SO many rusted-on 200 lovers on here, resistant to progress, technology, and change. Had a 100 V8, did >250,000Km in it, then a 200 V8, did another 240,000Km in it. Pulled caravans with both of 'em. Now have a LC300 GR Sport and LOVE IT. Say what you like about the V6, or the lack of cubic feet in the donk, or the 10-speed tranny, or the tricked up eKDSS suspension, etc etc etc. It is a GREAT car both to drive on its own, and also for towing. Current van is a 20.6 weighing in at about 3200Kg packed for travel. I have air bags in the rear coils of the GR-S, and changed the standard tyres to Falken Wildpeak 275/65/R18, and put a bull bar on it. That's it. Best upgraded vehicle ever. Going from the 100 to the 200 was nice, but the 200 to the 300 is fabulous. Just needs an open mind (and wallet) to appreciate it. ;)
Yes but he's not impartial. A 4wd suspension company has an invested interest in ensuring the new model sounds good so they can sell their gear. I think patriot campers did a review on the 300 design and there's definitely some draw backs. Smaller stock tyres is a big let down.
One of the best videos made so far for the LC300 and I kept watching over and over again. I like the way the suspension reacts in every bump. Keep uploading mate! Thanks
I'll be keeping my 200 until the facelift 300 appears by then we will really know how good it is and the aftermarket would have caught up too. The 'new' screens and CarPlay look like they are from a Camry. Same kind of coin for a 300 can get you some really, really nice automobile.
I was recently overtaken on the freeway at 110km/hr by a 200 and 300 in convoy. Both were towing identical 21’ tandem caravans. Estimated speed they were doing, maybe 125km/hr. The 200 sounded reasonably relaxed, the 300 on the other hand was literally screaming its head off. I will stick with my ever reliable 100 series td ifs.
@@philipmann9548 to be fair… the fact that the V8 has less horsepower and torque than a V6 means it is less stressed because even with 2 more cylinders it makes less power
@@animalscars3799 I love the 300 and I love the V6, but to be technical that is not true. It all comes down to engine tuning. Divide the figures by the actual displacement and no of cylinders The lc79 is a prime example. it is the most underpowered farm truck out of the box, Toyota tune it extremely conservatively with the intention of longevity because it is so under stressed and when you put it under load it has the engine size and scale to handle it long term. However then people come along and tune them and they achieve crazy figures which sounds great however now you have an engine that is working harder all the time, and when you do put it under load sure it has the power and torque but that is only because everything is now working harder to achieve it, so that conrod that they engineered to handle X amount of load is now having to handle alot more under compression ALL the time, not just under load so unfortunately this compromises engine life. All ICE, especially diesels are becoming smaller displacements yet still acheiving more power, this is being done for one reason and one reason only and it's not for longevity it's for emissions.
like them both diesel .. wish we could of gotten a diesel LC200 in the US ,Toyota priced the LC200 out of the US market , turned it into a $90k US ,luxury wagon one could pay $2000 more for the lexus LX570 and now no LC300 just the Lexus LX 600 is $ 89k US id be happy with a base model LC300 GX 2row gas @70k US thats $101k AUZ $ id buy it over a defender. bronco or wrangler
Every 300 owner I know still prefers towing with the 200 including myself, this is just a tough dog publicity stunt, both good cars but there's still pros & cons.
lift kits are advertised as 2.0 in. or 6.0 in. suspension lift kits . . . to the layman his understanding is that his 4WD SUV gets a 2.0 in. (50 MM) lift both at the front & rear axles . . . but that's not the case if I'm correct . . . the suspension lift at rear is actually less than the lift at the front . . . why can't a lifted suspension setup have the same 2.0 inches of suspension lift both at the front & rear . . . the lift on the rear axle is less than the lift on the front axle . . . why? please explain if possible . . .
Question.. The 200 had no badge on the back like a VX but the interior or of a GX or GXL which doesn’t have KDSS, only the VX and Sahara do. And that model 300 does. How’s is that the same comparison?😂 Apple vs bananas?
I am one of the people who cares about external design. When I feel something not right I will just pass over it. Lc 300 doesn’t feel the right design for me regardless the mechanical enhancements. It could have been designed better in the back and 3rd line seating window. Plus, I like one of the comments who said new engines made taking emissions into consideration rather than reliability and long life. In middle east few lc 300 TT engines started to blow already and that is documented in social media. For vehicles in the garage with engine being deassembled.
I dont care what any product selling reviewer says. Common sense tells me the 300 will be a short lived high performace nightmare. Landcruiser is now no longer what its reputation was built on.
Im an auctioneer in the industry and love my toyotas. Owned 40,60,80,100, 75, 79 200 and a 300 company car. Is 300 better than 200? Yes. More pwr, better brakes, better gbox, better interior better suspension BUT that tailgate 👎 the cruise control 👎 a v8 just seems to deliver the torque better than a 6. Would i part with 100-$150000? Not yet. Perhaps im crazy, but i prefer my 79 dual cab
I personally know of 2 people who were so disappointed with the new 300 they sold them and went to the F250, main complaint is the poor quality of the build and materials for the price
@@lunamaria1048Earlier lc300 models had build quality issues and toyota japan even put an apology in japan 😮.I read it on forums.. But those were initial batches only
@@oriondoublecrossed That has nothing to do with what I said, though lol. Every manufacturer has recalls and issues on models. My point was the F250 and LC300 are in totally different segments 😂
You can clearly see at 11:24 how much less articulation and wheel travel the 300 series has compared to the 200. It may ride better, but some of the stuff they say is clearly fluff.
@@rickywhittaker4978 Not at all. These vehicles are SUVs, not work trucks. Toyota over engineered that engine to MORE than handle the power outptut, for just as long as previous models. Example: In America the current 5th gen 4Runner with the 4.0 V6 lasts longer than the 4th generation 4Runner that had a V8, because they engineered it to last. You don't know anything about engineering. There are hyper cars with V6 engines putting out double the power and more. They engineer engines to handle a lot more than the power output of the vehicle. Toyota's torture testing of Land Cruiser engines is unrivaled in the industry. They took years to make sure it was right
@@lunamaria1048 I’m actually planning on buying, I’m from Australia I’ve heard nothing but bad about these v6s you say they are engineered to last longer care to explain? Would the y62 just be a better option for towing in 2024. I really don’t want to but I’m leaning towards a f250 the lowing Capacity? I don’t want a y62 as petrol and we are deep outback Australia with more diesel than petrol around here. Looking to travel remote every corner of aus next year
@@rickywhittaker4978 I never said that. I said the North American 5th gen 4Runner with a 4.0 V6 lasts longer than previous 4th gen 4Runner with that had V8, and said the 300 Series was engineered to last as long as the previous model (200 Series). V6 engines are not universal. They are all engineered different and engineered to produce and handle varying ranges of power, like even a V8. Toyota over engineered the engine to more than handle the power output and for a very long time. Unreliable engines like a lot of American engines are pushing power at their maximum safe limit. Toyota does the opposite They over engineer engines than tune them down below their output capacity, so they last longer. It is actually how engineering should be. Someone saying "nothing but bad things" is nothing but a liar lol. Toyota put years of engineering and torture testing into that engine before releasing it in their flagship SUV.
SO many rusted-on 200 lovers on here, resistant to progress, technology, and change. Had a 100 V8, did >250,000Km in it, then a 200 V8, did another 240,000Km in it. Pulled caravans with both of 'em. Now have a LC300 GR Sport and LOVE IT. Say what you like about the V6, or the lack of cubic feet in the donk, or the 10-speed tranny, or the tricked up eKDSS suspension, etc etc etc. It is a GREAT car both to drive on its own, and also for towing. Current van is a 20.6 weighing in at about 3200Kg packed for travel. I have air bags in the rear coils of the GR-S, and changed the standard tyres to Falken Wildpeak 275/65/R18, and put a bull bar on it. That's it. Best upgraded vehicle ever. Going from the 100 to the 200 was nice, but the 200 to the 300 is fabulous. Just needs an open mind (and wallet) to appreciate it. ;)
How would you say your upgrades cost in total @OriginalNightStalker?
Great to have a review from someone who actually knows vehicle engineering to point out the improvements
Yes but he's not impartial. A 4wd suspension company has an invested interest in ensuring the new model sounds good so they can sell their gear. I think patriot campers did a review on the 300 design and there's definitely some draw backs. Smaller stock tyres is a big let down.
One of the best videos made so far for the LC300 and I kept watching over and over again. I like the way the suspension reacts in every bump. Keep uploading mate! Thanks
I'll be keeping my 200 until the facelift 300 appears by then we will really know how good it is and the aftermarket would have caught up too. The 'new' screens and CarPlay look like they are from a Camry. Same kind of coin for a 300 can get you some really, really nice automobile.
Never buy first generation anything. Let them work out all the bugs.
@@chrisjie2127 If you're broke, maybe lol.
Glad I have a Tough Dog suspension fitted to my Suzuki Jimny! 🐾🙌🏻😁
Just love the 200 V8 more
I was recently overtaken on the freeway at 110km/hr by a 200 and 300 in convoy. Both were towing identical 21’ tandem caravans. Estimated speed they were doing, maybe 125km/hr. The 200 sounded reasonably relaxed, the 300 on the other hand was literally screaming its head off. I will stick with my ever reliable 100 series td ifs.
and me with my venerable 60 series :)
@@rags2rigsrevivingtheoldcru156 I reckon the 60s are the best looking of all the cruisers.
@@philipmann9548 to be fair… the fact that the V8 has less horsepower and torque than a V6 means it is less stressed because even with 2 more cylinders it makes less power
@@animalscars3799 couldn’t agree with you more
@@animalscars3799 I love the 300 and I love the V6, but to be technical that is not true. It all comes down to engine tuning. Divide the figures by the actual displacement and no of cylinders The lc79 is a prime example. it is the most underpowered farm truck out of the box, Toyota tune it extremely conservatively with the intention of longevity because it is so under stressed and when you put it under load it has the engine size and scale to handle it long term. However then people come along and tune them and they achieve crazy figures which sounds great however now you have an engine that is working harder all the time, and when you do put it under load sure it has the power and torque but that is only because everything is now working harder to achieve it, so that conrod that they engineered to handle X amount of load is now having to handle alot more under compression ALL the time, not just under load so unfortunately this compromises engine life. All ICE, especially diesels are becoming smaller displacements yet still acheiving more power, this is being done for one reason and one reason only and it's not for longevity it's for emissions.
Wasn’t much of a comparison it’s more like a constant sales pitch for parts.
i wish ford made the Bronco to suite the left driving markets such as: Australia, South Africa, Kenya.
Txs for this video!!! Which model of the 300 series do you use in this video - GR-S, ZX or GX-R. Have a great day!
11:25 200 11:29 300. 200 for the win. 300 looks to have the flex of a 70 series
No kdss.... so no flex like a 200
like them both diesel .. wish we could of gotten a diesel LC200 in the US ,Toyota priced the LC200 out of the US market , turned it into a $90k US ,luxury wagon one could pay $2000 more for the lexus LX570 and now no LC300 just the Lexus LX 600 is $ 89k US id be happy with a base model LC300 GX 2row gas @70k US thats $101k AUZ $ id buy it over a defender. bronco or wrangler
Every 300 owner I know still prefers towing with the 200 including myself, this is just a tough dog publicity stunt, both good cars but there's still pros & cons.
I’m vxr22 owner I prefer the 22 way way waaaay more than 200 series
Why bc of the V8?
Every? 300 owner lol?
Whats the reasons why you and every 300 series owner you know prefers towing with the 200?
lift kits are advertised as 2.0 in. or 6.0 in. suspension lift kits . . . to the layman his understanding is that his 4WD SUV gets a 2.0 in. (50 MM) lift both at the front & rear axles . . . but that's not the case if I'm correct . . . the suspension lift at rear is actually less than the lift at the front . . . why can't a lifted suspension setup have the same 2.0 inches of suspension lift both at the front & rear . . . the lift on the rear axle is less than the lift on the front axle . . . why? please explain if possible . . .
Question..
The 200 had no badge on the back like a VX but the interior or of a GX or GXL which doesn’t have KDSS, only the VX and Sahara do. And that model 300 does. How’s is that the same comparison?😂
Apple vs bananas?
Also huge weight differences with all that extra gear.
Don't think that 300 was a GR Sport - it didn't have the big 'TOYOTA' badge across the front. So I don't think it would have had eKDSS suspension.
Well it better be the best Land Cruiser since its the newest Land Cruiser! I wanna see a full comparison vs the Ineos Grenadier.
Waiting too to see this comparison
have you dropped the diff in the 300?? because CV braking fun.
I am one of the people who cares about external design. When I feel something not right I will just pass over it. Lc 300 doesn’t feel the right design for me regardless the mechanical enhancements. It could have been designed better in the back and 3rd line seating window.
Plus, I like one of the comments who said new engines made taking emissions into consideration rather than reliability and long life.
In middle east few lc 300 TT engines started to blow already and that is documented in social media. For vehicles in the garage with engine being deassembled.
Unfortunately, no TLC in the USA. I’ll pass on the Lexus and dream of a 300 TLC w/ full lockers
Nobody gives a f about usa
Toyota VP said they might bring it back.
Will this suit the Suzuki Jimny?
Great comparison!
Are the wheels on the 300 there the ROH Havoc's? I was looking at a set of them for when my 300 finally shows up
@@kwequay5605 Hi Kwequay, The wheels on the 300 in the video are the ROH Vapour. Thanks, ROH
I dont care what any product selling reviewer says. Common sense tells me the 300 will be a short lived high performace nightmare. Landcruiser is now no longer what its reputation was built on.
Can anyone tell me what brand of aftermarket mirrors are on the 200 series in the video.
Im an auctioneer in the industry and love my toyotas. Owned 40,60,80,100, 75, 79 200 and a 300 company car. Is 300 better than 200? Yes. More pwr, better brakes, better gbox, better interior better suspension BUT that tailgate 👎 the cruise control 👎 a v8 just seems to deliver the torque better than a 6. Would i part with 100-$150000? Not yet. Perhaps im crazy, but i prefer my 79 dual cab
Tough dog would be the last product I’d ever put on my Landcruiser.
5:47 TOYOTA LAND CRUISER LOVE ❤️🖤🤍
200 all the way.......
请问lc300的轮胎尺寸和避震器升高了多少，澳洲人的改装太具参考性了。
I personally know of 2 people who were so disappointed with the new 300 they sold them and went to the F250, main complaint is the poor quality of the build and materials for the price
Insanity is the real reason
This is silly. Nobody cross shops F250 against the 300 Series lol.
What a complete load of shit 😂
@@lunamaria1048Earlier lc300 models had build quality issues and toyota japan even put an apology in japan 😮.I read it on forums.. But those were initial batches only
@@oriondoublecrossed That has nothing to do with what I said, though lol. Every manufacturer has recalls and issues on models. My point was the F250 and LC300 are in totally different segments 😂
These two models of Land cruiser are the best,the 23/24 models are not so much BEAUTY, CAPABLE off-road truck
Can someone review ironman coilover
You can clearly see at 11:24 how much less articulation and wheel travel the 300 series has compared to the 200. It may ride better, but some of the stuff they say is clearly fluff.
A lighter engine with more power is always welcomed in my rig! 300 Series all day long!
V6 tho lol. Towing will be stressful. These rigs are meant to tow caravans fuck knows why they put a v6 in it.
@@rickywhittaker4978 Not at all. These vehicles are SUVs, not work trucks. Toyota over engineered that engine to MORE than handle the power outptut, for just as long as previous models. Example: In America the current 5th gen 4Runner with the 4.0 V6 lasts longer than the 4th generation 4Runner that had a V8, because they engineered it to last. You don't know anything about engineering. There are hyper cars with V6 engines putting out double the power and more. They engineer engines to handle a lot more than the power output of the vehicle.
Toyota's torture testing of Land Cruiser engines is unrivaled in the industry. They took years to make sure it was right
@@lunamaria1048 woah why are you trying to insult me? Just trying to have a conversation. Have a good day mate
@@lunamaria1048 I’m actually planning on buying, I’m from Australia I’ve heard nothing but bad about these v6s you say they are engineered to last longer care to explain? Would the y62 just be a better option for towing in 2024. I really don’t want to but I’m leaning towards a f250 the lowing Capacity? I don’t want a y62 as petrol and we are deep outback Australia with more diesel than petrol around here. Looking to travel remote every corner of aus next year
@@rickywhittaker4978 I never said that. I said the North American 5th gen 4Runner with a 4.0 V6 lasts longer than previous 4th gen 4Runner with that had V8, and said the 300 Series was engineered to last as long as the previous model (200 Series). V6 engines are not universal. They are all engineered different and engineered to produce and handle varying ranges of power, like even a V8. Toyota over engineered the engine to more than handle the power output and for a very long time. Unreliable engines like a lot of American engines are pushing power at their maximum safe limit. Toyota does the opposite They over engineer engines than tune them down below their output capacity, so they last longer. It is actually how engineering should be.
Someone saying "nothing but bad things" is nothing but a liar lol. Toyota put years of engineering and torture testing into that engine before releasing it in their flagship SUV.
Nah sorry 200 any day
TOYOTA LANDCRUISER ❤️👍
TOYOTA LAND CRUISER LOVE ❤️🖤🤍
11:22 the 200 has all wheels on the ground. 300 lifts a wheel 🤔
Did you clutch your pearls as it happened?
Yeah..the 300 have a shorter wheel travel compare to the 200
Barely a comparison seems liek and advert for a 300 series rather than a true comparison be better
Even if the 300 was bad your definitely not going to say that, you guys when you test drive a car its the furthest from the truth...
The 80 series is still better 😊
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah ？？？
why r u standing so far apart? lol. looks like u dont like each other
Social distancing
@@johnwayne8475 that covid-cultist logic. they're sitting next to each other in the car LOL
300 series is a piece of soft piece of 💩
Just talk?????
300 series is way way better than 200