The benchmark speed testing that our host demonstrated does not tell the full story on the drive's performance. That is because he tested the drive with only 1GB of data. All consumer level SSDs are divided up into two sections: 1) Very fast NAND cells (probably 10% of the drive -- this varies for each model). 2) Slower NAND cells (can be 20x (or more) slower than #1. Manufacturers to this, to save money by using cheap NAND cells for 90% of the drive, and only use fast NAND cells for a small portion of the drive -- and it is that small portion of the drive that was used in our host's benchmark test. The drive will always write to the fast NAND cells, if there is free space available within the fast NAND cells. When the drive is idle, it transfers data from its fast NAND cells to its slow NAND cells. So most people will always see the fast performance. But if you write enough gigs of data to the drive, without rest, you will fill up the fast NAND cells, and your data will start getting written to the slow NAND cells. If our host's SSD had 50GB of fast NAND cells, and he ran his benchmark with 100GB of data, it might take ½ of forever to finish the test, and he probably would seen an average write speed of under 50MB/s -- a far cry from 1,000MB/s. There is a reason that his choice of SSD was priced that low. It is because that SSD will suffer severe write performance speed if you fill up its fast NAND cells. Note that if you do fill up the fast NAND cells, they will eventually become free, if you give the drive enough idle time to transfer the data to its slow NAND cells. Higher performance, consumer level SSDs will also slow down. But the slow down will not be as bad. On the top tier, consumer level SSDs, the slow down will be minimal. But for over 99% of us, you will never experience the slow down. Just keep in mind that if you intend to write tons of data, non stop, to the drive, then this might be an issue for you. Three drives that will not slow down by much (in no particular order): -- Samsung 980 Pro (or 990 Pro). -- Western Digital Black, SN850X. -- SK hynix, P41. A popular external SSD is Samsung's T7. When that drive slows down, it becomes a pig. Samsung's T5 is much faster, when hit with non stop writes. But for typical, nothing special, use, the T7 is faster than the T5. Next: The terabytes written (TBW) value is basically meaningless. Unless you are writing to the drive, 24/7/365, non stop, you will not wear out the drive. You can probably exceed the TBW value, 10x over, and the drive will work with no problems. The TBW value is basically a way for the manufacturer to deny warranty claims. The drive keeps track of how much data was written to it. If your drive fails, for any reason, and the manufacturer sees that you wrote more than the drive's TBW value, then they will tell you to take a hike. Lastly, there are data center / enterprise level SSDs that will not slow down at all, no matter how much data you write to them. That is because 100% of their NAND cells are of the faster variety. Those SSDs cost 20x the price of our host's SSD.
A couple clarifications. First, readers should be careful not to confuse the different Samsung models. The Samsung T7 Shield is NOT a pig, sustaining fast speeds (900 to 1000 MB/s for the 1 TB and 2 TB models). This is much faster than the Samsung T7 and Samsung T7 Touch. Second, the use case for overrunning the faster NAND is not uncommon, as anyone working with video files will know. Like many TH-camrs this dude is hyping a bad idea. The Teamgroup MP33 1 TB starts at 1700 MB/s write speed, but after 95s drops to... 100! So, one tenth the speed of a Samsung T7 Shield. All to save a few bucks. Even that is debatable because Samsung drives also go on sale.
yep, I researched and the dram is important too for what I wanted ( ie a drive that I could use as a main system drive but also at some point use in an enclosure if I ever wanted to upgrade the laptops drive or just throw laptop away lol ) I bought the samsung 970 evo plus and it is nice and snappy and fast in my older dell laptop, in fact it's the laptop that is slowing it down lol.
As someone who builds a lot of custom PCs I use a wide variety of NMVe drives and have seen a lot of failures from Team Group and Sabrent. On the budget end I will only use Crucial P3 or Western Digital such as the SN570 that you did recommend. Both Crucial and Western Digital are very easy to work with when doing RMAs as well. I have not had the same experience with Kingston, Team Group or Sabrent. Planning for good customer support should you ever need it is also wise as well.
@@Alphasmsn I have had 2 of my 5 personal sabrent drives fail. Replacement took a while too. WD and Crucial exchanges have happened so much faster. Of 12 or 13 customer drives I've had 3 fail. Out of 190 Samsung drives only failures and one was out of warranty by the time it failed. 27 SN850X drives with no failures yet.
@@eclectricgayHow many samsung failures? (You skipped the number by mistake) This is some very interesting statistic data, very useful, too. Have to say I hoped it was more or less like that, especially as I have a mix of Micron + a very recent Samsung 980 Pro in my laptop :))
@@FlorinArjocu Oops! Sorry. 3 out of 190. 1 was 7 years old though and in a fairly write intensive environment. One failed within the burn in testing I do. One failed about 2 years in. Samsung cross shipped the replacement drive for me. Client only waited 3 days for the drive and 1 for me to reload the system.
Could you please help me to chose both Hardware SSD Above 8TB support, please. I has two SSD external one of them 2tb & 4tb I only want to use them for storage & won't be plugged only when being use. Thanks
First video of yours I’ve watched. Well done. Comprehensive. External storage has come a long way. I’m super old - when I was at Cal State Monterey Bay we used 100mb Zip, 1gb jazz, and whopping 2GB external SCSI hard drives which had a tendency to burn up when running them as scratch disks in photoshop (v6), so seeing all of this come this far so that all of the niche expertise I had developed that existed in the space between the software capabilities and the hardware limitations. One of the biggest changes besides being able to work at required resolution without bottlenecking from RAM that had not capped 200MB was the amount of time it would take to save a project that had 20 layers (300dpi set up for large print interpolated to between 70 - 96 dpi). It could eat up 30 minutes of time on the clock. That along with your one undo made you commit and stick with decisions that these days can easily be reversed or saved as a separate version in a blink. I use one of those Samsung SSDs along with a hyundai that’s 500GB, both of which make my iPad Pro and iMac more storage compatible when they need to be, but for the most part they hold a lot of digital research in larger video and image documents and with airdrop I often don’t really need to physically unplug and replug the thunderbolt.
Crucial P3 Plus is PCIE4 and costs the same as this for 2TB. Significantly better drive on every level. Teamgroup is just asking for problems in my experience.
Both of those are typical DRAM-less TLC SSDs. Both companies have decent warranty. Not sure what experience soured you from TeamGroup, but they haven't failed me just yet
The T7 shield is currently at $139 and 970 evo plus is at $129. I'm getting similar performance through a 10Gbps port, and the T7 shield actually runs cooler than the 970 evo plus in an enclosure (checked temp using Crystal Disk Info). The nvme enclosures can get hot as hell when I'm copying files. Though it could be a thing with the controllers. Both of nvme enclosures are using the same controller from Micron. I thought the T7 shield would run hot judging from the look, but it just seems to generate less heat. The only bummer is that the T7 shield only come with a 3-year warranty. And the TBW number is also not confirmed(saw it somewhere that it's 800 for the 2TB model).
strange, I use SDD in this dongles simulating pen drives (enclosures), I have 3 from two distinct brands, and never got thermal issues with any of them... I use them since like late 2020 or early 2021.
This is by far the best video i have seen on youtube brilliant work no one ever told me that i had to go on disk management to see the drive i thought the drive was defective because it wasnt plug and play thanks a million the other videos makers are idiots for not pointing that out!
I used this method, but be warned in those small enclosures the SSD gets hot fast and drops down to HDD speeds (~130 MB/s). even an all metal enclosure and thermal pad is not enough. It's not recommended for heavy users. For long and sustained usage a decent 2.5" SATA SSD + enclosure is a much better choice.
@@theTechNotice it's definitely thermals, the enclosure gets so hot it's almost too hot to touch. I tried 4 different SSDs, Samsung 990 & 980 Pro, WD Black and A crucial one. With all of them the enclosure gets hot after copying 70-100GB. These small M.2 enclosures simple don't have enough mass to cool down a high performance SSD. That's why you see massive heatsinks on decent motherboards. The overheating only occurs on 10Gb/s USB ports, when using 5Gb/s the overheating doesn't happen or it's so slow that it doesn't matter.
I'm a firm believer that NVMe drives should only be used as cache or scratch disk and nothing else. I don't understand why people are all over crazy with speed at the expense of heat and reliability. Bear in mind many users in Asia like me have a warmer climate to contend with. If you are from Northern Europe then your climate itself acts as a cooler for your machine.
@@melvinch the thing is that NVME SSDs are cheaper than SATA SSDs and hard drives aren't fast enough for many things like being used as a boot drive, modern games, moving large files around or video editing.
Buy an enclosure with ribs. More surface area leads to more cooling. And get a usb powered fan and put it next to it. Keep the thing cool, get the high r/w speeds, as the drive won't throttle down.
I use a old Samsung 970 Evo and a Sabrent enclosure and get sequential read/writes of 1060/1028 and more importantly the randoms are 40.5/80.1 respectively.. all for $25.00 since I already had the unused 970 drive for a couple of years. It makes a fantastic backup drive.
Helpful thanks. I keep saying these crazy recommendation for 139 hard drive enclosure. Doesn't make sense. Have an amazon link or specific model you use?
Storage costs keep coming down as speed and reliability goes up, which is awesome! I have two Nvme m.2 drives in my desktop and two in my laptop, as well as one similar to what you’re showing here - good stuff!
This is actually a really nice alternative, considering just how pricy the pre-made ones are. Actually rockin the same drive for two of my PCs and they survive repeated power outage, maybe it's just luck, but I have been pretty happy with them despite not having DRAM cache
I don't think this is a good alternative. I mean he showed the T7's price in the video at 89$ , his drive is 53$ and the enclosure is 20$. So we're saving 16$ and getting a slower drive than what's in the T7? And the T7 comes with 2 high quality 20gbps cables (USBC C to C and C to A) along with Samsung's pretty kickass software suite (Samsung Magician) If I have a Macbook pro or any other laptop with a super high-spec NVME drive, copying large project files to/from ? I'd rather go with the Samsung for it's increased speed despite the 16$ extra. Size-wise the T7 (non shield) is also more portable cause it's not as high as M.2 enclosure and definitely thinner so easily stackable in small carry techbags etc.
@@NL0Gwenster Try looking at it this way. The enclosure enables you to replace the drive with any NVME M.2 drive instead of Samsung's pathetic proprietary mSATA that despite having 20gbps cable (Can't confirm), it's still roughly 10gbps speed @~1000 MB/s, and I couldn't find any to replace the drive if the thing dies. For software, I don't know, diskinfo has all I need to check if a drive is okay, and it works for everything. In this case, both drive perform about the same. It's certainly neglibile speed difference. Size, they're both small and pocketable, hardly matter unless it's a 3.5 inch HDD enclosure. This is not an attack on you or anything, I just want people to get the most ouf their purchases, but it's ultimately up to themselves, and if you prefer Samsung's offering, that is fine too as long as it's an informed decision. I wouldn't mind answering any question you have if there's anything else you want to know more.
I just did the same thing you are talking about before I started watching this video. I used a WD_black sn770 NVME 1TB and a Yottamaster enclosre. Works well for what I intend to use it for.
I decided to go with the 2TB for only slightly more than the 1TB because the pricing now 7 months after your original posting has come down enough that it's only a little more than twice the price, plus the 2TB is Gen4 PCIE at 3500 and the 1TB is Gen3 PCIE at 1800. For the extra speed (my mobo is Gen4) and only $9 more, it's a no-brainer at this point! Thanks for the info and the links! This is really helpful stuff and it's benefiting me right now.
I have to say that for an old hand with PCs and Laptops I found the initializing process fuzzed my brain and I wouldn't trust myself to avoid formatting the wrong drive and losing everything from C:\ - currently D:\ is my DVD tray. I think I would need a lot slower detailed instructions for how to set one of these up. Meanwhile I just back up to a Seagate drive and rely on it as an archive for precious files mp3 wav flac jpg tif etc and lots of documents and pdf stuff. Sorry but at my age this is a bit too scary for me. But thanks for taking trouble to explain.
Good review. Your reasoning for getting this rig is also sound. However, checking some of the reviews, especially, the 1 and 2 star ratings, there were a few that found the speeds, read and write less than notable. Also, some even say the ssd turns useless after a few months of light usage. I think paying a little more for a more well known brand, might be better in the long run. The 1TB SSD is now running for 39.99 US Dollars. Which is cheap, but be careful what you buy and don't expect too much.
It was a good solution. I had big problems with the SSD SATA drive. I have an r7 5800x on a stell legend x570 MBO and the system did not want to accept 3 SATA disks and 1 M2, no matter what combination of sockets I used. I bought a cheap SSD-USB3 external box. And it works great. True USB 3 does not allow more than 500 MB read / write, but it is on the front panel of my case and is easily accessible. And now I have a great portable 1 TB drive.
Karma truly finds answers for people, I saw your video on the front panel and this is the first one of yours I have watched, I was about to enter the market of high capacity USB devices and you addressed everything I would have sought after. have just ordered from Amazon UK the two devices SSD and enclosure. Thank you now you have another subscriber, you are clear concise and factual with no waffle that others do. Well done⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐.
Where did you see the T7 has 2880 TBW? I have never seen it's TBW listed anywhere. The only thing I found is a Samsung Newsroom article, that mentions the 8TB model of the 870 QVO has 2,880 TBW. I'm considering buying the T7, but due to the lack of information about its TBW, I'm leaning towards a 970 Evo with an enclosure.
Been with you from the start, I was wondering if you’d be willing to do a video about taking an old computer and turning into a truenas NAS. And how you would tune it
This TEAMGROUP enclosure seems like a great choice over others including Tuf Gaming or ROG Gaming because of its asset design and compactness. And its LED is very beautiful and just enough.
Hasn't been that long since you posted this, but the enclosure you suggest is no longer offered. And I wanted a 2 TB drive, so...I tried to help. This was good info. Thank you.
I don't use Team products anymore, the two I had (Micro SD card and USB drive) failed. I buy western digital (Blue) and PNY M.2 modules in both NVME and SATA. I only use Orinco enclosures and I've had no problems whatsoever...for years now. One of the Orinco enclosures can use either NVME or SATA but be sure you buy the correct one.
Nice enclosure, small and sandwich. Sandwich designs are rare, big majority use slide-on tube but still claim good cooling. Which isn't really possible, the sticky thermal pads crumple and refuse to slide in to the tube, if they are thick enough to make good contact with case. Not making contact, or poor contact, with case is obviously bad for heat transfer from SSD to the case. This one isn't being sold in European Amazon though
I've worked in electronics for over 40 years. ESD was drilled into my head everyday. Nowadays every video I see of people working with electronic components, no one is wearing an ESD wristband or using a grounding mat. I've even seen videos with people assembling PC's on a rug!! SMH.
What about those of us who doesn't have the Thunderbolt slot for this? Those of us with classic 3.0, where often the flash drives for these says "USB 3.1, Gen 1" (5Gbps). This would be fantastic if everyone has the workaround for 10Gbps speed, what used to be in a M.2 socket called PCIe 2.0 x2 (some PC's PCIe 3.0 x2). Some of these first x2 M.2 slots were non-bootable, such as those on AMD 970FX chipset, w/out manually adding correct drivers. Then when upgrading, would have to add these to every new ISO (Win 10) to have successful upgrade. Why not make it work via an extra (x2 or x4) PCIe port if no other way? GPU isn't slowed noticeably be being reduced to x8, this has been proven over & over. Speed would be dependent on that of PCIe generation, be it 2nd or 3rd gen. I'd hope those with 4th & 5th gen MB's already has at least the proper external MB port(s) to plug one of these into for it's full native Gen 3 (this SSD's) speed.
Not all the enclosures are equal. The Jmicron (JMS583 REV A0) based enclosures have a bad habit of overheating and slowing transfer speeds to a crawl. The enclosure that I have has this problem. Apparently the Jmicron (JMS583 REV A2), realtek RTL9210 ,and asm ASM2362 nvme enclosures don't have the issue. What controller chip does the one in this video use?
I used the gen 3 crucial p3 2 tb's Up to 3500MB/s - CT2000P3SSD8 for my setup amazon uk has them on offer now 20.03.2023 for £91.37. I chose gen3 for 2 main reasons 1 price naturaly and the second is they run cooler temp wise than a gen4 nvme. I use the FIDECO M.2 NVME SATA SSD Enclosure as it comes with one USB C to C cable & USB C to A cable and added a USB C to Micro USB Cable so i can connect to anything. I run crystal once a month to check the drives health as i am paranoid after so many usb mem sticks dieing on me.
With the external enclosure there is no way you are even reading the maximum drive speed of 3,500MB/s. If you were attached internally use, but external enclosures have a lot of speed overhead. USB mem sticks use memory that is not on par with the quality that is used in hard drives. The only USB stick that I trust is the Corsair GTX voyager. Mine has held up with a LOT of reads/writes for over 3 years. I am a tech and constantly use it to backup and recover people's files from their systems. It is the only one I use and trust for heavy/reads and writes. The drive is expensive but worth it if you need a thumb drive you can really trust.
This is a clear paid infomercial for Team Group NVMe, which have a high failure rate. Better get an enclosure and a M.2 SATA drive - the speeds will be 500-600 MB/s on a USB 3.0 port, they don't heat up as much as NMVe drives, and correspondingly have lower failure rates. What's the point of the large fast storage if it suddenly dies on you in a few months?
*Even though I love these devices, especially those new 3.2 USB port NVMe SSDs, I made up my mind that I'd better set out to choose NAS devices instead within LAN environment and Cloud storage when I'm out in the world! These devices although very fast, your data end up being bound to the device thus hard to access in any other manner unless physically connected to your computer, let alone the fact that's much easier to loose the device and your data as a result. I very few scenarios it's worth investing in one of those devices! I used to use them a lot and when I turned to NAS I realized the freedom and easy access to my data anywhere I am!!!*
For me, the strongest use case for those enclosures is to make use of old and/or small ssds that I've pulled from computers I've upgraded. I can't imagine myself actually buying an SSD to put into an enclosure because it seems like I always have an unused gen 1or gen 2 laying around. But then, those are usually 256 or 512 GB. I guess if I was just dying for a 1tb drive I'd have to buy one, but maybe not since I see having old 1tb drives laying around in the not distant future. And I'm not even a tech guy. Seems like folks that are working on computers all the time would be tripping over all the old ssds they have laying around.
if you think this is small then yo havent used the sandisk extreme portable. it has a copper cooling section and it has a speed gurantee. and is very very compact.
Benchmarks are one thing, real world use is another. Price is one factor, but ONLY one factor; Does the drive have a built in cache ? Is it QLC tech or is it TLC tech ? What does that mean? Are you storing a few MB to a few GB at a time, or are you copying over hundreds of gigs at once ? Are the files larger files, or smaller files ? Is speed important to you? Is there a chance you will repurpose the drive for an internal drive ( replace a smaller internal drive at some point in time ) ? Is the drive going to be used non-stop, or occasionally for archiving stuff to it for safekeeping? Cheaper drives don't tend to have the built in cache. QLC is cheaper and sticks more "cells" in the same space as TLC, and is generally regarded as less reliable over time. However, if you are just archiving data ONCE to the drive as a copy, for example, QLC tends to be fine for that purpose. A built in cache can help with copying larger files or many files or if the device is "always in use" to give better performance. If all your system supports is 10 Gbps, then you don't need the latest generation of drive that can sustain 3500 MBps or 7700 MBps. It's not uncommon to have systems that only support 5 Gbps or 10Gbps.. Some systems support more, like about 1/2 of mine do- including 20Gbps, and 40Gbps. If I want full on performance, well, the NVME drives and enclosures for such are FAR more expensive for 40Gbps. On amazon, I usually buy Crucial drives for SBC's for example; the drive rated for about 3500 MB/sec goes for $24 and the one rated for 5000 MB/sec is $27. Hint: I buy the $27 drive ( 500 Gigabyte capacity ). I had one drive slated for a 40G enclosure, but last night, it ended up in a mini-pc to give it a boost; a 7700MB/sec drive. Nomenclature can be confusing; Gbps or Gb/s or Gb/sec is a term that means Gigabit per second.- note that all of that uses the small "b" . Mb/s or Mbps is Megabits per second; most people don't deal with bits, but bytes, which is MB/sec or MBps ( with the large B meaning Byte ). To convert Gbps to GBps is simply to divide the number by 10. Same for Mb/sec vs MB/sec. . Enclosures are sold as "Gb/sec or Gbps" meaning 10Gbps (gigabits per second ) = 1 GB/sec ( one gigabyte per second or 1000 Megabyts per second ) . I will spend a couple of extra dollars to get a better drive or from a brand that I trust; But if I have something that is being stuck in a chassis that will be network storage at best, with relatively slow access, well, I'm not going after a built in dram cache, TLC, and super fast throughput either. I'm not buying a $140 40Gbps enclosure to store backups of my taxes but will for a drive that gets pounded routinely that is used often. I will however buy "good brands" for all of it, or why even bother..
Good for storage and backup, not for working. With music and video it is better to do all the work with one mounted in the computer. Then just back it up using these.
The Teamgroup Cardea z440 drives have been cut almost in half on price. I got a 2tb one for $120 and they have 1800TBW (1tb) The cardea z340 1tb is $65 and would be nice in that case also. It has 1665tbw
INLAND Performance 1TB, $74, 5000MB/s and 4300MB/s, 1800 TBW. The drive costs a bit more but if you want the endurance and possibly the speed a no brainer. And I've seen type C enclosures for around $25. All in all about $100, the same as the drives you were looking at initially.
I don't get why people try and go for drives that their capabilities will never be realized even in 20%. USB-C enclosures allow for rather slow transfers, even USB4 or Thunderbolt 3/4 need to utilize entire bandwidth and still will fall a little bit short of what PCIe 3.0 NVMe can deliver...
@@Micromation At this point it's mostly because it's not much benefit to getting a gen 3 drive. Unless there is a high tbw gen 3 drive out there I'm forgetting about the actual best bang for buck is probably still the intel 670p but I've found general average consumer has no idea intel (now hynix/solidigm) made ssd's. Here in Chicago where there is a local microcenter people have at least heard of Inland.
I'm sitting here laughing and frustrated at the same time. Maybe about 4 months ago I got two drives for storage (WD Black 5GB) and an SSD 1TB (Samsung). Then I see this video and just trippin on this solution! I could have a TB for my games ON AN SSD no less instead of a typical disk drive. Just wow and damn! Heh Regardless, happy I saw this video. I showed my gf who is an editor. And though she doesn't need any more storage as of me typing this comment, she does see future purchasing. Because when you mentioned Black Magic, we both knew how valuable something like this could be. THANK YOU & SUBSCRIBED!!!!
I use two of this enclosures as "thumb" drives from 2 years now (counting the date the video was published). they're superb compared to External mechanical HDD and are just a bit bigger than a thumb or pen drive; and faster too.
Excuse me I have a quick question please, once initial setup is done, can I plug the enclosed ssd to another pc and it will show my files? Or do I have to repeat the same process of formatting?
@@genesis7748 no need to format the ssd, as they usualy come previously prepared to use as usb pens, so in most cases just use it like another external source of storage, copying, replacing, deleting or adding new flles. In short, if you already have done this is one pc it will work in any other, at least using the same OS or similar (eg, win 7 and win 11). I used mine already in both my computers, my home and primary laptop and my surface pro 8, and also on faculty computers, as I'm taking a degree in a new field, and in others for presentations (copying ppt) as I'm a researcher in my first field of expertise. Hope my answer is clear and helpful. Cheers.
Nice review. I'm considering it as shooting drive for Blackmagic pocket 6k. Have you actually plugged it on that camera? I've tried a lot of disks that were unstable due to the driver of the camera. It works fine with samsung disks but other have to be checked always. Thanks
If I got one of these enclosures that uses USB-C and used a USB-C to USB-A converter to connect it to a Raspberry Pi, would that affect transfer speed?
Flash memory like an USB Flash Drive? If so SSDs are more reliable, durable. I've owned three flash drives and within five years, two of them broke. I still have one, but it has become significantly slower as well. Meanwhile I have a cheaper SSD in my laptop that I use almost everyday and it still working perfectly.
@@Laughing-Pixels I have mixed views and it also depends on use cases. For example for backups, are SSDs required to be turned on once in a while to prevent data loss? In terms of reliability, an indepth comparison of the 2 technologies would be interesting
Great video, and a great idea. I’m partial to the Samsung line of SSD drives, so I bought a 980 Pro to use in an Orico enclosure. While it worked great, I was disappointed to find that when I ran Samsung Magician, it did not recognize the 980 Pro in the enclosure. It only saw the case controller, which means I can’t check or update the firmware whenever it might be needed. I tried a different brand enclosure (SSK) and saw the same results. Is there a way to add a 980 Pro as an external drive and still have Samsung Magician recognize the SSD as a 980 Pro? Thanks again for a great idea.
Read the fine print for Samsung drives. You will get 'recognition' if you can find an enclosure with an Intel chipset. Or -- you can run a cable internally to the motherboard. You will get recognition there as well.
@@fsfsci9156 I’ve looked at more than a dozen of these drives. The SSK says they use the Realtek chip, but the others provide zero info on which chip they use. I don’t know what you mean when you say run a cable internally to the motherboard.
@@CageyLeigh You have to dig deep to ID the chipset. Realtek is one, but there are others (e.g. Micron, ASMedia, JMicron). A cable run internally (from an external to the computer case) connects to the systemboard and thus the controler on that device. Samsung [Magician] wants your device connected to an Intel chipset to activate warranty or other wise unlock certain features (e.g. Rapid Mode).
10 gigabits per second is not the same as 10 giga bytes. Given 1 giga byte is equal to 8 giga bits, the transfer speeds in gigabyte equivalent would be 1.25 giga bytes per second or 1250 mega bytes per second. Thanks for enlightening me on the difference.
OH I use it for backup too. Doing a CLONE of the C:\Drive I had to use USB 2.0 with USB-C 3.1 it would overheat the Enclosure/SSD and quit. But Backups are not worth a crap ig the DRIVE QITS so I make CLONES Weekley and tis way if the Computers SSD craps ut I just Remove it and install the CLONE SSD. NO reinstallation of PROGEAMS & Operating system.
Do you happen to know if this external ssd would work as storage for an iPad? Specifically a mini 6, I was looking at a USB - C thumb drive but it would also be nice to connect to a pc or mac and transfer files.
You mention a better way to build a custom Mac SSD, but I am not able to quickly find the direct link to that tutorial, i.e. the Mac mini - can you provide the direct link to that video? Thank You!
His video basically directs you to purchase a M.2 NVME and put it into a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 enclosure. The new Mac's have Thunderbolt 3 or 4 depending on the generation and does 40Gb/s versus 10Gb/s for USB 3.1 gen 2.
Hi! Thanks for the good easy video! I am planning to make an external m2 4TB SSD. But I just find cases which supports up to 2TB. Any idea why I can not find a case supporting 4TB m2's?
I hv 500 gb PCIe (may be SATA) internal SSD from old, not working, Macbook Pro 15 16 gb inch ratina. How can I use it as external drive with mac mini m2? thanks
HEY MAN i have a 2009 ish mac desktop computer that noone uses in my house. my bro mightve reinstalled the os cuz it was SO SLOW, now it seems fast, which is why noone used it and they had already bought a new one. Im sure it will bog down again as soon as apple updates it SO i wanna either stick an SSD inside in place of the spinning disk and install linux OR do what your saying and run an external usb/nvme drive with linux on that BUT which makes more sense for this old mac? this wont be my main computer just a traveling and away from home computer i use when working construction out of town
I use a Sabeant Enclosures with a 1 TB Samsong 980 And get 1037 reas 977 wright Same 980 in my ASUS laptop gets 3021 Read & 2610 Wright. The problem wish the Sabeant Enclosures is Samnung Magician can't read anything size and how full. Magician apparently can't read anything but Samsung SD' installed on the Mather.
The benchmark speed testing that our host demonstrated does not tell the full story on the drive's performance.
That is because he tested the drive with only 1GB of data.
All consumer level SSDs are divided up into two sections:
1) Very fast NAND cells (probably 10% of the drive -- this varies for each model).
2) Slower NAND cells (can be 20x (or more) slower than #1.
Manufacturers to this, to save money by using cheap NAND cells for 90% of the drive, and only use fast NAND cells for a small portion of the drive -- and it is that small portion of the drive that was used in our host's benchmark test.
The drive will always write to the fast NAND cells, if there is free space available within the fast NAND cells.
When the drive is idle, it transfers data from its fast NAND cells to its slow NAND cells. So most people will always see the fast performance.
But if you write enough gigs of data to the drive, without rest, you will fill up the fast NAND cells, and your data will start getting written to the slow NAND cells.
If our host's SSD had 50GB of fast NAND cells, and he ran his benchmark with 100GB of data, it might take ½ of forever to finish the test, and he probably would seen an average write speed of under 50MB/s -- a far cry from 1,000MB/s.
There is a reason that his choice of SSD was priced that low. It is because that SSD will suffer severe write performance speed if you fill up its fast NAND cells.
Note that if you do fill up the fast NAND cells, they will eventually become free, if you give the drive enough idle time to transfer the data to its slow NAND cells.
Higher performance, consumer level SSDs will also slow down. But the slow down will not be as bad. On the top tier, consumer level SSDs, the slow down will be minimal.
But for over 99% of us, you will never experience the slow down. Just keep in mind that if you intend to write tons of data, non stop, to the drive, then this might be an issue for you.
Three drives that will not slow down by much (in no particular order):
-- Samsung 980 Pro (or 990 Pro).
-- Western Digital Black, SN850X.
-- SK hynix, P41.
A popular external SSD is Samsung's T7.
When that drive slows down, it becomes a pig.
Samsung's T5 is much faster, when hit with non stop writes. But for typical, nothing special, use, the T7 is faster than the T5.
Next:
The terabytes written (TBW) value is basically meaningless.
Unless you are writing to the drive, 24/7/365, non stop, you will not wear out the drive.
You can probably exceed the TBW value, 10x over, and the drive will work with no problems.
The TBW value is basically a way for the manufacturer to deny warranty claims. The drive keeps track of how much data was written to it. If your drive fails, for any reason, and the manufacturer sees that you wrote more than the drive's TBW value, then they will tell you to take a hike.
Lastly, there are data center / enterprise level SSDs that will not slow down at all, no matter how much data you write to them. That is because 100% of their NAND cells are of the faster variety. Those SSDs cost 20x the price of our host's SSD.
Thanks for that very informative comment.
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Fascinating. Thank you.
A couple clarifications.
First, readers should be careful not to confuse the different Samsung models. The Samsung T7 Shield is NOT a pig, sustaining fast speeds (900 to 1000 MB/s for the 1 TB and 2 TB models). This is much faster than the Samsung T7 and Samsung T7 Touch.
Second, the use case for overrunning the faster NAND is not uncommon, as anyone working with video files will know.
Like many TH-camrs this dude is hyping a bad idea. The Teamgroup MP33 1 TB starts at 1700 MB/s write speed, but after 95s drops to... 100! So, one tenth the speed of a Samsung T7 Shield. All to save a few bucks.
Even that is debatable because Samsung drives also go on sale.
yep, I researched and the dram is important too for what I wanted ( ie a drive that I could use as a main system drive but also at some point use in an enclosure if I ever wanted to upgrade the laptops drive or just throw laptop away lol )
I bought the samsung 970 evo plus and it is nice and snappy and fast in my older dell laptop, in fact it's the laptop that is slowing it down lol.
Damm good Info. I suffer exactly as you've described. Thanks bro!!!
As someone who builds a lot of custom PCs I use a wide variety of NMVe drives and have seen a lot of failures from Team Group and Sabrent. On the budget end I will only use Crucial P3 or Western Digital such as the SN570 that you did recommend. Both Crucial and Western Digital are very easy to work with when doing RMAs as well. I have not had the same experience with Kingston, Team Group or Sabrent. Planning for good customer support should you ever need it is also wise as well.
My Sabrent NVMe 512 GB drive died during warranty, and they replaced it. The replacement drive died a few months later, what a piece of shiat!
@@Alphasmsn I have had 2 of my 5 personal sabrent drives fail. Replacement took a while too. WD and Crucial exchanges have happened so much faster. Of 12 or 13 customer drives I've had 3 fail. Out of 190 Samsung drives only failures and one was out of warranty by the time it failed. 27 SN850X drives with no failures yet.
@@eclectricgayHow many samsung failures? (You skipped the number by mistake) This is some very interesting statistic data, very useful, too. Have to say I hoped it was more or less like that, especially as I have a mix of Micron + a very recent Samsung 980 Pro in my laptop :))
@@FlorinArjocu Oops! Sorry. 3 out of 190. 1 was 7 years old though and in a fairly write intensive environment. One failed within the burn in testing I do. One failed about 2 years in. Samsung cross shipped the replacement drive for me. Client only waited 3 days for the drive and 1 for me to reload the system.
Could you please help me to chose both
Hardware
SSD
Above 8TB support, please.
I has two SSD external one of them 2tb & 4tb
I only want to use them for storage & won't be plugged only when being use.
Thanks
First video of yours I’ve watched.
Well done.
Comprehensive.
External storage has come a long way. I’m super old - when I was at Cal State Monterey Bay we used 100mb Zip, 1gb jazz, and whopping 2GB external SCSI hard drives which had a tendency to burn up when running them as scratch disks in photoshop (v6), so seeing all of this come this far so that all of the niche expertise I had developed that existed in the space between the software capabilities and the hardware limitations. One of the biggest changes besides being able to work at required resolution without bottlenecking from RAM that had not capped 200MB was the amount of time it would take to save a project that had 20 layers (300dpi set up for large print interpolated to between 70 - 96 dpi). It could eat up 30 minutes of time on the clock. That along with your one undo made you commit and stick with decisions that these days can easily be reversed or saved as a separate version in a blink.
I use one of those Samsung SSDs along with a hyundai that’s 500GB, both of which make my iPad Pro and iMac more storage compatible when they need to be, but for the most part they hold a lot of digital research in larger video and image documents and with airdrop I often don’t really need to physically unplug and replug the thunderbolt.
Crucial P3 Plus is PCIE4 and costs the same as this for 2TB. Significantly better drive on every level. Teamgroup is just asking for problems in my experience.
Both of those are typical DRAM-less TLC SSDs. Both companies have decent warranty. Not sure what experience soured you from TeamGroup, but they haven't failed me just yet
both brands do good, as far i experience, years past, work well
Bought mine crucial p3 1tb for 47.99 lol. Better and cheaper than mp33 of TG. I love TG but i go with better options 😂
The Crucial P3 does not have DRAM and uses QLC instead of SLC. It may not last as long.
i plan to buy it , but teamgroup is less 24$ i think what i go for
The T7 shield is currently at $139 and 970 evo plus is at $129.
I'm getting similar performance through a 10Gbps port, and the T7 shield actually runs cooler than the 970 evo plus in an enclosure (checked temp using Crystal Disk Info).
The nvme enclosures can get hot as hell when I'm copying files. Though it could be a thing with the controllers. Both of nvme enclosures are using the same controller from Micron.
I thought the T7 shield would run hot judging from the look, but it just seems to generate less heat.
The only bummer is that the T7 shield only come with a 3-year warranty. And the TBW number is also not confirmed(saw it somewhere that it's 800 for the 2TB model).
strange, I use SDD in this dongles simulating pen drives (enclosures), I have 3 from two distinct brands, and never got thermal issues with any of them... I use them since like late 2020 or early 2021.
may i know what was the read write speed on those 2 t7 and 970 evo plus via usb 3.2 gen 2 port?
This is by far the best video i have seen on youtube brilliant work no one ever told me that i had to go on disk management to see the drive i thought the drive was defective because it wasnt plug and play thanks a million the other videos makers are idiots for not pointing that out!
Thank you. I was having trouble doing this and you were the only one I found showing a step by step. Done and done.
Not trolling, but out of interest what part were you having trouble with?
I used this method, but be warned in those small enclosures the SSD gets hot fast and drops down to HDD speeds (~130 MB/s). even an all metal enclosure and thermal pad is not enough. It's not recommended for heavy users. For long and sustained usage a decent 2.5" SATA SSD + enclosure is a much better choice.
It's not the Thermals, it would be the SSD you installed :)
@@theTechNotice it's definitely thermals, the enclosure gets so hot it's almost too hot to touch. I tried 4 different SSDs, Samsung 990 & 980 Pro, WD Black and A crucial one. With all of them the enclosure gets hot after copying 70-100GB. These small M.2 enclosures simple don't have enough mass to cool down a high performance SSD. That's why you see massive heatsinks on decent motherboards.
The overheating only occurs on 10Gb/s USB ports, when using 5Gb/s the overheating doesn't happen or it's so slow that it doesn't matter.
I'm a firm believer that NVMe drives should only be used as cache or scratch disk and nothing else. I don't understand why people are all over crazy with speed at the expense of heat and reliability. Bear in mind many users in Asia like me have a warmer climate to contend with. If you are from Northern Europe then your climate itself acts as a cooler for your machine.
@@melvinch the thing is that NVME SSDs are cheaper than SATA SSDs and hard drives aren't fast enough for many things like being used as a boot drive, modern games, moving large files around or video editing.
Buy an enclosure with ribs. More surface area leads to more cooling. And get a usb powered fan and put it next to it. Keep the thing cool, get the high r/w speeds, as the drive won't throttle down.
I use a old Samsung 970 Evo and a Sabrent enclosure and get sequential read/writes of 1060/1028 and more importantly the randoms are 40.5/80.1 respectively.. all for $25.00 since I already had the unused 970 drive for a couple of years. It makes a fantastic backup drive.
Helpful thanks. I keep saying these crazy recommendation for 139 hard drive enclosure. Doesn't make sense. Have an amazon link or specific model you use?
Storage costs keep coming down as speed and reliability goes up, which is awesome! I have two Nvme m.2 drives in my desktop and two in my laptop, as well as one similar to what you’re showing here - good stuff!
This is actually a really nice alternative, considering just how pricy the pre-made ones are. Actually rockin the same drive for two of my PCs and they survive repeated power outage, maybe it's just luck, but I have been pretty happy with them despite not having DRAM cache
I don't think this is a good alternative. I mean he showed the T7's price in the video at 89$ , his drive is 53$ and the enclosure is 20$. So we're saving 16$ and getting a slower drive than what's in the T7? And the T7 comes with 2 high quality 20gbps cables (USBC C to C and C to A) along with Samsung's pretty kickass software suite (Samsung Magician)
If I have a Macbook pro or any other laptop with a super high-spec NVME drive, copying large project files to/from ? I'd rather go with the Samsung for it's increased speed despite the 16$ extra.
Size-wise the T7 (non shield) is also more portable cause it's not as high as M.2 enclosure and definitely thinner so easily stackable in small carry techbags etc.
@@NL0Gwenster Try looking at it this way. The enclosure enables you to replace the drive with any NVME M.2 drive instead of Samsung's pathetic proprietary mSATA that despite having 20gbps cable (Can't confirm), it's still roughly 10gbps speed @~1000 MB/s, and I couldn't find any to replace the drive if the thing dies. For software, I don't know, diskinfo has all I need to check if a drive is okay, and it works for everything.
In this case, both drive perform about the same. It's certainly neglibile speed difference. Size, they're both small and pocketable, hardly matter unless it's a 3.5 inch HDD enclosure. This is not an attack on you or anything, I just want people to get the most ouf their purchases, but it's ultimately up to themselves, and if you prefer Samsung's offering, that is fine too as long as it's an informed decision. I wouldn't mind answering any question you have if there's anything else you want to know more.
A comprehensive and complete walk-through of self exploratory external drive build. Great video!!!
I just did the same thing you are talking about before I started watching this video. I used a WD_black sn770 NVME 1TB and a Yottamaster enclosre. Works well for what I intend to use it for.
In Spain you pay only € 7,-- more for the WD drive. So that is a no brainer.
I decided to go with the 2TB for only slightly more than the 1TB because the pricing now 7 months after your original posting has come down enough that it's only a little more than twice the price, plus the 2TB is Gen4 PCIE at 3500 and the 1TB is Gen3 PCIE at 1800. For the extra speed (my mobo is Gen4) and only $9 more, it's a no-brainer at this point!
Thanks for the info and the links! This is really helpful stuff and it's benefiting me right now.
I love the sabrent one that pops open on a hinge. It's so easy and fast to change out drives
This was helpful. Well Done and Thank You. Subscribed.
I have to say that for an old hand with PCs and Laptops I found the initializing process fuzzed my brain and I wouldn't trust myself to avoid formatting the wrong drive and losing everything from C:\ - currently D:\ is my DVD tray. I think I would need a lot slower detailed instructions for how to set one of these up. Meanwhile I just back up to a Seagate drive and rely on it as an archive for precious files mp3 wav flac jpg tif etc and lots of documents and pdf stuff. Sorry but at my age this is a bit too scary for me. But thanks for taking trouble to explain.
Good review. Your reasoning for getting this rig is also sound. However, checking some of the reviews, especially, the 1 and 2 star ratings, there were a few that found the speeds, read and write less than notable. Also, some even say the ssd turns useless after a few months of light usage. I think paying a little more for a more well known brand, might be better in the long run. The 1TB SSD is now running for 39.99 US Dollars. Which is cheap, but be careful what you buy and don't expect too much.
I just got something like this here in Nigeria for about 50 USD. 1tb external SSD and USB 3.2 Gen 2 enclosure. It's been great.
It was a good solution. I had big problems with the SSD SATA drive. I have an r7 5800x on a stell legend x570 MBO and the system did not want to accept 3 SATA disks and 1 M2, no matter what combination of sockets I used. I bought a cheap SSD-USB3 external box. And it works great. True USB 3 does not allow more than 500 MB read / write, but it is on the front panel of my case and is easily accessible. And now I have a great portable 1 TB drive.
Karma truly finds answers for people, I saw your video on the front panel and this is the first one of yours I have watched, I was about to enter the market of high capacity USB devices and you addressed everything I would have sought after. have just ordered from Amazon UK the two devices SSD and enclosure. Thank you now you have another subscriber, you are clear concise and factual with no waffle that others do. Well done⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐.
Sometimes, the included USB cables (with external enclosures) don't work.
Agree it is slightly cheaper and maybe a bit smaller but you can't beat a Samsung T7 2,880 TBW and peace of mind knowing you have a quality product.
Where did you see the T7 has 2880 TBW? I have never seen it's TBW listed anywhere. The only thing I found is a Samsung Newsroom article, that mentions the 8TB model of the 870 QVO has 2,880 TBW. I'm considering buying the T7, but due to the lack of information about its TBW, I'm leaning towards a 970 Evo with an enclosure.
Been with you from the start, I was wondering if you’d be willing to do a video about taking an old computer and turning into a truenas NAS. And how you would tune it
just keep making these, you damn good at it! 🌩
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ty so much for such intricate detail, that helped me so incredibly much. I am learning and you've helped with the process of grasping.
or you can simply upgrade the drive that came with your laptop with a faster bigger drive and use the old one in your m.2 enclosure as i did.
This TEAMGROUP enclosure seems like a great choice over others including Tuf Gaming or ROG Gaming because of its asset design and compactness. And its LED is very beautiful and just enough.
Hasn't been that long since you posted this, but the enclosure you suggest is no longer offered. And I wanted a 2 TB drive, so...I tried to help. This was good info. Thank you.
Pro move. Upgrade your current drive and use your old one for this project.
The concept works, but the drive recommeded sucks.
I don't use Team products anymore, the two I had (Micro SD card and USB drive) failed. I buy western digital (Blue) and PNY M.2 modules in both NVME and SATA. I only use Orinco enclosures and I've had no problems whatsoever...for years now. One of the Orinco enclosures can use either NVME or SATA but be sure you buy the correct one.
Nice enclosure, small and sandwich. Sandwich designs are rare, big majority use slide-on tube but still claim good cooling. Which isn't really possible, the sticky thermal pads crumple and refuse to slide in to the tube, if they are thick enough to make good contact with case. Not making contact, or poor contact, with case is obviously bad for heat transfer from SSD to the case.
This one isn't being sold in European Amazon though
I've worked in electronics for over 40 years. ESD was drilled into my head everyday. Nowadays every video I see of people working with electronic components, no one is wearing an ESD wristband or using a grounding mat. I've even seen videos with people assembling PC's on a rug!! SMH.
Gen 5 NVME drives are out. Hope you review them soon.
What about those of us who doesn't have the Thunderbolt slot for this? Those of us with classic 3.0, where often the flash drives for these says "USB 3.1, Gen 1" (5Gbps).
This would be fantastic if everyone has the workaround for 10Gbps speed, what used to be in a M.2 socket called PCIe 2.0 x2 (some PC's PCIe 3.0 x2). Some of these first x2 M.2 slots were non-bootable, such as those on AMD 970FX chipset, w/out manually adding correct drivers. Then when upgrading, would have to add these to every new ISO (Win 10) to have successful upgrade. Why not make it work via an extra (x2 or x4) PCIe port if no other way? GPU isn't slowed noticeably be being reduced to x8, this has been proven over & over. Speed would be dependent on that of PCIe generation, be it 2nd or 3rd gen. I'd hope those with 4th & 5th gen MB's already has at least the proper external MB port(s) to plug one of these into for it's full native Gen 3 (this SSD's) speed.
It would be kind of neat to have a similar enclosure for a single stick of RAM to use as a swap drive in low memory ARM SBCs...🤔
You could never utilize the speed of the RAM, but the size would be nice if So-Dimm would be used. Great idea!
Not all the enclosures are equal. The Jmicron (JMS583 REV A0) based enclosures have a bad habit of overheating and slowing transfer speeds to a crawl. The enclosure that I have has this problem. Apparently the Jmicron (JMS583 REV A2), realtek RTL9210 ,and asm ASM2362 nvme enclosures don't have the issue. What controller chip does the one in this video use?
I used the gen 3 crucial p3 2 tb's Up to 3500MB/s - CT2000P3SSD8 for my setup amazon uk has them on offer now 20.03.2023 for £91.37. I chose gen3 for 2 main reasons 1 price naturaly and the second is they run cooler temp wise than a gen4 nvme. I use the FIDECO M.2 NVME SATA SSD Enclosure as it comes with one USB C to C cable & USB C to A cable and added a USB C to Micro USB Cable so i can connect to anything. I run crystal once a month to check the drives health as i am paranoid after so many usb mem sticks dieing on me.
With the external enclosure there is no way you are even reading the maximum drive speed of 3,500MB/s. If you were attached internally use, but external enclosures have a lot of speed overhead. USB mem sticks use memory that is not on par with the quality that is used in hard drives. The only USB stick that I trust is the Corsair GTX voyager. Mine has held up with a LOT of reads/writes for over 3 years. I am a tech and constantly use it to backup and recover people's files from their systems. It is the only one I use and trust for heavy/reads and writes. The drive is expensive but worth it if you need a thumb drive you can really trust.
very good advice thanks. I already did mine, runs very fast
This is a clear paid infomercial for Team Group NVMe, which have a high failure rate. Better get an enclosure and a M.2 SATA drive - the speeds will be 500-600 MB/s on a USB 3.0 port, they don't heat up as much as NMVe drives, and correspondingly have lower failure rates. What's the point of the large fast storage if it suddenly dies on you in a few months?
I just got a WD SN 770 2tb for $90. I think it advertised to up 5gb/s. Feels like a great deal.
*Even though I love these devices, especially those new 3.2 USB port NVMe SSDs, I made up my mind that
I'd better set out to choose NAS devices instead within LAN environment and Cloud storage when I'm out in the world! These devices although very fast, your data end up being bound to the device thus hard to access in any other manner unless physically connected to your computer, let alone the fact that's much easier to loose the device and your data as a result. I very few scenarios it's worth investing in one of those devices! I used to use them
a lot and when I turned to NAS I realized the freedom and easy access to my data anywhere I am!!!*
Which Nas do you have?
I'm honestly curious, do you do any sort of tutorials for video editing? Color grading, etc.
same to me just bought nvme m.2 ssd and encloure to used it as external drive..sooo worth it
For me, the strongest use case for those enclosures is to make use of old and/or small ssds that I've pulled from computers I've upgraded. I can't imagine myself actually buying an SSD to put into an enclosure because it seems like I always have an unused gen 1or gen 2 laying around. But then, those are usually 256 or 512 GB. I guess if I was just dying for a 1tb drive I'd have to buy one, but maybe not since I see having old 1tb drives laying around in the not distant future. And I'm not even a tech guy. Seems like folks that are working on computers all the time would be tripping over all the old ssds they have laying around.
I had a 128GB M2 SATA just laying around, so now im using as s external ssd to watch 4k movies on my tv.
Upgrading my laptop from 1TB to 4TB... I have an old NVME enclosure from Sabrent that I'm going to use for that old drive.
Western Digital WD Black SN770 -1Tb is at the same price. and a better option for SSD
Teamgroup EC01 enclosure is no longer available
exactly what i was looking for.
Thanks a lot keep up the good work
This is super helpful and efficient
I chose a Crucial 500 gig for a trip to Europe. $49. from Micro Computer Center. Minor difficulties with installation but it's tiny and quick
We get good prices on the Crucial 1 TB square model. No assembly required.
if you think this is small then yo havent used the sandisk extreme portable.
it has a copper cooling section and it has a speed gurantee.
and is very very compact.
Benchmarks are one thing, real world use is another. Price is one factor, but ONLY one factor; Does the drive have a built in cache ? Is it QLC tech or is it TLC tech ? What does that mean? Are you storing a few MB to a few GB at a time, or are you copying over hundreds of gigs at once ? Are the files larger files, or smaller files ? Is speed important to you? Is there a chance you will repurpose the drive for an internal drive ( replace a smaller internal drive at some point in time ) ? Is the drive going to be used non-stop, or occasionally for archiving stuff to it for safekeeping?
Cheaper drives don't tend to have the built in cache. QLC is cheaper and sticks more "cells" in the same space as TLC, and is generally regarded as less reliable over time. However, if you are just archiving data ONCE to the drive as a copy, for example, QLC tends to be fine for that purpose. A built in cache can help with copying larger files or many files or if the device is "always in use" to give better performance. If all your system supports is 10 Gbps, then you don't need the latest generation of drive that can sustain 3500 MBps or 7700 MBps. It's not uncommon to have systems that only support 5 Gbps or 10Gbps.. Some systems support more, like about 1/2 of mine do- including 20Gbps, and 40Gbps. If I want full on performance, well, the NVME drives and enclosures for such are FAR more expensive for 40Gbps. On amazon, I usually buy Crucial drives for SBC's for example; the drive rated for about 3500 MB/sec goes for $24 and the one rated for 5000 MB/sec is $27. Hint: I buy the $27 drive ( 500 Gigabyte capacity ). I had one drive slated for a 40G enclosure, but last night, it ended up in a mini-pc to give it a boost; a 7700MB/sec drive.
Nomenclature can be confusing; Gbps or Gb/s or Gb/sec is a term that means Gigabit per second.- note that all of that uses the small "b" .
Mb/s or Mbps is Megabits per second; most people don't deal with bits, but bytes, which is MB/sec or MBps ( with the large B meaning Byte ). To convert Gbps to GBps is simply to divide the number by 10. Same for Mb/sec vs MB/sec. . Enclosures are sold as "Gb/sec or Gbps" meaning 10Gbps (gigabits per second ) = 1 GB/sec ( one gigabyte per second or 1000 Megabyts per second ) .
I will spend a couple of extra dollars to get a better drive or from a brand that I trust; But if I have something that is being stuck in a chassis that will be network storage at best, with relatively slow access, well, I'm not going after a built in dram cache, TLC, and super fast throughput either. I'm not buying a $140 40Gbps enclosure to store backups of my taxes but will for a drive that gets pounded routinely that is used often. I will however buy "good brands" for all of it, or why even bother..
Good for storage and backup, not for working. With music and video it is better to do all the work with one mounted in the computer. Then just back it up using these.
The Teamgroup Cardea z440 drives have been cut almost in half on price. I got a 2tb one for $120 and they have 1800TBW (1tb)
The cardea z340 1tb is $65 and would be nice in that case also. It has 1665tbw
INLAND Performance 1TB, $74, 5000MB/s and 4300MB/s, 1800 TBW. The drive costs a bit more but if you want the endurance and possibly the speed a no brainer. And I've seen type C enclosures for around $25. All in all about $100, the same as the drives you were looking at initially.
or CARDEA ZERO Z440 Gen4x4 NVME , 1TB has 1800TBW and 2TB 3600TBW with 5000/4400 - Read/Write, the 1TB is 59$ at amazon right now
I don't get why people try and go for drives that their capabilities will never be realized even in 20%. USB-C enclosures allow for rather slow transfers, even USB4 or Thunderbolt 3/4 need to utilize entire bandwidth and still will fall a little bit short of what PCIe 3.0 NVMe can deliver...
@@Micromation At this point it's mostly because it's not much benefit to getting a gen 3 drive. Unless there is a high tbw gen 3 drive out there I'm forgetting about the actual best bang for buck is probably still the intel 670p but I've found general average consumer has no idea intel (now hynix/solidigm) made ssd's. Here in Chicago where there is a local microcenter people have at least heard of Inland.
Notice the "5 Year Warranty" Nice!!
21 Oct 2023 - Amazon UK Price for enclosure now £43.12, so quite a big jump in less than a year
2TB 670P is $79.99 USD.
It's awesome, this is exactly what I need. BUT where can I buy this one?
Because I literally couldn't find a seller anywhere on the net.😄
I'm sitting here laughing and frustrated at the same time. Maybe about 4 months ago I got two drives for storage (WD Black 5GB) and an SSD 1TB (Samsung). Then I see this video and just trippin on this solution! I could have a TB for my games ON AN SSD no less instead of a typical disk drive. Just wow and damn! Heh
Regardless, happy I saw this video. I showed my gf who is an editor. And though she doesn't need any more storage as of me typing this comment, she does see future purchasing. Because when you mentioned Black Magic, we both knew how valuable something like this could be.
THANK YOU & SUBSCRIBED!!!!
I use two of this enclosures as "thumb" drives from 2 years now (counting the date the video was published). they're superb compared to External mechanical HDD and are just a bit bigger than a thumb or pen drive; and faster too.
Excuse me I have a quick question please, once initial setup is done, can I plug the enclosed ssd to another pc and it will show my files? Or do I have to repeat the same process of formatting?
@@genesis7748 no need to format the ssd, as they usualy come previously prepared to use as usb pens, so in most cases just use it like another external source of storage, copying, replacing, deleting or adding new flles. In short, if you already have done this is one pc it will work in any other, at least using the same OS or similar (eg, win 7 and win 11). I used mine already in both my computers, my home and primary laptop and my surface pro 8, and also on faculty computers, as I'm taking a degree in a new field, and in others for presentations (copying ppt) as I'm a researcher in my first field of expertise. Hope my answer is clear and helpful. Cheers.
@@Maddog-xc2zv Thank you so much this helped alot, im gonna buy one knowing its not gonna be a hassle now, appreciate it! Have a great day!
The problem with over heating is nom-existents because it is never used so much as the C:\ Drive.
Nice review. I'm considering it as shooting drive for Blackmagic pocket 6k. Have you actually plugged it on that camera? I've tried a lot of disks that were unstable due to the driver of the camera. It works fine with samsung disks but other have to be checked always. Thanks
Great video! Quick question! If my computer only has 5Gbps ports will I never take advantage of the 2K speeds? Will I need to buy a 10Gbps hub?
good job , chicago studio
THANK YOU !!🙏
If I got one of these enclosures that uses USB-C and used a USB-C to USB-A converter to connect it to a Raspberry Pi, would that affect transfer speed?
you are 3 years behind, 2gb Intel since 4 years on my laptop, cost 220.00 incl. encl. 4 years ago
These enclosures run very hot like very hot
You have a case for fast external storage; but isn't flash memory still more reliable than SSDs, especially for long term storage?
Flash memory like an USB Flash Drive? If so SSDs are more reliable, durable. I've owned three flash drives and within five years, two of them broke. I still have one, but it has become significantly slower as well. Meanwhile I have a cheaper SSD in my laptop that I use almost everyday and it still working perfectly.
@@Laughing-Pixels I have mixed views and it also depends on use cases. For example for backups, are SSDs required to be turned on once in a while to prevent data loss? In terms of reliability, an indepth comparison of the 2 technologies would be interesting
Great video, and a great idea. I’m partial to the Samsung line of SSD drives, so I bought a 980 Pro to use in an Orico enclosure. While it worked great, I was disappointed to find that when I ran Samsung Magician, it did not recognize the 980 Pro in the enclosure. It only saw the case controller, which means I can’t check or update the firmware whenever it might be needed. I tried a different brand enclosure (SSK) and saw the same results. Is there a way to add a 980 Pro as an external drive and still have Samsung Magician recognize the SSD as a 980 Pro? Thanks again for a great idea.
Read the fine print for Samsung drives. You will get 'recognition' if you can find an enclosure with an Intel chipset. Or -- you can run a cable internally to the motherboard. You will get recognition there as well.
@@fsfsci9156 I’ve looked at more than a dozen of these drives. The SSK says they use the Realtek chip, but the others provide zero info on which chip they use. I don’t know what you mean when you say run a cable internally to the motherboard.
@@CageyLeigh You have to dig deep to ID the chipset. Realtek is one, but there are others (e.g. Micron, ASMedia, JMicron). A cable run internally (from an external to the computer case) connects to the systemboard and thus the controler on that device. Samsung [Magician] wants your device connected to an Intel chipset to activate warranty or other wise unlock certain features (e.g. Rapid Mode).
10 gigabits per second is not the same as 10 giga bytes. Given 1 giga byte is equal to 8 giga bits, the transfer speeds in gigabyte equivalent would be 1.25 giga bytes per second or 1250 mega bytes per second. Thanks for enlightening me on the difference.
Crucial x6 is leader here , even with up to 800mpbs. Best deal for the money
I was going to build this exact setup but I cant find the ec01 enclosure anywhere. Do you know where it is still available? Was it discontinued?
The enclosure looks great, but unfortunately, appears to have disappeared from the market, at least in the US
Which brand & model M.2 are you using for your BLACKMAGIC setup, I wanna use M.2 for Blackmagic camera too
SATA ssd is more stable as external and also cooler.
but their size is just so damn big
That laptop does not have Thunderbolt 4 or USB4? Because you can do much higher speeds then and you need a PCIE4x4 drive for those higher speeds.
Thx for the video. Great options. The enclosure is not available anymore. Any other suggestions?
How come it doesn't come with cash RAM?!
it's a couple bucks cheaper than the sandisk extreme but more versatile and unique
OH I use it for backup too. Doing a CLONE of the C:\Drive I had to use USB 2.0 with USB-C 3.1 it would overheat the Enclosure/SSD and quit. But Backups are not worth a crap ig the DRIVE QITS so I make CLONES Weekley and tis way if the Computers SSD craps ut I just Remove it and install the CLONE SSD. NO reinstallation of PROGEAMS & Operating system.
Why they don't build something for bigger storage as 8TB "Above"
Hardware
SSD
Supporting on windows 10
Do you happen to know if this external ssd would work as storage for an iPad? Specifically a mini 6, I was looking at a USB - C thumb drive but it would also be nice to connect to a pc or mac and transfer files.
You mention a better way to build a custom Mac SSD, but I am not able to quickly find the direct link to that tutorial, i.e. the Mac mini - can you provide the direct link to that video? Thank You!
His video basically directs you to purchase a M.2 NVME and put it into a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 enclosure. The new Mac's have Thunderbolt 3 or 4 depending on the generation and does 40Gb/s versus 10Gb/s for USB 3.1 gen 2.
Hi! Thanks for the good easy video!
I am planning to make an external m2 4TB SSD. But I just find cases which supports up to 2TB. Any idea why I can not find a case supporting 4TB m2's?
Are there any usable Raid SSD M2 Enclosures?
It's not better to put a m.2 with the best TBW if you taking this like a usb key ?
When you sleep, do your dreams come with one terrabyte per second? If not you need to have your head examined or maybe replaced with a Samsung head?
Which enclosure is the best one to transfer my photos from iPhone
I hv 500 gb PCIe (may be SATA) internal SSD from old, not working, Macbook Pro 15 16 gb inch ratina. How can I use it as external drive with mac mini m2? thanks
HEY MAN i have a 2009 ish mac desktop computer that noone uses in my house.
my bro mightve reinstalled the os cuz it was SO SLOW, now it seems fast, which is why noone used it and they had already bought a new one.
Im sure it will bog down again as soon as apple updates it
SO i wanna either stick an SSD inside in place of the spinning disk and install linux
OR do what your saying and run an external usb/nvme drive with linux on that
BUT which makes more sense for this old mac?
this wont be my main computer just a traveling and away from home computer i use when working construction out of town
Can I put my movies on this and then watch them on my TV though Plex. Thank You.
3 of the enclosures mentioned in the description after this video doubled their prices. ads
I use a Sabeant Enclosures with a 1 TB Samsong 980 And get 1037 reas 977 wright Same 980 in my ASUS laptop gets 3021 Read & 2610 Wright. The problem wish the Sabeant Enclosures is Samnung Magician can't read anything size and how full. Magician apparently can't read anything but Samsung SD' installed on the Mather.
Was that another form of engrish?
Can you show how to use this with a Mac Book please?
Can I connect the enclosure with c-type USB connector to a A-type USB of my desktop via adapter? I am afraid of max. power allowance for a and c USBs
You’re using the external drive to record to your Blackmagic Camera?
Yep
@@theTechNotice Well this is awesome to know. thanks