I mean, force choking Paul would seem to work pretty well. And we do see Luke using force choke in return of the Jedi, and not like Vader uses it where it is a constant choke, like just casually waves his hand and force chokes two aliens into unconsciousness nigh instantly.
Not to mention EU Luke's Force powers are far greater then Rouga downplays them to be. It amplifies many of his combat stances already and this is a guy who went head to head with Abeloth alongside Darth Krayt despite Abeloth being 12 times more powerful then him and held his ground. Downplaying that and claiming Paul is better is not sensible to me at all plus Luke is incredible tenacious and is resistance to mind manipulations with the Force from Sith Lords. The Bene Gesserit have nothing on Palpatine.
Vader was able to force choke an imperial officer who was on a different star destroyer during casual conversation, no hand waving or significant strain needed. That went through all the physical armor and hull of both ships as well as their energy shields over god knows how much distance, and that's just from the original trilogy. I think Luke wouldn't have much trouble here, and it wouldn't matter if Paul could see it coming.
luke losing to Paul? Hell naw man. The force can absolutely go through his armor. The reasons force people don't just snap people necks in star wars is midichlorians stop you form doing that. We literally see vadar snap someone's neck with the force in the obiwan show. It's just really hard to do that to someone with midichlorians. If you want to make the arguement that the shield wouldn't let the force through... THE FORCE IS EVERYWHERE. It doesn't have to travel through the shield. There is no way the shield is stopping the force, point blank. Maybe he wins through the voice, but the shield isnt an ounce as useful as you said it is
Not to mention the fact that Luke does not have a problem with using the Force to kill someone if he feels like it's necessary. That, and any fight between the two of them where Paul has the shield is going to end in both of them dyeing because of the shield. Like, the reason everyone uses swords and knives and shit when they're fighting other people wearing a shield is that the shields *really* don't like lasers or plasma. When either a laser or plasma blast hits one of the shields, it makes a very, very big boom. So, if Luke even hits Paul with his lightsaber, they're both going to die because Paul's shield is just going to immediately explode and kill both of them.
@@rythianlonghammer5263 force seeing into the future, luke wouldn't do that. Luke being willing to kill seems kinda cap, he was the sole person in the galaxy that believed in space Hitler
@@haxmode6935 Luke has used the force to kill things before. Besides that, Paul is a bigger monster than Vader is once you get into the meat of the Dune series. He's not the Chosen One, he's the reason the Chosen One has to be a thing.
Actually the reason cloud didn't become a first class soldier is because the war ended before he finished training so he couldn't show his prowess and get promoted not because he wasn't good enough
Paul Astreides Prescience in the narrative of the setting of Dune though isn't omniscience. It was written that is it like looking a valley the valley with varies timelines but you don't see everything outside the valley. Prescience is a limited kind of foresight it doesn't make you all knowing.
Luke has Shatterpoint that at it's most powerful Luke can open up/exploit any and all previous wounds that person has had that are not completely healed from or not a missing limb. We have seen Mace Windu use it to crush Grevious's lungs inside his chasis and also to punch and shatter hundreds of droids with his bare fists. We don't know if Luke can do this though. Mace Windu might just be a mother fucker. Shatterpoint can also locate weak points in shields and structures and simply break them. It can crush/close a person's throat or trigger seizures, paralysis, and convulsions with just a wave of Luke's hand. Shatterpoint is combined with other force abilities like force crush to even break beskar.
Thank you so much for having Legend of Dragoon in this. It had a great story and a great combat engine. It wasn't just jrpg it had this whole timed hits system with dozens of combos off of it, plus it was one of the few games where blocking was something you had to do. So good. Did anyone play Baten Kaitos or Baten Kaitos origins. Similarly these games had awesome stories and cool variations on normal combat systems.
A quick few thing about paul vs luke. Dune shields can be overwhelmed by superior force but its such a high level.. its just never brought up. In order for luke to overwhelm the shields, hed need to be slamming multiple star destroyers onto paul. The voice actually does have a will component.. its just very hard to resist. It requires will on the levels of paul, or leto II in order to not be hit with the voice. This is one reason why the reverend mother didnt just use the voice to get paul to suicide himself. There is one other thing. Shields are very environmentally dependent. If the fight is on arrakis and not at the poles, then paul cant use the shields, since that'll lead a bunch of sandworms to try and munch on his ass. The other thing is... blasters. If star wars blasters shoot lasers with similar physics properties to dune lasers.. then a shield becomes a big suicide weapon. Lasers and shields produce nuclear explosions in the dune franchise
@azureheart2846 unknown tbh! There's a good chance where it wouldn't immediately explode. But if so, then lukes Blasters ain't doing a lot to those shields. If thats the case, and assuming they're on any planet without sandworms. Then paul is more than likely going to eventually win the knife fight.
I’ve always kinda had this little theory about cloud that he kinda felt severe survivor’s guilt for Zack, his idol, dying for him. So he partially assumed his role in existence.
The original Ratchet and Clank game actually runs on the same Game engine, insomniac and Naughty dog also shared same coding tools and resources to make both their games and even shared the Sucker Punch for Sly Cooper. Even now those 3 dev studios are close.
It’s the same reason force users can’t just turn off each others light sabers: unless you are a lot more powerful/skilled in the force than you, they can basically counterapell it. If Vader can force cloak someone on the other side of the ship, I’d be surprised if it can’t bypass a shield.
THANKY YOU. i've had that same argument before about sephiroth with people. i'm so tired of people being like 'he can destroy solar systems at a whim. NO HE CAN'T. realistically, i think the best way to consider it is that it's a 'cinematic attack', that it's a powerful attack, but the game plays a cool cinematic because it has a cool name, not because it's literally a supernova. if sephiroth could cause the sun to go supernova he'd have actually done that to destroy the planet. realistically, it's probably just a big materia energy blast that he gave a fancy name, which is consistent with it's damage. the summon argument i understand but also somewhat dispute. yes, i fully accept that cloud is stronger than his summons, as that is well and truly established. but what capabilities the summons are attributed with is kind of BS. like, 'this summon can turn a planet to ash'. oh really, when exactly DID he turn a planet to ash, and how do we know about it? i mean, the plane they are standing on is still there, so it can't have been THIS planet. it's the same argument, where to me it feels like it's more folklore stories way overemphasizing the summons power levels, than actual evidential assessments of their accomplishments, and that when the summons are used in game it's for cinematic effect, they aren't actually doing whatever world ending BS is on screen. i mean, for cloud to have proven his strength to ifrit, it would be assumed that when they fought ifrit would have attempted to use the 'planet ending' attack on cloud, and once again, the planet is still here, so clearly that attack isn't actually planet ending.
33:58 I think force telekinesis requires a line of sight to work. Armor that covers your kneck means no force-choke. However, it works by manipulating the force that's everywhere in the galaxy, meaning it technically is already inside Paul's shield. And since the shield is invisible, it wouldn't prevent force-choke. Heck, Darth Vader once choked a guy through a video feed.
2B might actually get the edge depending on her pods and their loadout. She can get up to 3 pods and one shoots a laser, the other shoots homing missiles, and their loadout can alter gravity or create temporary invulnerability to physical or projectile attacks. Also the black box that she uses is literally a pocket nuke. All black boxes in all androids are powered by nuclear fission.
I've an idea, do whatever you want with it : WOULD THESE ISEKAI PROTAGONISTS SURVIVE RE-0 ? Interesting candidates may be : - Kazuma Sato (KonoSuba) -> Lots of tricks, but all of them are individualy somewhat weak. Possible debate if you consider Aqua as his "special hability" or not, which would grant him an extremely valuable cheat-death bonus - Ainz Ain Goal (Overlord) -> Very powerfull but can't possibly hope any serious alliance with anyone in that world - Richard Aldana (Lastman, only the comic, the cartoon hasn't dwelled yet in Isekai genra) -> A human boxer that had to deal with really fucked up shits that he knows are overpower him by several magnitudes, including corrupt police, mafias and... Oh yeah : there are demons too. Bonus : made in France, so not as known as the others and therefore has public curiosity points. - Toyohisa Shimazu (Drifters) -> A Samurai with no magic whatsoever but more than significant fight training and decent strategist. Reasearching info on Drifters is way more easier than Lastman BTW. To not make it doubled with Richard Aldana, the whole main cast of Drifters may be thrown into RE-0 world
I am not certain about some of your statements about multiversal durability vs galaxy tier strikes that's something that doesn't sound like common sense to me though I do not support Cloud being multiversal at all. However I have to disagree on the Luke Skywalker section of this video. The Expanded Universe version of Luke is too skilled and has varies defenses and techniques I don't see Dune book Paul wining. Book Paul isn't omniscient even he says it himself that prescience has it's limits and it's like looking through a valley but seeing nothing outside that valley. Even his Son Leto II who becomes the God Emperor tyrant admits it is not all seeing and what he is seeing are pretty much a set amount of limited amount of subjective timelines at a time he views, he even actively wanted people in the Dune Imperium to develop ways and technologies to escape his prescience vision. Not that it is going to do much good against a heavily potent Force wielder in direct combat. Splash damage and all the other hacks the Force provides Expanded Universe Luke including their own defenses and offenses including speed. EvanNova95 is a old Expanded Universe lore channel and a versus channel and he has plenty of videos covering Luke's various abilities that are far superior to Paul physically on every fundamental level. And he has the researched sources and passages to prove his claims and the stats of Luke the strongest Jedi Master to live. EvanNova doesn't take things out of context like those who try to claim the Force is outerversal or something. Nothing incoherent like that. He's a sensible and reasonable knowledgeable guy who is nice to listen too. Book Paul's abilities aren't objectively going to last in a direct engagement they just are not.
@@MCLegend13 Nice to see someone who knows who EvanNova is and how constructive he is. Rouga shouldn't be making claims based on ignorance and lack of understanding about the old Star Wars canon. It's just foolish and shortsighted to make such assumptions on a dime instead of testing his own logic and doing some proper in depth research and understand the storyline and timeline of EU Luke's feats and how he improves over the years. It's pretty arrogant to go that path. It undermines Rouga's integrity on this subject.
I don’t know if light sabers work the same way that laser weapons do in dune but it would be hilarious if the fight between Luke and Paul was just Luke trying to stab Paul and then they both get incinerated by a nuclear blast
One thing you didn’t consider with Luke vs Paul in a straight fight since Paul is a non force user he could simply just hold him in place with the force and then slowly stab him with his light saber. He could lock his jaw with the force so he couldn’t speak.
Which is more likely? That the omniscient all knowing god emperor who can dominate Luke’s will with a word will be restrained by a telekinetic or will get a single word out that can cause instant death to said telekinetic? Paul literally knows everything about Luke’s past and future across all timelines infinitely at the same time. He knows anything Luke will try to do before the fight even starts.
I don't know if this was ever stated anywhere or if this is real, but my thought is that it's much harder to use the force on someone who can also use the force.
Survival challenge 17 of sending out my idea back into the void although it’s already out there! Fictional “monster hunters” vs the crazy shit in Monster Hunter. Yes, that Monster Hunter, the one where you hunt monsters
Also my guy when talking about star wars you forgot about Valkorian, he's arguably the most powerful force user in star wars that isn't a force being like Abaloth, but youre still correct about Luke's piwer level
I think Luke would be okay with Paul's barrier because the Force isn't physical. Vader can choke someone just by seeing them in a streaming call, Luke could choke Paul through the barrier. Not sure if he'd win the fight, but the barrier wouldn't stop the Force. Would the barrier be able to stop a Lightsaber? Also, unclear because it's a plasma blade and hot as a star. The weapons in Dune are not of that magnitude. Also, Ratchet feels like a bigger version of Daxter with stripes. I could see a timeline that mutates Daxter into Ratchet for bigger adventures.
The force is everywhere and is above time and space I think would work ignoring a shield (and only Jedi mind trick works in weak minded, the darkside just overpowers your willpower)
Sci Fi Universes vs Halo Flood Invasion Gears of War Cyberpunk Fallout Mass Effect Starfield Star Wars Killzone Helldivers Star Trek Starcraft Does anyone know anymore sci fi universes to put on the list
Okay, but you neglected to mention that Paul's Shield self-destructs upon contact with laser weaponry kiling both attacker and defender. Luke only has to touch the shield with his lightsabre... and then prepare himself to absorb the residual energy from the explosion if he manages to see it coming in time, otherwise it's a toss-up. Both are charbroiled.
I think the closest to multi versal in an ff game might by ff3 or ff5. The crystals have some funny powers and you gain the use of that power. Also, does invisible / x-zone count from ff6?
Thank god he didn't use the Cloud strife from kingdom hearts lol. Problem with that guy is that even though he's not cannon to the FF7 universe, he is definitely cannon to the kingdom hearts universe and how powerful is that universe? Hell alot stronger than FF7 i can tell you that lol. This is Disney were talking about here lol.
The logic behind having the powers of the summons the character can summon makes Squall from FF8 helluva strong then. As you can summon Eden, that thing can shoot the enemies across the whole space into a centre of a different galaxy and f*cking explode that galaxy with the enemies still there.
It seems like Mace windu managed to use his Force to crush someone's armor that's why the four arm robot guy cost a lot cuz he got his chest damage by Mace windu.
If you make a forth , Consider the "Leader of the saints" from saints row VS whoever you want from GTA Perhaps full power President vs all the GTA protagonists ? But that's just an idea for spectacle.
You could use the force of a list of couple tons of ground under Paul ant toss him a few hundred feet into the air. Paul would be a pile of mush inside his shield
I was surprised to see jak and daxter. As a fan of that series, I would agree that ratchet and clank would definitely win. It’s a little disappointing how one sided it is, assuming both are at their best. The one advantage in my mind for jak is that if he has a good supply of eco, he can turn giant and become invincible with dark eco, albeit for a limited time, and can heal himself would weapons or gadgets. He if he has the eco, he can do that whenever. But it just pales in comparison to what ratchet can do
Fun idea for the future: Could these characters survive MadWorld-Death Watch? That's about it really I honestly don't have a list of people to put through the meat grinder.
Character 1: I think a good distraction during a fight could help 2B, but thats about it. Character 2: To me, this is a question of what's more useful "Power" vs "Abilities" Character 3: I agree with you. Character 4: i agree with you.
Would a lightsaber set of an atomic explosion, like when a lasgun hits a shield? If so I think one of your matchups is a draw, because I cannot see Luke not trying that.
OK so I think there's one force power that's pretty much a checkmate for Luke... I don't see how Paul could resist it, and well it even prevents him from using the whole Voice thing since it's pretty hard to speak while you're getting Force Chocked... the only problem is, would Luke ever use such a blatantly Dark Side power? There's a few other things like using force to levitate a whole bunch of spears from different angles and moving them slowly enough to go through the shield all at the same time... I've no idea how the shield would react against Force Lightning, using Force Push/Pull to fuck with positioning or just yeeting him off a high surface or some shit... unfortunately all of things runs into the whole issue of that's using the Force for offense which is the Dark Side. I'm pretty sure that EU Luke is a bit more relaxed about the Dark Side, seeing it as part of the Force rather than the dogmatic approach of the Jedi... but I don't know if it's to the extent needed to use it in ways he would need to to win this fight.
There is absolutely an amount of force that can break through the shields *We know this because of the fears of nukes and the laser hit blowing up the shield which destroys other shields*... Though I don't think Luke Skywalker can reach anywhere near that level of force. edit: But also like the lightsaber might force Paul to turn off the shield or mutually assured destruction...
Even if he turns off his shield Paul can just tell Luke to kneel or make him give up the light saber. I like Luke but Paul is as the kids say now adays " Built Different "
@vonfaustien3957 omniscient kinda beats that. If Paul see Luke do that he can just not go to a location where Luke is. He can see every future and if he sees one where he dies to Luke he can just do something different.
I think with these hypotheticals, is to basically a death match so i dont believe in givin characters their original personalities an moral setting, that nerfs alotta potential power/ability usage.
When was the "you have to be stronger then your summon" rule explained in final fantasy 7? Whats Minerva? Why u put in sequel, remake and prequel dirt? 😅 The remake cloud is a sad ripp off of original ff7 cloud. Only the original exists
@rougarabid yah I figured it was somethin like that lol, like I said dont blame ya. You put effort into that work and it only makes sense to reuse it. People do the same with coding all the time, its just efficient
Luke could get him through the shield because sidious got dooku when they weren't even on the same planet and almost all the people who had armor where sith and in the case of bane he not only had magic powers but also magic bug armor
nasu verse scaler always annoys me when they use fate extra or servant verse scaling. because normally the servant itself cant do those feats. like how Arturia from mountain buster get wank to multiversal because fate/extra scalling. anything happened in fate extra is infact inside virtual reality inside moon cell. and every fodder chara can infact wank themself to multiversal as long they got some data. Kirito in their scale probably also a mutiversal because admin power lol
Im absolutely Biased when it comes to Jak and Daxter; Playing everything Up to Jak X (didnt play daxter OR lost frontier) . . . Jak & Daxter is going to lose against ratchet & clank. In J&D 2, they did everything first before Ratchet & clank could, but by the time they stopped doing everything, restructured the game and basically killed the momentum for what Jak could do, Ratchet & clank just got more and more ridiculous as to what they could do. Example, that thing with the light that turned everything to ash that R&C could do, Jak did it first with the "super nova" which was just a mini nuke that eviscerated all life within the immediate area you inhabited within a specific meter radius (how far, idk, they were never specific, but as soon as the mushroom is gone, the people come back). The previous strongest weapon ratchet and clank had was the RIP YA A NEW ONE 2 (RYNO2, I kid you not, thats what RYNO stands for) which was just a heavy duty Fully automatically Rocket launcher, which was devistating, but not anywhere as crazy as the super nova. Then R&C 3 came out and everything was either turning enemies to ash or swallowing then in a black hole. . .
Could Luke not just pick paul up and throw him? Like u said in another video, that armour doesn't stop your organs from moving on the inside? So could Luke not throw him straight up or at a wall or something? Would Paul's insides get mushed?
It you like i can break thia down for you as Ratchet and Jak have qutie a few games. Hell in the 4th installments for their games, Jak X and Ratchet: Deadlock( Gladiator for you UK folks), had Both Ratchet and Jak as guest characters in their online/multiplayer modes. There is like 7 or 8 different versions of the R.Y.N.O. plus there was the Zodiak in Going Commandoby far the Rynocerator is the most powerful incarnation of the line as it produces a mini Supernova to fry everything then you have the Zodiak that just electrocutes everything in the area. You have Jak with his gun and its 4 fire modes. The peacemaker being the biggest and the hardest hitting shot. Jak also has the time clap. It always boils down to this over all the years Jak vs Ratchet has been a thing even before that crappy yet fun PS Move game came out, Can Jak do his Time Clap for a a Dio Brando level time stop and freeze Ratchet before Ratchet can pull the trigger for the Rynocerator? Also if Jak can beat ratchet can Jak clear the blast range before he gets toasted?
Just a heads up Force users can and do ise their Force on people with both armor and shields. Vader is the most common but others have both in Legends and in Disneys bastardized Canon. It's usually just that they prefer to use sabers and Jedi just prefer not to use the force like that. One of the reasons it doesn't happen often between Force users is because you can use the Force to protect yourself from the influence of others. That's part of why Vader and Obi Wan fought the way they did, most of their battle was invisible as they pushed against each others Force.
Would the Paul shield even stop lightsabers? because you know..... LIGHT...saber? And they're also pretty hot I'd recon so if he'd somehow get it close enough that may cause burns (not as certain on that one but maybe) Otherwise, would the shield protect Paul if Luke just lifted a big rock and dropped it on him directly? Finally, powerful strength users tend to have some degree of super enhanced reflexes and minor prediction of events, so that could perhaps jam with Paul ability to see all futures. All of these are big "perhaps" because I'm not enough knowledgeable on dune technology and how it might hypothetically interact with the sci fi technology/powers of a different world, but theses points are still somewhat relevant I believe.
I love how you make people mad. I actually love that you do your research and bring receipts to back yourself up. I dont agree with some takes especially any involving dante but gosh darnit. I cant argue so i wont. I love the channel your voice is the stuff of legends and i know this is long so i will stop glazing. Have a great day and keep making great content
I think luke wins that fighr easily...if he as information agead if time. If he knows about the voice he can use force choke to prevent the use of it. Without it Luke loses.
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Would Netero/Gon/Yusuke survive One Piece?
Megaman vs Astro Boy needs to be in this series at one point
Video game rivals battle, Mario vs Sonic, Link vs Cloud, Crash bandicoot vs Spyro, Megaman vs Samus
New drinking game, every time Rouga brings up people getting mad or making people mad, take a shot
You trying to kill people?!
@@rougarabid Not intentionally, but it isnt as fun without some risk
Also, drink any time Rouga Rips on the powerscaling community / wiki
Tmrw I'll try it
Or every time he says basically
I mean, force choking Paul would seem to work pretty well. And we do see Luke using force choke in return of the Jedi, and not like Vader uses it where it is a constant choke, like just casually waves his hand and force chokes two aliens into unconsciousness nigh instantly.
Not to mention EU Luke's Force powers are far greater then Rouga downplays them to be. It amplifies many of his combat stances already and this is a guy who went head to head with Abeloth alongside Darth Krayt despite Abeloth being 12 times more powerful then him and held his ground. Downplaying that and claiming Paul is better is not sensible to me at all plus Luke is incredible tenacious and is resistance to mind manipulations with the Force from Sith Lords. The Bene Gesserit have nothing on Palpatine.
I just figured Luke could just force grip slam repeat until Paul stops moving lmao 🤣
Vader was able to force choke an imperial officer who was on a different star destroyer during casual conversation, no hand waving or significant strain needed. That went through all the physical armor and hull of both ships as well as their energy shields over god knows how much distance, and that's just from the original trilogy. I think Luke wouldn't have much trouble here, and it wouldn't matter if Paul could see it coming.
luke losing to Paul? Hell naw man. The force can absolutely go through his armor. The reasons force people don't just snap people necks in star wars is midichlorians stop you form doing that. We literally see vadar snap someone's neck with the force in the obiwan show. It's just really hard to do that to someone with midichlorians. If you want to make the arguement that the shield wouldn't let the force through... THE FORCE IS EVERYWHERE. It doesn't have to travel through the shield.
There is no way the shield is stopping the force, point blank. Maybe he wins through the voice, but the shield isnt an ounce as useful as you said it is
Don't even get started with EU/Legends Luke that guy could smoke a shit-ton of people
Not to mention the fact that Luke does not have a problem with using the Force to kill someone if he feels like it's necessary. That, and any fight between the two of them where Paul has the shield is going to end in both of them dyeing because of the shield. Like, the reason everyone uses swords and knives and shit when they're fighting other people wearing a shield is that the shields *really* don't like lasers or plasma. When either a laser or plasma blast hits one of the shields, it makes a very, very big boom. So, if Luke even hits Paul with his lightsaber, they're both going to die because Paul's shield is just going to immediately explode and kill both of them.
@@rythianlonghammer5263 force seeing into the future, luke wouldn't do that. Luke being willing to kill seems kinda cap, he was the sole person in the galaxy that believed in space Hitler
@@haxmode6935 Luke has used the force to kill things before. Besides that, Paul is a bigger monster than Vader is once you get into the meat of the Dune series. He's not the Chosen One, he's the reason the Chosen One has to be a thing.
Yeah Luke negs. Legends Luke has some cracked galaxy level highballs and even a universal highball.
Actually the reason cloud didn't become a first class soldier is because the war ended before he finished training so he couldn't show his prowess and get promoted not because he wasn't good enough
I knew the words "let's check out the vs wiki" was popcorn grabbing time.
When everyone is multiversal!
No one will be...
I think the organ crushing thing comes from what Obi-Wan did to general Grevious. But he failed to kill Grevious.
He crushed the chest plate not the insides. Still had to go through the front.
Mace is the one who crushed Grievous’ lungs I think
In the noncanon animated series yes. I think he’s talking about in the canon.
@@rougarabid Ah my mistake then. I don’t remember that ever happening in canon honestly.
I thought it came from Vader torturing a Jedi by crushing their Heart in a comic.
Paul Astreides Prescience in the narrative of the setting of Dune though isn't omniscience. It was written that is it like looking a valley the valley with varies timelines but you don't see everything outside the valley. Prescience is a limited kind of foresight it doesn't make you all knowing.
Luke has Shatterpoint that at it's most powerful Luke can open up/exploit any and all previous wounds that person has had that are not completely healed from or not a missing limb.
We have seen Mace Windu use it to crush Grevious's lungs inside his chasis and also to punch and shatter hundreds of droids with his bare fists. We don't know if Luke can do this though. Mace Windu might just be a mother fucker.
Shatterpoint can also locate weak points in shields and structures and simply break them. It can crush/close a person's throat or trigger seizures, paralysis, and convulsions with just a wave of Luke's hand.
Shatterpoint is combined with other force abilities like force crush to even break beskar.
Also glad to see Legend of the Dragoon repped, feels forgotten by everyone
Thank you so much for having Legend of Dragoon in this. It had a great story and a great combat engine. It wasn't just jrpg it had this whole timed hits system with dozens of combos off of it, plus it was one of the few games where blocking was something you had to do. So good.
Did anyone play Baten Kaitos or Baten Kaitos origins. Similarly these games had awesome stories and cool variations on normal combat systems.
Unrelated question: *Which TF2 mercenaries would survive/escape FNAF Security Breach WITHOUT their weapons OR Freddy?*
All of them
@@michellecarvajal9551 maybe, I think Medic and Sniper might get dumpstered.
Scout too possibly.
Engineer, Heavy, and Spy would probably be fine.
@@MartsVODsscout is fast (30mph in game 96 in lore)and he knows what's dangerous
@@jamesThebulbmin ah yeah, thinking bout it now, if Greg can outrun them, scout can too.
Let's be honest here. It'd be the animatronics running away from Pyro.
A quick few thing about paul vs luke. Dune shields can be overwhelmed by superior force but its such a high level.. its just never brought up. In order for luke to overwhelm the shields, hed need to be slamming multiple star destroyers onto paul.
The voice actually does have a will component.. its just very hard to resist. It requires will on the levels of paul, or leto II in order to not be hit with the voice. This is one reason why the reverend mother didnt just use the voice to get paul to suicide himself.
There is one other thing. Shields are very environmentally dependent. If the fight is on arrakis and not at the poles, then paul cant use the shields, since that'll lead a bunch of sandworms to try and munch on his ass. The other thing is... blasters. If star wars blasters shoot lasers with similar physics properties to dune lasers.. then a shield becomes a big suicide weapon. Lasers and shields produce nuclear explosions in the dune franchise
The Blasters are actually Plasma. Would be a different reaction or is it just the same?
@azureheart2846 unknown tbh! There's a good chance where it wouldn't immediately explode. But if so, then lukes Blasters ain't doing a lot to those shields. If thats the case, and assuming they're on any planet without sandworms. Then paul is more than likely going to eventually win the knife fight.
Paul: SHID YOURSELF - fight over
Does the voice require your actual voice? Like do you need to physically speak?
I’ve always kinda had this little theory about cloud that he kinda felt severe survivor’s guilt for Zack, his idol, dying for him. So he partially assumed his role in existence.
The original Ratchet and Clank game actually runs on the same Game engine, insomniac and Naughty dog also shared same coding tools and resources to make both their games and even shared the Sucker Punch for Sly Cooper. Even now those 3 dev studios are close.
It’s the same reason force users can’t just turn off each others light sabers: unless you are a lot more powerful/skilled in the force than you, they can basically counterapell it. If Vader can force cloak someone on the other side of the ship, I’d be surprised if it can’t bypass a shield.
THANKY YOU. i've had that same argument before about sephiroth with people. i'm so tired of people being like 'he can destroy solar systems at a whim. NO HE CAN'T. realistically, i think the best way to consider it is that it's a 'cinematic attack', that it's a powerful attack, but the game plays a cool cinematic because it has a cool name, not because it's literally a supernova. if sephiroth could cause the sun to go supernova he'd have actually done that to destroy the planet. realistically, it's probably just a big materia energy blast that he gave a fancy name, which is consistent with it's damage.
the summon argument i understand but also somewhat dispute. yes, i fully accept that cloud is stronger than his summons, as that is well and truly established. but what capabilities the summons are attributed with is kind of BS. like, 'this summon can turn a planet to ash'. oh really, when exactly DID he turn a planet to ash, and how do we know about it? i mean, the plane they are standing on is still there, so it can't have been THIS planet. it's the same argument, where to me it feels like it's more folklore stories way overemphasizing the summons power levels, than actual evidential assessments of their accomplishments, and that when the summons are used in game it's for cinematic effect, they aren't actually doing whatever world ending BS is on screen. i mean, for cloud to have proven his strength to ifrit, it would be assumed that when they fought ifrit would have attempted to use the 'planet ending' attack on cloud, and once again, the planet is still here, so clearly that attack isn't actually planet ending.
Headcanon- Safer Sephiroth is a Summon himself, and Supernova is his signature attack
33:58 I think force telekinesis requires a line of sight to work. Armor that covers your kneck means no force-choke.
However, it works by manipulating the force that's everywhere in the galaxy, meaning it technically is already inside Paul's shield. And since the shield is invisible, it wouldn't prevent force-choke. Heck, Darth Vader once choked a guy through a video feed.
So Paul and his armor is basically like Gojo and his Infinity?
2B might actually get the edge depending on her pods and their loadout. She can get up to 3 pods and one shoots a laser, the other shoots homing missiles, and their loadout can alter gravity or create temporary invulnerability to physical or projectile attacks. Also the black box that she uses is literally a pocket nuke. All black boxes in all androids are powered by nuclear fission.
I've an idea, do whatever you want with it :
WOULD THESE ISEKAI PROTAGONISTS SURVIVE RE-0 ?
Interesting candidates may be :
- Kazuma Sato (KonoSuba) -> Lots of tricks, but all of them are individualy somewhat weak. Possible debate if you consider Aqua as his "special hability" or not, which would grant him an extremely valuable cheat-death bonus
- Ainz Ain Goal (Overlord) -> Very powerfull but can't possibly hope any serious alliance with anyone in that world
- Richard Aldana (Lastman, only the comic, the cartoon hasn't dwelled yet in Isekai genra) -> A human boxer that had to deal with really fucked up shits that he knows are overpower him by several magnitudes, including corrupt police, mafias and... Oh yeah : there are demons too. Bonus : made in France, so not as known as the others and therefore has public curiosity points.
- Toyohisa Shimazu (Drifters) -> A Samurai with no magic whatsoever but more than significant fight training and decent strategist. Reasearching info on Drifters is way more easier than Lastman BTW. To not make it doubled with Richard Aldana, the whole main cast of Drifters may be thrown into RE-0 world
I assume you mean Ainz withoout the guild? Cause the enitire guild is united in a way no faction on Re:Zero is
I am not certain about some of your statements about multiversal durability vs galaxy tier strikes that's something that doesn't sound like common sense to me though I do not support Cloud being multiversal at all. However I have to disagree on the Luke Skywalker section of this video. The Expanded Universe version of Luke is too skilled and has varies defenses and techniques I don't see Dune book Paul wining. Book Paul isn't omniscient even he says it himself that prescience has it's limits and it's like looking through a valley but seeing nothing outside that valley. Even his Son Leto II who becomes the God Emperor tyrant admits it is not all seeing and what he is seeing are pretty much a set amount of limited amount of subjective timelines at a time he views, he even actively wanted people in the Dune Imperium to develop ways and technologies to escape his prescience vision. Not that it is going to do much good against a heavily potent Force wielder in direct combat. Splash damage and all the other hacks the Force provides Expanded Universe Luke including their own defenses and offenses including speed.
EvanNova95 is a old Expanded Universe lore channel and a versus channel and he has plenty of videos covering Luke's various abilities that are far superior to Paul physically on every fundamental level. And he has the researched sources and passages to prove his claims and the stats of Luke the strongest Jedi Master to live. EvanNova doesn't take things out of context like those who try to claim the Force is outerversal or something. Nothing incoherent like that. He's a sensible and reasonable knowledgeable guy who is nice to listen too.
Book Paul's abilities aren't objectively going to last in a direct engagement they just are not.
He’s too much of a newbie to understand Old EU power scaling lol 😂 and I agree EvanNova is a great channel for Star Wars Legends power scaling.
@@MCLegend13
Nice to see someone who knows who EvanNova is and how constructive he is.
Rouga shouldn't be making claims based on ignorance and lack of understanding about the old Star Wars canon. It's just foolish and shortsighted to make such assumptions on a dime instead of testing his own logic and doing some proper in depth research and understand the storyline and timeline of EU Luke's feats and how he improves over the years. It's pretty arrogant to go that path. It undermines Rouga's integrity on this subject.
Every battle was a stomp today
0:30 should had said: “or diddy will be under your bed tonight”
12:20 ... that... that is actually I think one of the best explanations of the Cloud/Zack memory situation I've come across.
Mace Windu crushed general grievous’ heart while he was in armor.
Yes but he went through the armor. He crushed the chest plate.
@@rougarabidluke killed two pig guards by crushing their organs and also in mandalorian he destroyed beskar droids using the force alone
@@rougarabidnotice how you don’t answer when someone proves you wrong 😂
Yay long video! I am STARTED!
I don’t know if light sabers work the same way that laser weapons do in dune but it would be hilarious if the fight between Luke and Paul was just Luke trying to stab Paul and then they both get incinerated by a nuclear blast
Saving this for later after school
One thing you didn’t consider with Luke vs Paul in a straight fight since Paul is a non force user he could simply just hold him in place with the force and then slowly stab him with his light saber. He could lock his jaw with the force so he couldn’t speak.
Which is more likely? That the omniscient all knowing god emperor who can dominate Luke’s will with a word will be restrained by a telekinetic or will get a single word out that can cause instant death to said telekinetic?
Paul literally knows everything about Luke’s past and future across all timelines infinitely at the same time. He knows anything Luke will try to do before the fight even starts.
Science fiction heroes vs dead space
Some say he’s still dumping that brick as we speak 😂
I don't know if this was ever stated anywhere or if this is real, but my thought is that it's much harder to use the force on someone who can also use the force.
Putting Cloud Strife in a OG vs knockoff fight and not including Guts, the guy Cloud was based off of, is a warcrime.
Survival challenge 17 of sending out my idea back into the void although it’s already out there! Fictional “monster hunters” vs the crazy shit in Monster Hunter. Yes, that Monster Hunter, the one where you hunt monsters
Also my guy when talking about star wars you forgot about Valkorian, he's arguably the most powerful force user in star wars that isn't a force being like Abaloth, but youre still correct about Luke's piwer level
You know one thing ratchet doesn't have the Jak does*inserts vin diesel*family!
Ratchet does have family his bro clank they're like brothers to each other
@@dennisbeaman958 doesn't clank betray him at one point
@@bpw102896 no that was a fake named clunk made by Dr nefarious
I do love the Vs Wiki hate, those guys are kinda crazy af
I think Luke would be okay with Paul's barrier because the Force isn't physical. Vader can choke someone just by seeing them in a streaming call, Luke could choke Paul through the barrier. Not sure if he'd win the fight, but the barrier wouldn't stop the Force. Would the barrier be able to stop a Lightsaber? Also, unclear because it's a plasma blade and hot as a star. The weapons in Dune are not of that magnitude.
Also, Ratchet feels like a bigger version of Daxter with stripes. I could see a timeline that mutates Daxter into Ratchet for bigger adventures.
16:25 I think the cactaur enemy is a great in universe example of this argument. You are quite literally being shot up by needles!
I get a sense of deja vu on Cloud strife's part of the video did I see that in another rouga rabid's old videos or something?
Even with the shield on, Luke can just throw Paul into volcano or into a sandworm.
The force is everywhere and is above time and space
I think would work ignoring a shield (and only Jedi mind trick works in weak minded, the darkside just overpowers your willpower)
Sci Fi Universes vs Halo Flood Invasion
Gears of War
Cyberpunk
Fallout
Mass Effect
Starfield
Star Wars
Killzone
Helldivers
Star Trek
Starcraft
Does anyone know anymore sci fi universes to put on the list
Honestly, I'm glad for these rip offs cause the original sounds broken. Like now I understand why character need flaws.
He becomes a Red Eye Dragoon? Guess that's where that yugioh card came from
Okay, but you neglected to mention that Paul's Shield self-destructs upon contact with laser weaponry kiling both attacker and defender.
Luke only has to touch the shield with his lightsabre... and then prepare himself to absorb the residual energy from the explosion if he manages to see it coming in time, otherwise it's a toss-up. Both are charbroiled.
I think the closest to multi versal in an ff game might by ff3 or ff5. The crystals have some funny powers and you gain the use of that power. Also, does invisible / x-zone count from ff6?
Thank god he didn't use the Cloud strife from kingdom hearts lol.
Problem with that guy is that even though he's not cannon to the FF7 universe, he is definitely cannon to the kingdom hearts universe and how powerful is that universe? Hell alot stronger than FF7 i can tell you that lol. This is Disney were talking about here lol.
The logic behind having the powers of the summons the character can summon makes Squall from FF8 helluva strong then. As you can summon Eden, that thing can shoot the enemies across the whole space into a centre of a different galaxy and f*cking explode that galaxy with the enemies still there.
Ff7 and ff8 have different rules and power systems
It seems like Mace windu managed to use his Force to crush someone's armor that's why the four arm robot guy cost a lot cuz he got his chest damage by Mace windu.
If you make a forth ,
Consider the "Leader of the saints" from saints row VS whoever you want from GTA
Perhaps full power President vs all the GTA protagonists ?
But that's just an idea for spectacle.
You didn’t see part 2
Paul's shield: in the setting shields explode on the level of atomic bombs when struck by lasers. Not sure how that would work against a light saber?
There is only one fair way to drcide who wins the first battle: scisor duell
You could use the force of a list of couple tons of ground under Paul ant toss him a few hundred feet into the air. Paul would be a pile of mush inside his shield
I was surprised to see jak and daxter. As a fan of that series, I would agree that ratchet and clank would definitely win. It’s a little disappointing how one sided it is, assuming both are at their best.
The one advantage in my mind for jak is that if he has a good supply of eco, he can turn giant and become invincible with dark eco, albeit for a limited time, and can heal himself would weapons or gadgets. He if he has the eco, he can do that whenever.
But it just pales in comparison to what ratchet can do
Luke uses force crush and Paul is dead
The force outscales and overpowers anything Paul can do
Fun idea for the future: Could these characters survive MadWorld-Death Watch? That's about it really I honestly don't have a list of people to put through the meat grinder.
Character 1: I think a good distraction during a fight could help 2B, but thats about it.
Character 2: To me, this is a question of what's more useful "Power" vs "Abilities"
Character 3: I agree with you.
Character 4: i agree with you.
Dunno if you caught my comment on the last one, but i think itd be hilarious to see a Disgaea character (Laharl mostly) on one of these
Would a lightsaber set of an atomic explosion, like when a lasgun hits a shield? If so I think one of your matchups is a draw, because I cannot see Luke not trying that.
Day 3 of asking for one involving the Mortal Kombat universe!!
OK so I think there's one force power that's pretty much a checkmate for Luke... I don't see how Paul could resist it, and well it even prevents him from using the whole Voice thing since it's pretty hard to speak while you're getting Force Chocked... the only problem is, would Luke ever use such a blatantly Dark Side power? There's a few other things like using force to levitate a whole bunch of spears from different angles and moving them slowly enough to go through the shield all at the same time... I've no idea how the shield would react against Force Lightning, using Force Push/Pull to fuck with positioning or just yeeting him off a high surface or some shit... unfortunately all of things runs into the whole issue of that's using the Force for offense which is the Dark Side.
I'm pretty sure that EU Luke is a bit more relaxed about the Dark Side, seeing it as part of the Force rather than the dogmatic approach of the Jedi... but I don't know if it's to the extent needed to use it in ways he would need to to win this fight.
There is absolutely an amount of force that can break through the shields *We know this because of the fears of nukes and the laser hit blowing up the shield which destroys other shields*... Though I don't think Luke Skywalker can reach anywhere near that level of force.
edit: But also like the lightsaber might force Paul to turn off the shield or mutually assured destruction...
That’s not due to force. It’s a reaction the shield has to a specific type of energy. Luke doesn’t have that energy type so it’s not relevant.
Even if he turns off his shield Paul can just tell Luke to kneel or make him give up the light saber. I like Luke but Paul is as the kids say now adays " Built Different "
If we with the EU Luke could make and use micro singularity and used them to erase some Yuzan Vong heavy "Vehicles" the size of an AT-AT
@rougarabid well you said it was a force shield not an energy shield so a lightsaber should pass right through it. Considering it has no mass
@vonfaustien3957 omniscient kinda beats that. If Paul see Luke do that he can just not go to a location where Luke is. He can see every future and if he sees one where he dies to Luke he can just do something different.
There is an ability that can throw the cores of stars at ppz in *star wars*
Also potential idea
Would these characters survive the world of i have no mouth and i must scream
I think with these hypotheticals, is to basically a death match so i dont believe in givin characters their original personalities an moral setting, that nerfs alotta potential power/ability usage.
The force has far more incomprehensible powers than the voice. I don't get how Luke loses to Paul.
When was the "you have to be stronger then your summon" rule explained in final fantasy 7?
Whats Minerva?
Why u put in sequel, remake and prequel dirt? 😅
The remake cloud is a sad ripp off of original ff7 cloud.
Only the original exists
Dont think I didnt notice you reused that cloud strife section from a previous video. I also dont blame you lol
Very few people actually saw those videos and I already gave a decent description of FF7 in it so instead of repeating myself I just said fuck it.
@rougarabid yah I figured it was somethin like that lol, like I said dont blame ya. You put effort into that work and it only makes sense to reuse it. People do the same with coding all the time, its just efficient
Luke could get him through the shield because sidious got dooku when they weren't even on the same planet and almost all the people who had armor where sith and in the case of bane he not only had magic powers but also magic bug armor
I'm mulitversal by watching this video.
nasu verse scaler always annoys me when they use fate extra or servant verse scaling. because normally the servant itself cant do those feats. like how Arturia from mountain buster get wank to multiversal because fate/extra scalling. anything happened in fate extra is infact inside virtual reality inside moon cell. and every fodder chara can infact wank themself to multiversal as long they got some data.
Kirito in their scale probably also a mutiversal because admin power lol
Im absolutely Biased when it comes to Jak and Daxter; Playing everything Up to Jak X (didnt play daxter OR lost frontier) . . . Jak & Daxter is going to lose against ratchet & clank. In J&D 2, they did everything first before Ratchet & clank could, but by the time they stopped doing everything, restructured the game and basically killed the momentum for what Jak could do, Ratchet & clank just got more and more ridiculous as to what they could do.
Example, that thing with the light that turned everything to ash that R&C could do, Jak did it first with the "super nova" which was just a mini nuke that eviscerated all life within the immediate area you inhabited within a specific meter radius (how far, idk, they were never specific, but as soon as the mushroom is gone, the people come back). The previous strongest weapon ratchet and clank had was the RIP YA A NEW ONE 2 (RYNO2, I kid you not, thats what RYNO stands for) which was just a heavy duty Fully automatically Rocket launcher, which was devistating, but not anywhere as crazy as the super nova. Then R&C 3 came out and everything was either turning enemies to ash or swallowing then in a black hole. . .
Star Wars is just Dune if it wasn't insane.
Bro said that Star Wars Characters in legends are just planetary 💀💀💀 you lost me at that point boi you need some facts checking.
That’s not an argument. Just a disagreement.
Could Luke not just pick paul up and throw him? Like u said in another video, that armour doesn't stop your organs from moving on the inside? So could Luke not throw him straight up or at a wall or something? Would Paul's insides get mushed?
Ratchet Also has or at least in the second game had like armor which absorb like 80% of an attack.
96% at max.
@@rougarabid was it 96?? Ah right it might have been the third game which was like 80% because i think they lowered it
You should do would these cartoon characters survive the Hearts of Iron 4 The New Order world
It you like i can break thia down for you as Ratchet and Jak have qutie a few games. Hell in the 4th installments for their games, Jak X and Ratchet: Deadlock( Gladiator for you UK folks), had Both Ratchet and Jak as guest characters in their online/multiplayer modes.
There is like 7 or 8 different versions of the R.Y.N.O. plus there was the Zodiak in Going Commandoby far the Rynocerator is the most powerful incarnation of the line as it produces a mini Supernova to fry everything then you have the Zodiak that just electrocutes everything in the area.
You have Jak with his gun and its 4 fire modes. The peacemaker being the biggest and the hardest hitting shot.
Jak also has the time clap.
It always boils down to this over all the years Jak vs Ratchet has been a thing even before that crappy yet fun PS Move game came out,
Can Jak do his Time Clap for a a Dio Brando level time stop and freeze Ratchet before Ratchet can pull the trigger for the Rynocerator? Also if Jak can beat ratchet can Jak clear the blast range before he gets toasted?
Does this mean that Balthier and Bartz are multiversal?
Just a heads up Force users can and do ise their Force on people with both armor and shields. Vader is the most common but others have both in Legends and in Disneys bastardized Canon. It's usually just that they prefer to use sabers and Jedi just prefer not to use the force like that.
One of the reasons it doesn't happen often between Force users is because you can use the Force to protect yourself from the influence of others. That's part of why Vader and Obi Wan fought the way they did, most of their battle was invisible as they pushed against each others Force.
I don’t know who cloud strife is 😭
Third video requesting can x heroes/villains survive in the SCP Foundation universe
Would the Paul shield even stop lightsabers? because you know..... LIGHT...saber? And they're also pretty hot I'd recon so if he'd somehow get it close enough that may cause burns (not as certain on that one but maybe)
Otherwise, would the shield protect Paul if Luke just lifted a big rock and dropped it on him directly?
Finally, powerful strength users tend to have some degree of super enhanced reflexes and minor prediction of events, so that could perhaps jam with Paul ability to see all futures.
All of these are big "perhaps" because I'm not enough knowledgeable on dune technology and how it might hypothetically interact with the sci fi technology/powers of a different world, but theses points are still somewhat relevant I believe.
Oh nah not the vs wiki💀
Could (blank) survive ratchet and clank could be interesting
I dont understand the dune shield thing? how come nothing can get through or you cant disarm it? dont get it
I still think it should have been Alita vs 2b instead of Eve
Admittedly I prefer Jack and Dexter, but yeah it ain't even close sadly.
Keep this in mind, can clank Help Ratchet negate Jak's time clap or can Ratchet pull the Trigger on the rynocerator?
Either way it could be close
I love how you make people mad. I actually love that you do your research and bring receipts to back yourself up. I dont agree with some takes especially any involving dante but gosh darnit. I cant argue so i wont. I love the channel your voice is the stuff of legends and i know this is long so i will stop glazing. Have a great day and keep making great content
Broo, plzz, day 18 doom vs persona and smt ❤❤
Unless you’re saying eternal, there’s so many demons that would wipe 2016 doom slayer just from existing
@@LittleKnight713 uhh comp doom or else og doom marine i think could die by just getting shot
Couldn’t he just lift up the shield with paul and throw him into something like the sarlack pit or into space
Yea u really reqched on the Luke vs Paul fight
Better fight would have been Clank Vs Dax lol. More fair I mean I think
Isnt Zack's last name Fair?
Yes it is. It's just a similar situation to the Aerith Aeris thing that's all
Yes.
Luke vs melatonin
I think luke wins that fighr easily...if he as information agead if time.
If he knows about the voice he can use force choke to prevent the use of it. Without it Luke loses.