Having spent my working life first in a (mostly) opera ballet orchestra, then a chamber orchestra, and lastly a symphony orchestra, I feel so lucky to be able to listen to these examples of 18th/19th century masterpieces by people I never heard of. The very concept of an orchestra developed and evolved over time, influenced by politics, the availability of written/printed parts,the evolution of many different instruments, then recordings, now the internet. Thank you for these recordings, KuhlauDilfeng, and the paintings, which give such a good sense of the background to all these composers and their music.
definately!! especially from that "dead zone" (between the Classical and Romantic eras): we only have Rossini (and some of Bellini and Donizetti) and "revolutionarists" like Betchoven and Shubert (but his symphonies are quite underrated and have a lot of "classical" elements). Where're others?!.. What does this fascinating period from the French Revolution to the Victorian era really sound like? ..
After being held hostage by the strong separate time periods that I was taught when I was learning music in the 1970s, after submitting during most of my lifetime to the glorification of the individual composer and the genius, I am strongly troubled nowadays when I listen to symphonies on TH-cam. What I am discovering, and this is a very strong feeling/sensation/mental discovery, is how much of the impression I derive from a particular piece dwelves in that time period itself, and how very little of that impression dwelves in that particular composer. I am not suggesting here that all composers were created equal. However, the chosen stars of a time period were chosen/affirmed during the 19th Century (who knew about Fasch 40 years ago, a composer respected by J.S. Bach?). J.S. Bach's fame itself has been revived partly due to Mendelssohn's efforts. How many other encrusted romantic ideas stifle our knowledge of other composers like Weyse or made what I would consider interesting composers sink undeservedly into oblivion?
Mais um compositor incrível, com obras magníficas que não são ouvidas nas salas de concertos, muitos deles suplantando em qualidade os que ouvimos sempre. Gratos à Kuhlau Dilfeng pela postagem.
C.E.F Weyse is an underrated and relatively forgotten composer, his music is worth to be played much more often! I really like his symphonies, but also his piano works. He was obviously inspired by Mozart's Prague Symphony here. The first movement has many similarities, especially the slow introduction.
Mozarts wife - at that time living in Copenhagen with her new husband, Nissen - told young Weyse, that his music reminded of that of her late husband. Imagine, how honored, young Weyse felt :-)
Very beautiful Symphony , what also amazes me is your talent for matching such a paint with the music , and how they seem inseparable , Thank you KuhlauDilfeng2
It's very interesting that this was written before Beethoven wrote any of his symphonies. Was Beethoven enough well-known by this time that Weyse imitated Beethoven's style or is this style more original to Weyse? A fascinating question that I would like to know the answer to.
From what I have heard so far I think that Weyse's symphonies are not nearly as conservative as some think they are. I hear plenty of Mozart and F. J. Haydn here, and maybe some Beethoven. The sound is bigger then Mozart or Haydn ever wrote: more sudden changes in loudness, use of minor keys-more overt expression in general. I would classify these as early romantic symphonies and not classical symphonies. They remind me of Clementi's symphonies that he composed in the 1820s.
Brian Knap, I don't hear any kind of imitation. I understand this is an excellent composer. I prefer this symphony to those by Mozart and Haydn. You should listen Méhul, in his symphonies and ouvertures you can find the inspiration for Weyse and Beethoven. Besides Mozart's last compositions, of course...
Commenters here need to get over their WA Mozart obsession. This work sounds nothing like Mozart, thankfully. What it does sound like is a continuation of Haydn. Haydn wrote his last symphony in 1795. Now 3 years later Weyse has moved forward and bridged the gap between Haydn and Beethoven. In this work he's straining the minuet to such and extend that it starts to seem like a schertzo. Although this is an Haydnesque symphony Weyse has added plenty of himself and the work is better for it. It's a thoroughly enjoyable listen. I'd like to hear it in the hands of someone like Simon Rattle. Also I'm wondering about how the construction will stand up after repeated listening.
This. Apparently most commenters are not able to distinguish a whole period from a specific composer - which is a pity given both Haydn and Mozart are rather unique among their contemporaries.
@@bobshifimods7302 Very true. Lacks the interplay, one idea seamlessly morphing into another and ingenious dramatic architecture a late Mozart's symphony would have. It's rather segmented, just like Haydn's symphonies.
The interesting thing is: Beethoven was 4 years older but he hadn't started writing his symphonies by the time Weyse wrote this! So WEYSE was the first one
I don't find any resemblance to Mozart here at all except for the common practice harmonic treatment and The formal structure. I don't understand the compulsion to say ah-ha...Reminds me of...ah-ha...sounds like... as if any resemblance at all means this composer is somehow derivative and a no talent imitator.
Having spent my working life first in a (mostly) opera ballet orchestra, then a chamber orchestra, and lastly a symphony orchestra, I feel so lucky to be able to listen to these examples of 18th/19th century masterpieces by people I never heard of. The very concept of an orchestra developed and evolved over time, influenced by politics, the availability of written/printed parts,the evolution of many different instruments, then recordings, now the internet. Thank you for these recordings, KuhlauDilfeng, and the paintings, which give such a good sense of the background to all these composers and their music.
A lot of unknown symphonies are criminally underrated. This one is a good example!
definately!! especially from that "dead zone" (between the Classical and Romantic eras): we only have Rossini (and some of Bellini and Donizetti) and "revolutionarists" like Betchoven and Shubert (but his symphonies are quite underrated and have a lot of "classical" elements). Where're others?!.. What does this fascinating period from the French Revolution to the Victorian era really sound like? ..
@@greenwoods798 -- Exactly....BRAVO from Acapulco!
After being held hostage by the strong separate time periods that I was taught when I was learning music in the 1970s, after submitting during most of my lifetime to the glorification of the individual composer and the genius, I am strongly troubled nowadays when I listen to symphonies on TH-cam. What I am discovering, and this is a very strong feeling/sensation/mental discovery, is how much of the impression I derive from a particular piece dwelves in that time period itself, and how very little of that impression dwelves in that particular composer.
I am not suggesting here that all composers were created equal. However, the chosen stars of a time period were chosen/affirmed during the 19th Century (who knew about Fasch 40 years ago, a composer respected by J.S. Bach?). J.S. Bach's fame itself has been revived partly due to Mendelssohn's efforts. How many other encrusted romantic ideas stifle our knowledge of other composers like Weyse or made what I would consider interesting composers sink undeservedly into oblivion?
Mais um compositor incrível, com obras magníficas que não são ouvidas nas salas de concertos, muitos deles suplantando em qualidade os que ouvimos sempre. Gratos à Kuhlau Dilfeng pela postagem.
C.E.F Weyse is an underrated and relatively forgotten composer, his music is worth to be played much more often! I really like his symphonies, but also his piano works. He was obviously inspired by Mozart's Prague Symphony here. The first movement has many similarities, especially the slow introduction.
Mozarts wife - at that time living in Copenhagen with her new husband, Nissen - told young Weyse, that his music reminded of that of her late husband. Imagine, how honored, young Weyse felt :-)
I'd say there's a plenty of 'Don Giovanni' overture and finale in it as well.
Beautiful symphony. .undiscovered territory for me. Thanks for posting.
Esta no es una simple sinfonía: es una gran sinfonía, en la que es de admirar la seriedad de su música.
P. L. Grijalba
Lima - Perú
Very beautiful Symphony , what also amazes me is your talent for matching such a paint with the music , and how they seem inseparable , Thank you KuhlauDilfeng2
Thank you! :-)
you have very good music uploaded. Thank you.
Very powerful . Touches on the change in music which was taking place.
It is hard to get my attention with music from this era, but this one got it.
Чудесно! Бетховенская симфония ещё ДО Бетховена.
Превосходный композитор Кристоф ВЕЙЗЕ)))
Менуэт прекрасен.
Je vois le grandeur qui devint la musique de Beethoven...
Ce compositeur est un joie....étonnant ses cadences et la grande taille d'orchestre.
It's very interesting that this was written before Beethoven wrote any of his symphonies. Was Beethoven enough well-known by this time that Weyse imitated Beethoven's style or is this style more original to Weyse? A fascinating question that I would like to know the answer to.
From what I have heard so far I think that Weyse's symphonies are not nearly as conservative as some think they are. I hear plenty of Mozart and F. J. Haydn here, and maybe some Beethoven. The sound is bigger then Mozart or Haydn ever wrote: more sudden changes in loudness, use of minor keys-more overt expression in general. I would classify these as early romantic symphonies and not classical symphonies. They remind me of Clementi's symphonies that he composed in the 1820s.
Brian Knap, I don't hear any kind of imitation. I understand this is an excellent composer. I prefer this symphony to those by Mozart and Haydn. You should listen Méhul, in his symphonies and ouvertures you can find the inspiration for Weyse and Beethoven. Besides Mozart's last compositions, of course...
@@brianknapp8645 I wonder if you have heard the late Haydn symphonies.
Beethoven wrote his fir symphony in 1801. This symphony was written in 1798. So, how can this piece be a imitation of Beethoven's symphonies?
Commenters here need to get over their WA Mozart obsession. This work sounds nothing like Mozart, thankfully. What it does sound like is a continuation of Haydn. Haydn wrote his last symphony in 1795. Now 3 years later Weyse has moved forward and bridged the gap between Haydn and Beethoven. In this work he's straining the minuet to such and extend that it starts to seem like a schertzo. Although this is an Haydnesque symphony Weyse has added plenty of himself and the work is better for it. It's a thoroughly enjoyable listen. I'd like to hear it in the hands of someone like Simon Rattle. Also I'm wondering about how the construction will stand up after repeated listening.
This. Apparently most commenters are not able to distinguish a whole period from a specific composer - which is a pity given both Haydn and Mozart are rather unique among their contemporaries.
wonderful Music between Mozart and Beethoven.
Sounds like a late HAYDN symphony. Nothing like Mozart.
@@bobshifimods7302 Very true. Lacks the interplay, one idea seamlessly morphing into another and ingenious dramatic architecture a late Mozart's symphony would have. It's rather segmented, just like Haydn's symphonies.
Se non avessi letto nella descrizione il nome del compositore avrei detto Beethoven
The interesting thing is: Beethoven was 4 years older but he hadn't started writing his symphonies by the time Weyse wrote this! So WEYSE was the first one
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I don't find any resemblance to Mozart here at all except for the common practice harmonic treatment and
The formal structure. I don't understand the compulsion to say ah-ha...Reminds me of...ah-ha...sounds like...
as if any resemblance at all means this composer is somehow derivative and a no talent imitator.
That menuetto in Movement III carries hints of the theme from "Se vuol ballare" from Mozart's Le Nozze di Figaro!