mobo PCB Breakdown: MSI Prestige X570 Creation
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The tangential ramblings and stories are why I love your content. I learn something new almost every video.
I've been waiting for this review for a looong time, thank you for the hard work.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH DETAILED REVIEW.
You get a like and a subscriber dude.
Hey Buildzoid, just wanted to thank you for your recent AM4 MOBO breakdown video. I'm gonna be purchasing a 3700X in a couple weeks (waiting for Black Friday since Microcenter usually has great deals), and your video really helped me get informed as to which MOBO's to look out for. Thanks again and keep up the great work.
If you wait a couple of weeks you will have missed Black Friday.
I like the personal touch of writing/scribbling during the videos. Hope you decide to keep doing it.
oh I'll still do that for pointing out things. I could just pull up a chart with all the effic numbers.
I'm 7 minutes and 50 seconds in, and you're rambling on about the second 8-pin slot...
WHY have I never seen your content before! Subscribed, I love this.
I like your writing and content. It's like a mad scientist all over the place, i love it... my brain works like that, it's like you're speaking my language and it's oddly soothing.
I picked this board because the number of USB ports on the back. I am a little worried about the lack of BIOS flashback.. But in my experience motherboard attached USB is so much more reliable then USB expansion cards.
appreciated thanks a lot due to my needs it's one of the few I considered..but now the TRX40 are upon us..not sure what I will do only a few hours left before TR reviews
Seriously BuildZoid, the ramblings are part of your channel. Some of the things you suddenly realize while doing reviews, overviews and overclocking is, to be quite frank, really important.
A table pop up with the vrm specs would be great.
I would even like to see the data viewable in a link. I grab a screen shot sometimes for reference.
Hey Buildzoid, I saw your z390 dark bios guide and you said the board adjusts memory timings very well on auto. Does this apply to the x299 dark as well?
I was really strongly considering this motherboard for all the expansion slots, it's too bad to hear about the lack of flashback AND dual BIOS, I think that's a deal breaker for me. Thanks for doing all these videos BZ!
All boards should have at least bios flashback , it's very cheap to implement
Even my cheap b550 board has bios flashback.
The table makes sense
Do all MSI X570 boards use the extra 8/4 EPS Pin for PCIe power or is it just the Prestige that does that? I can't seem to find any more info regarding this.
Buildzoid, Would you call non doubler power delivery a power stage instead of a power phase
damn I have to thank you again, I totally skipped the 24pin cable 90° mounting, my case can take e-atx (barely) but that extra length would go from yay to nay
the rest of the video was still useful as I wondered how MSI handled amd VRM cooling (onto the TRX40 MSI creator then)
Does this board support a graphics card in the top PCI express 16x slot at 4.0 with running the M.2s all populated at 4.0 speeds. So if you have the two M.2s filled on the board one straight to the cpu at 4.0 and one running through the chip set at 4.0. Then you add in the expansion card with both slots populated. In slot "5" or the second PCI express slot down. Will these run at 4.0 speeds or will they be sharing the 4.0 speed across the two M.2s in the expansion card or can you split the 8x lane to two 4x lanes in the BIOS? Will the top PCI express slot drop down to 8x when doing any of this?
ty mate
Now I am intersted in... how does this behave with 4*16gb memory... how bad it does get?
It seems to be really good candidate to rendering workhorse pc... with a lot of memory.
Ha, Ha! Finally! I've been patiently waiting for you to cover this specific board so I could learn more about it. I do have this MB. I was hoping that you'd get around to discussing the PCIe lanes, specifically if you use the Expander card with a fully populated NVMe of 2 on the board and 2 installed in the card. My question was, does this take out some of the lanes and gimp the graphics card, say down to 4 or 8 lanes instead of whatever?
after 10months+ after owning that motherboard, do u feel u did a great job buying it ? i would like to buy one but idk yet if this is the one
It depends on your processor.
This board provides 16 lanes, so Board Lanes + Processor Lanes will determine if you get a nerf or not; if you're still using a 2000 series, likely so since they only provided 12 available lanes from the processor (16 for GPU + 16 for four m.2 drives < 12 Processor and 16 Mobo) but with 3000 or 5000 series processors, you break even.
The Motherboard width is 272mm and height 305mm. For those who want to know and have problems with cases like me 😅
Just got this board on sale and picked up BZ's favorite patriot 4400 kit, waiting for new XT chips to launch and I'll be good to go for pwning intel! Hopefully the new XT chips can achieve higher IF clocks, it would be amazing to get a 2066mhz infinity fabric!!!
Oh, yeah, thank you!
So where does the gpu draw the power from? I would like to know. And what mobo do you advice for my 3800x? Atm im on a gigabyte b450m ds3h but looking for something better.. and was looking at this board, but after this video im not sure.
mellowbug GPUs have their own vires that come directly from psu. They can draw 75w from pci slot and the rest comes directly from psu.
i have this motherboard and been pretty happy with it and have it pair with 64GB of dominator platinum RGB kit they where 3466CL16 was able to OC them to 3600CL16 on a temp 3700X cant wait until i get my 3950X and see if i can OC them higher when it release in a couple of days :)
What are the most notable diferences between this and ASRock X570 Creator?
I mean this is e-atx so one would assume they would be able to cram in more features but this doesn't have thunderbolt 3 while asrock does.
asrock has less phases but that doesn't matter as far as I know.
asrock also has bios flashback.
so...............
so I'm not sure you're looking at a motherboard right, which peripherals/nvme/sata drives and pcie cards do you plan to use (plus margin) make a list of all you need/want then download the manuals and check everything I listed above, devil is in the details, lots of motherboards have nvme sharing lanes with SATA (-2 sata ports) and some have really stupid placements (the one nvme slot sharing lanes is the one where anyone would put his drive and the ones standalone are right under or above the hot gpu >
I have this board in the cupboard. Had issues with it from day one.
Got the meg ace max when I had to send it back.
Never used it again. Cant sell it either.
I just bought the unify. And cancelled the aorus b550 master... Now I have to decide which cpu.. 3700 or 3900.. lot wait for 4X00...
Thanks for this, I picked this one up on launch and feel like I might be one of only a handful of people that did the same - like MSI's x570 expensive stepchild... It's hard to find info the board for troubleshooting and MSI's customer service literally told me at one point, I'd probably have better luck comparing notes on Reddit because they didn't have all the answers... Fun. I did buy this board for the rear IO, it was between this or the Hero 8 - And when everything works, it's a great board, it really is - stay away from their software though. On launch, the board was a complete mess and I ended up pulling Windows back to last year's edition just to get compatibility, but MSI has been fairly quick to put out patches too so it's not all bad. I only recently updated Windows back up to 1903 and finally, everything seems pretty stable. Their main Bios updates tend to break things and cause BSOD issues for me, but their beta bios patches have been pretty solid so far. My setup is pretty standard for a professional video editing rig, sans the ram and honestly, after watching this, that might be part of my issue. Currently, I'm running 4x16 gskill ripjaws, cl14 at 3200, no boot issues, and everything seems fine most of the time, but occasionally I get some odd behavior and the 4x16 config might be the problem. My previous Ryzen 1800x rig ran 32gigs (2x16), but certain applications really stressed that out so I decided to go higher this round... I don't know, maybe Ryzen isn't really ready for 64gigs despite the claim it could run up to 128gigs.
Also worth noting I am running a temp 3800x since I've been waiting for the 3950x, maybe that will make a difference, maybe not. Performance has been decent but under expectations. Next time I build a new rig, it'll probably be a thread ripper - but for the best cost to performance with x570, this board, a 3950x, decent GPU, and a ton of NVMe/SATA SSD's/SATA HD's... You can't really go wrong here.
I also bought this board a couple of weeks back. Just got my 3900x delivered yesterday, so have not been able to put it together yet. Have you tried to up the ram speed to 3600 or 3800? I think since you have 3200mhz cl14 memory, this is almost 100% a b-die kit and should be able to overclock to at least 3600 with cl16.
Uros Petrovic pretty sure it is a B-Die kit as well, and that was reflected in the compatibility list :) I haven’t tried an OC over spec yet though, mainly because I’ve been waiting for more compatibility updates for better stability. It’s pretty good now, but when I first built it at launch, Windows 10 1903 (fresh license and install) gave me 5-6 different kinds of BSOD crashes, indicating hardware compatibility issues so I had roll it back to 1809 just to get a working system. Early adopter to x570 was bad enough, but buying a high end non main stream board has had a whole set of drawbacks... most support I could readily find was on the Ace or Godlike, didn’t feel like the Creation was a major concern. As for the RAM OC, stability is the key for me since I use my system to make money and c14 3200 rates pretty favorably to 3600 c16 in overall performance. Once I get the 3950x in there - my intended CPU, I’ll start trying to push the system more though. Good luck with your build!
@@kokainski21 I have this board too with a 3900x and 2x8GB Ram 3800mhz cl16. It runs really stable with also FCLK 1900mhz and PBO set to Mainboard Limits. The latest Bios Version 16 has a strange bug for me when setting PBO to Advance and maxing out the limits, the CPU freq gets stuck in Windows at 900mhz. Btw my Ram is Samsung B-Die, G.skill Ripjaws V 3600mhz cl16.
Yeah. This is nice board and yeah the software was really bad in the Beginning! Last 6 month it has been really good and no problems anymore, but the start was bumpy...
The size can be problem. I have Be silent 900 rev2 and it was somewhat hard to get this board to fit that case with all the vires... you can so it, but going for custom vires it could be reasonable option in this case.
haukionkannel I put in a 3950x last December, and once I figured out the bios adjustments, it’s been rick solid since :) Great board overall, that was probably a bit over priced considering. Sadly I’ve only seen it recently for completely price gouged prices... Honestly I didn’t realize when I built an x570 system last summer how small that market was going to be.
17:20 yeah, sounds like a good idea. Or at least have a standard table that you can then just fill out instead of writing it all
Yeah baby
He should make a blank spreadsheet template in gdocs, and then just have it open so he could really quickly plug the figures into a nice neat little table for every video.
I don't know, I'm sort of used to him writing them out and commenting as he goes. I think the table template is a good idea, but I don't want to miss out on the comments (and occasional ramble) in between.
Agreed with Sam, I don't want to miss out on the BZ ramblings and rants that the shorter vid time would create from having 'convenient' charts ready to go.
Or just use the Text tool and type the numbers / paste them from a Notepad file.
I'm building with this board now - not sure if I can update bios from a usb without cpu installed to get ryzen 5000 compatibility. Should the "msi.rom" method work?
More than a little late, but afaik you need a 3000 series processor to update BIOS for use with a 5000 series processor.
How do you flash the bios with USB on this motherboard? I’m building with a 5000 series CPU and don’t have a second CPU to get it up and running with.
You don't.
You have to update BIOS with a 3xxx CPU, then install the 5xxx processor.
Bought one last night with a 3950x... Fingers crossed its a wise purchase. :)
Same here 🙂
Happy with purchase?
Yes 👍
@@false-set Sure am. Got all cores running steady at 4.6 so gotta be pleased with that. Renders my videos quick smart and i've seen little to no negative effects in my games.
@Daeori WOW awesome! I’m building a desktop for the first time instead of buying a laptop, waiting for the rtx 3080/3090 to come out first.
I couldn’t decide on whether to get the 3900x it the 3950x but I think you just sold me on it!
Just gotta save a little extra colourful dollarydoos for the motherboard and cpu. Maybe a nice noctua cooler.
I appreciate the response! I’m pretty excited for my first build.
@28:55 "is there anything on the back I might have missed?" Yeah, why's the 3rd x16 slot pinned x8 vs x4? What's the functionality behind that? They have 4 boards like this, is it a usable x8 slot via chipset, instead of x4 dur to x570 chipset?
It's pinned x8 for the Expander Card (two m.2 drives times four PCIe Lanes each equals x8.)
@@digitalis2977 but the manual diagram shows the expander card in the middle PCIe slot, not the bottom.
@@scottstamm7022 Just some forward compatability.
Remember, this board was designed when 1.) GPU makers were getting chubs at the idea of triple-slot graphics cards, and 2.) SLI/Crossfire hadn't been taken for one last walk in the woods.
Buy a $500 motherboard and two 2080ti's and then discover that you can either SLI *OR* have two additional m.2 drives and it's somebody's ass...
I can't figure out what monoblock would be compatible with this board! can anyone help?
No duel bios/ flashback!?🤯 I can't remember the last time I owned a motherboard that didn't have some protection, it's over a decade...
Got mine today. Haven't built it yet. Soooo is it a great/good or a ok board for the money? I Have a 3900x Nvidia 2080ti FE. 32gb Corsair vengeance pro rgb 3600mhz. 2-1TB Sabrent Gen 4 M.2. Cooling with a Cosair H100i V2. 6 Corsair ll20 RGB fans. Hope its a great board. BTW I won't be Ocing at all. I feel.no need to Oc only for a few frames increase in gaming only to decrease life of everything.
This board is great so far. I got a similar build like yours with 64gb 3600mhz ram kit, and I run on air cooling. At the beginning MSI had some problems with releasing bios on time and some versions were quite buggy but the latest ones have been stable for me and I've ran this build almost 24/7 since last september and no issues. My 3900x is on auto boost, no manual all core overclock, only overclocked my 2080ti slightly and it's more than good enough for any gaming or streaming.
@@versaleyang I built mine a few days ago inwas getting high temps on my cpu. Cinebench I was popping 95-107c bit in games it would only reach about 60-70c still hot. But I said wtf let me try my stock cooler big big difference. I'm only getting up to 80 on Cinebench, sometimes not even that. Games like div2 and madden are between 55-62c
@@chadmiller756 Don't buy into the hype of AiO coolers, as long as you have good case airflow, a potent air cooler is way better than a mediocre AiO (H100i isnt that great).
Pcie design is very important to be able to oc the graphics card. On a badly designed motherboard you can't do just about any oc, or you can do the cpu but not the graphics card. Msi seems to be much better than Gigabyte from my experience of a few graphics cards and mobos. I keep trying to go to Gigabyte components but get problems, so then returning them for a refund and went for Msi again.
Last year tried upgrading gpu to Gigabyte gtx1080, that stopped working within a week, so returned and bought EVGA instead. This year tried upgrading my old Msi mobo to z390 Gigabyte Master, which didn't allow much oc on gpu, so returned it and tried Gigabyte Xtreme mobo instead, same problem so returned it too. Instead went for Msi Godlike mobo that was a returned item by another buyer, so only cost £360 and works very nicely
9:56 - you might buy 10Gig expansion cards... well yeah. The motherboard with it retails for £419 in UK and cheapest standalone Aquantia card is £342, the cheapest other 1+Gig cars are still over a £100 and we talking 2.5Gig here not 10. In short - if you want 10Gig LAN in 2020, then the only option is to get one built in.
The 8 pin normally splits into A 4 pin
They should put the post code display in the IO panel. I'd gladly give-up two of those USB ports.
Kinda makes me wonder how many times the mobo makes you swear, definitely have to check it out.
It should be rather obvious IMO as I literally just substitute the F-word with freaking.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking FFFFreaking awesome!
The one and only X 570 that has a PCI express slot layout that I want is of course 500 dollars.
I had $60 Gigabyte boards with dual-bios.
Andrei Neacsu
just cheap flash chips, enough space on the board, cheap CPU too?
You never need it on cheap boards, or if your in to the Asian only Xeon i7 real Ebay CPU's?
Giga dual is joke
@@rsm4541 a bit short but still very true
@@rsm4541 I guess you are referring to Gigabyte the company's implementation of dual bios, which they were the first to provide. My last two boards were saved due to Gigabyte's dual bios. What are they doing wrong? Was I just lucky? Are you aware of a secret flaw?
@@davidfrisken1617 my maximus x apex have real dual bios + bios switch and etc. Giga bios not useful.
So, no TB3? That sucks.
such a good MOBO, no bios flash ...WTF
Both 8 connectors are optional extra power lanes for the PCIe slots only!
Which X570 msi is better? I will use a 3700x processor. Thanks.
HDMI port absent? How does a monitor hook up to this. I'm a noob...
Via a graphics card that you have to install in one of the motherboards PCI-E slots.
@@LoneWolfSparty ty
@@urblotasunkynewulf615 To tell you more details about the CPUs and why some motherboards have monitor outputs (hdmi, vga or dvi) and others don't.
This specific motherboard (x570 platform) in this video supports the AMD Zen 2 3000 series CPUs that have no graphics processing unit built in, so all visual processing must be done through a graphics card that's connected to the pci-e expansion.
Then you have the other type of CPU that are also called APU, these CPUs have built-in GPU modules along side the CPU die, basically a combo of both on 1 chip but they are usually very small and have weak performance compared to a dedicated graphics card for gaming. However since a gpu is already integrated in the CPU, motherboards that support these APUs can have video outputs already built in as well.
I hope this helped clarify some things for you.
@@versaleyang thank you
NewEgg is selling this $499. board for $779!!!!! Newegg has turned into a rip off operation.
Odd. I bought mine in the last month for $499.99
Being used to Asus firmwares - the firmware on this board looks like it was designed by a couple of 12 year olds...
Also using the M.2 expander while following their instructions on how to use it - you get a startup time of the board of 3-6 minutes from poweron to the bootloader and then another 3-6 minutes before the selected boot image is booted.
In essence it's useless.
Thank Wendell at Level1Techs.
That's how i found out about the extra 4 or 8pin powering the PCI-e on most of MSI's newer x570 motherboards. I thought it was useful info.
pog
How could you comment 22h hours ago time machine???
@hirSN 158 I know
@@Rainbow__cookie first exclusive on prime? now on open Googly TH-cam!
@@Rainbow__cookie Patreon early access. A couple of other guys like to try and get first comment, I think this is stupid and immature so I satirise it by participating, but telling myself it's ironic.
THIS BOARD IS A PILE. Usin the inbuilt RAID, if I have my RAID10 installed on sata, board will not boot from primary M.2. Unplug the 4x SATA HDD's and it boots fine. latest bios. Infuriating, my 1/3 price X570 tomahawk ran this configuration flawlessly
no no no, less BZ ramblings and rants with 'convenient' charts, I have mixed feelings about that. Maybe for GN content, here, ah, can I plee for a no? The ramblings are part of what I like about BZ breakdowns. Anything that makes BZ's life easier is a cool thing, I just don't know about not having the ramblings during scribbling them out.
horizontal 24-pin ♥ say no more. i like this because less stress
Horked
why you cry 24 power plug here? stressed? why care about that???
Also 5:10 you can't have more than 7 pci cards it's 7 slots there's at least most cases is 7
Maybe you can have 1 vertical
Test bench...
@@UltraDXSASC well yes but also why would you have 3 gpus
there are 8 and 9 slot cases
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking oh but not so common???
Finishing old stuff, 1st try recording, fasttalking videos, smart ideas about making the whole process handier. Wtf is happening here?
7:57 I do care wdym...
Well better late than never. Initially this board seemed awesome. 10G, 90 degree rotated 24pin and all USB 3.1 g2 ports at the back.
Unfortunately the reality was as it turns out that initial images had mislabeled some of the ports at the back so they are not 3.1 g2 but are either 3.0 or 3.1 g1. Bummer.
Plus it's missing some essential features at this price point like you pointed out. Also this board did very poorly in Hardware Unboxed testing. Perhaps MSI has since released BIOS updates that fix some of that but initially MSI was really slow at releasing BIOS updates for this board and the performance was worse than other X570 boards. If someone wants here's the video. Skip to 2:29 for the chart: th-cam.com/video/o2SzF3IiMaE/w-d-xo.html
Initially i intended to get this board but now im using X570 Aorus Master instead and im very happy because with the constant BIOS updates (atleast Gigabyte is quick on that front) having dual BIOS is a godsend. I can flash the newest BIOS and if something breaks or does not work i can flip a switch and be back at my previous BIOS.
BIOS Flashback, not needed, just erase it, stick boot.
You save options, so you can market it under other boards.
Who needs it? All my ROG boards do have it, i still buy ROG ASUS, need them, not i guess..... X99 ASUS deluxe II, X299 ROG Rampage. I need the better Thunderbolt 3 boards only. AMD never offers any options....games only? Not needing the incompatibility on Radeon or Zen here...Only needing Nvidia here, some PC or Mac Pro more then enough.
Wondering why there's such a huge bias towards AMD compared to Intel breakdowns and reviews on TH-cam, must be some dank sponsorship going on.
Maybe everyone is bored of the intel stuff
You Muppet
Year and all Nvidia boxes in the background, definitive shady sponsorship.
Lol
This video could have been 10 min long if you actually took the time to write down the main points and just stick to the points and not wander around and talk about everything that pops into your head while talking and getting sidetracked, then returning to the main topic on hand and repeating the same thing again. But good visual dissection of the board nevertheless ... waiting for this to arrive but the local dealer looks to be having problems with getting the board, RAM and CPU.
Way to many old USB A ports, not any thunderbolt 3? compatibility issues? Why the cheap I/O job? One front USB C and one on that back only???
Only for lower levels? Low Budget AMD builds?
Sure this is low budget only, but who needs to go this low?
1:49 ALOT OF USB just USB
Why does motherboards still have ps2 no one uses ps2
They should just include a USB to ps2 adapter in the box if you want to use ps2
There are
If it were up to you; My old high end PS/2 mouse that works perfectly fine would be made useless by the lack of a PS/2 port on a new motherboard generation, so that's why.
@@MarcABrown-tt1fp most people use USB tho
Emerald Blaze
RS 232 too, Asian needs, servers.... Boot...
@@lucasrem well the serial can be usefull
Please stop eating chocolate or candy before your videos. It's a common secret in all radio/audio productions in order to avoid making the audience curse you for swallowing saliva during the whole video...................
? You must be such a legend!
Pcie design is very important to be able to oc the graphics card. On a badly designed motherboard you can't do just about any oc, or you can do the cpu but not the graphics card. Msi seems to be much better than Gigabyte from my experience of a few graphics cards and mobos. I keep trying to go to Gigabyte components but get problems, so then returning them for a refund and went for Msi again.
Last year tried upgrading gpu to Gigabyte gtx1080, that stopped working within a week, so returned and bought EVGA instead. This year tried upgrading my old Msi mobo to z390 Gigabyte Master, which didn't allow much oc on gpu, so returned it and tried Gigabyte Xtreme mobo instead, same problem so returned it too. Instead went for Msi Godlike mobo that was a returned item by another buyer, so only cost £360 and works very nicely