Expansion is not needed for bear defense. You want penetration straight through. You need the bullet it to go through hide, fat, muscle, bone, organs, bone, muscle, fat, and hide. The non-expanding flat nose will displace tissue because the bullet is still maintaining an adequate velocity. Looks like this load is spot on for bear defense.
Ah, but soft-nose bullets often deform or deflect, and can shed their jackets, when they hit heavy bone. Thus, I'd rather have a hardcast lead or solid copper, both with a flat meplat, for bear than these soft-points. They are a bit better than hollow points, though, I suppose. Still a dumpster fire when you factor in the sketchy accuracy, in my opinion, but your mileage may vary.
The packaging indicates that this is a big/dangerous game hunting load, not a “self defense” load against a human attacker. So testing this load with clothing, gel, water, or any other normal self defense testing protocol is ridiculous. Using any expanding handgun projectile against large game animals is foolish and irresponsible. Muzzle energy from a handgun has virtually no effect on a large bear. It's penetration that kills. In my opinion, if the projectile doesn't penetrate at least 60” of gelatin, and retain 100% of it's weight, it is not suitable for big bears.
Quite right in most respects. Winchester does describe this as a dual use load, but as you saw in the vid, it is of limited use in either scenario. Thanks for your support, hope you subscribed. Cheers.
The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth: thank you for telling like it is and ' keeping it real ' about this load. Rare to find these days, with the corporations essentially controlling reports of their products.
The chrono would read slow. All their loads in this are slow. It was so disappointing I just use it for range ammo till I get rid of it. Appreciate the test.
I have a problem with most 10mm loadings. Buffalo Bores 10mm pushes a little over 700ft lbs so in my opinion if its not 700ft lbs its not true 10mm. Why can one company load it properly and others cant get it right?
Goes back to the FBI load from the 80s/90s: a 180 grain at 950 - 1030 fps. Many (most) ammo companies have settled on this spec for 10mm, as to why, you'd have to ask them, The original Norma load was 200gr at 1200- 1250 fps which is 640 - 694 ft-lbs. Only a few companies are loading to this standard, most are somewhere between Norma and FBI spec. I suspect they are worried about liability for over-hot loads and thus down load to let their lawyers sleep better.
I go where the facts lead me. All the loads we test are equal in my sight, up until the instant they hit the gel. I have nothing for or against anything we test. I just want to se what works and what doesn't. Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers.
Expansion is not needed for bear defense. You want penetration straight through. You need the bullet it to go through hide, fat, muscle, bone, organs, bone, muscle, fat, and hide. The non-expanding flat nose will displace tissue because the bullet is still maintaining an adequate velocity. Looks like this load is spot on for bear defense.
Ah, but soft-nose bullets often deform or deflect, and can shed their jackets, when they hit heavy bone. Thus, I'd rather have a hardcast lead or solid copper, both with a flat meplat, for bear than these soft-points. They are a bit better than hollow points, though, I suppose. Still a dumpster fire when you factor in the sketchy accuracy, in my opinion, but your mileage may vary.
I like underwood 200gr gard cast in the 10mm
That's a good one. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Ronin...; first I've heard of it being pronounced as, 'Ro-NEEN'....
The packaging indicates that this is a big/dangerous game hunting load, not a “self defense” load against a human attacker. So testing this load with clothing, gel, water, or any other normal self defense testing protocol is ridiculous. Using any expanding handgun projectile against large game animals is foolish and irresponsible. Muzzle energy from a handgun has virtually no effect on a large bear. It's penetration that kills. In my opinion, if the projectile doesn't penetrate at least 60” of gelatin, and retain 100% of it's weight, it is not suitable for big bears.
Quite right in most respects. Winchester does describe this as a dual use load, but as you saw in the vid, it is of limited use in either scenario. Thanks for your support, hope you subscribed. Cheers.
The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth: thank you for telling like it is and ' keeping it real ' about this load. Rare to find these days, with the corporations essentially controlling reports of their products.
Thank you, and you're welcome. Cheers.
The chrono would read slow. All their loads in this are slow. It was so disappointing I just use it for range ammo till I get rid of it.
Appreciate the test.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes, this load was big (Bore?) disappointment. Cheers.
Good content but bad camera work. Confusing and didn’t show anything.
Support me enough on Patreon so I can hire a professional videographer.
Have you done a test on the sig 180gr vcrown? Would like to see a test on that.
We have the ammo, just haven't had the time to test it yet. It is on the production schedule for 2024. Stay tuned...
I have a problem with most 10mm loadings. Buffalo Bores 10mm pushes a little over 700ft lbs so in my opinion if its not 700ft lbs its not true 10mm. Why can one company load it properly and others cant get it right?
Goes back to the FBI load from the 80s/90s: a 180 grain at 950 - 1030 fps. Many (most) ammo companies have settled on this spec for 10mm, as to why, you'd have to ask them, The original Norma load was 200gr at 1200- 1250 fps which is 640 - 694 ft-lbs. Only a few companies are loading to this standard, most are somewhere between Norma and FBI spec. I suspect they are worried about liability for over-hot loads and thus down load to let their lawyers sleep better.
Bingo. And Norma JHP was a 170 grain at 1400 fps. Reduced to 1300 fps.
you seem fairly biased man, not saying its a good round just that you seem to have a bad attitude about it from the get go.
I go where the facts lead me. All the loads we test are equal in my sight, up until the instant they hit the gel. I have nothing for or against anything we test. I just want to se what works and what doesn't. Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers.
Newb question here. Do SJSP leave lead fouling on feed ramps? I get that the lead wouldn't foul the barrel, but do feed ramps start gunking up?
Generally not; the lead alloy is too hard and the ramps are too smooth. Thanks for the comment and don't forget to subscribe. Cheers.