Thermite Grenade VS Engine
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- In our first #FieryFriday episode, we went out to our friends at Mo' Muscle Cars in Conroe, TX (www.momusclecars.com) and tested thermite grenades against an engine block. We'll be following this video up next Friday with us going Office Space on a printer with another thermite grenade.
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A friend of mine was in Viet Nam in the 60's and he worked in an office making maps. Sitting on top of every file cabinet was a thermite grenade. In case they were over run, they were supposed to "pull the pin" before leaving the building. I saw the pictures of this setup, and there were about 2 dozen cabinets with the grenades on top. They were told that they would burn all the way through to the ground. How about testing that theory? With all the paper inside it should make for a cool bonfire.
My father worked as an intelligence officer on an aircraft carrier in the 80's, and their procedure in case of being boarded was similar. They had all the super top secret stuff in an armored filing cabinet, and the procedure was to open the drawer, pull the pin on the thermite grenade, close the drawer, and lock it. The thermite was supposed to destroy everything as it melted its way through the filing cabinet.
he has a vid of that now and it didnt do well
It does not work like that. To much carbon and H2O in the paper. This cools downs the chemical reaction and blocks the heat transfer.
@@AnoNymInvestor LoL, what are you babling about? Seriously nothing from your comments have logical sense.
@@AnoNymInvestor I know you must be trolling to suggest paper is a fire retardant. Especially regarding thermite, which can burn under water. Next time your house is on fire, throw some paper on it buddy.
thermite grenades were originally meant to disable artillery pieces. They were meant to be thrown in the breach, then the breach would be sealed, and the grenade would essentially weld the breach shut, rendering the entire artillery piece totally and irerepairably disabled.
Is it just me, or did he do a stutter step like he wanted to reach back and sit it up, but then remembered what was about to happen? lol
Haha
He totally did
Yea I saw that then it went off,and he said”Yea no”
Lol yep!
Yup. Nailed it!
"reality is often disappointing"
My thoughts exactly. Damn, real life is boring.
What I told your mom on our third date
That's solid life advice for kids.
When I was in basic about 20 years ago, they put one on the hood of an old jeep and it fell through, burnt through a good chunk of the engine, then the frame, and fell through the bottom. I thought it was pretty cool actually lol. But then again later that day a drill sergeant had to pull me down behind cover because when I threw my first live grenade my dumb ass stood there because I was trying to watch it blow up instead of getting behind some damn protective cover haha. So I'm just pretty stupid and nobody should listen to anything I say😆
@@xsixinfantryx You're supposed to throw the grenade not the pin.
Would you be willing to try this with an active engine, like a lawn mower or something?
I concur
what about inside a running dryer?
@@detritus7289 I wonder if you'd get surprisingly spherical little bb's all over the inside.
@@detritus7289 that would be cooler than a an old beater
Thermite Grenade VS 2003 Honda Civic and finish it off with a 2000 lb bomb
Definitely anti-climactic 😂 I wasn’t expecting to burn through the block but I was certainly expecting a lot more damage than that 😂 🤦♂️
Yeah, but it kinda makes sense , you just have molten metall that is heating up 10 times as much cold metall, thats not gonna work.
Most of it is falling off the sides anyways so there is almost no heat transition.
@@yaykruser While understand that this is a lot of iron for a single grenade these things are suppose to be good at destroying "equipment". If you wanted to destroy valuable data on a disc hard drive, this is the only sure fire way with high value data.
@@allstarwoo4 two acronyms
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4
@@stevenraycopley8885 won't make any difference. the problem here is the complete lack of understanding of physics. neither C4 nor thermite are very effective against a solid block of metal unless the energy is focused (shape charge for C4, ceramic containment for thermite).
th-cam.com/video/rUKTIt5GQrM/w-d-xo.html
explains and demonstrates this quite nicely.
While I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, c4 would make a huge difference here, with an amount even half the weight of the thermite grenade.
thermite is used by RR's to weild rail together in the field
Super cool to watch too
My buddy works for CN... can confirm..😉🤙
Years ago I had to get certified in
(Thermite welding) for a RR job we were doing .....
@@donnkelley6823 good to know
Thermowelding is insane and so clean
love the camera angle of burning thermite right in clear view of a used oil tank
Hey guys a pro tip. As someone that has delt with large pools of burning metal over concrete my self let me offer some advice.
Put a couple inch layer of sand or dirt or kitty litter/floor dry down to protect the concrete. This molten metal is really bad for the concrete and causes pretty bad spalling. That barrier will prevent that.
Not to mention if the concrete happens to be wet
I was thinking it was going to crack before he started. Then I thought it was ok because it was just bouncing off... then that puddle formed, then "pop". I think anyone thats heated concrete with a torch knows it destroys it.
I was thinking it was a bad idea to do that on top of any concrete you care about. Plus not too far away there's a large container of used oil. I'm all for doing stupid stuff but.. aren't these guys supposed to be "professionals"?
@@mattwilliams4222 ...and over the other side a big LPG tank
Most likely an ion block, iron heads, and an iron intake manifold. You'd need a lot more thermite to get it hot enough to turn to liquid.
Keep in mind that functional engines have rubber hoses for coolant and fuel brake lines and if the fuel hoses go the vehical will be out of commission for good
Good times!
The thermite doesn't have to melt the engine to disable it, just get some of that particulate into the oil galleys or on bearing surfaces. Any hard debris will very quickly destroy moving parts and cause the engine to seize.
When it fell over and you thought about going back but realised it's a live thermite grenade 😂 😂 😂
Good way to start the morning. Cup of caffee,this video. Why can't every morning be like this lol
Is it weird that I find the sound of the grenade going off incredibly soothing?
They're much more effective on aircraft aluminum/magnesium alloys or where surface damage of steel can get the job done such as disabling artillery via bore or breech.
Or lathes & mills, where sub-millimeter distortions can leave the machine as thousands of pounds of scrap metal.
@@TheAttacker732 Exactly.
Thermite can ignite magnesium castings and blocks, we've done it.
How do we go about getting to tour ordnance lab to hang out and make big things into smaller things?
would be interesting to see the result on an aluminium block, rather than a cast iron one
Hmmm maybe with some powdered rust inside it so the whole engine is a thermite grenade. 😎
That is a lot of cast iron to burn through. If the intake was aluminum, it would have been a much different result.
Next up
Thermate grenade
‘cause the military doesn’t think thermite is strong enough.
Then a thermobaric grenade please!
A 'Thermite' grenade actually contains thermate, not thermite.
That would be the AN-M14 TH3. Not used in this video. fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m14-th3.htm
@@bobguy6542 god bless you for showing me this website
@@watchingyou9037 armypubs? Yeah.. any military document that isn't FOUO or classified, is public information. Every branch has one. That's how we look up the regulations for how to wear our uniforms and such, while we are at our houses. The Army's is 670-1
You know, I always wish you guys picked up the camera and did a close up of the damage in your videos.
I wanted to but I didn't bring the monopod. We were short on time so stuck with the tripod. In future episodes, we shall include up close shots of the damage.
Thank You guys for all this done!!!!
Maybe that engine is minted to resist high temperature??
Great video
The bottom of the grenade is insulating the engine block until the flames get really close. You could just dump the thermite on top of the engine block and get the results you want. There might burn said something like 5000°F, which is about half as hot as the surface of the sun.
I have seen videos doing that and it was exactly the same result. NO damage to the engine block and in that video the termite was laying on top of the block in a huge melted glowing pool of molten metal where pretty much non of it spilled on the ground. Not even they the put the termite into the cylinders of the engine you got any real damage.
@@a64738 you can actually make your own thermite with a belt, sander, and the appropriate role materials. Tool company, Bosch put out a product warning against using the same belt to sand rust (iron oxide) and aluminum, the components of thermite.
@@a64738 Here are a couple of science teachers doing a similar experiment indoors. They point out that this is Ho railroad tracks used to be welded end to end. Yes, it gets that hot.
th-cam.com/video/K2-DrwFwMKM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pz0qZnMCBAdKrMIt
Interesting video.
The thermite charge burned from the top, rather then the bottom, so slot of burn was wasted on this particular unit before it touched the engine. It looked to be better suited to burn in the spoon side down configuration, since it doesn't have a fuse tube to bring the ignition to the bottom. Also of note, this one would be better suited for enclosed spaces, or down the bore of guns and artillery, or safes and holes.
This was my first thought after some basic visual analysis. Not sure how the makers of the video missed it. Prop the can upside down. Then set it off.
Interesting video, not the reaction I was expecting but that engine definitely wouldn't be doing any work afterwards!
Looking forward to future episodes of this new series!
In Kuwait we had 3 of these for a single file cabinet safe, one per drawer. Now I see why it pretty much only burns paper lol.
It was common doctrine on the US side of WW2 to use thermite ordinance in disabling captured field guns. I had no doubt in the melting power of thermite, handheld volcanoes.
Love this look forward to next Friday
I love seeing places that I have actually been to. keep it up, good work.
I started dying at the casual “this things on fire”
That just proves the strength of old American steel.
American Muscle. Solid casting big blocks.
Yeah man 600lb engine and 200 screaming, ground pounding horsepower.
@@Bennett8187 That depends greatly on year and which model vehicle it was being set into or before the old bootleggers gave them a tune-up and turned that 200HP into 500+HP
@@Bennett8187 I’d rather have 200 hp from 400 cubic inches than 400 hp from 200 cubic inches
@@servicetrucker5564 -muh efficiency- more power more better.
For a split second you almost went back to fix the placement of it.
Really enjoy your Videos.
Guten Tag and greetings from over the big Pond.
I'm pretty sure termite grenades were designed to be put in the chambers of howitzer and field guns. And they work best in a slightly confined space.
Hell yeah, thanks for sharing 👍😎
Cast iron engine is going to need containment for great burn through (like under a had or down a cylinder bore.
Now, a composite AL block with steel piston sleeves--that would probably slag out in spectacular fashion.
Flaming Friday in San Francisco 😂😂😂
This guy is the kinda son, that a father says, "I don't know what's going to become of that boy!" LOL
0730 and already that boy ain't right I tell you what
Yeah when the teacher tells you 'You'll never make a living looking out the window'... Making a living driving a truck!
Love me some chemistry! Thanks for sharing sir
Surprisingly left the overhead doors open with all that poppin lol
You were in Conreo! I live 37 minutes away from you and would of loved to see this live.
Most military used grenades are Thermate (AN-M14) is what's written on the side of the can, the grenade generates short bursts of very high temperatures (liquid like lava) focused on a small area for a short period of time (40 seconds). It will melt a hole right through a 2" inch solid metal plate similar to the thickness found on a manhole cover.
waiting for a spring to become a projectile lmao, great video guys, thanks!
Those old iron blocks are tough! I bet more modern engines with plastic intakes and aluminum blocks/heads would be melted right through.
Exactly what I was thinking. That was an old cast block and not aluminum, which I believe would have been destroyed much more thoroughly.
Modern intake manifolds are made of plastic?
@@Evergreen1400 Most of them yes
Had them when I worked at Toyota 25 years ago. So, yeah pretty recent invention.
Well that awesome. Read about the sabotage of machine/equipment during an evac but its cool to see it
Neat. Years ago I watch a demonstration where a M14 incendiary grenade was set in the hood of a M151. Burned thru the engine and fiery slag dripped out of the bottom onto the ground. Probably didn’t make a hole straight thru the engine, but it definitely started on the hood and ended in a flaming mess on the ground. Much respect for the M14 thermate grenade.
This was definitely a FLAMING FRIDAY! LoL 😂
I was one of those folks who worked around thermite in Vietnam in 1970-1971. I worked in a communication center, specifically on SECRET-rated coding equipment (crypto). On the top of each equipment rack was a block of thermite, about 16" square and 1-1/4" thick, with two wires loosely coiled on top. If we were being overrun by the enemy our prime mission was to defend the comm center until the thermite could be ignited, destroying the equipment so it wouldn't fall into enemy hands.
Pretty much any voltage could set it off, even something as simple as a single D-cell battery with the wires held against the two battery terminals. The alternate (if you couldn't find a battery while under attack) was to connect the wires to a field telephone and crank the ring handle. That would produce 90 volts of pulsating DC current.
There was no pin and spoon like a grenade.
I'm not sure where you got those whimpy thermite grenades, but they certainly were not up to old military standards. As part of our thermite training, the instructors set up a V8 block like yours in a gravel field (not concrete). Set off a grenade and in a matter of about 20 seconds it burned completely through the block. When we were allowed to view it after some cooling there was a perfect 3" hole burned completely through the engine.
Our equipment blocks had a label that read, "Remember the Pueblo". It referred to an incident where the USS Pueblo spy ship was attacked and captured by North Vietnamese gun boats, with the compromise of classified equipment (and life). Google it.
Tape a WP grenade to a claymore, supposedly that was a Vietnam thing.
Never heard of that. I've heard of pulling the pin on a grenade and laying it under the claymore so the spoon is held to prevent tampering, though.
Ahh a close up "shake n bake"(a term for explosives used in conjuction with phosphorus)very nasty indeed
I heard they also liked to use claymores set inside a tilted drum or pipe full of fu gas (napalm) and use the claymores blast (and handy command detonation feature) along with a flare wired to the same circuit to launch a wall of flaming napalm out over the wire (presumably with flaming ball bearings also having a unique effect) to torch Vietcong as they attacked, deny that section from further infiltration for a time being, and act as illumination all in one clacker press.
I would love to see that tested because it sounds cool as fuck.
Thermite is a slow chemical reaction so the Claymore would just blow the thermite into thin air, only the aluminium in it could possibly ignite from contact with high explosive, sealed in a can on the outside of a mine it's highly unlikely.
@@snowflakemelter1172 WP isn't thermite though. The original comment never mentioned taping thermite to a claymore
Hell yeah keepem coming
Note the 1971 Texas license plate on the Oldsmobile 442. Texas allows vintage car owners to register their vehicles with plates of the same model year. Nice touch.
I am not sure is it the casing or some weird mixture with the thermite but those burn really slowly. If you have just plain home made thermite in about 1 liter pile it's just one second and it's all gone. Maybe try mixing some yourself and compare the results. Also the sparks are bit different seems than with plain thermite so something is going on probably with the mixture. For reference here is about 10 liters on top of fire proof safe th-cam.com/video/cnoG1XdRM4M/w-d-xo.html
Also for more interesting results you can try adding some ice around the thing :D But be REALLY FAR away for that
What we need is the secret recipe for Finnish thermite. Like normal thermite but ........Finnishes.......the job quicker.
LOL. I couldn't help it.
I was thinkin the gernade was throwing the thermite upwards instead of into the engine.
@@bootsandboxers5079 it was at first but that was the initiator mix going off then the thermite goes off
I live in Conroe (Montgomery) and I have never heard of them before.
Your other video shows you to be local as well...
Glad to see some local talent around here
Maybe the one on the magnesium parts that some vehicles use? It would be interesting to see if it would ignite the part, since it would look much more spectacular!
Looked like for a split second you thought about straightening that first one after it tipped over, but then the brain instantly said hell nah! ;)
Be interested to see what it does to an aluminum intake/block
The thermite was cool, but I couldn't take my eyes off the background. Vintage Fairlane, GTO, Mustang, 442, and Barracuda... that's my kind of garage!
Flaming Friday might be something that goes on in San Francisco LMFAO 😂😂 o my gosh that straight cracked my shit up still smiling
Cast Iron is a tough metal. And the intake is thick on the spot he set it on. I'm not shocked it didn't burn through. Aluminum would have been a different story.
Very cool!
Lovin' Fridays again.
Great stuff! I'm guessing not all engines use the same metals or alloys of those metals.
I like how at 2:43 give or take he pulls the pin and sits it down and starts to walk away but stops when it falls over a little, and you can see for a split second his brain was like ( go on you have time to stand it back up ) and just as quick he was like F that and walks away.
Take all the ordinance you need to destroy, fill the engine bay with it, pull pin, toss, close hood. Spectacular.
Give me more Ordinance Lab! I love this channel!
Having not seen your previous attempt my guess would be the engine you used had an aluminum intake manifold and head and possibly block. Much lower melting point then the solid cast iron of that engine.
I have literally waited over 30 years for a video of such a demo to surface in the "public domain" so thank you for that, but that being said, I kinda want to know what happens when you toss one of these in the engine compartment of a running vehicle and run away giggling now ...
Even more fun since most engine blocks are aluminium or at least have a large number of components made from it, just add some gallium on a warm day and see what happens
Sounds like they need to do a video collab with Demo Ranch then. He'll definitely get them sorted with that one.
If the engine was as-installed, you'd have fuel and coolant lines, plus all the wiring that would be destroyed. It'd take the vehicle out of service for sure, and probably burn it to the ground.
@@immikeurnot I figure this is the normal "Death process" of a vehicle, but still would be interesting to see just how far along the process one could get before the vehicle quits.
I like the '71 Cutlass in the bay behind him. I had a '70 long ago.
Flamin' fridays sounded perfect though ;)
This channel is highly underrated
My brother worked in the fire department in the Airforce and was stationed in the Philippines. They had a hill outside the base that smugglers used to steal stuff off the Airbase. They would steal everything... fencing, runway lights, power cables, and even a bomb loader. The Airforce decided the remove the jungle on this hill. They did things like wrap primer cord around banana trees (which are so soft you can kick them down). He got a whole case of thermite grenades. The idea is the hammer pierces the can to let air in. As the thermite gets hotter it melts the canister. So what they did was throw it as high as they could so the can would disintegrate at the top of its arc and spread thermite over a large area. You would think being a fireman they would not want to start fires... Nope.
_Not that there's anything wrong with that._
Hahaha! Trust me, even some of us enjoy watching things go kaboom.
LOL. Oddly enough, my most heavily armed friend is gay and it confuses the hell out of his overly macho associates. He is def apocalypse ready.
Should put one on a live running engine
I can’t wait for another episode of Flaming Fridays.
lol Flaming Friday!!!!
Today I was at an abandoned site at the Trainstation and I was just looking around not searching for anything particular. I found a shit ton of little containers wich had powder in it what appeared to be iron powder. I found on the internet by the label on the containers that I had just found more than 500 grams of aluminum/copper oxide thermite. It has been a good day:)
And yes, any which way you deploy one of those, it never matters how it lands. It will still do enough damage to render the object it’s on or in, scuttled. Very accurate point about embassies btw!
What if you put a magnesium sphere or disk in the bottom of the thermite canister? Would that improve penetration through the engine block?
Obviously not a huge risk of spread of sparks & fire with these but I love seeing expensive muscle cars and a tank labeled "used oil" in the background haha
Can you get your hands on any kind of rocket? I’ve always wondered what a law or rpg would do to a car. Does the relatively thin skin of a car offer enough resistance to detonate the warhead?
Great vid thx ;)
The grenade Manual stipulates strategic placement of thermite grenades in equipment such as tanks etc. If not the equipment could possibly be usable post demo.
You had the business end of the thermite facing up!!!!!!
That wasn't overly bright doing that on someones concrete pad., saw that coming. An engine block is a big chunk of thick metal. My rocket science degree I got for 3 box tops of Kelloggs cornflakes, tells me that that chunk of cast iron is a humungus heat sink. It will wick that heat away as fast as it's produced. That type of reaction works well to burn thru sheet metal materials only . Yes yes it can weld railroad track, but the contraption strapped to the track is a large funnel thing that is lined with fire brick for insulation and a considerable amount of thermite is used and is directed into a small gap between the rails, plus the ends are usually preheated with acetylene burners the size similar to a tiger torch so most of the heat goes into melting the parent metal on the faces of the track joints.
I keep hearing people say that but truthfully if you are thermiting two sticks of track together each of which are like 50 feet long and many tons of heat sinc.
lol @ growing his hair out to avoid the Jim Carrey jokes
I believe I found a new channel that I like.
That looked really fun!
'jim carry' casually walks away... 🤣 Im kidding!!!
Nice to see the oil in the corner when there's sparks fly around
Thanks for scratching that itch lol
Personally,
I think that you should have zip tie to a screwdriver for a stanoff. So that you could have stuck into intake & hold the Th. Grnd. inverted above engine enough to blast the heat & skag straight into the target.
Thanks for sharing.
See you next time.
Had to give it a thumbs up...that high-tech measurement equipment wasn't cheap.
Fire It Up Friday lol
Wow, this was lit...
Flaming Fridays: Drag queens throwing thermite grenades. I'd subscribe!
you had me at "grenade"
Would be neat to see what it does to a _running_ engine... :-)
I had to see this!!!
I bet it would have been more interesting with a full carburetor installed