@@andrewclodfelter3782 possibly a EPS for the slightly larger window size. Midway shipped me a EPS instead of an EPS carry so I'm running the EPS on my macro lol, fits my holsters fine and the overhang is barely noticeable.
@@fragger56 I did something similar. I didn't realize there was a difference and ordered an EPS. I put it on my Macro and almost said screw it and run it anyway. I loved the window size but the hang over on the sides of the slide forced me to return it and order a carry model. It fits much better. I just wish they made an acss with a dot for the EPS carry. Perfection.
Just a little thing to prevent confusion: the 509T v2 is just the 509T with a different button arrangement to avoid Trijicon’s lawyers shitting themselves for patent infringement. The 509T X2 is what you referring to in the video.
Not quite. The 407/507/508 all had V2 models that had larger buttons vertically aligned. The X2 revision saw them swap to small buttons horizontally aligned. The 509T never had the V2 designation, just X2 and non-X2. They were also never part of the Trijicon lawsuit since Trijicon doesn't make an enclosed emitter pistol dot. The big difference between the X2 and non-X2 was tinting and apparent magnification. The X2 was significantly flatter and appeared less tinted. Also, the button placement was consistent between both versions, it always had bigger horizontally aligned buttons.
I hope whoever at the patent office that granted the "big buttons and the up button goes on top" gets hit by a hypersonic 507C that falls off of a sounding rocket for some reason.
Does anyone know if the 509T sits lower than a 507C/EPS + rail mount adapter? Or if it's the same? I'm planning to mount one of these on my Taurus Raging Hunter.
The 509 acss is nice on a 45 degree mount on a rifle. The chevron indicates the horizontal plane much better than a dot and thus helps establish a more precise zero.
I love my EPS. I've had it for about 9 months now, about 1k rounds through the 19x it's on. It's still on it's first battery, with daily carry and auto shutoff set to 2 hours (I believe.) I also left it outside overnight for a whole week during -20f weather to see what it would do, never noticed any issues at all
I absolutely love my EPS. I have the larger one on a PDP compact that I carry every day. Open emitter optics get so dirty so fast if you carry it regularly. The EPS also maintains very clear glass with minimal distortion and blue tint. If you can fit it on something….. GET IT. It’s a VERY good EDC red dot
if anyone is considering replacing their 507k with the eps carry, I HIGHLY recommend it. The glass is so clear & having a closed emitter is so useful for conceal carry
@@stainlessmvp yup same footprint. Bro I would never recommend replacing an optic that’s already fine if it wasn’t work the upgrade. It’s a real game changer fr. I have the 2moa green
@@stainlessmvpsame boat here… love the 407k but every day I’m blowing and wiping shit off the glass, it would be so much easier with the EPS. 100% would still recommend the 407/507’s. Worth every penny but damn that EPS is sexy and I can’t resist
Romeo 2. HUGE window and thin bezel, super clear glass under NV, and built like a tank with its replaceable outer shroud. Definitely a slept on optic choice.
Big sleeper. I checked mine under nods vs my buddy's P2 and I'm fairly certain the Romeo 2 had a better/clearer sight picture. That said, I think my battery just died after only 9 months.
- Overpriced (more expensive than anything on this list - Not purged - Worse battery life - Plastic rear lens when used in the "enclosed" configuration - Sig-centric mouning The price alone makes me chuckle at the thought of it being "slept on". It's an awkward middle ground. Buy enclosed, or buy open. There is no reason to buy a hybrid.
I got the first batch of law enforcement Holosun EPS in October 2022. It's been running great since. Auto adjustnworks well because I can set a minimum brightness and it will brighten up when I step outside.
I’ll be stepping up as the Steiner MPS defender. When it comes to pistol mounting, the lower window is fantastic when you consider your back up irons, a specific concern to pistols, but a highly valid one at that. Mind you, I don’t see the irons as a “failsafe” in case the optic goes down, so much as an instant sighting solution when your dot potentially gets washed out. Either by your WML or sudden unanticipated lighting change to brighter than you have it set for. Or even something as realistic as aiming towards headlights. Where there is optic washout, there is going to be a great iron sight silhouette. That being said, trying to find iron sight solutions for the other options here is about as agonizing as trying to find one for the DPP. Until Unity Tactical comes out with some tall boy irons, you’re gonna struggle to get a good witness. My personal setup even rides on an RMR to ACRO plate, yet despite that, I get a perfect witness. (My standard being the rear sight valley is flush with the window. The iron sights I suggest for this is the Night Fision brand specific suppressor height because they are slight taller than traditional. They work fine for the 509t as well, though you get half the tritium vials through the window. Not to mention the 509t often has excessive glue around the edge being slightly obstructive to irons. If you have a direct mill ACRO cut, suppressor heights may ironically be too obstructive. Night Fision makes “optic height” which fills that in between of standard height vs suppressor height. The money you save between an MPS and an ACRO P-2 can afford you enough batteries for you and your grandchildren’s lifetime.
Steiner MPS: The Good- Crispy dot and best one under nods imo, survived Run n Guns, rolling around at the range, and the occasional yeetings. Also, very clear window, emitter is on top which helps when shooting towards the sun. The Bad- 3-4 month battery life on the always on setting, older caps were a super soft aluminum so you'd destroy the cap easily when removing the battery. Also buttons are actually pretty hard to depress for a long period of time when trying to adjust the setting. ACRO: The Good - okay under nods but the dot is crisp during the day, housing is thicc but gets better after training, I'd assume it do well under torture (just acquired). Get to flex on the poors. The Bad- price, torx wrench adjustment, and sits pretty high compared the MPS so I lose my standard height rear irons. Buttons aren't terrible but do leave things to be desired. Holosun 509T The Good: budget friendly, water proof when sealed properly, great battery life, and okay under nods, surprisingly crisper dot than the ACRO (with my astigmatism). The Bad - honestly, just poor QC. I'm not anti Holosun because I keep buying them but I've had the glue that holds the lens melt off, canted red dots, large amount of fish bowling or distortion in the lens, and the side battery flying out under recoil even when torqued properly. Of course, all of this is anecdotal. Run your gear and figure out what you like best 🤙
The STEINER MPS is my only MRDS-E that hasn't fogged due to temperature and elevation changes. The Aimpoint gave up just sitting on my G20 in a backpack after a trip to 10,000ft camping overnight. I got into my bag to put it on inside the Jeep with the heater on and it immediately fogged up before my eyes!.Aimpoint instantly gave me an RMA number and a shipping label but damn. The MPS has been on that same trip in colder conditions multiple times while I was still waiting for P2s to be in stock anywhere with no such problems. The substitute optic I only bought because there were no P2s available seems to be the better unit. I just have to feed it batteries every 90 days like a friggin EOTech..
I currently have 6 509T out of the two V1 one has failed by condensation after a snowy USPSA match. Sent it back to Holosun for a V2 replacement. Beside that it's been rock solid as a CCW, competition, and rained/snowed/frozen without issues on all the other 509T V1/V2.
Thanks for doing this video. I'm currently trying to decide which dot to go with because I need to get my slide milled. Looks like the EPS Carry is a great option.
@@mikehoncho4637 I will be, it's just annoying that this will be the third steiner product I've sent back for warranty so far. I took a chance, thinking this would be different but....steiner gonna steiner.
I’m gonna have to take a look at my MPS again under NV, but I don’t recall having any issues using it for passive aiming. Lighting conditions were pretty nice that night though so that could be why.
I tried the MPS when it came out. It now runs on ALL of my pistols. I think it just gets some hate because it’s Steiner. If it had a different name on it, ppl would be all over it. It’s a sleeper. Get one.
I have 2 ACROs very happy with them, if Steiner used a 2032 battery I'd get one. They've gone up in price too because of their popularity. They're $600 now. No way I'm buying it at that price.
Curve ball, I bought the Sig Romeo 2, it's Aimpoint expensive, but I kinda like it more than my P2, it's got a much bigger window, smaller bezel, decent if quite small buttons, and very good NV performance. Drawbacks are it's footprint doesn't work with a lot of shit out there (unless you file front lugs off) and I hate that it isn't a dedicated enclosed red dot, because honestly if it was and used an ACRO footprint I would probably sell my other dots.
This is my first time watching one of your videos, and I am immensely impressed by the caliber of your content and comments. Please keep up the good work.
As of today 1/23/24, I cannot recommend the steiner MPS optic for duty use. I have less then 100 rounds of 9mm through my duty gun with the MPS. Today during a live fire exercise in 30 degree Fahrenheit conditions, the emitter failed. The dot just straight up poof gone. Changed out 3 batteries and same same. I also noticed the o ring to battery cap came detached as well. I will not trust my life or other Officers lives to this. The optic was literally babied during its very short life span on my gun. It's very unfortunate because the wide field of view, crisp dot, clear glass and enclosed style sight was really intriguing. I will try the ACRO and see what happens..
Then don’t try Acro or Holosun since both have the same reported issues , look it up online there will always be lemons and sounds like you hit the crap lottery . Send it back and get a refund.
Haven't watched the video yet but I'll add an edit at the bottom when I do. I have an Acro p2, got it almost a year ago, 6500+ rounds later it has an amazingly crisp dot, pretty good NV performance, etc but the acros have been plagued with issues, although my acro doesnt have any of the fogging issues that are common it does have some minor flaking of the paint in the sacrificial lense.
I will take EPD ALL day. it's fast to pick up and low mount height are awesome. There is a half-contender that's not mentioned here for the Sig shooter in some (most) of us: the Romeo 2. It's HUGE and anything that's not a full sized pistol is just silly, but it's bomb-proof. It's only a half-contender because it's enclosure is removeable which makes it's extremely versatile. the downside is you need a aridly dry environment to put the optic together in enclosed pistol optic configuration or it will fog up, but it has survived all kinds of torture tests. I put mine together over the winter where the air was so dry I had to wear a anti-static wrist strap in my house. no issues.
I have 2 507cs, and 1 407c, all on handguns (1 507 lived through around 1k rounds on a 7.62 ak before getting put on a handgun) which between all 3 have about 15,000 rounds through them, and none have had any issues, and none have been sent back. When I decide to dip my toes into the closed emitter world, it's going to be the EPS, no questions asked.
I love the steiner so far. The window is awesome and i like how low the glass sits since the emitter is on top. If it holds up long term ill be happy with it. I hope they come out with a v2 version that has a 2032 battery. Id buy another one if it had better battery life.
Dont. Mine failed on my duty gun after 80 rounds of 9mm... i loved the sight given its features but the emitter failed and it was then a paperweight on my glock.@kaidennall479
@@Blue-yk8tt wish you would’ve reached out slightly earlier got one, mounting bolt failed after 1 match so close to 300 rounds, hopefully they don’t deny my claim, may have “ accidentally” locktited that thing in bc I didn’t want it to come off lol
Funny that Holosun has innovated their red dots, the EPS line has performed and held up great. It's hard to drop $600 & still have to use a plate. Along with many people having condensation problems & some just dying.
I have a 509T OG that's doing fine, and a EPSc that is genuinely the ideal option for something that gets as much fuzz and lint as it does. I sill likely look at an MPS eventually as they can be found for around 350-450 (I actually found a vendor running a sale for 353 right now). PS. The Kraken seems to struggle with keeping water out. So don't get it wet. As for proper destructive testing, I haven't seen it yet.
The Kraken mount looks like the engineers made it ACRO compatible but then the marketing team made a demand. I have 2 MPSs, I like em, one's currently sitting on a Maxim9 because _Robocop_ and the other is on an APX. I can't comment on battery life because I don't keep them on constantly, but excluding battery life I like pretty much everything about it. The top mounted battery seems like a good idea to cut down on horizontal bulk.
EPS. They’re dropping so many S tier optics now it’s getting really, really hard to buy anything else. Form factor, features, performance, price…… It’s a formula that just works for me.
Exactly, just don’t admit to destroying it or sign anything, that’s how they’ll obtain a search warrant. Attorneys say to keep quiet, let them know if they are working under official capacity they are legally entitled to lie, therefore, you won’t be answering any questions or signing anything without an attorney present. Politely ask them to leave especially if wearing civilian clothes, you could inform them you question their validity, in fear of a home invasion, and call the police.
I acquired a 509t when they were on clearance before the x2 came out. First I tried it on an ultra light ar15 build with scalarworks rmr mount + adapter plate. Then I moved it to a Glock 17 also with the rmr adapter plate. I guess I'd just prefer a direct mount option. Thinking about either getting a 509t reptilia mount or an attero arms 509t mount for an ak74 with a wire sidefolder.
AND the HOLOSUN AEMS!! (For PCCs) Have both the 509T on a pistol and the AEMS on my totally upgraded RUGER PC chassis carbine. Best damn PCC red dot made - IMHO.
It's not shown here but I recently picked up the LP1 from Lead&Steel and its been solid so far. I got it around the 250 range but it's like 330 now and it's gonna go up again sometime in May. If this price drops back down its definitely gonna be one of the more notable budget options if they can keep demand up
@@BrassFacts honestly I wasn't paying deep attention to the video and just thought this was inline with Hops mailbox battle Royale, not more pistol dots specifically. They do plan on making a pistol dot variant for it though
@@Jimmy.O. They just updated the design, ditched the defender etching and added a small "roof". Didn't update the website tho. Not sure how I feel about it yet.
Knew I stumbled upon a quality channel when you mentioned your links and then to shop around bc they’re not always the best prices. Can’t say I’ve ever heard any other TH-camr say anything near that.
I pair the Swampfox Kraken with Swampfox Hostile Engagement mount for their scopes. Had one go down on pistol. Customer service was amazing, but will not put back on pistols, think the reciprocation of slide knock a connector loose. Great for rifle though.
I prefer auto adjust thats y I like trijicon and for my eyes the trijicons autoadjust is always perfect or mayb a little to bright but I'd rather be alittle to bright then not bright enough and I've had no problems with the auto adjust looking from a dark area out into light but im very interested in checking out the new holosun scs for the p320
Been waiting for this one. Was thinking of putting a kraken on my Frankenstein of a G19 build just cuz it's weird. Guess I'm not considering it anymore now.
That shitty, hazy blue tint is the notch filter and that's what allows the longer battery life. Since most of these things have optical clarity that looks like cheap sunglasses from a Vietnamese gas station I'll happily change some Steiner MPS batteries once per season to have crystal clear images and a huge window.
Puts on white gloves, top hat and monocle. Best upper class English accent: My ACRO-P2 is great with the most excellent of buttons and is easy to find if you know a good fellow.
My ACRO P-2 doesn’t hold windage zero (wanders about half a front sight width when manipulating slide). I’ve tried two different mounts and I’ve sent it back to Aimpoint with no success. Everything is torqued to spec with a torque screwdriver. Supposedly Forward Controls Design is releasing a heavier duty mounting bracket at some point to fix this. Has anyone else had this problem?
The EPS is legit. Strongly recommend.
Just put an eps carry on a sig macro and honestly can't say there is any other optic I would want on it.
@@andrewclodfelter3782 possibly a EPS for the slightly larger window size.
Midway shipped me a EPS instead of an EPS carry so I'm running the EPS on my macro lol, fits my holsters fine and the overhang is barely noticeable.
@@fragger56 I did something similar. I didn't realize there was a difference and ordered an EPS. I put it on my Macro and almost said screw it and run it anyway. I loved the window size but the hang over on the sides of the slide forced me to return it and order a carry model. It fits much better. I just wish they made an acss with a dot for the EPS carry. Perfection.
Got the eps mrs on my x macro tacops. Love it.
Just got the EPS a couple weeks ago, very happy with it so far
12:56 "I've already had my moment with window size so I'll spare you that pane." Ha.
Just a little thing to prevent confusion: the 509T v2 is just the 509T with a different button arrangement to avoid Trijicon’s lawyers shitting themselves for patent infringement. The 509T X2 is what you referring to in the video.
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It has better glass too. It's noticeably less distorted on the X2 vs the OG 509T.
Not quite. The 407/507/508 all had V2 models that had larger buttons vertically aligned. The X2 revision saw them swap to small buttons horizontally aligned. The 509T never had the V2 designation, just X2 and non-X2. They were also never part of the Trijicon lawsuit since Trijicon doesn't make an enclosed emitter pistol dot. The big difference between the X2 and non-X2 was tinting and apparent magnification. The X2 was significantly flatter and appeared less tinted. Also, the button placement was consistent between both versions, it always had bigger horizontally aligned buttons.
I hope whoever at the patent office that granted the "big buttons and the up button goes on top" gets hit by a hypersonic 507C that falls off of a sounding rocket for some reason.
Does anyone know if the 509T sits lower than a 507C/EPS + rail mount adapter? Or if it's the same? I'm planning to mount one of these on my Taurus Raging Hunter.
The 509 acss is nice on a 45 degree mount on a rifle. The chevron indicates the horizontal plane much better than a dot and thus helps establish a more precise zero.
love my acss, hadn't considered the value on offset. Good call.
I love my EPS. I've had it for about 9 months now, about 1k rounds through the 19x it's on. It's still on it's first battery, with daily carry and auto shutoff set to 2 hours (I believe.) I also left it outside overnight for a whole week during -20f weather to see what it would do, never noticed any issues at all
I absolutely love my EPS. I have the larger one on a PDP compact that I carry every day. Open emitter optics get so dirty so fast if you carry it regularly. The EPS also maintains very clear glass with minimal distortion and blue tint. If you can fit it on something….. GET IT. It’s a VERY good EDC red dot
Definitely giving the EPS and EPS carry a hard look for my competition gun and carry gun respectively.
Scouring my YT for something fresh to watch, Lo and behold a new brass facts video- truly a blessing from the lord
if anyone is considering replacing their 507k with the eps carry, I HIGHLY recommend it. The glass is so clear & having a closed emitter is so useful for conceal carry
Damn it, you’re going to make me spend money to do just that. Love my 407K but it’s a lint magnet. Same footprint right?
@@stainlessmvp yup same footprint. Bro I would never recommend replacing an optic that’s already fine if it wasn’t work the upgrade. It’s a real game changer fr. I have the 2moa green
@@stainlessmvpsame boat here… love the 407k but every day I’m blowing and wiping shit off the glass, it would be so much easier with the EPS. 100% would still recommend the 407/507’s. Worth every penny but damn that EPS is sexy and I can’t resist
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Dude, that was…awesome.
That voldemort impression had me dying 😂
I guess the Avada Kedavra worked.
MPS guy here. Love it. No clue about battery life yet but it’s awesome
I've been running my 509t for about 4 years now. Absolutely love it. But I really want to get my hands on that EPS in a bad way.
Same thing here. Really curious how the EPS holds up over time.
@@Pouncer_Fox I’m waiting to hear feedback. I trust the 509t V2 and it’s never failed me.
Romeo 2. HUGE window and thin bezel, super clear glass under NV, and built like a tank with its replaceable outer shroud. Definitely a slept on optic choice.
Great if you use your handgun under nods all the time.
Big sleeper. I checked mine under nods vs my buddy's P2 and I'm fairly certain the Romeo 2 had a better/clearer sight picture. That said, I think my battery just died after only 9 months.
I like it, especially if you are already shooting P320s.
As a man of a Certain Age that cannot see well up close, a vocal second!
- Overpriced (more expensive than anything on this list
- Not purged
- Worse battery life
- Plastic rear lens when used in the "enclosed" configuration
- Sig-centric mouning
The price alone makes me chuckle at the thought of it being "slept on". It's an awkward middle ground. Buy enclosed, or buy open. There is no reason to buy a hybrid.
I got the first batch of law enforcement Holosun EPS in October 2022. It's been running great since. Auto adjustnworks well because I can set a minimum brightness and it will brighten up when I step outside.
From SubStar, we lub u too. Also, please gib some more B-Roll of Nova.
More NOVA!!
I’ll be stepping up as the Steiner MPS defender.
When it comes to pistol mounting, the lower window is fantastic when you consider your back up irons, a specific concern to pistols, but a highly valid one at that.
Mind you, I don’t see the irons as a “failsafe” in case the optic goes down, so much as an instant sighting solution when your dot potentially gets washed out. Either by your WML or sudden unanticipated lighting change to brighter than you have it set for. Or even something as realistic as aiming towards headlights. Where there is optic washout, there is going to be a great iron sight silhouette.
That being said, trying to find iron sight solutions for the other options here is about as agonizing as trying to find one for the DPP. Until Unity Tactical comes out with some tall boy irons, you’re gonna struggle to get a good witness.
My personal setup even rides on an RMR to ACRO plate, yet despite that, I get a perfect witness. (My standard being the rear sight valley is flush with the window.
The iron sights I suggest for this is the Night Fision brand specific suppressor height because they are slight taller than traditional. They work fine for the 509t as well, though you get half the tritium vials through the window. Not to mention the 509t often has excessive glue around the edge being slightly obstructive to irons.
If you have a direct mill ACRO cut, suppressor heights may ironically be too obstructive. Night Fision makes “optic height” which fills that in between of standard height vs suppressor height.
The money you save between an MPS and an ACRO P-2 can afford you enough batteries for you and your grandchildren’s lifetime.
Steiner MPS:
The Good- Crispy dot and best one under nods imo, survived Run n Guns, rolling around at the range, and the occasional yeetings. Also, very clear window, emitter is on top which helps when shooting towards the sun.
The Bad- 3-4 month battery life on the always on setting, older caps were a super soft aluminum so you'd destroy the cap easily when removing the battery. Also buttons are actually pretty hard to depress for a long period of time when trying to adjust the setting.
ACRO:
The Good - okay under nods but the dot is crisp during the day, housing is thicc but gets better after training, I'd assume it do well under torture (just acquired). Get to flex on the poors.
The Bad- price, torx wrench adjustment, and sits pretty high compared the MPS so I lose my standard height rear irons. Buttons aren't terrible but do leave things to be desired.
Holosun 509T
The Good: budget friendly, water proof when sealed properly, great battery life, and okay under nods, surprisingly crisper dot than the ACRO (with my astigmatism).
The Bad - honestly, just poor QC. I'm not anti Holosun because I keep buying them but I've had the glue that holds the lens melt off, canted red dots, large amount of fish bowling or distortion in the lens, and the side battery flying out under recoil even when torqued properly.
Of course, all of this is anecdotal. Run your gear and figure out what you like best 🤙
So….. which one would be the best for a backup 45* mounted dot sight off an mpvo for a 6arc you think?
That YEET transition to pistol at 4 minutes.
The STEINER MPS is my only MRDS-E that hasn't fogged due to temperature and elevation changes. The Aimpoint gave up just sitting on my G20 in a backpack after a trip to 10,000ft camping overnight. I got into my bag to put it on inside the Jeep with the heater on and it immediately fogged up before my eyes!.Aimpoint instantly gave me an RMA number and a shipping label but damn. The MPS has been on that same trip in colder conditions multiple times while I was still waiting for P2s to be in stock anywhere with no such problems.
The substitute optic I only bought because there were no P2s available seems to be the better unit. I just have to feed it batteries every 90 days like a friggin EOTech..
It was the voldemort handgun spell that got me
I currently have 6 509T out of the two V1 one has failed by condensation after a snowy USPSA match. Sent it back to Holosun for a V2 replacement. Beside that it's been rock solid as a CCW, competition, and rained/snowed/frozen without issues on all the other 509T V1/V2.
I went with the 509t x2 for my offset, mainly because I am familiar with the 507c and I like the circle dot reticle. Couldn't be happier.
I've really been considering the Holosun 509 RDS with the ACSS Vulcan reticle.
You might want to hold off to see if they are going to make the EPS ACSS Vulcan reticle instead because they(Holosun) might get rid of the 509t
Thanks for doing this video. I'm currently trying to decide which dot to go with because I need to get my slide milled. Looks like the EPS Carry is a great option.
I been really lookin at the Steiner as a great offering & this is one more push towards it.
I really like my Steiner as a pistol optic
I bought one to throw on my PDP. After a single range trip, it now has a small screw or pin or something, rattling around. YMMV
@KirrenMirsalas lmao. I just got one for my new pdp pro full size. Why don't you send it back for warranty?
@@mikehoncho4637 I will be, it's just annoying that this will be the third steiner product I've sent back for warranty so far. I took a chance, thinking this would be different but....steiner gonna steiner.
@KirrenMirsalas damn. Here I am fingers crossed. Just got the pdp and got the red dot mounted. Range day Tomorrow bro wish me luck lmao
I’m gonna have to take a look at my MPS again under NV, but I don’t recall having any issues using it for passive aiming. Lighting conditions were pretty nice that night though so that could be why.
Ok the review is valuable, but the real treasure of this video is your take on voldemort. I'm ded
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I tried the MPS when it came out. It now runs on ALL of my pistols. I think it just gets some hate because it’s Steiner. If it had a different name on it, ppl would be all over it. It’s a sleeper. Get one.
I have 2 ACROs very happy with them, if Steiner used a 2032 battery I'd get one. They've gone up in price too because of their popularity. They're $600 now. No way I'm buying it at that price.
Curve ball, I bought the Sig Romeo 2, it's Aimpoint expensive, but I kinda like it more than my P2, it's got a much bigger window, smaller bezel, decent if quite small buttons, and very good NV performance. Drawbacks are it's footprint doesn't work with a lot of shit out there (unless you file front lugs off) and I hate that it isn't a dedicated enclosed red dot, because honestly if it was and used an ACRO footprint I would probably sell my other dots.
Early access on Patreon?
Sage Dynamics said that thing is very good.
The Harry Potter skit had me rolling 🤣
This is my first time watching one of your videos, and I am immensely impressed by the caliber of your content and comments. Please keep up the good work.
As of today 1/23/24, I cannot recommend the steiner MPS optic for duty use. I have less then 100 rounds of 9mm through my duty gun with the MPS. Today during a live fire exercise in 30 degree Fahrenheit conditions, the emitter failed. The dot just straight up poof gone. Changed out 3 batteries and same same. I also noticed the o ring to battery cap came detached as well. I will not trust my life or other Officers lives to this. The optic was literally babied during its very short life span on my gun. It's very unfortunate because the wide field of view, crisp dot, clear glass and enclosed style sight was really intriguing. I will try the ACRO and see what happens..
Then don’t try Acro or Holosun since both have the same reported issues , look it up online there will always be lemons and sounds like you hit the crap lottery .
Send it back and get a refund.
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The Kraken and the Cyelee Bear look like they could come from the same factory.
Haven't watched the video yet but I'll add an edit at the bottom when I do.
I have an Acro p2, got it almost a year ago, 6500+ rounds later it has an amazingly crisp dot, pretty good NV performance, etc but the acros have been plagued with issues, although my acro doesnt have any of the fogging issues that are common it does have some minor flaking of the paint in the sacrificial lense.
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I will take EPD ALL day. it's fast to pick up and low mount height are awesome. There is a half-contender that's not mentioned here for the Sig shooter in some (most) of us: the Romeo 2. It's HUGE and anything that's not a full sized pistol is just silly, but it's bomb-proof. It's only a half-contender because it's enclosure is removeable which makes it's extremely versatile. the downside is you need a aridly dry environment to put the optic together in enclosed pistol optic configuration or it will fog up, but it has survived all kinds of torture tests. I put mine together over the winter where the air was so dry I had to wear a anti-static wrist strap in my house. no issues.
I have 2 507cs, and 1 407c, all on handguns (1 507 lived through around 1k rounds on a 7.62 ak before getting put on a handgun) which between all 3 have about 15,000 rounds through them, and none have had any issues, and none have been sent back. When I decide to dip my toes into the closed emitter world, it's going to be the EPS, no questions asked.
The Trijicon RMR Type 2 RM06 is still the king and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.
Nova. The red eyed, Jedi. Such a happy girl! Thanks for the share!!
I love the steiner so far. The window is awesome and i like how low the glass sits since the emitter is on top. If it holds up long term ill be happy with it. I hope they come out with a v2 version that has a 2032 battery. Id buy another one if it had better battery life.
How’s it holding up I’m thinking about getting one
Dont. Mine failed on my duty gun after 80 rounds of 9mm... i loved the sight given its features but the emitter failed and it was then a paperweight on my glock.@kaidennall479
@@Blue-yk8tt wish you would’ve reached out slightly earlier got one, mounting bolt failed after 1 match so close to 300 rounds, hopefully they don’t deny my claim, may have “ accidentally” locktited that thing in bc I didn’t want it to come off lol
My pistol optic uses a 1632 and after almost 2 years I changed it, guess a short shut down and shake awake feature really does make a difference
c&h precision just released a line of their red dots, i know they are the go to for optic plates. but their arco clone looks alright.
side by side it looks nearly identical to the swampfox kraken
CHPWS has dogshit QC making little metal plates, I'd hate to know how bad their quality control is for full-on optics.
C&H has horrible fitting plates. Supposed to be "precision" but the slop is ridiculous. My free plate from Walther was 10 times better than that junk.
Funny that Holosun has innovated their red dots, the EPS line has performed and held up great. It's hard to drop $600 & still have to use a plate. Along with many people having condensation problems & some just dying.
I have a 509T OG that's doing fine, and a EPSc that is genuinely the ideal option for something that gets as much fuzz and lint as it does.
I sill likely look at an MPS eventually as they can be found for around 350-450 (I actually found a vendor running a sale for 353 right now).
PS. The Kraken seems to struggle with keeping water out. So don't get it wet. As for proper destructive testing, I haven't seen it yet.
I have 3 MPSs that are still on original battery. Always on. About to hit 1 year in June
The Kraken mount looks like the engineers made it ACRO compatible but then the marketing team made a demand.
I have 2 MPSs, I like em, one's currently sitting on a Maxim9 because _Robocop_ and the other is on an APX. I can't comment on battery life because I don't keep them on constantly, but excluding battery life I like pretty much everything about it. The top mounted battery seems like a good idea to cut down on horizontal bulk.
Man I wish the apx had better aftermarket support. I had one and loved it.
Holosun swinging way above their weight class and knocking the top dogs out. Per usual.
I fucking lost it at the Voldemort impression. Classic. ❤😂
When I saw this video pop up I thought “this is my dream video” I’m so excited to watch it.
EPS. They’re dropping so many S tier optics now it’s getting really, really hard to buy anything else. Form factor, features, performance, price…… It’s a formula that just works for me.
The Harry Potter reference got me!
I'm getting close to 3k on my 509t. It's been really solid so far!
thank you for validating my p2 purchase , I bought it on reddit for 580 shipped brand new 3 months ago
Exactly, just don’t admit to destroying it or sign anything, that’s how they’ll obtain a search warrant. Attorneys say to keep quiet, let them know if they are working under official capacity they are legally entitled to lie, therefore, you won’t be answering any questions or signing anything without an attorney present. Politely ask them to leave especially if wearing civilian clothes, you could inform them you question their validity, in fear of a home invasion, and call the police.
I acquired a 509t when they were on clearance before the x2 came out. First I tried it on an ultra light ar15 build with scalarworks rmr mount + adapter plate. Then I moved it to a Glock 17 also with the rmr adapter plate. I guess I'd just prefer a direct mount option. Thinking about either getting a 509t reptilia mount or an attero arms 509t mount for an ak74 with a wire sidefolder.
AND the HOLOSUN AEMS!! (For PCCs) Have both the 509T on a pistol and the AEMS on my totally upgraded RUGER PC chassis carbine. Best damn PCC red dot made - IMHO.
It's not shown here but I recently picked up the LP1 from Lead&Steel and its been solid so far. I got it around the 250 range but it's like 330 now and it's gonna go up again sometime in May. If this price drops back down its definitely gonna be one of the more notable budget options if they can keep demand up
that's technically just a box shaped optic, but you're never getting one of those on a piggyback or pisto.
Regardless they're sending me one
@@BrassFacts honestly I wasn't paying deep attention to the video and just thought this was inline with Hops mailbox battle Royale, not more pistol dots specifically.
They do plan on making a pistol dot variant for it though
The L&S Pandora is the acro footpring they're gonna be making. I kinda want to pre-order it, but I wanna see it in action before dropping the cash.
@@Jimmy.O. if it's anything like the Promethean than it'll be an alright pick depending on the price.
@@Jimmy.O. They just updated the design, ditched the defender etching and added a small "roof". Didn't update the website tho. Not sure how I feel about it yet.
Whoa!!! I was so excited to see this!!!
You dudes have to get the 509t V2 for these videos… It’s so much better than the V1 imo.
I had one.
@@BrassFacts Well why the hell did you give the V1 the cameo big boy? 😂
Doggo footage makes me feel all warm n fuzzy. Who am I kidding…so does the shooting. 👌🏼🦍🏴
Knew I stumbled upon a quality channel when you mentioned your links and then to shop around bc they’re not always the best prices. Can’t say I’ve ever heard any other TH-camr say anything near that.
Oh hey, it’s that video I asked about. Cool.
This video was a huge help for a piggyback.
I pair the Swampfox Kraken with Swampfox Hostile Engagement mount for their scopes. Had one go down on pistol. Customer service was amazing, but will not put back on pistols, think the reciprocation of slide knock a connector loose. Great for rifle though.
I got a couple of PDP awhile back and needed RDS. I went with 509 since it’s less of a mailbox than other mailboxes
4:05 dat transition tho nice
G34, EPS, CHPWS plate 👌 my fave EDC
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I prefer auto adjust thats y I like trijicon and for my eyes the trijicons autoadjust is always perfect or mayb a little to bright but I'd rather be alittle to bright then not bright enough and I've had no problems with the auto adjust looking from a dark area out into light but im very interested in checking out the new holosun scs for the p320
was genuinely shopping for one while on TH-cam lol nice timing
Been waiting for this one. Was thinking of putting a kraken on my Frankenstein of a G19 build just cuz it's weird. Guess I'm not considering it anymore now.
The EPS Carry 2/32 MOA (MRS) Green dot w/solar option is the best for EDC imo.
Mounted on an Mc9 - It’s perfect!
Is yours distorted? Mine warps everywhere but bottom center even after RMA. I feel crazy reading everyone else loving it. My first red dot
That shitty, hazy blue tint is the notch filter and that's what allows the longer battery life. Since most of these things have optical clarity that looks like cheap sunglasses from a Vietnamese gas station I'll happily change some Steiner MPS batteries once per season to have crystal clear images and a huge window.
509t is a stout mailbox. yeeted itself at my forehead (adapter sammiches suck), and works great since
7:59 Thank you. Finally someone said it.
Finally a video I’m looking for
I’m really curious how the Holosun SCS320 will stack up as an enclosed option without the battery.
I'd like to see that in this mix.
I mouted an EPS as a piggyback on my rifle using evolution gun works Universal piggyback mounting system. Its great!
I see you’re getting wise to my nova games. Trying to get me learn more.
Comprehensive as always I love it
Why is every holosun reticle canted?
*Clicks on video, skips to last 15s for doggo, restarts video*
Awesome review. Love your sarcastic quips haha
Puts on white gloves, top hat and monocle.
Best upper class English accent: My ACRO-P2 is great with the most excellent of buttons and is easy to find if you know a good fellow.
I like how you carry your last mag in a spare pistol
I have well over 10k rounds on a single 507c and around 5k for the t serious and absolutely zero issues as of yet.
Dude. Why is it raining inside your INDOOR range @12:20 ?
magic.
It's not a indoor range.
I thought same thing. Like, wtf? Cool effect though.
Released just in time, Im about to buy of of these
Steiner MPS is my EDC optic. Haven't had an issue with the battery life. But I replace my batteries once a year anyway.
How do you like the 14 hr shutoff? Do you find it's adequate for EDC.
@@HawaiiFoodAndFun You can turn that off if you don't like it.
@@myelling7773 I know. Was wondering if you used the shutoff and liked it.
1:00 "1 Cuck = 1 MOA" 😳
I had no idea Donnie Brasco did optic reviews ;) Outstanding job on this review. One of the best hands down.
My ACRO P-2 doesn’t hold windage zero (wanders about half a front sight width when manipulating slide). I’ve tried two different mounts and I’ve sent it back to Aimpoint with no success. Everything is torqued to spec with a torque screwdriver. Supposedly Forward Controls Design is releasing a heavier duty mounting bracket at some point to fix this. Has anyone else had this problem?
Will eventually upgrade to the eps for my carry gun.
Just the video I needed thank you!
I'm that weirdo that will consider an optic solely based on its appearance
As much as I like the idea of function over form, sometimes that "second kind of cool" takes first place.
As long as it does not immediately impinge on your ability to produce results, there is nothing wrong with focusing on cosmetics.
I don’t get that at all tbh
@@PHIllip324 yeah I don't want it to break right away either lmao
I bought a Holosun 509T before I even got my first firearm! ...It's been great, so I bought a second when the X2 came out
Cant wait for lead and steel pb-3
Did you pre-order? They just changed it
@@HawaiiFoodAndFun yee i did