the scuttlebutt in our mutual gun circles of late seems to be very critical of the tomcat as far as it's manual of arms and reliability, often in regard to it's unique tip-up barrel and percieved difficulty getting back into action in the event of a malfunction. lots of "completely useless as a carry gun" and "wouldn't trust my life to it" or "Fun range toy, nothing else". It's amazing to me how quickly carry pistols become obsolete when to my knowledge, human tissue has not become any stronger. Then again, whitetail deer apparently have grown to shrug off anything less than 7mm magnum.
Consumerism I.e. “I need the latest and greatest, and the manufacturer says this one is the best.” Don’t get me wrong, I like having lots of guns, but do I need the latest and greatest? No. A Glock 19, compensated, MOS cut, and a HaloSun red dot will work just fine for my self-defense needs. 😆
Bought a used blue one then noted the frame had cracked. Dealer went to bat for me with beretta who didn’t want to warranty anything. Wound up getting a demo Inox in exchange. It is noticeable fatter & heavier; I’ve also bled while shooting it, due to the sharp slide rails. Very accurate gun when shooting. Overall it’s got a ton of appeal, is a very safe design for pocket carry, but is sorely lacking when compared to micro .380s. I was even able to cobble-up some reloads for it! It might be a great purse or glove box piece.
I would add that typically, European 32 acp tends to be hotter than American made 32 acp (results may vary). I love my bobcat in 22, which is mostly used as a get away gun rather than a duty piece. I initially bought mine for a back up sidearm, but like you said, it's wide. I normally just pocket carry it with 2 extra mags. Even with my small fingers, I also get pinched by the trigger too
Have a couple of these. The inox and an older steel blue. A couple of things. First, be careful with two handed holds. The rear of the slide has two very sharp pointed projections which will cut you up badly (I’ve seen it) if your support hand gets hit by that rapidly moving slide. Having said that, this gun is excellent for people who are not familiar with firearms because that pop up barrel makes it easy to visually make safe. No confusion over whether the chamber is empty or not! If someone has trouble racking a slide this is the gun for them. It is almost as intuitive as a revolver. You never need to rack the slide! The few jams I’ve had were easy to clear by pushing the barrel lever and letting it flip up. One of mine has a laser grip. Although I don’t really like it because it makes the gun even fatter, I can keep all eight shots on full size silhouette target at 25 yards offhand.
I had one years ago and had to get rid of it because of the knife sharp geometry of the rear of the slide. I notice that more modern versions have SOMEWHAT relieved this problem.
A friend of mine had one that I shot a few times. I really liked it. It was reliable, very accurate and recoil is basically 22LR level. For me it's just too fat & heavy for the deep concealment it's intended for. My friend never carried it because he too thought it was too fat, so he sold it to another one of our friends that loves it as one of his stashed guns in his shop
I shot my Inox Tomcat yesterday. Outfitted with fatter wood grips, I find it very pleasant to shoot. I have a great leather pocket holster for it, but just don't carry it on gym shorts days as it is VERY chubby and prints quite well. I also shot my Sig P238 yesterday, and it is softer shooting than the Beretta, bigger boolit and 1 more round. And it is quite a bit smaller with no REALLY sharp pointy bits on the slide aimed right at the part of the hand that keeps your thumb in alignment. Ask me about the hamburger joke... Anyway, the Tomcat is rather a safe queen. Too fat, and too heavy compared to the 238. If you haven't shot one of these, holler and I'll bring it over. Another great video.
I have a older blue one. Well did have It was one of my backup guns or if I thought things might really get nasty a 3rd gun. I got my wife into shooting and got her to carry. Brought out my old duty guns. She saw it a baby gun. She shot it cost hit really well out to 5 yds with it. Now its her second choice carry gun aNd night stand gun.
I bought used an original recipe (thin slide) blued Tomcat some time ago. The infamous frame crack seems always to develop (when it does) in one specific spot - the very thin top of the oval clearance hole through which the external trigger bar reaches the trigger. Mine cracked in this spot, so I filed away the remaining thin strip of metal so it could not interfere with slide travel. I'm not a mechanical or firearms engineer but it seems to me there is plenty of "meat" in the surrounding area of the frame. I don't think the thin metal that cracked is structural, and I have had no problems firing my sample after removing it. That said, I do think scaling up from 22/25 to 32 was a mistake on Beretta's part, and they might have had better results with the design if they had moved to a steel frame, perhaps a little thinner to save weight. Overall a nice little 32, a classic and classy design.
The corbon loads are a bit hot for it. But I used +p+ leo only ammo in all of my 9mm duty guns to. So yea I know none of my duty guns would be under warranty from using duty ammo
Hey TTG! I've been watching your site for a short time. i know you know what you're teaching! Beretta kitty guns ARE great little "alleycats" that disappear on the body as "carry" I had a model 70 new puma crossbar safety. Size a little longer. Width a little thinner. 8+1 non tipup. Older pistol. I love old rare guns. Great channel!!!
I have the gun, and also the NAA Guardian. The NAA Guardian is just overall a better gun that fills nearly the same role, unless you really need the barrel. I just had too many issues with malfunctions related to the tip up that would scare me from relying on it. In the end I moved away from both, and went for a snub.
Good video. Thanks. Inox is an international abbreviation of a class of steels, which are inoxidable. Like the word "invisible" means "not visible", inoxidable (in Spanish) means not able to oxidize, or more simply "rust." Stainless Steel. Very similar words are used in most of the Romance Languages listed below. acero inoxidable - Spanish = acier inoxydable - French = acciaio inossidabile - Italian = oţel inoxidabil - Romanian = aço inoxidável - Portuguese
Per-zack-tiddely!! Victorinox in days gone by, would occasionally mark some of their knives "Rostfrei", or Rust free. Why? because among the languages in use in Switzerland is German. In Swedish it is "Rostfri," and in Dutch it is "Roestvrij" to point out some of the Germanic type language equivalents. Europe is complicated.@@P_RO_
I have the old 950 B in 25 acp. it is a single action gun with no safety other than the safety notch. the old 950 is smaller and lighter by a bit. In 25 it holds 8+1 Reliability? about as good as it gets with no failures so far. Accuracy is surprising... we are talking easy 4" groups from a rest at 25 yards. O hesitate to say this but hitting a man sized target at 50 yards is doable.
Is the 130 food pound limit relevant for the all steel tomcat or only for the blued aluminium frame guns? Are craked steel frame tomcats reported? Greetings from Germany !
I almost bought one of these as a backuo, luckily i opted for the kel tec p32 in its place and am very pleased. This pistol is just too chubby for a .32 acp to me. The kel tec .32 disappears in a pocket holster.
Liking the 32 ACP coverage of late, definitely a controversial round but now in such tiny guns like this so as to make pocket 22's and 25's no longer necessary for best concealment. The heavier weight here compared to some of the poly-frame guns does take the 'sting' of recoil out of this round so this would be a good entry point for a non-shooter to learn the craft before going to one of them.
Thanks! The Underwood Xtreme Defender seems to work well even out of such a short barrel, but don't use the .32 ACP +P version, and limit firing even the regular stuff.
The Langdon Tactical one is tempting for fde gizmo reasons but the more I read the more like I feel I probably wouldn’t carry it/ plink with it enough to justify
I wish I liked the tomcat and bobcat models, but something about the pop up barrel I just can not stand. I get the thought behind loading the round over traditional loading but they've been finicky and fat little chonkers for what they are. I prefer the ketlec p32 for deep conceal mouse guns and their old model 81 for 'chonky' 32 auto pistols personally. Really wish they continued the 80x line instead of moving on to the small 'cats' pistol lineup for reimagining. I'd have lost my mind at a threaded barrel, optic plate 32 double stack. Sad they haven't put threaded barrels on the 80x from what I've seen of it so far, really want one regardless.
With the revamp of the 80-series starting with the 80X I think threaded barrels are inevitable given the market demand for them. I am pretty fond of the P32; my wife had one for a while, but sadly I liked it better than she did and she sold it on to try something else (she eventually settled on the Sig P238 Legion, which does not quite fill the same role.) The locked breech of the P32 really makes it work; without that super-compact .32s like the Seecamp have unpleasant recoil. The issue with with tilt-up barrel is that it pretty much ties you to straight blow-back, and on a micro pistol in .32 ACP that either means it's going to kick hard or have to be chunky. Personally I never understood why the Model 21 had such chunky grips; the basic pistol is pretty svelte.
@@tinkertalksguns7289 Love my P32. Could do without the plastic recoil rod lol but glad I got one back. Terrible loss having sold it, and good to know on the Seecamp, I had thought it would just be a metal p32, not as familiar with the internals so I was on assumption that it recoiled more mild than the keltec, not more lol even happier with my p32
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the scuttlebutt in our mutual gun circles of late seems to be very critical of the tomcat as far as it's manual of arms and reliability, often in regard to it's unique tip-up barrel and percieved difficulty getting back into action in the event of a malfunction. lots of "completely useless as a carry gun" and "wouldn't trust my life to it" or "Fun range toy, nothing else". It's amazing to me how quickly carry pistols become obsolete when to my knowledge, human tissue has not become any stronger. Then again, whitetail deer apparently have grown to shrug off anything less than 7mm magnum.
Consumerism I.e. “I need the latest and greatest, and the manufacturer says this one is the best.” Don’t get me wrong, I like having lots of guns, but do I need the latest and greatest? No. A Glock 19, compensated, MOS cut, and a HaloSun red dot will work just fine for my self-defense needs. 😆
Thanks. Now, I need one.
I live to tempt. 😁
Bought a used blue one then noted the frame had cracked. Dealer went to bat for me with beretta who didn’t want to warranty anything. Wound up getting a demo Inox in exchange. It is noticeable fatter & heavier; I’ve also bled while shooting it, due to the sharp slide rails. Very accurate gun when shooting. Overall it’s got a ton of appeal, is a very safe design for pocket carry, but is sorely lacking when compared to micro .380s. I was even able to cobble-up some reloads for it! It might be a great purse or glove box piece.
Love both of mine. I carry that same Inox version all the time.
I would add that typically, European 32 acp tends to be hotter than American made 32 acp (results may vary). I love my bobcat in 22, which is mostly used as a get away gun rather than a duty piece. I initially bought mine for a back up sidearm, but like you said, it's wide. I normally just pocket carry it with 2 extra mags. Even with my small fingers, I also get pinched by the trigger too
Have a couple of these. The inox and an older steel blue. A couple of things. First, be careful with two handed holds. The rear of the slide has two very sharp pointed projections which will cut you up badly (I’ve seen it) if your support hand gets hit by that rapidly moving slide. Having said that, this gun is excellent for people who are not familiar with firearms because that pop up barrel makes it easy to visually make safe. No confusion over whether the chamber is empty or not! If someone has trouble racking a slide this is the gun for them. It is almost as intuitive as a revolver. You never need to rack the slide! The few jams I’ve had were easy to clear by pushing the barrel lever and letting it flip up.
One of mine has a laser grip. Although I don’t really like it because it makes the gun even fatter, I can keep all eight shots on full size silhouette target at 25 yards offhand.
I had one years ago and had to get rid of it because of the knife sharp geometry of the rear of the slide. I notice that more modern versions have SOMEWHAT relieved this problem.
You are spot on. I had my mother get one of these because she no longer could continuously rack a G19. It has served this purpose well.
A friend of mine had one that I shot a few times. I really liked it. It was reliable, very accurate and recoil is basically 22LR level. For me it's just too fat & heavy for the deep concealment it's intended for. My friend never carried it because he too thought it was too fat, so he sold it to another one of our friends that loves it as one of his stashed guns in his shop
I’ve got the pre Inox version and I like it very much.
Nice review. I agree with you on the trigger. I liken mine to a dull knife blade.
I shot my Inox Tomcat yesterday. Outfitted with fatter wood grips, I find it very pleasant to shoot. I have a great leather pocket holster for it, but just don't carry it on gym shorts days as it is VERY chubby and prints quite well. I also shot my Sig P238 yesterday, and it is softer shooting than the Beretta, bigger boolit and 1 more round. And it is quite a bit smaller with no REALLY sharp pointy bits on the slide aimed right at the part of the hand that keeps your thumb in alignment. Ask me about the hamburger joke... Anyway, the Tomcat is rather a safe queen. Too fat, and too heavy compared to the 238. If you haven't shot one of these, holler and I'll bring it over. Another great video.
We've got a P238 Legion. Love it!!
I have a older blue one. Well did have
It was one of my backup guns or if I thought things might really get nasty a 3rd gun.
I got my wife into shooting and got her to carry. Brought out my old duty guns. She saw it a baby gun. She shot it cost hit really well out to 5 yds with it. Now its her second choice carry gun aNd night stand gun.
I bought used an original recipe (thin slide) blued Tomcat some time ago. The infamous frame crack seems always to develop (when it does) in one specific spot - the very thin top of the oval clearance hole through which the external trigger bar reaches the trigger. Mine cracked in this spot, so I filed away the remaining thin strip of metal so it could not interfere with slide travel. I'm not a mechanical or firearms engineer but it seems to me there is plenty of "meat" in the surrounding area of the frame. I don't think the thin metal that cracked is structural, and I have had no problems firing my sample after removing it. That said, I do think scaling up from 22/25 to 32 was a mistake on Beretta's part, and they might have had better results with the design if they had moved to a steel frame, perhaps a little thinner to save weight. Overall a nice little 32, a classic and classy design.
The corbon loads are a bit hot for it. But I used +p+ leo only ammo in all of my 9mm duty guns to. So yea I know none of my duty guns would be under warranty from using duty ammo
Hey TTG!
I've been watching your site for a short time.
i know you know what you're teaching!
Beretta kitty guns ARE great little "alleycats" that disappear on the body as "carry"
I had a model 70 new puma crossbar safety.
Size a little longer.
Width a little thinner.
8+1 non tipup.
Older pistol.
I love old rare guns.
Great channel!!!
I have the gun, and also the NAA Guardian. The NAA Guardian is just overall a better gun that fills nearly the same role, unless you really need the barrel. I just had too many issues with malfunctions related to the tip up that would scare me from relying on it. In the end I moved away from both, and went for a snub.
Good video. Thanks.
Inox is an international abbreviation of a class of steels, which are inoxidable. Like the word "invisible" means "not visible", inoxidable (in Spanish) means not able to oxidize, or more simply "rust." Stainless Steel. Very similar words are used in most of the Romance Languages listed below.
acero inoxidable - Spanish
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acier inoxydable - French
=
acciaio inossidabile - Italian
=
oţel inoxidabil - Romanian
=
aço inoxidável - Portuguese
thanks for that! Good to know.
Hence "Victor-inox", the Swiss knifemaker who were early in the development of stainless knives.
@@P_RO_ Nice! I learn a lot from these comments. I've been a knife maker for over thirty years and never made that connection. Thank you!
Per-zack-tiddely!! Victorinox in days gone by, would occasionally mark some of their knives "Rostfrei", or Rust free. Why? because among the languages in use in Switzerland is German.
In Swedish it is "Rostfri," and in Dutch it is "Roestvrij" to point out some of the Germanic type language equivalents. Europe is complicated.@@P_RO_
You are most welcome, and again thank you for your content.@@tinkertalksguns7289
I have the old 950 B in 25 acp. it is a single action gun with no safety other than the safety notch. the old 950 is smaller and lighter by a bit. In 25 it holds 8+1 Reliability? about as good as it gets with no failures so far. Accuracy is surprising... we are talking easy 4" groups from a rest at 25 yards. O hesitate to say this but hitting a man sized target at 50 yards is doable.
New subscriber, great review, thank you!!!
Is the 130 food pound limit relevant for the all steel tomcat or only for the blued aluminium frame guns? Are craked steel frame tomcats reported? Greetings from Germany !
Beretta doesn't specify so I don't know. Greetings to you as well!
I almost bought one of these as a backuo, luckily i opted for the kel tec p32 in its place and am very pleased. This pistol is just too chubby for a .32 acp to me. The kel tec .32 disappears in a pocket holster.
Liking the 32 ACP coverage of late, definitely a controversial round but now in such tiny guns like this so as to make pocket 22's and 25's no longer necessary for best concealment. The heavier weight here compared to some of the poly-frame guns does take the 'sting' of recoil out of this round so this would be a good entry point for a non-shooter to learn the craft before going to one of them.
any special brand you would recommend ? Great video !!!
Thanks! The Underwood Xtreme Defender seems to work well even out of such a short barrel, but don't use the .32 ACP +P version, and limit firing even the regular stuff.
The Langdon Tactical one is tempting for fde gizmo reasons but the more I read the more like I feel I probably wouldn’t carry it/ plink with it enough to justify
I wish I liked the tomcat and bobcat models, but something about the pop up barrel I just can not stand. I get the thought behind loading the round over traditional loading but they've been finicky and fat little chonkers for what they are. I prefer the ketlec p32 for deep conceal mouse guns and their old model 81 for 'chonky' 32 auto pistols personally. Really wish they continued the 80x line instead of moving on to the small 'cats' pistol lineup for reimagining. I'd have lost my mind at a threaded barrel, optic plate 32 double stack. Sad they haven't put threaded barrels on the 80x from what I've seen of it so far, really want one regardless.
With the revamp of the 80-series starting with the 80X I think threaded barrels are inevitable given the market demand for them. I am pretty fond of the P32; my wife had one for a while, but sadly I liked it better than she did and she sold it on to try something else (she eventually settled on the Sig P238 Legion, which does not quite fill the same role.) The locked breech of the P32 really makes it work; without that super-compact .32s like the Seecamp have unpleasant recoil. The issue with with tilt-up barrel is that it pretty much ties you to straight blow-back, and on a micro pistol in .32 ACP that either means it's going to kick hard or have to be chunky. Personally I never understood why the Model 21 had such chunky grips; the basic pistol is pretty svelte.
@@tinkertalksguns7289 Love my P32. Could do without the plastic recoil rod lol but glad I got one back. Terrible loss having sold it, and good to know on the Seecamp, I had thought it would just be a metal p32, not as familiar with the internals so I was on assumption that it recoiled more mild than the keltec, not more lol even happier with my p32
I would do a flip if they came out with an 80x in 32acp. The 30x will have to do till then.
Bobs you uncle,, unless he's your Aunt ! This being 2024..🤔
He's not really you know; we just tell people that to avoid awkward questions... 😏
Sorry. Ammo i meant
Mine broke after 130 rounds of recommended ammo. Dealing with Beretta CS has been “interesting” to say the least. Still unresolved. 👎🏻
Well that sucks! I'm very sorry to hear that
That gun is so fat that it should have double stack magazines
You're not wrong.