Fun fact: for almost every high end production that uses LED walls, VFX artists end up doing roto and replacing all of the LED wall imagery with offline-rendered CG. The only actual benefit is accurate reflections and that is why a lot of productions now simply project blue screen wherever the camera is pointed to eliminate roto in post. I attended a talk by the Image Engine guys who worked on Netflix's Avatar show. They said both the LED wall and live camera track were not good enough for delivery and had to be re-done in post.
@LFPAnimations So true. LED is great for reflections, but unless your character wears chrome armour, green/blue screen will cause less of a headache in post. Throw in some real-time image based lighting, and you can get great results.
Hello Joshua, I run a small production company in Korea, and I came across your channel while searching for information to help achieve my goal of having a future LED studio. I believe you'll become an even bigger TH-camr someday. I'm cheering for you!
Dude thanks to you n progress in 3d gaussian, i m trying to make a good looking budget indie film .. but a lot of troubleshoot n workflow need to be done. I dont have access to jetset but you do. So here is a suggestion, take most mid- ambitious or complex scens of hollywood an redo it ( like media division is doing with the killer recreation) u learn a lot personally but also u n team troubleshoot entire thing n come up with great tools to solve those issue n time wasters or wait slugs while also making the scene top notch jn virtual prod. N e everyone wins, including studio adoption when the see output matching real world references.
Hi Joshua! Your content is really cool. I've been doing a lot of testing and doing some work with virtual production. I've done some stuff with LED panels using Unreal Engine in conjunction with Disguise. And I recently did some advertising films looking for a cheaper solution. And the best combination I could find was using Mars with a laser projector. In a few weeks I'll do some testing with the projector and Jetset, and as soon as I do I'll comment here. Big shout from Brazil!
@@olesiaesenzholova2036 Hi Bro! What exactly do you want to know? Unfortunately I was not able to test the Jetset with the laser projector. But the laser projector with the Mars works very well.
@@diretorleoferraz what model of projector? what screen size for projector? what camera do you shoot with? are there any problems with contrast? i have experience with led 3x6 m + antilatency.
@@olesiaesenzholova2036 Okay, let's go! The projector was a Formovie Theater ultra short throw laser projector. I projected it onto a wall in the studio that was about 20 feet wide. The wall was painted with a special paint for projection. And finally, the camera I used was a RED Komodo. The DOP had a little trouble with the light because it couldn't hit the projection wall. He solved this by using a lot of flags.
We reached out to one of the major LED Wall manufacturers a year ago - their cheapest 4K model for a 4.0m x 3.0m wall was around £150K incl. the fixtures and mixer hardware, but excludes a workstation spec or data storage. Meanwhile, renting time at many facilities start at about £5000/wk. If people want to do an Indie setup, and provided they have the space, their best bet is an LED Projector (Short Throw or, preferred, Ultra-Short Throw), with a refresh rate of at least 120Hz at 4K resolution; some exist and cost around £3200 minus the screen.
@@JoshuaMKerr My only gripe is I wish manufacturers had a QHD 90Hz option on all models that supported 4K 60Hz. That's really what is missing for a faster gaming mode, and it would still work great for indie Virtual Production if you couldn't afford a 4K 120Hz projector.
Have the phone and got the Seemo pro, now I found out I need a cooling fan, and a tentacle timecode tool. I phone cage-"Please link where you got the one you use", then it's mounting solutions and and and... so not cheap when adding up all the bits and bobs.
Hi Joshua, I've been following what you've been doing for a while and first of all I'd like to thank you for your very inspiring videos. I'm into very similar things to you and currently my goal is to build a studio green screen setup with live preview capability. I've tried everything possible, I liked the Aximmetry Eye app very much. Totally accurate tracking with just a mobile phone without the need for any calibration, easy af. Unfortunately it is limited to the smartphone camera only, so not usable for pro use. Then we tried the retracker. And it was terribly complicated to set it up at all, so I gave up. I'm looking for something that would allow me to track with my phone so I can send the tracking data to UE and then live key via Ultimate for example. Is it possible to use your Lightcraft Jetset app for this? Or what do you think would be the best solution for me?
Hey filmmaker....lets talk! Man, I love your work. At one point, we were the only people doing virtual production with short throw projectors on TH-cam. Although I think your results were incredible. Im actually going to return to that method very soon. Yeah, Lightcraft actually does sound good for this. maybe drop me an email, and we can set up a call?
I’ve seen some “home made” LED walls made by mashing together small bezel TVs (usually set vertically) and then fudging the seams so it looks like a big picture window. I suppose it’s possible to blur the images or bring in foreground set pieces to hide seams for other backgrounds but it’s gonna be tricky and might look like crap in the end. Cost - a lot more than green screen and a lot less than a real wall…
Hey joshua, really enjoying your Videos. We try to set up a similar solution at our university. Do you have a link for your rig setup for example the mount of the accsoon and the iphone ? Thanks for your help and keep up your great work 😊
The rig is made up of a few key pieces. First, I have a camera cage for the S1H (this will vary from camera to camera) and has a series of mounting points. I then use smallrig rail and rail mounts to position the phone over the lens. The acsoon is attached using a smallrig coldshoe mount. There's no right way, just what you can make work. Get your hands on some smallrig bits and get creative. Its fun to see a rig come together
Please Please do some Aximmetry tutorials in the future 🙏 you are our only hope at this point , there is not that much tutorials about it and Virtual Production , i hope i am not alone in this situation , thank you again for your content 😊.
Aximmetry is certainly something that needs a lot of patience and digging to get out of it what you want. Documentation has been spotty, but it's getting better however their lack of documenting so many items, or glossing over things that create issues, make it tough to do a whole shoot with it. Most of the youtube videos out there are 2-3 years old, however David Alexandre has done some great work on some of the advanced topics and Frustum Virtual has the best recent tutorials. Aximmetry finally created an ambassador position with them to help get their product some tutorials. Or you can give Aximmetry $5,000 for two training courses. It's a great program for the price point, however the lack of documentation hurts it badly.
@@Justin_Allen Thank you for the sources and for the future we hope things get better , for the 5000$ training courses it is not possible for some or lot of us i would say , that can not afford such prices , we chose the low budget entry level solutions for that reason , so we take what we can with this solutions , and Big up to @Joshua M Kerr for helping us with his videos , and we hope aximmetry team continues with updated documentation and ambassador program , rooting for Joshua to be our next ambassador ^^
Hello Hello, I'm one of the sources for the expensive stuff! Just to add a clarification that I thinks handy to know is the prices we chatted about was specifically to do with a 15m x 5m wall (a previous video of Josh's for scale th-cam.com/video/bia3F4KbLlA/w-d-xo.html) so the price can scale even more wildly than what's mentioned on here! We've done shoots with a budget of as little as $1000 a day up to $50,000 a day. This video is one of my favourites you've released! The ability to scale and to be able to use the same tools we've got in our studio for next to no cost is why I love VP!
Great video and thorough breakdown! I was surprised how much of a huge fan Coffeezilla is of Aximmetry's keyer, even over Ultimatte. He's also using Mo-sys, but just for camera position tracking to load later. It's a bit over the top - Jetset Cine would be a perfect solution for the use case he's doing for like 1% of the cost th-cam.com/video/FjAkmqJCbJY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PVbRB3CgWQvRS-2u
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Mosys is great, but I dont think the level of movement really warrants a system that complex. I've been thinking of doing a lightcraft based youtube vp setup. Should be fun but might need a live keyer like aximmetry. How are you anyway?
Oh good, another jetset commercial from you. I know of no one who uses this yet was mentioned 8 times in your video. You make good content, quit being a shill for a company that is useless for commercial virtual production work. Other than this the rest of the content in this video was a good primer for others.
To be fair. It's new so not surprised no one uses it. It;s also geared more for small indie films and hobbyist filmmakers based on the setup and gear, I feel that's the target audience for this system and it's the most affordable of all the systems. I mean, I'm doing VFX and Foley for a no budget film with some friends and this would be tottally within our budget since some of us have an Iphone handy (not me) ... not so much for the other systems. And he does mention many of their direct competitors. Also, I preffer him shilling for this instead of loot crate or better help or AFK Journey or Raid Shadow Legends or ... the man needs to make a living.
It is nice to be sponsored by a company like Lightcraft with the pedigree they have in film. I get to talk about something I use and believe in, educate, and entertain. Through Lightcraft, I've been able to meet people at the absolute peak of the film industry and make content that I feel is valuable for people while providing for my family. Im sure it's not for everyone, but yes, it is being used on commercial projects, and whether sponsored or not, I will also continue to use it myself. Thank for the support.
@@JoshuaMKerr but you don't mention competing companies' products. You mention only products that are mostly out of indie film-makers budgets, and make it sound like JetSet is the only option, when in fact it isn't. I'm talking about UE's own VCam app (free), for example.
Fun fact: for almost every high end production that uses LED walls, VFX artists end up doing roto and replacing all of the LED wall imagery with offline-rendered CG. The only actual benefit is accurate reflections and that is why a lot of productions now simply project blue screen wherever the camera is pointed to eliminate roto in post. I attended a talk by the Image Engine guys who worked on Netflix's Avatar show. They said both the LED wall and live camera track were not good enough for delivery and had to be re-done in post.
@LFPAnimations So true. LED is great for reflections, but unless your character wears chrome armour, green/blue screen will cause less of a headache in post. Throw in some real-time image based lighting, and you can get great results.
This is why RED digital has introduced the Phantom Track
Hello Joshua,
I run a small production company in Korea, and I came across your channel while searching for information to help achieve my goal of having a future LED studio.
I believe you'll become an even bigger TH-camr someday. I'm cheering for you!
Dude thanks to you n progress in 3d gaussian, i m trying to make a good looking budget indie film .. but a lot of troubleshoot n workflow need to be done. I dont have access to jetset but you do. So here is a suggestion, take most mid- ambitious or complex scens of hollywood an redo it ( like media division is doing with the killer recreation) u learn a lot personally but also u n team troubleshoot entire thing n come up with great tools to solve those issue n time wasters or wait slugs while also making the scene top notch jn virtual prod. N e everyone wins, including studio adoption when the see output matching real world references.
👏Taking something so complex and with sooooooooo many rabbit holes is challenging and you did a spectacular job!🎬 Very well done and thank you.🙏
Thanks for the lovely comment. Im glad it was helpful, it took a lot to pull together.
Hi Joshua! Your content is really cool. I've been doing a lot of testing and doing some work with virtual production. I've done some stuff with LED panels using Unreal Engine in conjunction with Disguise. And I recently did some advertising films looking for a cheaper solution. And the best combination I could find was using Mars with a laser projector. In a few weeks I'll do some testing with the projector and Jetset, and as soon as I do I'll comment here. Big shout from Brazil!
bro, tell us your experience with a laser projector?
@@olesiaesenzholova2036 Hi Bro! What exactly do you want to know? Unfortunately I was not able to test the Jetset with the laser projector. But the laser projector with the Mars works very well.
@@diretorleoferraz what model of projector? what screen size for projector? what camera do you shoot with? are there any problems with contrast? i have experience with led 3x6 m + antilatency.
@@diretorleoferraz bro?
@@olesiaesenzholova2036 Okay, let's go! The projector was a Formovie Theater ultra short throw laser projector. I projected it onto a wall in the studio that was about 20 feet wide. The wall was painted with a special paint for projection. And finally, the camera I used was a RED Komodo. The DOP had a little trouble with the light because it couldn't hit the projection wall. He solved this by using a lot of flags.
We reached out to one of the major LED Wall manufacturers a year ago - their cheapest 4K model for a 4.0m x 3.0m wall was around £150K incl. the fixtures and mixer hardware, but excludes a workstation spec or data storage. Meanwhile, renting time at many facilities start at about £5000/wk. If people want to do an Indie setup, and provided they have the space, their best bet is an LED Projector (Short Throw or, preferred, Ultra-Short Throw), with a refresh rate of at least 120Hz at 4K resolution; some exist and cost around £3200 minus the screen.
This is very true. An ultra short throw projector works wonders as long as you have enough space.
@@JoshuaMKerr My only gripe is I wish manufacturers had a QHD 90Hz option on all models that supported 4K 60Hz. That's really what is missing for a faster gaming mode, and it would still work great for indie Virtual Production if you couldn't afford a 4K 120Hz projector.
We have access to a 16'x 35' LED wall and would love to have you for a test :) in New Orleans.
Does Unreal not support the AJA mobile IO devices in addition to the Kona cards?
If it's not on the supported list then I guess not.
I have been working with autoshot/jetset and unreal engine and its really a pain in the ass
Whats the problem
can i use a mac for unreal engine? what would be the specs for that
Yes it works great, but some plugins aren't supported. Most are though. My M2 Pro is working great for virtual production with Unreal.
Can I do that with a Seemo 4k ? or do I need the pro
Have the phone and got the Seemo pro, now I found out I need a cooling fan, and a tentacle timecode tool. I phone cage-"Please link where you got the one you use", then it's mounting solutions and and and... so not cheap when adding up all the bits and bobs.
I used a smallrig iphone cage for the 15 pro max: shorturl.at/WfQm9
Can you use osmo pocket mini 2 for that?
for virtual production?
@@JoshuaMKerr Yes
@most.notorious.b If you can attach a tracker to it, then you could at least record the movement of the camera.
Why is jetset so shaky?
Do you mean when I'm operating a heavy camera rig with one hand? It's the shot that's shaky.
Jetset is still not working for the live feed from unreal im still waiting for a new tutorial where they can explain their pipeline correctly
Did you see my video about doing this?
@@JoshuaMKerrwich one
@98765theyoutuization th-cam.com/video/9u_8LHj9rEQ/w-d-xo.html
@@JoshuaMKerr still cant get it working
Hi Joshua, I've been following what you've been doing for a while and first of all I'd like to thank you for your very inspiring videos. I'm into very similar things to you and currently my goal is to build a studio green screen setup with live preview capability. I've tried everything possible, I liked the Aximmetry Eye app very much. Totally accurate tracking with just a mobile phone without the need for any calibration, easy af. Unfortunately it is limited to the smartphone camera only, so not usable for pro use. Then we tried the retracker. And it was terribly complicated to set it up at all, so I gave up. I'm looking for something that would allow me to track with my phone so I can send the tracking data to UE and then live key via Ultimate for example. Is it possible to use your Lightcraft Jetset app for this? Or what do you think would be the best solution for me?
Hey filmmaker....lets talk! Man, I love your work. At one point, we were the only people doing virtual production with short throw projectors on TH-cam. Although I think your results were incredible. Im actually going to return to that method very soon.
Yeah, Lightcraft actually does sound good for this. maybe drop me an email, and we can set up a call?
I’ve seen some “home made” LED walls made by mashing together small bezel TVs (usually set vertically) and then fudging the seams so it looks like a big picture window. I suppose it’s possible to blur the images or bring in foreground set pieces to hide seams for other backgrounds but it’s gonna be tricky and might look like crap in the end. Cost - a lot more than green screen and a lot less than a real wall…
Yeah, I can't say setups like that are worth it in the end.
Pls which video is around 8 minutes and 55 seconds, I would like to know about this
It's a video by Aximmetry and the link is in the description.
@@JoshuaMKerr Really great stuff thanks!
Hey joshua, really enjoying your Videos. We try to set up a similar solution at our university. Do you have a link for your rig setup for example the mount of the accsoon and the iphone ? Thanks for your help and keep up your great work 😊
The rig is made up of a few key pieces. First, I have a camera cage for the S1H (this will vary from camera to camera) and has a series of mounting points. I then use smallrig rail and rail mounts to position the phone over the lens. The acsoon is attached using a smallrig coldshoe mount.
There's no right way, just what you can make work. Get your hands on some smallrig bits and get creative. Its fun to see a rig come together
@@JoshuaMKerr Thanks for your quick reply! :) I will try to get my hands start working ;)
Thoughts on Simulon?
What is simulon?
Simulon is the future. @@JoshuaMKerr
Please Please do some Aximmetry tutorials in the future 🙏 you are our only hope at this point , there is not that much tutorials about it and Virtual Production , i hope i am not alone in this situation , thank you again for your content 😊.
I will try my best. Need to give it a solid try first but yes, it's very interesting to me.
@@JoshuaMKerr make it for dummies, please.
Im a bit of a dummy so i guess it eould have to be :)
Aximmetry is certainly something that needs a lot of patience and digging to get out of it what you want. Documentation has been spotty, but it's getting better however their lack of documenting so many items, or glossing over things that create issues, make it tough to do a whole shoot with it. Most of the youtube videos out there are 2-3 years old, however David Alexandre has done some great work on some of the advanced topics and Frustum Virtual has the best recent tutorials. Aximmetry finally created an ambassador position with them to help get their product some tutorials. Or you can give Aximmetry $5,000 for two training courses. It's a great program for the price point, however the lack of documentation hurts it badly.
@@Justin_Allen Thank you for the sources and for the future we hope things get better , for the 5000$ training courses it is not possible for some or lot of us i would say , that can not afford such prices , we chose the low budget entry level solutions for that reason , so we take what we can with this solutions , and Big up to @Joshua M Kerr for helping us with his videos , and we hope aximmetry team continues with updated documentation and ambassador program , rooting for Joshua to be our next ambassador ^^
Great video! 😎
Thanks! 😀
Awesome info. Thanks for the video.
Youre very welcome
Hello Hello, I'm one of the sources for the expensive stuff! Just to add a clarification that I thinks handy to know is the prices we chatted about was specifically to do with a 15m x 5m wall (a previous video of Josh's for scale th-cam.com/video/bia3F4KbLlA/w-d-xo.html) so the price can scale even more wildly than what's mentioned on here! We've done shoots with a budget of as little as $1000 a day up to $50,000 a day.
This video is one of my favourites you've released! The ability to scale and to be able to use the same tools we've got in our studio for next to no cost is why I love VP!
Thanks Ben, Really glad you liked the video. Thanks for your help with it.
Thanks for the information brother..Love from india
Thanks, great to have you watching.
Good details covered> but most of us are interested in free stuff / cracked software and minimum cost hatdware with high specs pc
That's why I spend a lot of effort on the free low/no cost options. They matter more to me too
Great video and thorough breakdown!
I was surprised how much of a huge fan Coffeezilla is of Aximmetry's keyer, even over Ultimatte. He's also using Mo-sys, but just for camera position tracking to load later. It's a bit over the top - Jetset Cine would be a perfect solution for the use case he's doing for like 1% of the cost
th-cam.com/video/FjAkmqJCbJY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PVbRB3CgWQvRS-2u
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Mosys is great, but I dont think the level of movement really warrants a system that complex.
I've been thinking of doing a lightcraft based youtube vp setup. Should be fun but might need a live keyer like aximmetry.
How are you anyway?
Thanks for the info... now I have a better idea of what's out of my league. lol
There's a surprising amount that's very accessible I think.
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Dude, no one wants dollars these days.
It was just a joke. Nobody wants pounds either :0
Oh good, another jetset commercial from you. I know of no one who uses this yet was mentioned 8 times in your video. You make good content, quit being a shill for a company that is useless for commercial virtual production work. Other than this the rest of the content in this video was a good primer for others.
To be fair. It's new so not surprised no one uses it. It;s also geared more for small indie films and hobbyist filmmakers based on the setup and gear, I feel that's the target audience for this system and it's the most affordable of all the systems.
I mean, I'm doing VFX and Foley for a no budget film with some friends and this would be tottally within our budget since some of us have an Iphone handy (not me) ... not so much for the other systems.
And he does mention many of their direct competitors.
Also, I preffer him shilling for this instead of loot crate or better help or AFK Journey or Raid Shadow Legends or ... the man needs to make a living.
It is nice to be sponsored by a company like Lightcraft with the pedigree they have in film. I get to talk about something I use and believe in, educate, and entertain.
Through Lightcraft, I've been able to meet people at the absolute peak of the film industry and make content that I feel is valuable for people while providing for my family.
Im sure it's not for everyone, but yes, it is being used on commercial projects, and whether sponsored or not, I will also continue to use it myself.
Thank for the support.
Exactly. This guy makes extremely biased content.
I'm not sure how biased it is when I mention three other methods for camera tracking and give pros and cons based on experience.
@@JoshuaMKerr but you don't mention competing companies' products. You mention only products that are mostly out of indie film-makers budgets, and make it sound like JetSet is the only option, when in fact it isn't. I'm talking about UE's own VCam app (free), for example.