Why Engineers Used a Flute ? How Juggernauts Work? Mother Juggernaut's Fate - Alien Covenant
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- Why the Engineer use a flute to start the Juggernaut?
How juggernauts work?
What Happened to the mother Juggernaut?
Remember, this is just a theory and when I first read it it seemed a little bit hard to believe but when I looked at the evidence from Prometheus and Alien Covenant it actually made sense.
First of all, the most obvious explanation is that the ship's navigation system requires a flute sound to ensure that the pilot is in fact a living and intelligent being and not to a robot. But because David was programmed with an ability to create, he is able to pass as a humanoid.
Besides this simple explanation, there is much more to what the Juggernaut actually is and how it works.
From outside, it is a large, asymmetrical, wishbone-shaped craft, with thickened central sections between two horns, which bend upwards.
The ship resembles an ancient symbol called the Ouroboros. It represents cyclicality, especially in the sense of something constantly re-creating itself.
Jugernaut had numerous tunnels that go off to many places. The Juggernaut measured 170 in length and 116 meters wide with 61meters between two prongs
The Juggernaut had three large openings near ground level between two horns, leading into the interior of the Juggernaut.
When David opens the door to the big head room he uses some sort of substance that is organic (evidenced by him pulling his fingers apart and seeing those tiny little bits). This substance could be packed with information interacting with the hieroglyphs on the panel which then opens the door. W hen David's playing around with the controls he presses on those little egg-like buttons and they produce sound as if they were reacting to the touch.
When the crew meets the Engineer If you pay attention to the suit you’ll notice that it's integrated with his body because of the way it merges with his neck. In fact, Engineers are able to create life they are highly skilled in manipulating bio materials, so thier suits are also bio-engineers. For instance, it is integrated with the engineer's body. So their suits are also bio engineered and may act as living parts of their bodies
That brings up a theory that the ship or at least a part of it is organic and a result of bio engineered
Probably many people originally assumed that the Jugernauts is a nonbio technology because of the way we build our space ships, cars and other mechanisms. But since Engineers are so advanced in biological engineering, they integrate living organisms in to their spacecrafts.
That’s why the Jugernaut is a mix of a biological and mecanical components so we can pretty much say that the ship is alive.
I know it may sound a bit ridiculous, but hold on because it actually answers many question from prometheus and what happened to Juggernaut and the mother ship in Alien Covenant
That would explain why the interior of the Juggernaut resemble more a living organism than a space-going vessel, with skeletal walls, circular gangways and steep passages. When the Engineer prepares to lanch the ship, it seems like the seat envelops him, and he becomes a part of in.
When the crew enters the Jugernaut, the texure of walls starts to change as if the ship detected an unknown organism and responded by changing the environment. The crew also notices that something inside the ship generates an atmosphere so it’s possible that the Juggernaut has a mechanism to produce oxygen for Engineers or on organic of the ship needs oxygen itself.
The engineer plays a flute to activate a part of the navigation system, the sound must be of the right frequency to communicate with the Juggernaut’s bio part and thus activate the ship. This can be a producers’s refence to the string theory that suggests everything is made of vibrations so by playing a certain frequency the Engineers are able to get access to interstellar travel.
I also noticed in the scene where the ship Prometheus crashes the Juggernaut, you can hear some weird low frequency sounds and it may be just the music but id doesn’t fit to the rythm so if this theory is correct these sound can be produced by the Juggernaut itself as a response to being destroyed.
Now let’s talk about how the Jugernaut and the mother ship crashed. Yes actually know from the movie that the mother ship was also taken down. when Daniels and Lope leave the Paraise planet, For a few seconds we can actually see the crashed mother juggernauts in the background at the base of the mountain.
So how did the ships crashed. We know now that they have biological or living components and so when David released such a big amount of the black goo in the atmosphere, some of the pathogen might have
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It actually explains why in the original Alien movie, the interior of the ship is fossilized, Great Theory!
The ship in alian was build by the Alphas not the engineers
Serj Romashkin hey is Krishna called as jagarnath??
Muffin s alphas are not cannon,they are fan made
@@muffins8366 Alphas were fan fiction as an attempt to fix "continuity" errors and answer some questions
No
It was millions of years old or thousands.
Here's what I think; Ridley Scott is planning on living forever just like Weyland or else we would fucking know this shit by now.
not only RS,every human with alots money want eternal life.
Rock'N'Rollers. Live bright Die fast
tech limbo No one will want to suffer forever
@@techo6265 yeah
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The flute is a key. Not all keys are physical. Music has keys. Everything has a resonant frequency, Tesla understood this well. Thus the flute was a key triggering the resonant frequency of the ship. Look into cymatics, it's very interesting and even more so with the theological things tied into Prometheus. The book of Job says.." Where were you when the world was created and all the angels SANG together with joy?" A tone! It's pretty cool if you think of it.
Going with the theory that the Engineer ships are biomech and that, as seen in Promethus, the goo doesn't seem to actually affect the Juggernaut when it's spilled down the sides of the containers, I wonder if we've got the purpose of the goo or pathogen all wrong. What if the black pathogen is actually a form of fuel for the Engineer ships that keeps the biomech of the ships alive and able to make adaptions and repairs as needed? What if the pathogen/goo was toxic to other non-plant based biologies in the fact that it terraforms and/or destroys their DNA because it's too strong to perform it's original function on weaker biologies than the ships, thus transforming the other lifeforms that come into contact with it into primal horrors according to their individual biology? I don't really think this is actually something they'd consider revealing but it is definitely an interesting thought and possible plot twist.
Be interesting if the ships are the sentient beings or brought by sentient beings who first created the engineers. Compared to their cities, the ships appear to be far more advanced. Would tie into your theory a bit
What about the idea that the Tyrell corporation created the engineers and sent them through a einstein rosenbridge to the beginning of time, thus creating perfect biological artificial intelligence with millions of years of experience. 🤢🤮☺🌹
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A creative mind you most certainly are.Regards
That's a fantastic theory
But was mentioned that engineers know how to handle the goo, they might have tech to prevent the goo from infiltrating the juggernaut.
The inside of the helmet that the space jockey is about to have equipped looks organic and not highly technological. There is no visible visor nor wires or lights. The pilot may be able to link his central nervous system to the ship in order to be more efficient when piloting the vessel since it would in theory be an extension of the pilot himself. This may be why the flute needs to be used so that the juggernaut knows that it is accepting a link with an organic being and not an AI or robot. Until David was able to bypass it by playing the flute.
This might also explain why David is obsessed with mastering the flute in covenant. We already know he desires to be more human, and if the ship crashed as a possible result of not being able to use the flute well enough to operate or land the ship he would definitely want to improve that flaw and so he eventually learns how to “create” his own music.
The idea of a bio ship was actually introduced by Geiger himself. He pitched the idea to Scott and he loved it. It is pretty common in sci-fi to find living ships. The most famos one being Maya from Farscape.
But Giger didn't design the Juggernaut, he designed the Derelict from ALIEN, the whole interior from the Derelict is different to the one from the Juggernauts when you compare them.
Love Farscape
Bio ship reminds me of a Dr Who episode "The claws of Axos" check it out it aired on BBC television before Alien 1979.
I think you mean Tyranids
Don't forget the Vorlon's ships in Babylon 5. They're built specifically for each individual and when Ambassador Kosh is killed, his ship flies into a nearby sun to destroy itself. That was an amazing T.V. show...
I always kinda thought the ships were alive ever since they found those gooey walls in the originals. Really makes sense that the xenomorphs would kind of use it like a nest too.
It sucks that you do a better job of telling this story than Ridley Scott.
Exactly
Well we wouldn't have any alien movies if it wasn't for Ridley. Do me a favor and link your own sci-fi blockbuster movie that's so much better then his.
@@cosmiccomedy7394 😂 Dude, I commented this like 2 years ago. I don't even remember this video or the actual movie.
The point is basically this: majority only hate, left disappointed with RS's work. Like the Star Wars sequels, nobody can appreciate the themes that are presented before us. The negativity only confirms the Engineers reasons for resetting humanity. We have to work together as a collective consciousness to flourish. Not fight hate with hate. Save what we love. Alien: Awakening will have the rest of the Engineers seen leaving the plaNet from the Prometheus prologue to see one of their homeworlds in destruction, will put Walter back together to lead them to David & his created army. Engineers will be forced to unite with humanity to overcome the larger threat - Deacon, seen in the ending of Prometheus. An interview shows Ridley Scott say, "People don't know that's the way we're going with." (War of the Worlds)
Ridley Scott can tell a good story, it's when executive, studios and other producers get in the way and change things.
How some one can imagine this kind of a highly advanced space adventure stories? It's brilliant, waiting to see engineers coming back in 'Alien Awakening'.
The flute may just be a password, like face recognition. If you don't know the code, you can't fly the ship
Simple and Easy, i like it
AlTiUCOFe its a captcha x)
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Yeah, that's pretty obvious. lol
it's even a quite safe password! every "handcrafted" or grown flute has it's own distinct frequency which cannot be easily recreated
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Anyway, who would steal such a spacecraft ? Or more like who COULD steal it ? I personally wouldn't take the risk to try ! 😅 LMAO
It's a bent femur, designed by H. R. Giger, who was into biomechanical fusion in his art, as well as extreme, overt, sometimes deviant, sexuality. Surrealism of Night Terrors.
Giger didn't design the Juggernaut, he designed the Derelict from ALIEN, the whole interior from the Derelict is different to the one from the Juggernauts when you compare them.
Egg laying face parasites are a terrible, horrible thing, right up till your species becomes sterile. Then they're a wonderful, beautiful thing!
@The Pornographer Giger did no work at Prometheus directly!!!! He just make a few drawns and the big mural in the "head room" based on one of it, but not the rest!
"I don't want it to be too Giger-y, but I don't want to give it all up either." Ridley Scott to Arthur Max (the set designer)
alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2012/02/ridleys-design-criteria-for-world-of.html
@The Pornographer No, Giger made the derelict from ALIEN but not the Juggernaut.
alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-derelict-and-juggernaut.html
Look at the first Ridelygram, where he drawned it as round as it later in the movie.
"...and me focusing primarily on the planet environment and Alien spaceships/architecture," says Messing."
"Messing also worked on the Juggernaut, the huge alien ship that becomes the Derelict - although artist Alex Kozhanov really designed the shape language that wound up being the basis for Messing's designs. Another ship that Messing worked on was the "Pebble," the big smooth ship that glides overhead in the opening moments of the film ..."
io9.gizmodo.com/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-making-of-prometheus-5917639
SO NO GIGER ON THE JUGGERNAUT!
flute is one of the oldest human musical instrument since prehistoric age (43,000 years ago). glad they used that in creative way in this movie. well done, writers.
This is a very interesting theory. These are great movies people just aren't smart enough to appreciate them.
That picture change isn't Jugornout changing, its because when they opened the door the atmosphere of the preserved room got corrupted & its immediately started eroding the inner walls .Shaw actually talked about that in proemetheus
If the room was changing because the air got corrupted, I wonder whether the little worms were accidentally brought in from the outside and started evolving because they touched the black goo?
Thank you for helping to show how incredible these movies really were
In the thumbnail it did not look like the engineer was using a flute.
Bruh
Looking at the thumbnail it's defiantly a Clarinet.
Pause
Unfortunate they never kept the same 1979 tale intact..
great Alien video kroft! loved every moment of it
I'm without words of description every time I look at how flesh and machine seems to merge in Ridley Scott's things, like Xenomorphs and Engineers. Even the Engineer Temple's Murals appeared to be merged somehow.
You can thank HR Giger for that.
a common mistake. The tapestry and leaky pots were NOT ON A JUGGERNAUT! They were down a long hallway completely away and separate from it. in Prometheus the 3d map clearly shows this, and David doesn't open the ship door by himself until way after they found the tapestry room in the main pyramid structure. C.
That dome thing structure has a face in the top, maybe is the same biotech.
Good call.
Redstone Tnt The face huger has lungs to breathe air for it's host. What ever that air may be. This makes sense, give the host the same air it's use to breathing.
@@johnnyjoejapan hi I deleted my comment now
Great theory! I'm enjoying your channel, keep it up.
Totally ready to hear more!
Very creative and imaginative analysis. Well done.
I love this theory ! You know and tell the Alien lore so well, you should be the one writing the movies script
Research the original artist who did concept art. It’s just his style. RIP.
Another well done summary!!
The flute is just an Engineer's version of 'Are you a robot?'
you have the best alien channel, love watching your views, explanations, and videos! : )
Not bad, keep making these videos. I like them, and good job with the editing btw.
I like the videos and the unique style... Keep up the good work Croftus...
This is why I keep watching this channel as the possibilities and logic of the videos just make hope we will see more from this franchise.
Keep the vids coming Bro!
Your videos are awesome!
This is a very small thing, but I had always envisioned the Engineer ship flying "prongs" forward, but the movies seem to show them flying "prongs" rearward. I'm just wondering how many other people were and are disoriented by seeing the ship as it appears to be flying backwards. It's like looking at pictures of a car you thought was so cool for a long time and then finding out what you thought were brake lights were headlights.
Exactly. And they always show the (now) back part, we have no idea how the supposed front looks like. This is unspoken of. Everywhere else the back of a ship is rarely shown, so I suspect the prongs side WAS always the front side, but they changed that for the movie, I don't know why, maybe to make it even more weird ...
i think it may be some old tradition, a custom like we have in many areas also military and naval. which could be just there for that sole purppse of upkeeping tradition maybe used as additional security mechanism to avoid un authorised personel of controling the ship.
I love the track you use in the background of your videos
I fully enjoyed it..thank you 😍😍😍😍
maybe blowing the flute was just a shortcut of starting the ship by using a 3 dimensional map of an authorized engineer's lungs when playing a particular note (and series of notes)?
So, magik flute responsible for how David imitates walter and stuff: as much sense as anything in the franchise...
These videos show so much that I overlooked in the movies. The amount of thought put towards the non-human components in the series is just amazing.
Kroft, you're SUPERB!!! Thank you!!! So many wonderful theories, thesis, speculations. You're the Engineer of our imagination :)
I love your theories man
I think it is indeed quite plausible that the Juggernauts are living organisms. Most likely not like an animal , not with own intelligence or even a consciousness, such a ship would certainly not require a pilot, but maybe more comparable to a tree or a plant. Given their seemingly organic structure, the Juggernauts really look like they are actually grown, not assembeled of individual parts. As the engineers seem to be true masters of biotechnology and are even capable of turning their own skin into space suits it is just logical for them to "engineer" an organism which is made for traveling through space and naturally able to withstand its harshness instead of laboriously constructing an artifical vessel like we do.
The engineers ship does not resemble the Ouroboros. The snake (or dragon in some depictions) actually has to swallow his tail (hence the symbol of infinity) and the ends of the ship don't connect at all. I think this comparison is a stretch.
ZombieMommy the ship looks like a hammerhead shark to me. One that is bent, malformed, and rigid.
There are many inspirations garnered from ancient Astronaut and creator God theories permeating Prometheus & Covenant.
Kroft was probably looking hard at every angle, like many of us do, to try to connect the dots that are there to connect. Some do. Some don't.
Part of the process of search & discovery!
Incorrect. Not a stretch in the slightest. Many Ouroboros are depicted with the snake head not connecting to the tail,, but simply being in close proximity to give an impression.
@@masamune2984 where??
The Engineer's ships actually remind me of the travel pillow head rests that go over the back of the neck and sit on the shoulders.
I can't wait for the next movie. R.Scott has alot of explaining to do there are alot questions we all have and I hope he answers them.
Very good point! I never thought about the ship and their suits being bioengineered. The flute explanation is excellent.
This makes sense. Great video!
Of the two things that make sense to you in life I'm sure this isn't one of them... just as long as you understand that it is my heated BBC that runs not only your be whole son, but your entire life as well. There's a song called "Don't Fear the Night Penis" that I think you should listen to before you go to sleep tonight.
I thought I was done after the movie was over but your videos are awesome thank you
Pretty good theory man. I concur.
Your analysis seems spot on to me!
This is a fascinating theory. I love it. It totally ties into Giger's designs and how the derelict and space jockey were more bone like in Alien. They were decomposing and the mechanical parts made the jockey look fossilised. It reminds me of Moya and Pilot from Farscape. You have a great channel, keep up the good work.
The exterior Moya design was heavily inspired by H.R. Giger. It even had the same brown/green/ivory color scheme as a lot of his paintings.
The interior on the other hand was a low budger papirmaché mess.
Bro, you just blew my mind, I never thought about that in all these years that the juggernauts were of organic properties. Makes perfect sense with everything about the ship and the suits were embedded into their bodies, that shit blew my mind!
Hi Kroft...love your videos very helpful entertaining an informative....i have question tho....what us that music you use in the background for your videos cause here i can hear it again in this video an just wanted to know what the music is what track is it
So the Juggernauts are like the Wraith ships in Stargåte: Atlantis?
Very interesting theory.
So this is why David taught Walter to play flute
COOL G RAPP layout man , what is that musical score sound in background
Great! Keep it up!
Love how you say the science behind juggernauts. Lol. Made me smile
Fascinating analysis! Even if your presumption about the ship being alive is wrong it's a wonderful interpretation. Ridley would be proud.
oh my God that picture you have of the Juggernaut at 1:55 ish captured that in the sky and they are huge
Great theory makes all the movies a little more interesting
Those sounds from the Juggernaut might’ve been the distress signal
Thanks kroft. Like your videos.
:) i hope engineers comes back in a another ridley scott movie
Kroft, U F-ing ROCK, Buddy!
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Excellent theory.
Still doesn't explain all the rape scenes though.
Math and music are very interconnected. Those who are very intelligent in regards to math are also usually quite good at learning music.
what background song is behind all of your videos? sounds nice
The biomechanical universe imagined by Giger is all-encompassing....why wouldn't the the derelict and juggernauts be alive? I always assumed this from first seeing Alien in 1978 - why is it being debated?
The space jockey technology would be far beyond the engineers copy and paste versions though - inside the derelict, space and time would be suspended, inner chambers stretching forever within a fifth dimension transcending our concepts of linear spacial boundaries (like a tardis....)
Enjoyed and agree with your theory. Keep up the good work but go back to your original slower speech style....forget these fan-boys and their pet-peeves!
What editing programs and or soft or hardware do U use?
David send a "message" to Elizabeth, when playing at the flute :)
The original Giger's design for what has become the "Alien" was called "biomechanoid" and all the 1979 Alien extraterrestrial designs looked really bio-mechanoidly too, so it would make sense the Engineer's technology is a marriage of those two elements. Nice video, thx!
awesome video!
i personally dont find it strange because organic parts to a space craft isnt really a new concept in sci fi tales
Interesting theory
What soundtrack did you use for this video
I always thought the ship was alive as well. That was the original theory from the '79 original film- " ...was it ( the space jocky) a he or she or an it, a biomechanical part of the ship in which it was travelling?" This was a part of the scenario from ALIEN before it first aired.
This would help support the theory that David didn't kill Shaw. Because if the ship is alive it could have affected Shaw while she was asleep.
Did anyone notice the DNA symbol on 4:58?
I never would have noticed.I wouldn't have expected something so demanding at alien covenant.maybe I have overlooked more
interesting. this could explain how the creatures they first encounter in prometheus came to be.
Good theory....
This is actually very interesting and kinda makes sense
Yeah
I wish Aliens was a real book like Game of Thrones, then I could read the missing pieces.
One day. Although, there're comics out there that helped to conclude the missing pieces somewhere (maybe as collector items?).
In engineering there's something called topology optimisation which shapes materials based on the forces they need to withstand, and often results in organic shapes. Biology does this too. Eg your bones reshape as you grow in part directed by forces you experience. Maybe the ship is like a tree in that relatively small mass is actually 'living' and the rest is 'dead' structural material. Honestly it's a bunch of tradeoffs, bulk material vs nanostructured, growth vs machining, repairability vs strength etc etc
Wow I never knew any of this very interesting
The biotek style of the ship as well as the Engineer's suit as well as the Alien in all its form's was inspired by and created by the Swiss artist H.R. Gieger and his art is full representations of biology mixed with technology. This could be the main reason why we see this in the films. It adds to the mysterious dark space horror aesthetic.
The nightmarish fusion of life and machinery was an obsession of H. R. Giger's. And it was he, who designed the Juggernaut. And the Space Jockey. That alone suffices for me to support your theory.
Very interesting it makes sense
can someone link me the background music? it sounds damn beautiful
how can David play a flute if he does not breathe? he's clearly not a human, so technicaly he does not need lungs...
the first aliens movie ship i thought was organici,e was alive at one time!
Whats your source? Where do you get info?
I think you have to consider when the original movie came out and also another book around the same time period called Contact by Carl Seagan. In the sci-fi Contact story there is brief comments on new tech from advanced civilization. One of these was a vat that you prepare in a certain way and it self organizes an organic framework in the case sort of like bone marrow for support. While DNA was know two years before the term genetic engineering was new as this time. Before that there was a “food from oil” concept. You put genetic instructions in a vat of oil and pull out proteins etc. Pulling out formed structures is the next step to the imagination. Today we tend to thing of this work as requiring a scaffolding instead but that is now and not then. If the ship is not properly alive it was at least this vat grown version of genetic engineering line of future imagining that was popular at the time.
What is the song called you use in your videos.
it's atlantis by audionautix
My idea for a third alien/prometheus movie is as follows:
The engineers are the main characters in the movie and comes to the planet that was in the Prometheus movie.
There they find Weyland inside the crashed spaceship. They have a blue elixir which they empty all over him and bring him to life.
In the next part they arrive at the planet from alien covenant and find the other robot(Walter) who is david's twin.The engineers use the blue elixir and repairs him.
Once awaken the engineers and Weyland get to know all the horrible things that David has done, and weyland says "we have to stop David" .
They set course for origae. When they arrive,they scans all the planet,and finds the planet is full of hostile organisms except
on a high mountain where they discover that there are humans inside a cave.
Inside the cave they meet a herd of children, who tell that when they had lived on the planet for over ten years,
they began to be attacked by Xenomorphs and all the adults died or were turned into these creatures.
There were also great giants developed by someone the children calls David.
The engineers get ready to wipe out all the Xenomorphs that David has created, but the great giants manage to escape with one of the engineers' spaceships.
The engineers and Weyland hunts the spaceship and manage to force the spaceship down on the planet lv426.Where it start sending a distress signal.
The engineers return to Origae to find David, but discover that he has escaped.
In the last part we see David arriving and meeting an unknown alien species
on a tropical like planet.And that makes the cliffhanger that ends the third movie.
So will the blue substance make Weyland young again or just alive? I just picture it more Scooby Doo-like with Weyland running around with an Engineer and Walter in tow, kind of comical.
@@geetaramnath3147 I did not think about that issue when I wrote this, but I guess it could be a good idea.
Maybe he could be regenerated to become younger while the engineers are traveling to Origae 6 like Milla Jovovich was in the fifth element?
Do you think I should include it in the story?
@@parmadacruz8755 you could maybe incorporate it somehow to your liking
It's very simple. The flute and its pattern produce certain frequencies and harmonics. All it is is a safety measure. The ship will activate when this specific sound pattern is played. Without that flute, pattern and engineer that ship would not start. Think of it like a very secure and sophisticated immobiliser for the ship. As for the ship being partly alive? Dont see it. And the room that changed wasnt on the ship. It was in the labs away from the ship. The mural began to tarnish because the environment had been changed in the room for the first time in over 2000 years. The materials in the mural would have oxidised. Either that or the mural itself was some sort of environmental monitor. But it had nothing to do with what you have suggested.
I agree with you.
-the mural changed with the intrusion of humans. even the previously frozen black liquid only came out of the urns after entering the room. the black liquid reacted like it should as a weapon. individually. adapted to the new given conditions of the "environment". just like it should happen on earth.
I'm a bit late but what I heard was the mother juggernaut is there to destroy any ship that poses a threat and as the goo was released it triggered a response to destroy the ship and they both crashed because of that.
Oroburos...🔥🔥epic
Very interesting and exciting. If so, maybe Derelict sent the signal to Nostromo by itself, not by the last survivors on it. It tried to warn everyone who were close to LV-426.
What is the name of the music used in this video?