The labeled runway and taxiway diagram is sooooooooooo much help in understanding the comms. Also highlighting the plane or vehicle on the radio is even more help. Please continue these practices.
@@agntxx Because of the change in runway length, pilots have to recalculate the max takeoff weight, V1 (no abort velocity), Vr (rotate velocity) and V2 (safe climb velocity). They may also have to plan for a different departure corridor if there is one. Not a pilot. Anyone correct me if I missed something.
@@agntxx Shorter runway s they have t calculate the different speed fr when they MUST take off because they d not have enough runway to stop. also they have to calculate if they can even get off the ground on the shorter runway. "density altitude" can make you really need that extra length.
@@The_JEB I worked with some of the crews from Atlanta Fire Rescue only it was Atlanta Fire Department at the time back in the 90s at Hartsfield as a security officer assigned to one of the support facilities away from the terminal. Even then when you got on the radio and listened you could definitely tell the difference between them and everyone else on radio. Some of the coolest and most professional public safety personnel that I ever had the honor to work with.
probably did 20 years of aviation fire tech for the Marines or something before gettin the USJOBs pos at KATL. A tire fire aint shit for this guy. Calm as a cucumber
I am prepared to become an airport arsonist if it might give me an opportunity to hear ARFF 10's magical golden voice on this channel a little more. My man, you ain't AT Romeo, you ARE Romeo. 🥰🥰🥰
@@YoDay We do use India for I. But I can't even think of an airport with a India taxiway. If there are airports with an India taxiway, I'd assume that would still use it as the amounts of Air India flights into the US is a lot lower than the Delta Airlines flights into KATL. Also, KATL is the only airport to use "Dixie" instead of Delta in the US (From my knowledge at least), due to the mass amounts of Delta Airlines traffic in and out of there.
I would love to hear the AFRD (ARFF) radio traffic as well. It seems the incidents at ATL all run very smoothly but we only hear the ATC radio traffic. I think the stations numbers there for AFRD are 24, 32, 33, 35, and 40 but the ARFF radio identifiers are not the same (ARFF-10, et al). Are the stations at ATL dispatched by AFRD or by a separate center at the airport?
Gregory W It’s not always that simple. Atlanta is one of the busiest airports in the entire world and the airspace around it is incredibly congested. All the planes trying to land have to go around and be put in holding patterns without hitting other planes also entering holding patterns.
@@JNDlego57 It is that simple. They should have closed 9R immediately. 1 because of possible debris from the tires, 2 to let ARFF cross. Aircraft is on fire but let's wait for the other guys to land first...
@@JNDlego57 Those are certainly valid points and I was not there to see the severity of the fire. Every time I listen to an aircraft ground emergency there seems to be confusion between the ARFF vehicles and ground controller. The ground emergency must take precedence over all aircraft movements.
In our ramp vehicle training at the two airports I'm allowed to drive at, we are taught that aircraft have the right of way at all times, followed by emergency equipment then mobile lounges. Aircraft cannot (safely) stop on a dime nor get moving again quickly so it's best to let them go their merry way and wait for them to pass. Also, to halt all aircraft would require the controller to call each individual aircraft and issue orders to halt, that would be very time consuming and would clog the radio with more traffic than would be necessary.
@@StephenCole1916 You also make some good points and I couldn't argue with your training, but you have an emergency on the field. The ground controller could tell all aircraft on their frequency to hold position. Again I was not there and did not see the severity of the fire. If they would have evacuated then there is no question that all aircraft must stop. I say stop all aircraft until ARFF is on the field. The ground controller knows exactly where the fire stations are and what route they are taking. China Air 120 was a classic example of ground control/ ARFF confusion.
When you listen to this you realize why ATL has the reputation that does when it comes to ground operations , they may be busy they may be fast they may be crowded but they know how to get the job done to do whatever it takes to keep their traffic moving , and their passengers safe. If you listen to the order in which everything was being said it's almost like they're reading off a script not absolutely perfect but extremely close. If you watch the timestamp line of this event it is almost as if Fire Rescue and Ops 1 were sitting there waiting for this to happen from the speed of the response. They made my airport look good
An evacuation can be more hazardous to the pax than a simple brake fire. Aircraft manufactures test fire in these situations before aircraft are certified. This actually occurs more often than many may think. It is not a catastrophic event and therefore should be best mitigated by keeping the pax contained in the aircraft so FF can get in quickly and eliminate the threat. Think about what happens if you get 200 people running around an airfield while fire is responding. The Asiana death of a pax at SFO is a perfect example.
With a fire on the tires that is not getting too big, I wouldn't evacuate. You don't want your passengers anywhere near the tires. When tires are on fire, services approach from the front or rear. If tires explode, they will fly off to the sides. Now imagine you have people on the sides of the airplane...
Officially they should have evacuated. Anytime your plane is on fire you’re supposed to evacuate any door other than the fire area. I doubt anyone would get in trouble tho as nobody was hurt by staying.
Rubber can burn for awhile before it fails in a blowout. The tire and brake assembly probably still looked intact after they had extinguished the fire and upon inspection... No need to order a FOD search if nothing was missing...
@@2011blueman Ok... This video is practically going by an artist's rendition of ATC audio, so ...it could possibly have been the brakes that caught on fire, not the tire. They are in the same proximity to each other, so that's technically what's going to get called out, but there is high probability that tire didn't explode. The fire also was reported getting smaller as they waited for help to arrive... Unlikely to happen if rubber caught fire. Could it be possible they closed 9L temporarily out of precaution so fire trucks could cross safely? That is OPs vehicle's call, since there were several planes standing by to take off nearby... I will admit, I don't know if that's is or against procedure. 9L was reopened after all emergency vehicles were across... Then, the responding fire truck inspecting the tires would have alerted atc and the pilots of a possible ruptured tire, broken brake calipers, etc., which would have prompted a FOD search of 9R, but they didn't. The plane was towed. Had 9R been operating for departures instead, maybe that would have been a different story, again procedure stuff. And it wasn't clear if there were any more possible arrivals landing after those last two planes on 9R at that moment (again, going off the artist rendition that showed another plane pulling off of 9R afterwards, that also witnessed the incident, but didn't report anything else out of sorts with the runway, like tire shrapnel). If you didn't get that from my first comment, my apologies
It just struck me. That controller is focused on one thing only. Why? Cause he told his partner to take care of the rest. And that guy told other controllers to take care of the rest. They all trust the craftsmanship of everyone in the chain. I really regret missing out on this job.
@@Dogfood130 eh pilots are farther away from the engines of their aircraft plus cockpits are pretty soundproof. That and pilots are wearing headsets which makes it easy to hear therefore you speak at a normal level. That ARFF guy was probably using a handheld radio
A lot of fire crews wear headphones these days, if they are not David Clark’s they should be. Communication equipment should be tailored to their airport environment. A little more training on proper phraseology and radio techniques might be a good idea too.
Very late to the party here. I echo all the great comments about ARFF 10's voice. Pretty sure he is on some of the other videos. Hope he has gone on or will go on to be Chief if he wants to. And what a nightmare, even briefly, it must be for a huge airport like this to lose two runways. But obviously attention on the fire is the absolute priority. Glad it turned out to be minor with no injuries.
Margaret Mathis ARFF 10 was calling permission cross with one additional vehicle. Its easier for all involved than multiple vehicles all calling at once at the same crossing point. You can only do it if you are at the same point.
So maybe a stupid question but here it goes. When a airplane loses it tires or lands with no gear how do they move those planes? Is there a crane that picks them up or do they just drag it home?
In this case, most likely just used a tire dolly under the affected gear. Fairly common. But if a gear collapse, then crane, lifting jacks, etc. depending on the damage.
I know that this might be an unrealistic expectation, but to be the very best, sometimes it's a good idea to set goals that seem impossible to achieve. Somehow, perhaps by implementing smaller more numerous fire brigades, there should be a maximum "on scene" arrival time to an active fire. There are timed evacuation drills, and associated requirements, and IMO, fire response should be no different. Five to six minutes isn't reasonable. Even half that is too long, when hundreds of lives could be at risk. Airport fire and rescue services should consider collaborating with NASCAR for a readiness plan that could have teams on location much more quickly. Yes, probably a crazy idea, but not necessarily a bad one. 😃
E M Thanks for the info! To be clear, I have nothing but the highest respect for first responders/fire/rescue personnel. It's just that I always think "Could their response have been quicker?" Again, thanks for the reply.
ARFF vehicles must be anywhere within airport limits in a maximum of 3 minutes. The bigger the airport, the more stations there will be. Whatever to accomplish 3 minutes since called out.
@@TheRealMarkS also keep in mind the clearance angles and areas for radio equipment and runways. You can't plop down a fire station anywhere. And even if every runway has a fire station. They still have to get to the trucks, start em up (usually with a hit start button) get in, check for the location of the emergency and drive there.
Both runways are closed, plane is on fire and fire trucks are still requesting to cross? Surely there has to be better communication to not request this.
There's a reason runways cannot be entered without specific permission from the controller. ARFF just coming onto frequency does not have situational awareness. The controller does.
Here's the deal. Once any ground vehicle is preparing to cross a taxiway or a runway radio contact is made with the tower. You saw how fast 9L reopened and departures commenced. You never cross until explicit instructions are given.
krabbi it’s a design group VI aircraft. And per our modification to standard with the FAA, all design group VI aircraft need to have their wingtip escorted by OPS in 2 different locations on the airport. It’s really for the 380 but we do it for both
Wow, that was hard to listen too. The Ops lady needs to learn HOW to talk on the radio! Tower missed the wrong freq being read back. The plane on a 1 mile final better be going around if I'm on fire, while a fire truck is waiting to cross.
Am I wrong to be disappointed by a slow response and late switch to a separate frequency? They should have been talking while getting to the site so that no time is wasted.
It sounds like the emergency got less severe over time. At 3:17 tower says the fire is a lot lower. They only coordinate a frequency change after that. If, on the other hand, the emergency had gotten more severe, I imagine they would have all stayed on tower frequency to avoid spending any time at all on a frequency change.
Not real impressed with Airport Operations. Keeping 09R open, forcing fire equipment to hold for landing traffic was a mistake, plus the runway should have been checked for FOD before anyone did land on it.
Sounded like some data transmission. Maybe radio interference or something. Could be at the listeners side only (where they 'tap' the air for LiveATC - usually some private ner...ehm...person that is very interested in flight and radio that has a receiver that records everything, and they can be quite far away.
@@steffanandersen92 Could be. I only narrowed it down to a data transmission. But it could still be from somewhere distant to the airport. The tricky part here is that we don't here exactly what the tower and the pilot hear.
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How do I change my Siri voice on my iPhone to be ARFF 10?
Right!!?? He was awesome xD
Indeed. I love that voice and his style of speaking. Like a royal professional.
I know, right? A clear, calm, and commanding voice.
By the way check how professional is the ATC Lady in this video : th-cam.com/video/qFUZ6oHBft4/w-d-xo.html
Pinned comment. You earned it!
ARFF10 sound like he just got back from Nam and is ready to put out some fire
Only a Fireman could make professional radio talkers sound like noobs. Man was ready to put fires out and steal yo girl
The labeled runway and taxiway diagram is sooooooooooo much help in understanding the comms. Also highlighting the plane or vehicle on the radio is even more help. Please continue these practices.
Someday in heaven I'll be listening to ARFF10 and Kennedy Steve have a conversation.
Bob Donovan Love it!
That may be one of the greatest conversations ever recorded on Aviation radio even if it ends in heaven
There are definitely some people out there with perfect voices for radio. ARFF10 is one of them.
ARFF 10 sounds like a smooth operator.
Lol after all the work telling the pilots to expect 9R...
Ops: 9L now open
Tower: Yeah, great timing.
What do they have to do differently to take off from the other rwy?
@@agntxx Because of the change in runway length, pilots have to recalculate the max takeoff weight, V1 (no abort velocity), Vr (rotate velocity) and V2 (safe climb velocity). They may also have to plan for a different departure corridor if there is one.
Not a pilot. Anyone correct me if I missed something.
@@agntxx
Shorter runway s they have t calculate the different speed fr when they MUST take off because they d not have enough runway to stop.
also they have to calculate if they can even get off the ground on the shorter runway. "density altitude" can make you really need that extra length.
Let's face it: For most of them it pretty much means changing from KATL9L to KATL9R on their iPad and then put in the new Vs in the FMC/MCDU.
I was fucking cracking up after that.
I am imagining the officer on ARFF10 to be a large frame gentleman of African decent who is the easiest fella in the world to get along with.
Probably gives you the bluntest opinions and tough love when nobody else will and it's exactly the stuff you need to hear
I was thinking the same thing.
That also takes his bbq seriously and is offended of you only had 2lbs of brisket instead of 5
@@The_JEB Probably not allowed to BBQ at the firehouse, as the smell is so good, nobody can concentrate on the ramp!
@@The_JEB I worked with some of the crews from Atlanta Fire Rescue only it was Atlanta Fire Department at the time back in the 90s at Hartsfield as a security officer assigned to one of the support facilities away from the terminal. Even then when you got on the radio and listened you could definitely tell the difference between them and everyone else on radio. Some of the coolest and most professional public safety personnel that I ever had the honor to work with.
the markers for which aircraft is on the mic is really appreciated
I liked that too
idk why but ARFF10 has a badass voice.
most deep voices are classed as badass
Airport emergency employees need to be badass to do their job.
ITS A BLACK GUY
Reminds me of those terrans from SC 😂
probably did 20 years of aviation fire tech for the Marines or something before gettin the USJOBs pos at KATL. A tire fire aint shit for this guy. Calm as a cucumber
ARFF10 is the guy I want coming to a rescue. He'll get you and keep you calm while beating a hole through the side of the plane.
I am prepared to become an airport arsonist if it might give me an opportunity to hear ARFF 10's magical golden voice on this channel a little more. My man, you ain't AT Romeo, you ARE Romeo. 🥰🥰🥰
Victor, I liked the way you highlighted some of the planes during their comms! Good job and thanks!
Thank you!
Yes that was great!
I most heartily agree doing that makes this conversation or any other much easier to follow when the communications have multiple elements
Some say they’re still expecting 9R
9R was always open, in the video: 9L was closed
ARFF 10 needs a podcast, talk show or something.
"Delta 436, hold position, you're on fire."
Delta 436:????????
They had to be so confused XD
I wonder if "Dixie" is used instead of "Delta" in Atlanta to avoid confusion with the name of the airline Delta.
I've read that it is, because ATL is a huge Delta hub
That is correct. ATL is Delta's largest hub, and to stop confusion between the Delta Airlines callsign and the taxiway Delta, they use Dixie instead.
It really is
Do we also use India for I ? This must create confusion with Air India airlines in India then.
@@YoDay We do use India for I. But I can't even think of an airport with a India taxiway. If there are airports with an India taxiway, I'd assume that would still use it as the amounts of Air India flights into the US is a lot lower than the Delta Airlines flights into KATL. Also, KATL is the only airport to use "Dixie" instead of Delta in the US (From my knowledge at least), due to the mass amounts of Delta Airlines traffic in and out of there.
legends say that ATC is still telling airplanes to expect 9R
I burst out laughing after he told 6 planes to expect 9R then ops goes “9L is now open!”😂😂😂
they have a taxi way called dixie, that's the most southern thing i've heard.
Arcadiez • I guess it’s no surprise when you’re born and raised in the South😍
It's because ATL is the main Delta hub; there are so many Delta callsigns that they don't want to confuse it with the D taxiway.
I guess we could say it was a hot landing.
Okay that's bad I'll go do the hospital to check myself.
Ba dum tsss.....
ARFF10 has some voice like out of a movie.
gotta love the accents from the Fire and Rescue guys
ARFF10 most certainly needs to be that voice on the radio in the next Call of Duty game
PA from the Captain short before landing: “ladies and gentlemen as I used to say as US Army pilot: 1 minute! Get ready! we’re coming in hot!”
7:05 shattered expectations.
Your intro plate has ICAO code for Dallas Love Field (KDAL) instead of correct KATL for Atlanta Hartsfield.
I would love to hear the AFRD (ARFF) radio traffic as well. It seems the incidents at ATL all run very smoothly but we only hear the ATC radio traffic. I think the stations numbers there for AFRD are 24, 32, 33, 35, and 40 but the ARFF radio identifiers are not the same (ARFF-10, et al). Are the stations at ATL dispatched by AFRD or by a separate center at the airport?
Just started watching these vids. Very very good. And loved the visual. Helped alot! I might wanna become a pilot of I could ever afford it one day:(
I would think they would close 9R to check for debris.
Is it just me or did ARFF10 sounds like Leroy Jenkins?
It should be mandatory that ground halt all aircraft and give ARFF clearance to all runways and taxiways.
Gregory W It’s not always that simple. Atlanta is one of the busiest airports in the entire world and the airspace around it is incredibly congested. All the planes trying to land have to go around and be put in holding patterns without hitting other planes also entering holding patterns.
@@JNDlego57 It is that simple. They should have closed 9R immediately. 1 because of possible debris from the tires, 2 to let ARFF cross. Aircraft is on fire but let's wait for the other guys to land first...
@@JNDlego57 Those are certainly valid points and I was not there to see the severity of the fire. Every time I listen to an aircraft ground emergency there seems to be confusion between the ARFF vehicles and ground controller. The ground emergency must take precedence over all aircraft movements.
In our ramp vehicle training at the two airports I'm allowed to drive at, we are taught that aircraft have the right of way at all times, followed by emergency equipment then mobile lounges. Aircraft cannot (safely) stop on a dime nor get moving again quickly so it's best to let them go their merry way and wait for them to pass. Also, to halt all aircraft would require the controller to call each individual aircraft and issue orders to halt, that would be very time consuming and would clog the radio with more traffic than would be necessary.
@@StephenCole1916 You also make some good points and I couldn't argue with your training, but you have an emergency on the field. The ground controller could tell all aircraft on their frequency to hold position. Again I was not there and did not see the severity of the fire. If they would have evacuated then there is no question that all aircraft must stop. I say stop all aircraft until ARFF is on the field. The ground controller knows exactly where the fire stations are and what route they are taking. China Air 120 was a classic example of ground control/ ARFF confusion.
When you listen to this you realize why ATL has the reputation that does when it comes to ground operations , they may be busy they may be fast they may be crowded but they know how to get the job done to do whatever it takes to keep their traffic moving , and their passengers safe.
If you listen to the order in which everything was being said it's almost like they're reading off a script not absolutely perfect but extremely close.
If you watch the timestamp line of this event it is almost as if Fire Rescue and Ops 1 were sitting there waiting for this to happen from the speed of the response.
They made my airport look good
Attention passengers this is you Captain speaking, welcome to hotlanta!
LOL
ATC: Expect 9R
While later
ATC: Clear to takeoff on 9L....
Gives new meaning to coming in Hot!!!!!!
1:20 See, the trick is to get your Fire and Rescue services for takeout, makes it much more convenient.
I'm curious at what point, with a fire under a wing, does the pilot decide to evacuate the aircraft.
An evacuation can be more hazardous to the pax than a simple brake fire. Aircraft manufactures test fire in these situations before aircraft are certified. This actually occurs more often than many may think. It is not a catastrophic event and therefore should be best mitigated by keeping the pax contained in the aircraft so FF can get in quickly and eliminate the threat. Think about what happens if you get 200 people running around an airfield while fire is responding. The Asiana death of a pax at SFO is a perfect example.
rpiece62 ..your probably right...but ...sure do sound like a politician..... :-)
With a fire on the tires that is not getting too big, I wouldn't evacuate. You don't want your passengers anywhere near the tires. When tires are on fire, services approach from the front or rear. If tires explode, they will fly off to the sides. Now imagine you have people on the sides of the airplane...
Best keep pax onboard in this case. If its an uncontained fuel fed fire you would evac on the opposite side.
Officially they should have evacuated. Anytime your plane is on fire you’re supposed to evacuate any door other than the fire area. I doubt anyone would get in trouble tho as nobody was hurt by staying.
What happen with second part of video that you uploaded previously about the student pilot solo who the instructor passed out
Check again
Yes I check too because I missed it thank u.
Checked again Sunday September 8th 1:20 am cst says when I click the link the video is private?
So the plane landed on 9R and there is possibly fod due to the tire fire, but they close 9L and keep 9R open?
Agreed, shouldn't they need to close and sweep 9R for debris?
I was wondering the same thing. Hoping someone could explain why they did that.
Rubber can burn for awhile before it fails in a blowout. The tire and brake assembly probably still looked intact after they had extinguished the fire and upon inspection... No need to order a FOD search if nothing was missing...
@@Ysalomet Wooosh, so they closed 9L? Not only is your comment wrong in terms of procedure, it doesn't even make sense as a reply to mine.
@@2011blueman
Ok... This video is practically going by an artist's rendition of ATC audio, so ...it could possibly have been the brakes that caught on fire, not the tire. They are in the same proximity to each other, so that's technically what's going to get called out, but there is high probability that tire didn't explode. The fire also was reported getting smaller as they waited for help to arrive... Unlikely to happen if rubber caught fire.
Could it be possible they closed 9L temporarily out of precaution so fire trucks could cross safely? That is OPs vehicle's call, since there were several planes standing by to take off nearby... I will admit, I don't know if that's is or against procedure. 9L was reopened after all emergency vehicles were across...
Then, the responding fire truck inspecting the tires would have alerted atc and the pilots of a possible ruptured tire, broken brake calipers, etc., which would have prompted a FOD search of 9R, but they didn't. The plane was towed.
Had 9R been operating for departures instead, maybe that would have been a different story, again procedure stuff. And it wasn't clear if there were any more possible arrivals landing after those last two planes on 9R at that moment (again, going off the artist rendition that showed another plane pulling off of 9R afterwards, that also witnessed the incident, but didn't report anything else out of sorts with the runway, like tire shrapnel).
If you didn't get that from my first comment, my apologies
It just struck me. That controller is focused on one thing only. Why? Cause he told his partner to take care of the rest. And that guy told other controllers to take care of the rest. They all trust the craftsmanship of everyone in the chain. I really regret missing out on this job.
ARFF 10 needs to do voice acting! 😂
What a peek into this world
ARFF10 sounds like a Starcraft 2 character to me. xd
27 seconds old, and only 1 view. Never seen a vid this new. :)
arf 10 needs a voice actor job right now
I’ve noticed in all these videos that all the people in ARFF/ops vehicles are incredibly exaggerated and loud on the radio.
Think it might be the fact they're sitting in a vehicle with a loud engine running?
You mean, unlike the pilots?
@@Dogfood130 eh pilots are farther away from the engines of their aircraft plus cockpits are pretty soundproof. That and pilots are wearing headsets which makes it easy to hear therefore you speak at a normal level. That ARFF guy was probably using a handheld radio
@@Dogfood130 Pilots have headsets.
A lot of fire crews wear headphones these days, if they are not David Clark’s they should be. Communication equipment should be tailored to their airport environment. A little more training on proper phraseology and radio techniques might be a good idea too.
So who's going to hire ARFF10 to get his voice into my satnav
1:20 Delta 436, [did you] roll Crash Fire Rescue?
Great Graphics 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I would have closed 09R and have an inspection. Still nicely handled.
Hi buddy, please AF 159 diverted yesterday to Gander, Canada. Thanks a lot
Checking in so I can edit with my very valuable opinion about whose fault this is.
"To Atlanta KDAL" I see what you did there
Sorry!
That plane sure was on fire
Just as well it was a tyre and not the plane itself! Took way to long to get the fire dept out. Jeez they need to tighten up and train better.
Very late to the party here. I echo all the great comments about ARFF 10's voice. Pretty sure he is on some of the other videos. Hope he has gone on or will go on to be Chief if he wants to. And what a nightmare, even briefly, it must be for a huge airport like this to lose two runways. But obviously attention on the fire is the absolute priority. Glad it turned out to be minor with no injuries.
1:20 he says "We already did, sir," not "They are to go, sir."
ARFF 10 + 1? What does that mean? That he has another vehicle with him? -- I think I just answered my question.
Margaret Mathis ARFF 10 was calling permission cross with one additional vehicle.
Its easier for all involved than multiple vehicles all calling at once at the same crossing point.
You can only do it if you are at the same point.
Neil Martin Thanks! I figured it out - it makes sense.
Fire chief and OPS1 never confirmed they were cleared from runway 9L, yet OPS1 did give the OK to open it.
Is that the correct procedure?
Maybe it was not heard or I trimmed it
So maybe a stupid question but here it goes. When a airplane loses it tires or lands with no gear how do they move those planes? Is there a crane that picks them up or do they just drag it home?
In this case, most likely just used a tire dolly under the affected gear. Fairly common. But if a gear collapse, then crane, lifting jacks, etc. depending on the damage.
@@comment2009 thanks
I know that this might be an unrealistic expectation, but to be the very best, sometimes it's a good idea to set goals that seem impossible to achieve. Somehow, perhaps by implementing smaller more numerous fire brigades, there should be a maximum "on scene" arrival time to an active fire. There are timed evacuation drills, and associated requirements, and IMO, fire response should be no different. Five to six minutes isn't reasonable. Even half that is too long, when hundreds of lives could be at risk. Airport fire and rescue services should consider collaborating with NASCAR for a readiness plan that could have teams on location much more quickly. Yes, probably a crazy idea, but not necessarily a bad one. 😃
Mark_S they do practice response times constantly, they were there in under 3 minutes...
E M Thanks for the info! To be clear, I have nothing but the highest respect for first responders/fire/rescue personnel. It's just that I always think "Could their response have been quicker?" Again, thanks for the reply.
ARFF vehicles must be anywhere within airport limits in a maximum of 3 minutes. The bigger the airport, the more stations there will be. Whatever to accomplish 3 minutes since called out.
VASAviation - Thanks, and that does seem reasonable. Appreciate the info *and* the videos!
@@TheRealMarkS also keep in mind the clearance angles and areas for radio equipment and runways.
You can't plop down a fire station anywhere.
And even if every runway has a fire station. They still have to get to the trucks, start em up (usually with a hit start button) get in, check for the location of the emergency and drive there.
I’m sure it’s just a scale error but it looked like the one fire truck was still on part of the runway...
Both runways are closed, plane is on fire and fire trucks are still requesting to cross? Surely there has to be better communication to not request this.
9R didn't close, there were arrivals still coming in.
There's a reason runways cannot be entered without specific permission from the controller. ARFF just coming onto frequency does not have situational awareness. The controller does.
Here's the deal. Once any ground vehicle is preparing to cross a taxiway or a runway radio contact is made with the tower. You saw how fast 9L reopened and departures commenced. You never cross until explicit instructions are given.
You have incorrect destination airport code. Correct for Atlanta is KATL. KDAL is Dallas.
Nice video VAS, btw video length is 7:52 , 757-200, also a little spelling mistake at the beginning , KDAL instead of KATL
Not on purpose neither of those
@@VASAviation awesome video VASA as always, you know I love your videos
Coolest channel on TH-cam!!
So did the passengers emergency exit?
Do they use "Dixie" for taxiway D(delta) because the aircraft in question is Delta, so to avoid confusion?
Yes in ATL D Delta is Dixie.
Yes and no. It’s named Dixie to avoid confusion with Delta as a whole, as Atlanta is Delta’s largest hub. 95% of all airlines at Atlanta are Delta.
Would they not have to sweep 9L after a fire starting on the runway, and before accepting other planes landing?
Post the last MD80 flight ATC recording. Along with the ferries
Say please
@@VASAviation Sorry i forgot my manners... Please!!
just a heads up atlanta is listed as kdal(dallas love) in the opening description
Correct
Good Channel content
ARFF 10 sounds like an RTS unit voice
Wouldn’t they have to sweep 9R for debris before allowing departures and landings?
No, the map doesnt show it, but traffic was normally landing on 9R
Can’t believe OPS didn’t do an inspection of 9R. Pieces of brake, hydraulic fluid, or other FOD could been left on that runway after landing. Fail
krabbi they didn’t.
krabbi it’s a design group VI aircraft. And per our modification to standard with the FAA, all design group VI aircraft need to have their wingtip escorted by OPS in 2 different locations on the airport. It’s really for the 380 but we do it for both
Um...Why am i hearing ACARS on voice frequency?
What is that squelching sound before, after and during many of the voice transmissions? It’s loud and distracting.
Static
Nice video
Wow, that was hard to listen too. The Ops lady needs to learn HOW to talk on the radio! Tower missed the wrong freq being read back. The plane on a 1 mile final better be going around if I'm on fire, while a fire truck is waiting to cross.
Ready for take off rwy 9L
Ready for take off rwy 9R
Ready for take off rwy 9L
Hotel? Trivago
binasser 😂😂
Dixie?
4:00 I can't tell, is he cleared to cross 9L?
At the begging, Atlanta airport is ATL not DAL!!
Sure
Hey it says Seattle KSEA to Atlanta KDAL. But isn’t KDAL Dallas Love?
Yes, it is
Am I wrong to be disappointed by a slow response and late switch to a separate frequency? They should have been talking while getting to the site so that no time is wasted.
It sounds like the emergency got less severe over time. At 3:17 tower says the fire is a lot lower. They only coordinate a frequency change after that. If, on the other hand, the emergency had gotten more severe, I imagine they would have all stayed on tower frequency to avoid spending any time at all on a frequency change.
Total professionalism exhibited here in this clip.
Is ARFF10 Barry White in disguise
wtf they were like oh were on fire could you send a truck well wait here in a burning plane.
Not real impressed with Airport Operations. Keeping 09R open, forcing fire equipment to hold for landing traffic was a mistake, plus the runway should have been checked for FOD before anyone did land on it.
If the traffic is already cleared to land they would need to force them I to a missed approach first before ARFF can cross.
Atlanta is KATL not KDAL like it said at 0:09
Correct
Intro says KDAL instead of KATL
They didn’t evacuate?
Negative
Fuck yeah ARRF10
Hey vas aviation Atlanta’s icao code is katl Kdal is Dallas love
Didn’t know love field was in Atlanta
Nice eye. My mistake
Where is the final AA md80 flight ?
Chicago
No I meant on you Chanel ??😂 you need to do it :)
What is that squelch/squealing sound after the transmissions?
Sounded like some data transmission. Maybe radio interference or something. Could be at the listeners side only (where they 'tap' the air for LiveATC - usually some private ner...ehm...person that is very interested in flight and radio that has a receiver that records everything, and they can be quite far away.
To me it sounds like ACARS transmission
@@steffanandersen92 Could be. I only narrowed it down to a data transmission. But it could still be from somewhere distant to the airport. The tricky part here is that we don't here exactly what the tower and the pilot hear.
Oh my god there will be a lot of wake turbulance separation for that poor controller having all departures quieed behined each other using 9 L 😬
Ops 1 sounds awfully perky..