A former employer had a large fleet of T5500s that used the same case that had Dual Xeons. It was a good system and the interesting thing was that one of the CPUs were on a daughtercard with its own 3 DDR3 slots. Repurposed one for a department NAS for a few years.
T7500 had the same 2x 1366 socket w. CPU/RAM riser board. And it was even more upgradeable + much more powerful PSU (1250w i suppose). Since DDR3 ECC ram is cheap i'll go with t7500, cause it handles 2x more ram sticks...
so with my job I have to drive around alot and since I have been their for 11 years I know the trash days and what neighborhoods throw out the good stuff.
After your mods, the first thing that likely to go up in smoke - literally - is the ram module. Those are FBDIMMs. 4GB x 8 will consume lots of power by design and can reach 85°C - 90°C (185°F - 190°F) easily. There was a reason Dell put a clearly-I-forgot-it-first fan right on top of them. And that fan is the loudest one there. They did a better design in Precision 690 by employing a much bigger fan running at a much lower rpm.
@@DLMtechgarage during the same era, HP did a much better job on taming the FBDIMM issues. Their systems had air ducts that forced the air to flow through the dimms and existed at the rear. It is way more effective be than Dell's bandaid solution.
I own a 690 upgraded to 48GB DDR2 - It's got a HUGE shroud that covers not only the CPUs but also the ram from the massive intake fan (that runs quite loud!) to blow an obscene amount of air over the HUGE Tower coolers and the ram dimms (Which are stacked in riser cards to support that much RAM). Even being cooled like they are, they still reach upwards of 85*C. FB-DDR2 is nothing to play around with, and heat is the first thing that will kill it!
@@ColdSplash interesting.... I def learned the ram needed better cooling. I went back later and cut open a whole and added a 120mm fan and it def did the trick.
Got a T3500 from a guy I know, not saying it didn't work. Cleaned everything up and testing it all out, turns out 2 cpu pins where slightly bend and was some dust in the cpu socket. Front panel was scratched up, so I sanded it and painted it white ... the front looks stunning now! Also ran some leds right behind the front panel with the USB cable going inside the case connecting it to the usb connector on the motherboard. Paired the system with a hgtx 1050ti 4gb and she plays game like Fortnite and Minecraft really well
I have an old T5400 Precision tower, uses that exact same case. It's getting hard to find reliable RAM for that beast, since all the DDR2 ECC RAM out there is used and no longer manufactured. It'll run for about six months and trip the ECC from another failed module. This is a neat build though, really liked the Noctua fan mod especially!
what a nice neat motherboard layout, although having the cpu's so close together would make it difficult to install bigger cpu coolers, its also a shame that its DDR2 ECC not DDR3.
Loved coming across these when I worked at an eWaste recycling facility. Sold a few of them, some came with powerful Xeons, some didn't. There were two different sizes, the big ones were cool. I dropped a screw into the mobo and it sparked, still booted & sold it. The old Precisions in the 90's we're kinda funky, & not that valuable. Some came with a National Instruments capture/video card & boy.... Those were three digit marks. I just wonder how many interesting desktop devices got scrapped for a few bucks.
I'm quite fond of how these machines look, they're absolutely massive however, and I don't have any space on my desk for them, and it takes up way too much space under my desk. - I don't know if you're aware or not, but one of the biggest dual core processor you can put in that machine (The Xeon 5080) is a Pentium D Extreme 965 with a Xeon badge, and you can run two of them! - So 4 NETBURST cores and 8 Netburst threads running at 3.73Ghz! - That is literally 4 Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's on the CPU dies in that computer!
The GeForce 8800 cards will probably go down in history as the best GPU bang for your buck. No card before or after delivered the performance you got for the extremely reasonable price at the time.
windows xp isnt supported and windows 11 is made to run on older hardware better than xp. Alternatively you can modify the windows 11 to look like XP if you really want to. But always keep your windows up-to-date so you can stay safe online
Wow, this is the one I got a few years ago. It was spied sitting outside my workplace next to the dumpsters, and I very quickly reclaimed it. It was in almost new-looking shape, barely a scratch on it and it worked just fine. It did have a weird 128 Gb SD drive installed which wasn't compatible with Windows 10, but once replaced with a regular HDD it worked fantastically. It did eventually give up the ghost, but only after I had sold it on to someone else, ironically as a game machine.
I had a dell precision i think T7something. Kinda miss it, sold because it's huge and built a decent modern pc with the same amount of money. As much as i found out about it, it had been used by some governmental office, and was a pretty high end workstation in 2010. A ton of cores and still crunched some data faster than my i7 now. On some things slower though, with 3,2ghz locked. Loved the handles for moving, and the way it's made modular to be easy to maintain. Still, with my current usage being more gaming and less utility, this one is flat out better. Miss the huge block of aluminium and processing power sitting under my table though.
You coulda bought one of these for your family PC in 06 and she'd still be a more than capable system, upgradable to Win 11, today. Only need an SSD upgrade when the HDD eventually failed. Amazing.
Caution: some of these older systems were only designed to cope with SATA I (1.5 Gbps) Drives. Adding a later SATA III (6 Gbps) can sometimes lead to random crashes, as the MotherBoard just cannot cope with the faster Drives (be that Spinner or SSD). Often there is no direct workaround, and no BIOS update. I managed to get around this problem on one HP Workstation, by adding a PCI RAID Card that was designed for SATA II (3 Gbps). That worked, even with SATA III, and so I kept the machine going using later Drives.
@Alexander Ratisbona No, it's a genuine issue. I had no end of trouble a while back trying to work out why some HP Workstations kept crashing after upgrading them with SATA III Spinners and SSDs. I narrowed it down to the Drives for certain, and it mattered not which Brand I used - anything SATA III caused random crashes. I eventually found an HP Circular that confirmed the problem on the HP Workstations I was updating. The only solution HP offered was to use a specific Model of SATA III from HP that had Firmware to get around the issue. I had used HP Branded SATA III units, but not the specific model suggested, which wasn't readily available, cost too much, and defeated the object of a budget upgrade. As I say, the only cost-effective workaround was to fit low cost PCI RAID Cards rated for SATA II, and run the SATA III Drives via those Cards. That worked, and the crashes stopped. The warning is to let people know that adding much younger Hardware to older machines, can introduce unexpected and almost inexplicable problems that can waste many days, and even weeks, trying to solve. The best tip, as the video does cover in part, is to try and use contemporaneous Hardware if at all possible (AKA made at around the same time as the machine). If things worked together then, then things should work well together now. When playing with older kit, it is always best to match Hardware and Software to the same vintage.
@Alexander Ratisbona This affected literally thousands of machines. The basic issue of new Hardware potentially causing problems when fitted into older Hardware, is a known basic issue to be wary of, and is not just restricted to just HP. My caution was well intended, some will be lucky, many will not. The point is to understand that older Hardware was obviously created without any provision for later Hardware (because they didn't have a Time Machine!), and not all later Hardware is designed to be backwards compatible with all older kit once it's beyond a certain vintage (because they just assume nobody will be trying to do that). I'm not saying don't try, just keep in mind there may be unexpected problems mixing very new with very old. If so, those problems can be very frustrating and also time consuming to identify, with a chance that there may not be a workaround.
I replaced the front fan of my daughter's T5400 with a bequiet 140 mm fan and she does get the fan error. I used one of those 4 pin to 5 pin adapters you can get on ebay
You can use Snappy Driver just so you don't have to bother searching everywhere for obsolete hardware. It works for any computer that runs Windows 2000 all the way up to 11. I just keep the offline version on a usb stick and use it whenever i have to fix a PC and only download the GPU driver seperately
Back in the days i tried windows xp 64 bit and it was awful, heck it ran even worse then 32 bit in most games, upgraded to vista 64 and that was a much better experience. Back on a c2q 6600 with a 8800gts as well.
I have a HP z420 workstation from 2012 that has a xeon 4-core 3.6ghz with 32GB DDR3 ram. I put just a 1050ti in for now but eventually a RTX 2060 for HD or 2k gaming. That comp goes for around 200-250 on Amazon.
I've updated a lot of older Dell's and by accident, on eBay, I found the Dell 5 Pin to 4 Pin Adapters very reasonable priced which allows you to use any 3 or 4 pin Fans on any Dell 5 Pin Header. This was a few years ago but I'm sure said Adapters are still around... Just a thought for anyone looking to upgrade older Dell Machines... My Fav older Dells to upgrade were the T3500 Single X58 CPU and T7500 Dual X58 CPUs Xeon's or CPUs, with DDR3. I even managed to load Window's 10 on my older Dell Machines. All one needs to do is Clone the HHD or SSD on a regular PC then simply put it in the Dell Machine. There seems to be coding in WinBlows 10 that won't allow you to install it on older Dells but once the OS is installed on the SSD WinBlows don't care and works flawlessly.
music bad... even in montage. Great find and great updates though! Thanks for the ride along man! Some folks are just to lucky and find this stuff everywhere, here in Thailand that is still a 3-400 dollar machine.
I think I have a couple of 2006-era MoBos lying around, with CPUs in their sockets. Considering I have a stack of DDR-400 sticks stored somewhere, and a couple of 20-pin PSUs, I might be able to build some retro rigs. Too bad I don't have the installation disks for XP 😂 so they may go the Linux way
i get all my stuff from archive.org/. They have everything from old os and software dating back to the windows 95 era! only thing you need is a cd burner or usb support!
Nvidia hosts all there drivers still for the tesla architecture cards and even older than that. If you use there normal driver download you tell it the card series and then specifiy show all operating systems in the OS drop down, that will let you select windows xp 64 bit.
Good video. I'd install windows 7 before xp 64 bit. Not a lot of software,game, drivers etc was written for xp 64 bit. It was a niche product when it was released.
Precision is my dream laptop.. Actually my old laptop is dell Precision M6500.. It is a beast.. But I hate how big the electricity it take to run.. So i sell it 2 month ago
idek how that is considered a workstation bro with the dual xeon board and the FBDIMM ram and the fact that a lot of things are hot-plug capable i think it would work pretty well as a tower server
i had a (i think) 390 that shipped with a c2d and 4gb of ram, I had picked it up for $5 at some guys shop, he priced things all over the place. Anyhow, I had it with W7 and maybe 10. I remember throwing in a 7870 2gb and replacing it with a gtx660 eventually, did a psu swap too since it was atx. I did as soon as I got it swap the C2D for a C2Q 6600 which was the best it would take, tried doing a pin mod to OC but mobo said no as it wouldn't go higher on fsb afaik.
I still have the parts from my first build in 1998. A Socket 7 MOBO, AMD K6-300, 32MB of PC-133 RAM, and a Voodoo Banshee 16MB graphics card. I have been looking for the right case to do a Windows 98 themed build, but good ones are getting hard to find and are kinda pricey. I also have quite a few graphics cards from that era forward, and a ton of CPU's.
I recently made a windows xp gaming pc for my self as well its runing an intel Q8200 whit 4gb of ram and an ati hd 4890. So far it ran every thing i throw at it at max settings at 1080p......even crysis 🙈
That thing is the direct competitor to Apple's cheese grater Mac Pro. I'd drool for one these back in '06, especially with Windows Vista just around the corner. Personally, I'd go with a 1st-3rd gen Core i-series CPU with either a Fermi or Keppler-based GPU for an XP system. They're still compatible with XP, and they still can be found for dirt cheap or even free. Generally, they're more power efficient, silent, and you don't have to deal with capacitors going bad (do note that computers from 1999-2007 are affected by the capacitor plague, and having that hot Pentium 4/Athlon will even accelerate that demise). I guess if you got that computer for next to nothing or free, the power where you live is cheap, and you just want some exotic hardware, then that Precision isn't too bad. I'm currently using an SFF Dell Optiplex 7010 (for XP) with a Xeon E3-1220v2 (Core i5 3450 without iGPU), that processor is twice as powerful as those two CPUs, while only taking 80W TDP. I have a GeForce GT 710 1GB card on it, which performs more or less the same as that 8800 GTS, while only taking 40W. I currently have 8GB of RAM on it with two slots vacant. 8GB is plenty for XP, but if I could get my hands on some DDR3 RAM, I'll gladly fill those open slots. All and all, the thing runs happily on its 240W PSU. And it's small too! As for the operating system itself. Do keep in mind that you won't be running 16-bit applications on XP x64, and there's only handful of 64-bit applications that actually works on XP x64. If you don't really care for those things, then again not a bad choice for that system. As for the drivers, you could give Snappy Driver Installer. It would basically automate hunting down drivers, and then installing them all one by one. Keep on making videos like these, I love watching them!
Nice comparison to the 7010, didn't think of it that way and your right. Half the size and power. This thing was heavy hot and draw some juices under load. Yea I would def not use it for a personal retro machine. I actually have an old compaq p4 in a sff case I use. I dropped in a pci radeon 7000 and that thing works great and its small. The capacitor plague has gotten me several times. Nothing more exciting then a pop and smoke sound while tinkering with an old machine. I am def gonna look into that snappy drivers installer. Seems like it would save a lot of time and headache!! Appreciate the feedback!!
cool video. I'm 60 and this is before my time. hey, that makes no sense, lol. you all are gonna think I'm an even bigger whacko when I say that I liked the way these old steam powered rascals sound. well, not the fans, too much, but the hard drives. back when we had Defrag and scan disc and dinosaurs roamed the earth, I loved just sitting there, listening to it Defrag. I love listening to motors, too, tho. I also got a kick out of seeing how many things that I could do at once. listening to the clicking. I swear that I heard it groan a couple of times. but, remember, I'm kinda out there. I swear that one time(in band camp, wait? whoa, pump the brakes buddy!)anywho, one time I pissed off the Walmart computer so bad that it got snippy and hung up on me. Return to Castle Wolfenstein ruled!!! omg! I heard something about a revival of it with multi-player?? How about Medal of Honor? great game. I play multiplayer every day. it's all still around and free from a half dozen revival sites. no CD needed. all patches included. all fixes. wide screen fixed. windows 10 and 11 ready. direct X 12, too. mymoh.tk
My friend has this PC with dual quad core 3Ghz Xeons and 32GB of memory. He also has another Dell Precision with Dual Hex Core Hyperthreaded 3.33Ghz Xeons and 48GB of memory.
I used to have one PC like this that I got for very cheap but I don't have anymore because it's like PSU didn't work anymore and the computer didn't turn on for some reasons. and I didn't try it anymore as every plastic clip in the system already turning to a crisp and I can't really install or replace anything due to its age.
i actually have a t3500 i upgraded for modern gaming and i love it specs are a 1060 6gb cpu is a x5675 xeon 24gb of triple channel ram 1333mhz plan on getting a x5690 cpu soon but for 10 bucks on ebay i couldn't pass up the 5675 its 6cores 12 thread at 3ghz boost to like 3.2 the 5690 is same except its like 3.4ghz with 3.6 boost but the lowest price ive seen on ebay is 30$
These days with how prevalent the hardware is from that time and all of the different form factors made for things like usff and thin clients, you can easily built a tiny itx xp system that is going to be even faster than this dual Xeon monster. You can also go the route of using newer hardware that was last to support windows xp fully. Do a 3770k with a 980ti or even a titan x stuffed inside an itx case with some fast ram and a modern ssd. You can even put an msata ssd on some of those itx boards. If you were willing to put that system together you would be able to dual boot into a fully supported xp os and also windows 10, with enough power to both play any retro xp game, as well as play basically almost any modern game at at least 60fps fhd. The titan x is basically like having an overclocked 1070 with more ram. Makes me think the ultimate modern and retro streaming gaming setup would be a 3770k on an enthusiast overclockers motherboard all water cooled with a pair of titan x, maxed out ram, a pcie ssd, and then one of those pcie/thunderbolt usff computers in a pcie x16 card with a thunderbolt port that connects to a modern gpu. Customize the case to hold all that and run off one powerful psu, and stuff a capture card in it. Now you have a two computer system with a maxed out ivy bridge monster system and a maxed out mobile i9 and 4090 build. And you can set it up to be able to capture both systems. Have an extremely expensive high resolution crt and a 4k 240hz gaming monitor or something overkill. Okay ramble over.
I would love to do something like that, i kinda get why anyone building an xp machine would choose a 775 socket cpu, but it makes more sense to have something overkill so I can play everything maxed out.
I can imagine why no one would want it. POWER USAGE! I had a later T5400 with the dual max spec Xeons and 16GB of DDR2 ECC. It was a space heater. Once loaded up 200W+ at idle iirc. Plenty of horsepower for the time but now the cost of running to benefit ratio is way too poor.
yea it is def not an efficient or practical machine, but the customer liked the look. He's one of those that you walk into their house and you feel like you went back in time!
Seguramente funciona. 20gb de ram y 2 Xeones corriendo a 3 GHz son más que suficientes. Yo he logrado correr Win10 con un Athlon LE-1600 de un solo núcleo a 2.3 GHz, y 2 GB de RAM DDR2... Obviamente que a velocidad de Morrocoy artrítico
windows 7 actually works very well with it and this makes for a good windows 7 build plus you can put a good graphics card to play windows 7 era games. I did try 10 and it was laggy and ran horrible. The biggest issue was the ddr2 memory holding the system back.
Oh yeah nothing like Good OL Retro Gaming, Let's do this like Brutis. 3:54 Also I never thing keeping enough is never to much to me its just like Gold, by the way like ur work station I have a ways to convert Me garage into something like that but I have a Roomy Garage oh cant wait to have a Man cane garage
4 hdds seagate st350041 8as 500 gigabytes is best quiet, intel core 2 quad QX6800 B3 kentsfield even two on one eatx motherboard, two geforce 8800 gtx sli pci express 2.0 graphics cards, asus xonar essence st av200 pci audio sound card, card radio and television analog-digital pci, floppy drive, two dvd rw lightscribe for windows xp or windows vista ultimate I would choose
I've actually been trying to do a period correct early windows xp gaming pc, an asus board I don't know the model of, an AMD Athlon 64 3300+, an FX 5500 AGP, 1gb of DDR3-333 RAM, a 160gb SATA HDD, some case I don't know the model of, some generic socket 754 CPU cooler, and I'm using a modern PSU in my XP system for obvious reasons
My last salvaged desktop built was the Xeon X5690 workstation in 2019 paired with 96/98GB *forgot the exact amount* DDR3 1333Mhz 1T Micron SSD Sata & 2T Seagate HDD.... Slapped RX580 8GB GPU in *Which bottlenecked coz PCIE 2.0* XD & played some games with it for awhile before converting to laptop for portability.... XD Hahahahaha.... Uhhh, Talked bout Desperation...
How did you attach the 8800 with the 6 pin connector? Did the power supply come with the 6 pin connector or did you use an adapter and which adapter did you use?
A former employer had a large fleet of T5500s that used the same case that had Dual Xeons. It was a good system and the interesting thing was that one of the CPUs were on a daughtercard with its own 3 DDR3 slots. Repurposed one for a department NAS for a few years.
T7500 had the same 2x 1366 socket w. CPU/RAM riser board. And it was even more upgradeable + much more powerful PSU (1250w i suppose). Since DDR3 ECC ram is cheap i'll go with t7500, cause it handles 2x more ram sticks...
Dude, how are you able to find this in a curbside? 😂 All I find where I live are 15-20 year old cases, all gutted out and rusting 😭
so with my job I have to drive around alot and since I have been their for 11 years I know the trash days and what neighborhoods throw out the good stuff.
@@DLMtechgarage good for you! I mean it 😊
Stick a 4090 in it.
@@clownbaby7985 lol...
@@clownbaby7985 u will have silky smooth 60 fps with extreme settings on 4k resolution with thess xeons paired with a 4090
Great content! I always like watching people bring life to older hardware. Less e-waste. Good Job.
After your mods, the first thing that likely to go up in smoke - literally - is the ram module. Those are FBDIMMs. 4GB x 8 will consume lots of power by design and can reach 85°C - 90°C (185°F - 190°F) easily. There was a reason Dell put a clearly-I-forgot-it-first fan right on top of them. And that fan is the loudest one there. They did a better design in Precision 690 by employing a much bigger fan running at a much lower rpm.
due to time constraints I could not record, but we eneded up cutting open the side panel adding vents with fans, and better rear exhaust.
@@DLMtechgarage during the same era, HP did a much better job on taming the FBDIMM issues. Their systems had air ducts that forced the air to flow through the dimms and existed at the rear. It is way more effective be than Dell's bandaid solution.
I own a 690 upgraded to 48GB DDR2 - It's got a HUGE shroud that covers not only the CPUs but also the ram from the massive intake fan (that runs quite loud!) to blow an obscene amount of air over the HUGE Tower coolers and the ram dimms (Which are stacked in riser cards to support that much RAM). Even being cooled like they are, they still reach upwards of 85*C. FB-DDR2 is nothing to play around with, and heat is the first thing that will kill it!
@@moosemelody4786 yea I learned later on and cut a panel and added a fan. def did the trick
@@ColdSplash interesting.... I def learned the ram needed better cooling. I went back later and cut open a whole and added a 120mm fan and it def did the trick.
I ended up with a Dell 7910 and did some upgrades on it and slapped a 3060 TI in it and it is a great system with many years of life left.
Got a T3500 from a guy I know, not saying it didn't work. Cleaned everything up and testing it all out, turns out 2 cpu pins where slightly bend and was some dust in the cpu socket. Front panel was scratched up, so I sanded it and painted it white ... the front looks stunning now! Also ran some leds right behind the front panel with the USB cable going inside the case connecting it to the usb connector on the motherboard. Paired the system with a hgtx 1050ti 4gb and she plays game like Fortnite and Minecraft really well
nice!! def should!!
i also have a T3500 and put a 6 core 12 thread xeon x5650 in it. No problems at all.
when he said ' Im Not a Huge Fan Of These Fans ' i fell on the floor laughing
I have an old T5400 Precision tower, uses that exact same case. It's getting hard to find reliable RAM for that beast, since all the DDR2 ECC RAM out there is used and no longer manufactured. It'll run for about six months and trip the ECC from another failed module.
This is a neat build though, really liked the Noctua fan mod especially!
Definitely a nice-looking computer; the old Dell's were well built.
holy shit bioshock is considered retro now I feel so old
lol...
what a nice neat motherboard layout, although having the cpu's so close together would make it difficult to install bigger cpu coolers, its also a shame that its DDR2 ECC not DDR3.
These were excellent machines and super reliable. My clients in post-production using Avid and architectural work used them extensively.
It's a shame you couldn't get a hold of a Quadro FX 4600 card. They were basically identical to the 8800 GTS except with slightly more vram (768MB).
Loved coming across these when I worked at an eWaste recycling facility. Sold a few of them, some came with powerful Xeons, some didn't. There were two different sizes, the big ones were cool. I dropped a screw into the mobo and it sparked, still booted & sold it.
The old Precisions in the 90's we're kinda funky, & not that valuable. Some came with a National Instruments capture/video card & boy.... Those were three digit marks. I just wonder how many interesting desktop devices got scrapped for a few bucks.
I got a Precision T1600 I use as a file server, great machine that has given me no trouble in the three year's it's been constantly running.
I acquired a dual 3gb one of these not long ago, glad to see they are useful still. I have plans for mine.
I'm quite fond of how these machines look, they're absolutely massive however, and I don't have any space on my desk for them, and it takes up way too much space under my desk. - I don't know if you're aware or not, but one of the biggest dual core processor you can put in that machine (The Xeon 5080) is a Pentium D Extreme 965 with a Xeon badge, and you can run two of them! - So 4 NETBURST cores and 8 Netburst threads running at 3.73Ghz! - That is literally 4 Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's on the CPU dies in that computer!
they are so stinking heavy!!
School system here sold them off a few years ago. 500$ average. I wanted one
I have a t7400. Specs are dual x5460, 32gb of ddr2 in quad channel, reference blower style gtx 970. Very capable machine.
I literally pulled one of these out of the company e-waste bin last week.
The GeForce 8800 cards will probably go down in history as the best GPU bang for your buck. No card before or after delivered the performance you got for the extremely reasonable price at the time.
Agreed!!! I ran one for a long time back in the day!
windows xp isnt supported and windows 11 is made to run on older hardware better than xp. Alternatively you can modify the windows 11 to look like XP if you really want to. But always keep your windows up-to-date so you can stay safe online
Wow, this is the one I got a few years ago. It was spied sitting outside my workplace next to the dumpsters, and I very quickly reclaimed it. It was in almost new-looking shape, barely a scratch on it and it worked just fine. It did have a weird 128 Gb SD drive installed which wasn't compatible with Windows 10, but once replaced with a regular HDD it worked fantastically. It did eventually give up the ghost, but only after I had sold it on to someone else, ironically as a game machine.
I had a dell precision i think T7something. Kinda miss it, sold because it's huge and built a decent modern pc with the same amount of money. As much as i found out about it, it had been used by some governmental office, and was a pretty high end workstation in 2010. A ton of cores and still crunched some data faster than my i7 now. On some things slower though, with 3,2ghz locked.
Loved the handles for moving, and the way it's made modular to be easy to maintain. Still, with my current usage being more gaming and less utility, this one is flat out better. Miss the huge block of aluminium and processing power sitting under my table though.
I just hated how heavy they were!
From business to cool gamer!
You coulda bought one of these for your family PC in 06 and she'd still be a more than capable system, upgradable to Win 11, today. Only need an SSD upgrade when the HDD eventually failed. Amazing.
remember the 8800 GTS launch price was like $300-350 and the 8800 GTX was like $500-600
yup crazy prices then too but at least back then you could buy a cheap gpu to game. not so much now!
That pc is so cool, good job
Caution: some of these older systems were only designed to cope with SATA I (1.5 Gbps) Drives. Adding a later SATA III (6 Gbps) can sometimes lead to random crashes, as the MotherBoard just cannot cope with the faster Drives (be that Spinner or SSD). Often there is no direct workaround, and no BIOS update. I managed to get around this problem on one HP Workstation, by adding a PCI RAID Card that was designed for SATA II (3 Gbps). That worked, even with SATA III, and so I kept the machine going using later Drives.
Thanks for the info!!!
@Alexander Ratisbona No, it's a genuine issue. I had no end of trouble a while back trying to work out why some HP Workstations kept crashing after upgrading them with SATA III Spinners and SSDs. I narrowed it down to the Drives for certain, and it mattered not which Brand I used - anything SATA III caused random crashes.
I eventually found an HP Circular that confirmed the problem on the HP Workstations I was updating. The only solution HP offered was to use a specific Model of SATA III from HP that had Firmware to get around the issue.
I had used HP Branded SATA III units, but not the specific model suggested, which wasn't readily available, cost too much, and defeated the object of a budget upgrade.
As I say, the only cost-effective workaround was to fit low cost PCI RAID Cards rated for SATA II, and run the SATA III Drives via those Cards. That worked, and the crashes stopped.
The warning is to let people know that adding much younger Hardware to older machines, can introduce unexpected and almost inexplicable problems that can waste many days, and even weeks, trying to solve.
The best tip, as the video does cover in part, is to try and use contemporaneous Hardware if at all possible (AKA made at around the same time as the machine).
If things worked together then, then things should work well together now. When playing with older kit, it is always best to match Hardware and Software to the same vintage.
@Alexander Ratisbona This affected literally thousands of machines. The basic issue of new Hardware potentially causing problems when fitted into older Hardware, is a known basic issue to be wary of, and is not just restricted to just HP.
My caution was well intended, some will be lucky, many will not. The point is to understand that older Hardware was obviously created without any provision for later Hardware (because they didn't have a Time Machine!), and not all later Hardware is designed to be backwards compatible with all older kit once it's beyond a certain vintage (because they just assume nobody will be trying to do that).
I'm not saying don't try, just keep in mind there may be unexpected problems mixing very new with very old. If so, those problems can be very frustrating and also time consuming to identify, with a chance that there may not be a workaround.
I replaced the front fan of my daughter's T5400 with a bequiet 140 mm fan and she does get the fan error. I used one of those 4 pin to 5 pin adapters you can get on ebay
That is the older first 8800GTS the G80 its 320mb or 640Mb version. 8800gts 512MB came out later and is G92.
You can use Snappy Driver just so you don't have to bother searching everywhere for obsolete hardware. It works for any computer that runs Windows 2000 all the way up to 11. I just keep the offline version on a usb stick and use it whenever i have to fix a PC and only download the GPU driver seperately
I have heard alot about that.... need to download it!!
Damn dude, I would've killed for this machine back in the day.
every time you kill someone dies
@@JenkemJohannes69 Thats the whole point dude.
^.^
@@memadmax69 you sound unemployed
Back in the days i tried windows xp 64 bit and it was awful, heck it ran even worse then 32 bit in most games, upgraded to vista 64 and that was a much better experience. Back on a c2q 6600 with a 8800gts as well.
what a throwback
I see these things rotting in my high school
Ive got an HP z800 with dual xeon cpus and 32GB DDR 3 ECC. Its a workhorse.
nice!!
I had one back then loved it.
Dang. I was gifted one of these, but it could only take 1 CPU. 😮💨
I have a HP z420 workstation from 2012 that has a xeon 4-core 3.6ghz with 32GB DDR3 ram. I put just a 1050ti in for now but eventually a RTX 2060 for HD or 2k gaming. That comp goes for around 200-250 on Amazon.
z420 is a real nice bang for the bug!! def another fav of mine!!
I've updated a lot of older Dell's and by accident, on eBay, I found the Dell 5 Pin to 4 Pin Adapters very reasonable priced which allows you to use any 3 or 4 pin Fans on any Dell 5 Pin Header. This was a few years ago but I'm sure said Adapters are still around... Just a thought for anyone looking to upgrade older Dell Machines... My Fav older Dells to upgrade were the T3500 Single X58 CPU and T7500 Dual X58 CPUs Xeon's or CPUs, with DDR3. I even managed to load Window's 10 on my older Dell Machines. All one needs to do is Clone the HHD or SSD on a regular PC then simply put it in the Dell Machine. There seems to be coding in WinBlows 10 that won't allow you to install it on older Dells but once the OS is installed on the SSD WinBlows don't care and works flawlessly.
music bad... even in montage. Great find and great updates though! Thanks for the ride along man! Some folks are just to lucky and find this stuff everywhere, here in Thailand that is still a 3-400 dollar machine.
music is like testicles
I swear this is way better and cheaper then a Mac Pro
just way heavier lol...
I think I have a couple of 2006-era MoBos lying around, with CPUs in their sockets. Considering I have a stack of DDR-400 sticks stored somewhere, and a couple of 20-pin PSUs, I might be able to build some retro rigs. Too bad I don't have the installation disks for XP 😂 so they may go the Linux way
i get all my stuff from archive.org/. They have everything from old os and software dating back to the windows 95 era! only thing you need is a cd burner or usb support!
@@DLMtechgarage ooooooh, should have thought of that!! THANKS. CD burners? I have a BOX of them 🤣
@@elfedorausado i should build a fort with all the cd burners I got stacked up lol... I don't know why i keep so many lol...
@@DLMtechgarage a floppotron competition, perhaps? 😂
@@elfedorausado ha ha, anyone would beat me on that. I have like 2 lol..
I have done tests. Drop a 1030 GPU and the CPU temps drop from 80 to 65 during stress.
Nvidia hosts all there drivers still for the tesla architecture cards and even older than that. If you use there normal driver download you tell it the card series and then specifiy show all operating systems in the OS drop down, that will let you select windows xp 64 bit.
Good video. I'd install windows 7 before xp 64 bit. Not a lot of software,game, drivers etc was written for xp 64 bit. It was a niche product when it was released.
Great job upgrading this old PC! Great video too!
Thanks!
@@DLMtechgarage let's make babies
That 8800gts kicks!
Precision is my dream laptop..
Actually my old laptop is dell Precision M6500.. It is a beast.. But I hate how big the electricity it take to run..
So i sell it 2 month ago
yea these old computer did draw alot!! but then again these newer ones are draw way more now adays too!!
@@DLMtechgarage well worth the power costs
@@gregdaweson4657 true!!
idek how that is considered a workstation bro with the dual xeon board and the FBDIMM ram and the fact that a lot of things are hot-plug capable i think it would work pretty well as a tower server
Would u believe I found one of this just like he did ,about last week🙏
No
i got a few t7400's and a t7500 work great as servers hosting games
Surprised the BIOS didn't go "FAN MISSING! THIS MISSING! SAS MISSING! THAT MISSING!" Those work Dells are sensitive to fan tinkering.
it did but the customer did not care.
0:35 i believe they were workstations, not servers.
SHOULD HAVE PUT 2X 80MM FANS EXHAUSTING AIR AT BACK ALSO.
we eventually added more fans later on but did'nt do it on the video due to time constraints
I love your videos. you do some serious mods too. not something everyone is willing to do
it's fun and enjoyable. def relaxing after a stressful day of work!!
hahaha going old school with the bage
i had a (i think) 390 that shipped with a c2d and 4gb of ram, I had picked it up for $5 at some guys shop, he priced things all over the place. Anyhow, I had it with W7 and maybe 10. I remember throwing in a 7870 2gb and replacing it with a gtx660 eventually, did a psu swap too since it was atx. I did as soon as I got it swap the C2D for a C2Q 6600 which was the best it would take, tried doing a pin mod to OC but mobo said no as it wouldn't go higher on fsb afaik.
damn near thought this was de_dust2 music from cs source lmao
I still have the parts from my first build in 1998. A Socket 7 MOBO, AMD K6-300, 32MB of PC-133 RAM, and a Voodoo Banshee 16MB graphics card. I have been looking for the right case to do a Windows 98 themed build, but good ones are getting hard to find and are kinda pricey. I also have quite a few graphics cards from that era forward, and a ton of CPU's.
nice combo, especially with that voodoo, been hard to find that one!!
4:46 And not to mention, it will speed things up a lot, even though it is gonna be connected to an Ide port/slot (watcha ma call it).
Yeah even office computers like optiplex s cost a lot back in 2000-2010 ect,anyway great video as usual
Thanks!
Ah! Quadro FX didn't age well.
Remember back then when Nvidia Make FX card? That was big Failure for Nvidia
Cool. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
I recently made a windows xp gaming pc for my self as well its runing an intel Q8200 whit 4gb of ram and an ati hd 4890. So far it ran every thing i throw at it at max settings at 1080p......even crysis 🙈
yea this is def overkill and not worth it!! Too heavy for one!!!
I found a dell precision t7400 for 80 BUCKS I got it of course almost done with restoration
That thing is the direct competitor to Apple's cheese grater Mac Pro. I'd drool for one these back in '06, especially with Windows Vista just around the corner.
Personally, I'd go with a 1st-3rd gen Core i-series CPU with either a Fermi or Keppler-based GPU for an XP system. They're still compatible with XP, and they still can be found for dirt cheap or even free. Generally, they're more power efficient, silent, and you don't have to deal with capacitors going bad (do note that computers from 1999-2007 are affected by the capacitor plague, and having that hot Pentium 4/Athlon will even accelerate that demise). I guess if you got that computer for next to nothing or free, the power where you live is cheap, and you just want some exotic hardware, then that Precision isn't too bad.
I'm currently using an SFF Dell Optiplex 7010 (for XP) with a Xeon E3-1220v2 (Core i5 3450 without iGPU), that processor is twice as powerful as those two CPUs, while only taking 80W TDP. I have a GeForce GT 710 1GB card on it, which performs more or less the same as that 8800 GTS, while only taking 40W. I currently have 8GB of RAM on it with two slots vacant. 8GB is plenty for XP, but if I could get my hands on some DDR3 RAM, I'll gladly fill those open slots. All and all, the thing runs happily on its 240W PSU. And it's small too!
As for the operating system itself. Do keep in mind that you won't be running 16-bit applications on XP x64, and there's only handful of 64-bit applications that actually works on XP x64. If you don't really care for those things, then again not a bad choice for that system. As for the drivers, you could give Snappy Driver Installer. It would basically automate hunting down drivers, and then installing them all one by one.
Keep on making videos like these, I love watching them!
Nice comparison to the 7010, didn't think of it that way and your right. Half the size and power. This thing was heavy hot and draw some juices under load. Yea I would def not use it for a personal retro machine. I actually have an old compaq p4 in a sff case I use. I dropped in a pci radeon 7000 and that thing works great and its small.
The capacitor plague has gotten me several times. Nothing more exciting then a pop and smoke sound while tinkering with an old machine.
I am def gonna look into that snappy drivers installer. Seems like it would save a lot of time and headache!!
Appreciate the feedback!!
@@youtubeisgarbage900 Where do you get your version from. Mine is outdate and unstable
@@youtubeisgarbage900 share the link!
@@youtubeisgarbage900 thanks!
@@youtubeisgarbage900 youtube is lame. but i found it on that glen page
thanks again!!
isn't that Noctua fan a 120mm fan you said 14 earlier in the video
cool video. I'm 60 and this is before my time. hey, that makes no sense, lol. you all are gonna think I'm an even bigger whacko when I say that I liked the way these old steam powered rascals sound. well, not the fans, too much, but the hard drives. back when we had Defrag and scan disc and dinosaurs roamed the earth, I loved just sitting there, listening to it Defrag. I love listening to motors, too, tho. I also got a kick out of seeing how many things that I could do at once. listening to the clicking. I swear that I heard it groan a couple of times. but, remember, I'm kinda out there. I swear that one time(in band camp, wait? whoa, pump the brakes buddy!)anywho, one time I pissed off the Walmart computer so bad that it got snippy and hung up on me.
Return to Castle Wolfenstein ruled!!! omg! I heard something about a revival of it with multi-player??
How about Medal of Honor? great game. I play multiplayer every day. it's all still around and free from a half dozen revival sites. no CD needed. all patches included. all fixes. wide screen fixed. windows 10 and 11 ready. direct X 12, too. mymoh.tk
I too enjoy the classic sounds of the old PC!!
@@DLMtechgarage nice. to me, the word cathartic, comes to mind.
my comment reads like machine gun fire ha ha
My friend has this PC with dual quad core 3Ghz Xeons and 32GB of memory. He also has another Dell Precision with Dual Hex Core Hyperthreaded 3.33Ghz Xeons and 48GB of memory.
he sounds unemployed
I used to have one PC like this that I got for very cheap but I don't have anymore because it's like PSU didn't work anymore and the computer didn't turn on for some reasons. and I didn't try it anymore as every plastic clip in the system already turning to a crisp and I can't really install or replace anything due to its age.
i actually have a t3500 i upgraded for modern gaming and i love it specs are a 1060 6gb cpu is a x5675 xeon 24gb of triple channel ram 1333mhz plan on getting a x5690 cpu soon but for 10 bucks on ebay i couldn't pass up the 5675 its 6cores 12 thread at 3ghz boost to like 3.2 the 5690 is same except its like 3.4ghz with 3.6 boost but the lowest price ive seen on ebay is 30$
These days with how prevalent the hardware is from that time and all of the different form factors made for things like usff and thin clients, you can easily built a tiny itx xp system that is going to be even faster than this dual Xeon monster. You can also go the route of using newer hardware that was last to support windows xp fully. Do a 3770k with a 980ti or even a titan x stuffed inside an itx case with some fast ram and a modern ssd. You can even put an msata ssd on some of those itx boards. If you were willing to put that system together you would be able to dual boot into a fully supported xp os and also windows 10, with enough power to both play any retro xp game, as well as play basically almost any modern game at at least 60fps fhd. The titan x is basically like having an overclocked 1070 with more ram.
Makes me think the ultimate modern and retro streaming gaming setup would be a 3770k on an enthusiast overclockers motherboard all water cooled with a pair of titan x, maxed out ram, a pcie ssd, and then one of those pcie/thunderbolt usff computers in a pcie x16 card with a thunderbolt port that connects to a modern gpu. Customize the case to hold all that and run off one powerful psu, and stuff a capture card in it. Now you have a two computer system with a maxed out ivy bridge monster system and a maxed out mobile i9 and 4090 build. And you can set it up to be able to capture both systems. Have an extremely expensive high resolution crt and a 4k 240hz gaming monitor or something overkill.
Okay ramble over.
I would love to do something like that, i kinda get why anyone building an xp machine would choose a 775 socket cpu, but it makes more sense to have something overkill so I can play everything maxed out.
I can imagine why no one would want it. POWER USAGE! I had a later T5400 with the dual max spec Xeons and 16GB of DDR2 ECC. It was a space heater. Once loaded up 200W+ at idle iirc. Plenty of horsepower for the time but now the cost of running to benefit ratio is way too poor.
yea it is def not an efficient or practical machine, but the customer liked the look. He's one of those that you walk into their house and you feel like you went back in time!
nice find
i have a dell precision t5400 and game aswell as vr on it aswell. amazing machines with a massive punch for their age
nice find!
Thanks!
"not a big fan of the fan setup in there".... haha. Better make t-shirts that say this with a pic of a big fan.
you may be on to something with that!!!
@@DLMtechgarage OR "Not a big fan" and a 80mm fan on it
Intemta ver si con alguna version de w7 o w10 funcionaria bien o no.
Podria ser divertido ver el resultado.
Seguramente funciona. 20gb de ram y 2 Xeones corriendo a 3 GHz son más que suficientes. Yo he logrado correr Win10 con un Athlon LE-1600 de un solo núcleo a 2.3 GHz, y 2 GB de RAM DDR2... Obviamente que a velocidad de Morrocoy artrítico
windows 7 actually works very well with it and this makes for a good windows 7 build plus you can put a good graphics card to play windows 7 era games. I did try 10 and it was laggy and ran horrible. The biggest issue was the ddr2 memory holding the system back.
Oh yeah nothing like Good OL Retro Gaming, Let's do this like Brutis. 3:54 Also I never thing keeping enough is never to much to me its just like Gold, by the way like ur work station I have a ways to convert Me garage into something like that but I have a Roomy Garage oh cant wait to have a Man cane garage
nice!!
4 hdds seagate st350041 8as 500 gigabytes is best quiet, intel core 2 quad QX6800 B3 kentsfield even two on one eatx motherboard, two geforce 8800 gtx sli pci express 2.0 graphics cards, asus xonar essence st av200 pci audio sound card, card radio and television analog-digital pci, floppy drive, two dvd rw lightscribe for windows xp or windows vista ultimate I would choose
That's 100% not a GTS 512. It's either a 320 or 640 and is the reference design for those cards. Just wanted to point that out!
thanks!! not good with these old cards
Not gonna lie, I thought it was Basket Case by Green Day
lol..
You can always buy a 5 pin to 4 pin adapter
i these thought about it bust customer didn't really care too much for the fan at full speed. plus noctua fans are still quiet at full speed
I've actually been trying to do a period correct early windows xp gaming pc, an asus board I don't know the model of, an AMD Athlon 64 3300+, an FX 5500 AGP, 1gb of DDR3-333 RAM, a 160gb SATA HDD, some case I don't know the model of, some generic socket 754 CPU cooler, and I'm using a modern PSU in my XP system for obvious reasons
Oh and the FX 5500 AGP is the 256mb VRAM model
Update: The motherboard has unfortunately failed
You lost me at “axe you a question”
Love your videos. Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
My last salvaged desktop built was the Xeon X5690 workstation in 2019 paired with 96/98GB *forgot the exact amount* DDR3 1333Mhz 1T Micron SSD Sata & 2T Seagate HDD.... Slapped RX580 8GB GPU in *Which bottlenecked coz PCIE 2.0* XD & played some games with it for awhile before converting to laptop for portability.... XD Hahahahaha.... Uhhh, Talked bout Desperation...
Yep dell is very good in suffecating pc's
And then people cry over 1000 dollars gpu, cause it`s "too expensive"
right!! lol...
You can run win 10 on this
Indeed, finding a motherboard for my 3Dfx video card,is almost impossible...
finding a 3dfx voodoo has been impossible for me... way too expensive!!
@@DLMtechgarage
Got it from some fool about 15 years before.
It worked then.
I can't check it now, unfortunately.
@@DuneRunnerEnterprises prices of them are only going up
@@DLMtechgarage yeah
How did you attach the 8800 with the 6 pin connector? Did the power supply come with the 6 pin connector or did you use an adapter and which adapter did you use?
It would also be interesting if you tried windows 10, 8.1 or 7 atleast!
I tried 10 and it barely ran any decent.
@@DLMtechgarage let's make babies
Now it cost 800$
Might have room small fa in front of help keep Ram cool
My uncle had one of these haha
No me gusta que hallas sacado el cooler de alto flujo de las cpu, se van a calentar bastante además sin un encausador de aire
Vista would run well on this machine after upgrade