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Well, tbh I would put Paul a little bit higher. He was able to get a draw with Kaz BEFORE T1 events and then pretty much on an equal footing he was fighting Kazuya during the actual tournament, but ultimately loses. And this is probably the most powerful Kazuya version (aside T8 maybe - I'm talking about base form). In Tekken: Bloodline (Netflix series) Heihachi even says that if it wasn't for Devil Gene, Kazuya would have lost. In T2 they didn't get to fight with each other because Paul got stuck in the traffic jam, but in T3 Paul was said to beat Ogre and then left before Ogre transformed into True Ogre. It was stated in his T4 prologue/bio.
Bloodline isn’t canon and makes massive changes to the story. It’s an adaptation and wasn’t even made by Bamco. As for the rest I explain all of your points in the video.
@@blackdarkness6798 i honestly wasn't aware of that. But this would mess up the character interaction between jin and leroy as they act like they've only just met.
@@EmperorGheal It doesnt, Leroy points out during the fight a line about not using mishima style techniques which only in T3 he used, T8 we find out Jin uses the style again vs Kazuya when he points out he gave up on them, just to say he aint hesitating at this point to use them anymore, so lore wise Jin does his T3 moveset only at the very end Also Leroy doesnt really act like he didnt met before, to Xiaoyu he has a line that she looks familiar and later in victory animations and his ending he knows her, only in the anime he met ever Let alone Jin is the reason Leroy uses a cane, remember what he did to his leg? So yeah, some liberties were taken, yet Harada still loved even these
@@blackdarkness6798 I keep seeing people say this and have looked it up. He NEVER said it was canon. It can’t be it conflicts with several characters stories. He said there are parts that we never see in the games that he considers as the way they went down. That doesn’t mean the entire show is canon. King beating Paul in the Semi Finals in the anime and Going all the way in the games to even defeating Ogre can’t both be canon and considering that his arc in 4 - 8 would be completely undone if he lost to King in 3 means it couldn’t have possibly happened.
The Mishima Lightning that Lars use is more focus on speed and accuracy while Jin, Heihachi, Reina, and Kazuya used only the Lightning as a boost to their single attack. Like Lars has speed electric, while the Mishima's has Power electric.
Now the ACTUAL list GOD TIER Angel Jin Consistently did a bit better than True Devil Kazuya and had the overall edge His rage art damaged Devil severely while Angel Jin got up and continued after Devils rage art. He was also trying to save TD Kazuya while TD Kazuya was trying to kill him. Slightly above True Devil Kazuya for sure True Devil Kazuya. Obviously Merged Devil Jin(one white wing) Kazuya stated that this power would have propably beaten him if not for Azazels power. Devil Kazuya-X(Full Devil from Tekken 7) Shin Akuma Final or "Ascended" Heihachi Devil Jin(Classic/Evil) TK8 Devil Kazuya(Advanced) Stated by Zafina as having grown stronger. Now has blue lasers and can use massive energy blasts Stated as being far above Azazel and defeated him with ease Akuma&Devil Kazuya(TK7 Rage Mode) On par with Akuma who beat Heihachi Devil Reina She should be at this level i quess. I dont care for her. Golden Azazel Jin needed to use a portion of the Devil Gene to kill him and he was put into a coma by the effort as he put everything into to it. TOP TIER Jin Kazama(Full Power Base) Equal and slightly above Lars based on their first fight in the throne room. Lars On par and STRONGER than Kazuya in TK6 scenario campaign,sending Kazuya further back than Kaz did him,recovering while Kazuya was staggering who also chose to retreat. Equal/or a tiny bit stronger than Heihachi Defeated a WEAKENED Heihachi who was still retraining and getting back in shape after being in a coma Heihachi Stated as being stronger than when Akuma made his promise to Kazumi. On par with&SLIGHTLY stronger than Kazuya. Base Kazuya Nearly completely equal to Heihachi and is consistently on par with him Azazel Nearly equal to Base form Mishimas based on the patchislot movies and Lars Most likely was what possessed Jinpachi and should be more powerful than him TK8 Hwoarang On par with and superior to WEAKENED Jin Jinpachi Mishima Can somewhat compete against Young Heihachi based on their Tag 2 outro but was canonically defeated by him and imprisoned Stated as being "no match" for Jin Feng Wei&Current Paul&Bryan Paul beat Ancient Ogre Kazuya in Tekken 6 says to Paul that he "isn't what he used to be" and his age is made note off. He doesn't get stronger over time like Mishimas Paul is washed up,plain and and simple. "Nowhere near the power of Bryan" Ok that actually validates you for a special needs individual. Paul literally MATCHED Bryans punching strength and in the patchislot cutscenes we see the continuation,which is that Bryan is send flying afterwards. Paul is on par with and STRONGER than Bryan King II Stated as being far superior to his predessesor.Is essentially the same but much larger. Wrestled on par with Paul in the patchislot Ancient Ogre Killed King I King I Beat Armor King I, achieved third place in the tournament putting him above Lee Chaolan Armor King I Raven Briefly traded blows against a heavily weakened Heihachi who had just woken from his coma. Got easily wrecked by Base Kazuya Asuka Jack 8 Base Kazumi Jack 6 Alisa Fought on par with Nina despite Nina being much more skilled Nina Anna
Overall i can agree with your list but i have a few objections. -Lee should be here because he technically defeated Alisa and kept up against Lars in battle he was also capable of dodging TDK beam. -Victor should be here because being potrayed to be above Raven like Lee he dodges TDK beam. -Jun should be here because she defeated Ancient Ogre which puts her at least on Paul tier. -Jack 6 and Asuka shouldn't be here Asuka barely does anything in series and Jack 6 has long since been surpassed by every character here. -King and AK shouldn't be here either because each character was weaker back then except i guess Paul and that's why he could reach 3rd place in tournament and King II should be lower than everyone you listed because having too few canon feats. -Kuma II, Law and Steve should also be here especially Kuma II since you take into account King II and weakest of characters i mentioned Steve rivals with him. All of characters here rivals with Paul and Kuma II managed to beat him once. -Bryan fighting Paul is a non canon thing + Paul still has an upper hand against him. -Leroy should be here on Paul/Feng tier or even above (he beats Feng and techincaly beats weakened Jin in 1st battle durning tournament) -Yoshimitsu and Zafina should get honorable mentions for having Azazel powers (although Yoshimitsu only non canon had it) Yoshimitsu also rivals with Bryan and beats him although it's non canon. -Hwoarang is bit overrated he was weaker than weakened Jin and lost fight with him. -Xiaoyu also deserves a place because for sparring against Jin then defeating Jack robots.
I really feel like the order of the mishimas get shaken up if we make a post-credits list I think Reina is #1 without a doubt once Jin and Kazuya lose the devil gene. However, I only think they would fall just beneath Lars at worst because they still are incredibly powerful without the gene.
It’s funny you mention that if they fought again, kaz would win, because it’s the implication the story makes when you beat the ending a second time as kazuya. He’s the one left standing. Cool video
Could you share your thoughts on Jin and Kazuya strength but WITHOUT Devil Gene power as it was shown in their final showdown at the end of T8? Do you think Jin has an edge because of the power of friendship or they're pretty much equal to each other?
Nope. The entire plot of his character story is the sword calling on him to go absorb the power of Azazel. Yoshi’s sword glows red not Pink/Purple like in the ending. Only Azazel’s power glows those colors. The implication is that after beating Azazel his sword gains Azazel’s power and possesses him.
As of the end of T8 with the current cast of alive characters, it’s probably looking like 1.) Reina (Devil Gene) Devil Gene transformation level gap 2.) Lars (Base Reina without the Gene would be under Lars) Massive Gap 3.) Jin 4.) Kazuya Notable gap 5 and below.) The superhuman fighters in no particular order (Brian, Leroy, Hwoarang, Victor etc)
I think Master Raven is alive if we're going by the T7 avenue of reasonings, I think this because I don't see them killing Master Raven like that. But also if it's between Master Raven being killed by a tank like a Newgrounds Silver shoots Miles 'Tails' Prower animation and Draganov escaping the caputure off screen... well. But finally in Raven's T8 rage art he refers to his new training (I believe thats an accurate quote) which could be a a call back to the reason Maven was in t7 in at all. In order to see if Raven who lost to Dragonov was indeed in need of new training. She fought Dragonov to see for herself. Anyway your accent is cool brother.
I remember watching your original and disagreed with quite a few points you made. I feel this one's a lot more accurate. I'd maybe swap a few characters around but this is good!
Feng defeated both Law and Paul at the same time. They literally ran away from him. And Paul has never beaten Bryan canonically. In fact Bryan has no canonical losses. At least none we’re aware of and certainly none after he was fitted with the Perpetual Engine that made him far more powerful.
17:00 i think the reason why is because king 1, once got 3rd place, but king 2 is way stronger anyway, and even then like you said, everyone has gotten so strong after the first 4 game
"He would absolutely wipe the floor with Hwoarang" 5:46 ye he would, with that fake devil gene powers he borrows every now and then 😂😂😂😂😂 he wasnt a "depowered" version of himself, he was just his human self without devil powers and got fked up. burh u ppl 😂 The double standards in this video. 15:40 here you say yoshimitsu cant defeeat bryan withuot azazels powers, but when jin defeats others with the devil powers, its his natural power. surreeeeeeeeee buddd 😂😂😂
Oh finally someone with brain cells tells truth to yoshimitsu fanboys. Only reason why they like yoshimitsu so much is, he uses sword and has interesting gameplay, he also has goofy moves... But lorewise he isn't powerful or interesting. İ mean, he isn't even in the main story.
But Victor himself pays respect to the guy. There's also Yoshimitsu the sword itself. Idk, I feel like they just haven't given Yoshi a proper opportunity to really shine in terms of ability
this was super fun to watch, though that reina video is waaay more compelling. people just wanna see their faves shouted out 😂 congrats man! side note, i’m pretty sure yoshi’s cursed sword is what powered him up in his ending, not azazel
Thanks glad you enjoyed it and no it was Azazel. Yoshi’s sword glows red not purple and Yoshi’s whole character story was about his sword calling to him telling him to go to Azazel. By the end he absorbs Azazel into his sword reaching a new level of power but also becoming possessed.
Disagree with a bunch of these Ogre canonically was beaten only by Paul in his prime and Jin, to claim just the helicopter is his best thing is absurb, let alone the T5 devil within says clearly Ogre monstruos form at the end took Jin all his power to take it out as the text says, let alone True Ogre survived long enough to battle Jin twice and go that form at the end Steve matches Hwoarang in a clash, fought Paul in Tekken 4 since te prologue in 5 depicts that, before they knew each other in 6, let alone beat Nina, only ending Steve finds out Nina is his mom is his, the fact you added her as a mention when she is below these characters is also unfounded King is portrayed to be a little more above Steve or at worst even, let alone beating Jack 7s, which Xiaoyu who did the same and was praised by Leroy and Jin as more powerful then they knew her was eventually getting tired, let alone previous stuff discussed, like what is this thinking King had no stuff lol Kuma is still at least even with Paul, you ignore how in T4 he beats him, while in T5 Paul wins yet was too tired from it to go on, let alone Paul says in T8 in story Kuma gets in his way a lot, the rocket argument is bad as well, its just for comic relief, let alone you imply like Paul could just take a rocket and be unfazed, only a character like Bryan would do it and thats simply cuz he shown to be bullet proof and explosion proof Feng beating Paul as you claimed in comments is unfounded, you ignore how Paul still put him down for a while at least in T7 Law ending and before you claim he got him off guard, Feng saw him before he delivered a hit as he announced his presence, let alone Feng screams in pain after it, Feng just scares them away when he gets up with a intimidating aura visibly seen I can go off about more characters, but its too much to write everything in a comment, but yeah most of these are ignoring sruff6 or making up headcanons on some
Ogre - I addressed all your points in the video. Steve - He never beat Nina. They fought and she left. Clashing with Paul doesn’t mean he beats Paul. A lot of characters clash with a lot of other characters they can’t beat. It’s not a relevant point. Paul also clashes with Law who he is shown beating. King - King can be even with Steve all he wants. Steve isn’t on the list so why would beating him put King here? Beating Jack 7s would also not put him on the list. Jack 7s are arguably the weakest characters on the roster. Did you forget during the war chapter literally every character you play as take on several Jack 7s at once from King, to Steve, to Raven, to Shaheen and more. They don’t all get on the list for that. It’s not an impressive feat when talking about the top tiers. A compliment from Leroy can’t suddenly be used as evidence of being top tier. Kuma - you didn’t watch part one. I did have Kuma above Paul. I never said Paul would take the rocket unfazed. Never even implied it. I simply said he wouldn’t be taken out of the fight completely by it. If that were the case he wouldn’t have been able to stand against Bryan at all who hits considerably harder than a small rocket. Feng - no it’s founded. Paul hit him once, Feng got up instantly, Paul and Law ran in fear. Pretty clear who won that engagement. Even if I didn’t count that Feng has some of the most impressive feats in the series far more so than Paul. It’s not even close. Didn’t make up anything, not headcanon.
@@rougarabid 1) You didnt adress anything for Ogre at all, you just gave him the helicopter feat and called it a day on devil within you didnt talk anything in detail 2) Ignorance at its finest, Steve and Nina met only in their stories of T7, just in Steve he finds out Nina is his mother, which is the only one he beats her, nice headcanon to claim he didnt, his bio acknowledges Steve story, let alone fits better with the narrative, also very nice you ignore the clashes with Hwoarang in T8, might also add that in T5 opening they fight as well, Steve visibly giving Hwoarang a scar too, Law never shown in the series anything close to Paul power, also most of their fights are just spars or planning staged stuff like in T6 3) Not impressive....for your info Jack 2 gets killed by a satellite laser, Gun Jack tanks it unlike his previous version and before you try to bring up that he used a forcefield, Jane was carried on his shoulder and just him covering her with his body alone wouldnt guarantee the blast would be lethal to her still and dont claim as non canon either, cuz Jack 5 shows Jack 2 and Gun Jack endings in flashbacks, aka they happened Jack 4s pilled up self destruct on a weakened Heihachi and knock him out for 1-2 months when T5 was already done Jack 5 is superior to that and Jack 6 is powerful enough to perform a feat of destroying a 6 miles diameter meteor and dont wanna hear any "Tag 2 isnt canon", endings like Steve and Leo give backstory which Tekken 7 brings up again those same things, Jaycee is mentioned as a thing for Julia, Baek ending is visual of his T2 bio about his father, might as well bring up T7 literally shows flashbacks to tag 1 and tag 2 scenes along the main games in the story final fight and dont try to ignore them to fit your narrative, flashbacks mean it has to have happened in order to even remember them to begin with Jack 7 is above Jack 6 and that brings us to some characters fighting Jack 7s, Shaheen for your info has the 50/50 chance to beat Dragunov, you didnt knew how strong he is till now and by his T8 ending he works as bodyguard to Lili, whom beat Jack 8 with Asuka together 4) i said Kuma record and the deal with Paul and Bryan, Kuma hit by a rocket is simply comedy moment, unless you wanna also take at face value Goku getting hurt by a rock, bullet or Bulma slapping his face and all hurt him, make the difference between comedic and serious 5) Feng didnt get up instantly.....the scene takes quite some time till it shows Feng get up on screen, its not instant, wanna know an instant get up? Hwoarang before Jin has the devil gene boost shown on his face, try again, also your logic is unfounded on the matter of "Feng shown better feats", Leroy didnt show any visual feats to Feng degree and still lost canonically to him or that any character in dragon ball after beerus who matches Goku power isnt strong due to no feats close to his ever, powerscaling exists for a reason, to have characters who beat or matches others with visual showings to them be placed in a similar range of power Last thing to add, what ifs are equally as valid for use for your info, within reason, Devil Jin blasting Earth is a scenario the devil took control and UN took Lars and the others out, you will tell me just cuz it didnt happen in main story, Devil Jin cant do that if ever an opportunity Also there are more things canon besides the main 8 games, either by Harada word or indications in story, but most youtubers like you or people who do lore rankings in general on internet arent even as informed or researched at a series as communities dedicated to figuring out how powerful characters are So unlike most of the users here who write you things, i do this for 10 years at this point, so i know what i talking about and you arent remotely accurate about many of these as you think
In tekken 5 hwoarang did beat jin, in your responses in the comments you said something like “jin was struggling against the devil gene” and “he wasn’t taking the fight seriously “ but the fact of the matter is the devil gene is never implied to be limiting Jin’s power and if it was that should mean that jinpachi is much lower on the list if he’s beaten by a weakened jin. Also you seem to be looking at hwoarangs cutscenes and ending from tekken 5 instead of his intro in tekken 6. Difference is in tekken 5 it’s shown that Jin walks off and comes back hours later in his devil form to beat hwoarang. But in hwoarang’s prologue in tekken 6 it’s said that hwoarang knocked jin out and then he transformed to take hwoarang out. This makes the fight look like it was taken seriously on both sides and jin transformed out of desperation like he has in every other instance and the prologues in the following games take priority over non canon endings.
Hwoarang ain’t touching Jin man. Jin himself has never taken any fight they’ve had seriously. Save for the one in 3 and 8. Which Hwo lost. In 5. It’s said in Jin’s prologue that he is losing control of the Devil Gene and that it gives him nightmares.
Also in Tekken 7, no matter who you playy as - Devil Jin or Hwoarang, in both cases Hwoarang was able to stand against DJin and saved him from grenade blast, temporary injuring his eye
I am biased, and reckon King is superior to Paul, based off of the tekken bloodline anime, and how he performs against Steve. Based off of the character episode we can also assume he wins in the story too
there was a time paul was on par with the mishima's and has beaten ogre's 1st form and would've probably beaten true ogre aswell if he didn't leave to early cause he thought he won 😢 how dirty this man has been done from tekken 4 onwards. and for king we gotta look at the tekken 8 story mode when you have the war scene. king is the only character that gets hype from all the soldiers around him. 'we got the king fighting with us, we can't lose.' so i do think lorewise he is up there if people get more confident if you have someone like him with you.
good videos man, but you gotta let your Kazuya bias go lol. Jin was deliberately shown to be the more powerful character, in and out of angel/devils forms. Jin essentially beat Kaz twice, I’m confused as to why you keep implying that Kazuya “could win in a rematch” or “has more potential than Jin”. No, Harada made it very clear that Jin is not only the superior fighter, but more powerful. It all makes sense too, Jin has mastered more styles of fighting than Kaz, and like you said, was always stronger than Kazuya in all games, except for 7 and the beginning of 8, when Jin was recovering from fighting Azazel.
Yeah i think jin and kazuya are dtill number 1. T9 will be like MKX where the most powerful fighters. Liu kang and Raiden don't go after the bad guy (shinnok). Because of they do the story would end quickly. So i think Namco will do this to jin and Kazuya. REINA WILL PROBABLY confronted one of them but they will beat her a bit and then tell her its not their fight and ask her to leave. And trust me on this, with jun back I'm sure jin and Kazuya will have some new Powers very soon..
Now that Jin and Kazuya don't have the devil gene anymore, it's pretty safe to say that Reina is now the strongest character in the verse, with her devil gene. Since, well. Heihachi do be dead tho.
Eh, she stood no chance against True Devil Kazuya, Lars fought against him significantly better… would it be pushing it if Lars took more after Heihachi like we saw in the story when he even reminded True devil Kazuya of him and he’s the new human devil slayer? If Heihachi surpassed/Fought on par with a devil gene holder in his base/Without it then 110% it’s possible Reina’s could simply make her more of a threat but not the biggest.🤔
@@Artryom I'd say they both did just as well as each other. Both of them were able to outright tank one of True Devil Kazuya's lasers and keep it pushing. Only thing is, Reina did it in base, and got the devil power from it. Base Reina was already on Lars's level, with devil gene, she hard surpasses him.
@@kaiju9645 She died by the same laser that hit him later when Kazuya was on a mission to finally kill Jin tho and protected him better, the story make sure to let us know to unlock it, you need to basically be put on the very brink of death like T3 Jin and the explanation. Reina was taken out of the battle by the laser that hit her but the same that hit Lars, he pretty much got right back up after in base, it was going to take two blasts to take out Lars and even then it didn't hit so we're uncertain. Base Lars is obviously ahead of base Reina but alright, I suppose if they plan her as the next primary antagonists they'll likely make her absurd for stakes. So far, the pendulum swings both ways between the two. A Devil Gene doesn't mean insta more powerful than someone else especially for a Mishima and a son of Heihachi.
@@Artryom Well, as you yourself said, she didn't die from the laser, she in fact survived it. They both have the ability to survive one laser, albeit with varying levels of success. Lars over base Reina is fine, but I'm arguing that pre-Reina's devil awakening, they're on the same tier, at least relative to each other in power imo. Heihachi is solidly above Base Kazuya by the time of Tekken 7, and he needs his Devil Form to defeat him. If Base Reina and Lars are on somewhat of an even playing field, with Lars having a clear advantage, Reina's devil should theoretically edge it out in her favor, just as how Kazuya's devil allowed him to defeat Heihachi. That's my speculation. Both Lars and Reina are Mishimas, and are children of Heihachi. They have access to the same levels of power. Only thing now is, one has a devil form, and the other does not.
@@kaiju9645 She didn't survive alone, her Devil awakening like with Jin in T3 is what saved her from death, meaning Pre-devil awakening should technically be significantly below Lars even in base but for the Devil gene to stay unique, fearsome and relevant I'm not against any of what you proposed. She should only be relative/Stronger in her devil form. Alls I'm saying is if the writers wanted to essentially lean in on him taking Heihachi's place like they have already so far, I'm not against it. Not personality, I mean human Devil Slayer, bro fought True Devil kazuya like him. Fans really call Reina Heihachi's replacement when they have very little in common.
Lars is actualy stronger than heihachi , and the reason why lars couldnt beat devil kazuya final form it is bcs kazuya has fused with azazel power , but if its just devil kazuya lars can beat him , + until now we still didnt see lars at his full power yet
Possibly… but Idk. We haven’t really spent so much time with this new version of Jin that utilizes all three forms of martial arts he’s learned yet. The last real fight Heihachi had with Jin, he lost… even BEFORE Jin used the Devil Gene in Tekken 4, but Heihachi was WAY stronger in 7 to be fair. But Jin has also mastered his technique at the end of Tekken 8 by combining styles… so you MIGHT be right, but at the same time I’d say we should wait for Tekken 9 for more evidence.
@@trevinodude I still think Jin would lose even with these different martial arts, heihachi fights tekken 7 true devil Kazuya and Jin just barely won against Kazuya. We know that heihachi would absolutely wipe base Kazuya sooo
@@inspirix95 It’s not that I’m biased. I did say it was possible. It’s that Idk how powerful the character really is without Devil Gene. No one does because… newsflash… it just happened at the end of the last game.
@@junk_bot_man6412 Idk why so many of you constantly say the anime from Netflix is non canon when Harada literally says in a video of it on Netflix channel that he loved it so much they wanna include it in the canon Do your research people
@@rougarabidI mean there technically not non canon according to Michael Murray he said there What-if scenarios like what will happen if A. Victor didn't trust Jin then your gonna get Devil Jin ending option B. Victor trust Jin then your gonna get peace due to having faith in Jin Such as Claudio ending stopping Azazel is possible sense he put a dent in True Devil kazuya he should be on this list
Why would Yoshi be above them? He has little to no canonical wins and has 0 wins against anyone on this list. I don’t have to prove why he shouldn’t be on the list, I have to prove why he should and Yoshi just doesn’t have the feats to justify it.
You realize I addressed this in the video right? It didn’t say he beat him. It says “Yoshimitsu got in the way of Bryan’s plans”. That’s not the same thing. It should also be noted that Bryan achieved his goal in Tekken 6 so Yoshi didn’t get in his way for long. Yoshi says in Tekken 8 that he will finally get his revenge on Bryan. This means he hasn’t done it yet. Yoshi has never beaten Bryan in canon and this is all explained in the video.
@@rougarabid First of all, Yoshi says he shall avenge his followers, not that he finally is Second of all, your argument that if he does he kills Bryan each time doesnt hold up, in T5 he beats him and Bryan gets away, he didnt achieve any goal, his whole deal is go on battlefields, T5 was to test his generator in the tournament Third of all, Yoshimitsu blade is cursed by itself, if you didnt notice that since T6, there is no implication he took Azazel power, especially since only characters who get a hold of his orb with the devil gene get a boost, which Zafina possesses only, the color argument is unfounded Let alone if Yoshi was weaker, Bryan should have easily won the clash exchange in their intro, wanna know a clear indication of characters above others? Feng with Asuka or Victor with Raven
@@tyrannosaurusrex4600 Your response says everything about you and that you do indeed fuck your own mother. Yes, I can also say completely unrelated shit to try and justify my rude behavior. Just a heads up, TH-cam isn’t a real place and most people are here to kill time and enjoy themselves. That’s what this channel is for. If you’re here to be a killjoy maybe this isn’t the channel for you. If you liked the video, great. If not, also great. Roast me and move on to things you do enjoy. If you are here to be a killjoy you won’t be taken seriously by me and I’ll continue to call you out for defiling the woman that birthed you you sick bastard.
would hwoarang beat feng or paul? I don't think so... and leroy is certainly strong but he is an old man. against a fighter in his prime like feng or dragunov I don't think he would stand a chance. same goes for victor. also also... a 500 lbs grizzly bear would probably beat every human character but I wouldn't include him nor yoshimitsu in these rankings because they make no sense in a 1v1 fistfight comparison. same with jack. an 8ft machine made of metal would wipe the floor with any human. reina is by far the most impressive newcomer but imo she didn't do enough. put up a great fight but lost to a weakened jin, held her own against devil kazuya. impressive but she was beat and we don't know if she is a a strong devil gene user or weak like kazumi. and of course akuma should definitely be on this list. he is up there with the mishimas in terms of power level. and he is canon^^
@@junk_bot_man6412 Right but remember Hei didn’t actually die went into hiding after Honmaru was blown up. In Ravens prologue for 6 he managed to find Hei and they fought. But Raven had been ordered back to headquarters so it never finished. So I guess it wasn’t a “draw” more than it was “inconclusive”. But the fact that Raven even managed to fight with him is telling to me. It wasn’t Azazel. It was NANCY. Forgive me shit was a long time ago lol. But Raven was able to throw NANCY unaided and defeated them off screen. He’s pretty strong in his own right.
@@RaymondBrown-lf4nw that fight with heihachi doesn’t mean anything because we don’t know anything about it. Maybe he was told to go back because he was going to lose. Remember he went to go train during tekken 7. That could be another reason why he did
Well well, why am I not surprised at all. A "remake" of a video that didn't made much sense STILL doesn't make much more sense than the original did. So you put a character like Victor Chevalier (he's the weakest in your list but still he's included here) who has done literally nothing in the story but the likes of Nina Williams or Kuma are left out despite doing SOMETHING in the story (even if it's defeating another character not featured here such as Anna). Why is Victor here again? Being armed with three different weapons surely doesn't count, not when you have 100% human characters who can literally dodge or parry bullets in this universe. About Heihachi, you go with the argument that everyone was weaker in the older Tekkens. Not Heihachi however, since in the older games he was YOUNGER, in his prime he could defeat and kill Devil Kazumi on his own, yes he would later get defeated by Kazuya in T1 but swiftly turned the table around in T2. You don't get the point that humans are stronger in their prime so being old age makes them weaker, not stronger. Paul was young when he fought Kazuya to a draw in T1 (they have similar age btw), and though in T3 he did defeat Ogre he was still younger than his current self so at this point he is weaker than in T3. You point out that Yoshimitsu has failed to defeat and kill Bryan so Yoshi has no business being in this list but then again, what has Bryan done anyway? They both are cyborgs, both theoretically having about the same power/strength but Yoshi is not here because "he didn't kill Bryan" while Bryan is here because he killed Yoshimitsu? No wait he didn't kill his enemy either. You keep putting in characters that have done nothing in terms of defeating other characters, while at the same time leaving out characters who either did qualifiable feats of power (by defeating others) or have power levels reasonably comparable to those who have done nothing.
@rougarabid I've always considered non canon endings like that as sort of what if scenarios, so the feats there don't happen in the universe, but do count towards how powerful a character is because they're technically possible (except stuff like mokujin's tekken 3 ending or ninas tekken 5 ending)
To an extent I agree. As you said there are clear cases when the noncanon stuff just straight up can’t be taken seriously as legitimate feats. In Tekken 6 pretty much every ending has the characters beating Azazel. I don’t believe for a second that the entire Tekken 6 roster can beat Azazel.
@rougarabid for sure no to the azazel feats like with wang and hwoarang, but when we see yoshimitsu and Brian fight, or stuff like devil jin's ending in 8, I've always taken it as harada showing us what these characters are capable of doing without having to break canon
@@rougarabid Yeah, but this was not character episode ending which makes everyone pretty powerful. It was an alternative MAIN story ending. I guess that's quite a difference
@@rougarabid Again, based on what, Harada said otherwise regarding the anime, his word vs yours Also Xiaoyu is pointed out by Leroy and Jin in story and dialogues she got stronger, let alone she faces off squads of Jack 7, on what basis Nina is above her given her best showing is beating Alisa, whom took out a Jack 6 in Campaign
Because it conflicts with the games. Paul makes it all the way to the finals in Tekken 3 and defeats Ogre. Him not getting credit for that victory is what leads him down his storyline of failure and depression the rest of the series follows. In the anime he loses in the first round to King and never fights Ogre. If the anime is canon it undoes Paul’s entire storyline for the past 5 games. This is one example but there are others where the anime can’t be canon with the games cause they conflict. Also Harada NEVER said it was canon. He said that people should watch it because there are things that are in it that are only seen as text in the games. The example he gave was Jin’s time with his mother but nowhere did he say that the show is completely canon to the point of replacing game canon.
@@rougarabid You dont even pay attention and it shows, Paul didnt fight in the 1st round with King, it was semifinals Also he said its canon, but why would you pay attention to things, especially things unique to the anime which they wanna include in the lore Its canon, so ifs or buts here, word of god > your opinion
@@blackdarkness6798 No, I didn’t finish it, it was bad. There’s a difference. Are you saying it didn’t conflict with the series? Cause if so…you didn’t pay attention. Also no he didn’t. I read the quote.
the absolute lowest you could put him (when he’s at his peak) is #2. no one other than kazuya is laying a finger on jin at his peak. this obviously changes when we take only his base form.
Why isn't gon, number 1 I'm sure he's been training real hard
I don't think Gon really count do to the fact that he's none cannon.
Because he's literally off the charts
As part of the 1K club whose seen your channel grow from 219 subs, firstly congrats on 1K and Secondly you have no idea how much I've been anticipating your next video. Thank you for uploading
Damn, you remember the exact sub number? That’s dedication. Much appreciated.
1. ''Red Dark Star'' Jin Kazama (Angel Form)
2. ''Blue Dark Star'' Kazuya Mishima (True Devil Form)
3. ''The King of Iron Fist'' Heihachi Mishima
4. ''Lion of the Rebellion'' Lars Alexandersson
5. ''Purple Lightning'' Reina (W/o Devil Form)
6. ''Strongest Fist'' Jinpachi Mishima (Prime)
7. ''Rectifier of All Things'' Azazel (True Form)
8. ''Banisher of Demons'' Claudio Serafino
9. ''God of Fightning'' Ogre (True Form)
10. Kazumi Hachijō Mishima (Devil Form)
11. ''Light of Hope'' Jun Kazama
12. ''Hot-Blooded Destroyer'' Paul Phoenix
13. ''Grandmaster of Drip'' Leroy Smith
14. ''God Fist'' Feng Wei
15. ''High Tech Annihilator'' Jack-8
16. ''Blood Talon'' Hwoarang
17. ''Silver-Haired Demon'' Lee Chaolan
18. ''Phantom Raven'' Victor Chevalier
19. ''Destroying Automaton'' Alisa Bosconovitch
20. ''Shadow Agent'' Raven
21. ''Silent Assassin'' Nina Williams
22. ''Dancing Phoenix'' Ling Xiaoyu
23. ''Master of the Salmon'' Kuma II
24. ''The Legendary Dragon'' Marshall Law
25. ''Harbinger of Chaos'' Bryan Fury
Well, tbh I would put Paul a little bit higher. He was able to get a draw with Kaz BEFORE T1 events and then pretty much on an equal footing he was fighting Kazuya during the actual tournament, but ultimately loses. And this is probably the most powerful Kazuya version (aside T8 maybe - I'm talking about base form). In Tekken: Bloodline (Netflix series) Heihachi even says that if it wasn't for Devil Gene, Kazuya would have lost. In T2 they didn't get to fight with each other because Paul got stuck in the traffic jam, but in T3 Paul was said to beat Ogre and then left before Ogre transformed into True Ogre. It was stated in his T4 prologue/bio.
Bloodline isn’t canon and makes massive changes to the story. It’s an adaptation and wasn’t even made by Bamco. As for the rest I explain all of your points in the video.
@@rougarabid
Harada said its canon, what are you talking about....also not being made by Namco doesnt mean its not canon, what is this thinking?
@@blackdarkness6798 i honestly wasn't aware of that. But this would mess up the character interaction between jin and leroy as they act like they've only just met.
@@EmperorGheal
It doesnt, Leroy points out during the fight a line about not using mishima style techniques which only in T3 he used, T8 we find out Jin uses the style again vs Kazuya when he points out he gave up on them, just to say he aint hesitating at this point to use them anymore, so lore wise Jin does his T3 moveset only at the very end
Also Leroy doesnt really act like he didnt met before, to Xiaoyu he has a line that she looks familiar and later in victory animations and his ending he knows her, only in the anime he met ever
Let alone Jin is the reason Leroy uses a cane, remember what he did to his leg? So yeah, some liberties were taken, yet Harada still loved even these
@@blackdarkness6798 I keep seeing people say this and have looked it up. He NEVER said it was canon. It can’t be it conflicts with several characters stories. He said there are parts that we never see in the games that he considers as the way they went down. That doesn’t mean the entire show is canon. King beating Paul in the Semi Finals in the anime and Going all the way in the games to even defeating Ogre can’t both be canon and considering that his arc in 4 - 8 would be completely undone if he lost to King in 3 means it couldn’t have possibly happened.
The Mishima Lightning that Lars use is more focus on speed and accuracy while Jin, Heihachi, Reina, and Kazuya used only the Lightning as a boost to their single attack. Like Lars has speed electric, while the Mishima's has Power electric.
Now the ACTUAL list
GOD TIER
Angel Jin
Consistently did a bit better than True Devil Kazuya and had the overall edge
His rage art damaged Devil severely while Angel Jin got up and continued after Devils rage art.
He was also trying to save TD Kazuya while TD Kazuya was trying to kill him.
Slightly above True Devil Kazuya for sure
True Devil Kazuya.
Obviously
Merged Devil Jin(one white wing)
Kazuya stated that this power would have propably beaten him if not for Azazels power.
Devil Kazuya-X(Full Devil from Tekken 7)
Shin Akuma
Final or "Ascended" Heihachi
Devil Jin(Classic/Evil)
TK8 Devil Kazuya(Advanced)
Stated by Zafina as having grown stronger.
Now has blue lasers and can use massive energy blasts
Stated as being far above Azazel and defeated him with ease
Akuma&Devil Kazuya(TK7 Rage Mode)
On par with Akuma who beat Heihachi
Devil Reina
She should be at this level i quess.
I dont care for her.
Golden Azazel
Jin needed to use a portion of the Devil Gene to kill him and he was put into a coma by the effort as he put everything into to it.
TOP TIER
Jin Kazama(Full Power Base)
Equal and slightly above Lars based on their first fight in the throne room.
Lars
On par and STRONGER than Kazuya in TK6 scenario campaign,sending Kazuya further back than Kaz did him,recovering while Kazuya was staggering who also chose to retreat.
Equal/or a tiny bit stronger than Heihachi
Defeated a WEAKENED Heihachi who was still retraining and getting back in shape after being in a coma
Heihachi
Stated as being stronger than when Akuma made his promise to Kazumi.
On par with&SLIGHTLY stronger than Kazuya.
Base Kazuya
Nearly completely equal to Heihachi and is consistently on par with him
Azazel
Nearly equal to Base form Mishimas based on the patchislot movies and Lars
Most likely was what possessed Jinpachi and should be more powerful than him
TK8 Hwoarang
On par with and superior to WEAKENED Jin
Jinpachi Mishima
Can somewhat compete against Young Heihachi based on their Tag 2 outro but was canonically defeated by him and imprisoned
Stated as being "no match" for Jin
Feng Wei&Current Paul&Bryan
Paul beat Ancient Ogre
Kazuya in Tekken 6 says to Paul that he "isn't what he used to be" and his age is made note off.
He doesn't get stronger over time like Mishimas
Paul is washed up,plain and and simple.
"Nowhere near the power of Bryan"
Ok that actually validates you for a special needs individual.
Paul literally MATCHED Bryans punching strength and in the patchislot cutscenes we see the continuation,which is that Bryan is send flying afterwards.
Paul is on par with and STRONGER than Bryan
King II
Stated as being far superior to his predessesor.Is essentially the same but much larger.
Wrestled on par with Paul in the patchislot
Ancient Ogre
Killed King I
King I
Beat Armor King I, achieved third place in the tournament putting him above Lee Chaolan
Armor King I
Raven
Briefly traded blows against a heavily weakened Heihachi who had just woken from his coma.
Got easily wrecked by Base Kazuya
Asuka
Jack 8
Base Kazumi
Jack 6
Alisa
Fought on par with Nina despite Nina being much more skilled
Nina
Anna
Overall i can agree with your list but i have a few objections.
-Lee should be here because he technically defeated Alisa and kept up against Lars in battle he was also capable of dodging TDK beam.
-Victor should be here because being potrayed to be above Raven like Lee he dodges TDK beam.
-Jun should be here because she defeated Ancient Ogre which puts her at least on Paul tier.
-Jack 6 and Asuka shouldn't be here Asuka barely does anything in series and Jack 6 has long since been surpassed by every character here.
-King and AK shouldn't be here either because each character was weaker back then except i guess Paul and that's why he could reach 3rd place in tournament and King II should be lower than everyone you listed because having too few canon feats.
-Kuma II, Law and Steve should also be here especially Kuma II since you take into account King II and weakest of characters i mentioned Steve rivals with him. All of characters here rivals with Paul and Kuma II managed to beat him once.
-Bryan fighting Paul is a non canon thing + Paul still has an upper hand against him.
-Leroy should be here on Paul/Feng tier or even above (he beats Feng and techincaly beats weakened Jin in 1st battle durning tournament)
-Yoshimitsu and Zafina should get honorable mentions for having Azazel powers (although Yoshimitsu only non canon had it) Yoshimitsu also rivals with Bryan and beats him although it's non canon.
-Hwoarang is bit overrated he was weaker than weakened Jin and lost fight with him.
-Xiaoyu also deserves a place because for sparring against Jin then defeating Jack robots.
I really feel like the order of the mishimas get shaken up if we make a post-credits list
I think Reina is #1 without a doubt once Jin and Kazuya lose the devil gene. However, I only think they would fall just beneath Lars at worst because they still are incredibly powerful without the gene.
Reina def number 1
It’s funny you mention that if they fought again, kaz would win, because it’s the implication the story makes when you beat the ending a second time as kazuya. He’s the one left standing. Cool video
Can't wait for the re-re-release of this video when the trailer for the 5th dlc character of T8 drops
Could you share your thoughts on Jin and Kazuya strength but WITHOUT Devil Gene power as it was shown in their final showdown at the end of T8? Do you think Jin has an edge because of the power of friendship or they're pretty much equal to each other?
15:33 "power of azazel" 😭 bro probably didnt know his sword took over his mind and just summed it up to azazel
Nope. The entire plot of his character story is the sword calling on him to go absorb the power of Azazel. Yoshi’s sword glows red not Pink/Purple like in the ending. Only Azazel’s power glows those colors. The implication is that after beating Azazel his sword gains Azazel’s power and possesses him.
@@rougarabid bro has not watched the lore video
Well by all means enlighten me.
@@rougarabid literally just look it up it ain't that hard
Nah. I’ve seen all the official Namco lore videos. My videos aren’t based on fanfiction.
As of the end of T8 with the current cast of alive characters, it’s probably looking like
1.) Reina (Devil Gene)
Devil Gene transformation level gap
2.) Lars
(Base Reina without the Gene would be under Lars)
Massive Gap
3.) Jin
4.) Kazuya
Notable gap
5 and below.) The superhuman fighters in no particular order (Brian, Leroy, Hwoarang, Victor etc)
I think Master Raven is alive if we're going by the T7 avenue of reasonings, I think this because I don't see them killing Master Raven like that. But also if it's between Master Raven being killed by a tank like a Newgrounds Silver shoots Miles 'Tails' Prower animation and Draganov escaping the caputure off screen... well. But finally in Raven's T8 rage art he refers to his new training (I believe thats an accurate quote) which could be a a call back to the reason Maven was in t7 in at all. In order to see if Raven who lost to Dragonov was indeed in need of new training. She fought Dragonov to see for herself. Anyway your accent is cool brother.
Ohh but i really hope she aint deaddd brother nooooo
damn i already liked and subbed cause of ur passion, also gad dam ur accent is clean AF
Steve Fox is still my favorite character to play with
How come Jun isnt on the list?
Really wish my main Steve got more attention and a buff in canon power level. And a better t8 ending.
the whole point of being rivals is, being similar in strength so you can duel eachother every now and then. brooooooooo are you for real
Yes.
🤡@@rougarabid
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This guy underrates Paul with a passion, he beat Ogre and Bryan, draw with Kazuya and I think he could bearly beat Feng Wei, Devil Kazumi and Lars
Paul hasn't increased sense then even kazuya said to him in TK6 you weren't your former self in the past
Will you make a top 10 strongest female Tekken characters?
Congrats on 1k
I remember watching your original and disagreed with quite a few points you made. I feel this one's a lot more accurate. I'd maybe swap a few characters around but this is good!
Putting Paul so low is crazy. Under Feng and Bryan who he canonically beats
Feng defeated both Law and Paul at the same time. They literally ran away from him. And Paul has never beaten Bryan canonically. In fact Bryan has no canonical losses. At least none we’re aware of and certainly none after he was fitted with the Perpetual Engine that made him far more powerful.
17:00 i think the reason why is because king 1, once got 3rd place, but king 2 is way stronger anyway, and even then like you said, everyone has gotten so strong after the first 4 game
Congratulations on your thousand subs man. You definitely deserve that and more. Hoping your channel continues to grow in the future.🙂
Thanks, man and thank you for sticking around. I enjoy your comments.
Yoshimitsu beat bryan in tekken 5, but bryan ran before he killed him
"He would absolutely wipe the floor with Hwoarang" 5:46
ye he would, with that fake devil gene powers he borrows every now and then 😂😂😂😂😂
he wasnt a "depowered" version of himself, he was just his human self without devil powers and got fked up. burh u ppl 😂
The double standards in this video. 15:40
here you say yoshimitsu cant defeeat bryan withuot azazels powers, but when jin defeats others with the devil powers, its his natural power. surreeeeeeeeee buddd 😂😂😂
What do you mean Lucky Chloe can solo the verse, bro?! What a shit take!…See I can make up arguments you never made too.
i even put timestamps on when and what you said BRUV @@rougarabid
“When Jin defeats others with the Devil Gene it’s his natural power”
Never made this claim or showed any double standard.
Oh finally someone with brain cells tells truth to yoshimitsu fanboys. Only reason why they like yoshimitsu so much is, he uses sword and has interesting gameplay, he also has goofy moves... But lorewise he isn't powerful or interesting. İ mean, he isn't even in the main story.
But Victor himself pays respect to the guy. There's also Yoshimitsu the sword itself. Idk, I feel like they just haven't given Yoshi a proper opportunity to really shine in terms of ability
this was super fun to watch, though that reina video is waaay more compelling. people just wanna see their faves shouted out 😂 congrats man! side note, i’m pretty sure yoshi’s cursed sword is what powered him up in his ending, not azazel
Thanks glad you enjoyed it and no it was Azazel. Yoshi’s sword glows red not purple and Yoshi’s whole character story was about his sword calling to him telling him to go to Azazel. By the end he absorbs Azazel into his sword reaching a new level of power but also becoming possessed.
I love your Tekken videos bro
Glad you enjoy them. There will be more to come.
Subbing cause descusing marshal arts in your accent is great
It’s what I do.
So we're just assuming the canon ending is Jin?
Yes
Disagree with a bunch of these
Ogre canonically was beaten only by Paul in his prime and Jin, to claim just the helicopter is his best thing is absurb, let alone the T5 devil within says clearly Ogre monstruos form at the end took Jin all his power to take it out as the text says, let alone True Ogre survived long enough to battle Jin twice and go that form at the end
Steve matches Hwoarang in a clash, fought Paul in Tekken 4 since te prologue in 5 depicts that, before they knew each other in 6, let alone beat Nina, only ending Steve finds out Nina is his mom is his, the fact you added her as a mention when she is below these characters is also unfounded
King is portrayed to be a little more above Steve or at worst even, let alone beating Jack 7s, which Xiaoyu who did the same and was praised by Leroy and Jin as more powerful then they knew her was eventually getting tired, let alone previous stuff discussed, like what is this thinking King had no stuff lol
Kuma is still at least even with Paul, you ignore how in T4 he beats him, while in T5 Paul wins yet was too tired from it to go on, let alone Paul says in T8 in story Kuma gets in his way a lot, the rocket argument is bad as well, its just for comic relief, let alone you imply like Paul could just take a rocket and be unfazed, only a character like Bryan would do it and thats simply cuz he shown to be bullet proof and explosion proof
Feng beating Paul as you claimed in comments is unfounded, you ignore how Paul still put him down for a while at least in T7 Law ending and before you claim he got him off guard, Feng saw him before he delivered a hit as he announced his presence, let alone Feng screams in pain after it, Feng just scares them away when he gets up with a intimidating aura visibly seen
I can go off about more characters, but its too much to write everything in a comment, but yeah most of these are ignoring sruff6 or making up headcanons on some
dont worry about it, this guy didnt do any research when making this video, just trusted in his biases
Ogre - I addressed all your points in the video.
Steve - He never beat Nina. They fought and she left. Clashing with Paul doesn’t mean he beats Paul. A lot of characters clash with a lot of other characters they can’t beat. It’s not a relevant point. Paul also clashes with Law who he is shown beating.
King - King can be even with Steve all he wants. Steve isn’t on the list so why would beating him put King here? Beating Jack 7s would also not put him on the list. Jack 7s are arguably the weakest characters on the roster. Did you forget during the war chapter literally every character you play as take on several Jack 7s at once from King, to Steve, to Raven, to Shaheen and more. They don’t all get on the list for that. It’s not an impressive feat when talking about the top tiers. A compliment from Leroy can’t suddenly be used as evidence of being top tier.
Kuma - you didn’t watch part one. I did have Kuma above Paul. I never said Paul would take the rocket unfazed. Never even implied it. I simply said he wouldn’t be taken out of the fight completely by it. If that were the case he wouldn’t have been able to stand against Bryan at all who hits considerably harder than a small rocket.
Feng - no it’s founded. Paul hit him once, Feng got up instantly, Paul and Law ran in fear. Pretty clear who won that engagement. Even if I didn’t count that Feng has some of the most impressive feats in the series far more so than Paul. It’s not even close.
Didn’t make up anything, not headcanon.
@@rougarabid
1) You didnt adress anything for Ogre at all, you just gave him the helicopter feat and called it a day on devil within you didnt talk anything in detail
2) Ignorance at its finest, Steve and Nina met only in their stories of T7, just in Steve he finds out Nina is his mother, which is the only one he beats her, nice headcanon to claim he didnt, his bio acknowledges Steve story, let alone fits better with the narrative, also very nice you ignore the clashes with Hwoarang in T8, might also add that in T5 opening they fight as well, Steve visibly giving Hwoarang a scar too, Law never shown in the series anything close to Paul power, also most of their fights are just spars or planning staged stuff like in T6
3) Not impressive....for your info Jack 2 gets killed by a satellite laser, Gun Jack tanks it unlike his previous version and before you try to bring up that he used a forcefield, Jane was carried on his shoulder and just him covering her with his body alone wouldnt guarantee the blast would be lethal to her still and dont claim as non canon either, cuz Jack 5 shows Jack 2 and Gun Jack endings in flashbacks, aka they happened
Jack 4s pilled up self destruct on a weakened Heihachi and knock him out for 1-2 months when T5 was already done
Jack 5 is superior to that and Jack 6 is powerful enough to perform a feat of destroying a 6 miles diameter meteor and dont wanna hear any "Tag 2 isnt canon", endings like Steve and Leo give backstory which Tekken 7 brings up again those same things, Jaycee is mentioned as a thing for Julia, Baek ending is visual of his T2 bio about his father, might as well bring up T7 literally shows flashbacks to tag 1 and tag 2 scenes along the main games in the story final fight and dont try to ignore them to fit your narrative, flashbacks mean it has to have happened in order to even remember them to begin with
Jack 7 is above Jack 6 and that brings us to some characters fighting Jack 7s, Shaheen for your info has the 50/50 chance to beat Dragunov, you didnt knew how strong he is till now and by his T8 ending he works as bodyguard to Lili, whom beat Jack 8 with Asuka together
4) i said Kuma record and the deal with Paul and Bryan, Kuma hit by a rocket is simply comedy moment, unless you wanna also take at face value Goku getting hurt by a rock, bullet or Bulma slapping his face and all hurt him, make the difference between comedic and serious
5) Feng didnt get up instantly.....the scene takes quite some time till it shows Feng get up on screen, its not instant, wanna know an instant get up? Hwoarang before Jin has the devil gene boost shown on his face, try again, also your logic is unfounded on the matter of "Feng shown better feats", Leroy didnt show any visual feats to Feng degree and still lost canonically to him or that any character in dragon ball after beerus who matches Goku power isnt strong due to no feats close to his ever, powerscaling exists for a reason, to have characters who beat or matches others with visual showings to them be placed in a similar range of power
Last thing to add, what ifs are equally as valid for use for your info, within reason, Devil Jin blasting Earth is a scenario the devil took control and UN took Lars and the others out, you will tell me just cuz it didnt happen in main story, Devil Jin cant do that if ever an opportunity
Also there are more things canon besides the main 8 games, either by Harada word or indications in story, but most youtubers like you or people who do lore rankings in general on internet arent even as informed or researched at a series as communities dedicated to figuring out how powerful characters are
So unlike most of the users here who write you things, i do this for 10 years at this point, so i know what i talking about and you arent remotely accurate about many of these as you think
Can someone please tell me what the background music for this video is?
Aint no way bryan is above Feng
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1:06 just got you a follow 🤣🤣😭
In tekken 5 hwoarang did beat jin, in your responses in the comments you said something like “jin was struggling against the devil gene” and “he wasn’t taking the fight seriously “ but the fact of the matter is the devil gene is never implied to be limiting Jin’s power and if it was that should mean that jinpachi is much lower on the list if he’s beaten by a weakened jin. Also you seem to be looking at hwoarangs cutscenes and ending from tekken 5 instead of his intro in tekken 6. Difference is in tekken 5 it’s shown that Jin walks off and comes back hours later in his devil form to beat hwoarang. But in hwoarang’s prologue in tekken 6 it’s said that hwoarang knocked jin out and then he transformed to take hwoarang out. This makes the fight look like it was taken seriously on both sides and jin transformed out of desperation like he has in every other instance and the prologues in the following games take priority over non canon endings.
Hwoarang ain’t touching Jin man. Jin himself has never taken any fight they’ve had seriously. Save for the one in 3 and 8. Which Hwo lost.
In 5. It’s said in Jin’s prologue that he is losing control of the Devil Gene and that it gives him nightmares.
Also in Tekken 7, no matter who you playy as - Devil Jin or Hwoarang, in both cases Hwoarang was able to stand against DJin and saved him from grenade blast, temporary injuring his eye
Well king fought Jin and Paul in tekken bloodline
I would says Lars is above Heihachi because he fought True Devil Kazuya who absorbed Azazel
I really hope Heihachi comes back.
I am biased, and reckon King is superior to Paul, based off of the tekken bloodline anime, and how he performs against Steve. Based off of the character episode we can also assume he wins in the story too
there was a time paul was on par with the mishima's and has beaten ogre's 1st form and would've probably beaten true ogre aswell if he didn't leave to early cause he thought he won 😢 how dirty this man has been done from tekken 4 onwards. and for king we gotta look at the tekken 8 story mode when you have the war scene. king is the only character that gets hype from all the soldiers around him. 'we got the king fighting with us, we can't lose.' so i do think lorewise he is up there if people get more confident if you have someone like him with you.
good videos man, but you gotta let your Kazuya bias go lol. Jin was deliberately shown to be the more powerful character, in and out of angel/devils forms. Jin essentially beat Kaz twice, I’m confused as to why you keep implying that Kazuya “could win in a rematch” or “has more potential than Jin”. No, Harada made it very clear that Jin is not only the superior fighter, but more powerful. It all makes sense too, Jin has mastered more styles of fighting than Kaz, and like you said, was always stronger than Kazuya in all games, except for 7 and the beginning of 8, when Jin was recovering from fighting Azazel.
Something you didn't know Steve won the fight against Nena
Yeah i think jin and kazuya are dtill number 1. T9 will be like MKX where the most powerful fighters. Liu kang and Raiden don't go after the bad guy (shinnok). Because of they do the story would end quickly. So i think Namco will do this to jin and Kazuya. REINA WILL PROBABLY confronted one of them but they will beat her a bit and then tell her its not their fight and ask her to leave. And trust me on this, with jun back I'm sure jin and Kazuya will have some new Powers very soon..
Have you seen Steve’s ending my guy.
And then
Now that Jin and Kazuya don't have the devil gene anymore, it's pretty safe to say that Reina is now the strongest character in the verse, with her devil gene. Since, well. Heihachi do be dead tho.
Eh, she stood no chance against True Devil Kazuya, Lars fought against him significantly better… would it be pushing it if Lars took more after Heihachi like we saw in the story when he even reminded True devil Kazuya of him and he’s the new human devil slayer? If Heihachi surpassed/Fought on par with a devil gene holder in his base/Without it then 110% it’s possible Reina’s could simply make her more of a threat but not the biggest.🤔
@@Artryom I'd say they both did just as well as each other. Both of them were able to outright tank one of True Devil Kazuya's lasers and keep it pushing. Only thing is, Reina did it in base, and got the devil power from it. Base Reina was already on Lars's level, with devil gene, she hard surpasses him.
@@kaiju9645 She died by the same laser that hit him later when Kazuya was on a mission to finally kill Jin tho and protected him better, the story make sure to let us know to unlock it, you need to basically be put on the very brink of death like T3 Jin and the explanation. Reina was taken out of the battle by the laser that hit her but the same that hit Lars, he pretty much got right back up after in base, it was going to take two blasts to take out Lars and even then it didn't hit so we're uncertain.
Base Lars is obviously ahead of base Reina but alright, I suppose if they plan her as the next primary antagonists they'll likely make her absurd for stakes. So far, the pendulum swings both ways between the two. A Devil Gene doesn't mean insta more powerful than someone else especially for a Mishima and a son of Heihachi.
@@Artryom Well, as you yourself said, she didn't die from the laser, she in fact survived it. They both have the ability to survive one laser, albeit with varying levels of success. Lars over base Reina is fine, but I'm arguing that pre-Reina's devil awakening, they're on the same tier, at least relative to each other in power imo.
Heihachi is solidly above Base Kazuya by the time of Tekken 7, and he needs his Devil Form to defeat him. If Base Reina and Lars are on somewhat of an even playing field, with Lars having a clear advantage, Reina's devil should theoretically edge it out in her favor, just as how Kazuya's devil allowed him to defeat Heihachi. That's my speculation.
Both Lars and Reina are Mishimas, and are children of Heihachi. They have access to the same levels of power. Only thing now is, one has a devil form, and the other does not.
@@kaiju9645 She didn't survive alone, her Devil awakening like with Jin in T3 is what saved her from death, meaning Pre-devil awakening should technically be significantly below Lars even in base but for the Devil gene to stay unique, fearsome and relevant I'm not against any of what you proposed. She should only be relative/Stronger in her devil form. Alls I'm saying is if the writers wanted to essentially lean in on him taking Heihachi's place like they have already so far, I'm not against it. Not personality, I mean human Devil Slayer, bro fought True Devil kazuya like him. Fans really call Reina Heihachi's replacement when they have very little in common.
Whole story of Tekken 8 is just like Naruto
#buffxiaoyu
Lars is actualy stronger than heihachi , and the reason why lars couldnt beat devil kazuya final form it is bcs kazuya has fused with azazel power , but if its just devil kazuya lars can beat him , + until now we still didnt see lars at his full power yet
Lars is now the strongest human, not bad, not bad.
Since Both Jin and Kazyua lost their devil power
I think Heihachi should be number 1 , no one can defeat Heihachi without a power boost
Possibly… but Idk. We haven’t really spent so much time with this new version of Jin that utilizes all three forms of martial arts he’s learned yet. The last real fight Heihachi had with Jin, he lost… even BEFORE Jin used the Devil Gene in Tekken 4, but Heihachi was WAY stronger in 7 to be fair. But Jin has also mastered his technique at the end of Tekken 8 by combining styles… so you MIGHT be right, but at the same time I’d say we should wait for Tekken 9 for more evidence.
@@trevinodude I still think Jin would lose even with these different martial arts, heihachi fights tekken 7 true devil Kazuya and Jin just barely won against Kazuya. We know that heihachi would absolutely wipe base Kazuya sooo
easily but this guy is jin biased and didnt do any research
@@inspirix95 It’s not that I’m biased. I did say it was possible. It’s that Idk how powerful the character really is without Devil Gene. No one does because… newsflash… it just happened at the end of the last game.
@@trevinodude but there’s little no questioning it, jin is no longer the strongest
Kazuya ending in tekken 8 IS the canon ending
All his shoes hyyyy
Is there any proof or anything to support that
It isn’t
@@junk_bot_man6412nope he is just making it up
To be fair, king was destroying EVERYONE in the anime 😂 bro was the final boss fr
Not cannon tho
@@junk_bot_man6412
Idk why so many of you constantly say the anime from Netflix is non canon when Harada literally says in a video of it on Netflix channel that he loved it so much they wanna include it in the canon
Do your research people
Claudio should have been on thelust too
I explain why he’s not it the video.
@@rougarabidI mean there technically not non canon according to Michael Murray he said there What-if scenarios like what will happen if
A. Victor didn't trust Jin then your gonna get Devil Jin ending option
B. Victor trust Jin then your gonna get peace due to having faith in Jin
Such as Claudio ending stopping Azazel is possible sense he put a dent in True Devil kazuya he should be on this list
You explained why yoshi is weaker than bryan...but what about everyone before him?
Why would Yoshi be above them? He has little to no canonical wins and has 0 wins against anyone on this list. I don’t have to prove why he shouldn’t be on the list, I have to prove why he should and Yoshi just doesn’t have the feats to justify it.
@@rougarabid You realize Bryan T6 prologue says Yoshimitsu beat him....also he beat characters like Ganryu in Tekken 1
You realize I addressed this in the video right? It didn’t say he beat him. It says “Yoshimitsu got in the way of Bryan’s plans”. That’s not the same thing. It should also be noted that Bryan achieved his goal in Tekken 6 so Yoshi didn’t get in his way for long. Yoshi says in Tekken 8 that he will finally get his revenge on Bryan. This means he hasn’t done it yet. Yoshi has never beaten Bryan in canon and this is all explained in the video.
@@rougarabid
First of all, Yoshi says he shall avenge his followers, not that he finally is
Second of all, your argument that if he does he kills Bryan each time doesnt hold up, in T5 he beats him and Bryan gets away, he didnt achieve any goal, his whole deal is go on battlefields, T5 was to test his generator in the tournament
Third of all, Yoshimitsu blade is cursed by itself, if you didnt notice that since T6, there is no implication he took Azazel power, especially since only characters who get a hold of his orb with the devil gene get a boost, which Zafina possesses only, the color argument is unfounded
Let alone if Yoshi was weaker, Bryan should have easily won the clash exchange in their intro, wanna know a clear indication of characters above others? Feng with Asuka or Victor with Raven
that guys entire video doesnt make any sense@@blackdarkness6798
This dude watched tekken lore from tiktok
This dude fucks his own mother. You see? I can just make up shit too.
@@rougarabid your response said everything about you and how nicely you just proved my previous comment right
@@tyrannosaurusrex4600 Your response says everything about you and that you do indeed fuck your own mother.
Yes, I can also say completely unrelated shit to try and justify my rude behavior.
Just a heads up, TH-cam isn’t a real place and most people are here to kill time and enjoy themselves. That’s what this channel is for. If you’re here to be a killjoy maybe this isn’t the channel for you. If you liked the video, great. If not, also great. Roast me and move on to things you do enjoy. If you are here to be a killjoy you won’t be taken seriously by me and I’ll continue to call you out for defiling the woman that birthed you you sick bastard.
Yeah ever since seeing hwoarang that low I don’t believe anything you say 😂 and the azazel being at 5? Please stop making these lists 😭
…no.
21 and a half minutes of yapping
I suppose you clicked on a 21 and a half minute list video expecting the musical stylings of Frank Sinatra instead
its crazy how uninformed one can be and still bust out a video like this
would hwoarang beat feng or paul? I don't think so...
and leroy is certainly strong but he is an old man. against a fighter in his prime like feng or dragunov I don't think he would stand a chance. same goes for victor.
also also... a 500 lbs grizzly bear would probably beat every human character but I wouldn't include him nor yoshimitsu in these rankings because they make no sense in a 1v1 fistfight comparison. same with jack. an 8ft machine made of metal would wipe the floor with any human. reina is by far the most impressive newcomer but imo she didn't do enough. put up a great fight but lost to a weakened jin, held her own against devil kazuya. impressive but she was beat and we don't know if she is a a strong devil gene user or weak like kazumi.
and of course akuma should definitely be on this list. he is up there with the mishimas in terms of power level. and he is canon^^
I love king ❤❤❤❤
Bryan is too highwhen has it ever been confirmed thzt paul lost to bryan?
It hasn’t and I didn’t say he did.
Didn’t Raven fight to draw with Hei and drop Azazel? I ain’t saying he’s super powerful but there’s a case that he’s top 15
When? Heihachi was dead in 5. And he wasn’t anywhere in 6 and I know he never fought azazel
@@junk_bot_man6412 Right but remember Hei didn’t actually die went into hiding after Honmaru was blown up. In Ravens prologue for 6 he managed to find Hei and they fought. But Raven had been ordered back to headquarters so it never finished. So I guess it wasn’t a “draw” more than it was “inconclusive”. But the fact that Raven even managed to fight with him is telling to me.
It wasn’t Azazel. It was NANCY. Forgive me shit was a long time ago lol. But Raven was able to throw NANCY unaided and defeated them off screen. He’s pretty strong in his own right.
@@RaymondBrown-lf4nw that fight with heihachi doesn’t mean anything because we don’t know anything about it. Maybe he was told to go back because he was going to lose. Remember he went to go train during tekken 7. That could be another reason why he did
Okay but isn't akuma canon so where is he
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I explain in the 1st video why he isn’t used.
@@rougarabid k thanks
Well well, why am I not surprised at all. A "remake" of a video that didn't made much sense STILL doesn't make much more sense than the original did.
So you put a character like Victor Chevalier (he's the weakest in your list but still he's included here) who has done literally nothing in the story but the likes of Nina Williams or Kuma are left out despite doing SOMETHING in the story (even if it's defeating another character not featured here such as Anna). Why is Victor here again? Being armed with three different weapons surely doesn't count, not when you have 100% human characters who can literally dodge or parry bullets in this universe.
About Heihachi, you go with the argument that everyone was weaker in the older Tekkens. Not Heihachi however, since in the older games he was YOUNGER, in his prime he could defeat and kill Devil Kazumi on his own, yes he would later get defeated by Kazuya in T1 but swiftly turned the table around in T2. You don't get the point that humans are stronger in their prime so being old age makes them weaker, not stronger. Paul was young when he fought Kazuya to a draw in T1 (they have similar age btw), and though in T3 he did defeat Ogre he was still younger than his current self so at this point he is weaker than in T3.
You point out that Yoshimitsu has failed to defeat and kill Bryan so Yoshi has no business being in this list but then again, what has Bryan done anyway? They both are cyborgs, both theoretically having about the same power/strength but Yoshi is not here because "he didn't kill Bryan" while Bryan is here because he killed Yoshimitsu? No wait he didn't kill his enemy either. You keep putting in characters that have done nothing in terms of defeating other characters, while at the same time leaving out characters who either did qualifiable feats of power (by defeating others) or have power levels reasonably comparable to those who have done nothing.
Funny…a guy who claims to have seen both videos but complains about shit that was explained in said videos. Isn’t the internet a fun place?
There is another ending where kazuya beat jin sooooo
Which is most certainly non canon.
@rougarabid I've always considered non canon endings like that as sort of what if scenarios, so the feats there don't happen in the universe, but do count towards how powerful a character is because they're technically possible (except stuff like mokujin's tekken 3 ending or ninas tekken 5 ending)
To an extent I agree. As you said there are clear cases when the noncanon stuff just straight up can’t be taken seriously as legitimate feats. In Tekken 6 pretty much every ending has the characters beating Azazel. I don’t believe for a second that the entire Tekken 6 roster can beat Azazel.
@rougarabid for sure no to the azazel feats like with wang and hwoarang, but when we see yoshimitsu and Brian fight, or stuff like devil jin's ending in 8, I've always taken it as harada showing us what these characters are capable of doing without having to break canon
@@rougarabid Yeah, but this was not character episode ending which makes everyone pretty powerful. It was an alternative MAIN story ending. I guess that's quite a difference
Ogre is the weakest character in the series, confirmed.
Other than the characters that he killed.....
....which is no one.
akuma need number 1
Paul beat ogre
Ogre isn’t on the list.
Nina also lost to Xiao
If you’re referring to the anime that is a completely different continuity.
@@rougarabid
Again, based on what, Harada said otherwise regarding the anime, his word vs yours
Also Xiaoyu is pointed out by Leroy and Jin in story and dialogues she got stronger, let alone she faces off squads of Jack 7, on what basis Nina is above her given her best showing is beating Alisa, whom took out a Jack 6 in Campaign
Because it conflicts with the games. Paul makes it all the way to the finals in Tekken 3 and defeats Ogre. Him not getting credit for that victory is what leads him down his storyline of failure and depression the rest of the series follows. In the anime he loses in the first round to King and never fights Ogre. If the anime is canon it undoes Paul’s entire storyline for the past 5 games. This is one example but there are others where the anime can’t be canon with the games cause they conflict.
Also Harada NEVER said it was canon. He said that people should watch it because there are things that are in it that are only seen as text in the games. The example he gave was Jin’s time with his mother but nowhere did he say that the show is completely canon to the point of replacing game canon.
@@rougarabid
You dont even pay attention and it shows, Paul didnt fight in the 1st round with King, it was semifinals
Also he said its canon, but why would you pay attention to things, especially things unique to the anime which they wanna include in the lore
Its canon, so ifs or buts here, word of god > your opinion
@@blackdarkness6798 No, I didn’t finish it, it was bad. There’s a difference. Are you saying it didn’t conflict with the series? Cause if so…you didn’t pay attention. Also no he didn’t. I read the quote.
Jin is so OVERRATED lol
the absolute lowest you could put him (when he’s at his peak) is #2. no one other than kazuya is laying a finger on jin at his peak. this obviously changes when we take only his base form.
@@slumptrid jin is trash without his fake devil powers. now that he lost them, he is nothign but average in the tekken verse
Aye
Whole story of Tekken 8 is just like Naruto