Fighting on the Frontier (Drumlanrig, Dumfries and Galloway) | Series 12 Episode 4 | Time Team
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Twenty years ago, the Duke of Buccleuch discovered that the remains of a huge Roman fort might lie just a few hundred metres from his grand home, Drumlanrig Castle near Dumfries. If so, it is one of the most northerly ever found and could change the face of Roman history in Scotland.
Series 12, Episode 04
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The "contentions" between Tony, Phil, Stuart and the others is just delightful. It does pique your interest into how the dig will go, but you can tell it's a bunch of friends ribbing each other and who actually respect each other. A much better way to keep attention than big music, dramatized, overblown disagreements and loud sting sound effects.
Exactly. While I very much enjoy all the historical information given by Time Team, the little jabs and quips at each other provides a little “ brain break” to digest the information. I also enjoy the recreation of what it might have looked like so many centuries ago.
Stay safe, stay sane, be well
@@sirdavidoftor3413 You now have some idea of British military humour. Which civis don't understand.
@@barbaradyson6951 : I luv British humour! Shows like Are You Being Served?, Keeping Up Appearances, and the full range of Monty Python, have kept me laughing for years. I guess living in 🇨🇦 has exposed me to a wide spectrum of comedy!
Stay safe, stay sane be well
Couldn't agree more. But sadly in the later series, esp 19 + 20, that's what we ended up with much to the detriment of the show.
Phil, Mick and Tony remind me of the camaraderie amongst Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
It may seem superficial and silly but to me, the Time Team intro song resounds with the optimism of human introspection, selfless curiosity, the melancholy tones of the passing of time that brings each young person, subsequent generation closer to becoming history than they could imagine in the vitality of life. Me just
That’s what my grandma used to say
Its not just you. Excellent description.
It's certainly at odds with the new funky music in the middle!
Yes. It always makes me smile.
I love the intro music.
As an artist myself, I always love seeing Victor's work.
Yeah his depictions of a historical scene is really good.
his art style is just wonderful. it reminds me of the really old disney movies, like robin hood, where the drawing had a bit of grit and grain to it that made it feel more organic. he was so incredibly talented
@@ghomerhust yeah. I absolutely love his work.
Unfortunately Victor died in Feb. 2021..........R.I.P.
@@Trillock-hy1cf oh, I already know that...but still love his drawing style.
I really find this show soo relaxing. They are all so dedicated and really enjoy their work.
It's so wholesome and well done.
Me too! Only problem I have is I fall asleep nearly every episode because it’s so relaxing.
And very funny!!
My daddy used to say, “If you love what you do, you never work a day of your life.” Goes for the TT crew for sure.
The sound of the Draco standard was brilliant. Almost like discovering an audio recording from 2000 years ago. And I love the line about a world with so much less artificial sounds in it! I’d never really considered that before.
Sounds like our Tesla "Ghosty", just a lot louder. 😉
Same psychology behind the blood curdling sound made by the Stuka aircraft in WW 11.
Think that most British tribes were secretly relieved by the arrival of the Roman army as it meant an end to incessant tribal wars.
Its a carnyx, in the right hands, it makes a really ominous sound and i can imagine being in the woods then hearing that noise, it would make me a bit more than nervous.
At the 18:33 minute, those 2 great friends, Tony and Mick leaning on the front of the car, 2 white plastic cups for their coffee break, and Mick saying 'The origin of us coming here, is to evaluate what it is...... I'd be happy when someone says....." suggesting a dig in several more spots, in that typically British roundabout way with words, with that dark grey sky in the background, and these two men in the bright light of day reminds of that typical atmosphere in Scotland, weatherwise. That picture is one to be remembered, fit for placing in a frame, don't you think? These episodes are truly full of gems, even when no finds are showing up that are revealing much. The Time Team spirits are high, at least, in the moments shown on camera 😉
I loved seeing the experiment with the dragon-whistles at 40:00 actually pan out. It would have been interesting whether it worked properly or not, but imagine hearing that weird whistling noise come over the hill at you, out of nowhere... Props to the horseman, too, as I bet the horse was a little startled the first time of hearing it as well.
My dogs freaked when they heard it.
it's incredible just how much Tony Robinson's entire career is entwined in educational historical content
Eh? Did you ever watch blackadder???
@@aidy6000 Are you not aware of the hundreds of educational documentaries Tony’s been involved with?
bUt bLaCKaDdEr!
Don't forgoet impoverishment and dumbing down of the masses through the espousement of socialist politics. Some people just aren't very bright.
His Ancient Tracks, and Walking through History are absolutely splendid. I watched those to keep me from completely losing it the last time my DH was in hospital…
@@aidy6000 Blackadder WAS about history. Just a funny take on it.
Props to the horse for being a really good sport about the spooky noises lol
This show is unique in that there is no "plot" and no "characters." The only "action" is what occurs on the dig. The people are just themselves doing a fascinating task, and from the first time I saw it I was hooked. It isn't my first time dealing with artifacts, but the sensation of holding a tool in my hand that was used by someone thousands of years ago remains a thrill. It's really like shaking hands with them. This show adds more information than I can get from a collection of Native American arrowheads as the specialists like Helen Geake and Phil give comments. Watching Phil, on another show, turn a chunk of stone into a hand axe in a few minutes time is amazing, then he butchered a chunk of pork with one of the flakes into chops, which they ate for supper. How could anyone not be interested in that?
Stewart was without a doubt the most important member on that team. What a legend.
Not to mention the least egotistical!
Yeah the stuff he solves just through look at the landscape is impressive.
yes, he's the king of medium archeologists ^^
@@Cadadadry absolutely not. that's Phil Harding. have some respect man. Stewart doesn't dig. he doesn't even use the geophys machines unless an intern gets tired.
@@gourdtube His eye is incredible.
20:54 That diagram of the piece of scale armor overlaid on Victor's artwork is outstanding! That tiny little video inset tells us everything about scale armor in just a few seconds.
" 'ow the 'ell should I know that Tony" is a quote I will long remember!
Along with "Stone a crows"
24:00 The fort is a lot like armoured cars with armed guards for money transfers. The fact that they aren't attacked isn't proof that they're useless, it's proof that they're doing their job.
I love it when tony (deliberately) antagonises phil , it would be dull if they both agreed about everything , although in this one ,prof mick was tip toeing around Phil a bit...its always incredible when Stuart , usually at the end, finds something to piece everything together.
I like how Tony and Phil have a great banter between them. It reminds me of how my brother and I used to enjoy taking the micky out of each other. Just a couple of working class boys, having a little fun with each other.
A fort that was strong enough never to be attacked worked perfectly.
It was far from useless as it gave the Romans a safe and secure base of operations.
Yes the Romans never fought the local's way of fighting. Why would they?
I would disagree, a fort that has no nearby presense of enemies is just a very expensive barracks.
Exactly. It is why they weren't attacked. It's called deterrence !!!
@@malchir4036 a fort up in that part of what is now Scotland would have certainly been in the vacinity of enemies.
The title of the episode is 'Fighting on the Frontier' after all.
But being in a practically untouchable fort means it's less likely that unfriendly local tribes become actively hostile.
i just got done last week binge-watching every single episode on this channel, and some posted on the Timeline history channel. then i ran out. so THIS was really nice to log on and see!
You watched them all so I ask you have they changed the in show music? This one I thought, eeerr!.
The chemistry is off the charts for the crew. Whomever put this show together is my hero. #1 fan
I don't think I've seen this one yet. Very excited!
Sadly I think I've seen them all on another channel. And some several times over. I love Time Team.
@@connieheitz8982 i tend to enjoy cannabis while i watch these, so they remain new to me even after multiple viewings. guess that is good or bad depending on your perspective (ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง
@@beepboop204 we don't care, smoke yourself away.
Thank you so much to time team for continuing to bring us these awesome digs 👍🏻 please please please keep them coming
I love "guys" knowledge and enthusiasm he brings to the timeteam digs. So knowledgeable
This is one of my all-time favorite TT episodes, mainly because of the draco. Experimental archaeology at its finest!
Thes preservation of the site is astonishing. It is quite rare to get an impression for this short period of roman occupation. Eventhough the finds aren't that glittering, the effort was well worth it.
i recently finished the "rome" tv series, perfect timing, time team. im already waist deep in the ancient rome rabbit hole.
Best kind of rabbit hole
My favorite is Mary Beard's Meet The Romans three part documentary. So good!
It's always nice when it doesn't rain on them...
I found the part where Tony went around and asked what each archeologist wanted to dig to be very interesting, especially in terms of project management on such a huge site. All of it sounded like excellent ideas and again, I resented the 3 day format!
Phil’s shorts are a sight to behold!
I left England before TT was a thing. With Covid, its now been 5 years since last visit. These shows are a Godsend. 💚
Thank you, another great episode with a team I've come to appreciate much, each in her or his own way of working, pondering, making jokes, and commenting on finds etc. The re-enacting is very funny, and it gives extra juice supporting the enthusiasm of the team, I believe. That eerie dragon sound is fascinating, I believe that I would've been scared to death, as a child, hearing it.
Finally, an episode new to me. I dream of these. Thank you for posting it, TT.
Phil. Love Phil. cracks me up.
This site needs more digging! What say you all? 🖖
♥️🇬🇧😀 that standard would've scared 7 colours out of me. Good job.
I imagine if you had a bunch of those dragon whistles all going at once, it would have scared the crap out of people.
I enjoyed watching this episode and the fact that the Romans took parts of Scotland. I would love to have more episodes from Scotland like Kinlochbervie, Orkney, Shetland and Govan, Glasgow.
The first episode I remember seeing, on TV years ago, was about the Lords of the Isles. Absolutely fantastic stuff and still probably my favourite.
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And Paisley! That is where my family is from
i am excited to see this! with the bonus of Mr Rileys accent and so many of my favorite Time Teamers it gets an instant pre watch thumbs up
Thank you TT...another wonderful period of history explained from the traces they left behind...
I had no idea the Romans got this far north. You learn something new every day.
@@alasdairmmorrison74 My Bucket List item. ❤️
Omg! I can’t believe it! I’m doing my family history and this came up. My many times great grandfather owned/lived in this castle. 😮
Thank you time team
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I realy thought I've seen them all. And give them a thumb. Came back and saw I forgot to give a thumb up! An inacceptable sin.
Imagine the sound from 400 or more riders carrying them during a charge ; maybe they were carried mounted to staves directly to the riding harnesses or on their backs like Eastern cultures.
Have never seen this one so will be great:-), I found Time Team originally on youtube and this is the first time I am watching this. I am, as a genealogist researcher, listening to Guy, when he is running around and stating of the Written records the Romans made, wondering IS there ANY proof of any of those records that have survived anywhere?? John Gater was amazing with what his equipment found on the Geo Fiz, and Stewart is always an added asset. Phil's large trench came with a lot of Roman occupation.
unfortunately it's been uploaded to youtube in the past. th-cam.com/video/rUiOSxSoY3k/w-d-xo.html
@@TheShootist But the video quality is far better with this, There won't be any new programmes until the Patreon funded digs take place later in the year.
@@philipwinter8729 Are any of the old-timers going to be part of the new Patreon-funded gang?
@@larrygiesbrecht3428 The core of the 'new' team appears to be Carenza, Stewart, Helen, John and Tim Taylor. Others that have been featured on the Patreon channel and seem to be involved in some capacity are Neil Holbrook, Dani, Matt, Kerry, Henry, Brigid and Raysan working remotely from New Zealand, Naomi, Suzie Lipscomb and a couple of people who were involved in more behind-the-scenes roles - Jim Mower and Neil Emmanuel. There may be others I have missed. Apparently, Victor's family has given permission for some of his art work to be used.
There is plenty of that written evidence in the Vindolanda writing tablets. Mostly everyday army admin records, but also the oldest letter between 2 women in the world; a birthday invitation.
hahaha.... the end scenery cracked me up. Well done Time Team, this was a very exciting and beautiful episode. More to come!
What they also have to think about when it comes to the "eerie noise," is that they only tested it using one. The roman cavalry would have had at least 10-15 of them or maybe even more.
I could listen to this Ranger ALL DAY!
Ohhhh arerr Toney I'm quite partial to lumps and bumps! Stone the crows!
A stone of crows, Phil s favourite saying. A stone is a measure of weight!
Ohhhh arerr @@vickywhitesell5261 stone the crows!
Brilliant... just Brilliant. Thank you all.
My paternal family has it's recorded beginning in Dumfries. I am in Alberta Canada but my great Grandfather got to Canada in his teens from Dumfries. It is shocking how the geography you see in the video is remarkably like the geography where my family settled here. Apparently there is still family there with the surname Kirk.
I wish I could be there and play a small role. The history, the landscape, the dirt and of course all of the archeological is just absolutely amazing! I think I was born on the wrong side of the pond really!!
Hope you make it here or over your way perhaps.
The Dacian Draco was the standard ensign of troops of the ancient Dacian people, which can be seen in the hands of the soldiers of Decebalus in several scenes depicted on Trajan's Column in Rome, Italy. It has the form of a dragon with open wolf-like jaws containing several metal tongues. The hollow dragon's head was mounted on a pole with a fabric tube affixed at the rear. In use, the draco was held up into the wind, or above the head of a horseman, where it filled with air and gave the impression it was alive while making a shrill sound as the wind passed through its strips of material. It's Dacian not Roman! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacian_Draco
I came to the comments to say the same thing, you could even see it in the depiction on the column that the solduer holding it was not Roman. But the site was around Trajan's time, so maybe he thought it effective and pinched the idea from the Dacians.
Is there such a thing as a favorite TT episode? If so, this is on the short list!
Just wow! Well done sir
Just got back from a weekend exploring the Antonine Wall, so I loved the chance to see some more of Roman occupation in Scotland.
Phil at 34.00 “Get off my Land”
Magnificent! An absolute gem, thank you sincerely 👏👏👏
Thank you for this exciting find. Look forward to the identification of the unit stationed there.
At the 24 minute mark, they talk about how the fort was likely never attacked because the Scots preferred guerilla warfare, and how building the fort kept soldiers occupied. But wouldn't the fort have provided a safe haven from otherwise constant guerilla attacks? That the fort was never besieged doesn't necessarily mean it never had a military purpose: it means that you get well rested soldiers who don't have to worry about Scots picking them off in their sleep. You get the safe haven plus the intimidation of the Romans taking over the landscape in such a conspicuous way.
I thought exactly the same thing.
An open camp, even one with just a palisade, would invite just that; hit-and-run attacks.
A minor thing, but it would also put a strain on a relatively small garrison regarding guard duty.
What a rewarding, very fresh dig - fascinating, thank you.
You do a wonderful work! But I need to say that that "Draco" it's not a roman item, but dacian. And it's not a dragon, but a wolf with a snake body and was the battle flag of the tracian tribes (geti, dacians...) The snake is the protector of all life and the wolf is the totem for all woriors. I should know, my family line tracks from one of that tribes: Lupan ("young wolf"). "The Wolfs" were like special troups in the dacian army.
Anyway, I like your programs and I wish you all the best!
Thank you!
In the programme they mention that the Romans picked up the use of the draco from the Sarmatians.
Fanscinating information. Great to see such contributions. I a m descended from this region in SW. Scotland but some of my ancestors only arrived 700 years later ie. 8th and 9th century.
Aye Phil, ye done a right fine job, 'tis a beautiful ditch fer sure.
Loving the process TT goes through in vintage Tv
Another outstanding episode!
What an interesting reenaction with the Draco. This must in fact be terrifying for a non-horseman local iron age person in England. Maybe the roman troops failed so terribly in Germany because of the landscape, they couldn't use their gimmics (and the hardened germanic warriors of course). Not to say that the scots weren't brave sobs, but as I am from Germany and know the maps, I can imagine the landscape of south Germany being a problem for the troops.
I love the reenacting an educational material in these docmentaries!
I like TT it lowers my blood pressure and stress levels so much ,thank you .
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This fort was noted 200 years ago in the Itinerary Septemiarum by Roy etc.
Forts are not built in hostile territory, but in areas already pacified. The moved to the Clyde Forth line because the area between it & Hadrian's Wall was able to be incorporated into the Province.
Forts were built strong, not because they expected attacks but to deter them, & provide a safe springboard for forward patrolling. The Romans fought in the field not from defensive strongpoints. Forts were spread around not because there was trouble in an area, but so they fould be provisioned from the landscape, with foodstuffs, timber, & grazing etc, & to police wide areas. The Dragon reconstruction is hopeless. The ones depicted on monuments clearly don't have the odd bell additions.
I will come back to this time team program
Draco. LOL!!!!! VERY Interesting.
First time watching these was in 02 from a tv channel on vacation in Ireland
Roman invasion of Northern Britain, Caledonia, Pictland, Scotts didn't arrive from Ireland until hundreds of years after, Fantastic program Time team, well made and a great team of people.
True but for a general point of reference people know it to be Scotland. We might say England. When a diagonal swathe was in the Danelaw. Even Liverpool! Age 82. Lancashire lass, before Merseyside was invented 50 yrs or so ago.🕊️
A wonderful cocktail of Mick's favourites...aristocratic houses and Roman forts 😂
Summit is located at a continental divide. The portage that natives taught the French to cross between the South Branch of the Chicago river and the Des Plaines river is nearby. To east of there, water flows to the Atlantic Ocean. To the west, it ends up in the Gulf of Mexico. The I&M canal was the first to permanently bridge the two.
And not just any NFL cheerleader but a Raiderette. RN4L . Thank you Emily 🎉
Loved it!
That dragon sdard would definitely inspired terror back then, especially on somebody's first time seeing it
plus the eery emotionless Iron mask of the rider..... terrefing.... even in our modern time.
I always remember this episode because of the weird music that they used that was totally different to any other episode. I assume they hired a new music editor for this episode and he never worked again. :)
+1 on the weird music. Had to hit the Stop/Start button a couple times to make sure I didn't have something playing in another tab.
Another good one, thanks. Can you do the episode with the early church in the middle of a forest in Scotland? Could be on Mull? There were quartz pebbles and something to do with the police, I think One of my utter favourites, remember watching it at odd hours of the night when I was in uni. Would love to see it again.
KAT, if you look through the episode listing (link below) to help you narrow your search, then search on YT as another person has uploaded the TT episodes, just not always the best resolution but still watchable for the most part.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Time_Team_episodes
@KAT I think the episode you are looking for is "A Saintly Site" from season 17. I have recently purchased the DVD's and it is second episode on disc1 and is Baliscate Chapel,Isle of Mull. I hope this helps,it was a very interesting episode.
One of the best episodes
The Mull episode is already on this channel but it is only visible (and watchable) from certain geographic locations, presumably due to licensing issues. If you use a VPN, try changing your location - you will be able to view many more episodes.
Take a bit of a look at the celt horns they used to blow. Amazing sound range and would have been quite intimidating coming from the depths of the forest
RIP MICK....YOU WILL BE GREATLY MISSED..........
Tony’s look changed so much. Let’s see...mullet, earring, goatee, bleached hair,
So much more! lol
That’s a cracking cavalry horse.
And what about the carnyx? Celts had carnyx and they have been found in Scotland, France, Germany, Switzerland and Romania respectively. It is possible the Romans had a similar thing that was actually played..blown into to make "fierce" noises.....??????? The ones that have been found, no one really knows how they did sound originally. Modern ones have an interesting tone.
The one shown depicted on Trajan's column was actually Dacian. Can't deny I got a bit triggered by that, being Romanian myself. 😀
@@Rocsanna :)
So this is roughly the same timeframe as the Deskford Carnyx. It would be interesting to do a comparison of the various sounds produced by both pieces.
5 star tv. thanks.
One dislike; possibly due to a lack of Roman Pot..? 🤣🤣🤣
Or too much "pot" in general... 🥴
Or Tony's facial hair?
40:42
I don't know why, but I think that's just cool. What an interesting item of war for back in the day.
so good
That dragon standard sounded creepy.
Love the CGI visuals they made
41:00 the cavalryman with the draco
Theres a roman fortlet just a few miles from Drumlanrig at Durisdeer too
wish they had look around the gateways, romans usually put offering like coins and valuables near gateways
you don't know what you have till it's gone.
I just recently learned that there was a bronze bust of *Mick Aston* that was unveiled at the *University of Bristol* on 26 March 2018. What I found odd was, "The public can view the bust by contacting the School of Arts." Why is the bust of Mick not placed where the general public can see it on a day-to-day? Wouldn't that be more appropriate than contacting the school for a viewing?
Could the Dragon standard have been a carnyx? Would explain the dragon head and the fact that it made noise used to scare or intimidate enemies. Carnyx were originally a Celtic instrument, but there are depictions of them from around 300BC until the fall of Roman Empire (476AD).
I know it's a year later but the Draco were a scythian-dacian standard not celtic, at least to the dacians it most likely was the shape of a wolf since the wolf was such a big part of their religion and culture, and the Romans started using the Draco after the end of the 2nd Roman Dacian war and the conquer of Dacia (which were not celtic people but thracian)
De La Bedoyere sounds a bit like Bob Mortimers Estate agent when avsked something :)
thanks
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