I've watched a bunch of Engine Masters on TH-cam and found it fascinating. I found Roadkill and Roadworthy rescues while staying at a hotel with the wife. There wasn't anything else on TV, so we watched several episodes. My wife now feels less worried when we take a trip in our classic car, as they're in better condition that what they were running. I appreciate their efforts, and like you, wish them much success in their future endevours.
I think what's missed in these discussions is that when it was TH-cam it was lean and clean. Then each step up added production and cost and a demand for a bigger and bigger return. In the end, creator driven content is content for the viewer, not the investor. I'm glad to see it turn the right direction again.
As for cable shows, they were impacted a lot by social media and TH-cam. What's also depressing is the lot of competition contest shows, on every network. With Roadkill and others alike, they never argued, screamed and went on drama tantrums, just clean fun. No matter what they will be missed. The joy of just turning on the tv, tuning in and sitting back. TH-cam is great but mind you, because of accessibility, I tend to wander too often.
I agree that other shows came along after roadkill that used the same profile cleetus McFarland being one of the major ones that's made a great success of it
When the magazines went out of business a few years ago only you and frieburger did videos about it. Thanks for this vid. PS Hot Rod magazine is only 4 issues a year now.
That's all changed now though, Physical Magazine Subscription is up 37% over the last 3 years, the ENTIRE problem with Magazines is they got too expensive and when the economy hit the skids people could no longer to pay fir luxuries like physical magazines at $12 a month for every magazine.
Do you remember Shadetree Mechanic with Dave Bowman and Sam Memmolo? These guys really started it all I believe. I used to watch them every week. Every show has its run. Freiburger and crew will hopefully do MUCH better on their own. We'll all be watching, along side Autorestomod and MM
I agree it's about the money. It's also due to mismanagement at an executive level. This happens all the time. I worked for several major corporation from Kodak, to Frontier Communications, Constellation Brands to Amazon then Aerospace. All of these corporation had executive making poor decisions in an effort to please share holders and corporate boards and let's not forget Government regulation requirements! This results in huge financial losses as you mentioned! The majority of the executives at Warner and Discovery more than likely did not get the passion we have for the automobile!
You should know that Joe Zolper from Garage Squad just posted a video about this same topic. His channel is his name. Thank goodness we've gotten you and Joe on the tube now though!
Frieberger did one also and they both said the pretty much the same thing, WBD is shutting the channel down using "Death by re-run: because they don't want to be in the Automotive business, they did the samething to WCW (World Championship Wrestling) in 2001 after they bought out Ted Turner, WCW had the #1 and #3 shows on Turner Broadcasting and they sold it for less than 10% of what it was worth because they simply didn't want to be in the wrestling business, it's different here.... The Suit at WBD don't wanna be in the Automotive business.
I watched Joe's Short piece on it and he was pretty spot-on with his ideas. I've always liked Joe he's a pretty fun guy, at least what I've seen of him on the shows
TH-cam is very restrictive, though. Content creators are slowly making their way to places like Rumble, where the platform doesn't punish people for wrong think.
Naa totally like what so many of what shows are going through. Buy competition and cancel new production and live off the catalogue. You can bet they have a no compete till existing contract is up
Way to love on all of the people involved with these shows. What a blessing to be able to start a new journey. In 2020 i bought a 66 F100. Your show, as well as theirs, have been a gateway to a new hobby for me. Thank you for being a positive example 🎉
All of the mentioned shows were some of my favorites on tv in general, with Engine Masters being my overall favorite. I really looked forward to new episodes of all of these shows, and I will miss any of them that don't continue online.
I've worked in the movie and TV industry for over 20 years. When the streaming services took off about 10 years ago, the industry exploded with everybody trying to make content. People got greedy and it got too big. Now it's collapsing on itself. It's all about the money to the people at the top. The industry moved across the country trying to find the cheapest place to make films and TV shows. Now they've slowed down productions and are not filming so much. The big movies that used to get filmed in Hollywood, then Atlanta, are now being filmed in England. Why? Because it's cheaper. The Roadkill guys were just caught in the middle. They had a good run, and I'm glad I got to see it
I agree with 90% of what you said, The thing you missed is WBD bought Motortrend tv in order to shut it down. They didn't want to be in "Automotive tv" business, they have a history of doing it, they did the same thing to WCW (World Championship Wrestling) when they bought it along with TBS, TN, TCM and all the other Turner Cable Properties. WCW Monday Nitro was BY FAR the #1 viewed show on Turner networks, WCW Thursday Night was #3 yet they took it off t.v. and sold the company, Why? because they didn't want to be in the Wrestling business, They are doing the samething here with Motortrend TV, they are shutting it down using "death by reruns", After the spring season there are no new shows coming out on the channel because they don't want to be in "car business", and they are using "it's not profitable" excuse but I absolutely REFUSE to believe that, There's no way it's losing money, It's making money it's probally that it isn;t making as much as they feel it should.
I was a roadkill nutcase for the for a long time. I was obsessed in highschool and would wait until the night the new one would come out. I haven’t seen a single new episode in probably 4 years. It lost what made it fun to watch. Engine masters was fantastic and In my opinion the best show that got canned because of this. Frieburger and Finnegan will do fine with out it.
What I love about what Finnegan and Freiburger did was that they brought young people into the hobby that likely would not have been involved when the show was on TH-cam
Its not a loss to the community. They will still be a huge part of this hobby and will still be putting out tons of fantastic content. Hopefully, the other employees/ hosts will land on their feet and get the support they deserve
Honestly the two of them need to go and do exactly what they were doing on TH-cam where they are in complete control of what happens. While The Grand Tour that was done by Clarkson May and Hammond was run by the corporate shills it was still the same thing as Top Gear only different.
Toyota and Ford think the way forward will be internal combustion engines on hydrogen. I don't know what message you are referencing but I don't think we are going to see some sort of end for internal combustion. People might want it but we are probably a century away from that happening. A better technology, a new element on the periodic table is needed. We just ain't there yet
Your suggestions are exactly what I mentioned to Freiburger on his channel. Just form a production company and stay on TH-cam. Even Dave Kindig got caught up in this. At least he has his shop!
Motor trend 2 largest sponsors were Dodge and Autozone, Dodge killed their v8 production and challenger/chargers. Autozone announced, days before MT, that they're closing 700 stores due to slumping sales.
Joe Zolper from Garage Squad has his own channel and goes off on what's going on and why. And yes, it's primarily executives and what they want to put the network's money into.
Everyone could tell Roadkill was real, unscripted. We could relate because they were just 2 gear heads going on adventures and being hooligans routinely. Everyone is tire of all this reality TV "We're gonna lose the shop" BS and Roadkill was a breath of fresh air because it looked great but wasn't over produced. Plus there was just a wholesome friendship between Mike and Dave, and everyone else involved.
Jeff I believe what’s is happening to Motortrend TV & alike is much what is happening to our media and alike. Personally I watch very little “TV” or cable but more so streaming services, TH-cam & Rumble. I follow a number of shows including Autorestomod, Uncle Tony’s Garage, Kiwi’s Classic, Vice grip, Finnegan’s Garage & more. I truly believe the corporate model is dying, look at our past elections and where many got their information to make decisions such as Joe Rogan, Tim Pool, Matt Tiebe, Glenn Greenwald and more. Cable news outlets such as CNN or MSNBC are crashing and appear to soon be sold off. I personally I’m excited by these changes and see huge opportunities for shows such as yours and, more so, the hobby of classic cars, trucks & alike. The new generation is online and TV or such are in fact, in my view, dying breads. For you and all others who produce these videos & stream them I see real growth. Change is much like a curve in the road, just turn the wheel and follow through accelerating on the way out.
You so true for what you say. If roadkill didn’t exist on TH-cam, I personally wouldn’t have the kick to start the project I am working on, on summer day. Because back in the day TH-cam was “real” when Tv show was … tv show (not so real), it shows that sort of thing was possible in real life. (Not from US by the way, I have an European point of view on this subject. So like some say: “don’t be sad it’s ending, be happy it’s ever happens “ (My 65 mustang coupe will run one day, it will !!! (lol)) 👍
Went the same way as the SPEED channel and Steve Magantes Junkyard Gold, what a shame... we have to band together and keep this hobby alive, dont get it right, just get it running yall....
Since discovery took over they just made it harder and harder for anyone outside the US to watch so obviously the viewers just got annoyed and left. And when it moved to max even people in tbe US couldn't watch so low views due to their own incompetence and money is probably what killed it
If you recall discovery was original home of the biker and monster garage. I kinda expected it when it when discovery took them In my opinion i think they have a no competition order till the new shows air Also remember hoonigan production is still out there
I think on the whole, you're going to see less and less automotive content on TV networks because it costs a lot of money for production. Plus, less and less of the people in Hollywood understand automobiles. They really understand things like bachelorettes bachelor's and people yelling at each other
While I agree with Joe I don't know that he actually has any inside facts other than his suppositions. But Joe basically came to the same conclusion that I did it really boils down to It's All About the Money
Another biggie is Discovery basically turning their back to the Street Outlaws franchise. No new programming for over a year now but Discovery hasn't released a statement. The drivers all swear they don't what the future holds. Of course there could be a hush clause in their contracts.
Believe me there are hush clauses as well. I've been in that boat on the print side of things when I was the editor for Mustang and Ford magazine and got let go. Fortunately I was in Florida which was a right to work state and I didn't have to worry about them coming after me if I went to work for another magazine.
yessir I remember when you were the editor of Mustangs and Fords. You probably lived in Lakeland. It seemed like Lakeland was the center of the Mustang hobby back then? I was a member of the Mustang Club of Tampa for many years before I retired and moved to the North Georgia Mountains. I bet we have a lot of mutual friends like Mark Houlihan. Plus Merve and Pat recently retired. Enjoy the show@@AutoRestoMod
I think they should have stayed on TH-cam instead of the pay wall route that limited the audience because motor trend wasn't available every ware especially outside of the us and these days a show needs all the audience they can get roadkill wasn't the weak link here it's discovery/warner that dropped the ball.
Honestly, it's not the first ball that Discovery has dropped. Warner Discovery lost the NBA contract, and that cost them a pretty penny. Remember, these cats lost 10 billion dollars. Roadkill at all was just one of the small Band-Aids that they put on the gunshot wound.
The best way to understand what happened is to look at MotorTrend as a whole. EVERYTHING was canceled, except for a handful of shows they are contractually obligated to continue. Its basically a dead channel.
@@AutoRestoMod Well we are in an era in which people do not really read much beyond twitter-length micro posts, so magazines are a thing of the past by this point. I don't say this happily, as an author, but that's just the world we live in, for now.
It was a show about hooning cars. It was part of the Motor Trend TV network. And I think it's so its greatest success when it was actually just on TH-cam.
The beginning roadkill was good, the later shows were more like advertising, roadkill garage was good, ultimately it became advertising. The rest of the motortrend shows weren't good, I loved dirt everyday. Your show is far more informative. So in my opinion far superior. TH-cam is where my entertainment comes from. Stacey David's gearz is the advertising and informative show that sticks around, he even realized youtube is where it's at
They killed of a lot of revinew just by refusing to deal with EU privacy policy and flat out refused and cancelled all subscritions from the EU. Making it impossible for people in the EU region to watch or pay for motortrend programs.
Sponsors are hard to co.e buy at the level MT TV was operating at there were heaps of mouths to feed at Motortrend Studios. The rates go up accordingly.
I'll tell you that the advertisers actually chased the most number of viewers. 90% of them don't give a crap about the content they just want the numbers. You can have a show that is a high-quality show that does a great job, but if it doesn't have the numbers, the advertisers will stay away and droves
There's a lot of people who enjoy the type of content they do and hopefully someone with a brain will pick them back up and I'm sure they will do a lot more of this stuff on Facebook.
I for one absolutly refuse to use a streaming service. Our bill is already over 100 per month for 200 channels i dont even watch. As for freiburger and crew. I will be watching on uTube. Moter trend will be gone and thats to bad. By
I think a lot of the people in Los Angeles have absolutely no idea what to do with car culture. It is why you see so many of these kind of shows that do so well on TH-cam falling apart after they get off of TH-cam
this is mostly WB/Discovery's fault. I have heard rumblings from people that used to work for Discovery. originally Discover used to be about scientific stuff like animals eating other animals, then MythBusters and Dirty Jobs came along, and then it just became more scripted reality tv series, like Fast and Loud, Misfit Garage, the current street outlaws thing. got to have all the fake drama to keep people coming back. and roadkill doesn't have that kind of drama. nor is that kind of drama needed in a shows like RoadKill. so, when WB told Discovery to cut the budget, they kill everything that was not outlaw street racing. To be honest i saw the writing on the wall as soon as Motor Trend was sold to Discovery. they are not exactly known for being a great place to work from what i have heard. its part of the reason Arron left Fast and Loud. the filming schedule with grinding them down and they just could not turn out a quality product in the time requirements, I heard the same thing about American Choppers. 17 years ago, i worked for a company that did a corporate bike with them and Discovery made if hell to even work with them and the time frame for filming and everything. it was 100% true. the bike itself was beautiful, but it was nonfunctional. the electrical was garbage, there were a half a lot of bad grounds, where they just attached the ground wire to the painted frame, so thing worked intermittently. also with the huge front tire, it was unrideable in anything like a strait line. so when Disco looks at something like Roadkill they have no idea what to do with it, so they killed it.
I think roadkill and the other shows were just easy targets for discovery. At this point I believe they are just looking for the most amount of money that they can cut out of anything. 10 billion will make you start looking for wholesale cuts.
Once again we're talking about what the corporation wanted to do. Freiburger in Finnegan were just hosts on the show they had no real control over the destiny of roadkill or any of the other shows Motor Trend TV work with
Well Hoovie said MT gave him a million dollars roughly to produce a season of his show total cost involved. So do the math across 5-7 shows. and just on the MT side and nothing else. You can see where the network could get 41 billion in debt pretty easily across the board.
What about the shows that anen't so good on MT? What's up with them? We are not hearing about them.... Roadkill made MT!! I will follow Roadkill where ever they go!! F MT!!
Sadly, for most people, the only place Roadkill is going is away. I am not sure that Motor Trend will let go of roadkill for David Freiburger to continue on TH-cam. They just shut everything down.
But you're so sexy when you put on your tin foil hat.😆 Well spoken. You know when one door closes another opens. A lot of those guys are going to be making those steps, best of luck to all of them. And thank you for your time and effort you make week in and week out.
The big problem they have is that the size of the studio that was producing it was pretty big and not able to produce a ton of shows, and thus, you go into re-run hell.
Accountants are probably drawing the line on what stays and what goes. If you want to find the problems follow the money. No organizations or affiliated groups have any effect on big business. Foolish to look underlying causes
Mainstream TV is dying. The new model will be streaming of some sort over the internet.Only the big guys will be really in it. The big guys are asset managers who hold stock which they wish to go up in value to attract new investors such as superannuation funds. To improve the bottom line and hike the share price you trim costs to the bone by screwing everyone and use the existing paid for episodes, then you look for the next bunnies to focus the gun-sight on.
Both of them need to take a page out of cleetus and branch out on their own to create their own media brand and not be employees anymore for the corp woke people to take it away from them. the corp people never get shows like this and destroy everything they touch and can never see the big picture or can change fast enough with times this shows in the magazines and media they produce. What sucks is that they don't own any of the tv rights to the show they created or had the foresight of how big this would have come.
Maybe, probably, but what really killed them was the fact that there were/are other shows that were/are doing very much the same thing on TH-cam, Cletus McFarland for one. While it is all about the money, peversly, car folks just don't want to pay the money for the shows LOL. And there are less and less sponsors available for shows like roadkill or any of us.
It isn't all about the money. If a show is self supported then that means it makes money to cover the cost. Why cancel a money maker unless you're woke. Remember go woke go broke. Cee.
I stand by my it's all about the money statement. We will never know if Motor Trend was or wasn't making money. Large corporations cut things because they are a big chunk of cash that can be driven off the books even if it's making a small amount of money for the company the liabilities make it worth less. Witness that Warner Discovery canceled Batgirl after the movie was completed because it was more money making as a tax write-off
I watched a bit of Road Kill in the early days when it was on TH-cam. But when it went to MT and cost money to watch it I was out. I’d much rather watch small car channels on TH-cam than have to pay big corporations money to watch one or two shows. My current favorite channel on YT is Simon Fordman. Just a young kid working on old cars.
@ LOL! I’ve been watching you for a long time! TH-cam is the only TV I watch, cars and airplane are my gig. It’s nice to see young guys and occasionally gals getting into the hobby cause us old guys aren’t gonna be around forever!
It really doesn't matter to me why they did it or who made the choice to do it all I know is they've lost every single subscription that I had I canceled each and every one of them as soon as I heard this goodbye too bad rubbish
Everything I Motortrend is a rerun. They make an episode and then they beat you to death with it. The TH-cam car creators are a much better Watch everything on motors transcripted and it’s phony that’s why it’s going goodbye
Absolutely awefull TV has become nothing more than an advertisement for the rich...now their will be nothing left to watch..why do we the viewer continue to build up theese channels..just to lose out in the end...hope you guys can fund a way to keep doin what you do.man wtf...
Ok, you lost me at “woke conspiracy”. Roadkill and the other shows were cancelled because Motortrend is part of a dying medium, cable TV and print media. Pretty much all of the cool old car magazines and TV shows are gone now, victims of mergers, acquisitions and changing demographics. Frieburger and company should have stuck to TH-cam instead of selling their souls to Discovery, another dying company. I’m sure Frieberger and company will just transition back to TH-cam with a similar style show, I doubt that they own the rights to the “Roadkill” name now though. This isn’t a matter of “wokeness” killing off old media, it’s the result of changes in the market, you know, that thing that a certain group of people love to say will save the would, but don’t seem to know how it works.
Oh I never said it was about a woke conspiracy. You obviously typed that before the end of the video. My theory is that it is really all about the money.
Cancel Roadkill, Garage squad etc, put on more woke home improvement shows with cutie pies in tight pants attempting to hammer a nail, no thanks wont watch.
Vice Grip Garage Derek thinks he is funny by repeating the word "spark-a-laters" and other stupid made up words. He's not funny! He is a boring content creator!
That's the cool thing about the universe you can have an opinion about just about anything. I think they came up with a great idea that was ahead of everybody else and they rode the wave.
I don't know 242,000 people looked at Finnegan's video. And probably equal that number on Freiburgers video. My video is hovering somewhere around 12,000 views at this point. I think folks care.
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I think what made Roadkill great was the chemistry between the guys and the budget big enough to allow crazy projects.
I've watched a bunch of Engine Masters on TH-cam and found it fascinating. I found Roadkill and Roadworthy rescues while staying at a hotel with the wife. There wasn't anything else on TV, so we watched several episodes. My wife now feels less worried when we take a trip in our classic car, as they're in better condition that what they were running. I appreciate their efforts, and like you, wish them much success in their future endevours.
I think what's missed in these discussions is that when it was TH-cam it was lean and clean. Then each step up added production and cost and a demand for a bigger and bigger return. In the end, creator driven content is content for the viewer, not the investor. I'm glad to see it turn the right direction again.
You can see this in real time with VGG being perfekt as it is, yet the "Motortrend feat. Derek" vids I've seen just doesnt move me.
I am pretty sure that Finnegan and Freiburger Will Rise From the Ashes of this
As for cable shows, they were impacted a lot by social media and TH-cam. What's also depressing is the lot of competition contest shows, on every network. With Roadkill and others alike, they never argued, screamed and went on drama tantrums, just clean fun. No matter what they will be missed. The joy of just turning on the tv, tuning in and sitting back. TH-cam is great but mind you, because of accessibility, I tend to wander too often.
I agree that other shows came along after roadkill that used the same profile cleetus McFarland being one of the major ones that's made a great success of it
When the magazines went out of business a few years ago only you and frieburger did videos about it. Thanks for this vid.
PS Hot Rod magazine is only 4 issues a year now.
That's all changed now though, Physical Magazine Subscription is up 37% over the last 3 years, the ENTIRE problem with Magazines is they got too expensive and when the economy hit the skids people could no longer to pay fir luxuries like physical magazines at $12 a month for every magazine.
I miss the old days
I think they canceled Roadkill due to safety concerns, Fryeburger's total refusal to wear shoes.😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣 that and the money
Do you remember Shadetree Mechanic with Dave Bowman and Sam Memmolo? These guys really started it all I believe. I used to watch them every week. Every show has its run. Freiburger and crew will hopefully do MUCH better on their own. We'll all be watching, along side Autorestomod and MM
I agree it's about the money. It's also due to mismanagement at an executive level. This happens all the time. I worked for several major corporation from Kodak, to Frontier Communications, Constellation Brands to Amazon then Aerospace. All of these corporation had executive making poor decisions in an effort to please share holders and corporate boards and let's not forget Government regulation requirements! This results in huge financial losses as you mentioned! The majority of the executives at Warner and Discovery more than likely did not get the passion we have for the automobile!
When I say it's all about the money that includes shareholders LOL
You should know that Joe Zolper from Garage Squad just posted a video about this same topic. His channel is his name. Thank goodness we've gotten you and Joe on the tube now though!
Frieberger did one also and they both said the pretty much the same thing, WBD is shutting the channel down using "Death by re-run: because they don't want to be in the Automotive business, they did the samething to WCW (World Championship Wrestling) in 2001 after they bought out Ted Turner, WCW had the #1 and #3 shows on Turner Broadcasting and they sold it for less than 10% of what it was worth because they simply didn't want to be in the wrestling business, it's different here.... The Suit at WBD don't wanna be in the Automotive business.
I watched Joe's Short piece on it and he was pretty spot-on with his ideas. I've always liked Joe he's a pretty fun guy, at least what I've seen of him on the shows
Thank God for You Tube we will still be able to watch out fav's.
TH-cam is very restrictive, though. Content creators are slowly making their way to places like Rumble, where the platform doesn't punish people for wrong think.
TH-cam sucks. I wish more people would put their videos on Rumble.
@@Thirdgen83
Yet here you are.
On TH-cam.
Bellyaching, sniveling and whining about non-existent 'woke'.
Typical MAGA chud.
TH-cam will continue to go woke and you won’t be watching anything. They don’t want you to see.
Too many spin-off shows diluted the brand imo
roadkill garage is better tho. Roadkill was good for the first 5 years was pretty good.
Naa totally like what so many of what shows are going through. Buy competition and cancel new production and live off the catalogue. You can bet they have a no compete till existing contract is up
Way to love on all of the people involved with these shows. What a blessing to be able to start a new journey.
In 2020 i bought a 66 F100. Your show, as well as theirs, have been a gateway to a new hobby for me.
Thank you for being a positive example 🎉
me too! '66 F100 LB haha
I watch all these guys when it's snowing
I call it grease porn
I've been where these folks are at before and it's not any fun for sure
@@AutoRestoMod in hind sight it's sometimes remembered as fun 😆
I very much appreciated the 'see ya on the rumble' comment. 😁
Motortrend TV used to have about 6 or 7 shows that I was willing to subscribe to see. The remaining Roadkills are all they have left.
All of the mentioned shows were some of my favorites on tv in general, with Engine Masters being my overall favorite. I really looked forward to new episodes of all of these shows, and I will miss any of them that don't continue online.
I've worked in the movie and TV industry for over 20 years. When the streaming services took off about 10 years ago, the industry exploded with everybody trying to make content. People got greedy and it got too big. Now it's collapsing on itself. It's all about the money to the people at the top. The industry moved across the country trying to find the cheapest place to make films and TV shows. Now they've slowed down productions and are not filming so much. The big movies that used to get filmed in Hollywood, then Atlanta, are now being filmed in England. Why? Because it's cheaper. The Roadkill guys were just caught in the middle. They had a good run, and I'm glad I got to see it
I agree with 90% of what you said, The thing you missed is WBD bought Motortrend tv in order to shut it down. They didn't want to be in "Automotive tv" business, they have a history of doing it, they did the same thing to WCW (World Championship Wrestling) when they bought it along with TBS, TN, TCM and all the other Turner Cable Properties. WCW Monday Nitro was BY FAR the #1 viewed show on Turner networks, WCW Thursday Night was #3 yet they took it off t.v. and sold the company, Why? because they didn't want to be in the Wrestling business, They are doing the samething here with Motortrend TV, they are shutting it down using "death by reruns", After the spring season there are no new shows coming out on the channel because they don't want to be in "car business", and they are using "it's not profitable" excuse but I absolutely REFUSE to believe that, There's no way it's losing money, It's making money it's probally that it isn;t making as much as they feel it should.
Agreed
I was a roadkill nutcase for the for a long time. I was obsessed in highschool and would wait until the night the new one would come out. I haven’t seen a single new episode in probably 4 years. It lost what made it fun to watch. Engine masters was fantastic and In my opinion the best show that got canned because of this. Frieburger and Finnegan will do fine with out it.
What I love about what Finnegan and Freiburger did was that they brought young people into the hobby that likely would not have been involved when the show was on TH-cam
Something about the cancellation smells funny but mum is the word
Just like Street Outlaws. Something smells fishy when a network turns their back on one of their top shows
Its not a loss to the community. They will still be a huge part of this hobby and will still be putting out tons of fantastic content. Hopefully, the other employees/ hosts will land on their feet and get the support they deserve
Honestly the two of them need to go and do exactly what they were doing on TH-cam where they are in complete control of what happens. While The Grand Tour that was done by Clarkson May and Hammond was run by the corporate shills it was still the same thing as Top Gear only different.
A generation of young men rebuilding gasoline powered vehicles goes against the message.
Toyota and Ford think the way forward will be internal combustion engines on hydrogen. I don't know what message you are referencing but I don't think we are going to see some sort of end for internal combustion. People might want it but we are probably a century away from that happening. A better technology, a new element on the periodic table is needed. We just ain't there yet
@@dougsmaintenanceshop5868 I guess they never heard of the Hindenburg.
@@Thirdgen83 I guess you don't know the difference between a balloon and a fuel cell.
@@idiotology5568 You probably don't know the difference between a man and a woman...
@@Thirdgen83 Great come back.......cum back.
Your suggestions are exactly what I mentioned to Freiburger on his channel. Just form a production company and stay on TH-cam. Even Dave Kindig got caught up in this. At least he has his shop!
Good stuff!
Road killed it's self, ran out of content. Roadkill Garage took off , Steve was and is a better match up with Fryeburger, just what i think.
Nope, they had content. Got cancelled over execs and money. Watch Joe Zolper from Garage Squad talk about it on his channel.
Motor trend 2 largest sponsors were Dodge and Autozone, Dodge killed their v8 production and challenger/chargers. Autozone announced, days before MT, that they're closing 700 stores due to slumping sales.
Ok this is what we call a CLUE
Advance Auto is closing 700 stores, not Autozone.
Creativity is being “out of the box”. Accounting and finance is the balance. Blaming others is projection.
Agreed
Woke= anything I don't like...
Joe Zolper from Garage Squad has his own channel and goes off on what's going on and why. And yes, it's primarily executives and what they want to put the network's money into.
IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY
Everyone could tell Roadkill was real, unscripted. We could relate because they were just 2 gear heads going on adventures and being hooligans routinely. Everyone is tire of all this reality TV "We're gonna lose the shop" BS and Roadkill was a breath of fresh air because it looked great but wasn't over produced. Plus there was just a wholesome friendship between Mike and Dave, and everyone else involved.
3:24 - Ding! Ding! Ding! I truly is about money and how much you can make on the right off.
WB killed the Red vs Blue / Rooster Teeth franchise too.
Hell it wouldn’t surprise me if the epa isn’t threatening to fine them
They're mostly reserving that for the diesel shows
Jeff I believe what’s is happening to Motortrend TV & alike is much what is happening to our media and alike. Personally I watch very little “TV” or cable but more so streaming services, TH-cam & Rumble. I follow a number of shows including Autorestomod, Uncle Tony’s Garage, Kiwi’s Classic, Vice grip, Finnegan’s Garage & more. I truly believe the corporate model is dying, look at our past elections and where many got their information to make decisions such as Joe Rogan, Tim Pool, Matt Tiebe, Glenn Greenwald and more. Cable news outlets such as CNN or MSNBC are crashing and appear to soon be sold off.
I personally I’m excited by these changes and see huge opportunities for shows such as yours and, more so, the hobby of classic cars, trucks & alike.
The new generation is online and TV or such are in fact, in my view, dying breads. For you and all others who produce these videos & stream them I see real growth. Change is much like a curve in the road, just turn the wheel and follow through accelerating on the way out.
I agree with you. It's a whole new world.
At least Might Car Mods and The Skid Factory are still around
You so true for what you say.
If roadkill didn’t exist on TH-cam, I personally wouldn’t have the kick to start the project I am working on, on summer day.
Because back in the day TH-cam was “real” when Tv show was … tv show (not so real), it shows that sort of thing was possible in real life. (Not from US by the way, I have an European point of view on this subject.
So like some say: “don’t be sad it’s ending, be happy it’s ever happens “
(My 65 mustang coupe will run one day, it will !!! (lol)) 👍
Keep working on that car!
I will always be a long time fan of freiburger Finnegan and all the rest I'll watch them anyway possible
They probably will go back to the drawing board and do another show I don't think they'll be able to call it roadkill though
Went the same way as the SPEED channel and Steve Magantes Junkyard Gold, what a shame... we have to band together and keep this hobby alive, dont get it right, just get it running yall....
I think TH-cam is the last Bastion of that sort of programming. Us guys are typically in control of our own destiny (except for Donut Media).
Since discovery took over they just made it harder and harder for anyone outside the US to watch so obviously the viewers just got annoyed and left. And when it moved to max even people in tbe US couldn't watch so low views due to their own incompetence and money is probably what killed it
Roadkill was great and I enjoyed it while it lasted. But it was nowhere near the level of craziness that was Top Gear. Not even in the same League.
Top Gear was a great show about Men Behaving Badly according to what women think. 🤣🤣🤣
Especially that tackled intro,a frigging dead animal WTF
Lol
If you recall discovery was original home of the biker and monster garage. I kinda expected it when it when discovery took them
In my opinion i think they have a no competition order till the new shows air
Also remember hoonigan production is still out there
I think on the whole, you're going to see less and less automotive content on TV networks because it costs a lot of money for production. Plus, less and less of the people in Hollywood understand automobiles. They really understand things like bachelorettes bachelor's and people yelling at each other
Joe Zolper did a video to explain why , basically they made cuts to Motor Trend to slash the budget as it did not turn a profit .
While I agree with Joe I don't know that he actually has any inside facts other than his suppositions. But Joe basically came to the same conclusion that I did it really boils down to It's All About the Money
Another biggie is Discovery basically turning their back to the Street Outlaws franchise. No new programming for over a year now but Discovery hasn't released a statement. The drivers all swear they don't what the future holds. Of course there could be a hush clause in their contracts.
Believe me there are hush clauses as well. I've been in that boat on the print side of things when I was the editor for Mustang and Ford magazine and got let go. Fortunately I was in Florida which was a right to work state and I didn't have to worry about them coming after me if I went to work for another magazine.
yessir I remember when you were the editor of Mustangs and Fords. You probably lived in Lakeland. It seemed like Lakeland was the center of the Mustang hobby back then? I was a member of the Mustang Club of Tampa for many years before I retired and moved to the North Georgia Mountains. I bet we have a lot of mutual friends like Mark Houlihan. Plus Merve and Pat recently retired.
Enjoy the show@@AutoRestoMod
I think they should have stayed on TH-cam instead of the pay wall route that limited the audience because motor trend wasn't available every ware especially outside of the us and these days a show needs all the audience they can get roadkill wasn't the weak link here it's discovery/warner that dropped the ball.
Honestly, it's not the first ball that Discovery has dropped. Warner Discovery lost the NBA contract, and that cost them a pretty penny. Remember, these cats lost 10 billion dollars. Roadkill at all was just one of the small Band-Aids that they put on the gunshot wound.
The best way to understand what happened is to look at MotorTrend as a whole. EVERYTHING was canceled, except for a handful of shows they are contractually obligated to continue. Its basically a dead channel.
Should we spend a little time talking about all the magazines that have died at the hands of many of these large corporations
@@AutoRestoMod Well we are in an era in which people do not really read much beyond twitter-length micro posts, so magazines are a thing of the past by this point. I don't say this happily, as an author, but that's just the world we live in, for now.
They will all end up on you tube and be just fine. Too many spin offs maybe a bad thing?
Can someone please tell me what is/was Roadkill?
It was a show about hooning cars. It was part of the Motor Trend TV network. And I think it's so its greatest success when it was actually just on TH-cam.
They were great shows!!! It really sounds and smells like a $$$ issue.
The beginning roadkill was good, the later shows were more like advertising, roadkill garage was good, ultimately it became advertising. The rest of the motortrend shows weren't good, I loved dirt everyday. Your show is far more informative. So in my opinion far superior. TH-cam is where my entertainment comes from. Stacey David's gearz is the advertising and informative show that sticks around, he even realized youtube is where it's at
They killed of a lot of revinew just by refusing to deal with EU privacy policy and flat out refused and cancelled all subscritions from the EU. Making it impossible for people in the EU region to watch or pay for motortrend programs.
But I'm really curious as to just how many people in the EU are watching Motor Trend TV compared to the United States. My show is 92.6% US market.
I thought it was cancelled years ago. My station only show the older shows.
As for looking for sponsors I would submit you should check out Tony A's stay tuned when he discussed the cost of getting sponsors.
Sponsors are hard to co.e buy at the level MT TV was operating at there were heaps of mouths to feed at Motortrend Studios. The rates go up accordingly.
Street outlaws was canceled by Discovery too.
A lot of things will be falling off the cliff as Warner Discovery+ regroups.
Money 100%. With type of show and content, it’s hard to find advertisers that will or even understand the viewership.
I'll tell you that the advertisers actually chased the most number of viewers. 90% of them don't give a crap about the content they just want the numbers. You can have a show that is a high-quality show that does a great job, but if it doesn't have the numbers, the advertisers will stay away and droves
There's a lot of people who enjoy the type of content they do and hopefully someone with a brain will pick them back up and I'm sure they will do a lot more of this stuff on Facebook.
They killed all the ghost shows on disc+ too
I don't think that the chopping block is quite done yet to be honest with you. This is starting to look like the French Revolution.
I dig the shirt
I for one absolutly refuse to use a streaming service. Our bill is already over 100 per month for 200 channels i dont even watch. As for freiburger and crew. I will be watching on uTube. Moter trend will be gone and thats to bad. By
The TH-cam numbers will be much larger than viewer numbers on TV. Cable TV/ legacy media is dead at this point.
If not dead at least on life support
It's ALWAYS about the money. Always.
Always
Paramount did the same thing with Power Nation.
I think a lot of the people in Los Angeles have absolutely no idea what to do with car culture. It is why you see so many of these kind of shows that do so well on TH-cam falling apart after they get off of TH-cam
this is mostly WB/Discovery's fault. I have heard rumblings from people that used to work for Discovery. originally Discover used to be about scientific stuff like animals eating other animals, then MythBusters and Dirty Jobs came along, and then it just became more scripted reality tv series, like Fast and Loud, Misfit Garage, the current street outlaws thing. got to have all the fake drama to keep people coming back. and roadkill doesn't have that kind of drama. nor is that kind of drama needed in a shows like RoadKill. so, when WB told Discovery to cut the budget, they kill everything that was not outlaw street racing. To be honest i saw the writing on the wall as soon as Motor Trend was sold to Discovery. they are not exactly known for being a great place to work from what i have heard. its part of the reason Arron left Fast and Loud. the filming schedule with grinding them down and they just could not turn out a quality product in the time requirements, I heard the same thing about American Choppers. 17 years ago, i worked for a company that did a corporate bike with them and Discovery made if hell to even work with them and the time frame for filming and everything. it was 100% true. the bike itself was beautiful, but it was nonfunctional. the electrical was garbage, there were a half a lot of bad grounds, where they just attached the ground wire to the painted frame, so thing worked intermittently. also with the huge front tire, it was unrideable in anything like a strait line. so when Disco looks at something like Roadkill they have no idea what to do with it, so they killed it.
I think roadkill and the other shows were just easy targets for discovery. At this point I believe they are just looking for the most amount of money that they can cut out of anything. 10 billion will make you start looking for wholesale cuts.
Roadkill killed themselves when they wanted to go on a subacription base
Once again we're talking about what the corporation wanted to do. Freiburger in Finnegan were just hosts on the show they had no real control over the destiny of roadkill or any of the other shows Motor Trend TV work with
Well Hoovie said MT gave him a million dollars roughly to produce a season of his show total cost involved. So do the math across 5-7 shows. and just on the MT side and nothing else. You can see where the network could get 41 billion in debt pretty easily across the board.
Agreed
What about the shows that anen't so good on MT? What's up with them? We are not hearing about them.... Roadkill made MT!! I will follow Roadkill where ever they go!! F MT!!
Sadly, for most people, the only place Roadkill is going is away. I am not sure that Motor Trend will let go of roadkill for David Freiburger to continue on TH-cam. They just shut everything down.
But you're so sexy when you put on your tin foil hat.😆 Well spoken. You know when one door closes another opens. A lot of those guys are going to be making those steps, best of luck to all of them. And thank you for your time and effort you make week in and week out.
Have you been watching me in my off time again? 🤣
They sold out, should have kept their videos on youtube.
FYI Frieburger had nothing to do with the sell out. He was just an employee.
@@davidkuhn3970An employee under contract who was happy to be funded by corporate dollars instead of bailing and going to TH-cam years ago.
Roadkill was always a Motortrend owned/produced show. It was never a couple-of-guys-on-YT-that-got-picked-up-by-a-network.
@@mattg7952 He had nothing to do with the decision to go off TH-cam and make it only pay only.
They didn't have any control over what happened. They were just hosts on the show
Looking at MT's programming, the whole thing looks like a wasteland of reruns. There's maybe an hour or two of new content over any 24 hour period.
The big problem they have is that the size of the studio that was producing it was pretty big and not able to produce a ton of shows, and thus, you go into re-run hell.
Maturation?
Accountants are probably drawing the line on what stays and what goes. If you want to find the problems follow the money. No organizations or affiliated groups have any effect on big business. Foolish to look underlying causes
Too true like I say it's all about the money. You've got to make the stockholders happy LOL
A “bang shift” EV just wouldn’t have worked or even resonated with viewers….
EVs are the future that the political folks are pushing. I'm just not sure that we're ready for that future yet.
@ I hear you. The market, not the government will drive that future.
i've not turned my tv on for 3 weeks except for the election
Honestly I don't even watch TV
Mainstream TV is dying. The new model will be streaming of some sort over the internet.Only the big guys will be really in it. The big guys are asset managers who hold stock which they wish to go up in value to attract new investors such as superannuation funds. To improve the bottom line and hike the share price you trim costs to the bone by screwing everyone and use the existing paid for episodes, then you look for the next bunnies to focus the gun-sight on.
Both of them need to take a page out of cleetus and branch out on their own to create their own media brand and not be employees anymore for the corp woke people to take it away from them. the corp people never get shows like this and destroy everything they touch and can never see the big picture or can change fast enough with times this shows in the magazines and media they produce. What sucks is that they don't own any of the tv rights to the show they created or had the foresight of how big this would have come.
That's what I did in 2010!
paywalls killed roadkill
Maybe, probably, but what really killed them was the fact that there were/are other shows that were/are doing very much the same thing on TH-cam, Cletus McFarland for one. While it is all about the money, peversly, car folks just don't want to pay the money for the shows LOL. And there are less and less sponsors available for shows like roadkill or any of us.
It isn't all about the money. If a show is self supported then that means it makes money to cover the cost. Why cancel a money maker unless you're woke. Remember go woke go broke. Cee.
I stand by my it's all about the money statement. We will never know if Motor Trend was or wasn't making money. Large corporations cut things because they are a big chunk of cash that can be driven off the books even if it's making a small amount of money for the company the liabilities make it worth less. Witness that Warner Discovery canceled Batgirl after the movie was completed because it was more money making as a tax write-off
It was low ratings. If the shows made money, they would have stayed on the air.
It’s sad to see how woke jacked up some quality car shows!
Yep.
I watched a bit of Road Kill in the early days when it was on TH-cam. But when it went to MT and cost money to watch it I was out.
I’d much rather watch small car channels on TH-cam than have to pay big corporations money to watch one or two shows.
My current favorite channel on YT is Simon Fordman. Just a young kid working on old cars.
For what's wrong with a really old man working on old cars. Can I be a favorite too🤣
@ LOL! I’ve been watching you for a long time! TH-cam is the only TV I watch, cars and airplane are my gig. It’s nice to see young guys and occasionally gals getting into the hobby cause us old guys aren’t gonna be around forever!
It really doesn't matter to me why they did it or who made the choice to do it all I know is they've lost every single subscription that I had I canceled each and every one of them as soon as I heard this goodbye too bad rubbish
I didn't have to cancel I never had the subscription
Everything I Motortrend is a rerun. They make an episode and then they beat you to death with it. The TH-cam car creators are a much better Watch everything on motors transcripted and it’s phony that’s why it’s going goodbye
You're high!
Not yet but give me a little time
It was a terrible show when you really just sit back and think about it, all reality tv car shows are terrible and mindless
Sometimes it's okay to sit in your living room eat a bag of Cheetos and watch something that doesn't make sense LOL
Absolutely awefull TV has become nothing more than an advertisement for the rich...now their will be nothing left to watch..why do we the viewer continue to build up theese channels..just to lose out in the end...hope you guys can fund a way to keep doin what you do.man wtf...
You can watch me! Although I admit I don't do a whole lot of hunting on my show.
Its not about woke, its about the money. Its always about the money.
And go woke, go broke. So yes, it IS also about woke.
Ok, you lost me at “woke conspiracy”. Roadkill and the other shows were cancelled because Motortrend is part of a dying medium, cable TV and print media. Pretty much all of the cool old car magazines and TV shows are gone now, victims of mergers, acquisitions and changing demographics. Frieburger and company should have stuck to TH-cam instead of selling their souls to Discovery, another dying company.
I’m sure Frieberger and company will just transition back to TH-cam with a similar style show, I doubt that they own the rights to the “Roadkill” name now though.
This isn’t a matter of “wokeness” killing off old media, it’s the result of changes in the market, you know, that thing that a certain group of people love to say will save the would, but don’t seem to know how it works.
Oh I never said it was about a woke conspiracy. You obviously typed that before the end of the video. My theory is that it is really all about the money.
Cancel Roadkill, Garage squad etc, put on more woke home improvement shows with cutie pies in tight pants attempting to hammer a nail, no thanks wont watch.
But it's what they say people want!
Vice Grip Garage Derek thinks he is funny by repeating the word "spark-a-laters" and other stupid made up words. He's not funny! He is a boring content creator!
I don't believe it, but I've got to, I'm looking right at it.
Funny is all subjective
Road Kill sucked
That's the cool thing about the universe you can have an opinion about just about anything. I think they came up with a great idea that was ahead of everybody else and they rode the wave.
Bye 😂
Missed you on patreon bro
Missed you on Patreon!
@AutoRestoMod I was driving and it was dark.
Nobody cares it’s old news!
I don't know 242,000 people looked at Finnegan's video. And probably equal that number on Freiburgers video. My video is hovering somewhere around 12,000 views at this point. I think folks care.