Timestamps: 0:00 - Awake, cancelled after one season - He-Man Reboot/ Sylvie's stolen name 4:56 - Rick and Morty new season 8:57 - Guest Intro /Media pain 17:59 - How the MCU really began - The Multiversal war, amazing worldbuilding 27:15 - Weaponization/ The writer's experience - 'Remember X?' 39:13 - Kang in the comics 46:44 - >Critical Drinker Arrives - The first episode/ Loki competence 57:10 - Power of Reset Charges/ Rules of Time Travel 1:07:02 - Kang planned it all, everything 1:13:18 - TVA competence - Character assassination of Loki & Black Widow 1:24:29 - Variant trials - Branching timelines, power of love 1:31:52 - 'Hiding in apocalypses'/ Variant Kangs - TVA tech 1:46:31 - Effect of seeing your future - How Loki's story ended 1:55:27 - Future Big Bads 1:58:52 - Loki's inconsistent power - Time travel rules/ Variant pruning 2:07:52 - Best part of the show, 'Richard E. Grant' - More Loki character assassination/ Wasted time 2:18:28 - TVA misusing it's weapons - glorious porpoise 2:25:17 - The choice at the end of Loki - Changed TVA/ Kang's actor 2:39:32 - Breaking the stakes, soon to be forgotten - Hiding bad writing 2:57:19 - The Writers & Directors - New priorities/ New shows 3:10:28 - >Kevin Smith's livestream/ He-Man - What might cause change? 3:21:33 - Marvel & superhero fatigue - Superhero as a genre 3:34:40 - >Shadiversity Leaves
3:38:40 - Video Starts/ 'Loki is Exactly what marvel needed' - 'I wish there was more of it' 3:47:42 - 'Downsized version of what we get on the movies' - Stakes: 'Incredibly huge & Personal' 3:57:07 - Different reactions, 'finale felt earned' - Not saying anything 3:57:07 - 'Mobius' actor did his job' [wow] 4:21:05 - Judged by what it sets up 4:27:14 - >'Jonathan Majors got me more excited than anything they did with Thanos' - What Kang could've been 4:51:53 - 'This is what marvel needed' - What there is to look forward 4:58:40 - >Critical Drinker leaves - 'MCU needed a concrete direction'[...] 'and this is it' 5:08:17 - Sponsor segment: 'He used the Ad to facilitate more Ads' / Video Ends 5:20:04 - TH-camr playing a characters/ GoT's Fall 5:27:57 -> HeelvsBabyface & Nerdrotic Leave/ Thoughts on Activision Blizzard 5:32:02 - Superchats Start [Superchat timestamps will be in the reply to this comment (when finished)]
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Well if Kang is supposed to be a meta Disney/MCU writer/CEO it means he represents just trying to keep the media alive by shelling out dialogue, lessons, self deprecation, and new straws to be destroyed or brought down for profit. And barely believing in anything he’s actually doing in any deep way, but simply to keep life of this “universe” going forever
So many loan officers turned into ash because they saw that an Avenger surely deserved a loan. Or informed him that he had lots of money from Tony Stark.
1:50:29 That's right! Back in _Age of Ultron,_ Thor had brought a flask of Asgardian booze to the party at Avenger's Tower, and when Stan Lee's cameo character told him to share, Thor explicitly stated that this liquor "was not made for mortal men"; it's played off as a gag where Stan's character brushes it off saying "Neither was Omaha Beach, now pass it over!" only for the scene to cut to him being dragged off while slurring "Excelsior...!", but if Asgardian booze really *is* that potent, then Loki *shouldn't* have gotten drunk from whatever that airline was offering!
Isn't Stan Lee in the MCU cannotically a Watcher? Some super powerful immortal being? If he got drunk on asgardian liquor, it says a lot about how potent that shit really is.
@@peanutgallery4 Pretty sure it was confirmed by James Gunn and Marvel in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, where his cameo is credited as "Watcher Informant" and he's been the same character this whole time just watching over the main players in the MCU for the Watchers.
Winter Soldier: It was Hydra all along... The Avengers: It was Thanos all along... Wandavision: It was Agatha all along... Black Widow: It was Dreykov's Widows all along... Loki: It was the TVA--err--Space Lizards--err--Kang all along... *STAAAHP IT!*
I don’t understand this criticism really. Thanos and hyrda aren’t connected like at all. Hyrda was also never built up to be the big bad either. So this criticism makes like no sense
@@kevinnigins9488 it devalues the impact if you use it in your story too many times. Trying to outdo yourself in plot twists inevitably leads you into Jumping the shark and getting way in over your head trying to organize all the rules and story threads you are creating.
1:45:00 I compared the accelerated character development of Loki to something like a Christmas Carol. Scrooge couldn’t be shown Christmas future and gotten the character development he needed to change it took having to relive his past and the world around him first to grasp the future. You can’t just show someone the future and expect them to have a sudden character development on the spot.
2:13:40 "He's a frost giant. Damn it!" Thank you for that, Gary. Also, just remembered Loki's anti-free will speech in Avengers 1. That seems to be the entirety of the writer's research on Loki.
That doesn't apply to all games. Ultimate marvel vs Capcom 3 Galactus Metal gear Rex Dark beast Ganon Virgil dmc Bowser in super Mario odyssey And almost every arcade style racing game
If EFAP had liked Loki series, they would've been melted. Except for Rags. He has a Glock. After Rags survives, he visits the Don, who exists beyond time and space. And EFAP is restored.
Loki didn’t use magic to maintain his Asgardian form. Remember his very first appearance as an infant? He turns when Odin picks him up. Remember when we see him turn back? It’s not intentional there, either.
We can fix Loki. After the Hulk pummeled him back and forth he was in a coma and dreamed all of this crap. He wakes up in his cell in Asgard where he's at for the whole of Thor 2 and says "Damn, that was a weird dream."
Not a bad idea. The easiest solution, though, is to rewind to the episode where Loki is shown his life on film. Say that none of the subsequent episodes happened. It was all part of the TVA's attempt to get Loki onside. In fact the TVA are lying about their level of control. They use 60s tech because they actually are from the 60s and what few time powers we see were accidentally gifted by an as of yet unexplored time stone shenanigan or their own research or by a new superhero/villain that we haven't been introduced to yet. Alternatively the TVA could have been founded by Loki himself and he is acting out an undercover boss scenario. Maybe he wants to obscure his real role at the TVA. Maybe he wants TVA agents to think they really are part of an all powerful organization, functionally immortal and predestined to do whatever it is they are being ordered to do.
they turned the intelligent, strong, god of mischief into a doormat. how do these writers even get hired? how did anyone think this was a good idea? how are half the fans ok with this?
Yep. And when I point out he's changed and OOC in the show so many people come and tell me "it makes sense because he saw his future" like NO, you don't change drastically when you watch a video, your whole personality doesn't change, it was a rushed unnatural 'development'.
Probably because half of Loki's fans were not fans at all, but thirsty casuals. To them, all his other character traits be damned, he was just another "bad boy" with a pretty face for them to fantasize about changing and taming.
@@hexogramd8430 If they are honest, then of course not, they're free to like whatever they please. My beef are with those that try to sell me a cheap, lazy knock-off by claiming it to be a vintage original, and then get butt-hurt when they get called out on it.
Because they are brain dead corporate simps. The quality doesn't matter to them. It's just more content from their favourite franchise. They will lap it up no matter what.
@@Turd_Rocketits stupid but it does, since it explains why there was only a single case where they won that was seemingly so reliant on luck. (Granted then you'd need to give a reason why 1 the avengers couldn't stop the TVA abd 2 why Strange never mentioned them, but it WOULD improve the line in isolation)
Im surprised people are mad at EFAP and other YT folks like Az, Shad and Drinker for saying Loki sucks. "Outside time and space" and "Rebirth" was the central point of CW's TV superhero Crossover event too. And EFAP tore that to shreds too. Not comparing CW to Disney, but my point is that EFAP is consistent when it comes to the concept and mechanics and the content. The whole "EFAP is MCU shills / MCU haters" is mind blowing.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 I'm not surprised. Some people will defend anything if it is appealing on the surface to any extent. It's sad that the talent (actors, special effects, sound people and so on) so often do good work and get used as shields for terrible hack writers and directors.
@@theraven268 I watch Hollywood things like MCU because the content in my native language is really really bad, extremely lazy uninspired. But nowadays MCU feels like same with a higher budget and it is extremely annoying. And judging by people's reactions I think it won't stop soon.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 i _am_ ok with the concept of "outside time and space" because I just assume _something_ that isn't time or space exists. We just can't realistically comprehend it with. The same way we can't expect a 1 dimensional being understand the concept of 3 dimensions. You just have to make it work. Seried like Loki or the CW ones just throw you these words without actually making sense of them.
@@denkerbosu3551 except to say “outside” of space is by definition a contradiction, as space contains every location. Outside of Space may not be a logical concept to begin with. Additionally, saying that there “is” something outside space and time is to say that something “exists” outside of space and time, and since existence is commonly defined as having location or extension in spacetime, this is another contradiction. I am fine with the idea that things can exist outside of our local presentation of spacetime, but to say they exist out of all space and all time is quite likely by definition impossible.
Kang: Remember when your realm was attacked by Odin and he kidnapped you from your family, the Giants? It was me, Loki… I made you an Asgardian so you’d be forced to kill your father so you’d become a sad orphan 😈
If Sylvie was never a thing, Loki was actually trying to deceive the TVA, and he was the one who actually breaks the universe, then this would be a better show. With less sitting and talking of course. Plus I'm tired of seeing half the people I watch praise the show like it's the best thing ever to come out of Marvel in the last 10 years or something.
I feel its that way with everything else too, not just movies. Its like watching folk actively rolling around in shit and seem happy about it. So, fuck me I guess.
@Hamaa7 yes but the people I'm talking about specifically hasn't praised everything and has some negative things to say in movies such as Captain Marvel, FFH, and Black Panther, how the WV finale ruined the majority of the show, and how FATWS wasn't that spectacular. I think a lot of people are confusing good acting from Tom Hiddleston (even though he was reduced to being Sylvie's little bitch), good graphics, and liking Owen Wilson with the actual show being good when it isn't. I wasted 6 Wednesday mornings on this shit and I fell asleep on episodes 2,3, and 4 just to see way more positive reviews on this show then it deserves. This was Space Jam 2 before Space Jam 2 came out.
@@Wonderlandhype I find this to happen quite often. At some people purposefully ignore the woke non-sense and incoherent writing just to "turn off their brain and enjoy" This defeatist attitude comes after seeing so much of it. Normal people can just go back to watch shows and movies and media in general from before all of this happened, but some youtubers and influencers _havw_ to cover the newest title, so they give their brain no choice but to turn off. Its probably more common to find people that shat on Star Trek Discovery suddenly praising its newest season rather than go back and re-review the old, better series.
Is loki even a frost giant anymore? He gets cold at one point and his skin color is maintained by magic. When hes taken to the TVA where magic doesnt work hes still human colored. He should have turned blue the moment he was taken to the TVA.
Part of me expected the Lokis to find Kevin Feige at the end of time, because some of the mechanics of the show make a lot more sense if the Time Keeper(s) is just the writer(s), director, or producer.
No, no. MCU's meta ends at "Russian Harbey Weinsten". At this point I'm waiting for Rhodey to give a speech about Hope, Capital H. That will be the Obama meta.🤪🤪
When they talk about moving borders with a phone call I immediately remember how pissed Zemo is about what happened to Sokovia. I imagine there are billions more people out there who would also be pissed if their country was just gone or moved and their whole lives got changed because of it. Even if nothing changed, people are gonna be like WTF. It baffles me that the writers think that so many people would be on the terrorist's side. It's not like they're really even doing anything but giving resources to different people than they were originally going to. And all of them need it. They should just be pissing off as many or more people than they're helping.
To bolster your point, arbitrarily moving borders on a whim in this manner was what created the current situation in the Middle East. Various peoples of various conflicting backgrounds with centuries of history were shifted around and their land taken and changed at the whim of global powers at the time. This arbitrary movement wouldn’t solve anything; if anything, it would create way more problems for the entire world than it would ever solve
This could have been a lot simpler by having all the time travel been done by Kang himself trying to repair the damage the Avengers did and he happened to take Loki because he was a loose end. Then you could go from there.
Agreed. Have it so Kang is irritated by what the Avengers do in Endgame. The order is upset. He now sets out to "manage" one of those timelines and shit goes sideways. This could've been a great What If series in itself. Have all 2012 avengers get screwed. Also, what we got with Loki is akin to Rise of Skywalker. Palpy enlists Kylo to kill Rey, but then he's trying to hide out until he can destroy the universe/resistance in 16 hours. Kylo ends up turning good and Rey and Kylo emd up on Palpy's doorstep (not what Palpy asked for fifteen minutes ago) but somehow, SOMEHOW, "everything is going exactly as I (Palpy) planned". I aaaallllwaayys wanted you here Reeey, my grandbaby. Wtf?!
@@valentinegonsalves7322 what I find is a good idea with time travel is to keep it simple and somewhat vague. They originally screwed this up in Endgame. Just have one timeline and Kang needs to maintain it to ensure his empire in the future. Also cut the quirky bs Kang should be a time traveling Alexander the Great.
@@BalrogUdun "Just have one timeline and Kang needs to maintain it to ensure his empire in the future." ... That's literally what they did, tho? We just met him when he was so bored with being so powerful that he was willing to give up his power or die. He's "quirky" because when we first meet him he's not "Kang the Conqueror" anymore, he's "Kang the Already Conquered Everything", and millions of years of being in power has turned him into a senile old coot. Loki was shit, but episode 6 was probably the best villain introduction in the entire MCU (already a low bar with how many forgettable and boring villains there are).
@@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786 he exists out of time so he doesn’t age anymore the concept of perceiving time should be removed for him. He controls the outcome of reality and he’s he’s just a silly person is infuriating he needs an appearance of importance that matches his responsibility. Also the whole premise is idiotic a guy who is so committed to his job he’s murdered countless people for arbitrary offenses so he can remove free will suddenly decides eh screw it and wants to hand the reigns over to a god of chaos. It’s stupid on every level.
@@BalrogUdun Even as a genius who won a war against countless versions of himself and now exists out of time, he's still a human. And human minds aren't meant to contain what is, from his perspective, millions of years of information and experiences. It makes sense that he's basically a senile old man who now wants to retire, not the self-serious, villainous warlord which he probably will be in the next Ant-Man. It's also a pretty clear misdirect in retrospect, playing to the more recent trope of "ditzy, friendly villain" and then subverting that instead of making him generic, stoic authoritarian villain #6503 right off the bat. Do you even remember the scene the villain of Guardians of the Galaxy (I don't even remember his name) was introduced, or even the first scene Thanos was seen onscreen before Infinity War? Can bet you don't. You're way oversimplifying his motivations (and also getting them wrong), he's not just committed to "a job," he's committed to ensuring his and only his existence. Contrary to what every other dumb take in this comments section believes, he didn't remove free will. Every event in the MCU didn't just occur because he arbitrarily decided it, he's just protecting the version of events that _he_ came from, the version of history that eventually results in that version of Kang. It's just that by the time we meet him at the end of Loki, he's decided he wants to quit. He's bored by being a god and took the opportunity of the Lokis showing up to peace out. Either way, it really doesn't matter to him. Another Kang will win and do what he did again to ensure that _that_ Kang is the only one left again. I don't understand how a character can literally give their backstory, motivations, and purpose in the story in the dryest exposition possible and people somehow still get it completely wrong. Loki is a terrible show with a lot of bad writing, but if you got as far as the end, I'd expect you to at least have an attention span.
So here's what I wonder...why _didn't_ Loki take back infinity stones when doing the break-in? They don't work _in_ the TVA sure, but they definitely work _outside_ of it. Just take a time and space stone, leave the TVA, and now they can never catch you. We know that the TVA personnel _are_ effected by magic and such outside of the TVA, because mind control and all that. Honestly I don't know why I'm asking questions the whole show is a mess.
@@Chugargonfan Even so, he may as well of just grabbed each of them there since he knows at least _one_ of them is from his own universe. Even if it's just space, having just the one infinity stone would have helped him immensely in the series.
@@hiddenbutdeadly I'm not entirely sure, but I think he would be able to. If we go by other examples in the movies, certain powerful characters are capable of handling their power, and since Asgardians are effectively gods (with frost giants assumed to be somewhat on par) I'd imagine it'd be the same. On top of that, I seem to recall that the power stone is the only one that we've seen cause real problems with direct contact, which makes sense given it's just raw unlimited power manifest. Something more 'mundane' like the teleportation of the space stone seems like it would be more manageable. Consider as an example Thor: Dark World, where what's-her-face had the...mind? Reality?... Stone contained inside of her and didn't die or anything of the sort. Third, if all else fails we've seen characters before simply smack an infinity stone into some kind of tool or other device to act as a proxy. The Infinity Gauntlet was needed to use all of them at once, sure, but one stone on its own? We've seen that pulled off far more easily.
2:50:30 I think this is the point Scorsese was trying to make. Not that all comic movies do this but the bulk of them are action-comedy with big CGI battles but poor plot, character, world building etc. It really is closer to a theme park ride than quality cinema and story telling.
Yea I agree. I was on board with what Scorsese said because it’s more along the the lines of “well, what do you expect”. And I do think his statement was misinterpreted. The MCU is not a self contained work of fiction where there’s a thematic point that’s structurally reinforced through plot, character, and world building. Most of the marvel movies do have a thematic point to it if you view them as their own self contained story, but the overarching story suffers because as your trying to piece it all together, you end up wondering what the point is, if that makes any sense.
What I took away from this is that the 'U' part of 'MCU' is now so fundamentally broken that it's virtually impossible to have a conversation about it that makes any sense. The 'C' had already been thrown away thanks to Disney+. Who wants to bet on how long the 'M' will last?
All 4 parts of phase 4 so far have only one theme in common: Free Will. Something every MCU writer wants to preach about but has not idea what it is and how it works and why it is important. WandaVision: If you're sad its okay to take away people's free will and create your own fake reality that you can enslave them to. FATWS: Even when people are good, scold them for not being better. They have free will, so they can move borders with a phone call. Yeah. Use your free will to reject all the good people did for you, including your friends. Because they could've done better. How? I don't know. I just took my stuff. Free will. Hah! Loki: Fuck Free Will. People are too dumb. Can't trust them. And oh, its important. But its stupid. Black Widow: Lets kill the guy who enslaved women with mind control, but let the woman who helped him go. Because whatever she is, she is my mommy. (Wonder Woman did this shit with Dr Poison). These writers belong on a podcast. Some of them are just podcasters. That's where they belong.
I originally walked away from the Loki series thinking it was just ok. I knew it was flawed, but this discussion helped me see just how many layers of flaws there are. Although I was aware from episode one that this is not Loki. This one is some watered down version of him. These long breakdowns and discussions are helping me be more aware and critical of what I watch, which I appreciate. I enjoy having a better understanding of what makes a logical and good story.
@@aisnota5192 Please speak to Human Resources and fill out the appropriate Butt-Hurt Report. When you're done, please take the time to self-reflect and realize you completely misconstrued a comment about bad writing as a personal attack. Furthermore, please take the time to reflect on the fact that you're wasting your own time getting offended by something that a stranger said on the internet.
@@LoreChaplain Oh I'm sorry. I had no idea you had the medical condition of "HAVING A STICK UP YOUR ASS". You might want to get that looked at since you talk put of that thing!
@@mykr0324 lol I wasn't sure either at first. Judging from the second response, I'm guessing they were actually serious. If they're that easily offended I question what they're doing watching an EFAP video in the first place.
I doubt fringy will ever see this, but pigs are vicious little beasts. If someone were to fall in the pig pen and get severely injured, there is a good chance the pigs will turn around and try to kill and eat them. They are omnivores and extremely opportunistic, which is why Dorothy's family freak out when she is playing around the pig pen in the Wizard of Oz. On the point of cattle, they are only ever docile because we make them docile. A heifer or bull can easily break bones, and heifers would often do so when being milked. Even if the farmer was super caring, it doesn't matter, the cow will get a cow idea and go for a kick. We seriously have forgotten that these are still animals, and most domesticated animals are not like dogs and cats.
Nonsense, pigs are not vicious. You're thinking of boars. Yeah, cause no cats or dogs are ever 'vicious'. Don't excuse your animal abuse by saying all other animals are violent except cats and dogs, just absurd.
@@akashajones6079 Pigs and boars are the same animals. A pig will fully revert to being a boar after just a couple generations in the wild. I didn't say that cats and dogs are never violent. I was pointing out that they are domesticated to the point of being companions, whereas farm animals are domesticated to be livestock. This will result in one being far more likely to attack you than the other. Justifying animal abuse? What are you going on about?
The right way to do kang would be like the main Evil in wheel of time. He’s almost the personification of erosion, that brutal crushing feeling of loss and the feeling of meaninglessness. Primal beings that live forever are not lighthearted, anyone who has lived would know this lmao
Rags raises an interesting question near the end of Midnight’s video when he asks why people hate Black Widow but love the Marvel shows, despite the fact that they’re all terrible. It can’t just be “consume product,” a preference for certain actors or blind acceptance as surely the same would apply to Black Widow what applies to Loki or WV or Falcon and the Racial Politics, yet there is this disconnect between people who enjoy the shows yet hate Black Widow. It’s hard to put into words but there is something deceptive about the shows that make people think they’re good whereas the bad Marvel movies are just bad. I think the best way to describe it is that the problems of Black Widow or Dark World are just obvious whereas the shows require a bit more thought to understand the issues. It’s a weird disconnect yet it is one that exists and shows people are capable of turning against bad content, they just won’t do it all the time for whatever strange reason.
Yeah WandaVision got me for awhile before I realized it wasn’t very good, it’s still better than the rest of the Marvel shows but that’s REALLY not saying much.
Maybe it's the format itself. Key jangling perhaps works more effectively in short bursts and the anticipation for what happens next episode might be JUST enough to keep the nonsense hidden behind the curtain. In a movie you have enough time to realise how much it sucks, and the constant action scenes aren't powerful enough to override the brain.
It might also be that most people still hold television to a much lower standard. I mean hell look at the CW, a vast sea of low budget, terribly written crap and yet they still pull in an audience that's willing to defend even the stupidest stuff you can think of (i.e. the Flash lightsaber fight.)
@@Nillcox85 what are you talking about that lightsaber fight is the greatest thing ever. It showed how much (little) care they put into it. I bet when Scorsese watched that and shed a tear knowing that all his films cannot compete to the mastery that was present before him.
I can't speak for others, but for me I think the answer is fandom. When I watch a show weekly, the spend that week online discussing theories, headcanons, ships and all that other stuff. The show almost becomes supplemental content in a way. With a movie, I watch it and the discussion is less creative and more critical. There's also the fact that it takes less time to consume in general. If I dislike a show, I typically don't watch the entire thing and give up. If I watch a bad movie, I typically stick with it and feel more justified complaining about something I've watched to completion. The shorter runtime also allows flaws to be more apparent. (Ex: Characters failing to communicate in a handful of episodes with episodes they don't, doesn't make that failure not a problem but it is less of one than in a movie where that takes up much more of the run time.)
There is a way to salvage this mess, retcon what happened in Loki as to being a fever dream that the God of Mischief was having while ruling in Asgard as Odin after drinking too much ale during a wild party. Problem solved, after all if the Mandarin can get retconned then so can this.
@@aisnota5192 Not really, it was all according to Kang’s design even right up to his death by Sylvie. In the grand scheme of things nothing mattered until Kang’s death, it was all predetermined and they had no free Will until that moment.
@@RogueFox2185 Okay. Listen. Kang is really smart, but he also is not a reliable source of information. I think he just let things happen when he found them interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if the timelines were deleted because he found them unsatisfying. Then you have the TVA who suck at their jobs. Remember Kang is in charge of the timeline. That's a really shitty and exhausting job. I bet there are a ton more variants we didn't see that either got away like Sylvie, or were too difficult to "melt". Not only that but he allowed Endgame to happen, which was doomed to cause problems. No, he's not in control of EVERYTHING.
1:57:00 It's basically Batwoman level writing again where you introduce a character or plot point only to dispose of it in that episode or the very next one and then forgotten. Rinse and repeat, nothing matters.
@@LegacyComics100 Well yes, but if you want to tell a relatively narratively complex story with lots of solid character writing, and integrated themes that are successfully supported by the writing itself, it’s actually quite difficult to write something completely airtight. That difficulty level is what separates the good writers from the bad; those who are willing to spend heaps of time and energy going over their work and making sure everything that CAN line up, lines up. From watching Loki, I wouldn’t be surprised if all of the scripts were first-draft.
@@onnixcarmichele3911 the scripts for Loki I feel like are worse than even the average first-draft script. We need a new name for it, how about no-draft?
This is kinda random, but why do people think Django Unchained is good? The plot is entirely run by contrivance, and the German doctor guy assassinating the plantation owner and screwing over Django was super out of character. And DiCaprio's sister getting killed for no reason was pretty bad. Inglorious Basterds is pretty well-written, I just am very uncomfortable with the main characters. They are extremely cruel toward German soldiers who are probably just there to defend their country and one is probably a young conscript. "The army was volunteer only" well, when everyone is volunteering, and actual German territory is getting invaded, it's not the same as volunteering in let's say, the US today. Seems like Tarantino thinks that whoever he decides is the big bad can anything happen to them and it is somehow justified.
@@sammerry7706 I feel he was a bit off on the last episode with full fat, but here Rags is great too. Fringy just stood out to me, even b4 superchat portion
You HAVE seen this before. Phase four so far has been untethered. And its clear the writers don't want the "burden" of being tied to any universe, be that movies or comics... Remind you of anyone else? The names Kennedy and Rian Roundhead come to mind?🤪🤪
One thing I didn't get is the time loop where Loki gets hit in the nuts repeatedly. Is that a hologram, or have they just got variants in this endless, torturous loop, like is she a person who's in this weird purgatory forever until she's needed to kick him in the nuts. Never explained
And the fact that she knees him in the balls every time no matter what he says or does tells me that she is not making her own decisions. Someone creating a time loop is weird, but adding a sentient being as a part of the time loop, not one experiencing it, complicates it so much
Comparing the MCU Disney shows is like a gymnastics competition where everybody tries to do complex maneuvers only to end up landing on their faces. Then comes Hawkeye, it just jumps three times and nothing else, and it wins because everyone else is kissing the floor. In the case of Loki it not only manages to break it's own neck and die, it almost purposefully injures the rest of the contestants on it's way down.
Fun Fact: Masters of the Universe was the most successful toy brand in the mid 1980s. Until they scaled back the focus on He-Man slightly, and then increased the focus on She-Ra, and the whole ball of wax completely collapsed. (Midnight's Edge has some videos on the topic) There's a saying about those who don't learn from history.
The Defenders could've been a great show. They had all the characters already established and they had like 8 hours to work with. But they decided to use all of them as one very long origin story. The origin of nothing, as it turns out. Imagine if they had managed to contain the origin story of this group to _just_ the first 2 episodes, then used the rest to tell a decent story about the benefits and drawbacks of being a part of a team. A little time skip of 3 or 4 months, the group dynamics have been established and the press has noticed them working together and given them their name. And _then_ Stick shows up to tell 'em about evil Sigourney Weaver (who eventually goes on to actually do something impressive as opposed to just "subverting our expectations" and dropping dead) ... maybe?
I don't dislike it, it was the biggest problem that they take to long to get together. But I do think you need to set up the bad guy in the first episode and also establish that they're evil.
You want to know who did a multiverse better than Loki, Men in Black 3. While it's not a multiverse strictly speaking, the character of Griffin is an alien who is capable of seeing all possible timelines simultaneously. He walks the MiB through a Dodgers game where the Dodgers made an unbelievable comeback and how things had to happen just so in order for that to happen while at the same time he's able to see what would happen if everything didn't play out just in the way they did. And at the end of the movie, he watches as K and J leave a diner and K initially doesn't leave a tip, so he sees the imminent destruction of Earth by a meteor coming because K didn't leave that tip, yet at the last moment K walks back in and realizes he forgot to leave a tip and does so, and the meteor impacts a satellite and the Earth is safe. THAT is a really clever way of bringing a multiverse into play without twisting it into some kind of "no free will" situation like what Marvel did with Kang, a character can see the variances in the timelines, the limitless possibilities. and is just amazed by them and fascinated as to how it's going to actually play out right in front of his eyes.
I don’t mean this in any condescending way, but I genuinely want to see y’all make a story since the ways y’all try to fix what y’all are covering is many times more interesting than what actually happened in the movie/show. I feel like y’all would come up with something much better than what Disney and marvel are coming out with now
Almost every single one of these host has their own channel and projects. Many have long format videos. Shadiverseity youtube channel is a treasure. Drinker has his own set of books. They are all creators and even if they never created anything their criticism is no less valid
my bestie and her bf recently watched Loki. me and bestie were longtime fans of the MCU and the character so every second of the show was pure torture for us her bf doesn’t really care for the MCU, he hasn’t seen all the movies and probably can’t even name all the major characters. he loved the show this should tell you something about what kind of folks the majority of the show’s fans are
Exactly! The old fans of MCU and Loki don't like the show, because Loki is really OOC and the shows makes fun of everything we already know. Normies who have seen just a few movies they love the show, they don't overthink what it all means.
I'm a longtime MCU viewer, and I've watched all the shows, including Agents of SHIELD. I've watched all the movies at least three times. I liked Loki. I think you people take this universe too seriously. Most movies are kinda weak, and they're mostly popcorn fare. If you start over thinking them, most fall apart very easily. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. In this way, I think you are very similar to Scorsese - he also takes them too seriously.
@@JustGrowingUp84 that’s technically good advice. the thing is, whether you connect with media isn’t always up to you I liked Loki as a character because his backstory was so well done that it resonated with me on a personal level (I come from a similar family situation). that’s what happens when art is made with quality in mind, there’s a higher chance the audience will connect with it and I’d argue a lot of marvel’s films up to phase 4 had that. it’s why so many people cried while watching Tony’s funeral on a basic level, yeah, all of these movies and series have a superficial ability to entertain. but not all of them can offer something more. you can turn off your brain to ignore plot holes but you can’t turn off your response to a beloved character being decimated by bad writing. and again, it’s not your choice whether you connect with that character in the first place
So why did the TVA wait to prune Female Loki when she was a kid? Wouldn't they nuke that timeline as soon as the her Frost Giant parents gave birth to her? Or, say, Odin takes the wrong kid to raise as his own?
It's all arbitrary, it could be because she sneezed and created a branch that shouldn't exist. Also, the twist at the end kind of implies it was done so she take over the TVA with Loki.
@@kevinzhang6623but isn’t she already a variant the moment she gets xx chromosomes? “true timeline” loki is always a man, isn’t he? i’m not trying to be rude or anything, i just genuinely don’t understand
The reveal of Sylvie is probably the most emblematic example of modern cinema. They built this second Loki up as this big mystery, and the big reveal is just that the second Loki is female. It's not a second Loki that beat the Avengers; or a second Loki that inherited the thrown from Odin; or even a future version of the same Loki. Nah, it's a Loki with boobs. You don't get a second Loki that would actually have a meaningful impact on the main Loki. You get an 'inclusive' Loki.
1:49:11 All I can think of is that Spaceballs scene... "When does THIS happen in the movie?" when they are doing the Loki... this is your life... segment... The only to redeem ANY of this show is for THIS Loki, at the end of season two, to grab the Tesseract and take Endgame Loki's place... therefore sacrificing himself for a noble cause and allowing the Endgame Loki, who he knows is a better version of himself, survive...
What if the first draft of the finale’s script was to reveal Mickey Mouse, and this entire show was written as an elaborate, meta commentary on the lack of creative writing free will after Disney bought Marvel. And then - even more meta - this version of the finale is deemed a dangerous variant of the script, and is pruned from the writing room.
the multiversal war did make more sense to me after they revealed it was one guy. He would jump into places and clip entire branches, his universe, ie him, destroying millions of others to avoid certain events. Made more sense than the cartoon of timelines banging against each other like giraffe necks anyway
I think you guys nailed it pretty well - these days it's all about characters doing stuff, with little to no regard to any consequences to the MCU as a whole. And it would seem that most people don't care - they just want to see their favorite characters doing stuff (looking at you, Angry Joe).
What people seem to be missing as well is why do they kidnap these people in Loki if the grenades send the world back? They'd just need to activate the grenade and he'd be sent back with the world wouldnt he?
People have survived for extended periods of time after being pruned. If they want them to die, why doesn't pruning teleport them into a black hole? Or just ACTUALLY disintegrate them!? The twist is pruning isn't instant death, it's teleporting them somewhere TO DIE, but WHY!?
"pirates of the caribbean has an awesome soundtrack" proceeds to hum a mashup of elder scrolls and pirates instead of the actual pirates soundtrack never change frogny
When Mauler said that people remember a different show than they actually watched, it reminded me of a weird experience as a kid watching the Spiderwick Chronicles movie. I was disappointed but then had a crazy dream and was convinced that I hadn’t finished the movie. My parents literally rented it for a second week until I had time to watch just for me to realize I had already watched the entire movie and all the cool scenes I remembered were all in my head.
@@TheSlammurai I think it's more the fact that pretty much everyone has some good takes even if a metric ton of terrible ones spew out. Usually they'll put more effort into the communication of their actually based takes
I'm pretty certain that if we put a ceiling on the number of times Rags' could stack up "aaand..." qualifiers to his every argument or analogy, EFAP vids would only be about half as long.
4:37:00 I'm fucking salivating for that kind of twist, or sage, kind of like searching for this deity character and instead finding a withered husk of man. Flesh worn down by fate and control. Eaten up by the desire/ purpose to avoid what happens when the Time War comes undone.
4:35:07 Hell... they could have stole from Kubrick and have the Kang guy shift through different ages while they are talking to him... because he has been there so long his body is no longer attached to linear time... young Kang... elderly Kang... middle age Kang...
The only way that I can imagine that there can be stakes for our current cast of avengers who are essentially indestructible due to either being vibranium or powers transferred from the infinity stones is for them to be depowered through plot or just to be written in a way that nerfs their powers. Otherwise, it's the equivalent of starting a game where you start out at level 10000 and the enemies are all level 5 at most
yup, the mcu suffers from power creep just like dragon ball or naruto. interestingly towards the beginning of the mcu the writers were aware of this problem so they really nerfed certain characters such as hulk, hell even wanda was essentially a glass cannon despite getting her powers from an infinity stone , but as they kept introducing new characters and villains they kept making them more and more powerful to raise the stakes
Can is just ask, what will happen if Thanos after snapping half of the earth population dont destroy the gauntlet and goes on a rampage? I have a hard time to imagine that some TVA dude comes up to him and say, "NOUGH you were not supposed to do that" ... like come on writters.... think about these scenarios that now we suppose to accept blindly....
Seriously, they never address how humans in body armor without projectile weapons could take down someone more powerful than them. Well, I guess they show that they can take down Loki, but only because his character and power level changed because plot. It's established that infinity stones and magic don't work within the TVA, and so we can assume that that applies to all sorts of powers and possibly technologies. But outside of the TVA, they don't stand a chance against Thanos, Thor, black widow (who has guns), Hawkeye (who has a bow and arrow), Connor McGregor, me in a car, etc. Why in the world would can recruit human variants, of all the different variants he could use?
@@jeremiahsagers135 Imagine that TVA officer lady who was babysitting Loki, came up against Ronan with the power stone after he managed to destroy Xendar.....those TVA idiots couldnt even touch him xd Same applies to the Civil War Winter Soldier, if he kills Cap, and the TVA comes for him, he would be more than capable of disarm every one of them. If i understand it correctly these TVA guys are just some blokes who were probably bartenders, pilots, housewifes etc etc... not soldiers or officers with special training , and you cant just inplant martial art skills into them to be able to defend themself......
In response to 10:02:35, I believe you guys are referring to the cold snap that happened and, due to corruption and no real enforcement of cold weather proofing various things, a lot of Texas went without power and water for a good while. But Texas does have a lot of green energy, people in charge just cheaped out on cold weather proofing things which made the whole situation a national embarrassment for the state and forced a state of emergency to be declared.
"Green energy" was half the problem The wind turbines froze And we all know why the media decided to focus on Texas, but it happened almost everywhere else too and half of California is currently in another blackout yes another one but the media is completely silent about it
55:18 Soooo... according to this NEW logic... Kang would be controlling Dreykov's everyday actions... who in turn, is controlling all the Black Widow's everyday actions... So, Yelena murdered someone who was as innocent of their crimes as the Black Widows were of theirs?
About an hour in and I want to know if they talked about the fact that in endgame, the sorcerer supreme talked about how taking an infinity stone out of a timeline will doom that reality but they've taken multiple infinity stones outside of multiple realities and they don't seem to be bothered about it.
@@darthdragonborn1552 Does resetting the reality mean that they make an infinity stone out of thin air or do they actually leave realities behind with none of the stones? If it's the former, that's insane. If it's the latter, then that reality is doomed.
One year later, this cosmic fuckery has had no effect on absolutely anything following it at all. Where the fuck were the TVA in Multiverse of Madness by the way? How were all those alternate Earths allowed to exist? None of them led to the Multiversal War? Did Kang know about the Dark Hold and the Book of Deus Ex? I feel like THOSE would lead to *some* sort of conflict.
So the guys I have talked to that really like Loki are the same guys who never liked him in the movies because they perceived him as that cool mean guy at school. I find that fascinating because it's almost like they're enjoying his downfall into mediocrity. I have always been a Loki fan for his quick wit and turn of phrase and I didn't make it through the first episode
That is the most hilarious take I've heard. It'd be like me saying I don't like the Riddler because he's like the pretentious kid in literature class who only talks in poetry and rhymes. Or me saying Thor is rubbish because I like Static Shock. I'm not surprised though. Its like everyone's gotten so pretentious that it is insane to accept a character is pure evil by nature. Everyone needs some half-assed excuse to justify. The God of Mischief isn't breaking other people's sandcastles because "the wind knocked his over". He does it because he likes watching people react to his actions. Its pleasurable to him, and he wants to see how far he can take it.
And they are SO WRONG as well, Loki was never 'that cool mean guy at school' he was always in Thor's shadows, despite being so much clever than Thor everyone always preferred Thor and Loki was always ignored and bullied.
So even if these fixes were made, what we’d be left with is Loki becoming a true god by doing this existential breakdown and pulling a Joker by simply letting chaos happen in the form of “Free will” becoming present But all that would still mean is the writers using this as a complete excuse to just do whatever they want to keep the media alive. That “What if.....” show, Various art styles, comedy shows like DC’s Harley Quinn, etc. Basically it would all be like DEADPOOL was the one writing everything instead (Hell maybe He should have been where Loki is even) The same self deprecation and “self awareness” MCU and DC have been doing to excuse their poor writings and any semblance of grounding. All just so fans will say how “Creative, smart, emotional, etc” it all is and all explained because of LOKI (Or Deadpool as I brought up)
See with endgame, I was under the impression that when cap traveled back it created an alternate timeline and cap lived out his life in that alternate timeline and came back. Now the writers of endgame and Loki have thrown that out
I had almost all of the Calvin and Hobbes books as a kid/teen, but my favorite books were the ones with Bill Watterson's commentary. In one comic, Hobbes tells Calvin a bunch of BS about his parents and Calvin goes to his mom to ask if any of it was true. The comic was just kinda silly, but the commentary underneath gave me a good laugh: "Some people felt that I was maligning adoption by putting alongside cannibalism and sIavery." Remember when it was ok to tell outraged people to calm down and not take everything so literally? Good times.
@The Rotten💯 Doesn't that make you dependent on them for entertainment? And let's be honest; you can offend anybody if you know where to aim, chorfs aren't all that special, they just feel very safe in their big echo chambers and are pretty easy pickings once they wander out of it.
People mocked Martin Scorsese when he said that the MCU is a theme park and not cinema. Every day that passes that statement becomes even more true though.
Back again. Control is also great, one of the best single player games I've played up until the end in a long while. Was apprehensive at first but it's a really cool concept.
1:10:03 From what I understand listening to this video and having seen through episode 4 of Loki (I don’t really care about spoilers for this show) Kang can’t directly control someone but since there are infinite realities he can just prune all the realities that don’t have someone complete the exact action he wants them to and we are just watching that exact timeline. Like the endless monkey theory. Eventually they can write Shakespeare. With enough realities eventually Kang can find the exact sequence of events that he wants. Yeah so far it seems like the Time Nazis are the greatest threat in the MCU and that everything so far and going forward (assuming they don’t destroy the TVA by the end of this) is Kang’s puppet show AKA the “Sacred Timeline”. It’s going to be hard to take any threat seriously with this group around.
Ironically, what Kang should have been like is what the Architect in The Matrix was like. Very dry and bored characteristics and a profound, complex and confusing speech style.
Drinker: Captain Marvel 2 will be protected to the high heavens. That movie will make money no matter what they have to do to make that happen. The Marvels 2023: 186 million to 350 million budget. Guess it wasn’t protected enough 😅
I am around 1:37:00, the way I understood it from the show was the old Loki variant timeline was dealt with within the limit but he himself survived, probably like the lady Loki did all that time. The issue then arrises with how can a timeline not exist anymore while the person responsible for creating it does. Second, the bombs creating timelines. My understanding was that if you bomb a branch timeline, it resets. But if you bomb the sacred timeline it has nothing to "reset against" so it launches a new timeline due to a paradox or something.
"How do you make a Deadpool movie when you're Disney?" Fringydamus foresaw the trainwreck of Deadpool and Wolverine three years ago, meanwhile most of the FNT crew are still on 24/7 copium treatments to convince themselves it was acceptable.
Kang discovering the existence of the multiverse and then in his lifetime becoming the grand architect of all reality would be like the guy who discovered germs curing every disease before he died
Timestamps:
0:00 - Awake, cancelled after one season
- He-Man Reboot/ Sylvie's stolen name
4:56 - Rick and Morty new season
8:57 - Guest Intro /Media pain
17:59 - How the MCU really began
- The Multiversal war, amazing worldbuilding
27:15 - Weaponization/ The writer's experience
- 'Remember X?'
39:13 - Kang in the comics
46:44 - >Critical Drinker Arrives
- The first episode/ Loki competence
57:10 - Power of Reset Charges/ Rules of Time Travel
1:07:02 - Kang planned it all, everything
1:13:18 - TVA competence
- Character assassination of Loki & Black Widow
1:24:29 - Variant trials
- Branching timelines, power of love
1:31:52 - 'Hiding in apocalypses'/ Variant Kangs
- TVA tech
1:46:31 - Effect of seeing your future
- How Loki's story ended
1:55:27 - Future Big Bads
1:58:52 - Loki's inconsistent power
- Time travel rules/ Variant pruning
2:07:52 - Best part of the show, 'Richard E. Grant'
- More Loki character assassination/ Wasted time
2:18:28 - TVA misusing it's weapons
- glorious porpoise
2:25:17 - The choice at the end of Loki
- Changed TVA/ Kang's actor
2:39:32 - Breaking the stakes, soon to be forgotten
- Hiding bad writing
2:57:19 - The Writers & Directors
- New priorities/ New shows
3:10:28 - >Kevin Smith's livestream/ He-Man
- What might cause change?
3:21:33 - Marvel & superhero fatigue
- Superhero as a genre
3:34:40 - >Shadiversity Leaves
3:38:40 - Video Starts/ 'Loki is Exactly what marvel needed'
- 'I wish there was more of it'
3:47:42 - 'Downsized version of what we get on the movies'
- Stakes: 'Incredibly huge & Personal'
3:57:07 - Different reactions, 'finale felt earned'
- Not saying anything
3:57:07 - 'Mobius' actor did his job' [wow]
4:21:05 - Judged by what it sets up
4:27:14 - >'Jonathan Majors got me more excited than anything they did with Thanos'
- What Kang could've been
4:51:53 - 'This is what marvel needed'
- What there is to look forward
4:58:40 - >Critical Drinker leaves
- 'MCU needed a concrete direction'[...] 'and this is it'
5:08:17 - Sponsor segment: 'He used the Ad to facilitate more Ads'
/ Video Ends
5:20:04 - TH-camr playing a characters/ GoT's Fall
5:27:57 -> HeelvsBabyface & Nerdrotic Leave/ Thoughts on Activision Blizzard
5:32:02 - Superchats Start
[Superchat timestamps will be in the reply to this comment (when finished)]
10:50:28 - End of Stream Announcements
- Fringy's video Monday[Today!]
- Wednesday Superchat catchup stream
- Saturday EFAP
5:32:02 - Superchats Start
- Phantom Menace/ Done with Loki/ Activision Blizzard investigation/ Max0r/ Baby girl/ R&M EFAP?
5:39:38 - >Az Returns with update on Kevin Smith's livestream
- On EFAPs explanation why Rick & Morty is funny/ Cosmonout's Loving Video/ Ancient philosophers
- Kong EFAP?/ Cosmoronic/ Dialogue in Loki
5:55:15 - Seamen/ Reaction streams/ Pirates of the Caribbean/ Loki in Infinity War/ Theology of Superman
- EFAP Movies rec./ Product of it's time/ Dark Souls 3/ Kang v Kang
6:07:55 - Dating (& general) advice/ king Arthur's lance/ Real Australian/ New He-Man/ We/ Loki's legacy & the slow loss of Characters
6:16:35 - Classic Movies/ Wolf on #150? (no)/ Daredevil's return/ FNT/ Task Manager's skills/ Fixing previous writing
6:25:22 - Toxoplasma/ jackie chan stuntmaster/ Loki S2/ Stargate SG1/ Comparisons/ Thanos
- Why "Midnight" (Dr. Who Ep.) is great/ American Colonial Fantasy story/ Best Superhero cartoon/ G+G Raid/ Rick & Morty/ Fringe show
6:38:49 - Kang is Rick/ Alioth/ Movies that are 8+
- Ever get tired of superchats?/ Gloo/ EFAP Movies Classic/ Suicide Squad/ Best DCEU/ Mary Sue Characters
6:53:52 - ATLA Army incompetence/ Inspiration/ Woke Marvel/ Move to Chicago/ CoD/ R A /Activities
- /Fringy's Paintball story/ Luke Kang/ Bodyguard/ Metal's Fall Guys stream/ Press F for respect/ coffeezilla
7:05:36 - Sounds like Sargon? Accents/ Bandit inc./ Eternals/ Pitch meeting /Escapist Channel & lost shows
7:20:03 - Kang did it/ Loki characters/BW Writers/ Focus on Kang/ Movie Bob Fat/ Steam/ He-Man Remake/ Dark Kang
- Marcus on #150?/ No Wow/ Fringy Balls above?/ Richard's family tree/ Loki's Inaction
7:30:15 - FMK Chaseface, Aladdin(Cruella), Gaston(Jaffar)/ Lion King 2 & Animated Disney
7:44:50 - >Metalcommander leaves/ More animated Disney Movies /Loki writers destroying the MCU
- / Atlantis Critic score/ God of simps/ FMK Mauler, Mewbschlie, Mooler/ Beat Loki/ Prydain Chronicles sword/ Why Sylvie?
7:59:49 - ‘No bad movies/ Troom Troom/ On Cosmonaut/ Kang’s actor
8:03:33 - Uh... /Step-Rags /GoW Loki /How Zeus should look /Art-deco & DC cities/ Life & Living philosophy
8:22:03 - Social consequence & unsayable things/ TVA rules/ Male centric hero's journey?
- Not so great debate guy/ Reverse time collar/ Clownfish/ Kevin Smith is/ Why capture variants?
8:34:06 - MCU's first flop?/ EFAP Main source of entertainment/ Future of media/ Upcoming SW shows
8:40:13 - An intervention/ Blerm/ Crosscode/ Meaningless
8:44:59 - Olympics/ Willow series/ Possible Loki ending
- BoJack/ Casual viewers effect/ fight scenes/ Loki Video/ Joker 2
9:01:09 - No way home leaks/ My soy senses/ Dead Space Remake/ Loki rating/ All Tomorrow's/ Video response theory
9:07:02 - Incredibles & other great Pixar movies/ disappointment in Toy Story 4 & Incredibles 2
9:33:19 - Mark Hamill/ He-Man/ Thanos & good villains/ Metal Gear Solid, Raiden
9:40:41 - Well wishes for Hex/ Spicy food/ Invincible/ TVA what is the point?/ Redwall series/ 1990s TMNT movie
- Road to El Dorado remake?/ Kevin Smith's livestream/ Road to- /Bob's Fat hat
9:55:14 - MI is better than Ark? American states/ Ralph Bakshi EFAP ark?/ Brotherhood of Essential Workers
10:10:35 - New question? Bear v Tiger discussion (& other matchups)/ (Melted) Wasp sting/ Sing ‘you guys are wrong’
- EFAP D&D/ Falling in Lava
10:26:38 - Mushrooms/ All-tism/ Chungus/ Balls above problems/ Princes Lea rumors
- Ease of TVA/ Store/ DS9/ Melted/ Afterlife/ RE Arc
10:36:29 - Why Mauler started watching Buffy/ Loki Rating
10:41:59 - Crude Penguin re-release?/ Bad Buffy takes/ Road to- /EFAP gaming suggestion/ Thoughts on Daria/ Life is beautiful
- Buffy spoilers/ A Na S Loki, FaWS, WV?
@@headmetwall you are ze god of the unlisted regime
Thank you for your service o7
My thanks
You sir are a true hero!
So Kang didn't want Falcon to get a loan.
I just find that so hilarious.
Well if Kang is supposed to be a meta Disney/MCU writer/CEO it means he represents just trying to keep the media alive by shelling out dialogue, lessons, self deprecation, and new straws to be destroyed or brought down for profit. And barely believing in anything he’s actually doing in any deep way, but simply to keep life of this “universe” going forever
Kang "Not Economically Viable" the Conqueror
So many loan officers turned into ash because they saw that an Avenger surely deserved a loan. Or informed him that he had lots of money from Tony Stark.
Kang is an asshole m'kay?
I told someone, who was excited that Kang was more Black representation, that Kang allowed slavery to happen. He had nothing.
1:50:29 That's right! Back in _Age of Ultron,_ Thor had brought a flask of Asgardian booze to the party at Avenger's Tower, and when Stan Lee's cameo character told him to share, Thor explicitly stated that this liquor "was not made for mortal men"; it's played off as a gag where Stan's character brushes it off saying "Neither was Omaha Beach, now pass it over!" only for the scene to cut to him being dragged off while slurring "Excelsior...!", but if Asgardian booze really *is* that potent, then Loki *shouldn't* have gotten drunk from whatever that airline was offering!
Isn't Stan Lee in the MCU cannotically a Watcher? Some super powerful immortal being? If he got drunk on asgardian liquor, it says a lot about how potent that shit really is.
@@corruptangel6793 at that point I think that was just fan speculation
@@corruptangel6793 There were more veterans in that scene all frozen silent in a drunken haze. Stan was the only one capable of speaking.
@@peanutgallery4 Pretty sure it was confirmed by James Gunn and Marvel in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, where his cameo is credited as "Watcher Informant" and he's been the same character this whole time just watching over the main players in the MCU for the Watchers.
Loki isnt a biological asgardian
Winter Soldier: It was Hydra all along... The Avengers: It was Thanos all along...
Wandavision: It was Agatha all along...
Black Widow: It was Dreykov's Widows all along...
Loki: It was the TVA--err--Space Lizards--err--Kang all along... *STAAAHP IT!*
Wait..... haven't I seen you before?
Technically it was Kang all along for all of them.
@@MorallyDubiousFrog Yeah, but I don't thing everything went exactly according to plan either.
I don’t understand this criticism really. Thanos and hyrda aren’t connected like at all. Hyrda was also never built up to be the big bad either. So this criticism makes like no sense
@@kevinnigins9488 it devalues the impact if you use it in your story too many times. Trying to outdo yourself in plot twists inevitably leads you into Jumping the shark and getting way in over your head trying to organize all the rules and story threads you are creating.
1:45:00 I compared the accelerated character development of Loki to something like a Christmas Carol. Scrooge couldn’t be shown Christmas future and gotten the character development he needed to change it took having to relive his past and the world around him first to grasp the future. You can’t just show someone the future and expect them to have a sudden character development on the spot.
You gotta *grow* from the past and then *act* in the present
2:13:40 "He's a frost giant. Damn it!" Thank you for that, Gary.
Also, just remembered Loki's anti-free will speech in Avengers 1. That seems to be the entirety of the writer's research on Loki.
They keep reusing that speech, it crops up in What if as well.
Apparently the writers didn't even watch the first Thor movie and I'd argue that's where 95% of Loki's characterization happened.
@@6thgraderfriendsSad really. 😪
This show’s Loki is the literal definition of
*“When you fight against a Boss vs When you play as a Boss”*
Perfect👌🏼
That doesn't apply to all games.
Ultimate marvel vs Capcom 3
Galactus
Metal gear Rex
Dark beast Ganon
Virgil dmc
Bowser in super Mario odyssey
And almost every arcade style racing game
@@oddballskull1941 the Rex scene in MGS4 was probably the best part of that game, or maybe any scene with Liquid Ocelot because he's just hilarious
Kang wanted EFAP crew to make this critique on the show
If EFAP had liked Loki series, they would've been melted. Except for Rags. He has a Glock. After Rags survives, he visits the Don, who exists beyond time and space. And EFAP is restored.
If you didnt post this comment you woulda been melted
@@MrAskmannen if I didnt reply to your reply to said comment, I would have been melted.
@@SirReefer OH NO! you just commented on a comment you weren't supposed to in the sacred timeline, they're gonna melt you! RUN!
Magic doesn't work in the TVA but Loki stays in his asgardian form and never reverts to his frost giant form
Wow I’d forgotten about that.
@@laughingseagull000 Don't worry, so did the writers.
@@guegaishthey didn’t forget they never watched Thor so they don’t even know who Loki is
@@laughingseagull000 That's what the executives are hoping for, becuase the writers forgot TOO.
Loki didn’t use magic to maintain his Asgardian form. Remember his very first appearance as an infant? He turns when Odin picks him up. Remember when we see him turn back? It’s not intentional there, either.
We can fix Loki. After the Hulk pummeled him back and forth he was in a coma and dreamed all of this crap. He wakes up in his cell in Asgard where he's at for the whole of Thor 2 and says "Damn, that was a weird dream."
This being a fever dream as a result from the hulks beating is the only way this could work, but they missed the opportunity they had to do so :(
Yes do a Dallas
Not a bad idea. The easiest solution, though, is to rewind to the episode where Loki is shown his life on film. Say that none of the subsequent episodes happened. It was all part of the TVA's attempt to get Loki onside. In fact the TVA are lying about their level of control. They use 60s tech because they actually are from the 60s and what few time powers we see were accidentally gifted by an as of yet unexplored time stone shenanigan or their own research or by a new superhero/villain that we haven't been introduced to yet.
Alternatively the TVA could have been founded by Loki himself and he is acting out an undercover boss scenario. Maybe he wants to obscure his real role at the TVA. Maybe he wants TVA agents to think they really are part of an all powerful organization, functionally immortal and predestined to do whatever it is they are being ordered to do.
Well...it's better than what's currently happening.
Dude. Let it go.
they turned the intelligent, strong, god of mischief into a doormat. how do these writers even get hired? how did anyone think this was a good idea? how are half the fans ok with this?
Yep. And when I point out he's changed and OOC in the show so many people come and tell me "it makes sense because he saw his future" like NO, you don't change drastically when you watch a video, your whole personality doesn't change, it was a rushed unnatural 'development'.
Probably because half of Loki's fans were not fans at all, but thirsty casuals. To them, all his other character traits be damned, he was just another "bad boy" with a pretty face for them to fantasize about changing and taming.
@@jakefrost7404 is that a bad thing, if they are atleast honest about that?
@@hexogramd8430 If they are honest, then of course not, they're free to like whatever they please. My beef are with those that try to sell me a cheap, lazy knock-off by claiming it to be a vintage original, and then get butt-hurt when they get called out on it.
Because they are brain dead corporate simps. The quality doesn't matter to them. It's just more content from their favourite franchise. They will lap it up no matter what.
Doctor Strange must have got so pissed watching all but one of those ways to beat Thanos just ending with the TVA showing up...
That actually makes that line make more sense. It's still bad as a concept but it does make that line make much more sense
@@MatthiasTodrykNo it doesn't.
@@Turd_Rocketits stupid but it does, since it explains why there was only a single case where they won that was seemingly so reliant on luck.
(Granted then you'd need to give a reason why 1 the avengers couldn't stop the TVA abd 2 why Strange never mentioned them, but it WOULD improve the line in isolation)
Doctor *WHO?*
“This is a show about Space Lizards intended for children. That being said, I think this show is God damn incredible.” - Patrick (H) Willems
*yellow-jacket getting crushed by his own suit.*
The (H) must stand for Hack
That nut kicking part is burned into my head forever. Another day another assassination.
One nut shot was bad enough, but then he just kept letting it happen. Because god forbid a man stop a woman from nut-ically abusing him.
RIP Loki's balls
“There *exists* a monster outside of time and space that can consume time and space”
They really wanted to be their cake and eat it too, huh
Im surprised people are mad at EFAP and other YT folks like Az, Shad and Drinker for saying Loki sucks.
"Outside time and space" and "Rebirth" was the central point of CW's TV superhero Crossover event too. And EFAP tore that to shreds too.
Not comparing CW to Disney, but my point is that EFAP is consistent when it comes to the concept and mechanics and the content. The whole "EFAP is MCU shills / MCU haters" is mind blowing.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 I'm not surprised. Some people will defend anything if it is appealing on the surface to any extent. It's sad that the talent (actors, special effects, sound people and so on) so often do good work and get used as shields for terrible hack writers and directors.
@@theraven268 I watch Hollywood things like MCU because the content in my native language is really really bad, extremely lazy uninspired. But nowadays MCU feels like same with a higher budget and it is extremely annoying. And judging by people's reactions I think it won't stop soon.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 i _am_ ok with the concept of "outside time and space" because I just assume _something_ that isn't time or space exists. We just can't realistically comprehend it with.
The same way we can't expect a 1 dimensional being understand the concept of 3 dimensions.
You just have to make it work. Seried like Loki or the CW ones just throw you these words without actually making sense of them.
@@denkerbosu3551 except to say “outside” of space is by definition a contradiction, as space contains every location. Outside of Space may not be a logical concept to begin with. Additionally, saying that there “is” something outside space and time is to say that something “exists” outside of space and time, and since existence is commonly defined as having location or extension in spacetime, this is another contradiction. I am fine with the idea that things can exist outside of our local presentation of spacetime, but to say they exist out of all space and all time is quite likely by definition impossible.
Kang: Remember when your realm was attacked by Odin and he kidnapped you from your family, the Giants? It was me, Loki… I made you an Asgardian so you’d be forced to kill your father so you’d become a sad orphan 😈
If Sylvie was never a thing, Loki was actually trying to deceive the TVA, and he was the one who actually breaks the universe, then this would be a better show. With less sitting and talking of course.
Plus I'm tired of seeing half the people I watch praise the show like it's the best thing ever to come out of Marvel in the last 10 years or something.
I feel its that way with everything else too, not just movies. Its like watching folk actively rolling around in shit and seem happy about it.
So, fuck me I guess.
@Hamaa7 yes but the people I'm talking about specifically hasn't praised everything and has some negative things to say in movies such as Captain Marvel, FFH, and Black Panther, how the WV finale ruined the majority of the show, and how FATWS wasn't that spectacular. I think a lot of people are confusing good acting from Tom Hiddleston (even though he was reduced to being Sylvie's little bitch), good graphics, and liking Owen Wilson with the actual show being good when it isn't. I wasted 6 Wednesday mornings on this shit and I fell asleep on episodes 2,3, and 4 just to see way more positive reviews on this show then it deserves. This was Space Jam 2 before Space Jam 2 came out.
Imagine a season 1 ended where Loki almost gets what he wants. Then he unleashes Kang onto the universe. This driving him to undo the mistake.
it legit would have been better if it turned out a Loki variant was trying to kill all other Loki's to become the only loki in the multiverse.
@@Wonderlandhype I find this to happen quite often.
At some people purposefully ignore the woke non-sense and incoherent writing just to "turn off their brain and enjoy"
This defeatist attitude comes after seeing so much of it. Normal people can just go back to watch shows and movies and media in general from before all of this happened, but some youtubers and influencers _havw_ to cover the newest title, so they give their brain no choice but to turn off.
Its probably more common to find people that shat on Star Trek Discovery suddenly praising its newest season rather than go back and re-review the old, better series.
I would've preferred a show about the adventures (with subtitles) of Gator Loki and Frog Thor.
That would be a actual Interesting concept.
Make that What If
And the Ensuing Escapades of E. Grant Lok *E*
Unironically yes plz.
Is Silvie also an adopted frost giant, or do variants have differing origins? Is the alligator a frost giant?
A good question... for another time.
@@BaldorfBreakdowns Kang said so. The End.
Could be. Frost Gaints parties can get really wild.
Considering alligators are cold blooded, I doubt it.
Is loki even a frost giant anymore? He gets cold at one point and his skin color is maintained by magic. When hes taken to the TVA where magic doesnt work hes still human colored. He should have turned blue the moment he was taken to the TVA.
Part of me expected the Lokis to find Kevin Feige at the end of time, because some of the mechanics of the show make a lot more sense if the Time Keeper(s) is just the writer(s), director, or producer.
He's narcissistic enough to do that but not clever enough to think of it
that'd probably be more interesting
Nowadays, with this writing... I would be more expecting them to find Paul Feig at the end of time...
No, no. MCU's meta ends at "Russian Harbey Weinsten".
At this point I'm waiting for Rhodey to give a speech about Hope, Capital H. That will be the Obama meta.🤪🤪
Grant Morrison’s Animal Man did that, it was very interesting and surreal and kind of sweet.
The Loki writers would make it a cringe fest.
When they talk about moving borders with a phone call I immediately remember how pissed Zemo is about what happened to Sokovia. I imagine there are billions more people out there who would also be pissed if their country was just gone or moved and their whole lives got changed because of it. Even if nothing changed, people are gonna be like WTF. It baffles me that the writers think that so many people would be on the terrorist's side. It's not like they're really even doing anything but giving resources to different people than they were originally going to. And all of them need it. They should just be pissing off as many or more people than they're helping.
To bolster your point, arbitrarily moving borders on a whim in this manner was what created the current situation in the Middle East. Various peoples of various conflicting backgrounds with centuries of history were shifted around and their land taken and changed at the whim of global powers at the time. This arbitrary movement wouldn’t solve anything; if anything, it would create way more problems for the entire world than it would ever solve
Post WW 1 Europe at least half the problem was trying to figure out all the suddenly new countries that existed.
This could have been a lot simpler by having all the time travel been done by Kang himself trying to repair the damage the Avengers did and he happened to take Loki because he was a loose end. Then you could go from there.
Agreed. Have it so Kang is irritated by what the Avengers do in Endgame. The order is upset. He now sets out to "manage" one of those timelines and shit goes sideways. This could've been a great What If series in itself. Have all 2012 avengers get screwed.
Also, what we got with Loki is akin to Rise of Skywalker. Palpy enlists Kylo to kill Rey, but then he's trying to hide out until he can destroy the universe/resistance in 16 hours. Kylo ends up turning good and Rey and Kylo emd up on Palpy's doorstep (not what Palpy asked for fifteen minutes ago) but somehow, SOMEHOW, "everything is going exactly as I (Palpy) planned". I aaaallllwaayys wanted you here Reeey, my grandbaby. Wtf?!
@@valentinegonsalves7322 what I find is a good idea with time travel is to keep it simple and somewhat vague. They originally screwed this up in Endgame. Just have one timeline and Kang needs to maintain it to ensure his empire in the future. Also cut the quirky bs Kang should be a time traveling Alexander the Great.
@@BalrogUdun "Just have one timeline and Kang needs to maintain it to ensure his empire in the future."
... That's literally what they did, tho? We just met him when he was so bored with being so powerful that he was willing to give up his power or die. He's "quirky" because when we first meet him he's not "Kang the Conqueror" anymore, he's "Kang the Already Conquered Everything", and millions of years of being in power has turned him into a senile old coot. Loki was shit, but episode 6 was probably the best villain introduction in the entire MCU (already a low bar with how many forgettable and boring villains there are).
@@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786 he exists out of time so he doesn’t age anymore the concept of perceiving time should be removed for him. He controls the outcome of reality and he’s he’s just a silly person is infuriating he needs an appearance of importance that matches his responsibility. Also the whole premise is idiotic a guy who is so committed to his job he’s murdered countless people for arbitrary offenses so he can remove free will suddenly decides eh screw it and wants to hand the reigns over to a god of chaos. It’s stupid on every level.
@@BalrogUdun Even as a genius who won a war against countless versions of himself and now exists out of time, he's still a human. And human minds aren't meant to contain what is, from his perspective, millions of years of information and experiences.
It makes sense that he's basically a senile old man who now wants to retire, not the self-serious, villainous warlord which he probably will be in the next Ant-Man. It's also a pretty clear misdirect in retrospect, playing to the more recent trope of "ditzy, friendly villain" and then subverting that instead of making him generic, stoic authoritarian villain #6503 right off the bat. Do you even remember the scene the villain of Guardians of the Galaxy (I don't even remember his name) was introduced, or even the first scene Thanos was seen onscreen before Infinity War? Can bet you don't.
You're way oversimplifying his motivations (and also getting them wrong), he's not just committed to "a job," he's committed to ensuring his and only his existence. Contrary to what every other dumb take in this comments section believes, he didn't remove free will. Every event in the MCU didn't just occur because he arbitrarily decided it, he's just protecting the version of events that _he_ came from, the version of history that eventually results in that version of Kang.
It's just that by the time we meet him at the end of Loki, he's decided he wants to quit. He's bored by being a god and took the opportunity of the Lokis showing up to peace out. Either way, it really doesn't matter to him. Another Kang will win and do what he did again to ensure that _that_ Kang is the only one left again. I don't understand how a character can literally give their backstory, motivations, and purpose in the story in the dryest exposition possible and people somehow still get it completely wrong. Loki is a terrible show with a lot of bad writing, but if you got as far as the end, I'd expect you to at least have an attention span.
So here's what I wonder...why _didn't_ Loki take back infinity stones when doing the break-in? They don't work _in_ the TVA sure, but they definitely work _outside_ of it. Just take a time and space stone, leave the TVA, and now they can never catch you. We know that the TVA personnel _are_ effected by magic and such outside of the TVA, because mind control and all that. Honestly I don't know why I'm asking questions the whole show is a mess.
You might need the specific infinity stone from that universe
@@Chugargonfan Even so, he may as well of just grabbed each of them there since he knows at least _one_ of them is from his own universe. Even if it's just space, having just the one infinity stone would have helped him immensely in the series.
@@Cellidor Could Loki handle the power of the bare Infinity gems though?
@@hiddenbutdeadly I'm not entirely sure, but I think he would be able to. If we go by other examples in the movies, certain powerful characters are capable of handling their power, and since Asgardians are effectively gods (with frost giants assumed to be somewhat on par) I'd imagine it'd be the same.
On top of that, I seem to recall that the power stone is the only one that we've seen cause real problems with direct contact, which makes sense given it's just raw unlimited power manifest. Something more 'mundane' like the teleportation of the space stone seems like it would be more manageable. Consider as an example Thor: Dark World, where what's-her-face had the...mind? Reality?... Stone contained inside of her and didn't die or anything of the sort.
Third, if all else fails we've seen characters before simply smack an infinity stone into some kind of tool or other device to act as a proxy. The Infinity Gauntlet was needed to use all of them at once, sure, but one stone on its own? We've seen that pulled off far more easily.
@@Cellidor Think Current Loki though...
As someone who was adopted, I grant all participants and viewers of this stream an A-word pass.
Blessings of the Don upon you.
@@XxAegremxX Don but not forgotten
As long as you aren't an orphan.
If you are, I'm just messing with you. :(
@@XxAegremxX no-one's ever really Don
There are no orphans here. The Don smiles upon us. We are his children.
2:50:30 I think this is the point Scorsese was trying to make. Not that all comic movies do this but the bulk of them are action-comedy with big CGI battles but poor plot, character, world building etc. It really is closer to a theme park ride than quality cinema and story telling.
Yea I agree. I was on board with what Scorsese said because it’s more along the the lines of “well, what do you expect”. And I do think his statement was misinterpreted. The MCU is not a self contained work of fiction where there’s a thematic point that’s structurally reinforced through plot, character, and world building. Most of the marvel movies do have a thematic point to it if you view them as their own self contained story, but the overarching story suffers because as your trying to piece it all together, you end up wondering what the point is, if that makes any sense.
>kevin smith bragging he killed He-Man twice
>everyone who cared about He-Man:
(Man of Steel neck snap yell)
Adam didn't die twice. He was just wounded by Skeletor.
@@aisnota5192
Kevin smith literally confirmed he’s dead again. With exuberance, even.
@@Party_Almsivi If He-Man dies a third time then he’ll officially be the Kenny of Kevin’s MOTU, the memes from that alone would be glorious. 😂
Silent Bob had his chance.
@@Party_Almsivi Artie been real quiet since your comment dropped.
What I took away from this is that the 'U' part of 'MCU' is now so fundamentally broken that it's virtually impossible to have a conversation about it that makes any sense.
The 'C' had already been thrown away thanks to Disney+.
Who wants to bet on how long the 'M' will last?
Look everyone! It’s Batman!
All 4 parts of phase 4 so far have only one theme in common: Free Will. Something every MCU writer wants to preach about but has not idea what it is and how it works and why it is important.
WandaVision:
If you're sad its okay to take away people's free will and create your own fake reality that you can enslave them to.
FATWS:
Even when people are good, scold them for not being better. They have free will, so they can move borders with a phone call. Yeah. Use your free will to reject all the good people did for you, including your friends. Because they could've done better. How? I don't know. I just took my stuff. Free will. Hah!
Loki:
Fuck Free Will. People are too dumb. Can't trust them. And oh, its important. But its stupid.
Black Widow:
Lets kill the guy who enslaved women with mind control, but let the woman who helped him go. Because whatever she is, she is my mommy. (Wonder Woman did this shit with Dr Poison).
These writers belong on a podcast. Some of them are just podcasters. That's where they belong.
The MC/SSM? The 'Marvel Cinematic and/or Streaming-Service Multiverse'? Bit of a mouthful, dare I say.
@@thejemstone9219 MCSSM? That sounds like either a weird sex move or a genetic disorder.
@@kylesquid *Batwoman
In the spirit of Jake Skywalker, I suggest we start calling the new Loki, "Joki".
Jokey
Wokey
I think it would have to be funny first
@Lundy I agree with Lundy here.
Hoki
I originally walked away from the Loki series thinking it was just ok. I knew it was flawed, but this discussion helped me see just how many layers of flaws there are. Although I was aware from episode one that this is not Loki. This one is some watered down version of him.
These long breakdowns and discussions are helping me be more aware and critical of what I watch, which I appreciate. I enjoy having a better understanding of what makes a logical and good story.
Apparently Body Positive Time Cop's purple stick is more powerful than the Hulk
*ugh* I will put up with you talking about bad writing, but fat shaming is not an argument. In fact, that was a dick thing to say.
@@aisnota5192 Please speak to Human Resources and fill out the appropriate Butt-Hurt Report. When you're done, please take the time to self-reflect and realize you completely misconstrued a comment about bad writing as a personal attack. Furthermore, please take the time to reflect on the fact that you're wasting your own time getting offended by something that a stranger said on the internet.
@@LoreChaplain Oh I'm sorry. I had no idea you had the medical condition of "HAVING A STICK UP YOUR ASS". You might want to get that looked at since you talk put of that thing!
@@LoreChaplain is this Artie guy for real or do you think it's a joke? Seriously can't tell.
@@mykr0324 lol I wasn't sure either at first. Judging from the second response, I'm guessing they were actually serious.
If they're that easily offended I question what they're doing watching an EFAP video in the first place.
I doubt fringy will ever see this, but pigs are vicious little beasts. If someone were to fall in the pig pen and get severely injured, there is a good chance the pigs will turn around and try to kill and eat them. They are omnivores and extremely opportunistic, which is why Dorothy's family freak out when she is playing around the pig pen in the Wizard of Oz.
On the point of cattle, they are only ever docile because we make them docile. A heifer or bull can easily break bones, and heifers would often do so when being milked. Even if the farmer was super caring, it doesn't matter, the cow will get a cow idea and go for a kick.
We seriously have forgotten that these are still animals, and most domesticated animals are not like dogs and cats.
Nonsense, pigs are not vicious. You're thinking of boars.
Yeah, cause no cats or dogs are ever 'vicious'.
Don't excuse your animal abuse by saying all other animals are violent except cats and dogs, just absurd.
@@akashajones6079
Pigs and boars are the same animals. A pig will fully revert to being a boar after just a couple generations in the wild.
I didn't say that cats and dogs are never violent. I was pointing out that they are domesticated to the point of being companions, whereas farm animals are domesticated to be livestock. This will result in one being far more likely to attack you than the other.
Justifying animal abuse? What are you going on about?
Loki, Wanda, Falcon, Bucky..this is Thanos snap irl assassinating all the characters left
The right way to do kang would be like the main Evil in wheel of time. He’s almost the personification of erosion, that brutal crushing feeling of loss and the feeling of meaninglessness. Primal beings that live forever are not lighthearted, anyone who has lived would know this lmao
Rags raises an interesting question near the end of Midnight’s video when he asks why people hate Black Widow but love the Marvel shows, despite the fact that they’re all terrible.
It can’t just be “consume product,” a preference for certain actors or blind acceptance as surely the same would apply to Black Widow what applies to Loki or WV or Falcon and the Racial Politics, yet there is this disconnect between people who enjoy the shows yet hate Black Widow.
It’s hard to put into words but there is something deceptive about the shows that make people think they’re good whereas the bad Marvel movies are just bad. I think the best way to describe it is that the problems of Black Widow or Dark World are just obvious whereas the shows require a bit more thought to understand the issues.
It’s a weird disconnect yet it is one that exists and shows people are capable of turning against bad content, they just won’t do it all the time for whatever strange reason.
Yeah WandaVision got me for awhile before I realized it wasn’t very good, it’s still better than the rest of the Marvel shows but that’s REALLY not saying much.
Maybe it's the format itself. Key jangling perhaps works more effectively in short bursts and the anticipation for what happens next episode might be JUST enough to keep the nonsense hidden behind the curtain. In a movie you have enough time to realise how much it sucks, and the constant action scenes aren't powerful enough to override the brain.
It might also be that most people still hold television to a much lower standard. I mean hell look at the CW, a vast sea of low budget, terribly written crap and yet they still pull in an audience that's willing to defend even the stupidest stuff you can think of (i.e. the Flash lightsaber fight.)
@@Nillcox85 what are you talking about that lightsaber fight is the greatest thing ever. It showed how much (little) care they put into it. I bet when Scorsese watched that and shed a tear knowing that all his films cannot compete to the mastery that was present before him.
I can't speak for others, but for me I think the answer is fandom. When I watch a show weekly, the spend that week online discussing theories, headcanons, ships and all that other stuff. The show almost becomes supplemental content in a way. With a movie, I watch it and the discussion is less creative and more critical. There's also the fact that it takes less time to consume in general. If I dislike a show, I typically don't watch the entire thing and give up. If I watch a bad movie, I typically stick with it and feel more justified complaining about something I've watched to completion. The shorter runtime also allows flaws to be more apparent. (Ex: Characters failing to communicate in a handful of episodes with episodes they don't, doesn't make that failure not a problem but it is less of one than in a movie where that takes up much more of the run time.)
There is a way to salvage this mess, retcon what happened in Loki as to being a fever dream that the God of Mischief was having while ruling in Asgard as Odin after drinking too much ale during a wild party.
Problem solved, after all if the Mandarin can get retconned then so can this.
No. It's canon. Get over it.
So nothing the MCU Heroes ever did really mattered, it was because Kang did it.
Yeah. That’s some good quality canon lore right there.
@@RogueFox2185 No. That's not how it works. It's more like the Adjustment Bearu. Their actions mattered.
@@aisnota5192 Not really, it was all according to Kang’s design even right up to his death by Sylvie.
In the grand scheme of things nothing mattered until Kang’s death, it was all predetermined and they had no free Will until that moment.
@@RogueFox2185 Okay. Listen. Kang is really smart, but he also is not a reliable source of information. I think he just let things happen when he found them interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if the timelines were deleted because he found them unsatisfying. Then you have the TVA who suck at their jobs. Remember Kang is in charge of the timeline. That's a really shitty and exhausting job. I bet there are a ton more variants we didn't see that either got away like Sylvie, or were too difficult to "melt". Not only that but he allowed Endgame to happen, which was doomed to cause problems. No, he's not in control of EVERYTHING.
1:57:00 It's basically Batwoman level writing again where you introduce a character or plot point only to dispose of it in that episode or the very next one and then forgotten. Rinse and repeat, nothing matters.
Writing is hard, but not this hard
Unless it’s on purpose
Actually it’s pretty easy if you have common sense and a beginning, middle, and end with a with a simple but interesting premise.
@@LegacyComics100
Well yes, but if you want to tell a relatively narratively complex story with lots of solid character writing, and integrated themes that are successfully supported by the writing itself, it’s actually quite difficult to write something completely airtight. That difficulty level is what separates the good writers from the bad; those who are willing to spend heaps of time and energy going over their work and making sure everything that CAN line up, lines up.
From watching Loki, I wouldn’t be surprised if all of the scripts were first-draft.
@@onnixcarmichele3911 the scripts for Loki I feel like are worse than even the average first-draft script. We need a new name for it, how about no-draft?
This is kinda random, but why do people think Django Unchained is good? The plot is entirely run by contrivance, and the German doctor guy assassinating the plantation owner and screwing over Django was super out of character. And DiCaprio's sister getting killed for no reason was pretty bad.
Inglorious Basterds is pretty well-written, I just am very uncomfortable with the main characters. They are extremely cruel toward German soldiers who are probably just there to defend their country and one is probably a young conscript. "The army was volunteer only" well, when everyone is volunteering, and actual German territory is getting invaded, it's not the same as volunteering in let's say, the US today. Seems like Tarantino thinks that whoever he decides is the big bad can anything happen to them and it is somehow justified.
Fringy was on fire for this episode! Rags has been demoted to 3rd host
Feels like rags gets in weird moods some times idk?
@@sammerry7706 I feel he was a bit off on the last episode with full fat, but here Rags is great too. Fringy just stood out to me, even b4 superchat portion
Yeah, he doesn't suffer fools or the indulgent right wing rhetoric of some of the other contributors at times. He's precise and consistent.
What are you talking about? Rags is a guest. Always has been.
@@SacClass650 When did that happen commrade manbun besides in your head?
*Hitler gets accepted into art school*
Kang: Yeah, I don’t think so.
Loki is capable of discussing questions about the multiverse like Twilight is capable of discussing abortion.
You HAVE seen this before. Phase four so far has been untethered. And its clear the writers don't want the "burden" of being tied to any universe, be that movies or comics...
Remind you of anyone else? The names Kennedy and Rian Roundhead come to mind?🤪🤪
L M A O
One thing I didn't get is the time loop where Loki gets hit in the nuts repeatedly. Is that a hologram, or have they just got variants in this endless, torturous loop, like is she a person who's in this weird purgatory forever until she's needed to kick him in the nuts. Never explained
And the fact that she knees him in the balls every time no matter what he says or does tells me that she is not making her own decisions.
Someone creating a time loop is weird, but adding a sentient being as a part of the time loop, not one experiencing it, complicates it so much
I always assumed it was Loki that got looped in a time-space. She was a 'new' person every time, Loki is the one experiencing it on repeat
Comparing the MCU Disney shows is like a gymnastics competition where everybody tries to do complex maneuvers only to end up landing on their faces. Then comes Hawkeye, it just jumps three times and nothing else, and it wins because everyone else is kissing the floor.
In the case of Loki it not only manages to break it's own neck and die, it almost purposefully injures the rest of the contestants on it's way down.
Sounds about right.
Fun Fact: Masters of the Universe was the most successful toy brand in the mid 1980s. Until they scaled back the focus on He-Man slightly, and then increased the focus on She-Ra, and the whole ball of wax completely collapsed. (Midnight's Edge has some videos on the topic) There's a saying about those who don't learn from history.
...10 hours?
Okay, I need to listen to this in two sessions.
I like to think of EFAP as a syringe that gets longer with every hour. And am I ever chasing that dragon boyyyyy
@@CMCAdvanced It can't get longer 12 hours unfortunately...
@@Сайтамен yeah, that much long at once will savage a man's will and sanity. But we do what we must for anniversary episodes
The Defenders could've been a great show. They had all the characters already established and they had like 8 hours to work with. But they decided to use all of them as one very long origin story. The origin of nothing, as it turns out.
Imagine if they had managed to contain the origin story of this group to _just_ the first 2 episodes, then used the rest to tell a decent story about the benefits and drawbacks of being a part of a team. A little time skip of 3 or 4 months, the group dynamics have been established and the press has noticed them working together and given them their name. And _then_ Stick shows up to tell 'em about evil Sigourney Weaver (who eventually goes on to actually do something impressive as opposed to just "subverting our expectations" and dropping dead) ... maybe?
I don't dislike it, it was the biggest problem that they take to long to get together. But I do think you need to set up the bad guy in the first episode and also establish that they're evil.
Remember Loki killing a dude in avengers and smiling? What have they done to my boy?
forgot this was the avengers 1 loki and had him get all his infinity war development off screen.
@@megamike15 they made him watch the whole franchise so hes gone insane
You want to know who did a multiverse better than Loki, Men in Black 3. While it's not a multiverse strictly speaking, the character of Griffin is an alien who is capable of seeing all possible timelines simultaneously. He walks the MiB through a Dodgers game where the Dodgers made an unbelievable comeback and how things had to happen just so in order for that to happen while at the same time he's able to see what would happen if everything didn't play out just in the way they did. And at the end of the movie, he watches as K and J leave a diner and K initially doesn't leave a tip, so he sees the imminent destruction of Earth by a meteor coming because K didn't leave that tip, yet at the last moment K walks back in and realizes he forgot to leave a tip and does so, and the meteor impacts a satellite and the Earth is safe. THAT is a really clever way of bringing a multiverse into play without twisting it into some kind of "no free will" situation like what Marvel did with Kang, a character can see the variances in the timelines, the limitless possibilities. and is just amazed by them and fascinated as to how it's going to actually play out right in front of his eyes.
I don’t mean this in any condescending way, but I genuinely want to see y’all make a story since the ways y’all try to fix what y’all are covering is many times more interesting than what actually happened in the movie/show. I feel like y’all would come up with something much better than what Disney and marvel are coming out with now
Almost every single one of these host has their own channel and projects. Many have long format videos. Shadiverseity youtube channel is a treasure. Drinker has his own set of books. They are all creators and even if they never created anything their criticism is no less valid
Disagreed, I think their critiques are more interesting than their alternatives.
@@ronniejdio9411 Shad also has a book of his own: Shadow of the Conqueror.
Havent got time to read it yet but I hear good things about it
I don't see why you think this comment would come off as condescending. You're speaking very highly of them after all.
Unironically it would probably suck
my bestie and her bf recently watched Loki. me and bestie were longtime fans of the MCU and the character so every second of the show was pure torture for us
her bf doesn’t really care for the MCU, he hasn’t seen all the movies and probably can’t even name all the major characters. he loved the show
this should tell you something about what kind of folks the majority of the show’s fans are
Exactly! The old fans of MCU and Loki don't like the show, because Loki is really OOC and the shows makes fun of everything we already know. Normies who have seen just a few movies they love the show, they don't overthink what it all means.
I'm a longtime MCU viewer, and I've watched all the shows, including Agents of SHIELD.
I've watched all the movies at least three times.
I liked Loki.
I think you people take this universe too seriously.
Most movies are kinda weak, and they're mostly popcorn fare. If you start over thinking them, most fall apart very easily.
Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.
In this way, I think you are very similar to Scorsese - he also takes them too seriously.
@@JustGrowingUp84 that’s technically good advice. the thing is, whether you connect with media isn’t always up to you
I liked Loki as a character because his backstory was so well done that it resonated with me on a personal level (I come from a similar family situation).
that’s what happens when art is made with quality in mind, there’s a higher chance the audience will connect with it and I’d argue a lot of marvel’s films up to phase 4 had that. it’s why so many people cried while watching Tony’s funeral
on a basic level, yeah, all of these movies and series have a superficial ability to entertain. but not all of them can offer something more. you can turn off your brain to ignore plot holes but you can’t turn off your response to a beloved character being decimated by bad writing. and again, it’s not your choice whether you connect with that character in the first place
@@nesbits22 True, entertainment is highly subjective, and you don't get to pick and choose what you like or dislike.
@@JustGrowingUp84 I like the jokes but I can see how it breaks the whole mcu
So why did the TVA wait to prune Female Loki when she was a kid? Wouldn't they nuke that timeline as soon as the her Frost Giant parents gave birth to her? Or, say, Odin takes the wrong kid to raise as his own?
It's all arbitrary, it could be because she sneezed and created a branch that shouldn't exist.
Also, the twist at the end kind of implies it was done so she take over the TVA with Loki.
That would do more harm than good, they need to prune her at the moment in her life when she becomes a variant.
@@kevinzhang6623but isn’t she already a variant the moment she gets xx chromosomes? “true timeline” loki is always a man, isn’t he?
i’m not trying to be rude or anything, i just genuinely don’t understand
The reveal of Sylvie is probably the most emblematic example of modern cinema. They built this second Loki up as this big mystery, and the big reveal is just that the second Loki is female.
It's not a second Loki that beat the Avengers; or a second Loki that inherited the thrown from Odin; or even a future version of the same Loki. Nah, it's a Loki with boobs.
You don't get a second Loki that would actually have a meaningful impact on the main Loki. You get an 'inclusive' Loki.
I was working on a Loki critique but my premiere pro crashed and I lost everything, sad Wumbo hours
Your computer got melted
If your premiere Pro didn't crash it would have been melted
Try to recapture it. I assure you there's a way to bring it back.
No one cares
@@CoyoTWil3 Just because you don't doesn't mean everyone else shares your tismy opinion.
1:49:11 All I can think of is that Spaceballs scene... "When does THIS happen in the movie?" when they are doing the Loki... this is your life... segment...
The only to redeem ANY of this show is for THIS Loki, at the end of season two, to grab the Tesseract and take Endgame Loki's place... therefore sacrificing himself for a noble cause and allowing the Endgame Loki, who he knows is a better version of himself, survive...
What if the first draft of the finale’s script was to reveal Mickey Mouse, and this entire show was written as an elaborate, meta commentary on the lack of creative writing free will after Disney bought Marvel.
And then - even more meta - this version of the finale is deemed a dangerous variant of the script, and is pruned from the writing room.
Let the memes begin!😉😉
The Purple Fart Poodle grows Mickey Mouse ears.
@@nk_3332 The Purple Fart Poodle is actually Pluto the Dog
the multiversal war did make more sense to me after they revealed it was one guy. He would jump into places and clip entire branches, his universe, ie him, destroying millions of others to avoid certain events. Made more sense than the cartoon of timelines banging against each other like giraffe necks anyway
I think you guys nailed it pretty well - these days it's all about characters doing stuff, with little to no regard to any consequences to the MCU as a whole. And it would seem that most people don't care - they just want to see their favorite characters doing stuff (looking at you, Angry Joe).
I put this on, fell asleep, and woke up to Fringy contemplating the implications of transhumanism. Definitely a weird way to start my day.
What people seem to be missing as well is why do they kidnap these people in Loki if the grenades send the world back? They'd just need to activate the grenade and he'd be sent back with the world wouldnt he?
People have survived for extended periods of time after being pruned.
If they want them to die, why doesn't pruning teleport them into a black hole? Or just ACTUALLY disintegrate them!? The twist is pruning isn't instant death, it's teleporting them somewhere TO DIE, but WHY!?
Who's gonna be here for all 11 hours so the mouse doesn't kill it for ya?
YES been waiting for this since gary mentioned it on the nooner
"pirates of the caribbean has an awesome soundtrack" proceeds to hum a mashup of elder scrolls and pirates instead of the actual pirates soundtrack never change frogny
Then I'll drink it, then I'll eat it, then I'll chew it, then I'll poo...
When Mauler said that people remember a different show than they actually watched, it reminded me of a weird experience as a kid watching the Spiderwick Chronicles movie. I was disappointed but then had a crazy dream and was convinced that I hadn’t finished the movie. My parents literally rented it for a second week until I had time to watch just for me to realize I had already watched the entire movie and all the cool scenes I remembered were all in my head.
Captain Midnight actually made a really good Toy Story 4 video
even cosmonaut has a good video, his introduction to warhammer. Sometimes when the stars align they will produce something worthwhile.
Broken clock
@@TheSlammurai I think it's more the fact that pretty much everyone has some good takes even if a metric ton of terrible ones spew out. Usually they'll put more effort into the communication of their actually based takes
The reason there's a talent drought is that many studios are cutting costs further
I'm pretty certain that if we put a ceiling on the number of times Rags' could stack up "aaand..." qualifiers to his every argument or analogy, EFAP vids would only be about half as long.
4:37:00 I'm fucking salivating for that kind of twist, or sage, kind of like searching for this deity character and instead finding a withered husk of man. Flesh worn down by fate and control. Eaten up by the desire/ purpose to avoid what happens when the Time War comes undone.
4:35:07 Hell... they could have stole from Kubrick and have the Kang guy shift through different ages while they are talking to him... because he has been there so long his body is no longer attached to linear time... young Kang... elderly Kang... middle age Kang...
You know something that differntiates him from a regupar person
The only way that I can imagine that there can be stakes for our current cast of avengers who are essentially indestructible due to either being vibranium or powers transferred from the infinity stones is for them to be depowered through plot or just to be written in a way that nerfs their powers. Otherwise, it's the equivalent of starting a game where you start out at level 10000 and the enemies are all level 5 at most
yup, the mcu suffers from power creep just like dragon ball or naruto. interestingly towards the beginning of the mcu the writers were aware of this problem so they really nerfed certain characters such as hulk, hell even wanda was essentially a glass cannon despite getting her powers from an infinity stone , but as they kept introducing new characters and villains they kept making them more and more powerful to raise the stakes
Can is just ask, what will happen if Thanos after snapping half of the earth population dont destroy the gauntlet and goes on a rampage? I have a hard time to imagine that some TVA dude comes up to him and say, "NOUGH you were not supposed to do that" ... like come on writters.... think about these scenarios that now we suppose to accept blindly....
Seriously, they never address how humans in body armor without projectile weapons could take down someone more powerful than them. Well, I guess they show that they can take down Loki, but only because his character and power level changed because plot. It's established that infinity stones and magic don't work within the TVA, and so we can assume that that applies to all sorts of powers and possibly technologies. But outside of the TVA, they don't stand a chance against Thanos, Thor, black widow (who has guns), Hawkeye (who has a bow and arrow), Connor McGregor, me in a car, etc. Why in the world would can recruit human variants, of all the different variants he could use?
@@jeremiahsagers135 Imagine that TVA officer lady who was babysitting Loki, came up against Ronan with the power stone after he managed to destroy Xendar.....those TVA idiots couldnt even touch him xd
Same applies to the Civil War Winter Soldier, if he kills Cap, and the TVA comes for him, he would be more than capable of disarm every one of them.
If i understand it correctly these TVA guys are just some blokes who were probably bartenders, pilots, housewifes etc etc... not soldiers or officers with special training , and you cant just inplant martial art skills into them to be able to defend themself......
In response to 10:02:35, I believe you guys are referring to the cold snap that happened and, due to corruption and no real enforcement of cold weather proofing various things, a lot of Texas went without power and water for a good while. But Texas does have a lot of green energy, people in charge just cheaped out on cold weather proofing things which made the whole situation a national embarrassment for the state and forced a state of emergency to be declared.
"Green energy" was half the problem The wind turbines froze
And we all know why the media decided to focus on Texas, but it happened almost everywhere else too and half of California is currently in another blackout yes another one but the media is completely silent about it
odd that I'm so excited about another 10h breakdown of something that I didn't watch/play
55:18 Soooo... according to this NEW logic... Kang would be controlling Dreykov's everyday actions... who in turn, is controlling all the Black Widow's everyday actions...
So, Yelena murdered someone who was as innocent of their crimes as the Black Widows were of theirs?
About an hour in and I want to know if they talked about the fact that in endgame, the sorcerer supreme talked about how taking an infinity stone out of a timeline will doom that reality but they've taken multiple infinity stones outside of multiple realities and they don't seem to be bothered about it.
Well that’s because they reset the realities where those stones came from anyway.
@@darthdragonborn1552 Does resetting the reality mean that they make an infinity stone out of thin air or do they actually leave realities behind with none of the stones? If it's the former, that's insane. If it's the latter, then that reality is doomed.
One year later, this cosmic fuckery has had no effect on absolutely anything following it at all.
Where the fuck were the TVA in Multiverse of Madness by the way? How were all those alternate Earths allowed to exist? None of them led to the Multiversal War? Did Kang know about the Dark Hold and the Book of Deus Ex? I feel like THOSE would lead to *some* sort of conflict.
So the guys I have talked to that really like Loki are the same guys who never liked him in the movies because they perceived him as that cool mean guy at school. I find that fascinating because it's almost like they're enjoying his downfall into mediocrity. I have always been a Loki fan for his quick wit and turn of phrase and I didn't make it through the first episode
That is the most hilarious take I've heard.
It'd be like me saying I don't like the Riddler because he's like the pretentious kid in literature class who only talks in poetry and rhymes. Or me saying Thor is rubbish because I like Static Shock.
I'm not surprised though. Its like everyone's gotten so pretentious that it is insane to accept a character is pure evil by nature. Everyone needs some half-assed excuse to justify. The God of Mischief isn't breaking other people's sandcastles because "the wind knocked his over". He does it because he likes watching people react to his actions. Its pleasurable to him, and he wants to see how far he can take it.
And they are SO WRONG as well, Loki was never 'that cool mean guy at school' he was always in Thor's shadows, despite being so much clever than Thor everyone always preferred Thor and Loki was always ignored and bullied.
8:13:30 Joel Schumacher (as well as Bruce Timm) went full art deco, Tim Burton went more for gothic and German Expressionism.
So even if these fixes were made, what we’d be left with is Loki becoming a true god by doing this existential breakdown and pulling a Joker by simply letting chaos happen in the form of “Free will” becoming present
But all that would still mean is the writers using this as a complete excuse to just do whatever they want to keep the media alive. That “What if.....” show, Various art styles, comedy shows like DC’s Harley Quinn, etc.
Basically it would all be like DEADPOOL was the one writing everything instead (Hell maybe He should have been where Loki is even)
The same self deprecation and “self awareness” MCU and DC have been doing to excuse their poor writings and any semblance of grounding. All just so fans will say how “Creative, smart, emotional, etc” it all is and all explained because of LOKI (Or Deadpool as I brought up)
Neat to hear Rags talk about Albuquerque! Nobody ever remembers this state exists, let alone knows a city in it!
5:16:55 Rags predicts the video by Dapz Academy about how to use math to tell when your dad is coming back
Rags = spider, confirmed
See with endgame, I was under the impression that when cap traveled back it created an alternate timeline and cap lived out his life in that alternate timeline and came back.
Now the writers of endgame and Loki have thrown that out
I had almost all of the Calvin and Hobbes books as a kid/teen, but my favorite books were the ones with Bill Watterson's commentary. In one comic, Hobbes tells Calvin a bunch of BS about his parents and Calvin goes to his mom to ask if any of it was true. The comic was just kinda silly, but the commentary underneath gave me a good laugh: "Some people felt that I was maligning adoption by putting alongside cannibalism and sIavery."
Remember when it was ok to tell outraged people to calm down and not take everything so literally? Good times.
@The Rotten💯 Doesn't that make you dependent on them for entertainment?
And let's be honest; you can offend anybody if you know where to aim, chorfs aren't all that special, they just feel very safe in their big echo chambers and are pretty easy pickings once they wander out of it.
The *actual* originator of the Rey/Arya/Blondie knife move was Benicio Del Toro in The Hunted.
People mocked Martin Scorsese when he said that the MCU is a theme park and not cinema.
Every day that passes that statement becomes even more true though.
Back again. Control is also great, one of the best single player games I've played up until the end in a long while. Was apprehensive at first but it's a really cool concept.
The Dr. Strange argument becomes even worse when you realize Wong is currently the Sorcerer Supreme
1:10:03 From what I understand listening to this video and having seen through episode 4 of Loki (I don’t really care about spoilers for this show) Kang can’t directly control someone but since there are infinite realities he can just prune all the realities that don’t have someone complete the exact action he wants them to and we are just watching that exact timeline. Like the endless monkey theory. Eventually they can write Shakespeare. With enough realities eventually Kang can find the exact sequence of events that he wants.
Yeah so far it seems like the Time Nazis are the greatest threat in the MCU and that everything so far and going forward (assuming they don’t destroy the TVA by the end of this) is Kang’s puppet show AKA the “Sacred Timeline”. It’s going to be hard to take any threat seriously with this group around.
Ironically, what Kang should have been like is what the Architect in The Matrix was like. Very dry and bored characteristics and a profound, complex and confusing speech style.
Drinker: Captain Marvel 2 will be protected to the high heavens. That movie will make money no matter what they have to do to make that happen.
The Marvels 2023: 186 million to 350 million budget. Guess it wasn’t protected enough 😅
Whenever they talk about Kang, I just can’t take it seriously. My mind automatically goes to the “We wuz kangz!” meme.
I am around 1:37:00, the way I understood it from the show was the old Loki variant timeline was dealt with within the limit but he himself survived, probably like the lady Loki did all that time. The issue then arrises with how can a timeline not exist anymore while the person responsible for creating it does.
Second, the bombs creating timelines. My understanding was that if you bomb a branch timeline, it resets. But if you bomb the sacred timeline it has nothing to "reset against" so it launches a new timeline due to a paradox or something.
I would not consider myself a fan of Shad anymore, but hearing him briefly talk about Stormlight made me happy.
Why not?
"How do you make a Deadpool movie when you're Disney?"
Fringydamus foresaw the trainwreck of Deadpool and Wolverine three years ago, meanwhile most of the FNT crew are still on 24/7 copium treatments to convince themselves it was acceptable.
God I fucking love Shad when he freaks out and yells.
Sams, like the based Christmas rant
You guys are brilliant and hilarious, lol. Rags was killing it during the ad section of the Loki video you guys watched, lmao.
Kang discovering the existence of the multiverse and then in his lifetime becoming the grand architect of all reality would be like the guy who discovered germs curing every disease before he died
Its extra embarassing cause tony took a couple days(at most) to figure it out.
Nothing makes sense but it looks cool. Did JJ Abrams write it?
1:58:00 the MCU really does have a pathlogical need to turn anything of note into a joke and it's getting old
Y'all need to give Kingdom a try. It's an awesome zombie show and pretty well written from what i remember
I just hate how they made Loki so weak in this show. He's a pitiful joke, not a master trickster.
Rewatching this, I wanna cry myself to sleep. There is no joke.