I searched for a long time to find the right lenses for me and my work, I finally bought all 3 ATX II zooms earlier this year and I absolutely love them. Just came back to say thank you for this video and the mini doc at the end. You 100% led me to these lens and I really appreciate it.
The nice lady is back! I love these lenses as well. I think from 50-70mm the second zoom is just OK, and it starts to become magical from 70mm on up. For the wide zoom I prefer the Vista full frame, that lens is pure magic at all focal lengths. But like you said, the Vistas are heavier.
Great job on this review. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience with these lenses. I appreciate what you are doing. Beautiful images on your doc too!
Thank you for the detailed review. Love your content! the 11-20mm has absolutely no breathing. I had heard the 50-135 also did not breathe (in an old NAB interview with a Tokina Rep), but in your test it looks like it does, although controlled. The 135 end seemed less pronounced than the 50 end.
cool video. one bit of info : don't try to check colmination or flangeback adjustment stopped down. you should do it wide open otherwise DoF will hide a margin of error. Also don't focus wide open and stop down as that can also cause focus to shift, don't ask how I know.
Great to have you back as a reviewer and thanks for this nice review. :-) I do own the older Tokina Cine 11-16mm which is also great (but has a bit less controlled CAs) and 2 of the first gen Tokina Cine 50-135mm T3.0. It seems Tokina made a lot of improvements to the first gen. For example the gears on mine are in a bit awkward positions, the focus gear has a point in the middle where it seems to stick a bit and the lens support holes are not perfectly centered so it takes a bit of force the screw a lens support in (like the one from Bright Tangerine). And when I turn the aperture from t4.0 to t3.0 there isn't much of a brightness change - this depends a bit on the focal length tho. Is this better on your MKII? All in all the image from the 35-100mm is special and I love it for talking heads. The only thing which looks like to be not improved in the MKII seems to be the focus breathing which especially at 50mm is still very distracting. If they ever make an MKIII I would love to have the focus breathing fixed and a faster T-stop.
@@NiceLadyProductions Seriously cannot wait! I do enjoy the clinical test videos in those fancy studios but I feel like I can digest your information so much easier. I understand it all, but your videos have a special vibe to them!
Hi, you might also look into the cine-rehousings of the sigma art still lens zooms. There is a company "Cinematics" that rehouses them and makes them work as parfocal unlike sigmas own cinema line. the 18-35 has no breathing. the 50-100 has lots of breathing, but I dont have a big problem with that. Ive got myself a set of them. Those Tokinas look beautiful, but the aperture of T2.9 is a bit of a dealbreaker for me.
Great review and lovely footage! I am in love with the Komodo and the look coming from the Red color science. Have you tested out any of the Fujinon or DZOFilm lenses of similar focal lengths? I'm curious how they would compare to the Tokinas. I've only tested the Fujinon 50-135 and while I loved the sharpness and look, it was just too large. I was also using it on a Sony A7siii. I think the body of these mirrorless cameras are too small, it just felt unbalanced and hard to manage when paired with such a small camera body.
I have used the Fujinon on a Sony F7S, I like how light they are but they are so long. I don't think I'd run anything longer on the Komodo than the 80-135 because as you say balancing becomes a problem. A standard 70-200 would even be would be crazy unless you're filming strictly on a tripod or shoulder mount or counterbalancing with v-mount. Cheers!
@@NiceLadyProductions Haha yeah I know what you mean. I typically stop down a bit when I want to make sure my in focus areas are super sharp. I'm going to have to give both lenses a go and see how they compare. I also prefer more sharpness overall.
have you ever tested sensor coverage of the 50-135 on full frame? I am looking at it for it's versatility but I use full frame cameras. I can put them in to s35 mode, but I was curious how much vignetting may occur with the 50-135. thanks!
Yeah, their website states the image circles for: ATX 11-20mm ⌀30.0mm ATX 16-28 MKII ⌀45.1mm ATX 25-75mm ⌀36.0mm ATX 50-135mm MKII ⌀31.2mm So for a full frame no vigneting that’s the 16-28mm.. Then I was surprised to see that the zoom 25-75 has a 36mm image circle. So with black bars top and bottom we might have an option?
Are you pulling those zooms by hand or do you have a motor? I’m interested in renting these for an upcoming shoot and want to be able to do slow consistent zooms but keep it fairly run and gun… thanks!
Thank you for your review - much appreciated. FYI, we purchased this for our Red Gemini and at 5K resolution there is heavy vignetting below 15mm and had to return. Sounds like it was not a problem on your camera - did you encounter this?
First time to your channel and I loved this! So informative! Thank you!! I was curious about your sharpening technique in fcpx. You said you added 2 points of it. I still don't have a best practice for adding sharpening in post within fcpx that doesn't look godawful lol. Would love a quick line about that.
Great review! I saw you used both the komodo and raven. What are your thoughts comparing those against each other? I'm interested in picking up my first red, and those seem like the best two options
Awesome vid. Just curious what sharpening tool you use in FCPX? The built in Sharpen plugin in FCPX never looks right to me. I also use the Raven and yes it's very soft right out of camera
Thanks. Yes I use the basic FCPX sharpening tool but never go over the 2 points as at the standard 2.5 it's too much. When using Davinci I go to minus 48 or 47 on my last node and there's also the output setting in REDCINE that can be used (unsharpened mask). I think the DaVinci and RED CINE are the best but the FCPX works, I just wouldn't use it on other footage as it isn't as good as an unsharpen mask.I often don't sharpen RED footage, it depends what I'm going for.
@@NiceLadyProductions Right on! Thx for the info. I'll just try it at 2 from now on as I like to keep it all inside final cut for convenience of the raw workflow. Its crazy how you can go from 0 to 100 on that plugin but anything past 2 looks pretty bad
What’s the difference between a cinema lens n a non-cinema lens?
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What's your take on the 11-20 CA performance? I picked up the 25-75 and I am IN LOVE with it. I just need something wider. But I hear the CA on the 11-20 is pretty bad :/
Hey, I've never noticed any CA in the images I've shot, perhaps it has to do with me controlling exposure but it hasn't been anything I've seen that was striking. Perhaps you can try tracking down more footage from the lens.
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@@NiceLadyProductions I looked at the CVP test of the lens and it showed HEAVY CA on the edges. I was going to get it as a compliment to my 25-75 but now I am more hesitant.
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Fantastic review! You sold me on the 50-135! I think it'll pair up with my Sigma 18-35 Art. Edit: Went for the 25-75 based on your review on another video! :)
Im between that lens (25-75) or Fujinon 18-55 2.9, are you happy with your decition?
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@@mr.eliezer absolutely! I love the 25-75. I’ve looked at the Fuji one (in fact I shoot fuji for photography and their equipment is stellar) but I opted for the tokina because I feel it’s a more usable focal range for documentary type work I want to do. I also got the 11-20 and they pair very well! In the end it was cheaper than the two Fuji lenses AND you now both lenses are on sale and you can use the 5% discount in the description of this video. And if you live outside of CA you don’t pay tax so it’s a win win!
@@NiceLadyProductions Thanks for the reply! May I ask what your solution for mounting these lenses to Bright Tangerine matte boxes is? They don’t appear to sell donut rings that fit the 86 mm front thread of the Tokinas...
@@fantasy1254 Hey, they have an 95mm ring that I use with the Misfit Atom. 86mm is the internal thread, 95 is the outside diameter. Thanks for watching.
@@tunatech Well if you need something wider than the 18-35 I'd start with the 11-20, but if I had to only buy one I'd buy the 50-135. You might find you don't need to bring your two telephoto lenses with you as much. Or wait for the 25-75 if you like that range.
Woohoo! The most chill cinema gear reviewer is active again!
YES!! Great to be back.
I searched for a long time to find the right lenses for me and my work, I finally bought all 3 ATX II zooms earlier this year and I absolutely love them. Just came back to say thank you for this video and the mini doc at the end. You 100% led me to these lens and I really appreciate it.
Great review - I wasn't sure what wide cine zoom to go for, but the 11-20 is the one - thanks!
Fantastic review. One of the best I've seen. Many thanks.
The nice lady is back! I love these lenses as well. I think from 50-70mm the second zoom is just OK, and it starts to become magical from 70mm on up. For the wide zoom I prefer the Vista full frame, that lens is pure magic at all focal lengths. But like you said, the Vistas are heavier.
Great job on this review. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience with these lenses. I appreciate what you are doing. Beautiful images on your doc too!
Thank you, thank you!
great review! i loved using both lenses. but whoa that 25-75 might be the sweet spot for me.
Yes! For sure. Looking forward to it.
Thank you for the detailed review. Love your content! the 11-20mm has absolutely no breathing. I had heard the 50-135 also did not breathe (in an old NAB interview with a Tokina Rep), but in your test it looks like it does, although controlled. The 135 end seemed less pronounced than the 50 end.
Great observation! I think I'll retest the lens at 50, 100 and 135 and compare it to footage from some photo telephoto lenses.
So helpful. Thank you for the work you do and the way you review these lenses. May pick these up.
Wonderful review. Down to earth, but very informative. An example of why I love youtube. Thanks so much.
Wow, thank you!
cool video. one bit of info : don't try to check colmination or flangeback adjustment stopped down. you should do it wide open otherwise DoF will hide a margin of error. Also don't focus wide open and stop down as that can also cause focus to shift, don't ask how I know.
Great video and demonstration thanks!
Nice. I too refer the Tokina 11-20 as the sigma 18-35 at 2.5 crop.
Great to have you back as a reviewer and thanks for this nice review. :-)
I do own the older Tokina Cine 11-16mm which is also great (but has a bit less controlled CAs) and 2 of the first gen Tokina Cine 50-135mm T3.0.
It seems Tokina made a lot of improvements to the first gen. For example the gears on mine are in a bit awkward positions, the focus gear has a point in the middle where it seems to stick a bit and the lens support holes are not perfectly centered so it takes a bit of force the screw a lens support in (like the one from Bright Tangerine). And when I turn the aperture from t4.0 to t3.0 there isn't much of a brightness change - this depends a bit on the focal length tho. Is this better on your MKII?
All in all the image from the 35-100mm is special and I love it for talking heads.
The only thing which looks like to be not improved in the MKII seems to be the focus breathing which especially at 50mm is still very distracting.
If they ever make an MKIII I would love to have the focus breathing fixed and a faster T-stop.
Great comments and feedback. Thanks!
That's one heck of a big tree and fantastic review!!
Hope you get a chance to review the 25-75! this was great! Thank you
Hey! I just got the 25-75 in so I will be uploading a review.
@@NiceLadyProductions Seriously cannot wait! I do enjoy the clinical test videos in those fancy studios but I feel like I can digest your information so much easier. I understand it all, but your videos have a special vibe to them!
good to see you again
Thanks for watching!
And can you plz do the DZO zoom lenses review.
Hi, you might also look into the cine-rehousings of the sigma art still lens zooms. There is a company "Cinematics" that rehouses them and makes them work as parfocal unlike sigmas own cinema line. the 18-35 has no breathing. the 50-100 has lots of breathing, but I dont have a big problem with that. Ive got myself a set of them. Those Tokinas look beautiful, but the aperture of T2.9 is a bit of a dealbreaker for me.
Dats awesome review sis 👍👌
Subbed! Thank You for this! - I just ordered the 11-20 to complete my "trinity" with the pictor zoom lenses. :D
Amazing!!!
Great review and lovely footage! I am in love with the Komodo and the look coming from the Red color science. Have you tested out any of the Fujinon or DZOFilm lenses of similar focal lengths? I'm curious how they would compare to the Tokinas. I've only tested the Fujinon 50-135 and while I loved the sharpness and look, it was just too large. I was also using it on a Sony A7siii. I think the body of these mirrorless cameras are too small, it just felt unbalanced and hard to manage when paired with such a small camera body.
I have used the Fujinon on a Sony F7S, I like how light they are but they are so long. I don't think I'd run anything longer on the Komodo than the 80-135 because as you say balancing becomes a problem. A standard 70-200 would even be would be crazy unless you're filming strictly on a tripod or shoulder mount or counterbalancing with v-mount. Cheers!
@@NiceLadyProductions Thanks for the info, that makes sense! Have you tested out the DZOFilm Pictor zoom cine lenses?
@@DynamicPhil84 I haven't. From what I've seen they are rather soft wide open which would drive me nuts.
@@NiceLadyProductions Haha yeah I know what you mean. I typically stop down a bit when I want to make sure my in focus areas are super sharp. I'm going to have to give both lenses a go and see how they compare. I also prefer more sharpness overall.
have you ever tested sensor coverage of the 50-135 on full frame? I am looking at it for it's versatility but I use full frame cameras. I can put them in to s35 mode, but I was curious how much vignetting may occur with the 50-135. thanks!
Yeah, their website states the image circles for:
ATX 11-20mm ⌀30.0mm
ATX 16-28 MKII ⌀45.1mm
ATX 25-75mm ⌀36.0mm
ATX 50-135mm MKII ⌀31.2mm
So for a full frame no vigneting that’s the 16-28mm..
Then I was surprised to see that the zoom 25-75 has a 36mm image circle. So with black bars top and bottom we might have an option?
Are you pulling those zooms by hand or do you have a motor? I’m interested in renting these for an upcoming shoot and want to be able to do slow consistent zooms but keep it fairly run and gun… thanks!
Thank you for your review - much appreciated. FYI, we purchased this for our Red Gemini and at 5K resolution there is heavy vignetting below 15mm and had to return. Sounds like it was not a problem on your camera - did you encounter this?
First time to your channel and I loved this! So informative! Thank you!! I was curious about your sharpening technique in fcpx. You said you added 2 points of it. I still don't have a best practice for adding sharpening in post within fcpx that doesn't look godawful lol. Would love a quick line about that.
Beautiful Images!!! 🙌🏻
yooooooo welcome back to yt
Thank you!
@@NiceLadyProductions i am buying a 18-85 red pro zoom have you tested or used one ?
@@jacopodavidediluccio7872 Oh cool. I used one of those years ago. I believe the optics were made by Sigma so they should perform well.
@@NiceLadyProductions wow 😲 i didn't know that ; i am wondering about using one with a speed buster on my b cam (bmpcc4k)
Great review! I saw you used both the komodo and raven. What are your thoughts comparing those against each other? I'm interested in picking up my first red, and those seem like the best two options
I love your channel!
Thank you!!
Love the crane! Very few bust it out.
Other than Vista Primes, what do you think pairs well with these zooms, for that middle range (the 25-75 is so heavy).
I don’t think the 25-75 is too heavy to pair with these, just finished testing it.
1) Excellent review. I’ll be looking into giving these lenses a try in the next few months.
2) Dude at the end is all kinds of handsome & fit 💪😎 haha
Yes and yes. Thanks for watching.
Are the iris, focus and zoom controls are of the same distance on both of the lenses?
I would be totally interest what would you rather pick. The Tokina 16-28mm ATX T3 vs Tokina 11-20mm ... cant decide between those two :D
Hey! If size isn't a consideration and you shoot sometimes with full frame cameras I'd go with the 16-28. I love that range.
Awesome vid. Just curious what sharpening tool you use in FCPX? The built in Sharpen plugin in FCPX never looks right to me. I also use the Raven and yes it's very soft right out of camera
Thanks. Yes I use the basic FCPX sharpening tool but never go over the 2 points as at the standard 2.5 it's too much. When using Davinci I go to minus 48 or 47 on my last node and there's also the output setting in REDCINE that can be used (unsharpened mask). I think the DaVinci and RED CINE are the best but the FCPX works, I just wouldn't use it on other footage as it isn't as good as an unsharpen mask.I often don't sharpen RED footage, it depends what I'm going for.
@@NiceLadyProductions Right on! Thx for the info. I'll just try it at 2 from now on as I like to keep it all inside final cut for convenience of the raw workflow. Its crazy how you can go from 0 to 100 on that plugin but anything past 2 looks pretty bad
@@taylormadeinchina You bet! Keep filming.
I got this set up too and love it ! +1 for Ryan
Oh! Great to hear. :)
great review
Thanks for watching
What’s the difference between a cinema lens n a non-cinema lens?
What's your take on the 11-20 CA performance?
I picked up the 25-75 and I am IN LOVE with it. I just need something wider.
But I hear the CA on the 11-20 is pretty bad :/
Hey, I've never noticed any CA in the images I've shot, perhaps it has to do with me controlling exposure but it hasn't been anything I've seen that was striking. Perhaps you can try tracking down more footage from the lens.
@@NiceLadyProductions I looked at the CVP test of the lens and it showed HEAVY CA on the edges.
I was going to get it as a compliment to my 25-75 but now I am more hesitant.
Fantastic review! You sold me on the 50-135! I think it'll pair up with my Sigma 18-35 Art.
Edit: Went for the 25-75 based on your review on another video! :)
Im between that lens (25-75) or Fujinon 18-55 2.9, are you happy with your decition?
@@mr.eliezer absolutely! I love the 25-75. I’ve looked at the Fuji one (in fact I shoot fuji for photography and their equipment is stellar) but I opted for the tokina because I feel it’s a more usable focal range for documentary type work I want to do. I also got the 11-20 and they pair very well! In the end it was cheaper than the two Fuji lenses AND you now both lenses are on sale and you can use the 5% discount in the description of this video. And if you live outside of CA you don’t pay tax so it’s a win win!
I hope the make 11-20 for full-frame that would be the best, if anyone knows any alternatives that would be great
Tokina makes the 16-35 full frame lens, I've done a review on it. That would be equivalent.
Would these EF lenses work with a speed booster on a BMPCC4K?
Hey! Yes. They are Super35 lenses so they cover the MFT sensor of the BMPCC4K with a Speedbooster just like any Super35 (crop sensor) lens.
@@NiceLadyProductions Thanks so much for letting me know!
Are you the voice of Film Courage? Very pleasant voice!
I’m not, I’m the voice of me and I appreciate the comment!
Damn the lady in this recommended video sure sounds like that person in Victoria BC who rented me that glidecam for that super 8 camera-oh wait...
Some people are angry about the price of the Tokina 11-20, but it is justified.
ICYMI, the video is only available in 360p right now 🙈
TH-cam is taking forever to shift it to 4K
@@NiceLadyProductions Thanks for the reply! May I ask what your solution for mounting these lenses to Bright Tangerine matte boxes is? They don’t appear to sell donut rings that fit the 86 mm front thread of the Tokinas...
@@fantasy1254 Hey, they have an 95mm ring that I use with the Misfit Atom. 86mm is the internal thread, 95 is the outside diameter. Thanks for watching.
Followed you for years...if you were on a budget which one would you purchase first. Thanks for your great review.
Hmm. What lenses do you already own? What camera do you film with?
@@NiceLadyProductions Canon C-200 C-70 I have mostly Canon and Sigma lenses 24-70,18-35, 70-200
@@tunatech Well if you need something wider than the 18-35 I'd start with the 11-20, but if I had to only buy one I'd buy the 50-135. You might find you don't need to bring your two telephoto lenses with you as much. Or wait for the 25-75 if you like that range.
@@NiceLadyProductions The 50-135 was the one I was leaning towards. Thanks for the advice