My Best Craps Strategy for Random Rollers: The HCS Hybrid
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2021
- After my last trip to Las Vegas and encountering the busy craps tables that were full of random rollers, I adjusted my strategies which evolved to this "Go To" strategy that helped me survive the random rollers until I got back the dice.
This strategy is not a beginner strategy because of all it's moving parts which includes 3 strategies in one, a come out roll strategy, a short game strategy, and the long game strategy.
It helped me survive in Vegas and hope this strategy can help you as well.
"May the Dice be Nice".....HCS
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Wow! I examined this in depth and found this is beautiful! Great imagination and strategy. I’m trying this.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video and strategy Money Shot! Thanks for the breakdown and through explaining!
Thank you Mar
Love this lesson! You teach it so clearly. Thank you!❤
You're welcome.
Cool video Bryan, solid advice.
Thank you David
Mahalo for the strategy $shot I'll try that tomorrow at south point with your first HCS private table
Sounds good. Hope the Dice is Nice.
Thanks for the good strategies.
You’re welcome Dr Mac
Got introduced to your channel through Color Up. Enjoying all this content, been practicing this strategy online, seems solid for longer time at tables. May the dice be nice! Mahalo!
Mahalo Jeff. Thank you for supporting our channel as well. Jeremy from Color up iis a great guy.
Same here love it
Great stuff!
Thank you.
Awesome $trategy...Aloha always!
Mahalo Roughtrim
Great strategy Mr. Moneyshot! For morning and daytime play... lol
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You explain this perfectly👍🎲🎲. I feel safer with a low limit table. Weekends are soo high with shooters drinking 🙉. Thank you for posting.🌺🌺
Thanks Kat. I try my best. Lol
Love this strategy! I’ve modified it a bit by bumping the lay bet up to $150 and the hard way 4/10 to a quarter. That way if that hard way hits it pays a quarter with the hard 4/10 paying $175.
Thanks David
Thanks Bryan.
You’re welcome Victor
I'll watch this a few more times to remember these
Practice makes perfect.
Very good Explanation 🤔
Thank you.
Great explanation of the strategy….for sure no drinking while playing. 🎲👍
Bloody Mary ok in the morning. Lol
I no someone who has that in place of coffee & that get plenty hats. Lol jk
@@CrapsHawaii 😂
Uncle Mel if I catch you in Vegas drinks are on me!
Howzit Juan
I’ll take you up on that offer. 🎲👍
Very good information, thanks. Would you consider a don’t bet also?
I’m open to all suggestions. 👍
Mahalo for the that good strategy
Thanks Waipahu King
Yes, Quarter Pounder for the Win! I use it often. Thank you for a great video.
Just left Vegas, everything on the strip is min $25 except a small window early in the day. I need to adapt this for $25 tables.
Thanks for watching
Hey $$$Shot! Lost too much money on randoms, now only bet 1 or 2 on a full table $12 on 6&8.I rather bet it on myself or someone like your crew, where I can accept my loss. You must always remind yourself why do I practice so much if I'm going to bet it on the chicken feeders. Good Luck!
I’m learning how to have the patience like you. Sometimes no bet is the best bet on randoms.
I have a question please
Would this work for somebody who is scared to lay the 4
Go $25 on the dont pass and $5 or $6 on any 7 for the come out.
The $10 on the 4 & 10 when on a point.
It's just to try avoid that come out roll sniper
The any 7 will bleed you slowly
Hey just subscribed and I like your style of teaching and explaining very awesome! Would this be a good strategy on a bubble and I’m fairly new to craps still, what is a 2 shaker baker? Lmao
Yes, definitely. 2 Shaker Baker is a roller who gets a point, rolls one more, then sevens out.
I'm wondering tinkering and thinking about a lower stake out for the quarter pound pay out ,you could go ,25 on field so that wins 25 ,then 48 on 6 and 8 that wins 56 minus the 25 from field that leaves 31 profit,but now actually leave the 5 blank..so thats lay out of 121
You could that just use a set that avoids the 5.
Love it! Can do you a quick video for a $15 and maybe $25 table?
I’ll be doing a $15 table video soon.
Great vid, HCS! Question: what do you do when shooter opens with an easy 4? Do you continue with the Qtr Lb w/ EZ and put more $$ at risk?
It’s up to you and your bankroll
good strategy money shot
Thank you Roy
just a question... what if they do not have Hop bets ? like cruise ship I sail on do not have Hops so what the adjustments?
Thanks
This strategy won’t work
Great video...! When are we going to see the quadruple lux strategy?
Thanks Johnny. LOL Quardruple Lux.
love your vids money shot! a little unrelated - how many chips can fit in one players chip rack
Thank you. I didn’t ever tried counting. Lol
How u compare the quarter pounder vs all across with horn? They are both the same, but the horn bet has a better “cheese”
Horn has better Cheese but across cost more in regards to initial investment.
Have you done a live roll video of these using all 3 systems that would be good to see
No I haven't yet.
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters I found a video on mrs hcs doing the system id like to see you doing it
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Question: After each point is hit and the puck goes off, could we also then use the same come out strategy of laying the 4 or 10 with the Hardway hedge again?? Try to roll that 7 again when the bets are off and just try to pick up some extra change here & there? Then immediately remove the lay and Hardway hedge after each new point is marked on the same shooter? This way we’re still active on every possible roll and pad the profits. Yeah?
(I didn’t hear anything of the sort mentioned in the video)
Sure you can
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters
So then another question about the Quarter Pounder w/EZ: Let’s say we start our session, lay out our $ requirement for QP’er, get to Foundation, and find ourselves with, let’s say $50-$100 of profit on that shooter after the completion of their roll. Now, new shooter comes out and establishes the point.
Here’s my primary question: Do we then need to come out with a *NEW* QP’er or can we just immediately set Foundation with our profits from the previous shooter?
I’ve been playing with a new QP’er on each new shooter to then establish my Foundation and go from there, but I’m wondering if it’s optimal 🤔. I mean, I already have profits that I can immediately lay Foundation with and for each new shooter I’m putting out extra risk, all for the purpose of “getting to Foundation” when I already have the funds for Foundation. Does this make sense?
Could you please shed some light on this? New QP’er for each new shooter or just immediately lay Foundation with profits?
what kind of vig will you have to pay on the lay the 4 for 140 dollars, and what is PSO?
You pay the vig on your win which would be $70 so they will charge you $1 for every Quarter so $3 vig. PSO stands for Point Seven Out.
Very clean and clear explanation ,,,,, you only do this with other shooting what about when you shooting?
I’ll be sharing the strategy I use on myself in a future video.
@HawaiiCrapsShooters can I get the link to the strategy you use on yourself or at least the title to search up? Let me know, thank you!
Nice strategy.....so basically you shift you risk to an easy 4 for 3 rolls and limit your losses on a PSO or 2 shaker baker.
Yes. Thanks GMoney
OK, could not resist my experience with this when I stopped in at the casino for a quick session on my way home from the mountains here in CO. I have been rolling this strategy on my practice table/rig with pretty good success. Though at times I think when you get the two hits on the quarter pounder with ease it might be better to rack the $50 and let the shooter roll out. I found that I lost most of the $50 once set up on the 44 inside.
Last night I stopped in, put up the $140 on the 10 and $20 on the hard ten. Random rolled a 7 for a $47 winner. I was going to go into the 66 inside but said what the heck and put it back up. Random rolled a 7 again for a $47 winner. Being dumb, I went back up and lo and behold he rolls another 7. Now up $141 on the first three rolls. I don't go up again on the come out and he sets a point of 8. I know I should go straight to 66 inside, (all tables in CO are at least $15 minimum) but I want to play with the strategy and go to $165 quarter pounder with ease. Random rolls a 5, $40 winner. Random rolls a 5 again, $40 winner. I go to 66 inside and and he hits 4 point numbers which I collected $21 each on and did not press as I felt I had been really lucky and the 7 was coming. He rolled a couple of craps numbers and a soft 4 in between. Anyway, I was up just over $300 in 15 minutes, left a $25 tip for the crew and left. I'm sure it's going to work this way every time.
Awesome MC. Thanks for sharing. Great win and in 15 min? Awesome!
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters yeah, it was right around dinner time and only 2 other players at the table. One guy was only playing the PL so the dice were moving.
Good strategy,,,
Thank you.
i actually think this is a great strategy also for when it's your own throw, two hits should be easy for most non random rollers.
Yes, you could use it on yourself as well. Let me know how it goes.
What would be the betting ratio for the quarter pounder strategy if you're at a 15 dollar table?
The same.
Wow Brian, I wish I found this two years ago. This is really a bit of genius as David (from CQ) would say. I really agree with the logic in all phases. Limiting the exposure and loss of bankroll. The random rollers can really crush you fast. Even my own rolls when I’m on tilt lol. It requires a bit bigger bank roll but I think with about a $1,000 on a $10 game you should be pretty safe to play for a while. I tend to do a $500 bankroll when playing craps because I am pretty broke dick (as Alex from CQ is fond of saying) so I play a modified iron cross most times. It’s a 3 unit 5,6&8 or $15 & $18 set up and $15 field. Try to catch that early field roll and use that money to cover the 4,9&10 at $10 each and reduce my 5,6,8 back down to 2 units or $10 & $12. The next goal is to use any outside hits like 4,5,9&10 to press up 6&8 and try and catch a 6 or 8 at about $30, collect that which is $35 to my rack and now be out of the hand. It’s $66 if I’m not mistaken maximum exposure. Like I said, a broke dick strategy but I like it for the $500 bank roll on a $10 table. I love your entire hybrid strat with a $1,000 bankroll and I love how it is constant action every roll of the dice. You are awesome my friend! Mahalo 😃
Watch more of the videos
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Hi Brian, thank you for taking the time to reply. You have so many great videos with well thought out strategies. Just in case I missed you saying in a recent video, can I ask you your favorite light side and dark side strategies at the moment and / or hybrid strategies. Probably difficult to say because it depends on the shooter… Let me rephrase, what is currently your favorite random shooter system if you were in Vegas today and what is your favorite “with the shooter” or betting on yourself strategy as of today? That way I can see which strategies are currently your favorite and ponder them also. Thanks so much!! Mahalo 🤘
@@davetesta2797 I use the HPower Light switch now on randoms and I use the Split the Sisters on my own roll and controlled shooters
So we actually have some $5 tables here in AZ. I really like this strategy and I still think I would prefer to just play it at $10 for the easy math of it even if it is a $5 min. But was wondering how the math would work out for a $5 denom betting?
- Come out, $10 H4, and is it $70 Lay 4?
- Qtr Pounder, $30 on the 6/8, $17 on the field and $5 hopping the 5's?
- Foundation, $22 inside and $1 each hard 4/10?
Hope not to many questions. Still a newbie and just want to practice with the right numbers at home. I really like the strategies you have out and (minus the bankroll) think you and I would probably play alike.
Sounds good
I love this strategy! What is your method of determining whether or not to play this on a random roller. How do qualify them? Thanks!
Hi Jhonny. Many ways to qualify a shooter but a simple one I use is on the come out roll you watch and observe if that shooter is a controlled shooter or a random. How they throw the dice will give you that info. If it’s a true random then I’ll wait to bet with a 3-5 count then start the strategy. I’ll have just the Lay 4 and the hard 4 set on the come out and during the qualifying period because the 7 is strong at all times. If I see it’s a controlled shooter then I’ll move to the quarter pounder. And then to my foundation. Hope this helps.
You guys going Vegas in October? I was hoping to throw with the HCS crew and make some cheddar cheese!
No but we will be there in September
Get em
Thanks George.
What do you do if the table doesn't have hop bets?
Change strategy
thats a big lay out on iron cross vs random rollers
Yes it is. Gotta have the bankroll
Very good. I’d like to see this for a $15 table.
Thank you Dale
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters I think I would just play it the same way and add $16 dollars from my rack to the $50 win to get to $66 across. Increasing the bets for the quarter pounder with ease would add more risk in my mind than ponying up the extra $16 to get to $66 across.
@@mcchacho1 That’s smart too. I thought the same. Less risk and one more hit.
I like this strategy, but when playing it out on my practice rig, I did manage to throw a soft 4 on the come out a couple of times. That will knock a hole in your session bankroll.
Yes, you could try the 10 if that helps. Great thing is that you have the option.
Like your strategies but one pso or easy 4 and my bankroll is shot
Any light side strategy will get killed by a PSO. LOL
thats the iron cross minus i sent in to let it roll..you made a couple modifications like hopping 5 which you dont need
I filmed this before Rick released his video. I agree it does have it similarities
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters oh wow..you are far behind..Rick showed it 3 months ago
Placing the 4 Inside #’s require THREE hits to almost recoup your bets(just $2 short of your $44)
Placing the 6 numbers requires 4 or 5 hits to recover your $64 depending on how many 4/10 hits you get.
That’s true
Watching you from the Philippines. Your videos helped me alot. Won about 40k on dice setting betting strategies.
Wow. That’s crazy. Nice win
Here are some of my thoughts: It's great that you are using lay bets for hedging your bets. However, I would like to suggest a different starting approach w/ the same basic result. Using the 6&8 place bets and a line bet with odds for hedging. I've noted an aversion to using line bets on your part even though they have phases (either the comeout or point cycle rolls) where they have an edge over the casino. So, instead of laying the 4 as a hedge, I would use don't line bets+ odds for the hedge. At a 10x free odds table, it keeps the HA down.
Great ideas Victor. I’ll look into it.
What does it mean to qualify the shooter?
Watch my video The Qualifier
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters thank you
@@AmericaTown You’re welcome
Couldn’t you hop the 4s on the come out for 15 and that wins you 150 if the 4 is hit?
It will cost you more in the long run
You can also play the one hit iron cross by hopping the 5 for $7
You are right
I try to have the table to myself or with other skilled shooters. At $10 table , If randoms shoot, then after the comeout , put a $10 dc and a buck on yo. If 7 ouch then thats most I can loose and to the next shooter. If it hits point and travels then I place same number as a hedge. if number hits, then I collect and put back 10 on dc. if 7 ouch, then I break even. Of course you have to remind dealers that bets always working. Its a minimal loss to break even while waiting till its your turn. Randoms will burn up your bankroll really fast if you play often, and you just have to suck it up on the occasion one gets on a long roll and you are missing out. Now if you play once in a while, have fun and bet whatever you like on any player. But if you are playing very frequently as a controlled shooter hoping to make money, then this is how I advise to play when you have forced action on a random roller.
Great way to grind it out but you might as well do a no bet if the casino lets you. I’ll be sharing another strategy that you may like better. Stay tuned.
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Awesome, looking forward too it.
Yes sir, let me have some Extra Cheese with that buddy....lol
Extra Cheeze! Yessir! Your chip is on the way
Recoup.
Yes
Neva use this, used the Q-pounder (modified) with a lay 4 or 10 for $100 on random shooter first roll.
Good adjustment.
Ok love the strategy but am I missing something but call me crazy you can literally go $25 greens on each number and be cheaper than the quarter pounder with ease no need to hop anything, hell 6 and 8 can be $30 ea and it's still cheaper I'm lost ???
You can get out of the hand at the beginning.
Love this ... I especially like how you moved away from the $305 for one hit down to $165 for two hits. That's really thinking deeply about your exposure. I am torn on trusting 2 hits vs 1 hit for the random roller, but you're right about having that amount of money at risk, even if it's just one roll.
Very much enjoy the super aggressive play on the come out, looking for that 7. That's wickedly creative.
This one is going to be fun to roll out. I'd still go pineapple press on your across bet on a random shooter, though. The half press on your rolls, yep ... but I think a random roller needs your money back in the rack.
I'm really feeling the backwards nature of your approach. I begin building every one of my "right side" strategy builds the same way.
I start with deciding "what do I actually want to play" (like your $44 inside with aggressive pressing) and then I figure out what I need to do to earn that amount of money in 1 shot.
I call it the "So That" method ...
Do this bigger and riskier thing for one roll (or two) "so that" I can do what I really want to do, free of risk.
Thanks for the Feedback John. The good thing is this strategy can be easily tweaked to your suggestions.
Good video Brian, I really like the quarter pounder with ease. I'm always afraid of that PSO. 😕 what do you think about $310 no4 for protection 🤔 or that defeats the purpose?
With higher table minimums in vegas now I hear,you may need more than 44 across maybe need triple quater pounder 3 wins then take that 75 for 15 on 5&9 18 on 6&8 so 66 across profit $9
Or if you hit a come out 7 for $47 profit then you just need 1 quarter pound hit to start the $66 across.
$66 across wins pay $21 :)
Then options maybe if hit a 5 or 10 press up $5 on each keep $11 or even any win of $21 add a dollar and press all by 1 unit 🤔
So all wins pay $28 then go from there :) 😃 obviously good luck will be needed
That’s a great strategy too. I’ll try it out. Thanks Scott.
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters cool :) be good see a video on that
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters great videos by the way im new and enjoying going through them.
So it would be
Stage 1 ..lay the 4 for $140 and $20 on hard 4 as your hybrid states.
Every 7 wins $67 after the vig
Keeping on that until you make a point hopefully a few sevens rolled ( set those dice for controlled more chance of a 7 ;)
Stage 2..if you won $67 from a seven in the come out roll go
$15 on 5&8 $18 on 6&8
Save the $1 ready
When you get 1 hit winning $21 press them all up 1 unit so total of $22.
Then away we go all this is house money now hoping to build some money :)
Ermm if not hit a 7 in come out then it needs to be your quarter pounder with cheese 🧀
$60 on 6&8
$35 field
Then hop that 5 for $10 or do you risk leaving 5 blank ?
5 rolls you lose $35
7 rolls you lose it all.
If you don't cover the 5 you need 2 hits field or 6&8 pays $35 x 2 = $70 that covers that $66 across.
And you can even go then $2 on hard 4 & hard 10.
Best bet is to buy the 4 and 10 and go against the 7 . 6 combinations against 6 combinations .
Hard to go against the 7 when it's a cold table.
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters no such thing as a cold table . No such thing as controlling the dice neither . It's all luck .
@@JT-uf3pr Gotcha
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters you can set the dice , drop them 2 inches and the outcome will be random. Setting the dice and throwing them 4+ feet will be random. Cold and hot tables are just the luck . Going against the 7 on a cold table buying the 4 and 10 is basically like flipping a coin. I've had great success setting the dice with a 4/10 set with a backspin . Lucky I guess 🤣.
@@JT-uf3pr luck is a factor in anything. I’d rather be lucky. Lol
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what casinos have $10 minimums nowadays?
I know Ellis Island and the Grand in downtown has $5 tables
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Thanks bro! i am so limited in the casinos i've played. i went to GVR after watching your vids. i've been there a total of 3 times and won all 3 times! thanks for the entertainment and hopefully one day i can crash your table... lol. probably the closest i got was running into kerrie at bally's (horseshoe now) after her and the ladies finished their rolls.
@@stevee5080 Nice wins. Keep it up.
Hedging your $140 Lay bet on the 4 with a $20 Hard 4 bet will cost you money in the long run.
It would make more sense to make a $100 Lay bet on the 4 without a hedge.
The hard 4 doesn’t go down unless the easy 4 comes which is 5%.
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters The house edge on a Lay bet on the 4 is 2.44%.
The house edge on a Hard 4 is 11.11%.
@@jimklemens5018 I’m talking about dice probability not house edge.
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters Dice probability says that you will lose more money when you make a Lay bet on the 4 and make a Hard 4 bet at the same time.
@@jimklemens5018 Jim. It’s a temporary protection. It’s not up there the entire time
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Proved last night $44 inside is losing lol looking for something better as a new player
Lot's of strats to choose from on this channel
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters love your channel with the game play in the casinos, got me interested in playing, and setting. Unfortunately Wendover NV where we play does not allow setting ☹️
Ah maybe when you go to Vegas. Thanks for watching@@rbjackpotslots4842
Only problem I see is that the strategy assumes the "best case" scenario of the random shooters...
Even controlled shooter throw a point and 7 but, with less chance of doing so...still, it happens.
I have seen many random Shooters in Vegas that made a fire bet! ALL 6 points!
Rare but, it did happen. I bet minimal amount, after "studying" the table and Shooters, to determine what numbers are coming out more with some consistency before any of my money get on the table.
Believe me, blah, I tried almost all of these strategies and found NONE that actually worked well enough to be tried again.
My best strategy is observation, assessment and gut feelings based on what I see happening on the table.
You can have a master degree on mathematics and still loose your butt on crap table😁
Good insight though.
You’re absolutely right Kodiak but that is just what makes Craps fun and Challenging. If there was no chance to lose then then no craps tables would be in the casinos. The love of the challenge is what keeps me going but I agree with you, observation, timing and using the right strategy at the right time is key. Thanks for your comment
Don't 🥃 🍻 and 🎲🎲 on this strategy.
Lol. Some strategies it would be ok to get drunk on but this is not one fo them.
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters I actually have a few "out to party with my friends" strategies that I have in my toolbox, solely so I can go out and not have to pay attention sometimes.
Iron cross with a dark 5 ..
my felt doesn't have the hop bets yet.. I just bought the iron on...
Nice
Redo with 15 dollars for us who struggle with math please
Looks like I’ll have to with all these requests. Will do.
@@HawaiiCrapsShooters thank you. Blame it on vegas and people playing these ridiculous minimums haha
@@marcain123 I know right.
Instead of this bet, why not simply bet a $12 three way 7? You'll win $52 and accomplish your $50 goal with a whole lot less dough.
Yes but if you don’t hit your out $12