The Indestructible auras are attached to each other bot nothing else, correct? Would it not just go to the grave as all other auras with no attached creature do? Or does having them attached to each other solve that?
Great! Now play two more Indestructibilities, use Simic Guildmage's ability to attach them in a loop, and use additional blink spells to get hexproof counters on the new ones. You have now created what I like to call an auraboros.
The Omni just makes the combos easier to play. A lot of my videos I basically have Platinum Angel + Enter the Infinite + Omniscience just to get everything in hand and make it cost nothing to cast. Abilities still cost mana though.
@@PhoenicopterusR You’re about a quarter right. First it’s only 2 more enchantments because starfield of nyx is an enchantment. Second creatures cannot be attached to creatures and auras can’t be attached to nothing so if they were made into creatures they’d both be put into the graveyard due to state based actions (this would be avoided if you have a rules lawyer out). Third starfield of Nyx says non aura enchantment which fortunately means indestructiball doesn’t get deleted, but also it means even with rules lawyer out they will still not do much. The quarter that you’re right about is that this is actually useful with Starfield of Nyx as it gives you a guaranteed two enchantments.
I've always wanted a magic card that read "This cannot leave the battlefield". No exile, no sacrifice, no destruction, no return to hand. If anything removes it from the battlefield it just doesn't.
No worries, Mark will eventually convince the team to print something like that. And then when you play it, someone will immediately target it with an enchantment that says “Can’t attack or block.”
fun fact, doing that in a tournament setting you would get a warning for slow play I think and would be forced to do a different play or pass priority!
@@selkokieli843 It will not, if it is short-cuttable, which it is. You also must short-cut things that can be. You get slow play warnings, if you execute a non-deterministic combo that repeats the same state twice in a row. Slow play rules are a bit wierd, though. For example, Gitrog dredge combo is not slow play, even if it takes you a full hour to execute. Shuffle Hulk (infinite, non-abortable mill with Nacromoeba and a pinging sac-outlet and a Titan to re-shuffle) is slow play.
I can't have two indestructibilities, cries in commander, wait, thank God for many copy permanents/enchantment. I'm just missing a land to have all that is required ☺️
Hurray, I got to contribute! Credit where it's due, I got this almost fifteen years ago from a Mothership article talking about doing it with Faith's Fetters, but the name and functionality is a lot funnier with Indestructibility. Love the videos as always!
Before you put the hexproof counters on it, enchant one of the indestructibilities with stab wound, then use one of the several cards that can make your opponent gain control of it. This is what I‘ve dubbed the “cancer cell”
Weird things you can do in Magic ideas. Idea 1 Step 1: Cast Grand abolisher. Step 2: Cast Lethal Vapors Step 3: Sacrifice Lethal Vapors a thousand times to skip your next thousand turns. Step 4: In response play teferi's protection. You are now basically not playing magic and as long as your opponent can't mill you or plays an alternate wincon you win the game because your opponents deck out. Idea 2 Step 1: Play Pramikon and choose right. Step 2: Play Sakashima of a thousand faces/Spark double/mystic Barrier and choose left. Now no one can attack anyone.
Ideal 1 can bei circumvented by spells that say "damage cant be prevent" and Commander damage (No Life loss required). Also, "each Player Mills a Card"x100 + "each Player draws a Card"
You can play an entire hand of cards with no lands, and have three lands in play turn 1 with nothing but nonland cards. First play Mana Crypt and Lotus Petal, using both to cast Show and Tell. Put Omniscience into play, then cast Arcane Adaptation naming Saproling, Opalescence, and Life and Limb. Your enchantments other than Opalescence are now 1/1 Forest Saprolings in addition to their other types. I had this idea after being asked to name three nonland cards as an entry question for a Facebook group, so I named Conspiracy, Opalescence, and Life and Limb. Naming Arcane Adaptation in this setup cuts black to make it easier to fit into a deck, in case anyone ever wanted to try it in game.
Lethal Vapors combined with Darksteel Forge & Mycosinth Lattice to make Vapors indestructible. Use any other card to prevent your opponents from activating Lethal Vapors during your turn. Activate the 0 ability 1,000,000 times. Cast Teferi's Protection. You and all of your permanents cease to exist until the game ends. You basically win by default. This is the win con of one of my commander decks.
You don't even need the Darksteel Forge or Mycosynth Lattice. As long as you have a way to stop your opponents activating abilities during your turn (such as City of Solitude or Grand Abolisher), then you play the Vapors, then activate it an arbitrarily high number of times, then cast Teferi's Protection. Since the enchantment isn't destroyed until the abilities start resolving, you can keep activating it in response to itself even though it isn't indestructible. Then the only way for you to lose is for your opponents to have some way of never running out of library cards, or for them to use "each player draws X cards" spells and abilities to make you draw out. (or looping Ichor Rats to give each player poison or something, or an opponent using "you win the game" cards like Thassa's Oracle)
Please, Max. Never stop making Videos like this. You make by far the most creative MTG Content i know (Exept for the rapped deck tech that Daniel Wong did once, but that one is hard to beat)
How about using Mycosynth Lattice to turn all permanents into artifacts, then enchanting your Mechanized Production with another copy of Mechanized Production?
that almost feels like bringing 4 copies of mirror march with dance of the manse x>=6 as creatures onto the battlefield all triggered of each other with 16 mirror march triggers on the stack that all produce more mirror marches
I actually did that on Arena against my friend one time. Used Role Reversal to give him one of the two Platinum Angels I had made indestructible with Chance for Glory. Then destroyed all the lands with Fall of the Thran, exiled his whole deck with Ashiok Dream Render, and used Planar Cleansing to ensure that nothing was in play except our Platinum Angels.
Ooo, you could use that enchantment from theros that makes your enchantments creatures with power and toughness equal to cmc and make some pretty neat bodies
Still vulnerable to mass bounce and mass exile effects. Use opalescence to make them creatures, then use ashaya to make them lands. Since all the mass bounce/exile things say "no land", they'll be immune.
Mycosynth lattice, bludgeon brawl. Everything (even lands) are artifacts, and those lands are now equipments! Now go smack someone with a creature wielding mountains (or other funny lands, like dark depths or the castle cycle from Eldraine).
So a cool interaction that I've always wanted to pull of but never have is making the sultai vortath into a Gideon planeswalker using Elspeth conquers death to give it a loyalty. Doesn't do much but it sounds fun
I think the next jank deck I'm going to build is using Sarkhan to turn planeswalkers into dragons, and then mutating onto them, so I can have a bunch of ridiculous mutants with loyalty abilities.
Self replicating helm of the host: Play a helm of the host, turn it into a creature, make it non legendary by turning that creature into something else (metamorphic alteration), then play another helm of the host and attach it to the weird creature we now have. Next, blink of an eye (or whatever) the metamorphic alteration while the second helm’s ability is on the stack. Wonderful, you now have a non legendary helm of the host. Start equipping!
I played Demonic Embrace on an opponents Luminous Aspirant, in order for him to make it impossible to put counters on his Baneslayer Angel... Still lost, but it was funny
My favorite is. Have grand abolisher on the field. Cast lethal vipers then activate its ability, while on the stack, active it again. Do this a billion times. Then Cast teferis protection. You are now phased out for the next billion turns! :D
@@ericliu6568 there are holes in the combo. But it's just funny to do. I did it at my lgc then got up and went out to get food came back and they were still goin
When you phase back in a billion turns later you will be facing a board of 900 million Platnium Angel Tokens, 900 million Verdant Forces, and 900 million factorial Saproling Tokens.
Random idea that i got close to but wasn't able to perfect it: Exile your commander deck with myr incubator and mana severance. I'm still looking for a few pieces to remove some leftovers but I got pretty close. You probably want a commander like arcum dagsson (or any other way to quickly tutor the incubator onto the field consistently as early as possible). I kind of wanna find a way to speed this silly deck idea up. Any suggestions?
A 10(+?) Card Infinite combo could be interesting. Maybe a combo that does nothing or only helps your opponent, something like enchant Forcemage advocate with feed from the real (or I am superman) the double X creature from one of the resent commander sets with: remove a +1/+1 counter from it to add 2 colorless that you can only use to activate mana abilities or cast artifacts (don't remember which lol) and any artifact that has,"2 mana of any color: add one mana of any color" make a blue pay it into feed from the reall to untap the the advocate which starts the loop over and all that you have done is returned a card from an opponents grave to their hand which you can do any number of times. Just funny
Right forcemage is obscure so I should explain, 1 and a green 2/1 creature with,"tap:return target card in an opponent's graveyard to his or her hand. Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature." So you tap it put the counter on something, as long as you make a blue mana by the end so that you can spend it into the feed from the real. It's less of a weird thing and more of a funny thing because you could be making infinite blue mana and make an infinite/infinite with it instead or draw your deck but instead the only thing you're doing is giving your opponent anything they want and you get nothing.
OK, I have to ask: doesn't this go against rule 704.5m, since you'll have one aura not enchanting anything, resulting in it being put into the graveyard as a state-based action: "If an Aura is attached to an illegal object or player, or is not attached to an object or player, that Aura is put into its owner's graveyard."?
@@MaxMakesMagic are they doing so simultaneously? I was under the impression that at one time you'd have an aura enchanting nothing, resulting in it leaving play
I thought due to the nature of Spell resolution, one has to resolve before another can? FIFO etc. Also, until a spell resolves it's not considered a permanent, no?
@@michaelsorensen7567 They can enter the battlefield without being cast, with flicker effects, for example. In that case, they can enchant any legal permanents, and it doesn't even targets (it goes around hexproof/shroud but not protection). Since both have "enchant permanent", either they can enchant each other, either they cannot because of some exception or timing rule involved I don't know.
Turning helm of the host into a creature using sakashima of a thousand faces and use a ensoul artifact to make helm of the host a creature and equip the helm of the host onto helm of the host.
weird things you can do in Magic: the Gathering: - Control Mycosynth Lattice, turning all permanents into artifacts. - Play Bludgeon Brawl, turning all non-creature, non-equpment artifacts into equipment. - Play either Genesis Wave or Genesis Ultimatum, putting Vulshock Battlemaster and Oubliette into play at the same time. - Resolve the two so that Vulshock Battlemaster will resolve first, with Oubliette resolving afterwards, targeting Battlemaster. - Vulshock Battlemaster will attach all equipment on the battlefield to it, meaning all non-creature permanents are now attached to it, including Oubliette. - Oubliette resolves, phasing out Vulshock Battlemaster and all cards attached to it, including Oubliette, until Oubliette leaves the battlefield. - Oubliette is now phased out and can't be interacted with, meaning all non-creature permanents in play have now been phased out indefinitely. (Mix in something that turns your lands into creatures, such as Sylvan Awakening, for essentially a one-sided boardwipe.)
My plan was to make everything into non creatures, then into equipment, then attach literally everything to vulshok battlemaster. Bringing a new meaning to "swing with everything". My initial tests failed, but I think timestamps were the issue
@@xigbarruckman I was thinking of Opalescence, but it seems that has basically the same restriction. It says global enchantments which is basically the way of saying non-aura before aura existed.
That's correct, the first Indestructibility was moved off of it. It doesn't particularly matter which permanent you start the first Indestructibility on, it just makes sense as far as brainspace goes to start it on the last essential combo piece.
The video bugged slightly on export, so the final scene is a bit weird, sorry 😭 blame Adobe Premiere!
Another home run video! We're getting quality content so a slight bug is no big deal
The Indestructible auras are attached to each other bot nothing else, correct? Would it not just go to the grave as all other auras with no attached creature do? Or does having them attached to each other solve that?
Great! Now play two more Indestructibilities, use Simic Guildmage's ability to attach them in a loop, and use additional blink spells to get hexproof counters on the new ones. You have now created what I like to call an auraboros.
Bro this comment is way too smart
I was a bit curious if anything was gonna happen with that Platinum Angel tbh
That's my "don't mess up after drawing your whole deck for the combo" insurance 😂
I was waiting for the omni to be in it
The Omni just makes the combos easier to play. A lot of my videos I basically have Platinum Angel + Enter the Infinite + Omniscience just to get everything in hand and make it cost nothing to cast. Abilities still cost mana though.
@@MaxMakesMagic ahh get it 😁
@@MaxMakesMagic ah yup fair enough. Keep making these vids man. 😊
Does nothing you say? Thats some nice guaranteed white devotion right there.
Love it 😅
Starfield of Nyx would also like to have a word. Just get 3 more enchantments on the board and you suddenly have 2 perpetual 4/4s
@@PhoenicopterusR You’re about a quarter right. First it’s only 2 more enchantments because starfield of nyx is an enchantment. Second creatures cannot be attached to creatures and auras can’t be attached to nothing so if they were made into creatures they’d both be put into the graveyard due to state based actions (this would be avoided if you have a rules lawyer out). Third starfield of Nyx says non aura enchantment which fortunately means indestructiball doesn’t get deleted, but also it means even with rules lawyer out they will still not do much. The quarter that you’re right about is that this is actually useful with Starfield of Nyx as it gives you a guaranteed two enchantments.
@@PhoenicopterusR it's only for non aura though. But I guess if you opponent somehow lets you sacrifice them you can get them back?
Use Memnarch to turn both auras into artifacts and it's also guaranteed affinity for artifacts
I've always wanted a magic card that read "This cannot leave the battlefield". No exile, no sacrifice, no destruction, no return to hand. If anything removes it from the battlefield it just doesn't.
I've thought about this too. I'd give it a keyword of "Anchor" or something similar.
@@cbenoit427 so an Emblem?
No worries, Mark will eventually convince the team to print something like that.
And then when you play it, someone will immediately target it with an enchantment that says “Can’t attack or block.”
@@Solrex_the_Sun_King A 0/0 with Anchor, Hexproof, and this spell can't be countered.
@Stephen Peterka
1. Emblems aren’t on the battlefield
2. Karn Liberated can remove Emblems
You can’t interact with it, I can’t interact with it, it’s just there.
Hey, it is Hexproof, not shroud.
You can interact with it. Very unfortunate that WotC didn't create a Shroud token...
Going infinite with basalt monolith. Tap basalt for 3 mana... Untap basalt with the 3 mana you just created
That paired with relic bind was the first time MTG laid down a ban.
Basalt monolith goes infinite with TWO different cards from ikoria! Can you name them?
@@placeholdername-1 Zirda and Kinnan
fun fact, doing that in a tournament setting you would get a warning for slow play I think and would be forced to do a different play or pass priority!
@@selkokieli843 It will not, if it is short-cuttable, which it is. You also must short-cut things that can be. You get slow play warnings, if you execute a non-deterministic combo that repeats the same state twice in a row. Slow play rules are a bit wierd, though. For example, Gitrog dredge combo is not slow play, even if it takes you a full hour to execute. Shuffle Hulk (infinite, non-abortable mill with Nacromoeba and a pinging sac-outlet and a Titan to re-shuffle) is slow play.
I can't have two indestructibilities, cries in commander, wait, thank God for many copy permanents/enchantment. I'm just missing a land to have all that is required ☺️
Hurray, I got to contribute! Credit where it's due, I got this almost fifteen years ago from a Mothership article talking about doing it with Faith's Fetters, but the name and functionality is a lot funnier with Indestructibility.
Love the videos as always!
Cool!
Pharika’s Libation and Ugin has something they would like to discuss with you :)
Before you put the hexproof counters on it, enchant one of the indestructibilities with stab wound, then use one of the several cards that can make your opponent gain control of it. This is what I‘ve dubbed the “cancer cell”
Wave of Vitriol will blow this house down like it does with all of my dreams :D
Weird things you can do in Magic ideas.
Idea 1
Step 1: Cast Grand abolisher.
Step 2: Cast Lethal Vapors
Step 3: Sacrifice Lethal Vapors a thousand times to skip your next thousand turns.
Step 4: In response play teferi's protection.
You are now basically not playing magic and as long as your opponent can't mill you or plays an alternate wincon you win the game because your opponents deck out.
Idea 2
Step 1: Play Pramikon and choose right.
Step 2: Play Sakashima of a thousand faces/Spark double/mystic Barrier and choose left.
Now no one can attack anyone.
Slight problem with idea one, each opponent can respond to you sacrificing it a thousand times by doing the same
What you need is a guaranteed way to skip just your turn such as Eater of days
Ideal 1 can bei circumvented by spells that say "damage cant be prevent" and Commander damage (No Life loss required). Also, "each Player Mills a Card"x100 + "each Player draws a Card"
You can play an entire hand of cards with no lands, and have three lands in play turn 1 with nothing but nonland cards. First play Mana Crypt and Lotus Petal, using both to cast Show and Tell. Put Omniscience into play, then cast Arcane Adaptation naming Saproling, Opalescence, and Life and Limb. Your enchantments other than Opalescence are now 1/1 Forest Saprolings in addition to their other types. I had this idea after being asked to name three nonland cards as an entry question for a Facebook group, so I named Conspiracy, Opalescence, and Life and Limb. Naming Arcane Adaptation in this setup cuts black to make it easier to fit into a deck, in case anyone ever wanted to try it in game.
Lethal Vapors combined with Darksteel Forge & Mycosinth Lattice to make Vapors indestructible. Use any other card to prevent your opponents from activating Lethal Vapors during your turn. Activate the 0 ability 1,000,000 times. Cast Teferi's Protection. You and all of your permanents cease to exist until the game ends. You basically win by default. This is the win con of one of my commander decks.
You don't even need the Darksteel Forge or Mycosynth Lattice. As long as you have a way to stop your opponents activating abilities during your turn (such as City of Solitude or Grand Abolisher), then you play the Vapors, then activate it an arbitrarily high number of times, then cast Teferi's Protection.
Since the enchantment isn't destroyed until the abilities start resolving, you can keep activating it in response to itself even though it isn't indestructible.
Then the only way for you to lose is for your opponents to have some way of never running out of library cards, or for them to use "each player draws X cards" spells and abilities to make you draw out. (or looping Ichor Rats to give each player poison or something, or an opponent using "you win the game" cards like Thassa's Oracle)
Please, Max. Never stop making Videos like this. You make by far the most creative MTG Content i know (Exept for the rapped deck tech that Daniel Wong did once, but that one is hard to beat)
But MTGRemy though
Yeah Remy is pretty great ngl
How about using Mycosynth Lattice to turn all permanents into artifacts, then enchanting your Mechanized Production with another copy of Mechanized Production?
that almost feels like bringing 4 copies of mirror march with dance of the manse x>=6 as creatures onto the battlefield all triggered of each other with 16 mirror march triggers on the stack that all produce more mirror marches
I can't remember the specifics at the moment, but i think there's a way with Neurok Transmuter to have a permanent with no type.
You could play Starfield of Nyx to make the indestructiball into a 4/4 creature, that could be sorta helpful.
"Even if you kill me, this will remain on my board. In fact, I'm glueing it to the table to make a point."
I remember a long time ago giving Tephraderm indistructable and having it damage itself to see if mtgo would survive
seems like that would result in a draw
@@mywife69 in cardboard it would draw, online it crashed the game
Now find a way to stop them from being exiled by a wrath and I’ll be impressed.
With that Platinum Angel I thought you would put the game into a state that neither player can win the game... xD
I actually did that on Arena against my friend one time. Used Role Reversal to give him one of the two Platinum Angels I had made indestructible with Chance for Glory. Then destroyed all the lands with Fall of the Thran, exiled his whole deck with Ashiok Dream Render, and used Planar Cleansing to ensure that nothing was in play except our Platinum Angels.
@@a.velderrain8849 oof
Ooo, you could use that enchantment from theros that makes your enchantments creatures with power and toughness equal to cmc and make some pretty neat bodies
Starfield of Nyx says "each other *non-Aura* enchantment".
I cast... Cyclonic Rift, overloaded.
Where is your god now?!
And I found my comment
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
NOW MY ALL THAT GLITTERS WILL ALWAYS GIVE AT LEAST +3/+3
Cool!
Extinction Event and Liliana, Dreadhorde General's -3 ability would still remove them.
Well, it does something. It increases the number of permanants you control for city's blessing. Witch you defently care about in this point of game
ah yes, platinum angel and 15 dual lands
You can use Leveller, a blasting station and endless whispers, to kill your enemy by removing both your decks from the game.
Still vulnerable to mass bounce and mass exile effects. Use opalescence to make them creatures, then use ashaya to make them lands. Since all the mass bounce/exile things say "no land", they'll be immune.
Opalescence says "non-Aura enchantment".
Merciless eviction is the only solution to eliminate this.... whatever this is.
Mycosynth lattice, bludgeon brawl. Everything (even lands) are artifacts, and those lands are now equipments! Now go smack someone with a creature wielding mountains (or other funny lands, like dark depths or the castle cycle from Eldraine).
1/10 still exiles to Kalmene’s Captain, Merciless Eviction, Perilous Vault, Play of the Game, Urza’s Ruinous Blast, and Worldfire
Just searched for this comment. :D
Don´t forget Ugin and cards that return everything to hands or letting you sacrifice enchantments.
"But it doesn't do anything!" "No - it does nothing."
So a cool interaction that I've always wanted to pull of but never have is making the sultai vortath into a Gideon planeswalker using Elspeth conquers death to give it a loyalty. Doesn't do much but it sounds fun
I think the next jank deck I'm going to build is using Sarkhan to turn planeswalkers into dragons, and then mutating onto them, so I can have a bunch of ridiculous mutants with loyalty abilities.
and then somebody chaos warps your simic guildmage.
They can still take control of your turn and use your own removal on it or sacrifice outlet or something... needs shroud
Self replicating helm of the host: Play a helm of the host, turn it into a creature, make it non legendary by turning that creature into something else (metamorphic alteration), then play another helm of the host and attach it to the weird creature we now have. Next, blink of an eye (or whatever) the metamorphic alteration while the second helm’s ability is on the stack. Wonderful, you now have a non legendary helm of the host. Start equipping!
I played Demonic Embrace on an opponents Luminous Aspirant, in order for him to make it impossible to put counters on his Baneslayer Angel... Still lost, but it was funny
Make one about resurrecting a Darksteel Colossus! That's a fun little interaction ^^
This is silly and I love every part of it
My favorite is.
Have grand abolisher on the field. Cast lethal vipers then activate its ability, while on the stack, active it again. Do this a billion times. Then Cast teferis protection. You are now phased out for the next billion turns! :D
This would technically win you the game 👀👀👀
@@ericliu6568 there are holes in the combo. But it's just funny to do. I did it at my lgc then got up and went out to get food came back and they were still goin
When you phase back in a billion turns later you will be facing a board of 900 million Platnium Angel Tokens, 900 million Verdant Forces, and 900 million factorial Saproling Tokens.
Great hahaha! I think it would be clearer of you could keep the battlefield clean of permanents that doesn't matter for the video!
I mean, opponent can just exile all enchanments, or permanents if you really wanna go all out.
You gotta give it shroud or else you could get mindslavered and forced into destroying your own ball
Now just make them unable to be returned to hand, the deck, or sacrificed
A small price to pay for 2 unremovable white devotion
It still dies to "exile all permanents"
Random idea that i got close to but wasn't able to perfect it: Exile your commander deck with myr incubator and mana severance. I'm still looking for a few pieces to remove some leftovers but I got pretty close. You probably want a commander like arcum dagsson (or any other way to quickly tutor the incubator onto the field consistently as early as possible). I kind of wanna find a way to speed this silly deck idea up. Any suggestions?
MERCILESS EVICTION… we need to go deeper
What program did you use for this? Did MTGO get a facelift while I was gone?
Maybe! I think it got funky stuff added last year some time?
Still dies to Farewell from Kamigawa Neon Dynasty (god what an annoying card)
can you make The Onion? it's a bunch of clones that add different text on it. Copy Artifact, Copy Enchantment, Evin Twin, ect.
I think I had that idea a while back and didn't follow through, so I should definitely check on all the "... except it's" cards
It can still be removed with Merciless Eviction lol.
Turn them into creatures and then put Kaya's Ghostform on them. You'll have to redo the setup in the aftermath but hey, they will still be there.
Now run Opalescence and beat down with your two invulnerable enchantments
Wouldn' it be easier to just put a hexproof counter on the black iron puck?
You can still sacrifice them, 6.5/10
Nice content!
Can you show some crazy layers-Humility related stuff?
This could be it's own format! Lol
How does this interact with board wipe if a creature is equipped with it?
Throw in an opalescence and you have two 4/4 unstoppable beatsticks
Opalescence only affects "Each other non-Aura enchantment", unfortunately.
A 10(+?) Card Infinite combo could be interesting. Maybe a combo that does nothing or only helps your opponent, something like enchant Forcemage advocate with feed from the real (or I am superman) the double X creature from one of the resent commander sets with: remove a +1/+1 counter from it to add 2 colorless that you can only use to activate mana abilities or cast artifacts (don't remember which lol) and any artifact that has,"2 mana of any color: add one mana of any color" make a blue pay it into feed from the reall to untap the the advocate which starts the loop over and all that you have done is returned a card from an opponents grave to their hand which you can do any number of times. Just funny
Right forcemage is obscure so I should explain, 1 and a green 2/1 creature with,"tap:return target card in an opponent's graveyard to his or her hand. Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature." So you tap it put the counter on something, as long as you make a blue mana by the end so that you can spend it into the feed from the real. It's less of a weird thing and more of a funny thing because you could be making infinite blue mana and make an infinite/infinite with it instead or draw your deck but instead the only thing you're doing is giving your opponent anything they want and you get nothing.
Laughs in all is dust
Or play Darksteel Forge, Mycosynth Lattice and Padeem.
PS: works well with Nevinyrrals Disk ;)
yes people love me in commander
Why don’t the aura’s go to the graveyard as a state based effect?
Activates perilous vault
Can you turn a 1/1 red goblin creature token into an artifact that can't leave the battlefield by any means?
It's still vurnerable to non targeting exiles ... I dunno is there a card that does that to enchantments ?
OK, I have to ask: doesn't this go against rule 704.5m, since you'll have one aura not enchanting anything, resulting in it being put into the graveyard as a state-based action: "If an Aura is attached to an illegal object or player, or is not attached to an object or player, that Aura is put into its owner's graveyard."?
The Auras are enchanting each other, so it's perfectly legal
@@MaxMakesMagic are they doing so simultaneously? I was under the impression that at one time you'd have an aura enchanting nothing, resulting in it leaving play
Nope, you never have a situation here where an aura is enchanting nothing. MTGO does track this happening.
@@MaxMakesMagic OK, cool to know, thanks for clearing that up :)
Are there any creature affects that can cause a similar on something like a platinum angel?
Starfield of nyx can make good use of these
Cyclonic Rift overloaded...
Crown of the Ages shenanigans, please
Does having both enchantments entering the battlefield at the same time allow them to enchant each other?
That is an excellent question and I believe that the answer is no, just from experience.
I thought due to the nature of Spell resolution, one has to resolve before another can? FIFO etc.
Also, until a spell resolves it's not considered a permanent, no?
@@michaelsorensen7567 They can enter the battlefield without being cast, with flicker effects, for example. In that case, they can enchant any legal permanents, and it doesn't even targets (it goes around hexproof/shroud but not protection). Since both have "enchant permanent", either they can enchant each other, either they cannot because of some exception or timing rule involved I don't know.
it doesn't do nothing. It helps get your devotion to white up.
opponent plays Apocalypse...
But what if the overload cyclonig or exil all my stuff? :)
Turning helm of the host into a creature using sakashima of a thousand faces and use a ensoul artifact to make helm of the host a creature and equip the helm of the host onto helm of the host.
weird things you can do in Magic: the Gathering:
- Control Mycosynth Lattice, turning all permanents into artifacts.
- Play Bludgeon Brawl, turning all non-creature, non-equpment artifacts into equipment.
- Play either Genesis Wave or Genesis Ultimatum, putting Vulshock Battlemaster and Oubliette into play at the same time.
- Resolve the two so that Vulshock Battlemaster will resolve first, with Oubliette resolving afterwards, targeting Battlemaster.
- Vulshock Battlemaster will attach all equipment on the battlefield to it, meaning all non-creature permanents are now attached to it, including Oubliette.
- Oubliette resolves, phasing out Vulshock Battlemaster and all cards attached to it, including Oubliette, until Oubliette leaves the battlefield.
- Oubliette is now phased out and can't be interacted with, meaning all non-creature permanents in play have now been phased out indefinitely.
(Mix in something that turns your lands into creatures, such as Sylvan Awakening, for essentially a one-sided boardwipe.)
That's really fantastic! I already was planning the naive version of this, but I love the oubliette version 😂
@@MaxMakesMagic naive? not sure what that version is.
My plan was to make everything into non creatures, then into equipment, then attach literally everything to vulshok battlemaster. Bringing a new meaning to "swing with everything". My initial tests failed, but I think timestamps were the issue
@@MaxMakesMagic Ah, gotcha. that *would* be funny, yeah.
How can I use platinum angel to be invincible? Is there a method? I seek immortality.
Mass exile still works though.
Sadly, these can still be removed from the board by untargeted exile spells like Apocalypse. Is there a way to stop that I wonder?
also by forcing enchantment or permanent sacrifices
Good'ol overloaded cyclonic Rift,
Nice moves and all however it’s quit impossible to use in real match up
In resp overloaded cyclonic rift
Dies to shadowspear or smokestack...
I’ve never actually put loyalty or lore counters in the ozolith, it’s possible, but I don’t really want to have to make it would, could you do it?
One of my video ideas was trying to get every single counter possible on the Ozolith. MTGO was just too buggy to manage it unfortunately.
When you need 2 devotion /that/ badly....
isnt there a card somewhere that makes enchantments creatures? You've got yourself 2 beatsticks right there
If you are thinking Starfield of Nyx, then it only applies to non-aura enchantments
@@xigbarruckman I was thinking of Opalescence, but it seems that has basically the same restriction. It says global enchantments which is basically the way of saying non-aura before aura existed.
thats not possible, because creatures can't enchant anything. They will be destroyed(?) as a state based actions as soon as they enchant something
Still dies to Ugin
still lose the indestructiball to cataclysm
Mean, maybe you could turn them into creatures
So the Guildmage is no longer indestructible?
That's correct, the first Indestructibility was moved off of it. It doesn't particularly matter which permanent you start the first Indestructibility on, it just makes sense as far as brainspace goes to start it on the last essential combo piece.
Oh it's like word.
The word word is a word.
Incredible uhh I mean indestructible right?
Still can be sacrificed, lol
shadowspear?
I cast merciless eviction
I don’t understand indestructible. How indestructible are we talking?
Merciless Eviction anyone?