This just explained some weird kinda transformer I salvaged from something. It had only three coils, but two of them were inputs with one center-tapped, and the other is just a simple output, just like this ozone generator has.
Hey +bigclivedotcom so since both the negative ion generators, and the ozone generators use a high voltage corona discharge, is this merely a difference in power output that distinguishes them? If so, then do both generate negative ions as well, but this one just generates more ions along with higher levels of ozone?
You should probably switch them so they work for 5 minutes after turning off the contact (and leaving the car). Most cars have a network that stays awake for a while.
i got one similar years ago from Amazon labeled Proto Air but haven't used it in quite some time thinkin it wasn't doin anything. ran across a couple take to bits videos here and found mine to open up. it definitely has circuitry, but the end has a wire/fine tip which i assume is a different method than the ones shown in BigClive's collection of car plugs. is there a sure test to know whether or not it works as intended other than by smell?
If it has a sharp point then it sounds like it's an ioniser, which is good. It will produce a very tiny amount of ozone, but its main function will be to precipitate dust out of the air.
I plan to make an ozone generator for my car to improve the efficiency. It will feed ozone into the air intake. I wonder if I will run into any/many issues when using a car ignition coil to generate the high voltage. After watching this, I am thinking to use a bulb with stainless wire mesh wrapped around it to create the discharge. I am not an electrician, so I am unsure of if I need other components or not.
Clive is this actual ozone or like the heaven fresh Negative ion generators? I think i did some research and there was a clear difference, correct me if i am wrong. Great video by the way, a wealth of knowledge!!
+ifell3 It's ozone. A proper negative ion generator uses either needles or a carbon fibre emitter to charge the air with an electrostatic field. Many ozone generators are passed off as ionizers to help sell them, but do not ionise the air beyond the unit at all.
+bigclivedotcom Thanks clive, i've just brought one, lets see how it goes. Keep up the good work, had to share your barbie doll rocket up arse video, that was funny!!
I'm not sure about how good it is for your health though. I tried doing something like this with a TV flyback, and while it felt very refreshing and "mountain air"-ish at first, after a few days it starting having a really irritating effect on my respiratory system and I stopped using it. It does help with cleaning dust & particles from the air though, because they're all on the ceiling and wall now, which both have turned black. :) Maybe the flyback is too strong? I used the original circuit on the TV board, I didn't build one of those drivers that arc a foot long across terminals.
Ri Max Ionizers are what help pull dust out of the air. Ozone is generally what causes irritation. But by their nature almost any ionizer also produces a certain amount of ozone and vice versa.
i like the way you explain stuff ! even though u get side tracked often.....it would have been nice if you finished explain how the 2 circuit halves connect together.
+realcygnus the primary side oscillates at low voltage and high current. It's magnetically coupled to the secondary side which reproduces the oscillation but with high voltage at low current. The three windings -- primary, feedback, and secondary -- are all part of the big transformer on the board. The secondary winding is physically divided so that the enamel on the wire won't have to withstand the full voltage difference from one end of the winding to the other end.
I got excited about ozone, and researched it. That certain gaskets/seals may rot is my understanding also, although everything in moderation. People with rare or special instruments or gadgets might avoid high sustained concentrations from O3 devices in the area. Mind you, photocopiers also produce ozone, as did tube TV, etc. Ozone is natures purifier, a certain amount of ozone is always present in the air as it's necessary for the oxidation of decaying organic matter: why doesn't nature stink with all that decaying going on from the cycle of life? Ozone is especially detectable after a rain storm. Why do we open our windows? It's not for the air cycling, but the purifying effect of the ozone we associate with fresh smell. Odour remediation companies use powerful ozone generators to clean bad smells. The occupants return after a few days when the treated air is cycled with fresh. If you use one at home, air out the house somewhat when you get home, and turn it off. They really work. It's like bleaching the air. I got rid of my generators though, and use something even better. Which is "Beneficial Microorganisms", that I ferment myself from a mother culture called "EM-1" (patented) I buy that has been produced under scientific conditions. It is a combination of three specific microorganisms. It employs synergy rather than killing. The EM digests all dead organic matter- including the INeffective microorganisms, which INcompletely digest it, causing the stink and more importantly, pathogens. Flies will not lay larvae on EM treated manure or compost, as there is nothing left for them to eat. More than that, microorganisms influence our minds through chemical interaction with the foods, medicines and toxins we ingest. So better use good EMs: for complete digestion and nutrient uptake of livestock and plants to increase yields. Use it on your car seats, under your armpits, as a counter wipe, in waste treatment plants, in petfood, and after a nuclear disaster. Sorry about the wall of text, but I thought you should know. PS: I love your teardowns Big Bear Clive.
Press G To Game You might want to let it run to generate some ozone while you're away to kill off bacteria and organic sources of smell. When you're back, you open the doors and let it air out, and it's gonna be fine, you're not gonna take any damage from little ozone residue.
Thauolar It's mis named. It causes the particles in the air that you can't see to drop to the ground (or floor) leaving the air that you breath fresher. It's just crazy that these criminally insane people go through this much trouble to make a fake. The circuitry is quite simple. Very cheap to make. So why not just MAKE THE REAL ONE? Don't know why they decided to call it that. Ozone is located in the upper atmosphere. If there's any left.
I know ozone rots tires, but what does it do to your upholstery? These oughta be good for high voltage, though. But there's no diode, so it puts out AC. It must be terribly inefficient as an ion generator.
Ozone doesn't really rot tires. UV Ultra violet light does. You'll notice on cars that are parked where they receive a lot of sunlight on one side but not the other that the tires will be dry rotted/cracked on that side.
Where did you get that magnifying device Clive? Looks very useful, even a search term would be helpful, I looked on Amazon for an hour but there's thousands of lighted magnifying glasses
bigclivedotcom ah that's what it's for. I can't imagine why anyone would want to drive around with an ozone generator in their car when it means breathing that stuff in. Hadn't occurred to me that it would be used while the car was parked and off
+gskaloyan Ozone generators don't only generate ozone, they also generate O2 which is the form of oxygen we breathe. Ozone can be dangerous in high levels. You're not going to typically be in a car that long, also opening and closing the door would let a lot out.
+lepayen Ozone is dangerous at almost any levels it binds to hemoglobin with a considerably stronger bond than O2 and even CO which means your red blood cells cannot carry oxygen and there is no mechanism that could actually strip the O3 from them. Ozone poisoning is pretty much the same as with CO any exposure to it can turn out deadly even at extremely low levels given enough time.
Well, that was a fun video. Got me thinking, I have a few failed compact fluorescents bulbs in my hazardous waste bag, let’s see if they work. I wrapped about 2m of solid core wire (from a discarded cat 5 cable - insulation stripped off of course) around a 1/4 inch threaded rod to make a long copper spring. Cut the electronics off the cf bulb so I just had the spiral tube left. Pushed the spring over the spiral tube from one end and spread it out along about half the length of the tube. Then, using one of those cheap Chinese cigarette lighter type high voltage generators I connected one end to the copper spring, the other to the cf bulb wires, doesn’t matter which wire, any one that stick out of the tube will do. Apply about 5V and the bulb fires up nice and bright. The nauseating smell of ozone (I presume) assailed my nostrils and wallah, I have the first part of my sterilization container. Can’t say how much ozone but it seems to work. Can’t see the purple corona above the cf bulb’s bright light but smell is there within seconds. Only problem is that the cheap electronics gets very hot so I have had to add a temperature sensor to the transistor’s heat sink with a little circuit to turn it off when it gets above 70C and on when it gets below about 50C. We still have a few weeks of lockdown so who knows how much it will develop by then. Thanks for the idea.
A thought: why not buy one, for the case and a "free" blue LED, and then build your own? The wire mesh could come from a screened co-axial cable. PS. At the time of writing, '48express' doesn't stock these. Maybe he couldn't get any genuine ones from his wholesaler.
If every car owner on the planet used one of these, would it fix the hole in the ozone layer? if not why? Cheers Clive always find your vidsinteresting
If the O3 molecule wants to get rid of that extra oxygen atom and does that by binding it to anything that will oxidize, then won't that end up corroding every bit of metal in the car that the O3 can get to? Not to mention the toxicity of breathing ozone.
+Beesta Skarien In a way, yes. Pure Oxygen is poisonous as well, since it, well, oxidizes stuff. But to your lungs Ozone isn't directly poisnous but just unbreathable, so it suffocates you. This device isn't intended for use while being in the car. It's supposed to steal atoms from "bad-smelling" molecules while you're not in the car.
Natural resources going straight from factory to landfill. Many of these vendors are good at refunding though. Enough people complain, they will make sure they have the real thing.
+serhat kocak I just bought 2 black "Mini Auto Car Air Vitamin Ionic Purifier Oxygen Freshener Ionizer Ozone Cleaner" from this 48express-uk seller and they are real ones.
It's likely that the designer who paid the R&D costs was ripped-off by the PCB manufacturer who took it upon himself to steal the design after charging to produce them for the designer.
+Soph LeOaf +Soph LeOaf I thank you. But, you would be surprised how many people find it offensive and actually take the time to send me comments saying so. I couldn't care less. To date you are the only one to send me positive feedback. So, I guess our sense of humor isn't widely appreciated.
It gets rid of strong odors by oxidising them and can also kill airborne bacteria. The downside is that ozone oxidises other materials like rubber and metal too, and isn't good to breath large amounts of continuously. But having said that, these units produce low levels of ozone. (But still strong enough to notice when I tested it.)
Based on a quick check about side-effects, ozone and speakers don't mix well as it can attack the foam/rubber surround of the speaker cones, so probably not wise to use one in a car with any serious speaker upgrade.
From Wikepedia: Ozone is a powerful oxidant (far more so than dioxygen) and has many industrial and consumer applications related to oxidation. This same high oxidising potential, however, causes ozone to damage mucous and respiratory tissues in animals, and also tissues in plants, above concentrations of about 100 ppb. This makes ozone a potent respiratory hazard and pollutant near ground level. There is a great deal of evidence to show that ground level ozone can harm lung function and irritate the respiratory system.[33][43] Exposure to ozone (and the pollutants that produce it) is linked to premature death, asthma, bronchitis, heart attack, and other cardiopulmonary problems. Ozone generators are used to produce ozone for cleaning air or remove smoke odors[68] in unoccupied rooms. "evidence to show that at concentrations that do not exceed public health standards, ozone is not effective at removing many odor-causing chemicals" or "viruses, bacteria, mold, or other biological pollutants".
The real ones produce a surprising level of ozone, that is a strong airborne oxidiser. So the real thing will absolutely nuke airborne odours in a car. Preferably while you're not in it.
bigclivedotcom Ozone at human acceptable levels has been shown not to be effective at deodorizing or disinfecting. Sadly, a lot of 12v sockets turn off with the car, so you couldn't let it build up overnight or something : (
Well I mean, you just have to get near a generator to smell it. I'm wondering if maybe the issue is that it just masks odors and after you shut it off the smells remain? Or if the amount of ozone required to actually sanitize would be harmful to health.
+Doazic Oxidizing odors works, it works the same as peroxide. However, it will not remove the source of the odor. You have to clean the car first, and the ozone generator will deodorize airborne odors. I am not sure what the OP is on about, its very sound science. Perhaps it has to do with the amount of ozone generated, or attempting to deodorize rotten fish without first removing the rotten fish xD
+SilentS Why must you slither so? No one has made any claim that it disinfects, and Clive has said you should not be in the car while it's in operation, so talking about "human acceptable levels" is redundant. Let's not split hairs.
Clive, I be the last to remark on your mastery of craft, but your no master of mine. Deadly oxidation products of ozone can hang about for a very long time. There is no safe way to use ozone.
Come again please? Ozone molecule is highly unstable... thus the free Oxygen released from the molecule in order to reach a stable condition bonds to almost anything... You don't find Ozone at ground level unless locally generated...
I won't :P But please... feel free to catch any free ozone molecules at ground level, pack them and send them to me (at any charge as I will pay for it)... and I'll eat any of 'em that are not already decomposed in O2+ free Oxygen atoms not bonded to anything else... :D...
Another fake. It turns out it was actually three fakes for $9 AUD. I suppose I that's better than one fake for $9... the seller was "moyinltd". I'm not sure if I'll keep doing this.
joelie83 They will generally either just refund your money, or try and fob you off by asking you to return it with recorded delivery knowing it would cost more to do that than the cost of the unit. Just say that's no problem if they pay for the return shipping in advance. Then they may try to offer a partial refund. You can either take that or hold out for the full refund.
+ScottDLR Because this device isn't supposed to be used while you're in the car. As you might know, Ozone is a strong oxidizer, so, while you're not in the car, you can use it to break up the molecular bonds in moleules we commonly associate with bad smell. --- From what I have read in the final report of the study you linked, Ozone does not cause cells to mutate, but it supports their growth, which does make sense, seeing how cells need Oxygen to turn their food molecules, like glucose, into energy.
While this might oxidize organic matter in the air of the car, such as car exhaust fumes and the amount of Ozone generated is relatively small, it can build up in the car's enclosed environment. The products of this oxidation may be more toxic than the original fumes. Ozone is 10 times more toxic than hydrogen cyanide. There is a possibility that the ozone will attack the plastic and metal fittings of the car, making the plastic brittle and leaving a corroded surface on exposed metal. If the oscillator circuit is not well suppressed, it's operation can result in electrical noise being injected on to the car wiring, resulting in radio interference on the car radio and audio. So this is one product I will not be fitting in my car.
Um. You don't use this while you're driving around. You plug it into the cigarette lighter and leave the doors shut say overnight when you're in the house.
Thank you for explaining to us a simple oscillating circuitry, fed by a transformer that feeds from a low 12V dc circuitry, yet I'm looking BEYONG the trinket... into the 'merchant's' side, that brings these to us (the West). With a simple thing, they fed the World's insatiable thirst for gadgets that will "do" things for them, instead of them making things for the World. The idea is ingeniously good. Thanks. The rest of the World is doomed; all their industries, I mean, if we do not do as they do: COPY and make.{edit: I forgot to notice the deception behind these merchant's philosophy. Sad, really, too.}
Colin, you really should not have ozone inside your car. At least not when you are inside it. Ozone is toxic even at very low concentrations. I refer you to the following government (US) document regarding ozone generators: www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/ozone-generators-are-sold-air-cleaners
did you noticed that the transistor on the fake one isnt even connected to anything? :D
Yes
he points that out in another video.... also, yes.
This just explained some weird kinda transformer I salvaged from something. It had only three coils, but two of them were inputs with one center-tapped, and the other is just a simple output, just like this ozone generator has.
Just got mine from AliExpress. S3.17 CDN. About £1.84. And it was loose wrapped in bubble wrap and is a real one.
Any chance of a link please ? I need one but don't want to wait a month for just one LED
Need a link please
Hey +bigclivedotcom so since both the negative ion generators, and the ozone generators use a high voltage corona discharge, is this merely a difference in power output that distinguishes them? If so, then do both generate negative ions as well, but this one just generates more ions along with higher levels of ozone?
Hi at all..someone have a web link to buy one generator no-fake in Europe !? CiA0 (IT)
Where can I find a genuine one?
I'd just buy a taser module and make my own high-powered ozone generator. That is, make a taser. That you can smell. Self defense while disinfecting.
peek inside when choosing one
You should probably switch them so they work for 5 minutes after turning off the contact (and leaving the car). Most cars have a network that stays awake for a while.
so what do i do to get a real one and not a fake?
i got one similar years ago from Amazon labeled Proto Air but haven't used it in quite some time thinkin it wasn't doin anything. ran across a couple take to bits videos here and found mine to open up. it definitely has circuitry, but the end has a wire/fine tip which i assume is a different method than the ones shown in BigClive's collection of car plugs. is there a sure test to know whether or not it works as intended other than by smell?
If it has a sharp point then it sounds like it's an ioniser, which is good. It will produce a very tiny amount of ozone, but its main function will be to precipitate dust out of the air.
I plan to make an ozone generator for my car to improve the efficiency. It will feed ozone into the air intake. I wonder if I will run into any/many issues when using a car ignition coil to generate the high voltage. After watching this, I am thinking to use a bulb with stainless wire mesh wrapped around it to create the discharge. I am not an electrician, so I am unsure of if I need other components or not.
I didn't realise it could improve efficiency? You need a high frequency switching circuit in order for the coil to create high voltage.
The glass of the Neon lamp will NOT conduct the electrons, instead it acts as a dielectricum in a condensor. Therefore the circuit uses HF AC!
If we were to leave millions of real ozone generators running, could we fix the hole in the atmospheric ozone layer? Lol.
+Loren Husky It doesn't work like that. The ozone has to be generated where it is needed as the oxygen molecules recombine quickly.
Put them on solar powered balloons and float them into place. Problem solved. Where's my nobel prize?
The whole is fake. God created this earth and put a dome on top. That global warming is a scam to bring the new world order. Do some research.
Clive is this actual ozone or like the heaven fresh Negative ion generators? I think i did some research and there was a clear difference, correct me if i am wrong. Great video by the way, a wealth of knowledge!!
+ifell3 It's ozone. A proper negative ion generator uses either needles or a carbon fibre emitter to charge the air with an electrostatic field. Many ozone generators are passed off as ionizers to help sell them, but do not ionise the air beyond the unit at all.
+bigclivedotcom Thanks clive, i've just brought one, lets see how it goes. Keep up the good work, had to share your barbie doll rocket up arse video, that was funny!!
So by now nine Chinese viewers have checked this video out.
*17 now
I'm not sure about how good it is for your health though. I tried doing something like this with a TV flyback, and while it felt very refreshing and "mountain air"-ish at first, after a few days it starting having a really irritating effect on my respiratory system and I stopped using it. It does help with cleaning dust & particles from the air though, because they're all on the ceiling and wall now, which both have turned black. :)
Maybe the flyback is too strong? I used the original circuit on the TV board, I didn't build one of those drivers that arc a foot long across terminals.
Ri Max Ionizers are what help pull dust out of the air. Ozone is generally what causes irritation. But by their nature almost any ionizer also produces a certain amount of ozone and vice versa.
I read that ozone generators must be AC powered, because DC gives also nitrogen oxides. Is it a transformer with integrated voltage multiplier?
i like the way you explain stuff ! even though u get side tracked often.....it would have been nice if you finished explain how the 2 circuit halves connect together.
+realcygnus the primary side oscillates at low voltage and high current. It's magnetically coupled to the secondary side which reproduces the oscillation but with high voltage at low current. The three windings -- primary, feedback, and secondary -- are all part of the big transformer on the board. The secondary winding is physically divided so that the enamel on the wire won't have to withstand the full voltage difference from one end of the winding to the other end.
5:38 and 5:46 ATOMS Clive, atoms, not molecules...
I've got one of those plasma rods(work just like plasma globes), would covering it in tin foil and grounding make ozone?
It#s possible that using a stainless steel mesh on the outside referenced to the other end of the high voltage transformer might work.
Won't ozone wreak havoc on rubber seals, gaskets etc?
I got excited about ozone, and researched it. That certain gaskets/seals may rot is my understanding also, although everything in moderation. People with rare or special instruments or gadgets might avoid high sustained concentrations from O3 devices in the area. Mind you, photocopiers also produce ozone, as did tube TV, etc.
Ozone is natures purifier, a certain amount of ozone is always present in the air as it's necessary for the oxidation of decaying organic matter: why doesn't nature stink with all that decaying going on from the cycle of life? Ozone is especially detectable after a rain storm. Why do we open our windows? It's not for the air cycling, but the purifying effect of the ozone we associate with fresh smell.
Odour remediation companies use powerful ozone generators to clean bad smells. The occupants return after a few days when the treated air is cycled with fresh. If you use one at home, air out the house somewhat when you get home, and turn it off.
They really work. It's like bleaching the air. I got rid of my generators though, and use something even better.
Which is "Beneficial Microorganisms", that I ferment myself from a mother culture called "EM-1" (patented) I buy that has been produced under scientific conditions. It is a combination of three specific microorganisms. It employs synergy rather than killing.
The EM digests all dead organic matter- including the INeffective microorganisms, which INcompletely digest it, causing the stink and more importantly, pathogens. Flies will not lay larvae on EM treated manure or compost, as there is nothing left for them to eat.
More than that, microorganisms influence our minds through chemical interaction with the foods, medicines and toxins we ingest. So better use good EMs: for complete digestion and nutrient uptake of livestock and plants to increase yields. Use it on your car seats, under your armpits, as a counter wipe, in waste treatment plants, in petfood, and after a nuclear disaster.
Sorry about the wall of text, but I thought you should know.
PS: I love your teardowns Big Bear Clive.
life time of these device ? i mean how long it can generate ozen ,
ist ozon toxic why would you want to generate it in your car
It smells good.
Press G To Game You might want to let it run to generate some ozone while you're away to kill off bacteria and organic sources of smell. When you're back, you open the doors and let it air out, and it's gonna be fine, you're not gonna take any damage from little ozone residue.
Thauolar
It's mis named. It causes the particles in the air that you can't see to drop to the ground (or floor) leaving the air that you breath fresher. It's just crazy that these criminally insane people go through this much trouble to make a fake. The circuitry is quite simple. Very cheap to make. So why not just MAKE THE REAL ONE? Don't know why they decided to call it that. Ozone is located in the upper atmosphere. If there's any left.
What ist ozon?
ozone is 03, that's what it is making here using the UV bulb
Nice. I don't have use for the generated Ozone, but this is a nice device
I know ozone rots tires, but what does it do to your upholstery?
These oughta be good for high voltage, though. But there's no diode, so it puts out AC. It must be terribly inefficient as an ion generator.
Ozone doesn't really rot tires. UV Ultra violet light does. You'll notice on cars that are parked where they receive a lot of sunlight on one side but not the other that the tires will be dry rotted/cracked on that side.
As it produces ozone it pushes repels ozone to the atmosphere cause like charges repels.
Where did you get that magnifying device Clive? Looks very useful, even a search term would be helpful, I looked on Amazon for an hour but there's thousands of lighted magnifying glasses
I tend to buy my illuminated magnifiers on eBay from China. There's a wide range.
Ok, thank you sir... Once I get down from this tower and hit the ground I'm going to order me a couple of China's finest ;) thanks for the help
I like this style. They are available in different magnifications.
www.ebay.com/itm/361680665564
That's perfect actually, I really appreciate you taking the time to converse w/your subscribers as I've seen you do many times.
Fascinating. Always been interested in these :-)
the discharge also brings about a lot on NOx (nitrogen oxides)which is carcinogenic.
Won't the ozone attack the car plastics?
If left running continuously it may cause oxidation effects. Mainly to rubber.
isn't ozone toxic at ground levels? Why would you wnt to generate that inside your car?
+gskaloyan It is a strong oxidiser, so it could be used to remove lingering odours from a car, but not while you were sitting in it.
bigclivedotcom ah that's what it's for.
I can't imagine why anyone would want to drive around with an ozone generator in their car when it means breathing that stuff in.
Hadn't occurred to me that it would be used while the car was parked and off
+gskaloyan Ozone generators don't only generate ozone, they also generate O2 which is the form of oxygen we breathe. Ozone can be dangerous in high levels. You're not going to typically be in a car that long, also opening and closing the door would let a lot out.
+lepayen Ozone is dangerous at almost any levels it binds to hemoglobin with a considerably stronger bond than O2 and even CO which means your red blood cells cannot carry oxygen and there is no mechanism that could actually strip the O3 from them.
Ozone poisoning is pretty much the same as with CO any exposure to it can turn out deadly even at extremely low levels given enough time.
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www.jenesco.com/ozone-generator-safe-use.html
I just received mine and when I took it apart found it contained a resistor in series with an LED. It appears to be a fake one.
Yeah. The fakes are very common.
Do these plug into cig outlet?
Yes. If anything the REAL ones generate a bit too much ozone to be in the car with.
Do you report people on ebay who sell you fake stuff?
Well, that was a fun video. Got me thinking, I have a few failed compact fluorescents bulbs in my hazardous waste bag, let’s see if they work.
I wrapped about 2m of solid core wire (from a discarded cat 5 cable - insulation stripped off of course) around a 1/4 inch threaded rod to make a long copper spring.
Cut the electronics off the cf bulb so I just had the spiral tube left.
Pushed the spring over the spiral tube from one end and spread it out along about half the length of the tube.
Then, using one of those cheap Chinese cigarette lighter type high voltage generators I connected one end to the copper spring, the other to the cf bulb wires, doesn’t matter which wire, any one that stick out of the tube will do.
Apply about 5V and the bulb fires up nice and bright. The nauseating smell of ozone (I presume) assailed my nostrils and wallah, I have the first part of my sterilization container.
Can’t say how much ozone but it seems to work. Can’t see the purple corona above the cf bulb’s bright light but smell is there within seconds.
Only problem is that the cheap electronics gets very hot so I have had to add a temperature sensor to the transistor’s heat sink with a little circuit to turn it off when it gets above 70C and on when it gets below about 50C. We still have a few weeks of lockdown so who knows how much it will develop by then.
Thanks for the idea.
I would carefully recycle those CF bulbs. Each has a few milligrams of mercury in it.
Mircea Croitor: Sure, when I’m done with them.
Full Opposite Lock : The non French version of Voilà...
@@fulloppositelock6778 Similar to an "eureka!" moment.
A thought: why not buy one, for the case and a "free" blue LED, and then build your own? The wire mesh could come from a screened co-axial cable. PS. At the time of writing, '48express' doesn't stock these. Maybe he couldn't get any genuine ones from his wholesaler.
I may have missed it, but how do you know that the one in the package is fake?
If you look through the slots at the front the real ones have a white glass lamp with a metal mesh sleeve, while the fake ones just have a clear LED.
@@bigclivedotcom cool thanks.
such a nice explanation, thank's!
What is the use of this device for?
It deodorises car interiors by creating a strong oxidising gas.
@@bigclivedotcom thanks , Can this gas also eliminate corona?
@@kourosh1526 It can have an oxidising effect on all organic matter. But it would require levels dangerous to humans for a guaranteed effect.
@@bigclivedotcom thanks 👍
Thanks for doing this video
What is the purpose of an ozone generator for a car?
Odor control. Ozone oxidises airborne odors and their sources. (Within reason.)
Is it substantial without being dangerous?
I don't think I'd want to leave it plugged in all the time while I was driving.
Whats the company name?
If every car owner on the planet used one of these, would it fix the hole in the ozone layer? if not why?
Cheers Clive always find your vidsinteresting
+kelvinchill Ozone is diminished before it reaches that height. It has to be generated in-situ by the reaction of the suns UV with oxygen.
+kelvinchill the hole isn't even there anymore
+Torc Handsomeson Damn! We're going to have to make another one.
+Torc Handsomeson The ozone hole is still there and larger than ever, so Idk where you got that idea from. ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/
+bigclivedotcom www.livescience.com/52749-ozone-hole-near-record-breaking-size.html
If the O3 molecule wants to get rid of that extra oxygen atom and does that by binding it to anything that will oxidize, then won't that end up corroding every bit of metal in the car that the O3 can get to? Not to mention the toxicity of breathing ozone.
So Clive, no good seller found?
Uups.. Found your showdown 😊
What about weight and difference between?
Also there seem to be a "new 2015 model" wich contains a blue led also..., or so they say.. Few pics also showed coil over bulb, not mesh
isn't ozone a poisonous?
+Beesta Skarien
In a way, yes. Pure Oxygen is poisonous as well, since it, well, oxidizes stuff. But to your lungs Ozone isn't directly poisnous but just unbreathable, so it suffocates you. This device isn't intended for use while being in the car. It's supposed to steal atoms from "bad-smelling" molecules while you're not in the car.
Ozone is intensely toxic. Concentrations as low as 50 ppm have proven to be fatal within half an hour.
+Shpoople nope
How is it propaganda, Roberts?
Natural resources going straight from factory to landfill. Many of these vendors are good at refunding though. Enough people complain, they will make sure they have the real thing.
Buy the fake if you plan to be in the car when its running. I guess you could run it during the night if you have a socket that stays live.
Is it dangerous to sit in your car or a long period of time with one of these plugged in a real one I mean
It wouldn't be recommended, no.
Why are you wearing a beanie indoors?
It was filmed in December and I deliberately keep a cold house.
When you buy stuff like that from ebay and it's fake do you end up getting your money back?
+Euras If you open a dispute then yes you should, but the seller may request that the item be sent back at your expense.
2:26 shocking reality!
I'll be on the look-out for practical uses for ozone now, just so I have an excuse to buy one of these.
Here's one: deodorizing freezers.
ZOOM IN!!!!
I would buy that for the neon lamp in a heartbeat
And the replies to the comment below are not worth reading.
Could you include the sellers name so we dont buy the fake one
+serhat kocak I just bought 2 black "Mini Auto Car Air Vitamin Ionic Purifier Oxygen Freshener Ionizer Ozone Cleaner" from this 48express-uk seller and they are real ones.
just ordered from 48express-uk will see if it turns out fake or not ;)
Andi Trev And did it turn up to be a fake one ? I ordered from double-turbo on ebay and received a fake one. But I stil want a real one !
yep was a real one, but looks like it failed ATM
+Andi Trev got a real one, and mine works!
It's likely that the designer who paid the R&D costs was ripped-off by the PCB manufacturer who took it upon himself to steal the design after charging to produce them for the designer.
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+Soph LeOaf +Soph LeOaf I thank you. But, you would be surprised how many people find it offensive and actually take the time to send me comments saying so. I couldn't care less. To date you are the only one to send me positive feedback. So, I guess our sense of humor isn't widely appreciated.
What are they for?
Why would you want Ozone in the car?
It gets rid of strong odors by oxidising them and can also kill airborne bacteria. The downside is that ozone oxidises other materials like rubber and metal too, and isn't good to breath large amounts of continuously. But having said that, these units produce low levels of ozone. (But still strong enough to notice when I tested it.)
Do you use them in your car or just wanted to see the construction?
artifactingreality I just bought it to take to bits and see how they were generating the ozone.
Based on a quick check about side-effects, ozone and speakers don't mix well as it can attack the foam/rubber surround of the speaker cones, so probably not wise to use one in a car with any serious speaker upgrade.
I want it only for miniature royer!
Bigclivedotcom, care to send me one of the real ones to savevme the hassle of getting a fake?
How dare they selling a freaking led light aka NOT an actual air ionizer...
i want one in my car
From Wikepedia: Ozone is a powerful oxidant (far more so than dioxygen) and has many industrial and consumer applications related to oxidation. This same high oxidising potential, however, causes ozone to damage mucous and respiratory tissues in animals, and also tissues in plants, above concentrations of about 100 ppb. This makes ozone a potent respiratory hazard and pollutant near ground level. There is a great deal of evidence to show that ground level ozone can harm lung function and irritate the respiratory system.[33][43] Exposure to ozone (and the pollutants that produce it) is linked to premature death, asthma, bronchitis, heart attack, and other cardiopulmonary problems. Ozone generators are used to produce ozone for cleaning air or remove smoke odors[68] in unoccupied rooms. "evidence to show that at concentrations that do not exceed public health standards, ozone is not effective at removing many odor-causing chemicals" or "viruses, bacteria, mold, or other biological pollutants".
clive how bout a damn link to the damn real one instead of us buying 50 fakes lead us to the real one damit.. damn damn
Good luck with the headache.
sooooo they help the vehicle rot away!.?.....
Just received a fake one from ebay seller "double-turbo", be warned !
Of course the one with the LED is probably just as effective at deodorizing your car as the real one (i.e. not at all effective).
The real ones produce a surprising level of ozone, that is a strong airborne oxidiser. So the real thing will absolutely nuke airborne odours in a car. Preferably while you're not in it.
bigclivedotcom Ozone at human acceptable levels has been shown not to be effective at deodorizing or disinfecting. Sadly, a lot of 12v sockets turn off with the car, so you couldn't let it build up overnight or something : (
Well I mean, you just have to get near a generator to smell it. I'm wondering if maybe the issue is that it just masks odors and after you shut it off the smells remain? Or if the amount of ozone required to actually sanitize would be harmful to health.
+Doazic Oxidizing odors works, it works the same as peroxide. However, it will not remove the source of the odor. You have to clean the car first, and the ozone generator will deodorize airborne odors. I am not sure what the OP is on about, its very sound science. Perhaps it has to do with the amount of ozone generated, or attempting to deodorize rotten fish without first removing the rotten fish xD
+SilentS Why must you slither so? No one has made any claim that it disinfects, and Clive has said you should not be in the car while it's in operation, so talking about "human acceptable levels" is redundant. Let's not split hairs.
Ozone is not dangerous
I heard its dangerous but this guy keeps sniffing it in... Lol is this guy still alive?
Yes I'm still alive. See my most recent video called "The great big ozone video"
looks like the tesla bulbe, acting as a diode to the steel mesh
Clive, I be the last to remark on your mastery of craft, but your no master of mine. Deadly oxidation products of ozone can hang about for a very long time. There is no safe way to use ozone.
it'a good thing, too, that theres so many fakes around. ground level ozone is a big health problem
The exhaust coming out of your cars tail pipe has FAR more ozone than this little thing generates.
Come again please? Ozone molecule is highly unstable... thus the free Oxygen released from the molecule in order to reach a stable condition bonds to almost anything... You don't find Ozone at ground level unless locally generated...
google it mate
I won't :P But please... feel free to catch any free ozone molecules at ground level, pack them and send them to me (at any charge as I will pay for it)... and I'll eat any of 'em that are not already decomposed in O2+ free Oxygen atoms not bonded to anything else... :D...
Ordered one and only one so I could tell the good sellers from the bad. "keyhere" is a fake seller.
I've just ordered another. Almost $9 AUD. It bloody-well better not be a single LED for $9. I'll update when it arrives in a month.
joelie83 Sadly the price is no guarantee, so if it does turn out to be a fake one then have no hesitation in opening a dispute.
Another fake. It turns out it was actually three fakes for $9 AUD. I suppose I that's better than one fake for $9... the seller was "moyinltd". I'm not sure if I'll keep doing this.
bigclivedotcom Opened a "return request". That should be a bit of entertainment.
joelie83 They will generally either just refund your money, or try and fob you off by asking you to return it with recorded delivery knowing it would cost more to do that than the cost of the unit. Just say that's no problem if they pay for the return shipping in advance. Then they may try to offer a partial refund. You can either take that or hold out for the full refund.
Why on earth would one want to generate ozone (a known carcinogen) in the confines of a car?
+Drayson Roberts
Some studies suggest otherwise: cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/fuseaction/display.abstractDetail/abstract/2314
+ScottDLR
Because this device isn't supposed to be used while you're in the car. As you might know, Ozone is a strong oxidizer, so, while you're not in the car, you can use it to break up the molecular bonds in moleules we commonly associate with bad smell.
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From what I have read in the final report of the study you linked, Ozone does not cause cells to mutate, but it supports their growth, which does make sense, seeing how cells need Oxygen to turn their food molecules, like glucose, into energy.
Ryan Spyksma That's what I've been saying!
Because it smells good? I mean, if there's any chemical to get cancer from, at least Ozone will remind you of a spring thunderstorm while doing so.
While this might oxidize organic matter in the air of the car, such as car exhaust fumes and the amount of Ozone generated is relatively small, it can build up in the car's enclosed environment. The products of this oxidation may be more toxic than the original fumes. Ozone is 10 times more toxic than hydrogen cyanide. There is a possibility that the ozone will attack the plastic and metal fittings of the car, making the plastic brittle and leaving a corroded surface on exposed metal. If the oscillator circuit is not well suppressed, it's operation can result in electrical noise being injected on to the car wiring, resulting in radio interference on the car radio and audio. So this is one product I will not be fitting in my car.
Um. You don't use this while you're driving around. You plug it into the cigarette lighter and leave the doors shut say overnight when you're in the house.
Thank you for explaining to us a simple oscillating circuitry, fed by a transformer that feeds from a low 12V dc circuitry, yet I'm looking BEYONG the trinket... into the 'merchant's' side, that brings these to us (the West). With a simple thing, they fed the World's insatiable thirst for gadgets that will "do" things for them, instead of them making things for the World. The idea is ingeniously good. Thanks. The rest of the World is doomed; all their industries, I mean, if we do not do as they do: COPY and make.{edit: I forgot to notice the deception behind these merchant's philosophy. Sad, really, too.}
Why is this imporant to havea
On ur car
It suppresses the smell of farts.
Dont buy from the seller volatinzeind they are fake
first analyze,then make plan,then tape it, ;cause you're confusing.
+Fnark Olog Big Clive demonstrates the process of _reverse engineering_, a critical maker/fixer skill.
+Fnark Olog Welcome.
Colin, you really should not have ozone inside your car. At least not when you are inside it. Ozone is toxic even at very low concentrations. I refer you to the following government (US) document regarding ozone generators: www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/ozone-generators-are-sold-air-cleaners
This product is not supposed to be used while you're in the car.