How Much Difference Do Turkey Chokes Make - TESTED | Carlson's Full vs. Turkey
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 เม.ย. 2022
- Turkey hunting chokes are designed to increase pattern density at long range, but are they that much better than regular full chokes? This video tests a Carlson's extended ported sporting clays choke against a Carlson's extended turkey choke with four different kinds of turkey ammo to see what the average gain is when using the turkey choke. Please keep in mind every choke/gun/ammo combination will perform differently, the same combinations tested here may perform better or worse for you. ALWAYS TEST your ammo and choke tube before hunting.
Choke Tubes Tested:
• Carlson's Turkey Choke 0.670 Constriction -amzn.to/3D9uJ5P
• Carlson's Sporting Clays Choke Full 0.700 - amzn.to/3ID30M6
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In this video I test these shotgun shells:
• Winchester Long Beard XR, 12 gauge, #4, 1.75oz, 1200 fps
• Winchester Super X Turkey, 12 gauge, #4, 1.875oz, 1210 fps
• Remington Nitro Turkey, 12 gauge, #5, 1.875oz, 1210 fps
• Fiocchi Golden Pheasant, 12 gauge, #6, 1.75oz, 1200 fps
Using these same loads I found some patterned better with a Carlson's Longbeard XR choke at .660 constriction than with the turkey church tested. But some loads also patterned worse with the .660 choke. The bottom line is that you MUST test your shotgun shells with your choke tube(s) until you find a good combination for turkey hunting. Always pattern test on paper before hunting. Special thanks to Carlson's for providing these chokes to test.
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I just found your channel yesterday. I really enjoyed the deer hunters beginner video and especially enjoyed this full choke verses a turkey extra full choke test. Hum…Maybe I don’t need a new shotgun after all. 🤔
Very interesting video. Thanks!
Thank you!
Great video 👍
Thanks!
Good job. Keep in mind, the Long Beard XR ammo does not have the weight in shot per the amount listed on the box. The weight on the box includes the resin. 3 1/2" shells have 1 3/4 oz shot, and if I remember right, the 1 3/4 oz are either 1 1/2 or 1 5/8 oz of shot. Been a long time since I tore one apart. One of my best reloads is 1 3/4 oz with #5 shot through a modified choke in my 870.
Interesting! Hadn't thought of that. Thank you for the insight!
@Joshua Lowe The Grand Slams use a very teeny tiny plastic pellet for buffer, and only part of the shell is filled with it.
The buffer is not part of the posted weight. I get this from the ones I have taken apart and weighed.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I hope you didn't think I was implying you were wrong about anything, because I wasn't. The number of pellets in the target are what's important, and that's what you pointed out. Good Job.
@@bgdesignandsolutions Oh no, I just never thought about resin counting towards the shot weight, thus reducing pellet count per ounce. Which could mean other loads at the same ounce rating have more pellets. Now, I've yet seen another lead load come in at a close second to Long Beard, but if there was another contender out there, this could tilt the scales some toward them.
I’d like to see the comparison between stock/flush tubes vs aftermarket extended turkey chokes or sporting clay chokes….just to see if even buying aftermarket tubes are worth it.
This wasn't exactly a definitive result but I did do this test. The formal answer though is it depends greatly on the gun. A good extended choke usually performs better than a stock recessed choke. But not always. th-cam.com/video/5aNXitA5Jho/w-d-xo.html&
I enjoyed the video
Thank you so much Jamie!
Love your videos frnd keep up the good work
I have a question how to improve shotgun velocity does external choke improve shotgun velocity
That is a good question. I am not sure. I am hoping to get a Chronograph soon, I'd need that to test something like this.
The Fiocchi pheasant with the full choke had a nice patter for b
Yea, very nice for birds on the wing!
If you shoot Long Beard XRs, with a good tube there is a monster difference. I shoot a Jebs Headhunter .660 with Long Beard XRs #6 or when I can fi d them Heavy Shot 18 #9s. Both give a core pattern about the size of your hand at 40 yards, no offense but those patterns are not loads I'd take in the woods if I had to make a 40 yard shot, I'd say 30 might be a stretch for them, like I said no offense.
None taken! I don't take those into the woods anymore either. I'm either going to use Long Beards or TSS. This season I went with the BOSS Tom #9 TSS. No regrets.
I'm fairly new to trap. Shoot Browning Invector Standard modified at 16-20 yards and shoot full usually over 20 yards, certainly at 23 and over. I've been curious about trying their X Full Turkey choke when I'm out 25-27 yards, maybe with a 1 1/8 #8 shot to hold the group together out farther. Is my logic really dumb? Any opinions appreciated.
I think the turkey choke might handicap you at close range more than it's worth for clays. I'd go 7.5 shot if you are trying to take longer shots as well. That combo would likely work well but likely isn't worth the trade off.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide thx! My team isn't that good so hopefully I won't be shooting at 27 imminently! LOL
i use #5 longbeard. single shot 12ga nef gun W/24" barrel w/the forcing cone reamed & a 1 1/2" extended non-ported .650 choke tube. 11 or 12 in the kill bone @40 yds.
One of the best turkey loads ever made!
agreed!@@TheNewHuntersGuide
What about extended choke vs flush choke? I already have a carlsons flush full choke and don’t want to buy an extended choke if I don’t need to
If your gun has aftermarket flush and aftermarket extended, it probably isn't going to make a big difference either way. There are always exceptions but just pattern the gun and see if the pattern is acceptable for you.
Do the carlsons sporting clays ported vs the carlson cremators ported,,,, jus to see if theres a difference for waterfowl hunting
What's tough there is they don't line up exactly constriction wise, and the Cremators are designed for steel shot where the Sporting clays are made for lead. Though I'm not sure how much difference there really is there. But if I can get some I'll give it a go. I'd like the test the Sporting Clays, vs the Cremators, vs the Delta, vs the Bismuth Bone buster
Hell yeah that be a good one,
You said the shotgun hurt your face. I've got a shotgun I took the belt sander to the rear stock. It is wood. I lowered or increased the drop at comb. I also thinned the stock out where my face touched it. Now I just lay it to my face lightly and don't have to mash that pointed bone into it anymore to line my eye up with the barrel. I shoot much faster and more accurately and no shells give me the headache anymore.
Yea, I since learned that this shotgun really didn't fit me all that well. The length of pull was too long. My new shotgun fits my body much better. Hoping to see big improvements when I start testing turkey loads again soon. Although, I was shooting several of these videos in any given day, so I might shoot dozens of turkey loads. That's alot of turkeys loads for a day.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide When I first got the shotgun I couldn't hit the side of the barn with it. It gave me a bad headache with any bird shot. After I got the fit right no headaches and fast accurate shots with an improved cylinder on quail. As far a really hard recoil, I learned not to shoot to many shells per day. Maybe a dozen at most. Then wait 3 or 4 days before shooting again. If shooting a pump, always grip the pump firmly so your hand don't slip. Never shoot it without your hand on the pump. It will kick considerably harder. Some people never realize this. Shooting from a bench without your hand on the pump, it will hurt.
@@jcann313 Good advice! I am doing a video on Shotgun fit soon.
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I just got the Bone Collector Turkey shoke for my mossberg 500 with a .660 choke shooting 5 shot .. should I use a different size choke to make the pattern tighter?
That is one of the tightest chokes on the market, and often tighter actually gets you worse results after a point. You should be good to go. The ammo actually matters more than the choke tube.
とても良いです。ありがとうございます。
Thanks!
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I only have one question im not familiar with chokes but can you use heavy shot heavy steel 12 gauge 3" 2 shot i think it is with a turkey choke? Or does the ammunition need to spacific? I dont mean for it to o sound like dumb question i just wanna make sure i do the right thing! 😊
I would NOT do that! Big steel shot doesn't compress like lead or tiny TSS shot.. I've seen one example on an Amazon review where steel loads caused choke tube failure and damage to the barrel.
It all depends on what the choke is rated for. Muller is rated for all sizes, all metals, all velocities. Most chokes have limitations somewhere.
@@paulwylie989 thank you so much for the information I haven't attempted to do this and will not attempt I just wanted to be sure I do it right and don't ruin my firearm or hurt anyone else or myself
@@TheNewHuntersGuide thanks again for the information and for the response 🙏 it really helps a lot and now I know valuable information i didn't know before that ks again and have a kickass day!
Thanks so much!@@reddead4614
What was the distance to target?
40 Yards
George why did you not use a standard full choke tube that you4 shotgun manufacture makes ? I have always used the manufactured choke tube or the one permanently in the barrel full choke configuration. …?….?…?…? 👍🇺🇸🙏🏽✌🏻😎
The recessed factory full choke that this gun came with is sad. I don't use it for anything. Some guns come with quality factory chokes. This one didn't.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide ok thank you for the responce George.👍✌🏻🇺🇸
@@christinamoneyhan5688 Thanks!
Maybe I missed it but are you shooting a 12 or 20 gauge?
All 12 Guage. I don't have a 20 yet.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Have you noticed an increase in shot sound with the ported chokes? I know ported rifle barrels are significantly louder.
@@RealRyanDeLuca Yes sir. Definitely louder. I am working on a way to measure just how much louder in order to quantify that as well. That is the main reason I have been shying away from ported chokes as of late.
Your results are not surprising. I used a Carlsons .680 with Federal 3rd Degree and it patterned way better than Carlsons .660. Same for LBXR. Tighter is not always better. That said just about any load/brand 15-25yds will give you success.
Oh yea, at close range, anything will work. Target loads with a cylinder choke is just as effective at 20 yards as TSS.
Sounds like a blown pattern. When you go too tight it starts blowing patterns. Tungsten being what it is blows patterns with less constriction than a comparable lead load.
Bro i use to hunt jackals with 4 buck
I use full factory choke
I want a choke which have tight pattern
So what do you say turkey choke or extrafull which one has tighter pattern
Normally the tighter the choke the tighter the pattern. But you need to pick the pattern that is best for what you are trying to do.
@@TheNewHuntersGuidewhich choke has tight pattern turkey or extra full
@@Sardarhussain248 It depends on the ammo and gun and choke. Normally a turkey choke has tighter constriction which normally means tighter patterns, but not always.
Is a .650 choke ok to shoot #5's through?
If the choke is rated for it. Some have no shot size limits. Others do.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I just removed the choke its a .665 so i should be good
Guyz tell which choke is best for tight pattern
Thanks
You started out with an extended choke tube.. You should have started with a flush standard full choke...
Why would it matter which one went first?
The push pull technique will save your shoulder and face
Explain that a little more
@@TheNewHuntersGuide th-cam.com/video/r3ZNJe1f0F8/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Years ago when I started turkey hunting, I went to buy a choke and the owner of the gun shop knew me and took the $ turkey choke from my hand and put a full choke back in my hand , smiling he said I’m saving you money,there is no difference to speak of. And he was right.
Since this video, I have seen some difference. "Some". I'm shocked at how little though. It has more to do with the shell than the choke.
Listen if yall wanna knock turkeys down get a jebs turkey choke with some number 9 or 10 tss knock em down at 70 yards
Thanks
Honestly all those patterns are garbage for 40 yards.
The patterns themselves are really irrelevant to the test, what matters is the change in pattern between choke constrictions. But that said, it is all about how you look at it. The Long Beard pattern, even with the #4s is still better than any pattern that ever killed a turkey on planet earth before about 1985. We are spoiled with #9 TSS patterns today. Though to be fair, I still wouldn't use most of these shells to a hunt a turkey, nothing in this list is worthy except the long beard.
First thing you need to do is get some decent targets like shoot n see, not impressed at all.
Would you chip in to see fancier targets? I don't get paid for this. Every video costs me money to make. If they would add to the test, I might consider investing but when doing work like this, they become a distraction. The reason is that I never know where all these loads and chokes are going to pattern often it is the first and only time I'll shoot a particular combination.
And shoot and see turkey targets are small. Half the time the bulk of the pattern would not be on the fancy reactive paper. Some targets might look better just because they pattern was in a certain place while the actual better patten might be off to the side on another. It creates a false impression which has become the currency of most TH-cam test videos. They are eye candy based not data based. They may shoot the same shot half a dozen times till they get it look great and make the point they want to make. I'm trying to learn and get data.
Where the pattern is for these kinds of test doesn't matter because you can dial any gun you shoot into be on for the load you choose to make. But for testing lots of loads, it's not practical to do. I haven't seen any 30" reactive targets that are even close to what I can fit in my budget for this channel. For a test like this, you need 8 of them.
3:27 😂😂😂 bro doesnt know how to shoot a gun
That's unnecessary. Someone with better form is welcome to make these videos, you can start your own channel. I started doing these tests because I wanted answers and no one else was testing these kinds of things.
Thanks for making the video, it helped me. Forget that other guy.