This whole "Nick Fury broke his promise" backstory is literally because the writers of Captain Marvel screwed up by having the Skrulls be the misunderstood good guys. They cared more about making them a refugee allegory despite them becoming genocidal maniacs in Secret Invasion. Sticking with the comics would have saved them a huge headache.
I genuinely wonder if the 'theme' they were aiming for was an attack on Obama. Like, the writers are trying to make Fury an Obama surrogate and the story is supposed to be some kind of 'you promised a tonne of stuff but it never happened' message.
"sticking with the comics would've saved them a huge headache." is how you can describe basically the whole MCU if I'm being honest. some diversion is ok, you can't tell a characters full story that's been going for 50 years plus in just a few hours. But by phase 3 the set-ups were already ruined because they strayed too far.
@@casbynessI'm just waiting for the writers to go full mask-off and have Black Panther 3 be a full-on Helter-Skelter race war where all white men are genocided while all the white women side with the superior black men. Jesus, they would basically become white supremacists.
@@casbyness see the issue there is the show is critical of Nick Fury, but marvel at this point is drinking so much koolaid even Utgard-Loki would need to refill the horn for them. The concept that any democratic leader could possibly be in any way flawed is a concept I frankly don't believe anyone at marvel could possibly entertain without blue-screening, geeting beach-balled, or having their kernel bail out on them
I looked this up the minute I heard Nick say “no one calls me Nick”. There are 21 instances of people referring to him just as “Nick”. Tony, Steve, Natasha, Hill, and Pierce all call him Nick across Avengers, Age of Ultron, Infinity War, and Winter Soldier. It took me 5 minutes.
I love how in retrospect captain marvel was actually the villain of her own movie, stopping the kree from saving the universe from those Skrull monsters😂
So is Carol Danvers mentioned once in this show? You know... the person that actually went with the Skrulls looking for a new planet and failed tremendously?
@@dodojesus4529 Thanks. That explains this stupid retcon completely! Can't wait for Carol to not acknowledge anything that happened with the Skrulls in the Marvels ;)
@@samwallaceart288let’s not forget she just managed to save Tony and Nebula who were stranded near Jupiter (I think it was Jupiter?) at the end of Infinity War. Casually can travel multiple planets worth of space easily. My god what her abilities could do to advance space exploration…
3:41:57 Remember when Loki showed up to Earth? And he changed his appearance at will in full view of large crowds... even replicated himself a number of times in front of them... it's good YOU remember, because the Marvel writers sure as hell forgot...
Here’s the thing about living space for the Skrulls: According to a quick google search, in order to live self sufficiently and comfortably a person would need 5-6 acres of land. If skrulls are comparable to humans that means that at most the skrulls would need 6,000,000 acres of land. That is less than the size of the 6th smallest US state, Vermont. And for comparison, the city of Manhattan is only 15,000 acres and is home to 1,600,000 people. All it would take is one large city in the middle of nowhere US and the skrulls could live by themselves.
To add to the hilarity of this, they already live in Russia, you know, the nation so vast and large there are entire towns that go unaccounted for? A land where most of the population lives on less than half the nation and where you can find entire towns and even (industrial)cities abandoned and empty with old but still workable facilities for self sufficiency. And considering the tech levels of the MCU I'm surprised they couldn't just settle in a giant raft in the ocean or found a nation among the fluid borders post-snap like Asgard did
@@essexclass8168😂 why don't we just build a station on our moon or something? Drop them on Mars? They can work on building up their own world or something while we help them out and go "Alright guys see ya"
Secret Timestamps Invasion 0:00 No Better Name For Technical Inconvenience 0:44 AI Generation 8:08 Jedi Brooks 12:13 The MCU 30:08 Homeworks 32:27 The Concept 34:05 Exposition-man 37:47 Maria Hill 39:23 The Slow Chase 43:03 The Intro 45:50 Fury Arrives 51:08 The Nuclear Plant 52:34 Dreykov 54:30 The AAR & The Plan 1:04:52 Government, Shield, Sword & Saber 1:09:04 President 1:11:25 The First Kidnapping Of Fury 1:12:00 The Best Character In The Show 1:16:20 Lenght & Budget 1:18:42 Next on EFAP Movies: The Descent 1:20:58 Budget 1:33:10 Rags, Lags, Coffee & Tangents 1:38:05 Moscow, Moskah, Mos-Cow 1:40:36 Identification 1:50:16 Identity 1:53:39 Mechanics, Logistics & Morality 2:09:41 Spy Cam 2:10:42 Team Skrull 2:13:06 The Big Day 2:19:09 Fight & Showdown 2:21:26 The Plan 2:23:11 Can't Stop The Bomb 2:25:14 The Problem Of The Show 2:26:41 Fury Enters Into A Bar... 2:32:30 Fury & Hill 2:35:20 The Clips 2:42:17 Gravik & The Double Cross 2:47:24 An Explosive Finale 2:50:46 The Death Of Maria Hill (Maybe) 2:58:13 Cpt Marvel Catch Up & Skrulls '97 3:05:03 An Explosive Start 3:06:24 The Second Kidnapping Of Fury 3:08:37 The Train 3:37:00 Maria Hill's Funeral 3:39:19 News 3:43:40 Fury Sucks 3:45:18 Skrull Council 4:05:19 History Of The Skrulls 4:07:07 Extremely Experimental Secret Science Project 4:08:49 The Hearing 4:14:30 Fury & Roadie 4:21:00 The ADR Scene 4:21:37 Roadie & Nick 4:33:05 Nick Fury Cries 4:37:57 Olivia Coleman 4:40:41 The Art Of Torture 4:43:24 Identifying Skrulls 4:48:00 Investigation 4:49:35 Olivia Coleman's Amazing Torture Techniques Ep.1 4:51:31 Rescue Mission 4:57:30 A Skrull Wife 4:58:50 Episode 3 & Coping 4:59:58 The Changing Men & The Mechanics 5:02:52 The Super Skrull & The Plane Plan 5:05:45 The Furys 5:12:00 A Really Awful Scene 5:14:28 JLongbone 5:16:09 Spotting The Liar 5:18:00 Talos & Glavick 5:30:58 The Van 5:31:52 Talos & Fury 5:33:16 A Busy Woman 5:34:20 Fury's Death Scene 5:47:08 Incursion 5:50:07 How They Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb 6:01:44 Fake Death 6:03:47 Fury's Wife 6:05:10 Disparu 6:08:34 Episode 4 6:10:56 Fury & Wife 6:13:40 Roadie & Wife 6:18:00 Like A Russian 6:19:14 Father & Daughter 6:25:08 Mr & Ms Fury 6:36:44 Skroadie The Alcoholic 6:48:35 The Writer & The Dialogue 6:51:50 Tracked 6:55:17 Attack On The President 7:10:58 Talos' Death 7:21:12 The President 7:21:32 Skrull HQ 7:24:37 Hospital Confrontation 7:28:02 Wanted 7:28:31 Olivia Coleman's Amazing Torture Techniques Ep.2 7:30:20 Ambush 7:33:24 Death of A Father 7:35:36 Olivia Coleman's MCU Potential 7:37:46 Guardians 3 & The MCU 7:42:54 Hostage 7:46:59 Daenerys & Wife 7:48:47 Skroadie & The President 7:50:13 Phone Call 7:51:10 Familiar Face 7:52:27 The Funeral 7:53:40 Skrull Mechanics 7:55:50 A Little Chat 8:00:02 Incursion 8:04:25 Olivia Coleman & Fury 8:08:40 The Harvest 8:12:07 The Reason 8:16:12 The Final Episode 8:17:06 Reshoots 8:17:37 Disguise 8:18:20 To Nuke Or Not To Nuke 8:21:10 Fake Fury 8:22:53 Panic 8:25:00 Gravic Speech 8:28:39 The Turn 8:31:31 Responsabilities 8:35:33 The Big Delay 8:39:00 All The Powers 8:43:27 Quick Update 8:44:14 The Final Showdown 9:01:04 Super Daenerys, Mother Of Marvel 9:05:16 Skroadie's Death 9:06:00 Breaker Of Chains 9:07:07 Roadie's List Of Lost Moments 9:14:23 Question Time 9:15:11 Radioactive 9:16:03 Roadie: Past, Present & Future 9:17:50 Consequences 9:23:42 FemFury & FemTalos 9:24:41 Thousands 9:26:00 World Paranoia 9:28:08 Tre President 9:33:07 Writing: Surprise, Methods & Future 9:36:39 Legacy & Ending 9:38:40 Spiral 9:41:14 Press Release 9:52:26 Requirements 9:54:39 Projection 9:57:00 Next Steps 9:58:24 Comments 10:03:44 Loki 10:04:22 Coping & Awakening 10:06:35 Picture Of Joy 10:11:24 Apathy 10:12:52 Connections 10:16:40 Closing 10:17:50 Jedi Brooks 10:21:48 Rags 10:22:31 Fringy 10:22:42 Coming Up Next... On This Channel!
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The biggest retcon in the show is that in original Captain Marvel, it was “Captain Marvel” herself who promised to give the Skrulls new settlement, not Nick Fury. But of course, nobody is gonna hold Carol accountable for her failure. Also, if Fury was such a shitty human being for breaking his promise that it justified Skrulls committing mass murders and tried to genocide the whole world, why is it totally fine to downright heroic that the Wakandans broke their promise about giving the vibranium to the world and it’s those countries’ fault for being mad at them?
@@samwallaceart288Isn’t it just interesting how Disney is painting genocidal ethnostates as misunderstood good guys. Hell they even paint them as outright the good guys at times.
if the Skrulls are the kind of people who think not quickly fulfilling a promise of the magnitude of 'find us a new homeland on a potentially hostile alien planet' justifies any of this bullshit, the universe is frankly better off without them fuck 'em, they're selfish psychopaths
@@samwallaceart288and black widow promised to free all the widows and wat about the people in Westview are they ok? And wat is the tva doing about all this is the Kevin robot still in charge of all of th out come I mean the Kevin robot can write history right
Captain Marvel handed over Earth to the Skrulls on a silver platter with them plotting this invasion for decades. I'm sure the new Marvels film will in no way mention how she screwed over humanity.
this show is fundamentally broken, if fury really worked with the skrulls for the amount of time that the show tells you, he would have plan after plan for every kind of situation involving them. he would know their weaknesses, how to identify them, how to deal with them and who to call for help, but since they needed him to be incompetent, he doesn't have any of that. if this was the old nick fury this show would have been categorized as "horror" instead of a spy drama because that's what the skrulls would have felt.
And that wouldn't just be Fury facerolling the Skrulls, either. There would be intrigue as Fury involved other people in his plans and made sure that they weren't Skrulls. Things would go wrong, and Fury would have to adapt in gripping fashion. But no, he's over 40 and has a Y chromosome, so it's into the trash can he goes.
There’d have been an Order-66 in place, probably even a bioweapon genetically engineered to target Skrull DNA. That’s what I don’t buy about this series: CA Winter Soldier Fury had multiple Helicarrier gun platforms with the ability to target specific individuals, and he was totally ok with having them. You’d think he’d have factored in that making judgement calls that 100 shapeshifting spies could easily embedded themselves in all operational roles. Retcons suck generally, this whole Skrull refugees as spies for 30 yrs is a next level retcon beyond just minor aspects.
Yeeeep. Even if Fury only saw an Skrull once. He'd still have Shapeshifter protocols. And weren't there Skrull bodies left behind in the wake of Captain Marvel's Roaring Rampage? It's been 30 years! Humanity has enough tech and bio material to grow artificial Skrulls in a lab. No way Fury can't detect them. The plot should be that the Skrulls developed some sort of counter measure to the detection method. Which gave them just enough of an advantage to catch Fury by surprise ONCE. And then never again.
And don't forget that the show itself seems to undermine that in its FIRST episode, by saying that the best way for Skrulls to go undetected is by sticking to one form. Effectively making them ON THE SAME LEVEL AS HUMANS. The Skrulls couldn't have been the entire basis of Fury's successful career. By the show's own logic -- I'm sorry I'm repeating myself, it's just so monumentally _stupid_ I'm struggling to fully process it.
The moral of the story The Kree was right all along for trying to genocide the whole Skrull race. Captain Marvel got tricked by the Skrulls because they played victims so well and then made a huge mistake by saving them.
Kinda makes you wonder what happened to make the Skrulls so universally despised across...well, the universe, that it was impossible for them to openly settle on any world. Then again, they spent the last two and a half decades subverting world governments before deciding to wipe out the human race, so maybe we know _exactly_ the sort of thing the Skrull were up to.
One of the worst parts of this show that doesnt get mentioned is when they are doing the whole race baiting conversation with Rhodey and Fury and they refer to Alexander Pierce as a mediocre white man. The Message aside, Pierce and Fury's relationship is from Winter Soldier. It was one of the best parts of a great film. Mutual respect and friendship that blows up with the revelation of his involvement in Hydra. Even at the end, neither seem to hate one another. They have similar goals and willingness to do anything to achieve them - just opposite ends of spectrum. Pierce regrets everything he had to do to his friend, but believes in his cause and what needs to be done. All this complexity in just one film that ends with Fury having to kill what looks like his only friend and only person he really trusted. All reduced to a mediocre white man line in a race baiting scene. Whats worse is that he's been blipped for 5 years and didnt have any chance to really process this at any point in time. It's not like he just moved on. He has to be completely torn up and conflicted about this relationship. Was he always evil? Was he neve rhis friend? Was any of it real? Could he have saved him? How did he not see any of it in all this time? Was killing each other the only way out of it? So many questions should conflict the super spy, always one eye opened, always prepared, etc Nick Fury. And he calls him a fucking medicore white man.
You want too much character depth for a black character. These anti-racist progressive writers know that complexity isn't what audiences wants. They want shallow rage-bait lines to own the chuds on Twitter! 🙃
Strongly agree, and would even go farther: the statement reflects a world view that is totally innapropriate for the characters to have. That is, Fury, and indeed everyone in the general super-person world, is well aware in the post-Winter Soldier era that Pierce came within, what, minutes of achieving Project Insight? He almost put Hydra (and thus himself) as the supreme power on Earth. It's fair to say Pierce is evil, a schemer and an out and out murder, but... mediocre? How? Like, in what sense of the word is the head of Hydra, who wormed his way into the highest levels of power in both the USA and internationally, mediocre? It's the kind of thing you expect to hear from a High Schooler that just discovered Marxism, not a statement from the premier spy on the planet.
Here's your seasonal reminder that Animorphs, a series of books written for, and marketed to, *children* has a more mature and nuanced understanding and depiction of a race of identity stealing aliens engaging in a shadow war than this quadgillion dollar series.
4:46:00 these are the exact same rules from the anime "parasyte: the maxim". In that show parasites invade specific humans and news gets out about it. It then becomes popular for people to greet each other by pulling out one of the other persons strand of hair
What I find funny is that Parasyte was written around and first published in 1988. A piece of fiction written over 30 years ago already thought about this more in depth. You would think they would do basic research on other stories with shapeshifting. Parasyte is up there as one of the best to read or watch. Kind of shows that story telling is getting worse. That show really nails how I believe shapeshifting aliens would behave. Devoid of emotion and completely logical.
Skrulls are Winter Soldiers but with shapeshifting and the ability to steal memories. Hydra had 1 winter soldier and still managed to crush Fury and SHIELD. The same Fury with an undetected spy network of faceless everybodies.
It's really sad how quickly the MCU went from "Wow i wonder what cool thing from the comics theyll reference in this story!" To "Ugh, what cool thing from the comics are they gonna desecrate now?!"
The Secret Invasion storyline was done really competently in a kids show from 2010 called Avengers: Earths Mightiest Heroes. Over the course of two seasons the skrulls kidnap members of the Avengers and the Fantastic 4, and the revelation of a mole in the Avengers by a rogue Nick Fury splits up the team and causes some genuinely great character drama. That show was awesome and I’d recommend it to anyone who likes the Marvel property and wants to see these storylines done better. Better version of Carol Danvers, too.
It's honestly just done the MCU better than the current MCU. It's probably because they gave a damn. Like they cared about the story, they cared about the characters and the history. It was great.
Haven't watched that show, my point of reference is X-Men. Always. Mystique is one shapeshifter and the amount of surprises they pack into the movies and the animated series from the early 2000s is just so cool. Meanwhile, here you have an army of shapeshifters and it is so damned predictable who's not the real person. Nothing frustrates me more as a writer who did not realise the potential of what they were working with let alone realising it in a creative fashion.
If Agents of Shield is canon, Coulson is a better spy than Fury ever could have hoped to be. Fury rose the ranks of Shield because he had a magical shape shifting spy army at his disposal. Coulson rebuilt the entirety of shield from the ground up using his small team of people, working entirely under the radar, even building new helicarriers, all without any government assistance, and no alien help either. Oh, and while Fury lost an eye to a cat, Coulson lost his arm to an axe his friend swung through it to stop the terrigen mist from killing him in a split second decision to save his life. If Agents of Shield is canon, and secret invasion is canon, Fury is playing second fiddle to his own assistant.
@@robonator2945 Unfortunately, Loki and the TVA made it impossible for Agents of Shield to be canon. They end up diverging into an alternate timeline and we all know that's a big no-no.
@@Zepher0987 well apparently you CAN actually time travel and have it be part of the sacred timeline, so in theory it could be canon, but in any case I wouldn't really expect the entire thing to be canon, probably not much past the original clairvoyant/hydra storyline or *_maaaaaabye_* the inhuman arc. (really just so they can use Inhumans without ever having to awknowledge the shitty inhumans show) Once you start getting lady terminators, fear dimensions, and alien archival bots I don't really think canonicity is likely at that point.
@@robonator2945 … don’t you miss the grounded days of robot suits, science experiments, and Asgardians that mostly didn’t give a shit about us? It used to be so much simpler
There was absolutely no reason given why the tortured Skrull didn’t actually break out of his chains or shift into a smaller person to slip out of the chains or even a small animals.
Something that MIGHT have helped the story, is if the Skrull who Captain marvel and Fury helped, were refugees not just from the war with the Kree, but from their own Government. You can have something like the 'Skrull Collective' and when the story begins, they are on the uptake and are rebuilding their Empire after the war with the Kree. They spot Earth and learn that the 'traitors' have fled there. Now, not only would the protagonists not know who is Human or Skrull, but even the Skrull wouldn't know who is a Refugee and who is a special agent, sent to destabilize Earth for conquest. In the meantime, Fury is caught in the cross fire, the American Government thinking he might be in league with the alien invasion or is compromised somehow.
wait let me get this straight, this show says black people can't do anything on their own because they're black, and then they also say fury didn't accomplish anything, everything was thanks to the skrulls? bruh, i think at this point you could easily argue the writers are racist.
There are some real heavy-handed stereotypes in there, and the simple fact that the writer hates Fury with such a passion that he doesn't let Fury have any cool moments does lend credence to it.
It's the "Weak Black Man"-syndrome caused by the fact that they want to have all male characters be black but also want all male characters to be pathetic. They doubled down on virtue-signaling so hard they went the opposite direction. Think of people like Finn in Star Wars.
It reminds me of this exchange, except that this show is doing it seriously and not as a joke or with any self-awareness. Kirk Lazarus : All right fellas, we're gonna make camp, rest up. Y'all might be in for a treat. You know back before the war broke out I was a saucier in San Antone. I bet I could collar up some of them greens, yeah, some crawfish out the paddy, yo'! Ha! I'm makin' some crabapples for dessert now, yo! Hell yeah, ha! Alpa Chino : [mocking Kirk] Hell yeah! Ha! That's how we all talk? We all talk like dis, "suh"? Yes suh, ha! Yeah mmm-hmm get some crawfish, and some ribs, ha! Ye-aah. You're Australian! Be Australian! Excuse me, Kangaroo Jack! [hops away like a kangaroo]
2:00:06 I just find it hilarious that Don Cheadle has a brother who is NEARLY the twin of him... and they didn't ONCE use him in this show to have a "Spiderman pointing at each other" meme scene...
9:15:37 Couldn’t help but think about the scene from Robin Hood: Men in Tights when his castle gets towed away and finds out his family died from pneumonia, dog run over by a carriage, goldfish, eaten by the cat, and the cat choked on the goldfish. Can’t believe what they did to this character
Every time a skrull in disguise is shot in the show, we see rating-friendly purple blood splatters. This leads me to believe the equipment you need to test for being a skrull is any sharp needle or other pointy object
...while extorting them At this point Coulson deserves to run shield more than Fury does, and he did it more fucking successfully. Coulson literally rebuilt Shield from the ground up without his slave spy network.
@@robonator2945 Marvel really disrespect a black man by gaslighting us that all of Fury’s accomplishments are a lie. And even tell Fury not to rewrite history. What a shameless studio disrespecting legacy character.
@@nont18411and then the people they say deserve all the credit are inept bumblefucks that keep getting spotted and recognized immediately even though they can shapeshift
@@spendsshanks6050 The amount of clout, Drinker has is nothing short of impressive. So many youtubers would give their left nut to speak to guys like Russell Crowe.
This show retcons a lot about Nick Fury, but I think the one thing that gets to me is that Fury apparently was raised by a single mother, when he mentioned having a father in Winter Soldier. But I guess that's just another stereotype Disney wants to get out of the way: a shitty husband born from a broken family, who takes advantage of an alien race desperate for a home, and takes advantage of his employees. The destruction of Nicholas J. Fury in this show was fucking *_surgical,_* and it was all done to put Crazy Poppins in his role of Super Spy.
You can't expect the writers to actually watch the other movies. Or even do a simple google search to let fans do their research for them. What are you a nazi?
Is Nick Fury the first in the MCU to be so throughly destroyed, front back and side to side? Luke, Leia, and Han still had their past. Nick Fury wasn’t even allowed that much with this show.
in what episode/scene was the single mother thing mentioned? Also in winter soldier, specifically the elevator on the way down to the helicarriers, he says "grandad" not father.
JLongs laugh is up there with Moriartys. So full of joy. Also really enjoyed Jedibrooks, heard him on Open Bar and subscribed. Nice to have a guest that isn’t too timid to talk.
Delivery of "The Americans Against Russia Organization" at 54:30 just kills me. Granted, not every organization needs a fancy name, but repeated thrice it sounds silly, especially when Rags just cannot believe Mauler.
Speaking of infiltration, an outfit that calls itself "The Americans Against Russia Association" may as well hang a sign on their door reading "To the Feds: Please riddle us with undercover agents. Thank you."
@@nox5555 id assume its the fsb. Using the "americans against russia" organization to stoke internal fears of the americans. Though the cia et al would also be involved.
Funny how they pick as pretty much the only pre-existing Skrull character, the half cybernetic mutant warrior Skrull Talos the Untamed, who appeared in literally three stories and whose most notable characteristic is HE CAN'T SHAPESHIFT!
Maria Hill is the person I thought was going to take over when Fury "died" in Winter Soldier. She would re-organize Shield, or make a new organization while also still reporting to Fury who would be working in the shadows.
@samwallaceart288 The M She U is shockingly terrible at utilizing the actually popular female characters but loves creating bad female characters. It's like how the writing got more racist with the black characters than it was back in 2008. The franchise is going backwards in their progressive messages.
@@hope-cat4894 they couldn't deal with a complicated, competent but morally ambiguous character like Maria Hill, despite the fact that you can't argue people really actually like those kind of characters.....
if you want to watch something like that watch Agents of Shield. Slightly spoilery but : after Hydra is revealed as being inside of shield Coulson works with Fury to take down the Clairvoyant, a high ranking Hydra organizer who was always aware of things they shouldn't have been. They were so secretive that even describing their voice, in any capacity, would net you a death sentence. After Fury parts ways with Coulson again, he gives Coulson a vibranium cube, no larger than a one of those fluffy novelty dice. That cube was a full backup of Shield's archives, all of their safe houses, all of their information, etc. So, working with his team and the information on that cube, Coulson rebuilt shield from the ground up (even having a few civil wars along the way) on his own, with his team and a handful of disparate Shield agents still loyal to the original cause. By the end the show does start to go a bit wildly off the rails, so I doubt they could say the entire thing is canon, but if Coulson walked in and said "hey guys" he would quite literally be a better Shield operative than Fury ever was if this show is canon. He rebuilt the entirety of Shield from the ground up on his own with his tiny rag tag team, whereas Fury just rose the ranks of the pre-existing Shield using his little skrull spy army he extorted.
I had no idea this show even started airing, much less finished. That is so depressing, the MCU used to be an event to look forward to every year, and now shit for it comes out and ends without people even hearing about it.
When the presidential motorcade gets ambushed, if you look behind the first vehicle that gets blown up you can briefly see Air Force One, so that took place just outside the airport, where you'd think they'd be able to detect incoming helicopter assault teams on RADAR.
The MCU made their own version of Perfect Cell, and she's probably going to have less of an impact on the world than Rhodey did. She doesn't have to work with Sonya, she could have easily blown her head off in that alleyway and gone about her business. The only thing that could stop her would be She-Hulk paying K.E.V.I.N. a visit.
No, see, perfect cell was involved in something, Gohans ssj2 transformation, that was badass and is regarded as being great decades later. This will be looked back on and seen as a fucking dumpster fire. Comparing perfect cell to this is an insult to the genocidal bug android.
@crimsonking440 I think it's the perfect comparison to make; Cell was created with the DNA of all of the strongest fighters from DB up to the Android Saga of DBZ which was done over a long time, and the Super Skrull was also created with the DNA of the strongest fighters of the MCU. The problem is that most of the powers the Super Skrull stole aren't biological, so they shouldn't have those powers. The reason why the Super Skrull worked in the comics is because they had the powers of the Fantastic Four, whose powers *_were_* directly related to their DNA.
@@grandarkfang_1482 Well, yeah, all thats true. If you wanna use facts and shit. Im just saying one is cool and the other never can be, at least in the MCU.
Highly recommend reading the comics. Back when everyone had to EARN the damned paycheque. I'm a DC guy, and I still highly recommend Secret Invasion comics for anyone who cares for some good political thriller action. Also, a bonus, Iron Man, Captain America and Hulk are all in there. Unlike this stupid excuse of a show.
"Captain America couldn't rip a chain off a door" Uh, Captain America was so strong he was able to stop a helicopter from taking off to the point Bucky thought it was more advantageous to try and smash it to kill Steve rather than continuing to take off. Steve absolutely could rip a chain off a door. Just because he prefers to use a tool, his shield, to break them while expending less energy doesn't mean he couldn't do it.
If Skrulls can use photos to mimic someone's appearance couldn't they just mine social media for aliases? Like, look up a bunch of French people and adopt their appearances. You'd be pretty unlikely to run into them in Russia or America. Also on the subject of photorealistic drawings being unviable for Skrullification, what about photos with a filter applied? Does altering a photo make it unusable to a Skrull? Can the Skrull powers tell if someone had coloured contacts in and stop them for transforming? What about hair dye?
I think they should also be able to just stare out a window... that seems way more practical to copy a random face/body morphology, especially blending a face or swapping hair color. Or using a series of caps and jackets to 'browse' faces in a crowd. other Scifi trope shapeshifters like Mystique / Odo as shapeshifters ... seem to be less capable, because they can't copy memories. From memory of the Captain Marvel Skrulls, they were able to walk into a train and copy ... everything, including clothing. Of course, the theme is they aren't aliens, they mimic. Probably because ... "Actors", more than Aliens that can change eye color or hair color on demand. Don't even ask how they change clothing. This would also mean, Skrulls walk around Naked. Rhodes is a naked skrull woman. Apparently since Civil War ... just strolling around naked.
@@Toliman."I have horrible news for you, people: Humans everywhere are being kidnapped and replaced by alien Shapeshifters!" "Oh no! How horrible!" "But it is even worse. Not only are we all being replaced by alien Shapeshifters, we are being replaced by *naked* alien Shapeshifters!" "Eew!" "Horrible!" "Disgusting!" "Yes, it is true. I have seen it myself. They are able to mimic our clothes." "That's absolutely unacceptable! Now, copying mah face and takin' over mah life is one thing....but ah draw the line at walking around without pants in public! We can't let these alien nudists continue with their indecent behavior. Betty! Get me mah shotgun! We got some extraterrestrial perverts to hunt! "
Even more with a nuclear power plant, these things are MASSIVE and need to be built next to large bodies of water. The infrastructure and personnel demands it be noticeable
To add on, nuclear plants, to some degree, are regulated by international entities. If the plant had a decommissioned breeder reactor for making weapons grade material back in the day, there would be inspections to confirm the plant doesn't come back online. Nuclear reactor sites don't 'drop off the books'.
The fact that Korg was on the list of DNA that Fury collected is a nice microcosm of how badly written the show is. Firstly, it’s _Korg._ No wonder nobody seems to respect Fury anymore. In a post-Thanos world, he dedicated resources to collecting DNA from _fecking_ _Korg._ Second, he’s made of _rocks._ Where is there even any DNA to collect? And yes, we know from the movies that he’s rock all the way through. We saw another of his race get obliterated in Thor 2, and he was nothing but rock. Korg should have about as much DNA as a cinderblock. It makes about as much sense for him to be on that list as Cap’s shield or Thor’s hammer.
How would you discern a Korg stone from literally any other piece of debris on that battlefield? Also, I was thinking the same thing about Groot. How do you get a tree's DNA?
@@thejemstone9219 Unlike rocks, but like animals and fungi, plants are alive and have cells with nuclei containing DNA. I imagine it’s harder to get DNA from a tree or other plant than an animal because their cells have cell walls while animal cells don’t, but it’s entirely possible and has been done. Another thought though, DNA isn’t something intrinsic to the universe or atoms or something, it’s a specific type of molecule that evolved here on Earth. So another question is why do aliens with evolutionary histories completely isolated from Earth and each other have DNA as opposed to having different but analogous molecules or being fundamentally structured completely differently from life on Earth.
the first 5 episodes having everyone say Fury is old and shit now could have worked if in ep 6 he uno reverse trap carded everyone and took everyone down in ways no one expected.
I was hoping that with Loki tbh, he played dumb throughout the series and then suddenly tricked everyone at the end, almost like he was meant to be a God of deceit and trickery or something... but no he was just a moron all along according to the show...
According to Disney, men are not allowed to have satisfying arcs anymore. Only women are. Jeez, just mass boycott entire Disney at this point, come on people...
95% of all stories involving shape-shifting life-forms invading a human area, be it town, country, planet or otherwise, has been done infinity better than Nick Fury humiliation hour ever did
8:24:00 In Iron Man 3 they put Rhodey's suit on the president and the president can't use it. So I guess after Tony let Rhodey keep the suit he installed some sort of identification thing. Although if it's biometric, scrulls can copy fingerprints... though I have no idea how unless they study the fingers of Rhodey under microscope and memorise all details...
In fairness if it was genetic then they could replicate the fingerprints simply from the sample because the information is stored within the DNA itself.
@@Сайтамен They call it a shell, so it could be just an outer layer, although then why not do blood tests and stuff to prove it? Whichever way it is, it's messed up.
@@Capt.Thunderfingerprints are unique. Genetically identical twins have different fingerprints. You would not be able to replicate them with some DNA.
''Disney keeps remaking old stuff and buying everything. Everything is expensive, and yet their quality is rock bottom. Why are they even doing this?'' What are they supposed to do? Die?
To the thing that the people lost 10 years... It's so much worse. Imagine all the people that had sex with their spouses that are skrulls. They basically got raped by them, imagine all the damage that would deal to you.
@@Soapy-chan They did have your consent. It's not about them knowing if it was you. They still agreed to it. It might fall under another category of sexual assault but it's not rape. Like statutory rape, a child consents but well, children. This one will have a different name, probably with rape in front of it, but it'd still not fit into the definition.
They could easily deal with the “who is actually human” issue by having a wrist watch like device that scans or straight up displays your blood. Either the blood gets circulated back to the blood stream or read the blood and displays something to reveal it’s human blood. With a little extra work, this idea could work. But nough ...
9:54:15 - Exactly. I have been reading Star Trek behinds the scenes stuff, and often the directors and writers would mention how when they had to work on, say, an episode featuring a returning character from an older series, they would go and watch those episodes, or consult with the actor who played the character, or the old writers. Back then people had respect for what they worked on.
Since the guy's bitching about them being too long and indulgent I'd go with Mushoku Tensei season 1 where the intro's time is often used for longer episodes, just with the theme playing over it for a bit.
An easy solution for the Skrull thing would be that they have to study a person in order to become them and it becomes increasingly more difficult to maintain their appearance the more ones they have So they could maintain 1 appearance perfectly but 2 or more and they start to have difficulty Explains why most never switch
I'm really surprised that they didn't talk about the really stupid scene at the end of episode 1 where Fury follows Gravic around. For no reason Gravic just stares at Fury dead in the eye as he walks behind things to shapeshift which just immediately blows his cover to Fury each time. Why the hell would anyone really obviously stare at the person they're trying to hide from?! Also just because he shapeshifts out of Fury's line of sight doesn't mean that no one else in this huge crowd wouldn't notice him shapeshifting like 3 times!
I just realized something is it possible for doctor strange to do that one spell to make the skrulls forget they are skrulls? Had that thought after remembering reading that one comic of the Fantastic four meeting the skrulls. And I believe they beat them and brainwash them into thinking they are cows.
So not sure if anyone else pointed it out, but there was something missed regarding pov Skrull with his fur hat. The fact he's always wearing that hat (as you guys discussed) heavily implies it is part of his disguise and thus part of him. If you go back to episode 1 when he arrives at Skrullex, he takes it off and holds it like a normal hat in his hand.
Marvel just can‘t seem to make an enjoyable script for a movie or show. How hard can it be? Just hire talented writers, let Kevin give them SOME restrictions (these couple characters aren‘t allowed to die, rest is fair game etc) and respect beloved characters. It is actually a feat in itself to have literally everything going for you and STILL somehow fumbling it all: amazing talent, an almost infinite pool of money and great amounts of quality source material to base this off of (with some fitting changes for the continuity of the MCU of course). Can‘t imagine there was a time where I watched almost every MCU related show and movie (even the Netflix ones) multiple times and nowadays I can barely make myself watch it. Edit: Sorry for my bad english, not a native speaker
Kevin gives thme restrictions. It’s the notes he passes. The problem is they’re shit notes and low tier writers can’t try to salvage that into soemthing usable
They won't. They've built their personalities around hating anime. It's like with Red Letter Media and their weird relstionship with the Star Wars prequels
@@matthiuskoenig3378yeah but if rags has to fight something then there’s nobody to stop it, unless it’s something minor and unimportant then maybe fringy will disagree. But if it’s clearly just him being a jackass he’s gotta be left to himself
Episode 6 really is like the Exodia of bad writing. Episodes 1 - 5 were each a limb and that final episode was the completed monstrosity, come to break your brain and somehow lower my expectations for the MCU even lower still.
I don’t blame Emilia Clarke for her plank mode. Emily Blunt said she is tired of reading a script and seeing her role is “Strong Female Character”. She said whenever she saw that in a script, she knew she would be playing stoic, unemotional woman which isn’t fun. Emilia Clarke keeps getting cast into these roles...
If you fish in a swamp, you'll catch a gator. She is big enough to say "let me see the script" before accepting a role. I feel for her having to play "unfun" roles but I'm sure the money she makes is fun enough to try
Is this like when you were playing with action figures, but you took the arms off and attached the arms/weapons off of other characters, and then made them fight with your other figures?
The funniest thing about the great escape is that camp had a pool, ball courts, a cinema, it was basically summer camp compared to their usual atrocities, which makes it even MORE impressive they escaped instead of just relaxing til the war was over 😂
Watching through the finale fight in slow-motion is the most insane thing I’ve ever watched in my life. MCU movies/shows seem to have devolved into Patton Oswalt’s Star Wars filibuster-tier concepts where everything including the kitchen sink is thrown in there
3:49:08 "Why do these people write these things if they have no interest in the concept?" They're interested in using this comic book concept as an allegory for IRL migrants and their willingness (or lack thereof) to assimilate. They're interested in using this IP to wag a finger down at their audience. That's it. Depicting the Skrulls doing sci-fi things that IRL migrants can't do doesn't help to serve that allegory.
1:54:55 Something else that does that sort of thing (although through different circumstances) is Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2, where the start of it is based around the fact that every clone being made of Vader's Apprentice from the original game eventually ends up going mad to some extent because - unlike the Fett clones in the Prequels - all the memories of the person they were cloned from dumped in their minds which results in specific memories emerging in uncontrollable and debilitating flashes. Not exactly the same as the RvB example and the story is TFU2's weakest element but at least it attempted to explore issues and implications of having someone else's memories alongside your own unlike Secret Invasion.
7:08:15 Just a little detail, the Groot vines seem to be getting hit by bullets there, which means the secret service guys are shooting at their own man.
Considering how Fury is in this series and in the captain marvel movie, it would make a lot more sense if the fury we saw in all the avenger movies was thalos😂
I cannot wait for the Ai videos of Wes Anderson’s Secret Invasion starring: Timothy Chalamet, Bill Murray, Lea Seydoux, Tilda Swinton, MauLer, George Clooney, Ralph Fiennes, Tony Revolori, Adrian Brody, Owen Wilson and Jeffrey Wright as Nicholas Fury Jr.
8:42:21 They got DNA from a rock?! From a person literally made out of stone?! This was written by a five year old. I'm actually shocked that they didn't put Iron Man on that list and have them summon fully functional Iron Man suits at will.
Before MCU and streaming dominance, 3-6 new films were released to theaters on a weekly basis across all genres. "Low budget" comedies, dramas, horror, and action movies could turn a profit without a $300 million opening weekend.
BTW, I don't know if you fellows remember DS9, but when they had a war with the changelings, they set up a protocol to draw a bit of blood tomake sure ppl were who they say they were. Pretty easy and logical.
@@TheFatalcrest The changelings always had a workaround since they had been infiltrating societies for over 10000 years, only odo lacked the knowledge of how to subvert it. This was the theme of the defenses the federation employed. They were all based on odos incomplete abilities and the changelings could bypass them all. This is why section 31 went with a method that couldn't be avoided.
9:08:21 but don’t forget, it only happened cause Kang demanded it happened. If the skrull who kidnapped Rhodey didn’t want to, he would be sent to the end of time and eaten by the purple fort cloud
when you thought it couldn't get worse from Falcon/Winter Soldier. After the light elf used illusions to impersonate a judge in the middle of a trial and extorted people there would be an entire school of law devoted to laws against shapeshifting
If you want a TV show that did the shapeshifter thing, and the paranoia it would instill, and did it over multiple episodes, and did it RIGHT, you want Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
On the subject of lying dogs, I had a dachshund years ago. When we tried to put him outside he'd slowly crawl forward dragging his back legs like something was wrong with him. And when you yelled at him to get out he'd just run outside with zero issues.
“I am ALL the Skrulls!”
“And I… am all the Avengers!”
This whole "Nick Fury broke his promise" backstory is literally because the writers of Captain Marvel screwed up by having the Skrulls be the misunderstood good guys. They cared more about making them a refugee allegory despite them becoming genocidal maniacs in Secret Invasion. Sticking with the comics would have saved them a huge headache.
I genuinely wonder if the 'theme' they were aiming for was an attack on Obama. Like, the writers are trying to make Fury an Obama surrogate and the story is supposed to be some kind of 'you promised a tonne of stuff but it never happened' message.
"sticking with the comics would've saved them a huge headache." is how you can describe basically the whole MCU if I'm being honest. some diversion is ok, you can't tell a characters full story that's been going for 50 years plus in just a few hours.
But by phase 3 the set-ups were already ruined because they strayed too far.
@@casbynessI'm just waiting for the writers to go full mask-off and have Black Panther 3 be a full-on Helter-Skelter race war where all white men are genocided while all the white women side with the superior black men.
Jesus, they would basically become white supremacists.
@@casbynessAs if Hollywood would EVER touch Obama negatevly, he is a Saint for them.
@@casbyness see the issue there is the show is critical of Nick Fury, but marvel at this point is drinking so much koolaid even Utgard-Loki would need to refill the horn for them. The concept that any democratic leader could possibly be in any way flawed is a concept I frankly don't believe anyone at marvel could possibly entertain without blue-screening, geeting beach-balled, or having their kernel bail out on them
I looked this up the minute I heard Nick say “no one calls me Nick”.
There are 21 instances of people referring to him just as “Nick”.
Tony, Steve, Natasha, Hill, and Pierce all call him Nick across Avengers, Age of Ultron, Infinity War, and Winter Soldier. It took me 5 minutes.
Way too much work. I hope you were at least paid 100 million in compensation
What do you want them to do, die?
that's more work than microwaving your own nuggies these writers aren't doing that
I can literally hear Natasha calling him Nick in my mind as i read this.
His name is literally Nick Fury...
10 hours. Thank God, a real efap
Yeah about time!
10 hours of fapping has left me scared and disfigured.
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But my toxicity has never been stronger!
@@UmbraMan1 All hail the Toxicity
Seriously!!! It's not an Efap if it isn't more hours than a regular work shift lol
The truth is that it wasn't Fury that failed the Skrulls, it was actually Joel from TLOU2. He failed them. He's responsible for everything.
Joel didn’t kill Abby’s dad. It was the Skrulls who did it and Joel took the credit because “Joel is useless without them”.
Ellies Gay by the way
HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
Dear God xDD I just today finished TLOU and started playing Part II
Took me by surprise xD
😂☠️🤠
I love how in retrospect captain marvel was actually the villain of her own movie, stopping the kree from saving the universe from those Skrull monsters😂
That was never in question
I mean she hurt the don she was always the villain
She always was the villain of her own movie.
So is Carol Danvers mentioned once in this show? You know... the person that actually went with the Skrulls looking for a new planet and failed tremendously?
No, that didnt happen. Carol danver just evaporated and fury had to take care of em
@@dodojesus4529 Thanks. That explains this stupid retcon completely! Can't wait for Carol to not acknowledge anything that happened with the Skrulls in the Marvels ;)
Since when did the MCU hold their heroines accountable for their actions?
The woman who actually has the power to find them 10 planets per week. But she's "busy" on "infinite planets". Classic unaccountability.
@@samwallaceart288let’s not forget she just managed to save Tony and Nebula who were stranded near Jupiter (I think it was Jupiter?) at the end of Infinity War.
Casually can travel multiple planets worth of space easily.
My god what her abilities could do to advance space exploration…
3:41:57 Remember when Loki showed up to Earth? And he changed his appearance at will in full view of large crowds... even replicated himself a number of times in front of them... it's good YOU remember, because the Marvel writers sure as hell forgot...
Here’s the thing about living space for the Skrulls:
According to a quick google search, in order to live self sufficiently and comfortably a person would need 5-6 acres of land.
If skrulls are comparable to humans that means that at most the skrulls would need 6,000,000 acres of land. That is less than the size of the 6th smallest US state, Vermont. And for comparison, the city of Manhattan is only 15,000 acres and is home to 1,600,000 people.
All it would take is one large city in the middle of nowhere US and the skrulls could live by themselves.
Well 'by themselves' they would still need to be supplied by humans for food/etc. Which they might not like.
@matthiuskoenig3378 they'd be supplied by humanity until they're self sufficient. Then they'll probably try and take over anyway
Essentially the Skrulls could live on a deserted Celestial head island?
To add to the hilarity of this, they already live in Russia, you know, the nation so vast and large there are entire towns that go unaccounted for?
A land where most of the population lives on less than half the nation and where you can find entire towns and even (industrial)cities abandoned and empty with old but still workable facilities for self sufficiency.
And considering the tech levels of the MCU I'm surprised they couldn't just settle in a giant raft in the ocean or found a nation among the fluid borders post-snap like Asgard did
@@essexclass8168😂 why don't we just build a station on our moon or something? Drop them on Mars? They can work on building up their own world or something while we help them out and go "Alright guys see ya"
Secret Timestamps Invasion
0:00 No Better Name For Technical Inconvenience
0:44 AI Generation
8:08 Jedi Brooks
12:13 The MCU
30:08 Homeworks
32:27 The Concept
34:05 Exposition-man
37:47 Maria Hill
39:23 The Slow Chase
43:03 The Intro
45:50 Fury Arrives
51:08 The Nuclear Plant
52:34 Dreykov
54:30 The AAR & The Plan
1:04:52 Government, Shield, Sword & Saber
1:09:04 President
1:11:25 The First Kidnapping Of Fury
1:12:00 The Best Character In The Show
1:16:20 Lenght & Budget
1:18:42 Next on EFAP Movies: The Descent
1:20:58 Budget
1:33:10 Rags, Lags, Coffee & Tangents
1:38:05 Moscow, Moskah, Mos-Cow
1:40:36 Identification
1:50:16 Identity
1:53:39 Mechanics, Logistics & Morality
2:09:41 Spy Cam
2:10:42 Team Skrull
2:13:06 The Big Day
2:19:09 Fight & Showdown
2:21:26 The Plan
2:23:11 Can't Stop The Bomb
2:25:14 The Problem Of The Show
2:26:41 Fury Enters Into A Bar...
2:32:30 Fury & Hill
2:35:20 The Clips
2:42:17 Gravik & The Double Cross
2:47:24 An Explosive Finale
2:50:46 The Death Of Maria Hill (Maybe)
2:58:13 Cpt Marvel Catch Up & Skrulls '97
3:05:03 An Explosive Start
3:06:24 The Second Kidnapping Of Fury
3:08:37 The Train
3:37:00 Maria Hill's Funeral
3:39:19 News
3:43:40 Fury Sucks
3:45:18 Skrull Council
4:05:19 History Of The Skrulls
4:07:07 Extremely Experimental Secret Science Project
4:08:49 The Hearing
4:14:30 Fury & Roadie
4:21:00 The ADR Scene
4:21:37 Roadie & Nick
4:33:05 Nick Fury Cries
4:37:57 Olivia Coleman
4:40:41 The Art Of Torture
4:43:24 Identifying Skrulls
4:48:00 Investigation
4:49:35 Olivia Coleman's Amazing Torture Techniques Ep.1
4:51:31 Rescue Mission
4:57:30 A Skrull Wife
4:58:50 Episode 3 & Coping
4:59:58 The Changing Men & The Mechanics
5:02:52 The Super Skrull & The Plane Plan
5:05:45 The Furys
5:12:00 A Really Awful Scene
5:14:28 JLongbone
5:16:09 Spotting The Liar
5:18:00 Talos & Glavick
5:30:58 The Van
5:31:52 Talos & Fury
5:33:16 A Busy Woman
5:34:20 Fury's Death Scene
5:47:08 Incursion
5:50:07 How They Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
6:01:44 Fake Death
6:03:47 Fury's Wife
6:05:10 Disparu
6:08:34 Episode 4
6:10:56 Fury & Wife
6:13:40 Roadie & Wife
6:18:00 Like A Russian
6:19:14 Father & Daughter
6:25:08 Mr & Ms Fury
6:36:44 Skroadie The Alcoholic
6:48:35 The Writer & The Dialogue
6:51:50 Tracked
6:55:17 Attack On The President
7:10:58 Talos' Death
7:21:12 The President
7:21:32 Skrull HQ
7:24:37 Hospital Confrontation
7:28:02 Wanted
7:28:31 Olivia Coleman's Amazing Torture Techniques Ep.2
7:30:20 Ambush
7:33:24 Death of A Father
7:35:36 Olivia Coleman's MCU Potential
7:37:46 Guardians 3 & The MCU
7:42:54 Hostage
7:46:59 Daenerys & Wife
7:48:47 Skroadie & The President
7:50:13 Phone Call
7:51:10 Familiar Face
7:52:27 The Funeral
7:53:40 Skrull Mechanics
7:55:50 A Little Chat
8:00:02 Incursion
8:04:25 Olivia Coleman & Fury
8:08:40 The Harvest
8:12:07 The Reason
8:16:12 The Final Episode
8:17:06 Reshoots
8:17:37 Disguise
8:18:20 To Nuke Or Not To Nuke
8:21:10 Fake Fury
8:22:53 Panic
8:25:00 Gravic Speech
8:28:39 The Turn
8:31:31 Responsabilities
8:35:33 The Big Delay
8:39:00 All The Powers
8:43:27 Quick Update
8:44:14 The Final Showdown
9:01:04 Super Daenerys, Mother Of Marvel
9:05:16 Skroadie's Death
9:06:00 Breaker Of Chains
9:07:07 Roadie's List Of Lost Moments
9:14:23 Question Time
9:15:11 Radioactive
9:16:03 Roadie: Past, Present & Future
9:17:50 Consequences
9:23:42 FemFury & FemTalos
9:24:41 Thousands
9:26:00 World Paranoia
9:28:08 Tre President
9:33:07 Writing: Surprise, Methods & Future
9:36:39 Legacy & Ending
9:38:40 Spiral
9:41:14 Press Release
9:52:26 Requirements
9:54:39 Projection
9:57:00 Next Steps
9:58:24 Comments
10:03:44 Loki
10:04:22 Coping & Awakening
10:06:35 Picture Of Joy
10:11:24 Apathy
10:12:52 Connections
10:16:40 Closing
10:17:50 Jedi Brooks
10:21:48 Rags
10:22:31 Fringy
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The biggest retcon in the show is that in original Captain Marvel, it was “Captain Marvel” herself who promised to give the Skrulls new settlement, not Nick Fury. But of course, nobody is gonna hold Carol accountable for her failure.
Also, if Fury was such a shitty human being for breaking his promise that it justified Skrulls committing mass murders and tried to genocide the whole world, why is it totally fine to downright heroic that the Wakandans broke their promise about giving the vibranium to the world and it’s those countries’ fault for being mad at them?
Wakanda, Talokan, and New Skrullus deserve each other.
@@samwallaceart288Isn’t it just interesting how Disney is painting genocidal ethnostates as misunderstood good guys. Hell they even paint them as outright the good guys at times.
if the Skrulls are the kind of people who think not quickly fulfilling a promise of the magnitude of 'find us a new homeland on a potentially hostile alien planet' justifies any of this bullshit, the universe is frankly better off without them
fuck 'em, they're selfish psychopaths
@@samwallaceart288and black widow promised to free all the widows and wat about the people in Westview are they ok? And wat is the tva doing about all this is the Kevin robot still in charge of all of th out come I mean the Kevin robot can write history right
Captain Marvel handed over Earth to the Skrulls on a silver platter with them plotting this invasion for decades. I'm sure the new Marvels film will in no way mention how she screwed over humanity.
this show is fundamentally broken, if fury really worked with the skrulls for the amount of time that the show tells you, he would have plan after plan for every kind of situation involving them.
he would know their weaknesses, how to identify them, how to deal with them and who to call for help, but since they needed him to be incompetent, he doesn't have any of that.
if this was the old nick fury this show would have been categorized as "horror" instead of a spy drama because that's what the skrulls would have felt.
And that wouldn't just be Fury facerolling the Skrulls, either. There would be intrigue as Fury involved other people in his plans and made sure that they weren't Skrulls. Things would go wrong, and Fury would have to adapt in gripping fashion. But no, he's over 40 and has a Y chromosome, so it's into the trash can he goes.
There’d have been an Order-66 in place, probably even a bioweapon genetically engineered to target Skrull DNA. That’s what I don’t buy about this series: CA Winter Soldier Fury had multiple Helicarrier gun platforms with the ability to target specific individuals, and he was totally ok with having them. You’d think he’d have factored in that making judgement calls that 100 shapeshifting spies could easily embedded themselves in all operational roles.
Retcons suck generally, this whole Skrull refugees as spies for 30 yrs is a next level retcon beyond just minor aspects.
Yeeeep. Even if Fury only saw an Skrull once. He'd still have Shapeshifter protocols. And weren't there Skrull bodies left behind in the wake of Captain Marvel's Roaring Rampage? It's been 30 years! Humanity has enough tech and bio material to grow artificial Skrulls in a lab. No way Fury can't detect them.
The plot should be that the Skrulls developed some sort of counter measure to the detection method. Which gave them just enough of an advantage to catch Fury by surprise ONCE. And then never again.
And don't forget that the show itself seems to undermine that in its FIRST episode, by saying that the best way for Skrulls to go undetected is by sticking to one form. Effectively making them ON THE SAME LEVEL AS HUMANS. The Skrulls couldn't have been the entire basis of Fury's successful career. By the show's own logic -- I'm sorry I'm repeating myself, it's just so monumentally _stupid_ I'm struggling to fully process it.
@@ferrarriohha disease transmitted through humans that only becomes symptomatic in skrulls. The dymptoms being death
The moral of the story
The Kree was right all along for trying to genocide the whole Skrull race. Captain Marvel got tricked by the Skrulls because they played victims so well and then made a huge mistake by saving them.
Another reason to hate her, she really is a villain 😭
Now, consider the spouses of the Skrulls.
She saved the space-terrorists, _and then fucked off._
Kinda makes you wonder what happened to make the Skrulls so universally despised across...well, the universe, that it was impossible for them to openly settle on any world.
Then again, they spent the last two and a half decades subverting world governments before deciding to wipe out the human race, so maybe we know _exactly_ the sort of thing the Skrull were up to.
And then she had the audacity to assault the Don on top of being dumber than a ton of bricks!
One of the worst parts of this show that doesnt get mentioned is when they are doing the whole race baiting conversation with Rhodey and Fury and they refer to Alexander Pierce as a mediocre white man. The Message aside, Pierce and Fury's relationship is from Winter Soldier. It was one of the best parts of a great film. Mutual respect and friendship that blows up with the revelation of his involvement in Hydra. Even at the end, neither seem to hate one another. They have similar goals and willingness to do anything to achieve them - just opposite ends of spectrum. Pierce regrets everything he had to do to his friend, but believes in his cause and what needs to be done. All this complexity in just one film that ends with Fury having to kill what looks like his only friend and only person he really trusted. All reduced to a mediocre white man line in a race baiting scene.
Whats worse is that he's been blipped for 5 years and didnt have any chance to really process this at any point in time. It's not like he just moved on. He has to be completely torn up and conflicted about this relationship. Was he always evil? Was he neve rhis friend? Was any of it real? Could he have saved him? How did he not see any of it in all this time? Was killing each other the only way out of it? So many questions should conflict the super spy, always one eye opened, always prepared, etc Nick Fury. And he calls him a fucking medicore white man.
You want too much character depth for a black character. These anti-racist progressive writers know that complexity isn't what audiences wants. They want shallow rage-bait lines to own the chuds on Twitter! 🙃
Strongly agree, and would even go farther: the statement reflects a world view that is totally innapropriate for the characters to have.
That is, Fury, and indeed everyone in the general super-person world, is well aware in the post-Winter Soldier era that Pierce came within, what, minutes of achieving Project Insight? He almost put Hydra (and thus himself) as the supreme power on Earth. It's fair to say Pierce is evil, a schemer and an out and out murder, but... mediocre?
How? Like, in what sense of the word is the head of Hydra, who wormed his way into the highest levels of power in both the USA and internationally, mediocre?
It's the kind of thing you expect to hear from a High Schooler that just discovered Marxism, not a statement from the premier spy on the planet.
@@buzzsawkhan Plus Pierce was Winter Soldier’s boss. That means Pierce is powerful and competent as hell.
That is Homer Simpson-level laziness on the part of the Woke idiot writers, but what else would you expect?
@andrewconrad2859 It is what you would expect but that doesn't make it any less infuriating.
Here's your seasonal reminder that Animorphs, a series of books written for, and marketed to, *children* has a more mature and nuanced understanding and depiction of a race of identity stealing aliens engaging in a shadow war than this quadgillion dollar series.
Based
To be fair, Animorphs is a great series and is far better than anything the MCU has done since… Infinity War?
This is why everyone needs to watch that multi hour breakdown by The PCP.
@@chrisbertolino2116 not even based. Just correct.
In their defense, animorphs should not have been a kids series. But yeah, you are still correct.
4:46:00 these are the exact same rules from the anime "parasyte: the maxim". In that show parasites invade specific humans and news gets out about it. It then becomes popular for people to greet each other by pulling out one of the other persons strand of hair
What I find funny is that Parasyte was written around and first published in 1988. A piece of fiction written over 30 years ago already thought about this more in depth. You would think they would do basic research on other stories with shapeshifting. Parasyte is up there as one of the best to read or watch. Kind of shows that story telling is getting worse. That show really nails how I believe shapeshifting aliens would behave. Devoid of emotion and completely logical.
@@MajorSmurf storytelling is not getting worse lol. Watch Vinland saga
@@theanimerapper6351 Uh.
@@asdergold1 did you watch Vinland saga before making this reply?
@@theanimerapper6351BINland saga
Skrulls are Winter Soldiers but with shapeshifting and the ability to steal memories. Hydra had 1 winter soldier and still managed to crush Fury and SHIELD. The same Fury with an undetected spy network of faceless everybodies.
It's really sad how quickly the MCU went from "Wow i wonder what cool thing from the comics theyll reference in this story!" To "Ugh, what cool thing from the comics are they gonna desecrate now?!"
The Secret Invasion storyline was done really competently in a kids show from 2010 called Avengers: Earths Mightiest Heroes. Over the course of two seasons the skrulls kidnap members of the Avengers and the Fantastic 4, and the revelation of a mole in the Avengers by a rogue Nick Fury splits up the team and causes some genuinely great character drama. That show was awesome and I’d recommend it to anyone who likes the Marvel property and wants to see these storylines done better. Better version of Carol Danvers, too.
That show also did Kang and the Kree pretty well too.
It's honestly just done the MCU better than the current MCU. It's probably because they gave a damn. Like they cared about the story, they cared about the characters and the history. It was great.
Haven't watched that show, my point of reference is X-Men. Always. Mystique is one shapeshifter and the amount of surprises they pack into the movies and the animated series from the early 2000s is just so cool.
Meanwhile, here you have an army of shapeshifters and it is so damned predictable who's not the real person. Nothing frustrates me more as a writer who did not realise the potential of what they were working with let alone realising it in a creative fashion.
EMH is one of the best versions of Marvel. MCU would've done well to use it as their template.
I guess you can say live action simply cannot ever hope to pull this off
Always funny seeing someone new go "You guys have been going for 10 hours" or "I went to sleep and woke up and you're still going, wow".
“The last time I trusted a cat, I lost an eye”
-Nicholas Flamurious
If Agents of Shield is canon, Coulson is a better spy than Fury ever could have hoped to be. Fury rose the ranks of Shield because he had a magical shape shifting spy army at his disposal. Coulson rebuilt the entirety of shield from the ground up using his small team of people, working entirely under the radar, even building new helicarriers, all without any government assistance, and no alien help either. Oh, and while Fury lost an eye to a cat, Coulson lost his arm to an axe his friend swung through it to stop the terrigen mist from killing him in a split second decision to save his life.
If Agents of Shield is canon, and secret invasion is canon, Fury is playing second fiddle to his own assistant.
@@robonator2945 Unfortunately, Loki and the TVA made it impossible for Agents of Shield to be canon. They end up diverging into an alternate timeline and we all know that's a big no-no.
@@Zepher0987 well apparently you CAN actually time travel and have it be part of the sacred timeline, so in theory it could be canon, but in any case I wouldn't really expect the entire thing to be canon, probably not much past the original clairvoyant/hydra storyline or *_maaaaaabye_* the inhuman arc. (really just so they can use Inhumans without ever having to awknowledge the shitty inhumans show) Once you start getting lady terminators, fear dimensions, and alien archival bots I don't really think canonicity is likely at that point.
Flamur means flag in Albanian 🇦🇱😂
@@robonator2945 … don’t you miss the grounded days of robot suits, science experiments, and Asgardians that mostly didn’t give a shit about us? It used to be so much simpler
There was absolutely no reason given why the tortured Skrull didn’t actually break out of his chains or shift into a smaller person to slip out of the chains or even a small animals.
Something that MIGHT have helped the story, is if the Skrull who Captain marvel and Fury helped, were refugees not just from the war with the Kree, but from their own Government.
You can have something like the 'Skrull Collective' and when the story begins, they are on the uptake and are rebuilding their Empire after the war with the Kree.
They spot Earth and learn that the 'traitors' have fled there. Now, not only would the protagonists not know who is Human or Skrull, but even the Skrull wouldn't know who is a Refugee and who is a special agent, sent to destabilize Earth for conquest.
In the meantime, Fury is caught in the cross fire, the American Government thinking he might be in league with the alien invasion or is compromised somehow.
wait let me get this straight, this show says black people can't do anything on their own because they're black, and then they also say fury didn't accomplish anything, everything was thanks to the skrulls? bruh, i think at this point you could easily argue the writers are racist.
There are some real heavy-handed stereotypes in there, and the simple fact that the writer hates Fury with such a passion that he doesn't let Fury have any cool moments does lend credence to it.
What??? Nooooooo.......
It's the "Weak Black Man"-syndrome caused by the fact that they want to have all male characters be black but also want all male characters to be pathetic.
They doubled down on virtue-signaling so hard they went the opposite direction.
Think of people like Finn in Star Wars.
What do you expect? This show was made by people who have the white saviour complex
It reminds me of this exchange, except that this show is doing it seriously and not as a joke or with any self-awareness.
Kirk Lazarus : All right fellas, we're gonna make camp, rest up. Y'all might be in for a treat. You know back before the war broke out I was a saucier in San Antone. I bet I could collar up some of them greens, yeah, some crawfish out the paddy, yo'! Ha! I'm makin' some crabapples for dessert now, yo! Hell yeah, ha!
Alpa Chino : [mocking Kirk] Hell yeah! Ha! That's how we all talk? We all talk like dis, "suh"? Yes suh, ha! Yeah mmm-hmm get some crawfish, and some ribs, ha! Ye-aah. You're Australian! Be Australian! Excuse me, Kangaroo Jack! [hops away like a kangaroo]
2:00:06 I just find it hilarious that Don Cheadle has a brother who is NEARLY the twin of him... and they didn't ONCE use him in this show to have a "Spiderman pointing at each other" meme scene...
9:15:37 Couldn’t help but think about the scene from Robin Hood: Men in Tights when his castle gets towed away and finds out his family died from pneumonia, dog run over by a carriage, goldfish, eaten by the cat, and the cat choked on the goldfish. Can’t believe what they did to this character
Every time a skrull in disguise is shot in the show, we see rating-friendly purple blood splatters. This leads me to believe the equipment you need to test for being a skrull is any sharp needle or other pointy object
A literal diabetes finger pricker would defeat all skrulls
Fury went from a intelligent spy/solider to an inept bureaucrat who used skrulls to gain power that he shouldn't have been allowed to have
...while extorting them
At this point Coulson deserves to run shield more than Fury does, and he did it more fucking successfully. Coulson literally rebuilt Shield from the ground up without his slave spy network.
@@robonator2945 Marvel really disrespect a black man by gaslighting us that all of Fury’s accomplishments are a lie.
And even tell Fury not to rewrite history. What a shameless studio disrespecting legacy character.
@@nont18411and then the people they say deserve all the credit are inept bumblefucks that keep getting spotted and recognized immediately even though they can shapeshift
wait you not only did an EFAP movies on The Descent, you GOT THE DIRECTOR ON??? EFAP truly made it
Yeah Drinker coordinated it. He talked about it a few Open Bars ago and asked if MauLer was down
Can't wait to see it in 2036
@@spendsshanks6050 oh damn, based Drinker (I don't watch his Open Bar streams)
@@HerohammerStudios Well, MauLer said it is supposed to come next week or a little later if he puts the extra visuals in (which I hope he will do)
@@spendsshanks6050 The amount of clout, Drinker has is nothing short of impressive. So many youtubers would give their left nut to speak to guys like Russell Crowe.
This show retcons a lot about Nick Fury, but I think the one thing that gets to me is that Fury apparently was raised by a single mother, when he mentioned having a father in Winter Soldier.
But I guess that's just another stereotype Disney wants to get out of the way: a shitty husband born from a broken family, who takes advantage of an alien race desperate for a home, and takes advantage of his employees.
The destruction of Nicholas J. Fury in this show was fucking *_surgical,_* and it was all done to put Crazy Poppins in his role of Super Spy.
The past gets in the way of their creativity XD
You can't expect the writers to actually watch the other movies. Or even do a simple google search to let fans do their research for them. What are you a nazi?
Is Nick Fury the first in the MCU to be so throughly destroyed, front back and side to side?
Luke, Leia, and Han still had their past.
Nick Fury wasn’t even allowed that much with this show.
@@nhagan001 She-Hulk was destroyed in every direction. Even her titles were mocked.
in what episode/scene was the single mother thing mentioned? Also in winter soldier, specifically the elevator on the way down to the helicarriers, he says "grandad" not father.
JLongs laugh is up there with Moriartys. So full of joy. Also really enjoyed Jedibrooks, heard him on Open Bar and subscribed. Nice to have a guest that isn’t too timid to talk.
I hope we can see him more often in the future.
I also like DasBullshit (not sure if that is how he spells it).
Just a good genuine laugh.
i think it’s a she btw
@@nhagan001I think it's DasBoschitt but who knows with how their Floomp language is.
I love how she's silent for 90% but then outta nowhere you hear her delightful cackling.
Speaking of the blip, how did that affect all of the people imprisoned by the Skrulls at that facility for +/-10 years?
Delivery of "The Americans Against Russia Organization" at 54:30 just kills me. Granted, not every organization needs a fancy name, but repeated thrice it sounds silly, especially when Rags just cannot believe Mauler.
Speaking of infiltration, an outfit that calls itself "The Americans Against Russia Association" may as well hang a sign on their door reading "To the Feds: Please riddle us with undercover agents. Thank you."
@@CharlesUrbanyeah, everyone would assume some false flag operation
@@CharlesUrban the name screams CIA front
@@nox5555 id assume its the fsb. Using the "americans against russia" organization to stoke internal fears of the americans. Though the cia et al would also be involved.
Funny how they pick as pretty much the only pre-existing Skrull character, the half cybernetic mutant warrior Skrull Talos the Untamed, who appeared in literally three stories and whose most notable characteristic is HE CAN'T SHAPESHIFT!
Maria Hill is the person I thought was going to take over when Fury "died" in Winter Soldier. She would re-organize Shield, or make a new organization while also still reporting to Fury who would be working in the shadows.
Maria Hill is the OG competent responsible female in the MCU other than Natasha, and the MsheU era has done _nothing_ with her.
@samwallaceart288 The M She U is shockingly terrible at utilizing the actually popular female characters but loves creating bad female characters. It's like how the writing got more racist with the black characters than it was back in 2008. The franchise is going backwards in their progressive messages.
@@hope-cat4894 that's for sure!
@@hope-cat4894 they couldn't deal with a complicated, competent but morally ambiguous character like Maria Hill, despite the fact that you can't argue people really actually like those kind of characters.....
if you want to watch something like that watch Agents of Shield.
Slightly spoilery but : after Hydra is revealed as being inside of shield Coulson works with Fury to take down the Clairvoyant, a high ranking Hydra organizer who was always aware of things they shouldn't have been. They were so secretive that even describing their voice, in any capacity, would net you a death sentence. After Fury parts ways with Coulson again, he gives Coulson a vibranium cube, no larger than a one of those fluffy novelty dice. That cube was a full backup of Shield's archives, all of their safe houses, all of their information, etc. So, working with his team and the information on that cube, Coulson rebuilt shield from the ground up (even having a few civil wars along the way) on his own, with his team and a handful of disparate Shield agents still loyal to the original cause.
By the end the show does start to go a bit wildly off the rails, so I doubt they could say the entire thing is canon, but if Coulson walked in and said "hey guys" he would quite literally be a better Shield operative than Fury ever was if this show is canon. He rebuilt the entirety of Shield from the ground up on his own with his tiny rag tag team, whereas Fury just rose the ranks of the pre-existing Shield using his little skrull spy army he extorted.
Who would have thought the only successful assassination attempt on Fury would occur on meta level.
Can't plan countermeasures for lobotomite writers.
I had no idea this show even started airing, much less finished. That is so depressing, the MCU used to be an event to look forward to every year, and now shit for it comes out and ends without people even hearing about it.
Jedi brooks isn’t joking about being there from the beginning. Fits in with Efap naturally.
I watched the first 5 hours and had to leave but came back for the last hour and I was pleased to see he was still there. A true longman.
@@jimberjamber8540Yeah this was a good long EFAP to rite of passage in on.
Yep, I remember seeing his name in the chat years ago
He’s a real one
When the presidential motorcade gets ambushed, if you look behind the first vehicle that gets blown up you can briefly see Air Force One, so that took place just outside the airport, where you'd think they'd be able to detect incoming helicopter assault teams on RADAR.
The MCU made their own version of Perfect Cell, and she's probably going to have less of an impact on the world than Rhodey did. She doesn't have to work with Sonya, she could have easily blown her head off in that alleyway and gone about her business. The only thing that could stop her would be She-Hulk paying K.E.V.I.N. a visit.
Yeah, they don't understand how powerful someone like that would really be
No, see, perfect cell was involved in something, Gohans ssj2 transformation, that was badass and is regarded as being great decades later. This will be looked back on and seen as a fucking dumpster fire. Comparing perfect cell to this is an insult to the genocidal bug android.
@crimsonking440 I think it's the perfect comparison to make; Cell was created with the DNA of all of the strongest fighters from DB up to the Android Saga of DBZ which was done over a long time, and the Super Skrull was also created with the DNA of the strongest fighters of the MCU. The problem is that most of the powers the Super Skrull stole aren't biological, so they shouldn't have those powers. The reason why the Super Skrull worked in the comics is because they had the powers of the Fantastic Four, whose powers *_were_* directly related to their DNA.
@@grandarkfang_1482
Well, yeah, all thats true. If you wanna use facts and shit. Im just saying one is cool and the other never can be, at least in the MCU.
It was really convenient that none of the people that the Skrulls had taken weren’t the half of the universe that got blipped
Sometimes I will delay viewing an efap when I plan watch the media they're covering first. I never have this issue with Marvel content.
the absolute state of modern media, when a 10 hour livestream is a better use of your time than a big budget TV miniseries
Highly recommend reading the comics. Back when everyone had to EARN the damned paycheque. I'm a DC guy, and I still highly recommend Secret Invasion comics for anyone who cares for some good political thriller action. Also, a bonus, Iron Man, Captain America and Hulk are all in there. Unlike this stupid excuse of a show.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 Hell I'd honestly recommend the secret invasion arc in Avengers: EMH Season 2 as well
Korg was probably only on the list so they can have the Super-Skrull do a rock fist attack, because in the comics he uses Thing's powers this way.
"Captain America couldn't rip a chain off a door" Uh, Captain America was so strong he was able to stop a helicopter from taking off to the point Bucky thought it was more advantageous to try and smash it to kill Steve rather than continuing to take off. Steve absolutely could rip a chain off a door. Just because he prefers to use a tool, his shield, to break them while expending less energy doesn't mean he couldn't do it.
If Skrulls can use photos to mimic someone's appearance couldn't they just mine social media for aliases? Like, look up a bunch of French people and adopt their appearances. You'd be pretty unlikely to run into them in Russia or America. Also on the subject of photorealistic drawings being unviable for Skrullification, what about photos with a filter applied? Does altering a photo make it unusable to a Skrull? Can the Skrull powers tell if someone had coloured contacts in and stop them for transforming? What about hair dye?
Man you put way more thought into all of this than the writers ever did.
"Don't ask questions, consume product and get excited for next product" Red Letter Media
I think they should also be able to just stare out a window... that seems way more practical to copy a random face/body morphology, especially blending a face or swapping hair color. Or using a series of caps and jackets to 'browse' faces in a crowd.
other Scifi trope shapeshifters like Mystique / Odo as shapeshifters ... seem to be less capable, because they can't copy memories. From memory of the Captain Marvel Skrulls, they were able to walk into a train and copy ... everything, including clothing. Of course, the theme is they aren't aliens, they mimic.
Probably because ... "Actors", more than Aliens that can change eye color or hair color on demand. Don't even ask how they change clothing. This would also mean, Skrulls walk around Naked.
Rhodes is a naked skrull woman. Apparently since Civil War ... just strolling around naked.
@@Toliman."I have horrible news for you, people: Humans everywhere are being kidnapped and replaced by alien Shapeshifters!"
"Oh no! How horrible!"
"But it is even worse. Not only are we all being replaced by alien Shapeshifters, we are being replaced by *naked* alien Shapeshifters!"
"Eew!"
"Horrible!"
"Disgusting!"
"Yes, it is true. I have seen it myself. They are able to mimic our clothes."
"That's absolutely unacceptable! Now, copying mah face and takin' over mah life is one thing....but ah draw the line at walking around without pants in public! We can't let these alien nudists continue with their indecent behavior. Betty! Get me mah shotgun! We got some extraterrestrial perverts to hunt! "
Strolling around, more like Skurlling around
Its always nice seeing new engaging guests on the EFAP as well as older ones still bringing their part in this discussion...
Hiding a power plant is about as hard as hiding a train station. On account of the lines that, by necessity, lead strait to the source of power.
Even more with a nuclear power plant, these things are MASSIVE and need to be built next to large bodies of water. The infrastructure and personnel demands it be noticeable
There is not a nuclear power plant on the face of the Earth that the US government doesn't know about.
To add on, nuclear plants, to some degree, are regulated by international entities. If the plant had a decommissioned breeder reactor for making weapons grade material back in the day, there would be inspections to confirm the plant doesn't come back online. Nuclear reactor sites don't 'drop off the books'.
The fact that Korg was on the list of DNA that Fury collected is a nice microcosm of how badly written the show is.
Firstly, it’s _Korg._ No wonder nobody seems to respect Fury anymore. In a post-Thanos world, he dedicated resources to collecting DNA from _fecking_ _Korg._
Second, he’s made of _rocks._ Where is there even any DNA to collect? And yes, we know from the movies that he’s rock all the way through. We saw another of his race get obliterated in Thor 2, and he was nothing but rock. Korg should have about as much DNA as a cinderblock. It makes about as much sense for him to be on that list as Cap’s shield or Thor’s hammer.
Ir ultron, fucking dragonball handeled that shit better
Simple, the president told Fury to go get blood out of a stone, so he did
How would you discern a Korg stone from literally any other piece of debris on that battlefield?
Also, I was thinking the same thing about Groot. How do you get a tree's DNA?
@@thejemstone9219actually iirc plants do have DNA, at least to some degree. I'm no expert though, so take that with a grain of salt.
@@thejemstone9219
Unlike rocks, but like animals and fungi, plants are alive and have cells with nuclei containing DNA.
I imagine it’s harder to get DNA from a tree or other plant than an animal because their cells have cell walls while animal cells don’t, but it’s entirely possible and has been done.
Another thought though, DNA isn’t something intrinsic to the universe or atoms or something, it’s a specific type of molecule that evolved here on Earth. So another question is why do aliens with evolutionary histories completely isolated from Earth and each other have DNA as opposed to having different but analogous molecules or being fundamentally structured completely differently from life on Earth.
This was basically a fun audiobook by Mauler and company of a show I’ll never even try to watch.
the first 5 episodes having everyone say Fury is old and shit now could have worked if in ep 6 he uno reverse trap carded everyone and took everyone down in ways no one expected.
I was hoping that with Loki tbh, he played dumb throughout the series and then suddenly tricked everyone at the end, almost like he was meant to be a God of deceit and trickery or something... but no he was just a moron all along according to the show...
According to Disney, men are not allowed to have satisfying arcs anymore. Only women are.
Jeez, just mass boycott entire Disney at this point, come on people...
DS9 actually did shape shifter infiltration very well with the dominion war.
Well that’s cause that series was good, this is garbage.
Well DS9 did many things very well, so it's no real surprise.
95% of all stories involving shape-shifting life-forms invading a human area, be it town, country, planet or otherwise, has been done infinity better than Nick Fury humiliation hour ever did
8:24:00 In Iron Man 3 they put Rhodey's suit on the president and the president can't use it. So I guess after Tony let Rhodey keep the suit he installed some sort of identification thing. Although if it's biometric, scrulls can copy fingerprints... though I have no idea how unless they study the fingers of Rhodey under microscope and memorise all details...
In fairness if it was genetic then they could replicate the fingerprints simply from the sample because the information is stored within the DNA itself.
@@Capt.Thunder But if they copy bodies to the DNA, they shouldn't be super strong...
@@Сайтамен They call it a shell, so it could be just an outer layer, although then why not do blood tests and stuff to prove it? Whichever way it is, it's messed up.
@@Capt.Thunderfingerprints are unique. Genetically identical twins have different fingerprints. You would not be able to replicate them with some DNA.
''Disney keeps remaking old stuff and buying everything. Everything is expensive, and yet their quality is rock bottom. Why are they even doing this?''
What are they supposed to do? Die?
Just sell tickets to marvel movies and put on a jay video instead. Its not that hard.
Well If they didn’t try and destroy the market for media they would be melted
Yes.
Watching the actual show may have been 6ish hours shorter, but this is infinitely more entertaining
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To the thing that the people lost 10 years... It's so much worse. Imagine all the people that had sex with their spouses that are skrulls. They basically got raped by them, imagine all the damage that would deal to you.
That Skrull coochie do be fine though
That's not rape.
@@A_Random_Ghost Except that is literally rape. They did not have your actual consent, since you didn't know who they were.
@@Soapy-chan They did have your consent. It's not about them knowing if it was you. They still agreed to it.
It might fall under another category of sexual assault but it's not rape. Like statutory rape, a child consents but well, children.
This one will have a different name, probably with rape in front of it, but it'd still not fit into the definition.
@@A_Random_Ghost idc about your semantics here, it's rape.
They could easily deal with the “who is actually human” issue by having a wrist watch like device that scans or straight up displays your blood. Either the blood gets circulated back to the blood stream or read the blood and displays something to reveal it’s human blood. With a little extra work, this idea could work. But nough ...
Thats a really high tech solution, id just get a needle and poke
Wait a second... Gravik has Groot's DNA right? So just plant part of his body in a pot and another Gravik will grow out of this xD
I'm Graaaaaavik!
It's going to be a pretty short funeral for Gravik if the skrulls decide to put him in a shallow grave.
9:54:15 - Exactly. I have been reading Star Trek behinds the scenes stuff, and often the directors and writers would mention how when they had to work on, say, an episode featuring a returning character from an older series, they would go and watch those episodes, or consult with the actor who played the character, or the old writers. Back then people had respect for what they worked on.
Cowboy Bebop is the gold standard for intros
It's cool. Vinland Saga has 4 different openings though and they're all bangers.
Since the guy's bitching about them being too long and indulgent I'd go with Mushoku Tensei season 1 where the intro's time is often used for longer episodes, just with the theme playing over it for a bit.
An easy solution for the Skrull thing would be that they have to study a person in order to become them and it becomes increasingly more difficult to maintain their appearance the more ones they have
So they could maintain 1 appearance perfectly but 2 or more and they start to have difficulty
Explains why most never switch
I'm really surprised that they didn't talk about the really stupid scene at the end of episode 1 where Fury follows Gravic around. For no reason Gravic just stares at Fury dead in the eye as he walks behind things to shapeshift which just immediately blows his cover to Fury each time. Why the hell would anyone really obviously stare at the person they're trying to hide from?! Also just because he shapeshifts out of Fury's line of sight doesn't mean that no one else in this huge crowd wouldn't notice him shapeshifting like 3 times!
I just realized something is it possible for doctor strange to do that one spell to make the skrulls forget they are skrulls? Had that thought after remembering reading that one comic of the Fantastic four meeting the skrulls. And I believe they beat them and brainwash them into thinking they are cows.
So not sure if anyone else pointed it out, but there was something missed regarding pov Skrull with his fur hat. The fact he's always wearing that hat (as you guys discussed) heavily implies it is part of his disguise and thus part of him. If you go back to episode 1 when he arrives at Skrullex, he takes it off and holds it like a normal hat in his hand.
Each time I think nothing can surprise me anymore, Disney steps it up another notch.
I'm not surprised. Just depressed
Marvel just can‘t seem to make an enjoyable script for a movie or show. How hard can it be? Just hire talented writers, let Kevin give them SOME restrictions (these couple characters aren‘t allowed to die, rest is fair game etc) and respect beloved characters. It is actually a feat in itself to have literally everything going for you and STILL somehow fumbling it all: amazing talent, an almost infinite pool of money and great amounts of quality source material to base this off of (with some fitting changes for the continuity of the MCU of course). Can‘t imagine there was a time where I watched almost every MCU related show and movie (even the Netflix ones) multiple times and nowadays I can barely make myself watch it.
Edit: Sorry for my bad english, not a native speaker
the writers just dont care about the material. They only care about leaving their mark.
Kevin gives thme restrictions.
It’s the notes he passes. The problem is they’re shit notes and low tier writers can’t try to salvage that into soemthing usable
Also not native here, but your english is really good man no need to feel timid about it
Everyone is allowed to do whatever they want, they see the previous movies and lore as limitations on their creativity.
@@vitorschein8073
I support this, being also not a native English speaker.
Parasyte: The Maxim is something you guys should add to your bodysnatcher\alien mimic watch list.
They won't. They've built their personalities around hating anime. It's like with Red Letter Media and their weird relstionship with the Star Wars prequels
It's litterally just rags that hates anime.
Not really worth it, its a 4-5/10 show at best
@@matthiuskoenig3378yeah but if rags has to fight something then there’s nobody to stop it, unless it’s something minor and unimportant then maybe fringy will disagree. But if it’s clearly just him being a jackass he’s gotta be left to himself
Yvonne Solomon in live chat said it best: "The writers overdosed on Stupid Pills before they wrote this."
Episode 6 really is like the Exodia of bad writing. Episodes 1 - 5 were each a limb and that final episode was the completed monstrosity, come to break your brain and somehow lower my expectations for the MCU even lower still.
I still don't get how they've been 'hidden' for decades when as little as a papercut will make it obvious that they aren't human.
I don’t blame Emilia Clarke for her plank mode. Emily Blunt said she is tired of reading a script and seeing her role is “Strong Female Character”. She said whenever she saw that in a script, she knew she would be playing stoic, unemotional woman which isn’t fun. Emilia Clarke keeps getting cast into these roles...
If you fish in a swamp, you'll catch a gator. She is big enough to say "let me see the script" before accepting a role. I feel for her having to play "unfun" roles but I'm sure the money she makes is fun enough to try
And now Han Solo’s girlfriend has all the powers of the Avengers.
Is this like when you were playing with action figures, but you took the arms off and attached the arms/weapons off of other characters, and then made them fight with your other figures?
AKA when you've been playing toys for 5 hours and it's time to do something else.
Are you the bad guy from Toy Story or something?
In a show that costs over 200 million dollars and only amounts to about 4 hours, they somehow couldn't afford to use the War Machine armor even once.
The funniest thing about the great escape is that camp had a pool, ball courts, a cinema, it was basically summer camp compared to their usual atrocities, which makes it even MORE impressive they escaped instead of just relaxing til the war was over 😂
Jedi Brooks made it! Always saw him hanging out in the chat, now he's been called up to the show.
8:22:10 you know why radiation is bad? Because it destroys DNA. Tears it apart. So, knowing that, how much use is a glass vial full of DNA snippets?
Peacemaker had a really good intro,weird at the start but by the end made complete sense
Watching through the finale fight in slow-motion is the most insane thing I’ve ever watched in my life. MCU movies/shows seem to have devolved into Patton Oswalt’s Star Wars filibuster-tier concepts where everything including the kitchen sink is thrown in there
3:49:08 "Why do these people write these things if they have no interest in the concept?" They're interested in using this comic book concept as an allegory for IRL migrants and their willingness (or lack thereof) to assimilate. They're interested in using this IP to wag a finger down at their audience. That's it. Depicting the Skrulls doing sci-fi things that IRL migrants can't do doesn't help to serve that allegory.
1:54:55 Something else that does that sort of thing (although through different circumstances) is Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2, where the start of it is based around the fact that every clone being made of Vader's Apprentice from the original game eventually ends up going mad to some extent because - unlike the Fett clones in the Prequels - all the memories of the person they were cloned from dumped in their minds which results in specific memories emerging in uncontrollable and debilitating flashes. Not exactly the same as the RvB example and the story is TFU2's weakest element but at least it attempted to explore issues and implications of having someone else's memories alongside your own unlike Secret Invasion.
Because of the events invented in this show, Nick Fury has singled handedly recreated the red scare
Jay cutting out on her way out made me shoot water out of my nose, that was one of the funniest moments I had witnessed
Missed the chance to use the nickname Skrhodie for Skrull Rhodie.
7:08:15 Just a little detail, the Groot vines seem to be getting hit by bullets there, which means the secret service guys are shooting at their own man.
Considering how Fury is in this series and in the captain marvel movie, it would make a lot more sense if the fury we saw in all the avenger movies was thalos😂
Well, Talos was Fury in Far From Home, but yeah it might be possible that the only competent Fury was Skrull all along.
Honestly, I kinda thought that's what the show was telling me.
I cannot wait for the Ai videos of Wes Anderson’s Secret Invasion starring:
Timothy Chalamet, Bill Murray, Lea Seydoux, Tilda Swinton, MauLer, George Clooney, Ralph Fiennes, Tony Revolori, Adrian Brody, Owen Wilson and Jeffrey Wright as Nicholas Fury Jr.
8:42:21 They got DNA from a rock?! From a person literally made out of stone?! This was written by a five year old. I'm actually shocked that they didn't put Iron Man on that list and have them summon fully functional Iron Man suits at will.
Can someone with talent make a meme of Mauler as Francis Dolarhyde showing the MCU subreddit Secret Invasion and saying "Do you see?"
Has anyone brought up that the theme for the show uses the "No more Rick Krispies! We ran out of Rice Krispies," melody?
Before MCU and streaming dominance, 3-6 new films were released to theaters on a weekly basis across all genres. "Low budget" comedies, dramas, horror, and action movies could turn a profit without a $300 million opening weekend.
I miss real comedies. Ever since the hangover comedy movies died.
This is going to be great, by the way I'd like to say Jedi Brooks you are a welcome addition to the EFAP crew.
BTW, I don't know if you fellows remember DS9, but when they had a war with the changelings, they set up a protocol to draw a bit of blood tomake sure ppl were who they say they were. Pretty easy and logical.
And didn't they eventually figure out a work around to that as well?
@@TheFatalcrest The changelings always had a workaround since they had been infiltrating societies for over 10000 years, only odo lacked the knowledge of how to subvert it. This was the theme of the defenses the federation employed. They were all based on odos incomplete abilities and the changelings could bypass them all. This is why section 31 went with a method that couldn't be avoided.
@@janehrahan5116 right ,right! I was thinking of the blood test scene and the Changeling Security scenes
9:08:21 but don’t forget, it only happened cause Kang demanded it happened. If the skrull who kidnapped Rhodey didn’t want to, he would be sent to the end of time and eaten by the purple fort cloud
Yes! A REAL EFAP! Say no to illegally short EFAPs!
Thank you the EFAP crew for sparing me having to watch these rencid pieces of media, while having a lot of fun listening to you during work !
when you thought it couldn't get worse from Falcon/Winter Soldier.
After the light elf used illusions to impersonate a judge in the middle of a trial and extorted people there would be an entire school of law devoted to laws against shapeshifting
This show was more insane than I ever imagined it could be
If you want a TV show that did the shapeshifter thing, and the paranoia it would instill, and did it over multiple episodes, and did it RIGHT, you want Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
Agents of SHIELD did the whole 'body snatching' / don't know who you can trust 1000% better with the LMD (Life Model Decoy) arc in session 4
On the subject of lying dogs, I had a dachshund years ago. When we tried to put him outside he'd slowly crawl forward dragging his back legs like something was wrong with him. And when you yelled at him to get out he'd just run outside with zero issues.
Battlestar Galactica made a pretty good attempt at identity crises, when the Cylons started impersonating people.
Babylon5 & Battlestar Galactica are the greatest sci-fi shows ever written.