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What I learned downsizing my record collection

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  • Earlier this summer I did a purge of my record collection (about 150 records I wasn't listening to). I want to tell you about that experience, what I learned, what I did with the money, and maybe provide some food for thought.
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  • @petenamlook18
    @petenamlook18 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Quality over quantity.

    • @analoguecity3454
      @analoguecity3454 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, and yes!

    • @jesusgavemeaids
      @jesusgavemeaids 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's why my collection is so small...& partly because I can't afford to buy records like I used to

    • @QoraxAudio
      @QoraxAudio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jup, no compulsive shopping, best thing you can do 👌

    • @jesusgavemeaids
      @jesusgavemeaids 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Natsushi190 I buy certain records no matter what because I listen to a lot of punk & DIY music & it's usually pressed in low numbers, then either becomes near impossible to find copies or find copies that aren't ridiculously priced when they've sold out. So usually when a band I like releases a new record I get it no Matter what. So I've got some ridiculously expensive stuff in my collection. But I don't plan on selling anyway. I got it to listen to. I might sell it all when I'm older, but only if my son doesn't want any of it.

    • @adrianstafford6423
      @adrianstafford6423 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Love my records,never ever part with any,vinyl,CDs nothing.

  • @misfitsthe8253
    @misfitsthe8253 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Sometimes, “The things you own, end up owning you.”

    • @misfitsthe8253
      @misfitsthe8253 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Eissari4 Recently I have found myself selling or giving away many of my "collections" Old action figures, DVDs, music and stuff. Just trying to minimize with things that i enjoy more often than not. Why keep things tucked away?

    • @QoraxAudio
      @QoraxAudio 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like someone has too much money to burn on useless crap 😜

    • @toneyisaiah408
      @toneyisaiah408 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      We are all hoarders.
      Like it or not.

    • @QoraxAudio
      @QoraxAudio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Mocango Existence is useless, I know.
      Don't take it so literally.

    • @glipk
      @glipk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same with my books

  • @joet_swbo101
    @joet_swbo101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I thin the herd about once a year. I agree with the sentiment of getting records that you love and still listen to. If I don't feel that way I usually don't buy them. My collection is in the hundreds not thousands because of that. I prefer it to be manageable. The ones I sell are either dupes or stuff I feel like I'll never listen to. My dupes are my right now copy until I get that ONE. though I will sometimes keep two. First pressing and 180 gram reissue.

  • @berthanlin8057
    @berthanlin8057 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I started doing the same thing. Buying records for the sake of having them. Then realized I just need to buy the ones I know I will listen to many times. Great vid Frank! Can't wait for the 1200 review.

    • @TheVinylGuru
      @TheVinylGuru 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes! Detox is good!

    • @MarkChapeau
      @MarkChapeau 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I did the same, it’s what makes sense at first but I guess you transition to a more editorial, will I play that often, kind of strategy

  • @writerpatrick
    @writerpatrick 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I got rid of a bunch a while ago, but they were mainly records that I bought for a quarter by artists I never heard of and really didn't care for. Of those I got rid of, I only regretted a little getting rid of one of them. The difference between a collector and a hoarder is that a collector will get rid of things.

  • @gnayr1305
    @gnayr1305 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m so happy that you’re happy with the purge. I’ve done it several times. I’m sure I’ve re-purchased some records through the years, but at the age of 47, I’m bound to do that (even if I already have them at home - LOL). When I moved the last time, I had a goal to sell as many records as it took to buy a new turntable to play those that I wanted to keep. It was beautiful. Now every time I play records, I remember that the turntable was a gift from those sales. Good times! Well done Frank, let’s keep our dearest and send the others to homes that can also enjoy them. Life is short. Share the vinyl love! 🙏🤘

  • @dead_formats
    @dead_formats 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I've got about 18,000 lps and probably about 2000 CDs and Reel to reel tapes. I have listened to about 70% of my collection (some more than once) - so I've happy to keep all my records...

    • @garyharper2943
      @garyharper2943 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      fred234w If you listened to 5 a day it would take 10 years to listen to them all!

    • @RodrigoAlves-bc8qq
      @RodrigoAlves-bc8qq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To buy music (regardless of the format) and not listening to it more than once it's a weird senseless thing. To buy music and not listening that at all, it is even weirder. Why have so much music and 30% of it is still unhearded? Why spend so many in a collection if you're going to listen to some of the albuns just once?

  • @justinmiller9865
    @justinmiller9865 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This applies to pretty much any hobby revolving around collecting. Eventually, you just have to take a step back and get a little introspective. Realize what you just don't need, and purge. I've been collecting action figures for the last decade, and I'm pretty familiar with concept now.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Very true... applicable to more than record collectors, for sure. Thanks for the comment.

  • @theremixproject907
    @theremixproject907 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two of my early careers were a vinyl junky's dream come true. Born with the gift of gab & an instinctive love of music, my heart was set on a job in a radio station. My first 45 purchase was "Big Girls Don't Cry" and "Revolver" the first LP, which should easily date me. By the time "Sgt Pepper" hit retail, I already had my first summer on-air gig at CJAT. Eight years & seven sets of call letters later, my record collection had grown to about 7 large milk delivery crates of albums and 6 wine delivery boxes of 45's. But that was literally a drop in a large bucket compared to what happened in the next eight years of entertaining during the disco era. I had achieved a radio career pinnacle with a prime slot at CKLG-FM (now CFOX) but I couldn't resist the appeal of a live audience response and a much bigger pay cheque. After 8 years of record pool promos & over a thousand import twelve inch singles, I had more vinyl than I could afford to put into storage or move when my next career led me to a mind numbing 23 years of programming business code. The regrets I have of parting with my collection for what amounted to pennies on the dollar will be with me forever.

  • @friedhockeyboogieman3215
    @friedhockeyboogieman3215 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Completely get it. I had over 7000 at one time but realized I wasn’t or wouldn’t listen to a great amount of them. Purged roughly 5000 through local record shows. No regrets and it actually can feel liberating.

  • @poetryonplastic
    @poetryonplastic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Over my roughly 9-10 years of collecting, I have to say the records I have purged are usually the records I bought back when I didn't really know what I was buying. This means a lot of my classic rock reissues with low quality digital remasterings have slowly been replaced over the years. I also used to get a lot of large classical collections for free or close to free, when I finally learned about classical recordings and labels I ended up purging a lot of the low quality garbage , but most of those were either given away or sold to bookstores in bulk, as they weren't worth much of anything. As a classical musician, having a large classical collection can actually be kind of useful. If I find out I'm going to be playing a piece in the coming weeks, I can listen to 2 or 3 different recordings of it from different artists to get a feel for the artistic variation I should expect.

    • @booklover3959
      @booklover3959 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am in awe of classical musicians and classical music so kudos on that and thanks for the cool inside scoop.

  • @TheSylvanpass
    @TheSylvanpass ปีที่แล้ว

    Good move. I don’t think of myself as a collector, but have amassed about 1000 records and CDs since the late 70s. I’ve culled several times and have no regrets. I appreciate your deliberate approach-asking yourself “what’s my end goal?”

  • @artamussumatra6286
    @artamussumatra6286 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don’t have nearly that many records. I usually only buy ones that I really like, and listen to alot.

    • @TheHumbuckerboy
      @TheHumbuckerboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So people lend you albums that you then listen to prior to buying your own copy if you liked that particular album ?

  • @NoMoreHeroesPunkPostPunk
    @NoMoreHeroesPunkPostPunk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Congrats on the downsizing, Frank; but .. even more congratulations on buying yourself that SL1210MK.2! Awesome TT! 🍻

    • @1mctous
      @1mctous 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great vintage Pickering cartridge too.

    • @toneyisaiah408
      @toneyisaiah408 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can understand that you
      had to downsize your record collection.

    • @toneyisaiah408
      @toneyisaiah408 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You have regretted it
      but you did it out of the
      goodness of your heart.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks! 👍

    • @pointsbeingmade7996
      @pointsbeingmade7996 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The god of TT. Still! I have an sl1200mk2 its broken so the needle skips yet the sound is just 10/10

  • @VintageLuxmanStereoCollector
    @VintageLuxmanStereoCollector 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice vid Frank! FYI - I donated 67 LPs to Goodwill last Monday. Thanks for inspiring me to thin the herd. Can’t wait to see an upcoming episode on your heavy metal Technics TT.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Heavy indeed Virgil! Stay well, my friend.
      Frank

  • @musicman257
    @musicman257 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    i did the same thing a while back and don't have any regret Love the new turntable you need to do a video on it don't change the cartridge Pickering is a good cartridge !!!!

    • @paulkane2391
      @paulkane2391 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have the same cartridge - It's a true great. Needs a new stylus, but dang, is it sweet.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I will do a vid. I LOVE the Pickering. It did not come with the turntable... I added it after the fact. Sounds sweet on the MK2!

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Paul... I originally bought a cheaper replacement stylus for the Pickering ($30 range) and it did no favors for the cart. Then I went with a premium, after-market JICO, and it really made the Pickering sing (night and day different from the cheap one). Cost me almost $200 for JICO (from what I can recall), but it was worth every penny.
      Frank

  • @docvader82
    @docvader82 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I’ve been guilty off buying more just to buy more.
    I’ve also been guilty of buying because I thought someone else would expect it to be in my collection. I had to purge myself of thay weajnewwb

  • @audiophilesallowed6479
    @audiophilesallowed6479 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I’ve done a lot of thinking about the all “killer, no filler” VC mentality. I get it. But I’m so new to the scene that I don’t know what “filler” is yet because I’m learning new artists and genres all the time. I think it takes some time and progression to get to that stage. Right now, I weed as I go, giving away what I don’t feel as I don’t feel it.

    • @gringogreen4719
      @gringogreen4719 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great post! If this is new to you, don't worry. This video will resonate with you down the road when either you have a larger collection or decide to move on from buying records to something else. I would suggest trading vs just giving records away as financially once those records are worth more, you may come to regret it. I do give things away sparingly bit really the right record to the right person.😉👍✨

    • @ThiKu
      @ThiKu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have a little over 30 records. I “curated” a list of about 250. I have no intention to go over that. It’s important to have the time to love what you have not love to have.

    • @audiophilesallowed6479
      @audiophilesallowed6479 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kurt Thiessen agreed!

    • @audiophilesallowed6479
      @audiophilesallowed6479 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gringo Green I have little nieces that are into vinyl. I enjoy passing it on to them. 😊

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is a good point. Glad you are getting into vinyl. Enjoy the journey!
      Frank

  • @georgewilson1457
    @georgewilson1457 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's better to have a collection that you love ,than a collection for the size.

  • @dm95422
    @dm95422 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I only purged once. No regrets. I digitized most of my vinyl & tape collection, and only kept about 2 dozen LP's. Very happy.

  • @Vinylfreak85
    @Vinylfreak85 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    No reason to keep records just to look at them! Another great video!

  • @dougf8180
    @dougf8180 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great topic Frank. I too am to embark on my first thinning of the collection. I admit to being both excited and hesitant. I respect all those commenters who regard this action as criminal, but my new perspective is one of space and footprint. In a condo apartment there is only so much sq.ft I can allocate for my collection. That said, the surviving records from my collection will have merit and personal worth. I look forward to the result.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome. Good luck with the thinning fo the collection, Doug.
      Frank

  • @vagdim69
    @vagdim69 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I also downsized a bit my collection during the quarantine days and all i can say is that i became much wiser concerning my buys after that.

  • @roguesquatch1
    @roguesquatch1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm 10 years in and have firmly established a habit of only buying stuff I know I will listen to more than once. When I see giant collections I am certain that there are just not that many albums out there worth buying!

  • @dmhergott
    @dmhergott 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can't wait for a vid on the Technics. Been wanting one for a long time. Mk2 vs Mk5

  • @declanphoenix9368
    @declanphoenix9368 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm both collector and a daily listener. I'm that person that will buy the different country pressings and limited edition colours of the same record. At one point in my life I sold just under 100 records I didn't listen to for what they were worth at the time. Now they are records I want to listen to and some of them are worth 3-6 times what I paid for to re-buy. I've vowed to never cull again, because you just never know when you'll want it.

  • @turntablesrockmyworld9315
    @turntablesrockmyworld9315 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just did a purge of 400 records, no duplicates. I set that standard and did it. Don't miss them. Got some money. Now it is *slightly* more mangeable at about 3000 records.

  • @ronnywilson2112
    @ronnywilson2112 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm also downsized my collection too since 2010. I sold a lot of stuff to friends that I discovered that I really didn't considered necessary or really unique. Of corse I keep Limited Editions or Box Sets. Now I have more space and get back a lot of money.

  • @hofy3393
    @hofy3393 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My last purge was in late 2016. Sold off 82 records on Discogs. Most of them I have on CD so no real loss of music. I have repurchased about half of these. Of these I actually made money. Prime example is Motorhaed Ace of Spades. I had the deluxe 3 disc set. Got what I paid for it. A year later I bought the single disc version for $12. "The music is the only real obsession, the gear is (almost) all temporary." -chicks

  • @mactherecordranger6252
    @mactherecordranger6252 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    By purging one's collection, you release many from the lonely captivity of your overcrowded shelves back into the wild so someone else can hunt them down. Every record has it's rightful owner!

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Indeed. This is a great way to look at it.
      Frank

    • @booklover3959
      @booklover3959 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is a beautifully put into words and a great thought. Thanks. Every old sock needs an old shoe.

  • @vagdim69
    @vagdim69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had the same issue with the 7" singles. One day i came up with an idea: instead of getting rid of them for a few euros, i added them as supplements/bonus to relevant albums (inside the album's outter sleeves). I'm very happy since then!

  • @raggeragnar
    @raggeragnar 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I also downsized my collections last month. Not the vinyls though , because I only got about 250-300 yet. No , I slashed among the DVD’s , CD’s , Books , Magazines , Comics , Boardgames and computer/video games on account of man-cave renovation. Now I can fit a little more albums.

  • @gregorypegg7402
    @gregorypegg7402 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I read a quote recently that said "a collection without purpose is just a bunch of stuff". That made me think... I had about 2500 albums I had been collecting since I was a kid in the mid 70's. Just to "build a collection/library". A couple months ago I sold about 1500 of them "for a song". I was happy to let them go. Very liberating. They went to a good home. I am now just focusing on what I like, not getting "everything I can". Example, I don't NEED every AC/DC album. I will NEVER play them. Still buying, but now with focus...

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Liberating.. that is very applicable here. That is exactly how I felt after trimming some of the fat from the collection. I did not want "just a bunch of stuff." We have been going through this process throughout our household, getting rid of "stuff" and decluttering. It's great!

  • @dixielandfarm
    @dixielandfarm 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a video I just put up - I went through my collection to make sure I had a digital version of any albums I would be upset if I could never have again - the list remarkably was around 300 or so. Having about 3k CDs and 3k vinyl records - it is amazing to assess what you love. I am glad to have my collection, but I found as long as I have a digital version of anything I purge, I don't feel anything but better at liberating myself.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is a good way to look at things. I saw your.vid in my feed. I will check it out!

  • @marleypumpkin4917
    @marleypumpkin4917 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a bit of an addiction to buying cds especially when they are €1 in the charity shop. The majority I don’t listen to. If I did a purge I’d put them up on eBay. Thanks Frank!

  • @2574mcu
    @2574mcu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't sell any of my sentimental albums. I'm 57 years old and I still have my United artists soundtrack of the Beatles A hard days night I got when I was 5 years old. It's still playable. I took care of them even at a young age. My parents said if I left them out of the sleeves or abused them, they wouldn't buy me anymore.

  • @stlydan
    @stlydan 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never thought about it until I saw this, but I guess I gradually thin my collection by giving them to my 22 year old daughter to introduce her to different artists. She's grown up listening to dad's vinyl and is very knowledgeable and has a very nice system. Bonus, they never really leave me by giving them to the kid,

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is a great way to pass on you love for music. Great approach. And I am sure your daughter loves that you do this.
      Frank

  • @TheComposingCook
    @TheComposingCook 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have allocated myself a certain amount of space for my vinyl collection (mind you, it is a big space lol) but as soon as that space is filled, its time to clear some stuff out. That's how I keep my collection under control. You are probably wondering, "Why is someone who has a Cooking Channel commenting here?" I love food and I love vinyl and I find your channel, and you as a person, very engaging and articulate. You're videos's are amazing, so keep up the great work and I look foward to more of your future videos.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you very much. I love food too... I will check out your channel!
      Frank

    • @TheComposingCook
      @TheComposingCook 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Frank.

  • @chrisatkins6711
    @chrisatkins6711 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just recently had a big purge of " might be an idea to keep these" cds. Always had the opinion that " I might listen to this one day" and five years later it still remains implanted or played once, and back I go to my classic albums. It's too easy to collect things to be cool. I've cut my own collection down from 2000 cds to about 200 that are constantly played, and now they are mega cheap it's easy to buy the items you really like. Too easy to fall into buying stuff just for the sake of it.

  • @hi-fihaven2257
    @hi-fihaven2257 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Frank! When it comes to record collecting, I only buy ones that I know I will play a lot. I started only buying new record a few years ago. The price of new records these days, that keeps me in check pretty well. Have a great one!

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So true. New vinyl can set you back in the poor house real quick, if you are not careful.
      Thanks for the comment.
      Frank

  • @ThatVinylChannel
    @ThatVinylChannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad you got most of them sold. Here is something you don't think about. I am in many Facebook vinyl groups and we're constantly sharing information about our collections. If someone asks a question and I have that album, I can run quick and get it and give them an answer. You'd be surprised how often I have done that. It helps build the online community and even friendships. So, I just don't think about how often I play them.

  • @MikeGuitarPlayer07
    @MikeGuitarPlayer07 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah man...I've bought records for the sake of buying too! After seeing your first video I went through my collection and got rid of around 50 records that weren't getting any attention!

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sometimes, it must be done.

  • @vintageandvinyl
    @vintageandvinyl 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great turntable you got with the money. You will be very happy with that. It’s good to keep the ones you really like. You have to be choosy or you will run out of room.

  • @Koshka42
    @Koshka42 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I get the 'buying it to buy it', I've had to stop myself from doing that. I was buying things I felt I "should" have but wasn't actually interested in listening to. Same with books and DVDs/Blu-Rays.

  • @Keziapurrs
    @Keziapurrs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Congratulations on the new turntable!!!! I hopefully will own one of those in due time! Take care, Frank!

  • @TheHumbuckerboy
    @TheHumbuckerboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I sold hundreds of CDs over the last several years and mostly I don't regret doing so but with a few exceptions. I regret selling 'No Mean City' by Nazareth and also a couple of Led Zeppelin and Jimi Hendrix albums. One that I ended up re-buying is 'Tubular Bells' by Mike Oldfield and I am really happy to have it back in my collection.

  • @harmlessrebel868
    @harmlessrebel868 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You did much better than me. I purged my collection of about 300 albums about a year ago and they are still sitting on the floor of my office. I have definitely gotten a lot pickier about what I buy, but there have been so many killer represses lately that it's been hard. The SL1200 mk2 was a nice choice, I love mine, though I have really been considering getting a mk5. How all is well Frank, take care brother.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Brother Steve! Good luck with your purge. So far I am loving the MK2. I will stay tuned to see if you end up getting an MK5 (if so, I would be interested in your thoughts).
      Frank

  • @TheHSIHP
    @TheHSIHP 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm always purging my collection. I just got rid of some Black Keys albums that I know I will never listen to again but I kept their debut. No regrets!

    • @xxdash07xx
      @xxdash07xx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I dig the Black Keys..but the only one I like well enough to own is El Camino

  • @richardmorgan1588
    @richardmorgan1588 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the identical Technics SL1200 MK2 in black! It’s the best turntable I’ve ever owned and I don’t expect I’ll ever need a “better” one! I’m running Ortofon 2m Blue. Perfect combination! I currently have 3 turntable setups which are all Technics. The other two are linear tracking and they work but my 1200 is still the best!

  • @stephenrostkoski837
    @stephenrostkoski837 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've thinned out my LP collection several times. The only time I regretted it was when I sold my US Beatle LPs (all of which I've since bought back). That's when I learned that sometimes your collection also contains memories. Most of the rest I don't remember what they were. As for gear, my dad and I both bought Technics turntables in the 1970s. I ended up getting rid of mine and regretted it for decades. My dad kept his and I got it when he passed away a few years ago. It needed a little replacement and repair, but the turntable works and sounds great. Your new turntable looks amazing! Enjoy!

  • @daveduffy2823
    @daveduffy2823 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a little over 100 LP’s that are my second collection. I sold the first bunch years ago. I ripped my CD’s and gave them to the library. I now have a new collection that I listen too. I take one hour a day to listen to something undisturbed. Now that my kids are grown, I finally have more time.

  • @xxdash07xx
    @xxdash07xx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I recently did a small purge myself and do not regret it. they were mostly ones i didnt listen to anymore. just making room for the ones I'm still acquiring that i know i will enjoy more. I only own a few duplicates with good reason (good for me anyway).
    Really enjoy your vids,good sir.

  • @masonmoss2993
    @masonmoss2993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    9:33 is shot in Vinyl Solution Records Store in San Mateo, California
    It's always cool to see places you've worked featured in videos you watch and its the second time I've seen this store showed on your channel!
    Thanks Frank.

  • @JGYokohama1
    @JGYokohama1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yeah... I deeply regret about a box worth's I purged when I was moving internationally. Others I don't remember. Quality over quantity for sure. Some were rare punk albums that I will never be able to replace in a million years because they might have been a little more on the fringe of my tastes at the time. Others were common rock records I though I could find for a buck later. Now that stuff that used to be a buck is 50 bucks all day long. Errrrr.

  • @TerryT1976
    @TerryT1976 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Before purging any LPs, I make very sure that they are NOT something extra special that I cannot replace such as a rarity like the Josie and the Pussycats on Capitol, quad remix albums or a special pressing of a Disney LP. Common ones are an easy target as they are easy to find i.e. Roger Williams, Switched on Bach, Mickey Mouse Disco, etc. Also, I have a specific list of albums that are near and dear to me and when I shop for vinyl, I have a specific search for titles. Eventually, some albums will serve to be put in frames for artwork.

  • @LowNoiseJasonSkilz
    @LowNoiseJasonSkilz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like to do regular purges.. and often it is some Heavy Metal records that I bought at the time and listened to maybe once or twice. I would rather move them on to other collectors even if I lose some money on the process. With a collection over 8,000 I cant keep growing it. I have to cut some down all the time. I can lose about 1000 records and barely notice. That said I did re-buy a few records I have sold but you know what thats just the price of the hobby. No regrets. I would have more regrets hanging on too long to records I dont play or listen to much. Same applies for my growing CD collection too. Cheers!

  • @jameschant2740
    @jameschant2740 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kudos Frank on striking a fine balance between quantity and quality of your record collection. Reinvesting the money you made from your record sale towards a new turntable was a brilliant move. Cheers !

  • @lpspinners8736
    @lpspinners8736 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have sold 60% of my collection - mainly now that I'm much older, I prefer the convenience of CD's again. Do LP's sound better? Well, yeah, if you want to invest quite a bit to get to that magic level of sound. But now, I am shifting to headphone listening 85% of the time and you know what? Those CD's, in my opinion, sound great through headphones with tube amplification. So, I can kick back in my favorite chair with a drink and just relax with my music. Good thing is when I bought an LP, I purchased the CD along with the LP, so all of the LP's I have recently sold, I still have on CD. The money from my LP sales is funding a high-end tube amp / headphone amp. Do I feel remorse? My wife says I will. Personally, no regrets. I am feeling good with my decision.

  • @7JANEWAY
    @7JANEWAY 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, Frank, for using my comment in your video!!! This certainly does prove that you read everybody’s comments.
    Keep up the good work-I’ll be watching!!!

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I try to read all the comments, but don't always have a chance to respond. Thanks for tuning in!
      Frank

  • @vinylcrow3789
    @vinylcrow3789 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's a great idea to purge the things that barely or never get played. To me vinyl is a premium format and being that they can go for a good amount of money my rule is to only get stuff I'll play, and quality over quantity. The few things I do have that never get played are my aunt Brenda's worn out Beatles records she gave me because they're OG Aus pressings and aren't worth selling anyway.
    Thing is my collection is also combined with some of my Dad's stuff a good amount of records that sit unplayed are his.
    When we go to a record shop or fair he gets a hanful of filler mainly because "It was only $5", while I might get only three things that costed around $40 or over but it's great stuff all the way through

  • @TheVinylGuru
    @TheVinylGuru 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love that you did this. You are *awesome.*
    PS - you pulled a Kiss and made a puppet outta yourself?!?! Epic merch! haha

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Guru! No, I did not make the puppet. My friend Gil's wife made it for me. It is definitely a prized possession!
      Frank

  • @jmfloyd23
    @jmfloyd23 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s awesome you have the Technics table you’ve always wanted. I have a 1200 MkII as well. It’s a solid piece! I replaced the rubber mat with the Achromat by funk. I interchange between 3 carts. Shure SC35C for 45’s, Shure M97x and Ortofon 2M red for Lp’s. I picked up the 2M blue awhile back but haven’t gotten around to using it. I look forward to seeing your review soon. Happy spinning🎵😎

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Max! The Anchromat looks interesting. I just ordered an acrylic mat for the 1200. Curious to see how that sounds. Have a great week.
      Frank

  • @yanks1fan09
    @yanks1fan09 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A friend of mine at work gave me his record collection which are all original pressings from the 80's and 90's of Metallica, Slayer, Iron Maiden , Merciful Fate and Exciter I couldn't believe the value they have. I also have an SL1200 MK2 which I just hooked up silver and pretty new. Looking to add an Ortofo 2M Blue to it.

  • @tomfurgas2844
    @tomfurgas2844 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aside from the cash you got for the records, probably the best thing is that you will think twice about buying any new albums from now on. I am sure this experience makes you more appreciative of the music you still have in the collection. In any case, I know you take excellent care of your albums, so I know the buyers who snapped them up will be very pleased with their quality. Win-win situation.

  • @2574mcu
    @2574mcu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't regret downsizing my record collection. I had so many. I don't think I would live long enough to play them all. I m talking a few thousand records. They would have filled a medium size U Haul. I wanted to open a used record store but became disabled. What I have left, I put them on discogs so when I'm gone,my family knows what they are worth. I can see them selling my expensive ones for a buck. I put stickers on the back of every piece of audio equipment with a price they should sell them for.

  • @TorontoJon
    @TorontoJon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:07 Haha! That Frank puppet is fantastic! :)

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A friend made it for me. I love the puppet!

  • @2574mcu
    @2574mcu 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had about 1800 albums and downsized to 1100. I may get rid of more. I had people say I will give 5 bucks for the box. A lot of people wanted me to practically give them away. 98 percent of my albums are near mint. The others would be VG++.I would buy an album and tape it on reel to reel tape. Then I would put the record on the shelf where it would sit in some cases for decades without being played.

  • @elizabethveldonstuff
    @elizabethveldonstuff 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have a small number of records (about 60) that a friend had held onto for me when i moved from england to scotland. i had forgotten about these and visited her to collect them again and all those record have a sentimental place in my heart - they're quite often below the standard i would normally have in my collection but i was listening to some of these actual records when i was in university.

  • @ericmackrodt9441
    @ericmackrodt9441 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just keep my favorite records.
    If there's an album I suddenly want to listen too and I don't have the record, I'll go to Spotify (assuming it's available). That might be a crime to some audiophiles out there but legit. My comfort in my place comes above some minor improvement in audio quality, that I probably won't be able to tell anyway.
    I have records not for the sound quality but for the nostalgia and experience.

  • @VinylAthletes
    @VinylAthletes 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have done this before. A few times actually, the biggest purge I did was 2000 records at one time. I felt good about it because I was at a point where my tastes shifted and I also had too many records. I kept all
    The records I felt I would never see again and also kept records I enjoyed more than others. Now I am more specialized on my record buying and have carefully curated my current collection to what I feel is all killer and no filler LOL

  • @ke6533
    @ke6533 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video as always. Congrats on the new addition to your set up. I've heard the SL1200s are top notch. I am looking to upgrade my set up too, but will have to wait until I find a new job.

  • @paulkane2391
    @paulkane2391 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the best Sunday Episodes in a while. Really thought-provoking and I enjoyed it.
    Here are my thoughts: You accomplished what you set out to do - acquire the SL-1200. This makes it a solid victory in my book.
    I buy records often times based on labels (Verve, Stax, Windham Hill, Blue Note, etc.) because what they made generally ran to a good level of quality and musical type.
    I sometimes buy duplicates of what I like KNOWING I'll very likely give it away.
    I am buying records more often now based on a "hunch" of what might be in the grooves. I'm spending less than $2.00 per album typically, so this is not a huge risk.
    I listen at least once to everything I buy. I've been buying and listening for decades.
    I generally don't get rid of records (unless I give them away), since I'm collecting for those down the road as well. Once I'm gone, there has been some interest from my immediate family in the collection, and they might like stuff even if I'm not a huge fan.
    Bottom line - once I'm gone, it's not going to matter. "You can keep my things, they've come to take me home." - Peter Gabriel

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Paul. I like that Peter Garbirel quote. You have used it in previous comments. Wise words.
      Frank

  • @gringogreen4719
    @gringogreen4719 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! If you do a purge right you don't miss them. If you do it wrong then you either regret or replace the album. I ended up writing a long thread below but there are good tips based on 30+ years of collecting music below.
    I do what you do and usually I go and trade them at Zia Records here in the Phoenix area. I usually get something that I want instead.I rarely miss what I sell or trade as I have so many other things to listen to or watch (they do DVDs too).
    If this is a first time of thining the heard there are a few good guidelines to go by:
    1. If you bought a record(or CD, use these interchangeably) to try a band/artist/album that you just don't feel after two or three listens, you won't miss it.
    2. If you bought an album of an artist because of being a complete-ist but it doesn't reach you, you won't really miss it.
    3. If you haven't listened to it or wanted to listen to it in...lets say...3 years...I doubt you will miss it.
    4. If you got it because of an ex...really just get rid of it! Do I really need to explain this?!?!
    5. If it's a genre you are no longer into, trade it for something you want or something new you want to get into.
    6. If you never listen to it or bought it "just because" I promise you the chances of missing it is like winning the lottery.
    Now here is where you may regret if you do get rid of them.
    1. If its a rare item or the only one that you have come across. I tend to hang onto these.
    2. If your significant other or parents tell you to get rid of them. Most likely you will replace these once your living situation has changed.
    3. If there is a STRONG emotional bond with a album ie like a best friend gave it to you. Replacing the album wont replace THAT album.
    4. If you are not sure whether you want to keep it or not. You bought it, unless you are in a financial situation where selling records is the lesser of evils, just sit on it. Its a 50/50 if you will forget or replace what you sold.
    Keep in mind MOST of your collection can be replaced. Some albums may just be harder to find or more expensive to replace than the first time.
    Now I'm a guitarist (if you couldn't tell by my pic) and I have owned over 60 plus guitars. What I can tell you is that collecting records is a lot like buying guitars. If you sell the wrong thing you just end up buying the same thing later if you were not ready to let it go. Usually replacing one thing with a better item is more of a win-win situation. Of the guitars I do not have I will say more or less 12 of them I wish I still had. But sometimes getting rid of something sends you down another path that you would not have otherwise taken. Keep in mind all this information is autobiographical and my opinion.
    I will leave you with one last thing. I tend to buy things that I see myself having in five years. The pro of this is it helps me with impulse purchases (I have them from time to time, it used to be worse). The con is that I usually hold onto things perhaps a little longer then maybe I could or should. Also those things can be traded/sold for other things you want or need. Hope these things help.😉👍✨

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very good tips and I like your comparison to guitars. I play as well. Some guitars I have sold over the years and really regret, mostly notably an SG I sold in the mid-90s to pay rent. I also like your five-year rule. Good food for thought.
      Frank

    • @gringogreen4719
      @gringogreen4719 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Channel33RPM
      Thanks Frank! I love the content you produce. One of the guitars is an SG but its a Samick not a Gibson. I got it dialed in eight. I did have a Gibson but it was not bad nor great...just alright. Keep up the great work!😉👍✨

  • @tinostabile3256
    @tinostabile3256 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Frank,
    Nice to see. Love the 33 RPM song. Frank, it is a dilemma that we collectors all go through. We tend to buy the same CD's that we have somewhere. For me I am a collector to listen to them.... although I keep them in excellent condition but never to sell just for me... and when I pass on.... leave it to someone that will appreciate as much as me.... and in excellent condition is
    way of respecting the collection and the people we are ultimately leaving it for.
    Ah time.... is the enemy and not the collection... 'cause unfortunately as the Stones sang... Time Waits for No one. So I say live and enjoy them... catalog them if you have a lot, insure them
    but for Pete's Sake enjoy them. tt is a God given gift, this gift of music.
    Your points are extremely valid and yes I agree we need to just buy the music that we know will rotate more often in our listening experience.
    Regretting is not a pleasuring experience.
    God bless, enjoy the food for the soul and keep well,
    Tino

  • @Sonixdeathmonkey
    @Sonixdeathmonkey 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    H Frank! Greetings from Singapore!!! I Feeel ya on this. cuz i recently did some purging myself (MY 3RD IN DOING SO), sold off some of my stuff including some cd's over the wkend to a local record store and some which i sold on some local auction site. Not regretting it one single bit! Used the money that i got selling the records and cd's for a tape deck and a pair of speakers that i've been eyeing for. All at the same time i created some shelf space.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Greetings from Canada. Glad to hear you re-invested back into the system. Congrats.

    • @Sonixdeathmonkey
      @Sonixdeathmonkey 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Channel 33 RPM yeah! Just like you ✌🏼and at the same time giving back to the vinyl community as well as i know that those stuff that i sell off goes others that will appreciate it more. Btw been on your channel for awhile now and yeah, really do enjoy it much. ✌🏼

  • @booklover3959
    @booklover3959 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have purged a few times and I really enjoyed it and was happy about it. There are a couple of records I regret getting rid of though. I never would have sold my mono promo original first Hendrix record. I kick myself hard now. And I would not have sold my original Lost and Found record on International Artists label. Sometimes I forget what I have and what I sold.

  • @pointsbeingmade7996
    @pointsbeingmade7996 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Less can be more and the ones I dont have someone else enjoys. Bless!

    • @pointsbeingmade7996
      @pointsbeingmade7996 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That Said some of the records i have sold i really hurt from selling and i have some regrets☔️

  • @beechwoods1969
    @beechwoods1969 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol. I have a Technics SL1210 MKII with a Pickering XV-15 / 625E cartridge. It's a fantastic combination. You will love it.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got it, and I do love it!

  • @mattsmith2992
    @mattsmith2992 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome to hear it all went well. The classic saying of less is more applies here. I find myself buying records that I want to listen to. Not just collect.

  • @wyattmerrill2588
    @wyattmerrill2588 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My collection got to be about 200 albums, I didn’t sale any but took about half to my Mom’s house because she has a collection too. I feel content with the size because I really enjoy every album I have. No fillers just quality music I enjoy.

  • @Flannelsurfer
    @Flannelsurfer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I purged a large percentage of collection once out of necessity, and have spent the last 5 years rebuilding it. As long as the money from sale is not being wasted on booze and/ or drugs or other crap there’s nothing to regret, And rebuilding is actually really fun.

  • @damianp564
    @damianp564 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good stuff, Frank. I was one of the ones that asked about being nickel and dimed. Years ago I tried selling some very reasonably priced and not common LPs at a garage sale. All I kept getting was "I'll give you a buck." One guy was such a flea that I had to tell him to get lost. Perhaps it's all about location.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I hate that nickel and diming. I think at a garage sale, people except cheap stuff. I took a different approach. I posted these for sale in a vinyl group, where (I'd like to think) people are aware of the value of what they are buying.

    • @damianp564
      @damianp564 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Channel33RPM Good point on the vinyl group. Thanks!

  • @jobarrios
    @jobarrios 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You raise very important points, I just have not been able to go through the process I always hav second thoughts.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fair enough. Don't do it, if you are not comfortable with the idea.
      Frank

  • @mauricebonnett9537
    @mauricebonnett9537 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes I'm guilty of buying records for the sake of vinyl records but when I buy those records I still like those records and I tried to play everything that I purchase it gets addictive😳

  • @lukethegardenman3747
    @lukethegardenman3747 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've just got my 1200 mk11 with a custom paint job, love it..👍

  • @henrys3629
    @henrys3629 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Starting one and believe me, nothing would make me any money. If 20 goes out I will be shocked. I wanted to do 50-100. Purge means nothing if you buy more and don't make a dent. Everything going out cost 1.50 or less.

  • @MogoPrime
    @MogoPrime 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My record collection is only now filling up a single square cubby and I think a lot about what's the right amount to strive for. Some day I'll have many more records, but I think I'm going to evaluate my purchases more seriously and probably shy away from the 7" singles. Like you, I very rarely ever want to deal with them. Thanks!

  • @markm9240
    @markm9240 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Frank, Awesome vid. I do that with my cds every so often, but I've gotten to the point of only owning music on physical copy that I know I will revisit every so often. With vinyl, I have two rules: Will I listen to the whole thing and do I already have on cd? Answer to the first one must be a YES. Answer to the second one is the question "What makes this worth having on vinyl? Sometimes it's price, record store day exclusive (Collective Soul "HInts...." Crow Soundtrack ) which I do have both on cd as well. Maybe its a color vinyl (King Diamond Reissues) or a classic record from the 60s to the 80s. I try not to have too many that I have on both cd and vinyl. Other then that, when I get new music, I try to listen to it first via spotify or youtube to see if it's worth owning, Then I decide what format and price is the best. My metal is mostly on cd. Classic stuff and more ambient music is on vinyl because that is a better listening experience in my opinion. Those are just my thoughts when I decide which physical format I want. Rock on!

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like your two rules, Mark. Makes sense.
      Frank

  • @Drivehead103
    @Drivehead103 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love my Technics sl 1200 MK5. I use ortofon 2m black and Audio Technica 440 MLB mounted in sumiko headshell with audioquest interconnects and project tube box S phono preamp. Got into vinyl in 2016 and I was buying a lot. I have now slowed my vinyl purchases down. I cannot afford to purchase everything that I hear on TH-cam that I like. Many times I purchased the vinyl and CD and do a sound comparison. No need in playing the vinyl if it does not sound better than the CD. Most of the time vinyl sounds better. But not always.

  • @steves1083
    @steves1083 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    When my collection hit the 1,000 mark, I decided to take a pause and evaluate each record in my collection. I’m listening to all of them and deciding which ones to keep.
    Congratulations on finding a beautiful SL-1200 Mk2! I bought a silver Mk2 and I absolutely love it. I look to your future videos on the Mk2. Also, I hope you can compare it to your other turntables you have featured on your channel, like the Project Debut Carbon, Fluance RT 85, and the U-turn Orbit.

  • @stephenjerome4135
    @stephenjerome4135 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. I personally don't think I could bring myself to get rid of any of my record collection because I have so many that I really like and there's always that chance that one day you may want to listen to that ONE album again you no longer have. I think I would regret it later and end up buying it again. However I do make one exception though if I found I had duplicates of albums I already have because I've bought an album forgetting that I've got it already, which happens quite often with me, then I don't mind getting rid of some.

  • @arianrhod9588
    @arianrhod9588 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Frank. Thanks so much for sharing these experiences. A LOT of this rings really true. Very helpful and definitely food for thought. Hope you and the lady are both keeping well.

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! Yes, all is well here.

  • @BlondeReaganite
    @BlondeReaganite 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never need to purge my collection because I don't buy records just to buy them..I only buy the ones that I absolutely love and that get played.. I never understood wasting money on buying records just to store them in shelves.. Never made sense to me because you are never going to listen to all that music..but too many people think the more they have the cooler they are 🤷‍♀️

  • @robertendsley7124
    @robertendsley7124 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely beautiful TT!!!!

  • @PopCultureGraveyard
    @PopCultureGraveyard 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video, Frank! I have been vacillating on whether to do a purge for a while now. As a former full-time DJ (and someone who occasionally still DJs over Twitch), I can never decide what to get rid of. Even some "lesser" albums have just one great song I still spin. But I'm also guilty of assigning too much sentiment to certain LPs. Also as I've gotten older I find that my tastes have changed, and stuff I put off listening to before now really speaks to me. Future me is worried about purging future favorites. Sounds like you're a pro now after multiple purges. Kudos!

  • @nelsonmaud1
    @nelsonmaud1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    agree with you and some people buy certain albums beause there popular or recommend ive never done that if i just as a example making it up if i dont like pink floyd im not gonna buy them cause others like them or there popular no matter if i dont like there style i never will

  • @cheapcheerfulrecordcollect8071
    @cheapcheerfulrecordcollect8071 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for featuring my comment. Looks like you had a successful purge. Congrats on the deck, looking forward to your review of how it’s working for you.

  • @chichopandegloria7851
    @chichopandegloria7851 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah...I'm going this situation myself myself...appx 10,000 lp'S...2000 45'S....1000 DVDS/BLU-RAYS....400 CASSETTES.....2000 CD'S...500 VHS TAPES. Lots of BOX SETS...and I'm a renter. The stuff is all neatly filed/crated/stored in crates and Bags Unlimited boxes...But I have serious anxiety about what's going to happen if/when I have to leave this place(or move to another)havemobility issues.... I moved here 14 years ago,i moved the then 80+ boxes of LP's all by myself with a hand truck and storing them at my work's warehouse....But I wasn't walking with a cane then. Now I estimated that my LP records alone would take at least 150 crates/boxes...those Container Store crates weigh appx 45-50 Lbs when full....I t's getting harder to pick them up.
    I've told my co-workers that if I die suddenly,to make sure they get a key to my apartment so they can empty out all my stuff. I've only have 2 close relatives and they live 3500 miles away from me...and besides...they've already told me that they don't want my stuff anyways.

  • @MelindaMurphy
    @MelindaMurphy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It sounds like you sold some records to improve the overall quality of your listening experience. I had a garage sale recently and threw some of my duplicate copies of records into it. I used the money to help buy that Ozzy box set I had been wanting. I think we both did good. 😃

    • @Channel33RPM
      @Channel33RPM  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Re-investing in the collection! Good stuff Melinda!

  • @jrob7794
    @jrob7794 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love so many different genres. I'll get into this one or that one and it's always evolving, and I always come back to it. Keeps me occupied through the Alberta winters!