I love the second movement of this symphony. It's very different from any other symphonies I have heard from this period. Beautiful! Vorisek was a strong admirer of Beethoven...thus the imitation of Beethoven's style. I still love it because Vorisek used Beethoven's style without quoting him.
Voříšek has bequeathed to the world with this symphony a work of the highest excellence, a composition that can be confidently mentioned in the same breath as great contemporaries, Beethoven & Schubert.
@@RPe-jk6dv Vielen Dank für die Klarstellung! Aber man kann seit 1918 durch falsche "Siegerpropaganda" - die Negierung der deutschsprachigkeit einbegriffen - leider nichts anderes erwarten.
I like all movements! Wonderfull music and for me absolutely unnown till today. Thank you for the upload and also for a certain revival of the forgotten composer. He will enjoy it:-)
We have assumed for the past two hundred or so years that the music of Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven ruled their day. The reality is that there were very few German composers during this period. Italians, French and Bohemians dominated the artistic life in Vienna and Prague. So when we hear someone like Beethoven, we believe he influenced other composers who copied him. Actually it was quite the opposite. Beethoven would have been influenced by composers such as Vanhal, Cartelieri, Gossec and St. Georges. The influence of Beethoven would make its impression on the early romantic composers like Czerny, Schubert and later on Brahms.
Bach's sons, Haydn's Brother, as well as Albrechtsberger, Glück, Hummel, Wölfl, Weber, and Kuhlau were all prominent German composers of the early to late Classical period. Dussek and other Czech composers absolutely influenced Beethoven and other Germanic musicians, but most of these composers, regardless of nationality, were significantly influenced by Haydn and Mozart. The Germans made their mark, and their placement in the upper echelon is due to their ability to craft compositions that are consistent and memorable.
I especially like the 3rd movement of this piece, because it sounds really nice and it reminds me of the 2nd movement of Beethoven's 9th Symphony. And it's evident he was influenced by Beethoven. Too bad he died so young, at the age of 34. On the 19th of November, 1825, Bohemia had lost a great musical genius.
Lovely piece of music! It is a shame so many of these composers are so unknown. Thank you for what you are doing to introduce them to the world. Today is the first time I've ever heard this composer to my knowledge, but it will not be the last.
J'aime particulièrement le 3ème mouvement de cette pièce parce qu'elle sonne comme le 2e mvt de la 9ème de Beethoven. Il est évident qu'il a été influencé par ce dernie et c'est regrettable qu'il soit mort si jeune, (34 ans) La Bohême avait perdu à ce moment un grand génie musical !
Il est impossible que cette symphonie écrite en 1821 ait pu être influencée par la 9ème de Beethoven composée entre 1822 et 1824. S'il y a eu une influence, c'est plutôt l'inverse. A moins que tu veuille juste dire que ce compositeur a été globalement influencé par Beethoven parce que le style de cette symphonie est assez beethovenien. Dans ce cas-là, Beethoven étant plus âgé que lui, ce n'est pas impossible.
Mmmm what? ..sounds like Beethoven ... or does it: t'sounds more like Jan Vaclav Voříšek to me; and a very great symphony too; one containing much originality, spark and vitality; and, moreover, for a part-time 30 year old (sickly) composer, who was writing very much in the "style of the time", its quite an outstanding achievement. Jan was doubtless somewhat "influenced" by Beethoven's style, who in kind was likewise (i.e., Beeth' received) much 'influence' from the greater 'sound cloud' during his own formative and mid years. The general unthinking copycat-idiocy of attributing so much to Haydn Mozart and or Beethoven which they often clearly don't deserve, as much of it simply doesn't belong to them, but rather to many other (forgotten and often under-rated) composers (or over rated -including themselves) who comprised the greater "Musical Spirit of the Age" , i.e., the trend and pattern of musical development and the specific "sound" emerging within any particular year, within any given decade throughout the whole span of the classical era and early romantic periods. For a "one off symphony" this one really shines . Kudos to Jan Vorisek, And thanks again to KuhlauDilfeng for the post. Pssst ... If you think that Ludwig van Beethoven originated and 'owned' the "beethoven sound", (which he did not) .. then listen (for example) to Anton Eberl's symphony in D minor, Op.34 (1804) or for that matter his earlier symphony in E flat major Op. 33 (1803), both of which provide many wonderful Eberlian, or for that matter, to be musically correct, - "beethovian" kick -ass dynamic pounding-moments. BTW Anton Eberl was born five years before Beethoven. Also check out Johann Franz Xaver Sterkel's (1750 - 1817) symphony in D minor (1782) for an example of the early pre-Beethoven "beethoven sound". Enjoy without prejudice ....Pax Musica.
Voříšek's 'noisiness' does indeed remind one of The Great Master (Beethoven of course) and also of late Haydn, but somehow he doesn't sound like a close imitator, much less like a plagiarist. (Contrast that with, e.g., Kuhlau's Piano Concerto.)
Beethoven heard this symph and was apparently a fan. The 4th movt. is one of the most fantastic examples of Viennese oomph from the period. But pleez don't talk down on Kuhlau! I understand what you mean about the similarities, but the piano concerto is BLISS. Let's please drink wine and eat cupcakes and appreciate Kuhlau ( Though, my favorite example of obscure Beeth similarity is Dobrzynski Piano Concerto Movt. 2.) Listen if you dare. Perfect.
I love the second movement of this symphony. It's very different from any other symphonies I have heard from this period. Beautiful! Vorisek was a strong admirer of Beethoven...thus the imitation of Beethoven's style. I still love it because Vorisek used Beethoven's style without quoting him.
Voříšek has bequeathed to the world with this symphony a work of the highest excellence, a composition that can be confidently mentioned in the same breath as great contemporaries, Beethoven & Schubert.
One of an innumerable list of Czech composers beyond The Big Three whose music deserves much greater recognition.
bohemian, not czech composers.
pichl for example was german.
every educated bohemian spoke
and wrote german.
@@RPe-jk6dv Vielen Dank für die Klarstellung! Aber man kann seit 1918 durch falsche "Siegerpropaganda" - die Negierung der deutschsprachigkeit einbegriffen - leider nichts anderes erwarten.
What an opening! It has the energy of Czerny's Symphony #1.
Thanks for the reference to Czerny! Just listened to it. Fantastic. Listening to #2 now.
I like all movements! Wonderfull music and for me absolutely unnown till today.
Thank you for the upload and also for a certain revival of the forgotten composer.
He will enjoy it:-)
Great symphony! Thanks, friend
We have assumed for the past two hundred or so years that the music of Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven ruled their day. The reality is that there were very few German composers during this period. Italians, French and Bohemians dominated the artistic life in Vienna and Prague. So when we hear someone like Beethoven, we believe he influenced other composers who copied him. Actually it was quite the opposite. Beethoven would have been influenced by composers such as Vanhal, Cartelieri, Gossec and St. Georges. The influence of Beethoven would make its impression on the early romantic composers like Czerny, Schubert and later on Brahms.
Well said, and congrats for the sharp insightful comment, they are few and far between on you tube.
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Bach's sons, Haydn's Brother, as well as Albrechtsberger, Glück, Hummel, Wölfl, Weber, and Kuhlau were all prominent German composers of the early to late Classical period. Dussek and other Czech composers absolutely influenced Beethoven and other Germanic musicians, but most of these composers, regardless of nationality, were significantly influenced by Haydn and Mozart. The Germans made their mark, and their placement in the upper echelon is due to their ability to craft compositions that are consistent and memorable.
Thanks for uploading!
I especially like the 3rd movement of this piece, because it sounds really nice and it reminds me of the 2nd movement of Beethoven's 9th Symphony. And it's evident he was influenced by Beethoven. Too bad he died so young, at the age of 34. On the 19th of November, 1825, Bohemia had lost a great musical genius.
ClassicalMusic 1 gggg
An enjoyable symphony in the style of Beethoven
Lovely piece of music! It is a shame so many of these composers are so unknown. Thank you for what you are doing to introduce them to the world. Today is the first time I've ever heard this composer to my knowledge, but it will not be the last.
A pity the mainstream music radio does not explore these hidden geniuses.
J'aime particulièrement le 3ème mouvement de cette pièce parce qu'elle sonne comme le 2e mvt de la 9ème de Beethoven. Il est évident qu'il a été influencé par ce dernie et c'est regrettable qu'il soit mort si jeune, (34 ans) La Bohême avait perdu à ce moment un grand génie musical !
Il est impossible que cette symphonie écrite en 1821 ait pu être influencée par la 9ème de Beethoven composée entre 1822 et 1824. S'il y a eu une influence, c'est plutôt l'inverse.
A moins que tu veuille juste dire que ce compositeur a été globalement influencé par Beethoven parce que le style de cette symphonie est assez beethovenien. Dans ce cas-là, Beethoven étant plus âgé que lui, ce n'est pas impossible.
Mmmm what? ..sounds like Beethoven ... or does it: t'sounds more like Jan Vaclav Voříšek to me; and a very great symphony too; one containing much originality, spark and vitality; and, moreover, for a part-time 30 year old (sickly) composer, who was writing very much in the "style of the time", its quite an outstanding achievement. Jan was doubtless somewhat "influenced" by Beethoven's style, who in kind was likewise (i.e., Beeth' received) much 'influence' from the greater 'sound cloud' during his own formative and mid years. The general unthinking copycat-idiocy of attributing so much to Haydn Mozart and or Beethoven which they often clearly don't deserve, as much of it simply doesn't belong to them, but rather to many other (forgotten and often under-rated) composers (or over rated -including themselves) who comprised the greater "Musical Spirit of the Age" , i.e., the trend and pattern of musical development and the specific "sound" emerging within any particular year, within any given decade throughout the whole span of the classical era and early romantic periods. For a "one off symphony" this one really shines . Kudos to Jan Vorisek, And thanks again to KuhlauDilfeng for the post. Pssst ... If you think that Ludwig van Beethoven originated and 'owned' the "beethoven sound", (which he did not) .. then listen (for example) to Anton Eberl's symphony in D minor, Op.34 (1804) or for that matter his earlier symphony in E flat major Op. 33 (1803), both of which provide many wonderful Eberlian, or for that matter, to be musically correct, - "beethovian" kick -ass dynamic pounding-moments. BTW Anton Eberl was born five years before Beethoven. Also check out Johann Franz Xaver Sterkel's (1750 - 1817) symphony in D minor (1782) for an example of the early pre-Beethoven "beethoven sound". Enjoy without prejudice ....Pax Musica.
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love it, thank you.
Voříšek's 'noisiness' does indeed remind one of The Great Master (Beethoven of course) and also of late Haydn, but somehow he doesn't sound like a close imitator, much less like a plagiarist. (Contrast that with, e.g., Kuhlau's Piano Concerto.)
Beethoven heard this symph and was apparently a fan. The 4th movt. is one of the most fantastic examples of Viennese oomph from the period. But pleez don't talk down on Kuhlau! I understand what you mean about the similarities, but the piano concerto is BLISS. Let's please drink wine and eat cupcakes and appreciate Kuhlau ( Though, my favorite example of obscure Beeth similarity is Dobrzynski Piano Concerto Movt. 2.) Listen if you dare. Perfect.
zBeest, in 1821 Beethoven couldn't hear a sound...
+António GS must have read the score!
Great!