How To Handle Bouncy Craps Tables
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- Bouncy Craps Tables can mess up any Dice Controller and make them look like a random shooter. Watch this video to see how I handle Bouncy Craps Tables in Las Vegas in this step by step Craps Tutorial.
You will also see my live practice session implementing these Crap bouncy table tips.
At the end of the video, I will share with you my secret tool to help with your Dice Grip to help you with your Dice Control.
I learn a lot from you videos. Thanks
Thank you Sir for watching.
Can you share you DICE spreadsheet that tracks your throws? Thanks
Go to Power Axis Craps website. It’s called Bone Tracker
Great recommendations on a bouncy table, will definitely try this in our local casino with a 12 foot really bouncy table. You mentioned on your video that you used a 3V dice setting. Is the 3V underneath?
Yes it’s hiding. Watch my video on dice setting
love ur team
Thanks
Sharing your tips is a good way to help the beginners 🤙
Thanks Mel. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your Ohana. Vegas in 3 days Baby!!
Good Luck get that $$$$
Another version of quarters we played is you flip a quarter and the next person flips a quarter if they land on same face as yours they keep both quarters if they don't then you keep both quarters.
yup
i love your honesty
myself and my rolling partners have been through the same situation
Thanks for watching Dice
Hey nice video, being a student of the game, you just never stop learning. I enjoyed your videos.
Thank you for watching Lester. There is no end when it comes to learning.
Great advice great video
Thank you Barn Casino for watching.
Thank you, great info
Thanks Eugene for watching. 👍
This is very good information, it took me years of shooting dice to figure out table dice bounce ,dice sets ,grip and toss.Your video is concise but shooter still has to practice their toss. Thanks
Thank you for watching. Aloha
Nice video and good information. Can you tell me what underlying material you have on your table? Thanks in advance
Vinyl and Flannel
Great video man. I enjoyed it.
Thank you Jackson
Very good advise, 30 degree angle and pushing out to 12" from wall, very good. I will use it this sat at Vegas. I know it will work.
May the dice be nice. Good luck.
Hey guys . . . Found your channel TODAY and I've already watched a half dozen of your videos. AND I wrote to you under my real name today so you've got my email, best way to communicate. Anyway I really appreciate the thoughtful (scientific) way you analyzed rolling dice on a bouncy table. The more I watch, the more I love you guys.
Hi Rick. Wow. Thank you for watching that many of my videos. I didn’t get your email. Can you resend. Thanks for watching.
Money shot I just wanted to thank you for your advice. A local casino has a super bouncy table and I could never win. After watching your video I went to the casino and had a monster roll using the 3V set, lighter toss and skipping the rocks. Thank you very much you guys rock
You’re welcome. Thank you for sharing your success
This is very informative, thank you
Thank you for watching and supporting my channel.
Tried the rubber band and doubled my SRR. Thanks for the info. 👍🏽
You're welcome
$Shot nailed it again with another great video. Practicing for different table surfaces is a must to maintain an edge.
Mahalo Kekoa. Happy Thanksgiving bro
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Happy Thanksgiving right back at you bro. I'm thankful for you taking the time to put out a channel with great content for all us dice enthusiast.
@@kekoa2571 anything to help the braddahs
great info Money Shot, Just had this happen to me this past week. Good luck in Vegas.
Thank you for watching and supporting my channel. Hoping the tables are kind to us this upcoming week. Aloha
Another good video Bryan. If you want to try another toss that works for any table condition is to toss the dice and have it hit just before the bottom rubber. Its not for everyone cause if its to strong and hit the bottom rubber dice will go wild. But for controlled shooters can be a great asset on any table.
Sounds interesting. Thanks. Sounds like you gotta be accurate. I’m not that accurate. Lol
Money shot had that problem on my practice rig could ot figure it out went to watch some of your older videos and forgot about this going try as soon as get my lazy butt out of bed🤙🤙🤙
Keep practicing Paulie
Yes I agree,,
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Thank you sensei for sharing your tips. Just found your channel and a new sub. I’m a supah newbie and still don’t understand the payout. I’m sure will learn it when I watch all your videos .
Welcome Rolo to the Craps world.
Muscle memory is important👍
Yes it is. Especially with plenty of distractions
Great info on controlling the dice on a bouncy table. Suggestion, if you lower your chest to table. that should help.
Great suggestion Eric. I wish I was taller though to do that. Lol
Love the rubber band trick great ideal money
Did you get to try it out? LOL
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Happy Thanksgiving, I enjoyed the content.
Thank you Albert for watching and Happy Thanksgiving.
Thats exactly how I try to toss on a Bouncy table, I lower my toss. great work very good video
Thanks Joe. Did you get my chip in the mail?
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Not as of yet, when did you send it out?
@@jbcraps Monday
Awesome Money! Happy Thanksgiving and keep learning that table's, you will figure it out. The strip has Very Bouncy tables and the dice tend to sticks a lot. But that's why to me it's the Worlds greatest game, the severity of difficulty. It will challenge you mentally and physically.
Yes. If it wasn’t challenging then nobody would be playing the game of craps. That’s why I have a passion for the game. Happy Thanksgiving Technician!
great advice money shot. the table and the cal has always been a pain in the ass..lol i definitely had to slow down and use that super soft touch
Yup. The Cal table still kicks my ass some time but I stubborn and still like to challenge it. After all that’s where the Golden Arm tournament is going to be.
Howzit KB808, yep I have to agree but I find it a little more manageable than the tables at Main Street.
@@kekoa2571 Mainstreet pit bosses label me a professional and I get harassed the most their.
I have yet to win at the cal rolling the dice myself. I have profited of other people’s roll, but just like you guys the Cal always gives me trouble. Now Mainstreet I had the biggest cash out so far in my craps career, 10k. I love it there. Many many good sessions there.
@@drewmon2515 Too bad they closed Mainstreet during this Pandemic.
Get this man to 1000 subs!
Thank you for supporting my channel.
Another Great Video Money Shot, I like you don't go back on my swing there's no reason for it like you described it, That rubber band trick is Great 👍
Happy Thanksgiving 🦃🍗
Thanks Mario. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.
It would be cool to be able to add trajectory lines in your video , landing area , slow mo dice movement in the air. Stats on each die number showing up , which angle they land. Left , right center. Etc…. Your awesome keep it up my friend
Wish I knew how to do that. Thanks for Watching.
The only game of quarters I played when I was younger involved beer or alcohol. Lol
Lol
Thank you thank you for the sound advice! Love your easy-to-understand common sense approach. What are your thoughts on what the underlayment should be to get the super bouncy effect? I practice on a 2x2 practice rig. Thank you for all you do and hope our paths cross some time in Vegas.
I suggest not to practice on a bouncy surface till you have a consistent toss.
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Ok thanks for that too. The surface I am practicing on now is vinyl on hardwood under felt.
It is very similar to the tables at Fremont
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@@rognkidder7413 That's good. I just have vinyl, my old felt and then my new felt on top.
Great advice! Thank you! I think I will eliminate the backswing. I am always feel uncomfortable wondering do I do a true pendulum or do I bend my elbow on the back swing. This way, that problem is eliminated. I like the advice on angle and speed. Now to find the set to use. Hardway? 3V? 2V? Today I did well with the 21/23 set. 8 SRR; 10.6 SOR. I smashed 12 hard ways in 74 rolls, only 9 7s (2 on the Come Out).
Nice. Eliminating the back swing helped me a lot. Less to think about. Keep me updated on how it goes. Watch my dice setting video if you haven’t yet. Maybe that will help you decide on your dice set. Happy Thanksgiving
I may try this and the hard-way 4 top nect time i go to Southland in West Memphis. I usually toss a 2/6 3\6 and end up with a lot of horns. Just trying to get my toss adjusted and the perfect dice set
Keep Practicing Burgess and you'll get there.
When you see a bouncy table with random rollers just try betting on the Don't side. It comes up 52% of the time. ( or more) Try the 5-count Don't system that will help. Good luck at the tables.
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@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Yes B, I do not know why more players do not take advantage of the Don't side. The house is on the Don't side 99% of the time and they do pretty well. You also get the best odds when shooting from the D.S.
Makes total sense to me. Keep the release low and slow. You should have your table 1/2 bouncy and dead. Your table sounds hard. Not sure if you are following Vegas but casino's can only have 25% capacity and ALLl restaurants you need a reservation now.
Yes. The Side you see me throwing on is the bouncy side. I’m aware of the 25% occupancy. Thanks though for letting me know. Appreciate it
Great video. Where do I get the software?
Go to Heavy Holtem’s craps site to download for free
Great video, what dice were you using?
I was using the hardways
Great job. You do one thing that I do, I tried to change but I've stopped trying. We both use our pointing and ring fingers to pinch the dice together after we grab the dice with our middle finger and thumb. I thought I was the only person doing that. I tried to change and pick up the dice with all four digits like I've seen others do online but I don't like the instability of the dice in my fingers, so I continue to pinch the dice together. If it works, keep doing it. I also avoid the pendulum backswing. I completely agree, the more movement, the greater the chance of an error. Throw the dice with as little unnecessary movement as possible.
In search of a hard table, I've heard that the Fremont was the firmest downtown. How about the strip? Or do you just concede and play on the bouncy tables. I'm going in March and want to limit my play mostly to firm tables. Haven't been to Vegas in over two years now, I'm looking for an update on the tables. Thanks, great videos!!
Yes Fremont is a hard table. I don’t play much on the strip but I know Belagio is a good hard table too.
I heard Belagio had nice tables. But $25 and $50 tables are too rich for me. That's why I'm looking for more options off-strip. Hopefully the strip casinos stop being so greedy and stop raising minimum bets. Record profits yet table minimums detere me from playing there. Definitely be at Fremont in March.
@@kv1913 good luck.
So I have a very similar problem to when you got your 6/1 x7. Whenever the dice shoot out to the left, I almost always end up with a 6/1 x7 shooting with the 3v. What am I doing with my toss to get the dice to shoot out to the left like that?
When your dice kicks out to the left that could mean that your dice is not landing level. Try squaring up and practice landing the dice evenly on the table
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Thanks brota!
@@rezidentbivrip You’re welcome. Stay safe.
New to the channel. Great vid s and content thank you. Where is your release at for the lower angle shot vs the regular shot. Ken G
Welcome to the channel Kenneth. My release is around the rail height or lower.
I'm so old we used pennies instead quarters. 😆
We called it pitching pennies.
Lol
what is the soft ware you is is it availbe for iphone?
It’s called Bone Tracker and you can go to Heavy Axis Holdem’s website to download. Don’t think it can go on an Iphone
Hey I’m a pretty good shooter and I want to know how can I join ur class to make me better
Hi sorry but I don’t have any classes.
Mr money shot!!! Your missing a freemont jacket on your empty wall there lol .. see you tomorrow
I going out up a Poke Stop Jacket till I get one. Lol
How much was it for table? Table, shipping, and installation.
It was around $3k
Very informative and helpful, you are a good instructor, thank you. What underlayment do you have to make your table bouncey?
Neoprene
Color coordinate your rolls , better visual. You can about predict your rolls when they land w/o looking at the numbers
Great suggestion
Where did you find your software?
Just Google online “Bone Tracker”
I know you're going to Vegas soon but when are you going again after this time?
Right now it would be in April for the Golden Arm Tournament at the Cal
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Howzit $Shot, just saw a walk through vlog of the Cal posted a week ago. They moved and decreased the amount of tables. They are now only two craps tables on the main floor with the rest of the table games. They are located at the end of the row facing their old location towards the Holo Holo Bar.
@@kekoa2571 Yes. We just finished film our live roll there a few minutes ago
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Cool, Have fun and Good Luck to you and the Crew.
What program are you using to record your game I could use something like that.
Rn
Bone Tracker
Are you holding between thumb and middle finger and would it help to just hold the other fingers up?
Yes, I try to use less factors that can interfere with my toss.
Where did you get your table from?
Www.best poker site.com
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters
How much does a table cost?
@@darrininmesa9750 Go to my website at www.HCSstore.com
Hi, how much is the bone System that you use and how much is it and can I get that thank you very much for all you doing?
The Bone Tracker system is free. Just go to Heavy Axiom's website.
I hope you can adjust to plexiglass on each side of your body. It totally messed up my back swing because my elbow would hit the edge of plexiglass on each throw. Good luck and go fo broke!
Thanks for the the heads up rough trim. What hotel was this at?
Freemont, Sunset, and Linq. Good luck!
@@roughtrim Thank you Roughtrim
Hows it going so far? Able to find tables without plexiglass? I will now have to consider practicing with it as it seems to be the new norm. Aloha🤙🏼
@@roughtrim My advice is to avoid them as much as you can. It's easier to just walk over to another casino with no plexiglass then it is to try and figuring it out.
Basically all random throws on bouncey table, and fight the 7 dragon 🐉 by telling dealers to bring down bets, after 3 throws in each round.
Good strat
IMO you should use two different color dice with BT so you can tell which die is landing left and right and always set the same. But it is great to see somebody using what has to be one of the great tools of our obsession.
Thank you Nick. Yes I have used two different color dice. I don’t use them no more because most times I can see which dice are what when I throw.
How can I get that excel sheet? I made one very similar, but your excel skills are better than mine! Would you email it?
I’ve been practicing dice control for just a couple months on my own. I’d say I picked it up really easy. I practiced 1-2 hours per day for 2 months before bringing this new skill to casinos. I had a couple really good days at my local casino and took those profits to Vegas. During that 4 day trip to Vegas I won around $12,000. Came back super hyped, then started hitting up my local casino and had 12 to 15 sessions of just winning thousands each time. Within 7 weeks I’m up $8000 just at my local casino. I used those profits to buy my own table to practice even more which is way better than my cardboard box rig. All leading up to what I thought was an epic day… I get there around 10:00 and that’s when they open the craps table, by 11:00 I have $4,000 in the rack. Took an hour break and came back to unleash a monster, full of confidence I threw over 40 and won another $9,000. $13,000 up for the day. That was 1 month ago… up over $20,000 at this casino. This is where the tables turn… I haven’t had 1 winning session since then and I’m back to only up $3,000. I just don’t get it, my throws are the same every time! I’m wondering if I raised a red flag with the casino and they changed the surface, because it’s bouncy as hell now. I’m so defeated currently, but I think I’ll practice the 30 degree angle with less force like you’re saying here. Sorry for the long message, I’m just so down on myself because of this, I just was building such high expectations for myself. Man I would love to have that excel sheet, and would love to get in on a session with a group of people that understand dice control.
You can email me at hawaiicrapsshooters@gmail.com
Wow
I emailed you, thank you for replying!
I would also advise to keep your feet planted and your non throwing hand planted on the rail
Reason if you move an inch either direction when throwing you are changing the whole toss as result . Try having a partner get you the dice back so you can focus more and not move your body thank you
Thanks for the suggestion Ben. Unfortunately when I film I am a one man crew and gotta do my best with what resources I have.
Just got back from Mohegan Sun i go once or twice a week, yesterday they changed out all the craps tables and they were so bouncy nearly every other toss was flying out of the tub,, lots of points established followed by 7 out 7 out 7out one guy was playing the dont pass with come bets his rack was full of green and black ,,,lots of complaints.....ughhhhhh
Wow, that's a crazy bounce.
Hi use a skipping stone UH toss.On a bouncy table my angle is about 15 degrees.Usually my LZ is 22".Had to move it a foot further back.
Still I donot like to play on one!
Nice Dave. I too prefer not playing on a bouncy table but sometimes that’s your only choice. lol.
My generation it is called pitching nickels
Lol
We were pitching pennies. 😆
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Mahalo
I have to be honest I don't think your controlling anything here. You can roll the dice any way on that table and you will have some rolls go 14 times with no 7. You will have rolls go 2 times and a 7 hits. It's going to hit once on average every 7 rolls. To prove a point roll your way and do 100 rolls and do the same thing just throwing the dice anyway to the wall. Do the figures and I bet that it will be almost the same. I do think if it's a hard table you can practice and perhaps a bouncy table you can practice to control it by maybe a 1 or 2 percent difference.
Dice control in my opinion is avoiding the 7. A controlled shooter will have more consistent results in longer rolls
3 rivers casino in florence oregon has one table and its a damn trampoline. dont play there peeps
Thanks for the heads up
Still waiting for someone to make a machine that can toss the dice w/consistancy to prove that dice setting is actually real ;-)
The way I look at it is try to compare it to a golf swing. You can get a machine to hit the ball consistency but there will always be factors like the course that will change some of the outcome but would you tell people to stop going to the golf range? 😀
What is REAL??? IF someone does it once twice three times 1000 times. I have a Question for you, if something is very difficult to do consistently what average would you consider it consistent? Example IF a Baseball player hits the ball 3.5 times for ever 10 at bats is that good or bad consistent or inconsistent? Did he strike out 6 times or did he hit the ball and got out? Do you see the variables in a REAL world scenario? A machine might give us a AVERAGE at best but you can do it on your own if you just count your attempts and divide by the rolls above the average by the ones below the average. Keep track of rolls in the teens, 20, 30 and up. If anyone can throws 30, 40 and 50 rolls every trip to Las Vegas then that is all you need to know about dice control. IT'S as REAL as you and me. He would be consider a .400 average hitter with Home Run Power!
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Howzit $shot, check out the channel Live Casino Comparer the Evolution Live Craps Review the get one machine throwing the dice.
Danny M, check out the youtube channel Live Casino Comparer the Evolution Live Craps Review for a dice throwing machine.
@@kekoa2571 thanks. I’ll check it out.
are you on 14 or 16 ft. tables?
14
Good video, just to long at 45 mins
Sorry about that
your information and videos are very good but please eliminate all the background noise. it is very distracting
Thank you. If you have any tips on noise cancelling out these Hawaii Chickens let me know. I want to shoot them if I could. Lol
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Hey $Shot, all that noise from the chickens might be part of training for distracting noises in the casino. Lol
@@kekoa2571 Yup. Part of my training. They represent the yapping drunks at the table. Lol