You thought you'd never actually have to use your high-school algebra??? You've clearly never crash-landed an airliner by FAA regulations. Europe asks for fuel-remaining in cubic centimeters - just to show off the benefits of their University system.
"Oh? Your plane is crashing? Turn left to 310 and, when able, I need your mother's maiden name, the last-4 of your social, and what's the billing-zip-code of your Mastercard divided by 3 in Roman numerals?
The funny thing about multi engine training is you spend so much of that time flying with one engine shut down or stimulated failed. Every type rating I've ever flown has had an engine failure on takeoff followed by a single engine approach. It sounds scary, but there are far worse things that could happen, that thankfully rarely do.
@@marmotil7668 Yeah and with Southwest's low cost business model, I'm sure they can make a profit with a 66% load factor pretty easily, maybe not as much during the high fuel prices right now. But 117 isn't that low
I sooo wanted the reply to "We've lost the number 2 engine" to have been: "Have you tried looking on the right hand wing, that's where they're normally kept?" :D :D :D
He's old-school, he's done this job a long time. He's just pissed cuz, while he was adjusting the trim, his gung-ho #2 was busy yelling: "I'm pretty sure we have to declare an emergency and go back in."
A lot depends on what "failed". Whether it was the FADEC (engine computer) that shutdown the engine because of something, or the crew saw something and shut it down, whatever failed was likely not the whole engine, it was probably some part of it and thus all that needed to be fixed was that part and then the engine inspected and run on the ground to verify nothing else got hurt. The mechanics who work these kinds of failures are rockstars as mentioned, they know their stuff and can diagnose and get things fixed in record time.
Question for the pilots here. Why is it that the ATC always asks the pilots if it’s okay to send fire trucks out? Shouldn’t that be the airports discretion, or automatic when a plane has to make an emergency landing? Can the pilot decline the trucks?
Paperwork, and money. Pilots can decline if they felt it is unnecessary (Like that Lufthansa 747 lost one engine), but no one will (or should) penalize them if they want the trucks.
In this case if the ATC hadn't initiated the trucks, I'm sure the flight crew would have later in the checklist. The ATC was ahead of the crew on the need to burn fuel or not. The crew hadn't gotten to that item yet, but holding to burn fuel on a single engine is usually not advisable unless there are other considerations like not having an airport nearby offering a runway long enough to land overweight.
@@AaronShenghao the cost of rolling the trucks is minimal at most airports because the equipment and personnel are already on the airport property ready to move. Some smaller airports with only a few flights a week have agreements with the local fire department for them to respond as needed. That is more expensive per event. In any case, the cost is built into the airport passenger fee that is charged by the airport. There is no incentive to not roll the trucks. It gives them something to do. I recall the American Airlines engine failure and fire in Chicago video where an ARFF responder was excited because he was retiring the next week after 30 years and finally got his first real incident.
It's a safety thing too. The pilots can't see the engine or the wing, so they don't know if it's just dead, or if it exploded and damaged important stuff nearby like the flaps, slats, or landing gear (which is exposed and about 10 feet away from the engine on a 737), So they roll the trucks just in case the landing goes sideways.
I think the tower moved them to a different frequency so they could talk without interruption. So when they changed frequency they lost the replies from the pilot.
This was my 1st thought! I’m a SW FA and my 1st thought @ 117 onboard was “seriously? How the hell did they have a flight with 64 open seats?” (117 minus 6 crew = 111 out of 175)!
Non-pilot question - how often do declarations of emergency happen at major airports? Multiple per day, multiple per week? Are engine/mechanical failures the most common emergency?
SWA has full fleet utilization, which means their planes are constantly flying for pretty much all scheduled routes, save for airplanes not getting flown due to being in maintenance or down for some other issue. They get used a lot, but Southwest’s maintenance is very progressive and pretty good.
Southwest flights typically don’t stay at one destination for long. A lot of times one plane will fly to two or more destinations in one day so they’re constantly on the go. Flying that often will increase the stress on the engine so it’s a higher possibility of a failure
Yes, an emergency frequency is used to put just the emergency aircraft and the fire trucks on. The pilot and the fire trucks can then discuss anything particular that the pilots wants.
You’ll learn in multi training, as long as you have sufficient airspeed and proper airflow over the rudders to maintain coordinated directional flight then turning into the dead engine is okay. MEIs discourage turning into the dead engine because VMCA spins would be easier to achieve at slower air speeds if you are getting below the blue line. Due to the aircraft already halfway into the direction of spin because of VMCA, there would be less time to recover due to pilot error.
Turbofans are much less an issue when failed compared with props. One just doesn’t get the same drag as one gets with a non-feathered prop. Learned that doing my citation type rating.
Non-pilot here. I've been binging these videos for a while now, and the ATC almost always gives the pilot free choice of runaway to land on in case of an emergency. I wonder, why is the pilot here given a specific runaway to land on, instead of being asked which one he prefers? Regardless, splendid job by ATC, pilot and emergency crew getting the plane down safely!
Great question. I’m not an airline pilot or ATC. First of all, the pilot in command always have the ultimate decision to decide which runway to land on. There are situations that aircrafts need to land as soon as possible. For example, captain Sully lost both engines and need to glide down to Hudson River. Doesn’t matter what runway the ATC had given, plane is landing on the river. In this specific situation, (which is quite common) Both pilots and ATC understand they still have one engine. Pilot still have full control of the aircraft. Given the wind direction of 210, runway 18 is most suitable for the aircraft. Aircraft always want to land into the wind (headwind) for more lift. Pilots can always reject the ATC instruction if it is a safety-related concern. Just keep in mind, ATC doesn’t necessary has all the technical knowledge for the aircraft types, and they don’t know exactly what’s going on inside the cockpit. In this case, it’s not like ATC doesn’t want to give the pilot the runway option. It’s more like, under these circumstance, it’s obvious for both parties that the pilot will prefer this runway.
Because that's not how this OP titles his videos. It's much more interesting knowing the type of aircraft than the flight number. You can get the flight number if/when you watch the video.
They operate more US domestic flights than anyone else. Yes, engines designed, built and maintained by humans will fail at some point. That is why there are two.
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Everyone sounds so chill. Great job crew/atc
"...we have 117 souls on board, including the crew". Glad he mentioned the soul-less crew members!
Nice job, back on the ground safely.
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You never can tell -- there may be an atheist convention in town this week.
You thought you'd never actually have to use your high-school algebra??? You've clearly never crash-landed an airliner by FAA regulations. Europe asks for fuel-remaining in cubic centimeters - just to show off the benefits of their University system.
"Oh? Your plane is crashing? Turn left to 310 and, when able, I need your mother's maiden name, the last-4 of your social, and what's the billing-zip-code of your Mastercard divided by 3 in Roman numerals?
0:59 the casual tone he uses had me dying " Oh we lost the n.2 engine" no big deal xD
I mean, it really isn't THAT big of a deal, the airplane flies just fine with one engine.
Maintenance Form
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Complaint: Lost #2 engine.
Resolution: #2 engine found attached to right wing after brief search.
@@somejoe7777
My favorite was "Left main tire almost needs replacing" / ""Almost replaced left main tire"
lol, love the non-chalant "We lost the number 2 engine." response.
The funny thing about multi engine training is you spend so much of that time flying with one engine shut down or stimulated failed. Every type rating I've ever flown has had an engine failure on takeoff followed by a single engine approach. It sounds scary, but there are far worse things that could happen, that thankfully rarely do.
boy, with 117 onboard, including crew, for an 800, that went from an unprofitable flight to a very unprofitable flight!
Less fuel burn since only half the engines ;) (!)
Don't understand, with a southwest 737-800 having 175 passenger seats, it doesn't look that bad. Or did you mistake it for a 747-800?
@@marmotil7668 Yeah and with Southwest's low cost business model, I'm sure they can make a profit with a 66% load factor pretty easily, maybe not as much during the high fuel prices right now. But 117 isn't that low
Good communications between crew and tower 👍
I love how the controller didn't rush the pilot at all, never asked for eta's
Nice! Excellent controller, brief and informative and prepared!
I sooo wanted the reply to "We've lost the number 2 engine" to have been: "Have you tried looking on the right hand wing, that's where they're normally kept?" :D :D :D
it tried to play hide'n'seek
we won
I love you he says "We lost the number 2 engine" in the most casual voice ever.
He's old-school, he's done this job a long time. He's just pissed cuz, while he was adjusting the trim, his gung-ho #2 was busy yelling: "I'm pretty sure we have to declare an emergency and go back in."
I'm not a pilot or aircraft mechanic, but "engine failure" to "returned to service 29 hours later" seems pretty remarkable to me.
most major airlines have superstar maintenance. Can’t have these girls on the ground other wise they are not making any money lol.
A lot depends on what "failed". Whether it was the FADEC (engine computer) that shutdown the engine because of something, or the crew saw something and shut it down, whatever failed was likely not the whole engine, it was probably some part of it and thus all that needed to be fixed was that part and then the engine inspected and run on the ground to verify nothing else got hurt. The mechanics who work these kinds of failures are rockstars as mentioned, they know their stuff and can diagnose and get things fixed in record time.
Watched maintenance swap an engine on a 767 in one 12 hour shift… was quite impressive to me
Ryanair would have it back out 29 min later
Aircraft mechanic here they swap those engines out in about 8 hours or so
Always great videos VASA, thank you. Just cloudy and cool at ORD today. Would be nice to see sunlight one day.
It'll be hot and humid soon enough.
That’s all it is here at LAS. You can have this sun. Give us the clouds!
My friend was on that flight!!
Excellent communication all around. Kudos to all. . . 👍✈✈👍
Payda sounds a bit too much like "Mayday" for my liking!
Excellent job by the controller
The controller was awesome
Another great video... THANKS
Geez, I sure am glad it was the right engines and not the wrong engine!
Another day at the office for this crew!
Question for the pilots here. Why is it that the ATC always asks the pilots if it’s okay to send fire trucks out? Shouldn’t that be the airports discretion, or automatic when a plane has to make an emergency landing? Can the pilot decline the trucks?
Paperwork, and money. Pilots can decline if they felt it is unnecessary (Like that Lufthansa 747 lost one engine), but no one will (or should) penalize them if they want the trucks.
In this case if the ATC hadn't initiated the trucks, I'm sure the flight crew would have later in the checklist. The ATC was ahead of the crew on the need to burn fuel or not. The crew hadn't gotten to that item yet, but holding to burn fuel on a single engine is usually not advisable unless there are other considerations like not having an airport nearby offering a runway long enough to land overweight.
@@AaronShenghao the cost of rolling the trucks is minimal at most airports because the equipment and personnel are already on the airport property ready to move.
Some smaller airports with only a few flights a week have agreements with the local fire department for them to respond as needed. That is more expensive per event.
In any case, the cost is built into the airport passenger fee that is charged by the airport. There is no incentive to not roll the trucks.
It gives them something to do. I recall the American Airlines engine failure and fire in Chicago video where an ARFF responder was excited because he was retiring the next week after 30 years and finally got his first real incident.
It's a safety thing too. The pilots can't see the engine or the wing, so they don't know if it's just dead, or if it exploded and damaged important stuff nearby like the flaps, slats, or landing gear (which is exposed and about 10 feet away from the engine on a 737), So they roll the trucks just in case the landing goes sideways.
@@murphsmodels8853 250 million dollar planes and they can’t add cameras facing the engines or the landing gear 😏
Where'd SW539 communications go, there toward the end?
I think the tower moved them to a different frequency so they could talk without interruption. So when they changed frequency they lost the replies from the pilot.
128.35 was used. (Local emergency frequency)
Keep your ears clean folks one day big BigErn just might be in one of Victor's videos.
I feel like "PAYDAY" is a bad waypoint name. Very similar to the word mayday.
Great job plumbers! 🤙
Is turning into the dead engine not an issue on jets? Because, he sure made a lot of right hand turns.
No issue
Wow, what time of day? I don't think I've flown SWA in the past 5-6 years when the load factor of the flight wasn't like 95-100% 😂
AUS-PHX which is surprising since that flight is always 100% full. Worst part is they were already delayed 4 hours from 8pm to 12:30am 😬
@@saulhannibal3819 and the captain of this 737 sounded like he departed early LOL. Now that's a spectacular captain
This was my 1st thought! I’m a SW FA and my 1st thought @ 117 onboard was “seriously? How the hell did they have a flight with 64 open seats?” (117 minus 6 crew = 111 out of 175)!
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Non-pilot question - how often do declarations of emergency happen at major airports? Multiple per day, multiple per week? Are engine/mechanical failures the most common emergency?
In flight emergency are generally pretty low usually 2 or 3 a year at least at Austin. I am sure busier airports like Chicago or Atlanta have more
They had another engine out in Cincinatti the next day. Something going on? Or would this be a normal failure rate.
SWA has full fleet utilization, which means their planes are constantly flying for pretty much all scheduled routes, save for airplanes not getting flown due to being in maintenance or down for some other issue. They get used a lot, but Southwest’s maintenance is very progressive and pretty good.
Southwest flights typically don’t stay at one destination for long. A lot of times one plane will fly to two or more destinations in one day so they’re constantly on the go. Flying that often will increase the stress on the engine so it’s a higher possibility of a failure
So TWR was transmitting both on the main and the discrete frequency in the end?
Yes, an emergency frequency is used to put just the emergency aircraft and the fire trucks on. The pilot and the fire trucks can then discuss anything particular that the pilots wants.
I know nothing of jets, but why is ATC turning him into a dead engine? That's a big No-No for propeller-driven aircraft.
Old wive's tail, you can make turns in any direction on one.
You’ll learn in multi training, as long as you have sufficient airspeed and proper airflow over the rudders to maintain coordinated directional flight then turning into the dead engine is okay. MEIs discourage turning into the dead engine because VMCA spins would be easier to achieve at slower air speeds if you are getting below the blue line. Due to the aircraft already halfway into the direction of spin because of VMCA, there would be less time to recover due to pilot error.
Turbofans are much less an issue when failed compared with props. One just doesn’t get the same drag as one gets with a non-feathered prop. Learned that doing my citation type rating.
Non-pilot here. I've been binging these videos for a while now, and the ATC almost always gives the pilot free choice of runaway to land on in case of an emergency. I wonder, why is the pilot here given a specific runaway to land on, instead of being asked which one he prefers?
Regardless, splendid job by ATC, pilot and emergency crew getting the plane down safely!
its the longer of the 2 runways and they were landing overweight
@@SolidIke I see, thank you for the reply! I'm usually too busy deciphering the comms to notice the radar/diagram in the background 😂
There are only two runways available at Austin and 18R is significantly shorter than 18L.
it's the other way round, sorry
Great question. I’m not an airline pilot or ATC.
First of all, the pilot in command always have the ultimate decision to decide which runway to land on.
There are situations that aircrafts need to land as soon as possible. For example, captain Sully lost both engines and need to glide down to Hudson River. Doesn’t matter what runway the ATC had given, plane is landing on the river.
In this specific situation, (which is quite common) Both pilots and ATC understand they still have one engine. Pilot still have full control of the aircraft. Given the wind direction of 210, runway 18 is most suitable for the aircraft. Aircraft always want to land into the wind (headwind) for more lift.
Pilots can always reject the ATC instruction if it is a safety-related concern. Just keep in mind, ATC doesn’t necessary has all the technical knowledge for the aircraft types, and they don’t know exactly what’s going on inside the cockpit.
In this case, it’s not like ATC doesn’t want to give the pilot the runway option. It’s more like, under these circumstance, it’s obvious for both parties that the pilot will prefer this runway.
Planes are designed to fly on one engine
0:20 Send me to "PAYDA" anytime you want :p
I am curious why not list "SWA539" in the subject title?
Because that's not how this OP titles his videos. It's much more interesting knowing the type of aircraft than the flight number. You can get the flight number if/when you watch the video.
Title / thumbnail is critical for getting views from discovery
He could possibly get a nastygram from an airline if he lists an incorrect flight number, and it is more accurate listing the aircraft type.
Another SWA with engine problems....
They operate more US domestic flights than anyone else. Yes, engines designed, built and maintained by humans will fail at some point. That is why there are two.
He said forgetting the last uncontained engine failure was a United flight last year.
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If Nancy Pelosi had been aboard their count would have been off.