I cannot imagine this being good for the cartilage between your vertebrae either. My mother got a slipped disk back in the late 80s from doing cashier work, which was this same rotational motion.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I suffer with low back issues and had a discectomy spring 2019. Since then I’ve been doing very light low back strengthening exercises and yesterday I was at the gym and I did some torso rotations. I am in a lot of pain right now and I’m so scared that I reaggravated my back. I’ll never do Torso rotations again! I’m so happy I found this video because I know it was the torso rotations that aggravated my back to be in so much pain. I’m trying to get in the best shape of my life right now and it’s so frustrating when you have a paperthin back that breaks that every twist turn or bending over. Do you have any advice on safer exercises and how I can heal so I can get back to the gym?
Yes! That makes sense. Thank you! We have an ab twist machine like that at the Fitness 19 in Menifee except you're on your knees twisting. Last time I used it i felt a stinging sensation on my spine. Couldnt figure out if it was due to poor posture or what but this answers my question. Gonna avoid that thing for good now. Thank you for the info! Yall saved my poor spine lol.
Wow, I think you just described what could be going on with my back. Like you mentioned in response to a previous comment, there are many contributors to LBP, but this seems spot on with my symptoms. And I don't work out at a gym. Thanks for all your helpful advice!
Make sense, but you didn't address other oblique exercises that involve rotating the waist like Russian Twist or oblique crunches when you doing a crunch to the side are those ok?
I did the machine and while it does stretches my lower back a lot I don’t feel any pain afterwards. Should I keep using it? I’ve experienced positive strength gains, but if it will hurt my back I won’t use it.
I have lumbar lordosis and spasm. Im on meds and on physio just getting deep tissue massaged before I can do stretch exercises. Back pain is the worse.
It is good that you are getting help with that. Back pain is indeed not fun, especially since SO many different things can contribute to it. It is very hard to pin point a single cause.....often it is multiple things
So no rotory torso machine, what about standard torso machine? It has you press your chest against pads hold bars and twist while on your knees? Will this one also cause long term pain?
I have been using the twisting exercise machine in the gym for the last 6 months but will stop now based upon your suggestion. Please provide a video rather than still shots. thanks
I was told to do this exercise after seeing a physio and then going on a "back on track course" followed by a course of exercises at the gym. Quality 🙄
Thank you! I'd see a doctor about that....as that can result in Spondylolisthesis over time. In particular, I'd see a physical therapist actually, as they'll know more about the musculoskeletal system than any doctor except an orthopedic surgeon
I was doing the torso rotation and couldn't figure out why I was getting excruciating lower back pain. Then it dawned on me. I hope I didn't screw anything up.
That can also cause issues, as now it's your upper body being kept still while your pelvis rotates. Those oblique twist machines are just bad in general! I also didn't mention in the video that your Lumbar Vertebrae aren't really made to twist like that, unlike your Thoracic Vertebrae, which can lead to a disc injury in the lower back
Hi, I'm sorry this isn't related, but recently I started seeing more fitness people on the social media use knee sleeves to squat with. Should a healthy person use knee sleeves to squat heavy even though they don't feel any pain when squatting? What do knee sleeves actually do for healthy knees? I've read they help for people with previous knee injuries, but what about people without any injuries, would it be better for the knees with or without when squatting heavy?
I think the main thing they can help with is proprioception and making you more aware of how your knee is moving. It can also provide extra support, but that could be a bad thing as well as it could mask pain you would get in your knees from using improper form. As for if one is better using or not using knee sleeves, that's up to the individual
I think it can be considered a safety net if you go heavy and do some wrong move.. if they are tight enough once I was doing a PR and got off balance for sec, I felt it pulling the knee cap in place.. for the obliques your telling us not to do *any* twisting motion? what about side bends? that's harsh
Hi. Thanks for your videos. In Pilates and yoga there are stretches which are the same as this but without using the machine. Do you also think they could be harmful?
Ahhh, you mean like laying with your back on the floor and rotating your body? That should be fine as long as you have no pain. This one is bad because it locks the pelvis or on other machines, the upper body into place. Then you are twisting and moving weight. So doing that repeatedly can stress the Multifidus and the Discs in your spine
I know this is an older video, however I just watched another vid where the Planet Fitness version on which you kneel and twist from waist to mis-chest was called out as causing serious potential injury. Similar your yours. Seems like both of you are saying any sort of twisting with weight is potentially problematic. Hard to know who, which, both are correct without someone with some medical background. Not saying you are wrong, just that there seems to be conflicting advice.
what abt the machine that you put your knees on and hold your chest againts a pad. you twist your knees to work the obliques. its essentially the opposite of this, is that unsafe too?
Ahhh, the one that rotates your pelvis while your upper body remains still? That's still pretty bad and can lead to the same issues. Also, I didn't mention that your Lumbar Vertebrae aren't really meant to twist like your Thoracic Vertebrae....so doing this exercise could potentially lead to a disc injury
Hi Jeff. Do you know anything about shin splints... I suffer with them A LOT. I'm trying to jog recently, but I can only jog for 10 seconds on a flat before I have to stop because of the pain. I'm using ice and some stretches at the moment. Anything I can do to get rid of them forever?
Indeed I do! I don't know about something to get of them forever, but I'd avoid anything painful....perhaps go to a physical therapist too to get evaluated. With Shin Splints, the Anterior Tibialis and/or Posterior Tibialis muscles can be affected. They may do particular massages on you, help you strengthen them, etc
Great Advice! I definitely love your spine advice💯 This helps alot for Longterm fitness lovers💪 No matter what, Keep Going Strong Brother!✊ You will make it on top💯
If you can keep your lower back pressed firmly on the mat or ground you are doing the exercise on, then it shouldn't be bad. Obviously if you have pain though, then don't do them
TH-cam is full of coaches giving you opposite advices, despite the fact that they didn't make it to the end of high school. Het a coach with a degree, listen to your body, and never do an exercise you do not want to. Every setist five you pleasure
i never recommend twisting machines, i never recommend twisting while holding a Plate in a pause the sit-up position. What enhances the problem is when you see Newbies doing this, people with weak untrained lower back strength doing this with the assumption they can spot reduce the Trunk area.
Sit ups are just a bad exercise all around! I agree, I think a lot of people assume they have more thoracic extension and thoracic control than they really do, and then they run into problems
The exercise advice this gentleman gives are very good because the movements are always natural and definitely work for me. Thank you
Thank you Amina, I appreciate the compliment! Glad you enjoyed the video!
I cannot imagine this being good for the cartilage between your vertebrae either. My mother got a slipped disk back in the late 80s from doing cashier work, which was this same rotational motion.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I suffer with low back issues and had a discectomy spring 2019. Since then I’ve been doing very light low back strengthening exercises and yesterday I was at the gym and I did some torso rotations. I am in a lot of pain right now and I’m so scared that I reaggravated my back. I’ll never do Torso rotations again! I’m so happy I found this video because I know it was the torso rotations that aggravated my back to be in so much pain. I’m trying to get in the best shape of my life right now and it’s so frustrating when you have a paperthin back that breaks that every twist turn or bending over. Do you have any advice on safer exercises and how I can heal so I can get back to the gym?
Thank you 🙏🏻 I really appreciate this video!
Yes! That makes sense. Thank you! We have an ab twist machine like that at the Fitness 19 in Menifee except you're on your knees twisting. Last time I used it i felt a stinging sensation on my spine. Couldnt figure out if it was due to poor posture or what but this answers my question. Gonna avoid that thing for good now. Thank you for the info! Yall saved my poor spine lol.
You can also do leg lifts while in a side plank to take the progression even further :)
Indeed, that can work too!!!
I love all your vids thank you for sharing your knowledge!
It's my pleasure Danielle!
Thank you for a dive but for now I gotta use it 😢 because it's the only way I can train abs got double arm injury
Fantastic ❤❤❤
Wow, I think you just described what could be going on with my back. Like you mentioned in response to a previous comment, there are many contributors to LBP, but this seems spot on with my symptoms. And I don't work out at a gym. Thanks for all your helpful advice!
That Multifidus muscle being too inhibited can certainly lead to a lot of problems! It's very overlooked though. Very glad to help you out!
Make sense, but you didn't address other oblique exercises that involve rotating the waist like Russian Twist or oblique crunches when you doing a crunch to the side are those ok?
yeah I used that machine and I heard the muscle and I got lower back pain.
I did the machine and while it does stretches my lower back a lot I don’t feel any pain afterwards. Should I keep using it? I’ve experienced positive strength gains, but if it will hurt my back I won’t use it.
I have lumbar lordosis and spasm. Im on meds and on physio just getting deep tissue massaged before I can do stretch exercises. Back pain is the worse.
It is good that you are getting help with that. Back pain is indeed not fun, especially since SO many different things can contribute to it. It is very hard to pin point a single cause.....often it is multiple things
So no rotory torso machine, what about standard torso machine? It has you press your chest against pads hold bars and twist while on your knees? Will this one also cause long term pain?
excellent vid!
Great info, thanks!
It's my pleasure!
thank you ~ makes total sense!
You are a gem 💎
I have been using the twisting exercise machine in the gym for the last 6 months but will stop now based upon your suggestion.
Please provide a video rather than still shots. thanks
I am glad to hear that, as there are many better exercises out there! In my next video, it shall have a live demo!
Thank you x
My pleasure!
My local gym have same machines!! Thanks for the advice bro 👍but wheat..why there's no biceps flexing today man? 😉✌️
It's my pleasure! Haha, I should've....usually I just run through the video in my head and just do 1 run through and that's that
I was told to do this exercise after seeing a physio and then going on a "back on track course" followed by a course of exercises at the gym. Quality 🙄
Informative as always! I have "Spondylolysis". Please give some advise on Do and Do not s on this issue. Thanks.
Thank you! I'd see a doctor about that....as that can result in Spondylolisthesis over time. In particular, I'd see a physical therapist actually, as they'll know more about the musculoskeletal system than any doctor except an orthopedic surgeon
I was doing the torso rotation and couldn't figure out why I was getting excruciating lower back pain. Then it dawned on me. I hope I didn't screw anything up.
Good points those machines injure people, free wheights and body weight !
What about the machine whereby you kneel instead and your pelvic rotates instead of your upper body?
That can also cause issues, as now it's your upper body being kept still while your pelvis rotates. Those oblique twist machines are just bad in general! I also didn't mention in the video that your Lumbar Vertebrae aren't really made to twist like that, unlike your Thoracic Vertebrae, which can lead to a disc injury in the lower back
Any videos on Edema
Hi, I'm sorry this isn't related, but recently I started seeing more fitness people on the social media use knee sleeves to squat with. Should a healthy person use knee sleeves to squat heavy even though they don't feel any pain when squatting? What do knee sleeves actually do for healthy knees? I've read they help for people with previous knee injuries, but what about people without any injuries, would it be better for the knees with or without when squatting heavy?
I think the main thing they can help with is proprioception and making you more aware of how your knee is moving. It can also provide extra support, but that could be a bad thing as well as it could mask pain you would get in your knees from using improper form. As for if one is better using or not using knee sleeves, that's up to the individual
I think it can be considered a safety net if you go heavy and do some wrong move.. if they are tight enough
once I was doing a PR and got off balance for sec, I felt it pulling the knee cap in place..
for the obliques your telling us not to do *any* twisting motion? what about side bends? that's harsh
Thank you, that's what I thought too! You may get dependent on them if using constantly, but you have to learn do squat without them.
John Doe If you're stupid enough to do PR's and 1 rep maxes, then yeah you SHOULD use them.
I remember meeting you in real life...
What medical school did you go to?
Did tou finally get your physician degree?
Hi. Thanks for your videos. In Pilates and yoga there are stretches which are the same as this but without using the machine. Do you also think they could be harmful?
Ahhh, you mean like laying with your back on the floor and rotating your body? That should be fine as long as you have no pain. This one is bad because it locks the pelvis or on other machines, the upper body into place. Then you are twisting and moving weight. So doing that repeatedly can stress the Multifidus and the Discs in your spine
I know this is an older video, however I just watched another vid where the Planet Fitness version on which you kneel and twist from waist to mis-chest was called out as causing serious potential injury. Similar your yours.
Seems like both of you are saying any sort of twisting with weight is potentially problematic. Hard to know who, which, both are correct without someone with some medical background. Not saying you are wrong, just that there seems to be conflicting advice.
what abt the machine that you put your knees on and hold your chest againts a pad. you twist your knees to work the obliques. its essentially the opposite of this, is that unsafe too?
Ahhh, the one that rotates your pelvis while your upper body remains still? That's still pretty bad and can lead to the same issues. Also, I didn't mention that your Lumbar Vertebrae aren't really meant to twist like your Thoracic Vertebrae....so doing this exercise could potentially lead to a disc injury
Hi Jeff. Do you know anything about shin splints... I suffer with them A LOT. I'm trying to jog recently, but I can only jog for 10 seconds on a flat before I have to stop because of the pain. I'm using ice and some stretches at the moment. Anything I can do to get rid of them forever?
Indeed I do! I don't know about something to get of them forever, but I'd avoid anything painful....perhaps go to a physical therapist too to get evaluated. With Shin Splints, the Anterior Tibialis and/or Posterior Tibialis muscles can be affected. They may do particular massages on you, help you strengthen them, etc
Great Advice!
I definitely love your spine advice💯
This helps alot for Longterm fitness lovers💪
No matter what, Keep Going Strong Brother!✊
You will make it on top💯
Indeed, I don't think spine issues are discussed often here in the TH-cam fitness scene. I shall keep going strong, have no worries!
I do crunchies for the rectus abdominals. Then I twist elbow to opposite knee for obliques. Is this hard on the back too?
If you can keep your lower back pressed firmly on the mat or ground you are doing the exercise on, then it shouldn't be bad. Obviously if you have pain though, then don't do them
Fitness Oriented thank you
TH-cam is full of coaches giving you opposite advices, despite the fact that they didn't make it to the end of high school.
Het a coach with a degree, listen to your body, and never do an exercise you do not want to. Every setist five you pleasure
i never recommend twisting machines, i never recommend twisting while holding a Plate in a pause the sit-up position. What enhances the problem is when you see Newbies doing this, people with weak untrained lower back strength doing this with the assumption they can spot reduce the Trunk area.
Sit ups are just a bad exercise all around! I agree, I think a lot of people assume they have more thoracic extension and thoracic control than they really do, and then they run into problems
Multifudus is many muscles, not one; this is basic human anatomy. Yikes.
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Thank you Nitai!
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