This video now has the highest dislike to like ratio of anything I've ever made on my channel. That's how I know I've got some spicy takes hahaha No but for real I love the discussions coming off of this video. Everyone is gonna have different opinions on Pokemon games and it's a fun talking point. So thanks to everyone who's sharing their different takes on this video
Honestly, you hurt me with Sun and Moon at first, but I get your points. It was very badly paced and you could only explore after completing an island without being stopped a ton
I'm fine with everything in the video other than my boi Totodile getting absolutely shit on, shit was actual roadside murder on Liveleak. Didn't deserve it.
The main thing with his list is that with every statement he makes you can be sure that someone, somewhere is going to throw a fit and start a hate campaign, no matter if the statement was positive or negative
@@RTGame Nice thing is that you can take any of the games and do one. You can choose gen1 with a very short playtime, or something like black and white where there is still so much content outside of battling, that takes more than 10 hours to finish.
I really want to play it and actually beat it, but 10 years ago I played it with a corrupted memory card. Game reset, I went through a good chunk of the beginning so many times that even now I still remember how the intro goes. And the beginning is just so slow when you have done it 10 times already. Its an odd situation where I have burned out on a game but still want to play it
Table of contents: 0:00 *Game tier list* 0:00 Red, Blue, Yellow 0:43 Ruby and Sapphire 1:43 Emerald 2:25 Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire 3:44 HeartGold and SoulSilver 5:09 Black2 and White2 7:39 Black and White 9:51 UltraSun, UltraMoon, and XD 10:21 Sun and Moon 11:46 X and Y 12:42 Gold, Silver, and Crystal 13:13 FireRed and LeafGreen 14:18 Legends: Arceus 15:50 Sword and Shield 18:10 Colosseum 19:04 Let's Go 19:34 Platinum 21:59 Diamond and Pearl 22:12 Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl 23:06 *Starters* 23:08 Most Fire types 26:52 Most Water and Grass types 32:26 *oh no* 32:34 oh _no_
Me and my wife first thought it's gonna be a meme-video where RT goes on purpose for all the controversial opinions for the laughs and chat reactions. But it turned out to be a FULL-QUALITY analysis video, especially during the games section. Also, RT, we're watching you since the old days when you were shy of yourself - and we're so happy for you to grow strong in self esteem and became not just an entertainer for us but a great strong pillar of a person for yourself
@@Azulean gave birth during a stream and not had fun in the bedroom iykwim. I felt like I had to clarify. Another couple got married during a minecraft stream and the person who sent the donos was almost late walking down the aisle
@@marfy0915 Slowpoke isn't overshadowing over 900 other Pokemon. Charizard is. Hell, Charizard gets more love from Gamefreak than the other Kanto starters!
i 100% disagree with about half of your opinions however 1000% love and respect you for the decision making behind it all. the great thing about pokemon is that there’s something for everyone, i take ages to complete a game so the main play aspect is important to me, i never get to the postgame properly, visuals are important to me so early gens are not great to play in my opinion. another banger of a video.
I can get a solid 60-80 hour on the main game, so I agree with you that the story often creates my opinion over a game. As a steamer who puts tons of hours into the postgame content, I see why RT values that more.
I'll be honest, I respect and agree with so many of your rankings in these lists, RT. Which is why your placement of Bulbasaur so low causes me pain. I KNOW he is bad. But he is shaped like a friend. And I love that.
His placement of Charizard hurts me. Yes he is overrated, what the heck is he doing as Leon's Ace??? That's some BS hands down. But Pepperoni the Charizard, my first ever starter at 12 years old, meant the world to me. There's a reason he's overrated, he's cool!
What weak conviction. What _sniveling._ You say he is shaped like a friend, and proceed to call him bad? By what metric? Surely not his smile. His eyes. His soul? He is not only shaped like a friend, he IS a friend. He is a friend who would love you from the tip of his bulb to the nub of his vines, and yet you forsake him. _Slander him._ You do not deserve to call him friend shaped if you will not stand by him under face of opposition, taking such a meager stance and thinking it qualifies support. Admitting faults that are not only not your own, but lies of the highest calibre. You are no friend of Bulbasaur's. You are not shaped like a friend.
Gen 5 limiting available Pokémon during the campaign is the best decision they ever made. I wish every main title respected its generation enough to do that.
YEAH honestly i was sad when arceus didnt have my beloved quagsire but that forced me to think about my team and i tried new things. i settled on another water/ground, gastrodon, but i also had rowlet instead of my usual fire starter, and i picked up a purugly who made me restructure my team again because i wanted it but the only one i could maybe replace was my fire type. arceus ended up being really standout to me because of it, despite only playing 3 pokemon games.
One reason I dislike XY is that they give you all these rare cool Pokémon randomly in common areas that devalue them. Focus on the new Pokémon and be selective and intentional where Pokémon are found.
As a person who grew up playing (most) every generation of pokemon starting from Gen 1, and currently finds Gen 6 to be the last best pokemon generation.... I wouldn't have turned down a "Pokemon Z".
@@WolieIsHot I feel they did need the upgrade. Like, sun and moon are good, but ultra brings them up quite a bit even if they do sacrifice the lily story for it.
@@josephinefeng3990 unlike RT I skipped Sun and Moon in favour of the Ultras and really enjoyed them (apart from that bloody mandatory gyro controls section)
Personally, I think a lot of the points made about SWSH are countered by the fact that it is a 90 dollar pokemon experience that sucks all the way until you unlock the 30 dollar expansion you bought.
Sw/sh should be a d. I could justify a f or a c but b is too high, this being the first Pokémon game with dlc, having poor graphics and bad animations (which to be honest didn’t bother me too much), an elementary story and average characters, and the whole dexit situation should keep it much lower. The wild area was bland too. The reason it’s not f is because it’s fun- the dlc is worthwhile too. But the $90 for the complete story and poor quality put it low on the Pokémon tier list IMO.
@@fortniteblackmanta1098 DLC is kind of a moot point in a series like Pokémon, where since game 2, you've needed to pay effectively full price again to have access to the "completed" version. Like, I'd rather play for Gen 8, then later DLC, or both at once, than need to buy and play separately Sun and Moon/USUM for the full content of Gen 7.
@@oscarmccormack1611 I disagree. I've always played just one of the two games and never felt like I was missing much content at all. If game exclusive mons are that important to me, I could just find a friend and trade, but the story between games is practically the same with some words swapped out. That's not the same as needing to pay an extra 30 dollars for an already 60 dollar game to be fun. I skipped gen 8 at the suggestion of many of my friends who played the game. Almost $100 saved on a game that would be worse than playing gen 5 again, or maybe trying my hand at the platinum cartridge I never played.
Honestly, having played US/UM and S/M back to back, I honestly think you could play the Ultra games on their own and get a better experience in the post-game in those games than in Sun/Moon. The rainbow rocket storyline and the ability to traverse ultra space to catch the ultra beasts, legendaries and the occasional shiny pokemon was really well done if you ask me, plus the main story only adds on from S/M given it's basically the same game, just with more
Honestly, I found USUM’s story to be a straight downgrade, at least for main game. I also missed the UB mission’s story in Ultra, but I do like episode RR
My take is that USUM is an bad follow-up to Sun and Moon, but a Top 3 game in the series on its own. It’s challenging, has the most Pokémon variety of any game period, and has a lot of extra fun stuff to do over Sun and Moon (Wormholes and Surfing come to mind). It still has relatively slow pacing but it’s not as bad as SM. I think USUM is superior in every way except for the story, but even then it has a good story for Pokémon, since Lillie, Gladion, and Guzma are still some of the best characters in the series.
Seeing that he hasn't played Ultra Sun/Moon and having heard his criteria for ranking the games I think he would like it a fair bit, it cuts back on the hand holding of the base game, significantly revamps the story and gives characters that were neglected more to do (Guzma becomes one of the best characters in Ultra for example) as well as adding a better post game with the Ultra Space mechanic making filling out your national Dex easier and bringing Looker back for the delta episode, I don't know if RT will see this comment but I would definatly say he should try them out because I think he would enjoy them a lot.
I'm iffy on the story in USUM, in a few way it adds to the story of the original, but imo it *completely* guts the best part of SM's story, that being the dynamic between Lillie and her mother. Instead it replaces the climax of the story with a somewhat more generic "big bad legendary might destroy the world, stop them" plotpoint with Necrozma. Mind you, I really like Necrozma and the battle was cool, but the climax in the original games with directly confronting a crazed Lusamine works *so* much better. Also, Lillie leaving permanently after the game's end works much better for the story than her just kinda sticking around (and having a fully trained team the next time you talk to her during the RR postgame, despite having been a trainer for like 2 days at that point).
Not to mention that side story at Aether Paradise where you battle the leaders of the teams from the previous games, including freaking Giovanni and his Mewtwo! That entire part of the post game made it completely worth it.
The difficulty in the ultra games was a great change too. Coming in from the originals I was NOT expecting Guzma to kick my ass hard enough to drive me to thinking "my best strategy here is to bait the sucker punch with my decidueye and use stat boosting items until I can obliterate his whole team". It was overkill and a cheesy move on my part, but it's nuts how no other pokemon game had really forced me to think of a strategy in the story beyond "hit them with a super effective move and heal when needed"
RT : "Ruby and Sapphire is in F Tier !!!" Everyone : _(Raises Pitchforks and Torches)_ RT : "Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire tho, That's on Fucking B Tier !" Everyone : _(Lowers Pitchforks and Torches)_
Got myself a copy of Shield+DLC recently, and I’m already so tired of being told how unbeatable Leon is, and the constant interruptions that show me EXACTLY where to go. I’ll believe in RT’s words and grind through to the DLC content.
I quite liked sword and Shield, although I have to agree, Leon was hyped to be the best trainer and then he gets destroyed easily, and the story was bad
@@MaybeOrangeJuice He gets lost alot too, he is PANTS with directions! He also has a Charizard, and is the champion! Did you mention the Charizard that I have!
It makes me so happy to see what games you put in the S and A tiers because that's exactly how I'd do it. BW/BW2, HGSS and Platinum are incredible! I don't even care where you put the other games 🤣
@@ByllionBucks Honestly inclined to agree with you, Byll. Platinum did some great tweaks to the Galactic storyline, and 4th gen was what really solidified an enemy faction that legitimately wanted to bleach reality as we know it. Planetary conquest and petty thievery? Yeah, fuck no, let's rewrite EVERYTHING. Cyrus's fascist ravings were what really sold me on the game's theme as a whole. I haven't played BD/SP yet, but I'm very curious as to how they spun the story. Probably my next play.
From this list it is clear Dan cares more about interesting mechanics and story, over nescesarily the game "grinding his bones to make some bread" Honestly? That is refreshing. Everyone always praises the hard rom hacks for being hard, but no one mentions how they aren't fun. Edit: probably a better word to use would be that they are Grindy
"How they aren't fun" is really an unfair statement I believe. Do I say that Emerald Kaizo is a fun game for everyone? No, god I'd hate playing it probably because I suck at playing Pokémon games, and most people wouldn't like it. But it is fun to people, why else would it be played (so much)? Admittedly, EK is probably one of the hardest out there, but even just look at a Drayano hack like Blaze Black/Volt White (2): Hella challenging but at the same time they add so much to the games.
Not saying that you are wrong but having it too easy is equally bad. I remember beating bw2 champion with a single pokemon that was 10 levels lower the champion pokemons because i could spam items. Making it harder doesnt mean that you need to make it impossible, a challenging game can be fun too.
The problem is that Pokémon games give so many advantages to the player. Such as way more items, switch mode, mega evolution. The trainers get zero of these benefits (most of the time) and they rarely switch which might be the most important thing you could do in a single battle. I’m not asking Pokémon games to be ultra hard, I just wish the fights were on the same level as me which most rom hacks achieve.
Correct, imo. If you want hard games, and Pokémon, that's fine. But you need to get the rom hacks in that case, because being difficult is the opposite of what Pokémon is about, at least from what I can tell.
One thing I wish they'd done for Gen 6 is make the obligatory Electric alternate starter a tri-stage and give its final form a D&D role as well. Perhaps as a Bard or Cleric.
@@lucisgallery1412 paladin could be fighting/fairy, steel/fairy, electric/fighting, fire/steel, etc. Basically some combination of a 'physical warrior' type like fighting or steel paired with a 'holy light' type like fairy, fire, electric, etc. I think fighting/fairy probably makes the most sense but steel/fairy could also be cool if they give them a metal sword/mace/shield or armor
I straight up forgot a new entry to the franchise is coming with revealed starters while watching this. Like, there are 8 sets of starters at the moment. It’s gonna be interesting to see how they go about the next region, and I hope it’s better in story/progression than Gen 6, 7, and 8 have been.
In my opinion they landed with a wet thud but the DLCs might redeem them like Sword and Shield. I wanted to like them but after Arceus, I don't know the open world just felt less interesting.
I’m glad Black n White we’re up there, I genuinely loved basically everything in both games, they will always be my most favorite and I’m grateful that my 4-5th grade friend convinced me into getting it. Actually worked for it by mowing lawns.
Its so nice too seeing that they finally get the recognition they deserve. People HATED gen 5 especially when it was newer, but overall I think they're my favorite games in the franchise now despite being a former gen 4 stan.
Seeing the chat go ballistic when sword and shield got such a good rating was hilarious. They have a point though, including the dlc in the rating doesn't really feel right, if you need to spend even more money to make the game actually enjoyable, that's always a bad move.
The again when Rt was ranking Legends:Arceus and puts it at B, Some were like "But what if the Dlc though?" And i have a feeling those are the same people that said that about SwSh
I'm actually a big fan of the DLC in hindsight. Full disclosure: I didn't buy it because Sw/Sh left such a bad taste in my mouth, and the DLC had features that should have just been in the base game. But when you compare two $30 DLC against a $60 "third game"...I gotta give it to the DLC
@@tomc.5704 I mean, he values the post-game the most. And thats what the DLC is. It maybe would have been better to rate the DLC seperately (like the usual third game), just to show how bad Sw/Sh really were. But even then I would have rated it lower. Cause a third game always costs 60$. No matter if you bought one of the first two or not. Many people played Platinum without first buying Diamond or Pearl. But if you want to play the DLC, you need to buy Sword or Shield AND the DLC. So its not 30$ against 60$, but more 60$ against 90$.
AGREED. They are 100% right. If you have to spend more money on the game to make it *actually a good game*, that is a sign that it is *not a good damn game.*
SOLD ME ON BW2 , YOU SIR, ARE A LEGEND! i am dead serious when I say, my friends HATE that I favor BW and BW2 over things like diamond/pearl and hgss, but the game had BANGER music, a good story line, a challenging yet not too grindy system, wonderful level design, and now to mention THE WONDERFUL SPRITE ANIMATIONS.
It is such an amazing game that I restarted it to play through it again, and the story and music are BEAUTIFUL, I 100% agree with you on that. I do prefer Gen 4 a tiny bit more just because my first Pokémon game was platinum, but Gen4&5 are my favorite of all
BW1s issue is that the pokemon roster is so bad. Not because the dex sucks (although it is subpar imo), but mostly because all of the actually cool pokemon are put in the endgame or even in the postgame.
my grandma passed away yesterday morning and ive been using your videos to help cheer me up. I dont think people say this enough but thank you so much for making this content RT. I dont know where i would be without your videos but they have massivley cheered me up thank you so much rt
I have to say, I agree with most of these EXCEPT Ruby/Sapphire and X/Y. With R/S, personally, I loved all the pokemon, the story, and I wasn't huge into post-game until recently for pokemon. But the thing that makes R/S high for me (high B, low A) is a VERY personal thing that I acknowledge makes me very biased towards it. Ruby and Sapphire are the pokemon games that really got my older brother and me to bond. I always say Diamond and Pearl were MY first pokemon games, but before those, I would get to play my mother's copy of FR/LG and R/S. Pretty much I'd just fight random pokemon and trainers to help my mom grind while she was too busy with work or... ya know... being a mom. And before R/S, my brother didn't really want to do anything gaming-related with me. We have a big enough age gap where he would think that playing video games with his little brother was lame and dumb. When I started playing R/S, I got to understand pokemon enough that I could really talk about it with my brother. And have FUN talks about it at that. Ever since then, my brother and I have always shared a deep love of pokemon and constantly talk about it to this day. So familial bonding definitely bumps those games up for me. I don't have any cute or fun stories about X/Y... I just loved em! I loved the region, the story (although I admit I don't remember any of it now), the pokemon, the blend of old and new pokemon.... and most of all... Mega Evolutions. God I hope Megas come back.... I loved that mechanic SO much. Also I personally had no struggles with the circle pad and the rollerblades... but that's very subjective!
27:00 Him putting my baby Piplup in S Tier instantly made my day! They're my favourite starter pokemon, and I will always use them if I have the option to
I will say, Dan. Ultra Sun and Moon have a better Pokémon experience than the former, especially in the terms of Nuzlockes. So many fights and events are changed for the better, and the same fights are also much harder, with random trainers now having Pokémon with perfect IVs, and some having better AI. The totem Pokémon are changed as well, and improved upon, making them a much more difficult experience, moreso than the former. The pacing is a little more solid, however its help pandering still exists, but its setting has been taken from the former, and definitely improved upon. It’s a good comparison to make sun/moon and Ultra Sun/Moon to Diamond/pearl and Platinum. There’s no reason to really ever play sun and moon again, when the Ultra games exist, and simply they are a better experience than the former. The Ultra games definitely boosts the Sun and Moon structure to a B from a c/c+.
i got SO excited when RT started talking about b&w and b&w2 bc they’re my absolute favorite pokémon games besides explorers of sky :) all his points he brought up were so spot on
Best spinoff games are pokepark and pokepark 2 imo, they were just so fun to play as a kid and I would get 100% immersed in them and still love it to this day because of the nostalgia and how cute it is
Would probably be A if not for the performance. I think that takes it to maybe a low B high C for him. But that's just a guess since he seemed to really enjoy the game.
Pokemon X was the first Pokemon game I ever played. Kalos is really unique as a region, I like it a lot. A lot of gen 6 pokémon are my favorites like Fennekin, Goodra and Aegislash. But it is a shame that it is so easy and forgetable. Makes you wonder if the reputation of Gen 5 at the moment was the reason XY turned the way it was.
XY were the first games with a fully orchestrated soundtrack, and it was an amazing one at that! It also brought Pokemon into true 3D and added Mega Evolution (the only good battle gimmick) as well as the Fairy type and, as you said, some of the best new Pokemon in recent memory. My only qualm is the lack of difficulty. I've played through the story multiple times and never had an actual challenge. Also the story, though as you say it was coming off the back of B2W2 so it wouldn't have compared favorably anyways.
Oh I firmly believe that Gen 5s initial reception is what caused Pokemons problems today. Why would they change up the formula when Gen 4 was super formulaic and everybody loved it and when they did change the formula in Gen 5 everybody hated it?
To this day my most.memorable playthrough of a pokemon game was in Pokemon Y because my brother and I traded our starters for Eevees and did our best to catch a minimum of pokemon, playing alongside each other and battling after each gym fight. Something about making it into an actual journey, him evolving his even into an Umbreon at the first chance he got and turning it into a curse/wish wall while I waited until nearly endgame to get a Glaceon and finally beating him in a 1 v 1 with snow cloak and blizzard, it was one of the few times I can say I've played these games alongside someone else jnstead of just playing, and it'll keep that game at the top of my list no matter how objectively other games are.
It was also my first Pokemon game! I havent replayed it in years, and yeah the story is eh but I really like the legendaries and starters ! Plus nostalgia is strong
Side note for Sword and Shield, while the DLC may make the game more fun, I should NOT have to pay an extra $30 to get the enjoyment from a game that should have been in the base game.
100% and as someone who hasn't got nintendo online and the dlc. Sword and Shield itself is F or D tier. I love the Pokémon and music in this gen but overall the rest is... Bad.
I never got Sword and Shield originally just bc I was petty and they didn't have my fav Crobat in the base game, but I'm still glad I chose to just watch a playthrough and spend the 60$ on other games. I agree that if the majority opinion is you need DLC to make your $60 game fun then that game sucks. The music is great though, great on a workout playlist!
I would keep Sword and Shield in F despite how good the dlc was. Honestly? It was pretty cool. Definitely gave you some fun things to do. I spent a good bit of time messing around in the dlc to build Pokemon and Pokemon teams. Aside from that, the dlc was still pretty bland and limited. But even so the dlc is what the main game should have been from the start, and even then they need to add more to it just to make the game more than just decent. They made us pay 60$ for an unfinished, abhorrent base game and then had the gall make us pay another 30$ to just so we'd have a reason to play it. I personally refuse to endorse the game at all soley because of scummy business practices like that. If I don't get a good game without dlc (unless the dlc is 100% free), then the game isn't worth buying. Buying it is directly supporting the creation of video games with minimal effort put into them, and I care too much about video games and the industry to let that slide.
Same reason SwSh are the first Pokemon games I completely passed on. (I was _going_ to pass on X and Y, but decided to just give X a try... and was baaadly disappointed. Pokemon Amie was so much more interesting than the game itself that I almost didn't beat it.) Point being, the DLC being decent does not make up for the fact that the base game is bad and you shouldn't have to pay more to make it decent.
I agree with that sentiment. The fact that such a good DLC was sold separately is a sin and i would rate it lower if I could just because of that. Crown Tundra was an extremely good area and the fact it was price gated makes me vehemently upset.
@@noahshad09 That's the thing: He should have. Prices matter. And S&S cost twice as much as the other games. Comparing a game to another game + DLC is like comparing one game to two games, which is obviously unfair.
@@noahshad09 Ok? That that doesn't change my point that gating any quality the game has behind an absurdly high paywall is stupid and scummy. RT can rate it how he wants lol. If he enjoys the game more than me, then so be it. I'm just saying how I would rate this.
Ok ngl at the end of the Pokemon ranking I love how both the top and bottom tiers have a full starter typing, like either one of them could be in a playable side game
RT you're pushing your luck! TH-cam surely won't allow you to do something as abhorrent as *sharing your opinion!* You better watch out, your video might just get taken down!
Bulbasaur's probably the best out of all the starters in terms of progression. The bulb blooming into a flower is a really neat way to signify its growth and no other starter has been able to convey that same sense of cohesion without being boring.
Seeing you give the gen 5 games the recognition they deserve makes me so damn happy, it's my favorite gen. I still have physical copies of both Pokémon Black & White 2 and a physical copy of Black, I've replayed them multiple times and never get tired of it. I hope you'll maybe consider doing a nuzlocke or a playthrough for Pokémon Black/White or Black 2/White 2 in the future.
YES Gen 5 finally getting recognition just has already made my day so much better. Also RT DEFINITELY needs to do a nuzlocke or a playthrough on one of the unova games.
Cyndaquil is my favorite starter, and not for it’s design, it’s stats, or anything like that. It’s because in every Mystery Dungeon game (excluding Gates to Infinity) I’ve gotten Cyndaquil in the personality quiz every time without fail. No guides, nothing. So he’s just a very special mon to me.
so while on the topics of tier lists, what would you say is the best mystery dungeon game ive only played explorers of sky but that was only because (1) dialgas fight to the finish is one of my favorite songs, just ever (2) ive heard lots of good things about it, and in my opinion it holds up to what ive heard. the story in that game is fucking beautiful
I understand all of your points except for the Sword and Shield DLC. If your game is trash without its DLC then those DLC should have been part of the base game. To act otherwise even for a list made for entertainment is to give way too much leeway to greedy companies. I mean, it was frigging thirty dollars and you could only play it by buying a boring sixty dollars game first! If you really think the Sword and Shield DLC is a completely different and much better experience than the base game then rank it separately.
I think he was rating it as a single 100$ game, and honestly, when you have a full time job 100$ isnt *that* much, I just dont have one of those right now. Its hard to argue against it being B rank when you consider how much time streamers spend playing it together, its a fun multiplayer game for them.
@@Reece8u Except if we disregard price then game length, and thus postgame for the most part, doesn't matter either. Game 1 ran out of content? Play another one. Game length pretty much only adds to the efficiency of your purchase. Yet he valued postgame really high.
@@cresuna9271 You're arguing in my favor here man. Post-game *does* add to the game, but only on the condition that the price you pay matters. I also value postgame highly, which is mostly because i'm on a budget. I'm saying RT's stance was wrong because he judged games on their post-game despite entirely disregarding the price.
@@cresuna9271 I guess what I said was a little hard to interpret. Let me reword it: "Except if we disregard price: Game length and most postgame has to be disregarded as well. ..." And yeah, if you found the game fun even for a 100$ game, then it's fair enough to rate it highly. But RT seemed to have just disregarded the price entirely, and directly compared it to other 40-60$ games, despite it being 100$.
Honestly, the only takes I disagree with is that 1) I think that the DLC for Sword and Shield should have been rated separately from the main game due to the fact that they’re locked behind a paywall 2) Chicorita deserves more than an F
@dozensofknives9104 weird. I had to put up decideye in the box and that takes a lot for me to do. I never had to baby Chikorita that hard or for so long because it could still support the team with its leech seed and its powders. Decideye though, from early Ula ula to poni. 10+ levels. Never could use him. Not for lack of trying. He was evenly leveled with the rest of the party so that wasn't the problem. He was just too damm slow and had too many weaknesses. Despite Dhelmise's own stat spread, and same duel typing, it was somehow way more useful. The effective third STAB as an ability just made it better in every way.
"I've never heard anyone excited to use a Paras on their team" Well Daniel, you've never met me. Paras is the best boy and I adore him! I was VERY excited to use one on my Kanto teams and anywhere Paras ends up being! Paras is the best bean!
I remember being super excited as a kid to finally find a Paras early enough I could justify using it, only to learn the hard way how dirty they did him in Gen 1. If the move pool was only better, I know I would have loved him as a solid back up to Bulbasaur.
Goodness, the fact that he just goes so hard and so fast with his topics, looking so objectively at Pokemon..that takes guts to do nowadays, I respect it. Also, 12:30 THE KALOS STARTERS SHOULD'VE HAD THEIR OWN MEGA EVOLUTIONS! *I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL!!!* Edit: Oh wow, I didn't realize I had opened up such a big can of wurmple by saying this. Apperently 188 people agree with me tho so, I feel satisfied with it.
I mean, Ash-Greninja is cool, but only usable in Sun and Moon onwards, not in Gen 6. Definitely wish that all 3 did get Megas though. Definitely should have been how it went, as well as all the Gym Leaders and Elite 4 getting Megas.
Right? I find it so weird that they have such a bad track record of actually giving the starters of a region, the pokémon they know most people will definitely have, the ability to use the main gimmick of the games they're from They did eventually give the Galar starters Gigantamax forms, but only in the DLC
@@calebperkins5050 Well..yeah, I guess? I dunno, I feel like Ash-Greninja was just it's own type of thing in the anime more than a legit mega form. I mean you only get to use it if you play what I assume is a non-canon demo of the game.
And I will die on the hill that mega-evolution set us down a path of poorly thought out, awfully balanced battle gimmicks that never should have been. All it is digivolving from digimon, giving pokemon a temporary stat boost and possibly even type changing and awfully designed model because...reasons. All it did was power up competitive meta pokemon since the majority of mega evolutions went to competitive meta pokemon, and it set this precedent for Game Freak to try and 'spice up' battles with mechanics that simply don't work, aren't fun, and do nothing for balance, when all people have been asking for is direct control of the pokemon in battle, being able to have the pokemon run around, dodge, and attack like in the anime. The one battle mechanic people have been begging for in mainline games has only appeared twice in the franchise; and it was both of the PokePark games on the Wii. A pair of side games had the battle mechanics people have wanted in the main games for years.
I respect the SWSH take, I also absolutely despise the main game and therefore did not buy the DLC because I didn't want to support it. The point Dan is forgetting is that you have to by another full price game to make SWSH enjoyable in the slightest. You should split up the main game and the DLC on rankings like these because they're two entirely separate entities.
Objectively I can see how SWSH would be low-ranked, but I believe it’s be at least a D. Dynamax is dragged through the mud, but it’s not as bad as people say. It’s on par with Megas in both power and reason for existence (which there is none), but more restricted for better balance. To once again compliment the Crown Tundra (and beat down Kanto), there are lore implications that the Galarian legendary birds were discovered before the Kantonian ones.
Yeah, they should have been split up. Also, while I personally didn't buy the DLC because SwSh left such a bad taste in my mouth, I do want to defend the practice. Two $15 DLC > a $60 "third game"
Tom C. Problem is savvy people wait and just buy the third game, whereas the DLC can only be bought after buying the original game. Then again we haven’t had a proper 3rd game since freaking Platinum I think. Wow.
dan: you’re going to spend the majority of your time playing specifically in the post game me, who immediately resets the game as soon as i beat the champion: i feel like we have very different priorities
It’s a shame that Charmander always gets dragged down with Charizard - while I still like Charizard he gets waaay too much special treatment (just like RT) said, but I adore Charmander’s design and Charmander was the Pokémon that actually got me into the franchise when someone gave me my first Pokémon card ever (base set Charmander)
Its mad how the Middle Evolutions, especially Charmeleon are so Underrated. Yet its between one of the best known starters and the most insanely overrated Gen 1 pokemon.
I want to like Charizard, as Charmander was my very first Pokemon... but the love for Charizard has to either stem from nostalgia, design, or competitive qualities. Every new Charizard gimmick dilutes the nostalgia. And if you SHOULD like the new design, you will get to enjoy it for a single generation before it gets tossed to the side for some new gimmick. Putting the spotlight on the same starter over and over again is just tiring.
@@Mama-Luigi Apologies, I've spent too much time on the reddit where people complain about Incinaroar's design and jumped the gun when you said it made you sad.
Charizard having its own tier is the most charizard thing I've ever seen lmao. And what a gigachad move to put it at the bottom. Totally agree too. Charizard is not cool enough to justify GameFreaks extreme favouritism and shoving it down our throats, especially in gen 6.
Honestly, it really is a shame. All these opportunities to give niche pokemon a space in the spotlight and you put the most well liked pokemon there instead. Thats like running a charity to support the wealthy.
The hoenn region gets so much flak for the water, which honestly i find so unfair. The region has so much variety, especially compared to places like kanto or johto, which I would argue are entire regions that take place on "a road near the woods", except for when they sometimes go into said woods.
I thought the climbing waterfalls and going underwater were cool! I am also someone who lives in the tropics though, maybe it wasn't as relatable for some other players but I'll always be soft on Hoenn as a region myself for it.
@@minticedtea as someone who lives in the frozen north and for most of my childhood thought 50m wide rivers where some sort of herculean trial from the gods really loved the underwater parts, its like the most iconic part of the games for me (except for stupid child me failing over and over again with the bike "puzzle" in rayquaza's tower) and its the only pokemon game where i actually wanted to explore any water at all, in every game before and since i just optimise my pathings to get out of the water as fast as possible because its just more bland and worse blue colored grass imo
kanto and johto are ass compared to hoenn. sure lots of water but there’s so much variety like the route by the weather institute with the tall grass & invisible keckleons was so cool for its time. town design was top tier too
I'm kind of jealous that everyone else loves their first starter. I picked Chimchar in Diamond because I found him the cutest then he just sort of got bigger and had a weird outfit with his evolutions whereas the other two starters looked badass in their final evolutions. I tossed him in storage as soon as I found a Ponyta (which is a really boring pokemon but at least didn't anger me) and never looked back. PS Screw gen 4's lack of fire types.
This is the best tier list video I've seen on youtube bc instead of it being a long drawn out decision of placing stuff, it's fast paced, Dan explaining where he places stuff while chat loses their mind in the background
He's also absolutely right about everything. (Well I'd put Arceus a tier higher but that's just because I had a lot of fun playing it, he makes good points)
In Japanese it's even called "ARSE-eus". They changed it when the Japanese team realized it was a bad word but they probably had all the voice acting done for the games/tv shows already 😆 I live in Japan now and I'm not gonna start calling it "Ar-KEY-us" because I already have enough Japanese pokemon names to memorize 💀💀 Also, I taught my Japanese roommate the Brock meme calling onigiri "jelly donuts" and now she calls them jelly donuts 😂😂😂
I feel like judging a game off post game content is very fair, but judging Sword & Shield on DLC which you have to pay ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR isn't fair to the other games. I consider DLC very separate from a game, yeah they're connected by the fact that the DLC is FOR that game but if the only real positive you can find is DLC you have to pay extra money for the game fuckin sucks
This is completely true. If I buy Sword/Shield I shouldn't be getting a completely different experience then what the rating provided. It is completely different experiences.
I think DLC is good for the series. $30 for both DLC > $60 for a "third game" People are hating on the DLC just because it's called DLC, but it's a marked improvement
Tom C. that only applies to people who buy both the original and third game though. Otherwise it’s $60+$30 being compared to a 3rd game purchase of just $60
@@emblemblade9245 Well if you were going to wait for the 3rd game, then you can wait for the base game go on sale. The same month the final DLC came out, the base game was on sale for $40 (probably a promotion; can't find it at that price anymore) So that's still $70 for a game+DLC that gave you far more added content than, say, Platinum Edit: And holy crap, Platinum came out TWO YEARS after Diamond and Pearl
Now I’m hoping that when Scarlet/Violet comes out, they have a mosaic/painting of Charizard somewhere in the game. Also, USUM doesn’t have Charizard featured at all in it, so I think you should try it out. (Mantine surfing was awesome)
Sun Moon was my first pokemo game, so maybe im biased, But outside of the rival, and others stopping you a lot its actually super cool! Walking around and going actually shopping in the store is super fun. Id love to see Alola in a arceus like style where everything is way more open world.
Yes, sun and moon were my first too and I loved it so much, I liked the pacing and the setting so much! Plus Rowlet is so cute! But I feel like I recognize my nostalgia factors in and I haven't played over half the other Pokemon games here so idk how much I'd like it if I'd played more than 4 Pokemon games. And yes, if they ever made an Arceus style Alola that would be so amazing
Oddly enough, despite enjoying the series for years, it was also my first game. I love a good story, I can turn and look at my full bookshelves from my computer and there was very little in the game to interest me in Sun and Moons story. I loved the idea, I loved the setting and regional variants were great. . .of course I never went back and finished Sun and Moon.
I'm a longtime player who's been around since gen4, Sun/Moon are actually some of my favorites! The characters are really fun and I found Hau really endearing, a lot of people are annoyed at the "hand holding" but when you consider your character just moved to the region, he really does feel like a new friend showing you around and caring about you. It's so cute
Gen 7 will always hold a special place in my heart. Sun and Moon was the first time I got to follow from it's announcement to release. I also was obsessed with the movie Lilo and Stitch when I was a kid, to the point where I wanted to go to Hawaii more than anything, so alola reminded me a bit of that time during my childhood too. I also say it has the second best story behind Black and White, enjoyable characters, and I liked that they changed the gym formula.
“Mewtwo has committed several war crimes at this point” Fair. Very fair. He has kidnapped people, for one. He tried to steal Pokémon, which is most likely a big crime in the Pokémon universe, and I believe it has also terrorized people on multiple occasions. And if we are also counting the manga, it tried to murder people at least twice
I dont agree with every placement, but I respect most of your reasons. The only one I found odd was your claim the roller skates were 'uncontrollable' in XY- I've never had an issue with that myself
Literally false. Feraligatr is a waaaay better looking Pokémon than Samurott. It also carries through the entirety of its generation. Like legit, I used only totodile the entire game and only fainted to Whitney’s miltank. Severely underrated.
@@stoopidapples1596 dewott is my favorite starter middle stage and croconaw is one of my least tbh. also yeah pokemon games for the most part arent _that_ hard w/ just your starter
I was really happy when Rowlet was put in first. He was my first ever and I saw everyone only ever talking about incineroar at the time. I love decidueye even though I didn’t know how to pronounce his name at first.
A person's first Pokémon *really* does seem to stick with them. Squirtle was my first, and I've still got a soft spot for Blastoise to this day, despite Swampert being my general favorite starter.
This was one of the most pure honest and harshest opinions I've seen and I loved every second of it, I think ruby is my favorite of the franchise for nostalgia, but yeah it's an underwhelming game
thats slightly better tbh. Makes it limited time, soughta fun, etc. Charizard was getting added with perfect IV's and EV's from other peoples games once pokemon home support is added, so I don't think its ludicrous. Not only that but Charizard isnt exactly thrown in your face like the other games he mentioned (SwSh, XY, etc.).
@@daaaaaaanny But Serperior is so cool, and the fact it learns leaf blade early is great. In fact, all of the gen 5 starters learn great moves early. Flame charge, razor shell and leaf blade are an improvement from ember, water gun and razor leaf by a massive margin.
Giving Sw&Sh a B is very generous, especially given how expensive it is. The main game barely holds together and is too short for its price tag, the DLCs are mediocre and too short for their price tags, it completely removes a lot of Pokemon for basically no reason, dynamaxing is the worst super-charge gimmick, and the plot is hot garbage. The post-game is good, the new Pokemon are great, but it's not up to Gamefreak's usual, let alone above average. I'd give it a D at most.
This is probably the most well thought out tier list I have ever seen. Whether you agree or not, you have to admit he thought this through and knows a lot about the games.
I love how RT uses logic, and not nostalgia to rank all the Pokemon games. And I agree that the first few generations of Pokemon games are severely overrated and do not match up with later titles.
Except not really because if he had used logic instead of nostalgia, HGSS would have been a lot lower than they actually are. :/ They are fraught with issues that he didn't even touch on, many of which were issues he had with *other games* that he ranked lower.
I respect and understand were RT is coming from, but It's not nostalgia to rank it higher than f tier. It's like say fire is f tier because LED bulbs exist. They had to come up with R/B/Y to make great games like B2/W2
i didn’t think my opinions about starters were that strong till i could feel the amount of stress you were giving me with leaving mudkip and popplio as the few last ones you ranked, they’re my favorites but i can accept the rankings you gave them haha
Personally I find that dicidueye and its regional forms are the peak of what regional forms: normal forms should be. Regional forms need to have a different enough silloughet and vibe so they are recodnizable from each other. And personally I find the other starter regional forms to be really bad even though they are good and somewhat better than the OG designs. They just don’t feel diffrent enough. Where as I feel OG dicidue way preferable, the regional form just feels like it’s the best of them. Thanks for reading.
Shame you haven't played Ultra Sun and Moon. It reeeeally improves on the original. Changes the story, adds new characters and content, cuts down on the cut scenes, makes it harder AND adds some post game content. One of the few games where it seemed like fans criticism was listened to and used to improve the game. It's definitely worth a play in my opinion. I agree with most of these honestly. I don't think that it's fair to rank SwSh based on dlc though. The original game didn't have it and you have to pay for basically a whole new game, so I feel like they should be ranked separately, or count less towards its score. Guess I have to go finish BW2 now. Funny, I didn't play it because I thought it was just a Remake of BW and wouldn't have much new content, which is the reason so many people skipped USUM. Hahaha.
The Ultra Necrozma fight alone raises it up a tier from regular sun/moon in my eyes. Although I do wish it had kept some of sun/moons story elements and cleverly incorporated them into a more fleshed out version, or made it a sequel, instead of just redoing sun and moon with a story that completely cuts out lots of the lusamine questline.
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi My number one criticism of USUM is what they did to Lusamine. My number two is the sheer amount of wasted potential in the Ultra Megalopolis plotline. I love the blue people and I love Necrozma and I just wish there was more to them.
@@gyppygirl2021 Honestly, I'll take the change to Lusamine if it means not having them make Lillie disappear off to Kanto. That was kinda my issue with the base games is never hearing from her again post game.
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi It makes sense when you go there to fight Ultra Necrozma because that's your goal - you don't have time to explore, you have to save the world. When you revisit it in postgame? No excuse.
I love that your tier list actually uses the whole range of tiers (bonus points for the normal distribution). Too many apologists out there that are afraid to put things in F tier.
Alolan raichu definitely needs to be S+ tier for one simple reason: the sprite RT used here made it look like it's constantly T-posing in mid-air. But yeah, I agree. I would absolutely love a ranking of every pokemon too.
8:00 I have actually never heard anyone bring up this argument for Unova’s regional dex, but it makes so much sense if you think about it. It was the first time since Gen 1 where you are forced to make a completely new team on your first play through, and you get to discover 151 brand new Pokemon.
Okay the dexit problem is that the pokemon were literally not programmed into the game in ruby and sapphire all pokemon to that point are programmed into the game and usable, that was the problem in my eyes.
Exactly!!! We just want to transfer our old Pokémon in the post game and Sun and Moon already cleared up on what to do when there is so much Pokémon in a dex for the shiny charm... You get the charm when you catch all of the regional pokemon!!! Pokémon that are not found in game can still be transferred in perfectly.
Something I noticed when replaying BW is how bad the pacing actually was. To name one of the issues, you legitimately get stopped by what would be cutscene events in modern games on every route except the optional one to the right of nimbasa city. I think the only reason people don't notice it has the same issues as SuMo is because it's in 2D and you can more easily mash A to skip the text.
well, to be fair, the devs did try to break up the story pacing by adding optional stuff to do. like the subway, the stadiums, optional caves and a couple optional routes. and then its questionable whether to include it, but there was also the entralink and dream world. which... are things dependent on if you have friends or were playing the game while the service existed.
I dont think I ever noticed the pacing problem as a kid because i spent so much time doing other stuff. Like I genuinely spent a couple hours on most of the side material like the musicals. I never did that in any of the other game except for sword and shield where I also never noticed the pacing until it was pointed out.
I was expecting to be offended by Sun and Moon since it’s my favorite but the points you made are actually SO true the pacing was horrific (Also, Ultra sun/moon was much better and had much more post game content- like a LOT more) this list i actually totally agree with 😱
I actually hated USUM. The whole time I was playing it I was like, man I wish I was playing SM instead. I thought the post game sucked and hated the changes to Lillie's story a lot. SM is probably my second favourite mainline game though.
21:26 If you Google the pronunciation of Arceus, it lists the American pronunciation as aar-see-uhs, but it lists the British pronunciation as aa-kee-uhs.
RT proving he fears no man or god with this one. A true intellectual appreciating Gen 5 for the fantastic set of games that it is! As for USUM you didn't really miss much - the changes to the story made the plot weaker than Sun and Moon in my personal opinion but the quality of life changes were fantastic, so it's a really good base of operations for breeding, preparing competitive Pokemon and the suchlike. It was great at the time, but with competitive moving to the switch, people going back to Gen 7 now for a one-and-done playthrough experience are probably better playing Sun or Moon because of the story. ...and as much as it hurts to admit I will accept that my love of the Gen 3 games, console and all, are very much fuelled by nostalgia. Can't argue there! Great takes even for the ones where I didn't actually agree with you.
The thing that grates me for USUM was the disappointment with the lack of content in the worlds beyond the Ultra Wormholes. I found the Ultra Recon Squad and their home interesting, but Megalopolis boils down to being a hallway towards Ultra Necrozma. I think if they spiced up the different worlds you can venture to past the Wormholes, it would have been so much better. It was a wasted opportunity, sadly.
I agree almost entirely with you EXCEPT for your take on Colosseum. The fact that the game is entirely double battles makes it feel like a traditional Pokémon game but with a unique spin and allows for much more complex strategy. Its also quite difficult due to the limited selection of Pokémon.
Also, for alolan muk in particular, I'd say the really neat looking animations he gets in-game should boost him higher on that alone. Alolan muk is irridescent and its so pretty lol
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This video now has the highest dislike to like ratio of anything I've ever made on my channel. That's how I know I've got some spicy takes hahaha
No but for real I love the discussions coming off of this video. Everyone is gonna have different opinions on Pokemon games and it's a fun talking point. So thanks to everyone who's sharing their different takes on this video
But what's the ratio
You cant put snivy all the way down in C tier and expect anything else
His Reasoning is the most logical, I have ever heard about stuff I don't really agree with.
It all seemed pretty spot on to me lol
Honestly, you hurt me with Sun and Moon at first, but I get your points. It was very badly paced and you could only explore after completing an island without being stopped a ton
I didn’t even know I had a single strong opinion about Pokemon, until you put Ruby and Saphire in F 😂😂
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Knowing how blunt RT usually is, and knowing how undoubtedly civilized the pokemon fandom is, I can imagine this can only end in horror.
Attack of the fire nation, also known as the Charizard fans
The true horror of this stream sadly wasn't RT's opinions, it was twitch putting an incredibly high amount of ads.
@@dallunatic Ads.
@@Vykk_Draygo oh yeah sorry, didn't see that i put the double d
I'm fine with everything in the video other than my boi Totodile getting absolutely shit on, shit was actual roadside murder on Liveleak. Didn't deserve it.
As someone who's never played a single Pokémon game, this felt like murder with how blunt RT was and I loved every moment of it.
play heart gold and never bother with any other game untill they change the formula, maybe try arceus if you gonna like the heart gold one
also never played a pokemon game, i live for sending this to my pokemon playing friends and watching them devolve into wild hyenas
I agree with most of his list, people are just weighed down by nostalgia tbh
The main thing with his list is that with every statement he makes you can be sure that someone, somewhere is going to throw a fit and start a hate campaign, no matter if the statement was positive or negative
I've only ever played the two black and white games, and I completely agree with everything he said
Cyndaquil was my first Pokémon too. I named him “boner” because I was a young kid and didn’t know what that meant.
Why? XD
Based
you had very good naming skills when you were younger
Greatest comment to ever exist
Boner just means a mistake.
I'd love to see a black and white nuzlocke. It's too bad so many good games are coming out this year.
Thats what im saying
Same
Or even better, blazeblack or voltwhite
I absolutely want to do them, just a case of timing
@@RTGame Nice thing is that you can take any of the games and do one. You can choose gen1 with a very short playtime, or something like black and white where there is still so much content outside of battling, that takes more than 10 hours to finish.
I'm only half way through the first tier list and i'm already shocked by your bravery
you gotta play XD though
XD remains one of my favorite Pokémon games ever. It’s wonky in the best way but god it’s extremely fun and the battles are great
I really want to play it and actually beat it, but 10 years ago I played it with a corrupted memory card. Game reset, I went through a good chunk of the beginning so many times that even now I still remember how the intro goes. And the beginning is just so slow when you have done it 10 times already. Its an odd situation where I have burned out on a game but still want to play it
He has to play ultra sun and moon, they add the battle tree
Dan pulling up Marnie's last battle theme and immediately trashing Charizard is powerful
Marnie’s battle theme is such flames he had to combat the fires of the Charizard fans with it
Table of contents:
0:00 *Game tier list*
0:00 Red, Blue, Yellow
0:43 Ruby and Sapphire
1:43 Emerald
2:25 Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
3:44 HeartGold and SoulSilver
5:09 Black2 and White2
7:39 Black and White
9:51 UltraSun, UltraMoon, and XD
10:21 Sun and Moon
11:46 X and Y
12:42 Gold, Silver, and Crystal
13:13 FireRed and LeafGreen
14:18 Legends: Arceus
15:50 Sword and Shield
18:10 Colosseum
19:04 Let's Go
19:34 Platinum
21:59 Diamond and Pearl
22:12 Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl
23:06 *Starters*
23:08 Most Fire types
26:52 Most Water and Grass types
32:26 *oh no*
32:34 oh _no_
Oh no I’ll just assume that’s toad voice time
@@CJCarrotsJam No, it's Opinion Hell
Me and my wife first thought it's gonna be a meme-video where RT goes on purpose for all the controversial opinions for the laughs and chat reactions. But it turned out to be a FULL-QUALITY analysis video, especially during the games section.
Also, RT, we're watching you since the old days when you were shy of yourself - and we're so happy for you to grow strong in self esteem and became not just an entertainer for us but a great strong pillar of a person for yourself
Are you that family that had a kid while watching it?
@@milo_south3670 WHILE watching?!
@@Azulean yup, it happened on stream
@@Azulean gave birth during a stream and not had fun in the bedroom iykwim. I felt like I had to clarify. Another couple got married during a minecraft stream and the person who sent the donos was almost late walking down the aisle
@@milo_south3670 no, but I remember that moment
Dan really hit us with the “R/S/E 7.8/10 too much water” didn’t he
I'm in shock that he actually doubled down on it
@@warhawk3972 because there literally is too much water
@@oramulk5901 I agree wholeheartedly. It is literally why I dropped the games when I tried completing them... SO MUCH WATER
An IGN review getting memed on doesn't really change that the entire last quarter of the game is just water and caves.
As memed as it is, it's a legit complaint. Too many water routes limits your movement speed and the variety of Pokemon and trainers you encounter
Charizard got 2 mega evolutions. Latias and Latios had to share one.
Then there is slopoke that has 2 evolutions, on of it has mega evolution, and has a regional version
@@marfy0915 Slowpoke isn't overshadowing over 900 other Pokemon. Charizard is. Hell, Charizard gets more love from Gamefreak than the other Kanto starters!
Flygon got nothin
How dare you they have different eye colors. Everyone can totally tell the difference!!! :((((((
@@Twinklethefox9022 I hate Flygon, simply because of Raihan’s.
i 100% disagree with about half of your opinions however 1000% love and respect you for the decision making behind it all. the great thing about pokemon is that there’s something for everyone, i take ages to complete a game so the main play aspect is important to me, i never get to the postgame properly, visuals are important to me so early gens are not great to play in my opinion. another banger of a video.
Based disagreement
I can get a solid 60-80 hour on the main game, so I agree with you that the story often creates my opinion over a game. As a steamer who puts tons of hours into the postgame content, I see why RT values that more.
I'll be honest, I respect and agree with so many of your rankings in these lists, RT. Which is why your placement of Bulbasaur so low causes me pain. I KNOW he is bad. But he is shaped like a friend. And I love that.
His placement of Charizard hurts me. Yes he is overrated, what the heck is he doing as Leon's Ace??? That's some BS hands down. But Pepperoni the Charizard, my first ever starter at 12 years old, meant the world to me. There's a reason he's overrated, he's cool!
What weak conviction. What _sniveling._ You say he is shaped like a friend, and proceed to call him bad? By what metric? Surely not his smile. His eyes. His soul? He is not only shaped like a friend, he IS a friend. He is a friend who would love you from the tip of his bulb to the nub of his vines, and yet you forsake him. _Slander him._ You do not deserve to call him friend shaped if you will not stand by him under face of opposition, taking such a meager stance and thinking it qualifies support. Admitting faults that are not only not your own, but lies of the highest calibre. You are no friend of Bulbasaur's. You are not shaped like a friend.
@@stirlinghart2412 “You are not shaped like a friend” is a phrase I have to use from this point forward.
@@stirlinghart2412 wake up babe new copypasta just dropped
Lol
I love how much genuine thought went into this. It's not just "I didn't like this one"
yeah but his reasonings were frankly just bad
@@donuttheturtle2.070 no
@@donuttheturtle2.070 crazy, too bad nobody asked
@@EddieB-ready ur the one crying
@@donuttheturtle2.070 really? Do explain
Gen 5 limiting available Pokémon during the campaign is the best decision they ever made. I wish every main title respected its generation enough to do that.
YEAH honestly i was sad when arceus didnt have my beloved quagsire but that forced me to think about my team and i tried new things. i settled on another water/ground, gastrodon, but i also had rowlet instead of my usual fire starter, and i picked up a purugly who made me restructure my team again because i wanted it but the only one i could maybe replace was my fire type. arceus ended up being really standout to me because of it, despite only playing 3 pokemon games.
@@nyanbinary87 Gen V and Arceus. Hmm... What do they have in common, oh yeah they're fucking bangers.
Pokémon designs would be much more hit-or-miss if nearly 200 new Pokémon had to be created each generation.
One reason I dislike XY is that they give you all these rare cool Pokémon randomly in common areas that devalue them. Focus on the new Pokémon and be selective and intentional where Pokémon are found.
I typically like playing Pokémon games with only newly added Pokémon. I don’t get why people hated the limitations, it makes you try new stuff!
16:23 "the main characters are so damn obnoxious"
considering the region is based on the UK, id say that's spot on
had the game been pg you would’ve been stabbed by the time you’ve finished the first gym
True
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@@lahar2412 and would have met multiple drug dealers
I like that RT actually really thoroughly explained a lot of his reasoning for the choices that he made.
Yeah but it was all based on nerd shit
Its a shame X and Y didn’t get its definitive edition like the rest of the games as that might’ve fixed a lot of the problems there was with X and Y
As a person who grew up playing (most) every generation of pokemon starting from Gen 1, and currently finds Gen 6 to be the last best pokemon generation.... I wouldn't have turned down a "Pokemon Z".
agreed and pokemon sun and moon really didn't need its second version
@@WolieIsHot I feel they did need the upgrade. Like, sun and moon are good, but ultra brings them up quite a bit even if they do sacrifice the lily story for it.
@@josephinefeng3990 unlike RT I skipped Sun and Moon in favour of the Ultras and really enjoyed them (apart from that bloody mandatory gyro controls section)
@@TheHutchy01you can actually change the gyro controls
Personally, I think a lot of the points made about SWSH are countered by the fact that it is a 90 dollar pokemon experience that sucks all the way until you unlock the 30 dollar expansion you bought.
Sw/sh should be a d. I could justify a f or a c but b is too high, this being the first Pokémon game with dlc, having poor graphics and bad animations (which to be honest didn’t bother me too much), an elementary story and average characters, and the whole dexit situation should keep it much lower. The wild area was bland too. The reason it’s not f is because it’s fun- the dlc is worthwhile too. But the $90 for the complete story and poor quality put it low on the Pokémon tier list IMO.
@@fortniteblackmanta1098
DLC is kind of a moot point in a series like Pokémon, where since game 2, you've needed to pay effectively full price again to have access to the "completed" version. Like, I'd rather play for Gen 8, then later DLC, or both at once, than need to buy and play separately Sun and Moon/USUM for the full content of Gen 7.
The main issue I had with the game was that it felt clunky/not really fun to play
@@oscarmccormack1611 I disagree. I've always played just one of the two games and never felt like I was missing much content at all. If game exclusive mons are that important to me, I could just find a friend and trade, but the story between games is practically the same with some words swapped out. That's not the same as needing to pay an extra 30 dollars for an already 60 dollar game to be fun. I skipped gen 8 at the suggestion of many of my friends who played the game. Almost $100 saved on a game that would be worse than playing gen 5 again, or maybe trying my hand at the platinum cartridge I never played.
@@peterbenoni1470 but what about third versions?
Honestly, having played US/UM and S/M back to back, I honestly think you could play the Ultra games on their own and get a better experience in the post-game in those games than in Sun/Moon. The rainbow rocket storyline and the ability to traverse ultra space to catch the ultra beasts, legendaries and the occasional shiny pokemon was really well done if you ask me, plus the main story only adds on from S/M given it's basically the same game, just with more
Honestly, I found USUM’s story to be a straight downgrade, at least for main game. I also missed the UB mission’s story in Ultra, but I do like episode RR
USUM screws up the Lusamine storyline which is one of the most interesting parts of SM
My take is that USUM is an bad follow-up to Sun and Moon, but a Top 3 game in the series on its own. It’s challenging, has the most Pokémon variety of any game period, and has a lot of extra fun stuff to do over Sun and Moon (Wormholes and Surfing come to mind). It still has relatively slow pacing but it’s not as bad as SM. I think USUM is superior in every way except for the story, but even then it has a good story for Pokémon, since Lillie, Gladion, and Guzma are still some of the best characters in the series.
All remakes are the same game with more shit
@@Mama-Luigi or just a flat update
This is probably one of the weirdest Smash or Pass Tier List I've ever seen on TH-cam
The only hilarious part about that joke is how hilariously unfunny it is
@@lynx4082 54+ people disagree with you
@@lynx4082 yeah the trend unfunny after the first video that wasnt Made by markiplier
It was way too fucking easy to see its a cashgrab
@@lynx4082 i think it wasnt really made to be funny but more to voice his opinions
@@spiderfrog5764 it was always a cash grab type video
Seeing that he hasn't played Ultra Sun/Moon and having heard his criteria for ranking the games I think he would like it a fair bit, it cuts back on the hand holding of the base game, significantly revamps the story and gives characters that were neglected more to do (Guzma becomes one of the best characters in Ultra for example) as well as adding a better post game with the Ultra Space mechanic making filling out your national Dex easier and bringing Looker back for the delta episode, I don't know if RT will see this comment but I would definatly say he should try them out because I think he would enjoy them a lot.
It was just soooooooo much better than Sun and Moon. Hopefully he goes back and plays it cuz it was great
The only thing I prefer in Sun and Moon over USUM is Lusamine. She went from my favourite villain to just being there..
I'm iffy on the story in USUM, in a few way it adds to the story of the original, but imo it *completely* guts the best part of SM's story, that being the dynamic between Lillie and her mother. Instead it replaces the climax of the story with a somewhat more generic "big bad legendary might destroy the world, stop them" plotpoint with Necrozma. Mind you, I really like Necrozma and the battle was cool, but the climax in the original games with directly confronting a crazed Lusamine works *so* much better. Also, Lillie leaving permanently after the game's end works much better for the story than her just kinda sticking around (and having a fully trained team the next time you talk to her during the RR postgame, despite having been a trainer for like 2 days at that point).
Not to mention that side story at Aether Paradise where you battle the leaders of the teams from the previous games, including freaking Giovanni and his Mewtwo! That entire part of the post game made it completely worth it.
The difficulty in the ultra games was a great change too. Coming in from the originals I was NOT expecting Guzma to kick my ass hard enough to drive me to thinking "my best strategy here is to bait the sucker punch with my decidueye and use stat boosting items until I can obliterate his whole team". It was overkill and a cheesy move on my part, but it's nuts how no other pokemon game had really forced me to think of a strategy in the story beyond "hit them with a super effective move and heal when needed"
RT : "Ruby and Sapphire is in F Tier !!!"
Everyone : _(Raises Pitchforks and Torches)_
RT : "Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire tho, That's on Fucking B Tier !"
Everyone : _(Lowers Pitchforks and Torches)_
Got myself a copy of Shield+DLC recently, and I’m already so tired of being told how unbeatable Leon is, and the constant interruptions that show me EXACTLY where to go. I’ll believe in RT’s words and grind through to the DLC content.
That’s the main issue, base sword and shield is just so boring, but the dlc is very fun. Wish I could just play the dlc tbh
Did you know that Leon is unbeatable, super cool and has a charizard!? 😎
I quite liked sword and Shield, although I have to agree, Leon was hyped to be the best trainer and then he gets destroyed easily, and the story was bad
@@MaybeOrangeJuice He gets lost alot too, he is PANTS with directions! He also has a Charizard, and is the champion! Did you mention the Charizard that I have!
They annoy you with Leon’s reputation so you can smash it to bits.
It makes me so happy to see what games you put in the S and A tiers because that's exactly how I'd do it. BW/BW2, HGSS and Platinum are incredible! I don't even care where you put the other games 🤣
Glad to see other TH-camrs that I watch enjoy the same content I do
I never played BW 2, watching this is giving me strong considerations, my fav best game was Plat and that’s the hill i die on XD
@@ByllionBucks Honestly inclined to agree with you, Byll. Platinum did some great tweaks to the Galactic storyline, and 4th gen was what really solidified an enemy faction that legitimately wanted to bleach reality as we know it. Planetary conquest and petty thievery? Yeah, fuck no, let's rewrite EVERYTHING. Cyrus's fascist ravings were what really sold me on the game's theme as a whole. I haven't played BD/SP yet, but I'm very curious as to how they spun the story. Probably my next play.
@@RenaultDiscordia and neve forget Cynthia
Never forget
From this list it is clear Dan cares more about interesting mechanics and story, over nescesarily the game "grinding his bones to make some bread"
Honestly? That is refreshing.
Everyone always praises the hard rom hacks for being hard, but no one mentions how they aren't fun.
Edit: probably a better word to use would be that they are Grindy
"How they aren't fun" is really an unfair statement I believe. Do I say that Emerald Kaizo is a fun game for everyone? No, god I'd hate playing it probably because I suck at playing Pokémon games, and most people wouldn't like it. But it is fun to people, why else would it be played (so much)?
Admittedly, EK is probably one of the hardest out there, but even just look at a Drayano hack like Blaze Black/Volt White (2): Hella challenging but at the same time they add so much to the games.
Not saying that you are wrong but having it too easy is equally bad.
I remember beating bw2 champion with a single pokemon that was 10 levels lower the champion pokemons because i could spam items.
Making it harder doesnt mean that you need to make it impossible, a challenging game can be fun too.
The problem is that Pokémon games give so many advantages to the player. Such as way more items, switch mode, mega evolution. The trainers get zero of these benefits (most of the time) and they rarely switch which might be the most important thing you could do in a single battle.
I’m not asking Pokémon games to be ultra hard, I just wish the fights were on the same level as me which most rom hacks achieve.
Yeah, I like getting lots of exp at once when winning battles!
Correct, imo. If you want hard games, and Pokémon, that's fine. But you need to get the rom hacks in that case, because being difficult is the opposite of what Pokémon is about, at least from what I can tell.
One thing I wish they'd done for Gen 6 is make the obligatory Electric alternate starter a tri-stage and give its final form a D&D role as well. Perhaps as a Bard or Cleric.
I could see Bard being cool for an electric
And give the bars a electric guitar
Basically Toxtricity but make it a starter
Need a Paladin themed one. I can’t think of a type that would’ve worked with that theme tho
@@lucisgallery1412 paladin could be fighting/fairy, steel/fairy, electric/fighting, fire/steel, etc. Basically some combination of a 'physical warrior' type like fighting or steel paired with a 'holy light' type like fairy, fire, electric, etc. I think fighting/fairy probably makes the most sense but steel/fairy could also be cool if they give them a metal sword/mace/shield or armor
I straight up forgot a new entry to the franchise is coming with revealed starters while watching this. Like, there are 8 sets of starters at the moment. It’s gonna be interesting to see how they go about the next region, and I hope it’s better in story/progression than Gen 6, 7, and 8 have been.
tbf, progression is gen 7's only problem
Gen 7 was amazing but the progression was absolutely horrible
In my opinion they landed with a wet thud but the DLCs might redeem them like Sword and Shield. I wanted to like them but after Arceus, I don't know the open world just felt less interesting.
I’m glad Black n White we’re up there, I genuinely loved basically everything in both games, they will always be my most favorite and I’m grateful that my 4-5th grade friend convinced me into getting it. Actually worked for it by mowing lawns.
Wish I could get my hands on a 3Ds and black and white but it’s really expensive
I have black two out of box after trading white two with a friend and I LOVE black and white two seeing that white two was my first Pokemon game.
@@commanderstorm8874emulation my friend
Its so nice too seeing that they finally get the recognition they deserve. People HATED gen 5 especially when it was newer, but overall I think they're my favorite games in the franchise now despite being a former gen 4 stan.
Same they were my first pokemon games and I truly loved them both
Seeing the chat go ballistic when sword and shield got such a good rating was hilarious. They have a point though, including the dlc in the rating doesn't really feel right, if you need to spend even more money to make the game actually enjoyable, that's always a bad move.
The again when Rt was ranking Legends:Arceus and puts it at B, Some were like "But what if the Dlc though?" And i have a feeling those are the same people that said that about SwSh
I'm actually a big fan of the DLC in hindsight. Full disclosure: I didn't buy it because Sw/Sh left such a bad taste in my mouth, and the DLC had features that should have just been in the base game.
But when you compare two $30 DLC against a $60 "third game"...I gotta give it to the DLC
"but Legends of Arceus has a DLC, rate it again" - chat
@@tomc.5704 I mean, he values the post-game the most. And thats what the DLC is. It maybe would have been better to rate the DLC seperately (like the usual third game), just to show how bad Sw/Sh really were. But even then I would have rated it lower. Cause a third game always costs 60$. No matter if you bought one of the first two or not. Many people played Platinum without first buying Diamond or Pearl. But if you want to play the DLC, you need to buy Sword or Shield AND the DLC. So its not 30$ against 60$, but more 60$ against 90$.
AGREED. They are 100% right. If you have to spend more money on the game to make it *actually a good game*, that is a sign that it is *not a good damn game.*
SOLD ME ON BW2 , YOU SIR, ARE A LEGEND! i am dead serious when I say, my friends HATE that I favor BW and BW2 over things like diamond/pearl and hgss, but the game had BANGER music, a good story line, a challenging yet not too grindy system, wonderful level design, and now to mention THE WONDERFUL SPRITE ANIMATIONS.
It is such an amazing game that I restarted it to play through it again, and the story and music are BEAUTIFUL, I 100% agree with you on that. I do prefer Gen 4 a tiny bit more just because my first Pokémon game was platinum, but Gen4&5 are my favorite of all
I hate the gen 5 Pokemon, but BW2 are easily the best Pokemon games I've played. They have so much content, and pretty much all of it hits.
BW1s issue is that the pokemon roster is so bad. Not because the dex sucks (although it is subpar imo), but mostly because all of the actually cool pokemon are put in the endgame or even in the postgame.
my grandma passed away yesterday morning and ive been using your videos to help cheer me up. I dont think people say this enough but thank you so much for making this content RT. I dont know where i would be without your videos but they have massivley cheered me up
thank you so much rt
I'm so sorry to hear that and I'm glad I can help even a little. Hope you're holding up okay
@@RTGame oh this reply section looks sweets cause it just a heartwarming message from you RT to this person
I have to say, I agree with most of these EXCEPT Ruby/Sapphire and X/Y.
With R/S, personally, I loved all the pokemon, the story, and I wasn't huge into post-game until recently for pokemon. But the thing that makes R/S high for me (high B, low A) is a VERY personal thing that I acknowledge makes me very biased towards it.
Ruby and Sapphire are the pokemon games that really got my older brother and me to bond. I always say Diamond and Pearl were MY first pokemon games, but before those, I would get to play my mother's copy of FR/LG and R/S. Pretty much I'd just fight random pokemon and trainers to help my mom grind while she was too busy with work or... ya know... being a mom. And before R/S, my brother didn't really want to do anything gaming-related with me. We have a big enough age gap where he would think that playing video games with his little brother was lame and dumb. When I started playing R/S, I got to understand pokemon enough that I could really talk about it with my brother. And have FUN talks about it at that. Ever since then, my brother and I have always shared a deep love of pokemon and constantly talk about it to this day. So familial bonding definitely bumps those games up for me.
I don't have any cute or fun stories about X/Y... I just loved em! I loved the region, the story (although I admit I don't remember any of it now), the pokemon, the blend of old and new pokemon.... and most of all... Mega Evolutions. God I hope Megas come back.... I loved that mechanic SO much. Also I personally had no struggles with the circle pad and the rollerblades... but that's very subjective!
Aw that's very sweet with Ruby and Sapphire. Thanks for sharing
Love this
Come on GF, give us Mega back, Gen 9 is in Spain and Kalos is France
27:00 Him putting my baby Piplup in S Tier instantly made my day! They're my favourite starter pokemon, and I will always use them if I have the option to
Piplup? More like trashlup
dad needs his respect
I will say, Dan. Ultra Sun and Moon have a better Pokémon experience than the former, especially in the terms of Nuzlockes. So many fights and events are changed for the better, and the same fights are also much harder, with random trainers now having Pokémon with perfect IVs, and some having better AI. The totem Pokémon are changed as well, and improved upon, making them a much more difficult experience, moreso than the former. The pacing is a little more solid, however its help pandering still exists, but its setting has been taken from the former, and definitely improved upon. It’s a good comparison to make sun/moon and Ultra Sun/Moon to Diamond/pearl and Platinum. There’s no reason to really ever play sun and moon again, when the Ultra games exist, and simply they are a better experience than the former. The Ultra games definitely boosts the Sun and Moon structure to a B from a c/c+.
i got SO excited when RT started talking about b&w and b&w2 bc they’re my absolute favorite pokémon games besides explorers of sky :) all his points he brought up were so spot on
This man won a Pokemon tournament once and decided to set the world on fire
i would love to see a "spinoff" game list, conquest, mystery dungeon, rumble, rangers, pinball, etc.
He would get cancelled ranking the mystery dungeon games...
Does he dislike the pmd series lol
i cant wait to see pokemon trozei in S tier
Bro if he shits on pmd I will find him
Best spinoff games are pokepark and pokepark 2 imo, they were just so fun to play as a kid and I would get 100% immersed in them and still love it to this day because of the nostalgia and how cute it is
Now that RT's finished Scarlet/Violet we need to know where he ranks that game.
Would probably be A if not for the performance. I think that takes it to maybe a low B high C for him. But that's just a guess since he seemed to really enjoy the game.
@@MsCerealCat mentioned in the Christmas Mario Kart stream it's a C and without the glitches it's an A
@@HazeEmry Ok
@@HazeEmry in other words, even at its best and worst it's still better than SwSh. Completely agree
Pokemon X was the first Pokemon game I ever played. Kalos is really unique as a region, I like it a lot. A lot of gen 6 pokémon are my favorites like Fennekin, Goodra and Aegislash. But it is a shame that it is so easy and forgetable. Makes you wonder if the reputation of Gen 5 at the moment was the reason XY turned the way it was.
XY were the first games with a fully orchestrated soundtrack, and it was an amazing one at that!
It also brought Pokemon into true 3D and added Mega Evolution (the only good battle gimmick) as well as the Fairy type and, as you said, some of the best new Pokemon in recent memory.
My only qualm is the lack of difficulty. I've played through the story multiple times and never had an actual challenge.
Also the story, though as you say it was coming off the back of B2W2 so it wouldn't have compared favorably anyways.
Oh I firmly believe that Gen 5s initial reception is what caused Pokemons problems today. Why would they change up the formula when Gen 4 was super formulaic and everybody loved it and when they did change the formula in Gen 5 everybody hated it?
There was a lot of good pokemon in XY but it got pushed to the side since the game focused on mega evolution and older pokemon
To this day my most.memorable playthrough of a pokemon game was in Pokemon Y because my brother and I traded our starters for Eevees and did our best to catch a minimum of pokemon, playing alongside each other and battling after each gym fight. Something about making it into an actual journey, him evolving his even into an Umbreon at the first chance he got and turning it into a curse/wish wall while I waited until nearly endgame to get a Glaceon and finally beating him in a 1 v 1 with snow cloak and blizzard, it was one of the few times I can say I've played these games alongside someone else jnstead of just playing, and it'll keep that game at the top of my list no matter how objectively other games are.
It was also my first Pokemon game! I havent replayed it in years, and yeah the story is eh but I really like the legendaries and starters ! Plus nostalgia is strong
Side note for Sword and Shield, while the DLC may make the game more fun, I should NOT have to pay an extra $30 to get the enjoyment from a game that should have been in the base game.
Good thing ya don't, base game's great
@@MaximumAddition I would argue otherwise but I'm glad you enjoyed it. Everyone has an opinion. Ill respect yours
100% and as someone who hasn't got nintendo online and the dlc. Sword and Shield itself is F or D tier. I love the Pokémon and music in this gen but overall the rest is... Bad.
@@micah0000 exactly! The music is banger, but everything besides that and the pokemon is a big waste of money and time to me
I never got Sword and Shield originally just bc I was petty and they didn't have my fav Crobat in the base game, but I'm still glad I chose to just watch a playthrough and spend the 60$ on other games. I agree that if the majority opinion is you need DLC to make your $60 game fun then that game sucks. The music is great though, great on a workout playlist!
I would keep Sword and Shield in F despite how good the dlc was. Honestly? It was pretty cool. Definitely gave you some fun things to do. I spent a good bit of time messing around in the dlc to build Pokemon and Pokemon teams. Aside from that, the dlc was still pretty bland and limited.
But even so the dlc is what the main game should have been from the start, and even then they need to add more to it just to make the game more than just decent. They made us pay 60$ for an unfinished, abhorrent base game and then had the gall make us pay another 30$ to just so we'd have a reason to play it. I personally refuse to endorse the game at all soley because of scummy business practices like that.
If I don't get a good game without dlc (unless the dlc is 100% free), then the game isn't worth buying. Buying it is directly supporting the creation of video games with minimal effort put into them, and I care too much about video games and the industry to let that slide.
Same reason SwSh are the first Pokemon games I completely passed on. (I was _going_ to pass on X and Y, but decided to just give X a try... and was baaadly disappointed. Pokemon Amie was so much more interesting than the game itself that I almost didn't beat it.)
Point being, the DLC being decent does not make up for the fact that the base game is bad and you shouldn't have to pay more to make it decent.
I agree with that sentiment. The fact that such a good DLC was sold separately is a sin and i would rate it lower if I could just because of that. Crown Tundra was an extremely good area and the fact it was price gated makes me vehemently upset.
But rt is rating based on the games themselves not the prices not once did he mention prices in this video
@@noahshad09 That's the thing: He should have. Prices matter. And S&S cost twice as much as the other games. Comparing a game to another game + DLC is like comparing one game to two games, which is obviously unfair.
@@noahshad09 Ok? That that doesn't change my point that gating any quality the game has behind an absurdly high paywall is stupid and scummy.
RT can rate it how he wants lol. If he enjoys the game more than me, then so be it. I'm just saying how I would rate this.
Ok ngl at the end of the Pokemon ranking I love how both the top and bottom tiers have a full starter typing, like either one of them could be in a playable side game
S tier is literally the starter for legends arceus i think
@@gregoryrichardson5491 Oshawatt is the water starter instead of Piplup, but otherwise yeah.
RT you're pushing your luck! TH-cam surely won't allow you to do something as abhorrent as *sharing your opinion!*
You better watch out, your video might just get taken down!
Bulbasaur's probably the best out of all the starters in terms of progression. The bulb blooming into a flower is a really neat way to signify its growth and no other starter has been able to convey that same sense of cohesion without being boring.
The actual Pokemon doesn't change that much though, just the flower
@@letsgetfluffy3138 ig thats true, but personally I feel like it was still able to change substantially without taking a complete 180.
cope
Are you really going to say that when the other options turn into a dragon and a fucking tank?
@@Slender_Man_186 yeah charizard and blastoise are cool, im just mentioning that venusaur is the most cohesive starter imo
Seeing you give the gen 5 games the recognition they deserve makes me so damn happy, it's my favorite gen. I still have physical copies of both Pokémon Black & White 2 and a physical copy of Black, I've replayed them multiple times and never get tired of it. I hope you'll maybe consider doing a nuzlocke or a playthrough for Pokémon Black/White or Black 2/White 2 in the future.
YES Gen 5 finally getting recognition just has already made my day so much better. Also RT DEFINITELY needs to do a nuzlocke or a playthrough on one of the unova games.
Honestly, I'd trade ANY other Pkm Gen for Gen 5. It's just the best one.
Cyndaquil is my favorite starter, and not for it’s design, it’s stats, or anything like that.
It’s because in every Mystery Dungeon game (excluding Gates to Infinity) I’ve gotten Cyndaquil in the personality quiz every time without fail. No guides, nothing. So he’s just a very special mon to me.
Did you know: The stats of Cyndaquil in Gold and Silver are EXACTLY the same of Charmander. This also applies to the evolutions
Kinda funny, because typhlosion is still better than charizard competitively
so while on the topics of tier lists, what would you say is the best mystery dungeon game
ive only played explorers of sky but that was only because (1) dialgas fight to the finish is one of my favorite songs, just ever (2) ive heard lots of good things about it, and in my opinion it holds up to what ive heard. the story in that game is fucking beautiful
@@Luingi It's Explorers of Sky. It's not even close.
RT paints a target on himself with this tierlist for the Poke-CIA
I understand all of your points except for the Sword and Shield DLC. If your game is trash without its DLC then those DLC should have been part of the base game. To act otherwise even for a list made for entertainment is to give way too much leeway to greedy companies. I mean, it was frigging thirty dollars and you could only play it by buying a boring sixty dollars game first! If you really think the Sword and Shield DLC is a completely different and much better experience than the base game then rank it separately.
Not to mention he put it on the same level as arceus.
I think he was rating it as a single 100$ game, and honestly, when you have a full time job 100$ isnt *that* much, I just dont have one of those right now.
Its hard to argue against it being B rank when you consider how much time streamers spend playing it together, its a fun multiplayer game for them.
@@Reece8u Except if we disregard price then game length, and thus postgame for the most part, doesn't matter either. Game 1 ran out of content? Play another one. Game length pretty much only adds to the efficiency of your purchase. Yet he valued postgame really high.
@@cresuna9271 You're arguing in my favor here man. Post-game *does* add to the game, but only on the condition that the price you pay matters. I also value postgame highly, which is mostly because i'm on a budget.
I'm saying RT's stance was wrong because he judged games on their post-game despite entirely disregarding the price.
@@cresuna9271 I guess what I said was a little hard to interpret. Let me reword it:
"Except if we disregard price: Game length and most postgame has to be disregarded as well. ..."
And yeah, if you found the game fun even for a 100$ game, then it's fair enough to rate it highly. But RT seemed to have just disregarded the price entirely, and directly compared it to other 40-60$ games, despite it being 100$.
angered me in the first minute. Good play, you really hit your mark
Survived through pokemon ranking, got triggered at 26:05
Honestly, the only takes I disagree with is that
1) I think that the DLC for Sword and Shield should have been rated separately from the main game due to the fact that they’re locked behind a paywall
2) Chicorita deserves more than an F
Regarding 1) technically he did, he said that the base game was an F and that the DLC bumped it up to B
I mean... doesn't change the fact chicorita's just a bad pokemon
@dozensofknives9104 weird. I had to put up decideye in the box and that takes a lot for me to do. I never had to baby Chikorita that hard or for so long because it could still support the team with its leech seed and its powders. Decideye though, from early Ula ula to poni. 10+ levels. Never could use him. Not for lack of trying. He was evenly leveled with the rest of the party so that wasn't the problem. He was just too damm slow and had too many weaknesses.
Despite Dhelmise's own stat spread, and same duel typing, it was somehow way more useful. The effective third STAB as an ability just made it better in every way.
"I've never heard anyone excited to use a Paras on their team"
Well Daniel, you've never met me. Paras is the best boy and I adore him! I was VERY excited to use one on my Kanto teams and anywhere Paras ends up being! Paras is the best bean!
Meanwhile paras’s life is suffering as the mushrooms slowly kill it and turn it into a zombie.
@@loftwingheropon2743 OHHHH now i finally get the name.
it's paras-ite.
I remember being super excited as a kid to finally find a Paras early enough I could justify using it, only to learn the hard way how dirty they did him in Gen 1. If the move pool was only better, I know I would have loved him as a solid back up to Bulbasaur.
Legends Arceus really made people fear the bug bean for sure XD Most aggressive and numerous pokemon for being such a small thing.
Arceus made me hate it
Goodness, the fact that he just goes so hard and so fast with his topics, looking so objectively at Pokemon..that takes guts to do nowadays, I respect it.
Also, 12:30 THE KALOS STARTERS SHOULD'VE HAD THEIR OWN MEGA EVOLUTIONS! *I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL!!!*
Edit: Oh wow, I didn't realize I had opened up such a big can of wurmple by saying this. Apperently 188 people agree with me tho so, I feel satisfied with it.
I mean, If you take into account the Anime and the Pokémon Sun and Moon Demo, Greninja kind of did... Sort of.
I mean, Ash-Greninja is cool, but only usable in Sun and Moon onwards, not in Gen 6. Definitely wish that all 3 did get Megas though. Definitely should have been how it went, as well as all the Gym Leaders and Elite 4 getting Megas.
Right? I find it so weird that they have such a bad track record of actually giving the starters of a region, the pokémon they know most people will definitely have, the ability to use the main gimmick of the games they're from
They did eventually give the Galar starters Gigantamax forms, but only in the DLC
@@calebperkins5050 Well..yeah, I guess? I dunno, I feel like Ash-Greninja was just it's own type of thing in the anime more than a legit mega form. I mean you only get to use it if you play what I assume is a non-canon demo of the game.
And I will die on the hill that mega-evolution set us down a path of poorly thought out, awfully balanced battle gimmicks that never should have been.
All it is digivolving from digimon, giving pokemon a temporary stat boost and possibly even type changing and awfully designed model because...reasons. All it did was power up competitive meta pokemon since the majority of mega evolutions went to competitive meta pokemon, and it set this precedent for Game Freak to try and 'spice up' battles with mechanics that simply don't work, aren't fun, and do nothing for balance, when all people have been asking for is direct control of the pokemon in battle, being able to have the pokemon run around, dodge, and attack like in the anime.
The one battle mechanic people have been begging for in mainline games has only appeared twice in the franchise; and it was both of the PokePark games on the Wii. A pair of side games had the battle mechanics people have wanted in the main games for years.
I respect the SWSH take, I also absolutely despise the main game and therefore did not buy the DLC because I didn't want to support it. The point Dan is forgetting is that you have to by another full price game to make SWSH enjoyable in the slightest. You should split up the main game and the DLC on rankings like these because they're two entirely separate entities.
The dlc itself I would give a B, but instead of it enhanceing sword and shield I feel like it's held back by sword and sheild
Agreed. I’ve heard the DLC is great, but I just can’t support something like this. It’s also why I didn’t buy BdSp
Objectively I can see how SWSH would be low-ranked, but I believe it’s be at least a D. Dynamax is dragged through the mud, but it’s not as bad as people say. It’s on par with Megas in both power and reason for existence (which there is none), but more restricted for better balance. To once again compliment the Crown Tundra (and beat down Kanto), there are lore implications that the Galarian legendary birds were discovered before the Kantonian ones.
Yeah, they should have been split up. Also, while I personally didn't buy the DLC because SwSh left such a bad taste in my mouth, I do want to defend the practice.
Two $15 DLC > a $60 "third game"
Tom C. Problem is savvy people wait and just buy the third game, whereas the DLC can only be bought after buying the original game.
Then again we haven’t had a proper 3rd game since freaking Platinum I think. Wow.
dan: you’re going to spend the majority of your time playing specifically in the post game
me, who immediately resets the game as soon as i beat the champion: i feel like we have very different priorities
It’s a shame that Charmander always gets dragged down with Charizard - while I still like Charizard he gets waaay too much special treatment (just like RT) said, but I adore Charmander’s design and Charmander was the Pokémon that actually got me into the franchise when someone gave me my first Pokémon card ever (base set Charmander)
Its mad how the Middle Evolutions, especially Charmeleon are so Underrated. Yet its between one of the best known starters and the most insanely overrated Gen 1 pokemon.
@@choobs8511 Agreed. My favorite starter line, Oshawott, has the peak of its design in Dewott, its second stage
I want to like Charizard, as Charmander was my very first Pokemon... but the love for Charizard has to either stem from nostalgia, design, or competitive qualities. Every new Charizard gimmick dilutes the nostalgia. And if you SHOULD like the new design, you will get to enjoy it for a single generation before it gets tossed to the side for some new gimmick. Putting the spotlight on the same starter over and over again is just tiring.
@@Mama-Luigi I never said Samurott was a bad design, I just think it could have flowed a bit better from Dewott.
@@Mama-Luigi Apologies, I've spent too much time on the reddit where people complain about Incinaroar's design and jumped the gun when you said it made you sad.
Charizard having its own tier is the most charizard thing I've ever seen lmao. And what a gigachad move to put it at the bottom.
Totally agree too. Charizard is not cool enough to justify GameFreaks extreme favouritism and shoving it down our throats, especially in gen 6.
Honestly, it really is a shame. All these opportunities to give niche pokemon a space in the spotlight and you put the most well liked pokemon there instead. Thats like running a charity to support the wealthy.
I agree. I like Charizard but it is sooo over used it’s ridiculous.
"2 megas lmao"
charizard sucks ass like it’s an orange lizard with wings and nothing else
Yep it really is overused,but i think putting him in trash tier just cause he is overused is a bit biased
The hoenn region gets so much flak for the water, which honestly i find so unfair. The region has so much variety, especially compared to places like kanto or johto, which I would argue are entire regions that take place on "a road near the woods", except for when they sometimes go into said woods.
I thought the climbing waterfalls and going underwater were cool! I am also someone who lives in the tropics though, maybe it wasn't as relatable for some other players but I'll always be soft on Hoenn as a region myself for it.
@@minticedtea as someone who lives in the frozen north and for most of my childhood thought 50m wide rivers where some sort of herculean trial from the gods really loved the underwater parts, its like the most iconic part of the games for me (except for stupid child me failing over and over again with the bike "puzzle" in rayquaza's tower) and its the only pokemon game where i actually wanted to explore any water at all, in every game before and since i just optimise my pathings to get out of the water as fast as possible because its just more bland and worse blue colored grass imo
kanto and johto are ass compared to hoenn. sure lots of water but there’s so much variety like the route by the weather institute with the tall grass & invisible keckleons was so cool for its time. town design was top tier too
I'm kind of jealous that everyone else loves their first starter. I picked Chimchar in Diamond because I found him the cutest then he just sort of got bigger and had a weird outfit with his evolutions whereas the other two starters looked badass in their final evolutions. I tossed him in storage as soon as I found a Ponyta (which is a really boring pokemon but at least didn't anger me) and never looked back.
PS Screw gen 4's lack of fire types.
I have the same experience but I saw turtwig as the cutest. I don't like torterra that much while I love infernape's design
I always toss starters in the box, but d/p was the first time I released a starter, they were all so boring lol.
@@gallo123 Hella opposite for me. I despise infernape but adore torterra.
This is the best tier list video I've seen on youtube bc instead of it being a long drawn out decision of placing stuff, it's fast paced, Dan explaining where he places stuff while chat loses their mind in the background
He's also absolutely right about everything. (Well I'd put Arceus a tier higher but that's just because I had a lot of fun playing it, he makes good points)
In Japanese it's even called "ARSE-eus". They changed it when the Japanese team realized it was a bad word but they probably had all the voice acting done for the games/tv shows already 😆
I live in Japan now and I'm not gonna start calling it "Ar-KEY-us" because I already have enough Japanese pokemon names to memorize 💀💀
Also, I taught my Japanese roommate the Brock meme calling onigiri "jelly donuts" and now she calls them jelly donuts 😂😂😂
Do you call cast iron frying pans drying pans as well?
@@RaithSienar it took me a second to get that one, but kudos.
It's called arse-use (a-reu-sse-u-sse) in korean as well. I've never seen anyone pronounce it arkeus
@@placeholdername8529 they pronounced it like that when announcing Pokemon Legends Arceus
arceus’ arse
I feel like judging a game off post game content is very fair, but judging Sword & Shield on DLC which you have to pay ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR isn't fair to the other games. I consider DLC very separate from a game, yeah they're connected by the fact that the DLC is FOR that game but if the only real positive you can find is DLC you have to pay extra money for the game fuckin sucks
This is completely true.
If I buy Sword/Shield I shouldn't be getting a completely different experience then what the rating provided.
It is completely different experiences.
I think DLC is good for the series.
$30 for both DLC > $60 for a "third game"
People are hating on the DLC just because it's called DLC, but it's a marked improvement
Tom C. that only applies to people who buy both the original and third game though. Otherwise it’s $60+$30 being compared to a 3rd game purchase of just $60
@@emblemblade9245 Well if you were going to wait for the 3rd game, then you can wait for the base game go on sale. The same month the final DLC came out, the base game was on sale for $40 (probably a promotion; can't find it at that price anymore)
So that's still $70 for a game+DLC that gave you far more added content than, say, Platinum
Edit: And holy crap, Platinum came out TWO YEARS after Diamond and Pearl
@@tomc.5704 Pokemon games were $40... it was still cheaper to buy 2 old gen games than gen 8 with DLC.... and YOU GOT 2 SEPARATE GAMES
"It's your poor sense of taste, my man" Absolute SAVAGE
“They didn’t even try with that one. It’s a seal… Called Seal.”
That made me laugh so hard
Um, actually it's called Seel. Please do your research before talking about things you don't know. snort*
@@Zillionman2010 you forgot this 🤓emoji lol
Wait, wasn't the seal Pokémon called Spheal?
@@wessltov spheal is the round blue one, seel is the white one with the wee horn
@@chevronm.1019 Ah right, good ol' sphere + seal
Now I’m hoping that when Scarlet/Violet comes out, they have a mosaic/painting of Charizard somewhere in the game.
Also, USUM doesn’t have Charizard featured at all in it, so I think you should try it out. (Mantine surfing was awesome)
Fly pokemon.
Other than the fly pokemon, he has no features
USUM is honestly one of the best games IMO.
@@Her_Imperious_Condescension PREACH!
What? Yes he is.
are...you being satirical????
Sun Moon was my first pokemo game, so maybe im biased, But outside of the rival, and others stopping you a lot its actually super cool!
Walking around and going actually shopping in the store is super fun.
Id love to see Alola in a arceus like style where everything is way more open world.
Yes, sun and moon were my first too and I loved it so much, I liked the pacing and the setting so much! Plus Rowlet is so cute! But I feel like I recognize my nostalgia factors in and I haven't played over half the other Pokemon games here so idk how much I'd like it if I'd played more than 4 Pokemon games.
And yes, if they ever made an Arceus style Alola that would be so amazing
Oddly enough, despite enjoying the series for years, it was also my first game. I love a good story, I can turn and look at my full bookshelves from my computer and there was very little in the game to interest me in Sun and Moons story. I loved the idea, I loved the setting and regional variants were great. . .of course I never went back and finished Sun and Moon.
I'm a longtime player who's been around since gen4, Sun/Moon are actually some of my favorites! The characters are really fun and I found Hau really endearing, a lot of people are annoyed at the "hand holding" but when you consider your character just moved to the region, he really does feel like a new friend showing you around and caring about you. It's so cute
It is pathetically easy
Gen 7 will always hold a special place in my heart. Sun and Moon was the first time I got to follow from it's announcement to release. I also was obsessed with the movie Lilo and Stitch when I was a kid, to the point where I wanted to go to Hawaii more than anything, so alola reminded me a bit of that time during my childhood too. I also say it has the second best story behind Black and White, enjoyable characters, and I liked that they changed the gym formula.
“Mewtwo has committed several war crimes at this point”
Fair. Very fair. He has kidnapped people, for one. He tried to steal Pokémon, which is most likely a big crime in the Pokémon universe, and I believe it has also terrorized people on multiple occasions. And if we are also counting the manga, it tried to murder people at least twice
I dont agree with every placement, but I respect most of your reasons. The only one I found odd was your claim the roller skates were 'uncontrollable' in XY- I've never had an issue with that myself
I hated the roller skates with a passion. The fact you had no choice to take them off was awful.
I like roller skates, but sneaking through grass was a better design decision,especially if the bike is going to replace it anyways
"Feraligatr is a worse Samurott." I very reluctantly agree, though I personally dig the vibe of the whole Totodile line more.
I agree totodile line has more personality however I like the shell swords from oshawott line
@@harryh4h720 I would have liked the shell swords a lot more if I didn't realize they were swords until years after their debut :P
Literally false. Feraligatr is a waaaay better looking Pokémon than Samurott. It also carries through the entirety of its generation. Like legit, I used only totodile the entire game and only fainted to Whitney’s miltank. Severely underrated.
@@stoopidapples1596 dewott is my favorite starter middle stage and croconaw is one of my least tbh. also yeah pokemon games for the most part arent _that_ hard w/ just your starter
@@sleepycharm8639 dewott is better than both samurott and oshawott tbf. it's like one of the very few genuinely good middle evolutions.
I was really happy when Rowlet was put in first. He was my first ever and I saw everyone only ever talking about incineroar at the time. I love decidueye even though I didn’t know how to pronounce his name at first.
"Ruby and Sapphire is an F"
You fuckin-
"Black and White 2 is S"
-Genius
A person's first Pokémon *really* does seem to stick with them. Squirtle was my first, and I've still got a soft spot for Blastoise to this day, despite Swampert being my general favorite starter.
not me my first pokemon is cyndaquil and i dont like typlosion
@@slyfurgospel2749 to be fair typhlosion got the short stick in the 3d games he looks awful
@@limerumpus3589 nah i think its because i find the newer starter much cooler.
“i’m afraid you’ve committed crimes of youtube, such as:”
*having an opinion*
This was one of the most pure honest and harshest opinions I've seen and I loved every second of it, I think ruby is my favorite of the franchise for nostalgia, but yeah it's an underwhelming game
love how charizard wasn't in it, but the literal first major event is a special Charizard dragon tera raid
thats slightly better tbh. Makes it limited time, soughta fun, etc. Charizard was getting added with perfect IV's and EV's from other peoples games once pokemon home support is added, so I don't think its ludicrous. Not only that but Charizard isnt exactly thrown in your face like the other games he mentioned (SwSh, XY, etc.).
I’m living for these controversial opinions, I agreed with almost everything you said. *almost* everything lol
same. tepig is my favorite lil guy and i will not stand for this slander.
@@StarChargerStudios For me, Gen 5 has the best starter selection. I genuienly cannot choode between the 3 because all 3 are amazing.
@@Randus1058 based take
@@Randus1058 for black/white 2 snivy is the worst choice for the early game because it can't do crap against the 2nd or 3rd gym
@@daaaaaaanny But Serperior is so cool, and the fact it learns leaf blade early is great. In fact, all of the gen 5 starters learn great moves early. Flame charge, razor shell and leaf blade are an improvement from ember, water gun and razor leaf by a massive margin.
Giving Sw&Sh a B is very generous, especially given how expensive it is. The main game barely holds together and is too short for its price tag, the DLCs are mediocre and too short for their price tags, it completely removes a lot of Pokemon for basically no reason, dynamaxing is the worst super-charge gimmick, and the plot is hot garbage. The post-game is good, the new Pokemon are great, but it's not up to Gamefreak's usual, let alone above average. I'd give it a D at most.
I can't even bring myself to finish sword, its a boring slog in my opinion
Why would they even remove half the dex only to charge half the base game's price to put them back in , it's so stupid
What the hell do you mean!? You get way more than you paid for the dlc, and they rise far above mediocre.
This is probably the most well thought out tier list I have ever seen. Whether you agree or not, you have to admit he thought this through and knows a lot about the games.
That opening to the video is legendary. The menacing music and also:
I am going to express an opinion on the Internet. *And you can't stop me.*
I love how RT uses logic, and not nostalgia to rank all the Pokemon games. And I agree that the first few generations of Pokemon games are severely overrated and do not match up with later titles.
I agree with you but Emerald stands a cut above others. It is certainly better than Gold, Silver and Crystal
@@kartiksaraf4676 I'm biased towards Pokemon Emerald and Hoenn in general so i'll agree to that
Except not really because if he had used logic instead of nostalgia, HGSS would have been a lot lower than they actually are. :/ They are fraught with issues that he didn't even touch on, many of which were issues he had with *other games* that he ranked lower.
I respect and understand were RT is coming from, but It's not nostalgia to rank it higher than f tier. It's like say fire is f tier because LED bulbs exist. They had to come up with R/B/Y to make great games like B2/W2
@@otterlylost2029 The level curve, the horrible selection of pokemon
this stream was great, the editing always makes it feel fresh :)
i didn’t think my opinions about starters were that strong till i could feel the amount of stress you were giving me with leaving mudkip and popplio as the few last ones you ranked, they’re my favorites but i can accept the rankings you gave them haha
Thank you.
I was sweating so bad seeing Mudkip and Rowlet being left.
(I also have a soft spot for Popplio)
I love Oshawott simply for the character development it got in Pokepark 2 and the anime, it's just the most smug yet silly little boi
Personally I find that dicidueye and its regional forms are the peak of what regional forms: normal forms should be. Regional forms need to have a different enough silloughet and vibe so they are recodnizable from each other. And personally I find the other starter regional forms to be really bad even though they are good and somewhat better than the OG designs. They just don’t feel diffrent enough. Where as I feel OG dicidue way preferable, the regional form just feels like it’s the best of them.
Thanks for reading.
Shame you haven't played Ultra Sun and Moon. It reeeeally improves on the original. Changes the story, adds new characters and content, cuts down on the cut scenes, makes it harder AND adds some post game content. One of the few games where it seemed like fans criticism was listened to and used to improve the game. It's definitely worth a play in my opinion.
I agree with most of these honestly. I don't think that it's fair to rank SwSh based on dlc though. The original game didn't have it and you have to pay for basically a whole new game, so I feel like they should be ranked separately, or count less towards its score.
Guess I have to go finish BW2 now. Funny, I didn't play it because I thought it was just a Remake of BW and wouldn't have much new content, which is the reason so many people skipped USUM. Hahaha.
The Ultra Necrozma fight alone raises it up a tier from regular sun/moon in my eyes. Although I do wish it had kept some of sun/moons story elements and cleverly incorporated them into a more fleshed out version, or made it a sequel, instead of just redoing sun and moon with a story that completely cuts out lots of the lusamine questline.
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi My number one criticism of USUM is what they did to Lusamine. My number two is the sheer amount of wasted potential in the Ultra Megalopolis plotline. I love the blue people and I love Necrozma and I just wish there was more to them.
@@gyppygirl2021 Honestly, I'll take the change to Lusamine if it means not having them make Lillie disappear off to Kanto. That was kinda my issue with the base games is never hearing from her again post game.
@@gyppygirl2021 yep exactly. Massive otherdimensional city? Nah it's just a hallway.
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi It makes sense when you go there to fight Ultra Necrozma because that's your goal - you don't have time to explore, you have to save the world. When you revisit it in postgame? No excuse.
I love that your tier list actually uses the whole range of tiers (bonus points for the normal distribution). Too many apologists out there that are afraid to put things in F tier.
"...they didn't even try with that one, it's a seal named seal"
To be honest, I would like to see a ranking of every pokémon.
Fun Fact: He did a Pokémon tierlist but it's contains so many Pokemon's that he just gave up due to time constraints
@@Vortical_IV I know, I say this because he didn't finish it.
Alolan raichu definitely needs to be S+ tier for one simple reason: the sprite RT used here made it look like it's constantly T-posing in mid-air.
But yeah, I agree. I would absolutely love a ranking of every pokemon too.
@@RobinRhombus2 ah I though you didn't know that
Oh well I guess it is just for those who doesnt know about this
8:00 I have actually never heard anyone bring up this argument for Unova’s regional dex, but it makes so much sense if you think about it. It was the first time since Gen 1 where you are forced to make a completely new team on your first play through, and you get to discover 151 brand new Pokemon.
Okay the dexit problem is that the pokemon were literally not programmed into the game in ruby and sapphire all pokemon to that point are programmed into the game and usable, that was the problem in my eyes.
Exactly!!! We just want to transfer our old Pokémon in the post game and Sun and Moon already cleared up on what to do when there is so much Pokémon in a dex for the shiny charm... You get the charm when you catch all of the regional pokemon!!! Pokémon that are not found in game can still be transferred in perfectly.
The Japanese title for Pokemon Legends: Arceus reads "Arceus" as "A - Ru - Se - U - Su", so RT's pronunciation is correct.
Something I noticed when replaying BW is how bad the pacing actually was. To name one of the issues, you legitimately get stopped by what would be cutscene events in modern games on every route except the optional one to the right of nimbasa city. I think the only reason people don't notice it has the same issues as SuMo is because it's in 2D and you can more easily mash A to skip the text.
the issue is way worse than sumo though bc you dont have to wait for the camera while youre talking to people
oops typo
in sumo not than sumo
well, to be fair, the devs did try to break up the story pacing by adding optional stuff to do. like the subway, the stadiums, optional caves and a couple optional routes.
and then its questionable whether to include it, but there was also the entralink and dream world. which... are things dependent on if you have friends or were playing the game while the service existed.
I dont think I ever noticed the pacing problem as a kid because i spent so much time doing other stuff. Like I genuinely spent a couple hours on most of the side material like the musicals. I never did that in any of the other game except for sword and shield where I also never noticed the pacing until it was pointed out.
Guarantee when they remake black and white they’ll complain about it
I was expecting to be offended by Sun and Moon since it’s my favorite but the points you made are actually SO true the pacing was horrific (Also, Ultra sun/moon was much better and had much more post game content- like a LOT more) this list i actually totally agree with 😱
I actually hated USUM. The whole time I was playing it I was like, man I wish I was playing SM instead. I thought the post game sucked and hated the changes to Lillie's story a lot. SM is probably my second favourite mainline game though.
I sold you Pokemon Shield in Brighton GAME. I hope you remember me.
o h n o
21:26 If you Google the pronunciation of Arceus, it lists the American pronunciation as aar-see-uhs, but it lists the British pronunciation as aa-kee-uhs.
RT proving he fears no man or god with this one. A true intellectual appreciating Gen 5 for the fantastic set of games that it is!
As for USUM you didn't really miss much - the changes to the story made the plot weaker than Sun and Moon in my personal opinion but the quality of life changes were fantastic, so it's a really good base of operations for breeding, preparing competitive Pokemon and the suchlike. It was great at the time, but with competitive moving to the switch, people going back to Gen 7 now for a one-and-done playthrough experience are probably better playing Sun or Moon because of the story.
...and as much as it hurts to admit I will accept that my love of the Gen 3 games, console and all, are very much fuelled by nostalgia. Can't argue there! Great takes even for the ones where I didn't actually agree with you.
The thing that grates me for USUM was the disappointment with the lack of content in the worlds beyond the Ultra Wormholes. I found the Ultra Recon Squad and their home interesting, but Megalopolis boils down to being a hallway towards Ultra Necrozma. I think if they spiced up the different worlds you can venture to past the Wormholes, it would have been so much better. It was a wasted opportunity, sadly.
I agree almost entirely with you EXCEPT for your take on Colosseum. The fact that the game is entirely double battles makes it feel like a traditional Pokémon game but with a unique spin and allows for much more complex strategy. Its also quite difficult due to the limited selection of Pokémon.
Also, for alolan muk in particular, I'd say the really neat looking animations he gets in-game should boost him higher on that alone. Alolan muk is irridescent and its so pretty lol
muk is just as creative as ekans the thing it's based on irl reversed. they just changed a letter to make it somewhat family friendly.
I was agreeing with the Pokémon games list and then his starter tier list gave me terminal cancer