 60% layout and build it around there.
spring weight force is just preference, depends on what you're used to, gateron makes switches with springs as low as 30g bottom out, that means someone is buying them. Not everyone buys this keyboard for the analog feature alone, that's the last reason I would say, and even if you need to use analog, ligher springs don't make any difference on its usability if you're used to the force required to press it. It's like driving someone else's car
I hope Wooting will make a Wooting One HE because I have the original kb and would be pretty good have the 2 versions for collection (anyways I already preorder the 60HE ARM version xd)
I'd like to see a low profile lekker switch
Have you been maining the viper v2 pro?
do you have a new Camara the Quality is fire
Yes
Getting the ARM version of Wooting 60HE hopefully near the end of the September.
Is there a big difference between the ARM and AVR version ?
@@MrHdrk6 ARM= longer software support + possibly less latency(faster mcu) but even avr beat any other 1khz keyboard.
@@MrHdrk6 vaguely speaking, it's more powerful than the AVR MCU which leaves more room for advance features such as DKS.
Okay thanks for the info guys 🙏🏼
@@ezioauditore1588 It shouldn’t have less latency. ARM and AVR are both built on RISC, the main difference is that AVR is a proprietary microcontroller produced by one company, and due to that it is limited to 32bit and in total memory capacity, because microcontrollers have everything including memory apart of its package. ARM by contrast is produced by many people and it is a Microprocessor meaning that memory has to be connected to it externally. However ARM can do 64bit and can connect a lot of memory for cheaper.
The main difference is that the ARM version of Wooting will have more memory, meaning that they will have more space for custom keybinds. Thats it.
Keyboards aren’t complicated. They don’t need more powerful microchips. Thats why most keyboards have stuck with AVR. The only reason the industry is moving to ARM is because they are becoming cheaper than AVR.
are they releasing a tkl version soon
Not soon. Right now they are switching microcontrollers over to ARM and are rewritting all of their code for it., they gave 60he buyers the choice of getting their keyboard now or waiting for the ARM version. They predict that their code should be ready sometime by the end of the year. The reason they are switching is that they can’t get supply of the old microcontroller and the prices have gone way up due to the pandemic.
So a TKL version is at least a year away. I assume they will release a TKL version eventually since their first keyboard was TKL.
rapid trigger is good for editing builds in fortnite so i'd put rapid trigger only on my edit bind
Is this hotswappable
in case the one mech keyboard stats double clicking ?
Only hot swappable for their switches but not with other switches. So yes’nt. Which is unfortunate. Would love to see them make a pcb that is 5pin hot swap and works with other switches
Is there any other keyboard that’s close to this speed for a lower price?
@@joe5706 guess I have to save up
i would really love if wootings delivery system was faster if it was i would buy it
There is The the Wooting two he full size same keyboard just bigger
i would do DISGUSTING things for a wooting 2 tkl with the updated lekker switches, the 60he looks so sick but i’m kinda bored of the 60% layout after a year and a half with the ducky one 2 mini
It sucks that Steelseries software isn’t good enough yet, but the Apex Pro might be worth looking into. Its a tkl with a volume knob and an oled screen, it has hall effect switches with adjustable actuation point. The only negative is no analog (which most games don’t support anyway), and no Rapid Trigger.
@@WARnTEA yeah im thinking about buying an apex pro tkl but wooting just seems sooo sick with some of their features + im supporting a smaller more passionate company rather than a meh tech giant like steelseries. apex pro tkl looks like itll get me like 95% of the way there tho so ill prob buy one and if the fateful day comes where wooting make an updated tkl ill sell it or something.
Doesn’t 60 grams feel too heavy for fn the switch weight and the looks truns me of soo i am gonna stick with the apex pro
It’s 60grams to bottom it out. It actuates with less force. Like I said it’s just a bit heavier feeling in game, but there’s nothing wrong with staying on the apex pro
For me not at all but it’s kind of a personal thing I guess
They have a 30g spring addon at checkout which is lighter than steelseries. If anyone has had the OG Razer Huntsman TE V1 that has 40g springs it feels similar to that. Apex pro is 45g in comparison which is the standard actuation force for cherry reds as well
if only they made a 75% version
i predicted the whole video, wow
I need a full sized keyboard tho😭 is the Two HE really less gud?
Nah the two HE has the same features and performance, just the larger layout which
now it's time to wine like a 2 year old until you make a Saturn Pro mousepad review
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happy 4th to you to my good sir
Is wooting 60he really worth 200 euro? Seems a lot for a keyboard and it is not even full size. Wouldn't smaller size like 60% be cheaper?
@@joe5706 I thought it would be cheaper due to less materials used to make a smaller one. But I already bought the wooting 60he, as I actually prefer smaller size over full-size. I want a upgrade from my razer blackwidow ultimate 2014 I've had for 8 years. And I figured this keyboard would be perfect for games such as Valorant. I could really use the extra room for my mouse and pad.
@@joelh.7920Worth the money mate? I considered pulling the trigger my razer keyboard with orange switches I won on eBay is starting to piss me off.
Hey dude how r u? 🌹
Please can u give me ur opinion about the DeathAdder V2 ? I wanna buy it, Is it worth the money? and how good is it?❤️
It will be better if u make a review on it 🌹🙏
What’s the name of it?
it’s in the title of the video
Really wish Wooting had come out with a 65% formfactor instead.
Personally you wouldn't need the 65% as the features such as Dynamic Keystroke or ModTap allow for the use of the arrow keys and mod keys on one of the two function keys. For instance my ModTap allows two actions to one key; tap for action1 and hold for action2 - arrow keys are on 'tap' right shift, function, ctrl and menu where holding them causing them to act as their normal keys
75 best. Love those close F keys.
I'm super happy it's 60 percent. They made the PCB compatible to custom 60% cases so modding the 60he is honestly a breeze. I moved mine into a custom case 15 minutes after opening the box, it's glorious
@@hadd0w830 absolutely true and keycaps have the same form factor with most keyboards unlike 65% models where the shift key is smaller
This is a really wholesome product but as a third party country is hard to get this since our salary here is 5 or 4 times smaller ...
How do you make money to afford all of the mice and keyboards you have?
He legit said the wooting 60he was sent out to him for review.
he still buys new mice every week or does he not?
@@nailer5350 I don't keep up with him, but I believe by law he has to state if a company sent him a product for review. Buying computer peripherals is his content, so if he's buying a mouse for $80 than that's his budget for a video. He probably makes that money back via ad revune from TH-cam and then some afterwards. If he didn't buy computer peripherals then there would be no content to generate income.
@@Orion-redx7 ok thanks for filling me in
But the Wooting for fortnite should be 10 times better cuz you can set your building keys all on one key with the dynamic keystrokes…..
its really good vs great
Doesn’t such a low actuation point just force you to hover your entire hand above the keys, instead of being able to rest your hand on your desk?
What mic do you use?
Is there a tkl version?