@@nando3d491yeah the 50hz sucks ass i dont care whatever european bs excuse they have but good luck finding any displays out there that defaults to 50hz out of the box. 99% of displays that exist run 60hz by default. sticking by 50hz for random reasons is refusing to accept reality. your content will just look worse for literally 99% of the audience even if you think it looks better on your display alone
@@fattestallenalive7148 Computer monitors in europe run at 60Hz as everywhere else, it's the TV signal that is 50i, but most TVs nowadays work at 50p or 60p with no issue. So not sure where the 1080p50 comes from in the videos...
stream an os rather than simply run any linux os off a usb? I would rather not feed your sponsor my hard earned money just to waste bandwidth for something trivial and pointless
For where Asahi is right now as alpha software that's really impressive. All that on top of being reversed engineered... the Asahi dev are punching way above their weight class with this.
Probably for the best. something similar happened on my old silver and black Intel iMac. I got an old hand me down, so I put Ubuntu on it and was mostly using it for streaming TV shows Beautiful display and surprisingly good bass... until I was watching the Expanse with it's loud and bass heavy rocket engines and...pop, it must have overdrove the speakers and permanently damaged them. Now they rattle above medium volume, so I'm on external speakers only.
I tried Asahi on my mom's macbook air. She was kind enough to allow the experiment. It was impressive but at the time, it didn't even have an audio driver for the built in speakers.
@@TheLinuxEXP The built-in speakers are disabled in Asahi, as their driver is not at all ready and could physically damage the speakers which apple then has to replace if they even will do that. But headphones should work.
@@gurshabadsinghaulakh9730 Accessibility settings. They provide audio queue and describe stuff on the screen. Most of the phones have them, try to enable those functions to get a feeling of what it's like. It's the same for a laptop.
@@gurshabadsinghaulakh9730there are various text to audio software. Blind people can hear surprisingly fast. I guess if you're not seeing you can focus your attention on hearing. Their use is very close to seeing users.
Fedora Asahi +1 over here. Seems like release will be ready next month and since Asahi mentioned full move to Fedora in the future - for sure it makes sense to review it. Thanks Nick!
Guess it's sarcasm, but I actually had to use a computer for around a year without being able to hear anything from the speakers (only though bluetooth). The bluetooth was also clunky, so I ended up not hearing a lot from it except when necessary. Now, even with a new computer, I'm quite used to it and I don't enable the sound most of the time.
Putting usability and design choices to one side, what Apple did with their custom M1 and M2 silicon is nothing short of astonishing. Their chips can perform well while sitting power. Hell, most of their non-pro laptop models don't even have fans, and they run just as fast on battery and they do when plugged in. Apple really knocked it out of the park with their custom CPUs.
Haha dude this TH-camr has made hating Mac his entire personality and engagement tactic, I doubt he’s gonna acknowledge your point about Apple silicon and just keep whining about how big Sonoma’s file size is
@@duckisduckcluck2258 there is no point to be acknowledge because M1 and M2 performance is garbage. I have three computers in my desk, one of them is a M2 device and and it is so bad compared to the other computers that makes is unusable. It is only there to compile a flutter app to iOS from time to time. Bad hardware, underpowered and a OS that is absolutely terrible. It is easy not having a fan when you don't have performance.
Issue is that Arch Asahi is gonna stop being the flagship, in the future the focus is gonna be on Fedora. The devs on Asahi mainly said that the ARM Arch branch is too small and the changes come to late from them, increasing breakage risks so Fedora shall be the focus in the future.
Well, afaik, box64 works fine, so you have a lot of linux games to try, and with latest wine, 32bit windows games should launch with plain box64 with wow64 mode (bleeding edge wine tho)
Well at least if this project stays active over the next 8 to 9 years we will have a viable alternative when MacOS support is over for these machines. The old Mac Intel Machines mostly became windows machines using bootcamp when their support ran out but having an open source option to use these machines is way better than Microsoft's malware OS.
I had an M1 Air for a while and tried running Asahi when it was first announced, and everything you mentioned was accurate back then as well. Seems like most of the work has been on the GPU lately
Asahi is something I'm curiously paying attention to. It's a wonderful example of how the Linux community will run Linux on everything and I love that stuff.
Pretty amazing to see the progress that open source software projects are making in this area. And this is the best Linux channel on TH-cam for sure. Thanks Nic!
I'm super grateful for the asahi development team - once Apple inevitably discontinues support for this machine in a few years, there will probably be a superb Linux distribution for it
accepting that this has been ~8 months since this video is published, I would like to see a followup one on Asahi Fedora 40. With that, if could check out 1) Battery life 2) how dnf installation handles app installation where the device is ARM 3) how flatpak and appImage works on ARM, or do they even work at all or not, when the specific Flatpak is not compiled for ARM 4) how linux handles RAM management of base model mac (that comes with 8GB only, yes even in 2024) Thanks!
It is absolutely insane how just basically two devs - Asahi Lina and Alyssa Rozenzweig - wrote the entire GPU stack for Asahi LInux. Hey crazy idea: Can we use an AI model to go through an entire GPU/proprietary chip/locked down peripheral and discover undocumented instruction sets/secret commands? Of course the AI model has to be completely open source (not something like ChatGPT) and the dataset to create the AI has to be open source/ethical too. Guess it is wishful thinking.
Isn't there Hector Martin himself? I mean, without him, I don't think Asahi Linux would have been a thing! (Given all of the reverse engineering that had to be done.)
You can scan for hidden instructions without AI. You need to prepare the machine code and keep track of some internal CPU counters or something. If the counter changes and the program does not segfault it was a valid instruction. Someone did a DefCon talk about this topic a few years back.
@@TheLinuxEXP awesome! I have been running Asahi on my air m2 with 2 tb and 24 gig ram for a long time now. As a daily driver. I hope, and believe, the new version of Fedora will be much better. The only thing really lacking is the gpu and software at the moment.
@@Batwam0 I do not think it was a mistake. Arch is really good and ALARM has been fine for me. But changing to Fedora brings it more into mainstream and easier to maintain when you have a better backing from a community and company.
The built-in speakers are disabled in Asahi, as their driver is not at all ready and could physically damage the speakers which apple then has to replace if they even will do that. But headphones should work.
I migrated from windows to mint yesterday. Before I installed and arose the windows and ran the os I checked if my daily softwares was available on mint. I installed and ran mint, and I have to say that my experience is great. I have some problems with some features that I prefer in window. But when I balance the pros and cons, I feel I made a good choice. The linux experience is great for me.
As a slow-ish convert to Fedora, a piece on the Fedora spin would be interesting. Hopefully it's faster than my 11 year old Macbook Pro that sill soldiers on. No it's not my main, but a surprisingly good backup.
@taylorkoepp3048 Just Fedora Workstation, trying out Gnome as I've not used it in a while. I've not had any performance issues really. I'm running with 16GB memory & an SSD though. If that helps.
@taylorkoepp3048 I personally run MacOS Sonoma thanks to OpenCore on my MBP 2014 (i7 dual core 16GB/512GB) with Windows 10 dual booted, it does everything I need and rarely perform bad tbh
Awesome video!!! Yes!!! Please do the Fedora/Asahi Remix. Honestly I'm wondering how these run now, as I might pickup broken boards and parts and refurb them for the kids. I started my son off with Linux and flat out told him that he better learn to do what he needs to do without breaking (bricking) the o.s. He figured things out quickly. After a couple years I got him a more expensive laptop with windows and he's never had any issues. And because windows is just easier he's always been able to figure stuff out. Going to do the same with my daughters- assuming that apple products are still trendy.
The speakers do actually work. It's just disabled by default because they haven't yet figured out a way to make sure that you can't blow them out by turning up the volume too high.
Another day another The Linux Experiment banger. Thank you so much for your high quality and educational videos. They mean a lot to me and a many FOSS enthusiasts!
High quality video? Uhhh? This guy just sounds like a junior dev who just enjoys hating on Mac and fangirling about niche tech instead of acknowledging hat different users have - gasp - different preferences and use cases. I love Asahi but use other distros as well as Mac and Windows. Not everybody is a dev, and OS tribalism is some of the most sweaty neckbeard bs out there.
USB 2.0 speeds are definitely NOT FINE if you want to do any kind of content creation, which is the only thing an informed buyer chooses a MacBook for (programming may also be a use case but x86 really is better for that). An external SSD would be so bottlenecked by this, it would be unusable. Transferring massive amounts of high resolution images or videos would be incredibly slow.
for programming, if you are working with frontend, then probably you need a mac so you can test safari compatibility. if you work on ios development, then you have to use a mac. It seems that android development is also good on mac. and I think the web and mobile apps are in fact where most programming work goes. so mac might actually be a better overal choice for programming
I'd like to point out two thing: 1. While the Vulkan driver doesn't exist yet, if you build the master branch of Mesa, you will have latest OpenGL support - which is better than MacOS. 2. The speakers are currently disabled because while it's safe to do so now, it sounds very bad from what the audio guy told me. Headphones through a jack work for me on my M1 13" Pro.
It amazing that the Asahi Linux team was able to reverse engineer the Apple Silicon and get Asahi Linux mostly working. However for regular use it is best with the Apple Silicon computers to use the current version of Apple Mac OS.
I'm not a fan of arch and I've been using Fedora for a while now. It's my favourite distro so far. I'd really like to see how Fedora Asahi works on a Macbook since I'm planning to grab either that or a Tuxedo laptop next year.
I would not even bother with Asahi yet, it does not makes sense to me. I have tried almost all Linux Arm distros on my M2 MacBook Air via Parallels or VmWare and all works like charm! sound is there, wifi is there, even GPU works to an extend and almost same battery life.
Thanks for making this comprehensive review, its helpful for those of us who are still evaluating asahi for our m1 macs :) for now it seems like its better to just wait for a stable release to come out
I love Asahi as a concept, and it's come a long way. But sadly I think it will be "ready" for use once at least the M1 is discontinued or better said "left behind" over M3-4s. Which is not bad still, that gives a good years of extra life to those devices which is welcomed.
Regardless of how you feel about Macos, you should know that you always need it on your mac because it's the only way to get firmware updates from apple.
USB Audio Interface should work to get sound. TC Helicon Go Solo/Go Twin, Zoom Japan U-22 & AMS-22, Behringer UMC22/UMC202HD/UMC204HD, Donner Live Jack Lite/Live Jack M, Audient Evo Series, Focusrite Scarlett series up to gen 3, Kmise and AsMuse generic, and a few others should support Plug and Play on Linux out of the box, even on ARM. They should also provide the bonus of allowing you to use an XLR microphone to improve your audio quality for your videos, if you choose. Most of those should also work on Android, too.
+1 for the Fedora Asahi Remix! I don't have any plans on buying a Macbook in the foreseeable future, but I'm mostly curious to see how far we've come and I also love the Fedora project.
You’re wrong about OpenGL on macOS. Well, sort of. xD There is support, but it’s stuck with a broken 4.2 conformance and no conformance further up. 4.1 is the last version that actually works.
And if you run through XQuartz I think you are stuck with 2.1. So yes support is a bit sketchy and Apple could pull the plug as they want since they deprecated OpenGL, but right now you can use it.
The real deal breaker is getting something like proxmox fully supported on this hardware. Imagine a Mac studio with all those cores running OSX, Windows, Linux all on at mostly native speed making direct calls to the hardware instead of something like VMware.
It’s funny how he makes a joke in the beginning about it being unusable on the MacOS and then, later in the video, all he does is basically saying that not many things actually work today on the Asahi 😂
Thanks for doing that experiment!! Asahi did really a great job! "I really used all that much" -> automatically places your review about Mac into -> I didn't review properly) so be careful with this kind of statements.
Unfortunately, I don't think Resolve would work anytime soon.... also Fedora asahi would be cool, plus Waydroid on Fedora is easy to setup and I wanted to see if it work- (I mean it's an ARM device so things might be better)
I don't intend to buy a Mac, but mad respect to the Asahi devs for their work. The fact it's this far from just reverse engineering is absolutely wild.
We do have games on macOS. :) Cyberpunk runs at 60-80 FPS at moderate settings, GTA V runs at 100 FPS maxed out, Mass Effect 1 2 3 as well, basically everything that doesn't depend on AVX or isn't technical garbage to begin with (most Bethesda games) works well.
Would Nix help for the software situation? You can specify arm installation, right? Not sure how to do that but the flakes example I followed specified their targets as both x86 and arm, but I took out the arm one since there's no point in it for me
Fedora video! But also, you can run whatever distro you choose, provided you have a way of unpacking the files into the partition, all you need is to build your own kernel. I installed Debian and Fedora before any support was built for them, by building the root fs myself and installing grub and the custom kernel.
You may be able to fix the PC sound problem, I had a similar issue with an old laptop running Fedora, it had loaded the correct module but it wasn't working. I dove into the code and found some options regarding overriding the dma interrupt detection strategy, tried each of those and one of them worked, so the old hardware had fooled the driver into selecting the wrong one.
Actually the audio works, but only with the headphone jack. They have the speakers disabled on purpose due to buggy and low tested reversed engineered drivers and the possibility of causing speaker damage. I don't think he looked into any of the issues he ran in to.
It is normal that the audio on the speakers is turned off : one bug and the signal could destroy the speakers since they are really fragile, whereas if you have a bug elsewhere you don't damage anything. This is especially important with how good apple's repair programs are (warning offensive joke)
On the FAQ, they wrote "All OSes installed on Apple Silicon machines require certain components provided by Apple. Since we can’t redistribute these ourselves, the installer will download them from Apple’s public CDN." - does any one know what these components are? And why they are needed?
I have a MacBook Air (circa 2014) running Linux Mint - the keyboard backlighting and the webcam do not work. Everything else works.... Speakers work, but I have not tried the microphone. I had to get WiFi drivers (Broadcom) to avoid using a WiFi dongle. If you click on the touchpad with two fingers, it opens the right click dialogue box (remember, Macs only use a one-button touchpad. I was using a regular mouse, and it worked as it should. There are probably other workarounds, but these work well for me. The MacBook is good quality hardware as Linux is good quality software.
I'd love to run ARM on my day-to-day computer since I've spent 15 years developing for ARM-based embedded systems but the truth is that it's not ready yet. It will be a number of years before it's plug and play.
Great video. I have a Macbook pro 13 M1, with a touch bar.. will the F keys work? I daily drive a Thinkpad T14s G3 AMD +Fedora 38. love it! +1 for Fedora Asahi Remix!
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Why all your videos are in 50 fps now?
macos has games now though
@@nando3d491yeah the 50hz sucks ass
i dont care whatever european bs excuse they have but good luck finding any displays out there that defaults to 50hz out of the box. 99% of displays that exist run 60hz by default. sticking by 50hz for random reasons is refusing to accept reality. your content will just look worse for literally 99% of the audience even if you think it looks better on your display alone
@@fattestallenalive7148 Computer monitors in europe run at 60Hz as everywhere else, it's the TV signal that is 50i, but most TVs nowadays work at 50p or 60p with no issue. So not sure where the 1080p50 comes from in the videos...
stream an os rather than simply run any linux os off a usb? I would rather not feed your sponsor my hard earned money just to waste bandwidth for something trivial and pointless
For where Asahi is right now as alpha software that's really impressive. All that on top of being reversed engineered... the Asahi dev are punching way above their weight class with this.
seems like they're in and above that weight class 😂
asahi devs aren't punching above their weight class
they are the pinnacle of the weightclass apple devs only dreams to achieve
@@zionlee1004 fair enough
Asahi disabled the sound on purpose to prevent the speakers from being blown up. There is a potential issue that can cause the speakers to be ruined.
Probably for the best. something similar happened on my old silver and black Intel iMac.
I got an old hand me down, so I put Ubuntu on it and was mostly using it for streaming TV shows
Beautiful display and surprisingly good bass... until I was watching the Expanse with it's loud and bass heavy rocket engines and...pop, it must have overdrove the speakers and permanently damaged them.
Now they rattle above medium volume, so I'm on external speakers only.
@@LostieTrekieTechie those fusion drive sounds were epic and I'd say worth nuking your speakers over lol
I tried Asahi on my mom's macbook air. She was kind enough to allow the experiment. It was impressive but at the time, it didn't even have an audio driver for the built in speakers.
Still doesn’t, which is IMO the biggest issue right now
@@TheLinuxEXPjust turn on subtitles
@@tf2368 😂
@@TheLinuxEXP
The built-in speakers are disabled in Asahi, as their driver is not at all ready and could physically damage the speakers which apple then has to replace if they even will do that. But headphones should work.
why would you want to run linux on a mac ?
As a blind and subsequently heavy audio user, I am so grateful for this video. You really have no idea how much time you just saved me.
Glad I could help!
no offence but how would you use a laptop
just curious
@@gurshabadsinghaulakh9730 Accessibility settings. They provide audio queue and describe stuff on the screen. Most of the phones have them, try to enable those functions to get a feeling of what it's like. It's the same for a laptop.
@@gurshabadsinghaulakh9730there are various text to audio software. Blind people can hear surprisingly fast. I guess if you're not seeing you can focus your attention on hearing. Their use is very close to seeing users.
@@gurshabadsinghaulakh9730 First, a bit of assistance, and second, a screen reader.
Fedora Asahi +1 over here.
Seems like release will be ready next month and since Asahi mentioned full move to Fedora in the future - for sure it makes sense to review it.
Thanks Nick!
Nice!
Sound is overated anyways. People shouldn't be able to hear.
Yeah its just bloat ware
Guess it's sarcasm, but I actually had to use a computer for around a year without being able to hear anything from the speakers (only though bluetooth).
The bluetooth was also clunky, so I ended up not hearing a lot from it except when necessary.
Now, even with a new computer, I'm quite used to it and I don't enable the sound most of the time.
People do go to great lengths to make quiet computers
💀💀💀
Putting usability and design choices to one side, what Apple did with their custom M1 and M2 silicon is nothing short of astonishing. Their chips can perform well while sitting power. Hell, most of their non-pro laptop models don't even have fans, and they run just as fast on battery and they do when plugged in. Apple really knocked it out of the park with their custom CPUs.
Haha dude this TH-camr has made hating Mac his entire personality and engagement tactic, I doubt he’s gonna acknowledge your point about Apple silicon and just keep whining about how big Sonoma’s file size is
@@duckisduckcluck2258 there is no point to be acknowledge because M1 and M2 performance is garbage. I have three computers in my desk, one of them is a M2 device and and it is so bad compared to the other computers that makes is unusable. It is only there to compile a flutter app to iOS from time to time. Bad hardware, underpowered and a OS that is absolutely terrible. It is easy not having a fan when you don't have performance.
@@duckisduckcluck2258Amazing hardware wasted on a dogshit os
Issue is that Arch Asahi is gonna stop being the flagship, in the future the focus is gonna be on Fedora. The devs on Asahi mainly said that the ARM Arch branch is too small and the changes come to late from them, increasing breakage risks so Fedora shall be the focus in the future.
For those with an M1 Mac Mini, everything works out of the box. HDMI, sound and usb ports. Only thing missing is gaming
Well, afaik, box64 works fine, so you have a lot of linux games to try, and with latest wine, 32bit windows games should launch with plain box64 with wow64 mode (bleeding edge wine tho)
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Gaming on Linux is already a challenge (especially for games with anticheats), so I'd recommend just using GeForce now (priority tier or better)
Proton gaming 😳
@@microlinuximagine steam os on this
Well at least if this project stays active over the next 8 to 9 years we will have a viable alternative when MacOS support is over for these machines. The old Mac Intel Machines mostly became windows machines using bootcamp when their support ran out but having an open source option to use these machines is way better than Microsoft's malware OS.
Old Mac Intels became wonderful Linux machines. My 2014 Mini is idling at 6 Watts and can easily run Left 4 Dead 2 when needed
I had an M1 Air for a while and tried running Asahi when it was first announced, and everything you mentioned was accurate back then as well. Seems like most of the work has been on the GPU lately
Asahi is something I'm curiously paying attention to. It's a wonderful example of how the Linux community will run Linux on everything and I love that stuff.
Pretty amazing to see the progress that open source software projects are making in this area. And this is the best Linux channel on TH-cam for sure. Thanks Nic!
Seeing the progress being made here, I'm now hoping that they bring Asahi Linux to iPads and iPhones (especially the older models) next.
I'm super grateful for the asahi development team - once Apple inevitably discontinues support for this machine in a few years, there will probably be a superb Linux distribution for it
Insanely impressive project. Really excited about its future. When it reaches beta or stable it might be the reason to buy a MacBook
Great video, we'd love to see your take on our Asahi Remix! 🎉
accepting that this has been ~8 months since this video is published, I would like to see a followup one on Asahi Fedora 40. With that, if could check out
1) Battery life
2) how dnf installation handles app installation where the device is ARM
3) how flatpak and appImage works on ARM, or do they even work at all or not, when the specific Flatpak is not compiled for ARM
4) how linux handles RAM management of base model mac (that comes with 8GB only, yes even in 2024)
Thanks!
It is absolutely insane how just basically two devs - Asahi Lina and Alyssa Rozenzweig - wrote the entire GPU stack for Asahi LInux.
Hey crazy idea: Can we use an AI model to go through an entire GPU/proprietary chip/locked down peripheral and discover undocumented instruction sets/secret commands? Of course the AI model has to be completely open source (not something like ChatGPT) and the dataset to create the AI has to be open source/ethical too. Guess it is wishful thinking.
The work the Asahi team did is absolutely insane, yeah!
Isn't there Hector Martin himself? I mean, without him, I don't think Asahi Linux would have been a thing! (Given all of the reverse engineering that had to be done.)
Asahi lina is martin himself, don't know why all these theatrics, alyssa is not alyssa as well, he is a dude
Probably wants to be a girl. 🤔
You can scan for hidden instructions without AI. You need to prepare the machine code and keep track of some internal CPU counters or something. If the counter changes and the program does not segfault it was a valid instruction. Someone did a DefCon talk about this topic a few years back.
Thanks for this video!!
You’re welcome!
Make a dedicated video when the new "proper" version drops of Fedora.
Yeah, that’s the plan, if there’s enough interest!
@@TheLinuxEXP awesome! I have been running Asahi on my air m2 with 2 tb and 24 gig ram for a long time now. As a daily driver. I hope, and believe, the new version of Fedora will be much better. The only thing really lacking is the gpu and software at the moment.
@@Batwam0 I do not think it was a mistake. Arch is really good and ALARM has been fine for me. But changing to Fedora brings it more into mainstream and easier to maintain when you have a better backing from a community and company.
The built-in speakers are disabled in Asahi, as their driver is not at all ready and could physically damage the speakers which apple then has to replace if they even will do that. But headphones should work.
I don't think those work either on the MacBook Pro M1 Max I was using. So that would be a MASSIVE roadblock for the moment
My setup is always Bluetooth speakers and headset anyway. My Jabra 75 set is phenomenal with Asahi and a Debian build.
I migrated from windows to mint yesterday. Before I installed and arose the windows and ran the os I checked if my daily softwares was available on mint. I installed and ran mint, and I have to say that my experience is great. I have some problems with some features that I prefer in window. But when I balance the pros and cons, I feel I made a good choice. The linux experience is great for me.
Definitely wanna see a follow up on the progress of Fedora Asahi Linux in a few months if possible ❤
Yes, I do want a Fedora Asahi vid❤
As a slow-ish convert to Fedora, a piece on the Fedora spin would be interesting. Hopefully it's faster than my 11 year old Macbook Pro that sill soldiers on. No it's not my main, but a surprisingly good backup.
@taylorkoepp3048 Just Fedora Workstation, trying out Gnome as I've not used it in a while.
I've not had any performance issues really. I'm running with 16GB memory & an SSD though. If that helps.
@taylorkoepp3048 I personally run MacOS Sonoma thanks to OpenCore on my MBP 2014 (i7 dual core 16GB/512GB) with Windows 10 dual booted, it does everything I need and rarely perform bad tbh
Awesome video!!! Yes!!! Please do the Fedora/Asahi Remix.
Honestly I'm wondering how these run now, as I might pickup broken boards and parts and refurb them for the kids.
I started my son off with Linux and flat out told him that he better learn to do what he needs to do without breaking (bricking) the o.s.
He figured things out quickly. After a couple years I got him a more expensive laptop with windows and he's never had any issues. And because windows is just easier he's always been able to figure stuff out.
Going to do the same with my daughters- assuming that apple products are still trendy.
Another vote for that Asahi Fedora Remix video.
It would be great to have that Fedora-Asahi look.
The speakers do actually work. It's just disabled by default because they haven't yet figured out a way to make sure that you can't blow them out by turning up the volume too high.
I was waiting so much for this video. Thx for the work you do and the monitoring. Un grand merci et bon courage pour la suite depuis la France 👍
Great video! I wish there were more ARM notebooks avaliable in the market, specially with Linux.
Lenovo have released their Qualcomm machines. x13s.
Another day another The Linux Experiment banger. Thank you so much for your high quality and educational videos. They mean a lot to me and a many FOSS enthusiasts!
High quality video? Uhhh? This guy just sounds like a junior dev who just enjoys hating on Mac and fangirling about niche tech instead of acknowledging hat different users have - gasp - different preferences and use cases. I love Asahi but use other distros as well as Mac and Windows. Not everybody is a dev, and OS tribalism is some of the most sweaty neckbeard bs out there.
Fedora asahi remix +1
Thanks for these infos. I am still waiting for the beta to fully use it as daily driver
USB 2.0 speeds are definitely NOT FINE if you want to do any kind of content creation, which is the only thing an informed buyer chooses a MacBook for (programming may also be a use case but x86 really is better for that). An external SSD would be so bottlenecked by this, it would be unusable. Transferring massive amounts of high resolution images or videos would be incredibly slow.
Yep, it’s really bad
You are not going to do any content creation without vpu acceleration anyway
@@TheLinuxEXPI do work on arm linux, from arm linux for content creation. I have vpu decoding/encoding inside obs.
for programming, if you are working with frontend, then probably you need a mac so you can test safari compatibility. if you work on ios development, then you have to use a mac. It seems that android development is also good on mac. and I think the web and mobile apps are in fact where most programming work goes. so mac might actually be a better overal choice for programming
I'd like to point out two thing:
1. While the Vulkan driver doesn't exist yet, if you build the master branch of Mesa, you will have latest OpenGL support - which is better than MacOS.
2. The speakers are currently disabled because while it's safe to do so now, it sounds very bad from what the audio guy told me. Headphones through a jack work for me on my M1 13" Pro.
I see that Warhammer 40K book on the table 👀
Would love to see how Linux desktops handle the notch on an M2 MacBook Air.
For the OBS studio issue you can compile obs for arm linux, they just don't provide an official arm build so you have to compile it yourself
Thanks for the video! Again, you answered my question shortly after it appeared. :)
Very curious how it develops.
It amazing that the Asahi Linux team was able to reverse engineer the Apple Silicon and get Asahi Linux mostly working. However for regular use it is best with the Apple Silicon computers to use the current version of Apple Mac OS.
Yes please make a video about fedora asahi specially with gnome de
I'm not a fan of arch and I've been using Fedora for a while now. It's my favourite distro so far. I'd really like to see how Fedora Asahi works on a Macbook since I'm planning to grab either that or a Tuxedo laptop next year.
Yes! Please try Fedora Asahi! Pleeeeeaaaase!!!! 🙏
I would not even bother with Asahi yet, it does not makes sense to me. I have tried almost all Linux Arm distros on my M2 MacBook Air via Parallels or VmWare and all works like charm! sound is there, wifi is there, even GPU works to an extend and almost same battery life.
I’d be very interested in when the fedora spin is ready. No sound for now means I am not going near it.
Interesting video even though I won't be buying anything Apple if I can help it. Quite impressed by what the Asahi team is pulling off here!
i would like a video on fedora asahi
I would love to see the fedora version :)
Achkshually you can run OBS fine if you compile it and run it with a prefix. Asahi Lina stream from an M2
The bootstraping script can get more implicit and intuitive than that, but just the fact that it exists blows my mind.
"although your MAC runs MacOS right now which I'd argue makes it unusable" bloody hell bro that was brilliant lmao
Very curious about the Fedora remix as well.
Thanks for making this comprehensive review, its helpful for those of us who are still evaluating asahi for our m1 macs :) for now it seems like its better to just wait for a stable release to come out
I love Asahi as a concept, and it's come a long way. But sadly I think it will be "ready" for use once at least the M1 is discontinued or better said "left behind" over M3-4s.
Which is not bad still, that gives a good years of extra life to those devices which is welcomed.
Regardless of how you feel about Macos, you should know that you always need it on your mac because it's the only way to get firmware updates from apple.
Fedora asahi remix sounds like a Linus Torvalds dream
USB Audio Interface should work to get sound. TC Helicon Go Solo/Go Twin, Zoom Japan U-22 & AMS-22, Behringer UMC22/UMC202HD/UMC204HD, Donner Live Jack Lite/Live Jack M, Audient Evo Series, Focusrite Scarlett series up to gen 3, Kmise and AsMuse generic, and a few others should support Plug and Play on Linux out of the box, even on ARM. They should also provide the bonus of allowing you to use an XLR microphone to improve your audio quality for your videos, if you choose. Most of those should also work on Android, too.
New Nick video at lunch time = nice
+1 for the Fedora Asahi Remix! I don't have any plans on buying a Macbook in the foreseeable future, but I'm mostly curious to see how far we've come and I also love the Fedora project.
Just yesterday ditched Arch for Fedora remix, i was surprised that the sound is working already!
Asahi team did a good job!
We eagerly await the Fedora version of this video....
You’re wrong about OpenGL on macOS. Well, sort of. xD
There is support, but it’s stuck with a broken 4.2 conformance and no conformance further up. 4.1 is the last version that actually works.
And if you run through XQuartz I think you are stuck with 2.1. So yes support is a bit sketchy and Apple could pull the plug as they want since they deprecated OpenGL, but right now you can use it.
The real deal breaker is getting something like proxmox fully supported on this hardware. Imagine a Mac studio with all those cores running OSX, Windows, Linux all on at mostly native speed making direct calls to the hardware instead of something like VMware.
Thanks mate, I was expecting this kind of content, as I've been really eager to try a Linux on my M1 MBP :)
It’s funny how he makes a joke in the beginning about it being unusable on the MacOS and then, later in the video, all he does is basically saying that not many things actually work today on the Asahi 😂
When the m2 max gets audio, mic, webcam and proper sleep/suspend support, I'm getting one.
Thanks for the current look into Asahi on mac, and I am interested to see what the Fedora Asahi linux runs on it aswell! Keep up the great work!
Thanks for doing that experiment!! Asahi did really a great job!
"I really used all that much" -> automatically places your review about Mac into -> I didn't review properly) so be careful with this kind of statements.
Fedora Asahi Remix is the actual upstream for Asahi now
Unfortunately, I don't think Resolve would work anytime soon....
also Fedora asahi would be cool, plus Waydroid on Fedora is easy to setup and I wanted to see if it work-
(I mean it's an ARM device so things might be better)
GNOME is said to be very _Apple like_ while KDE has the same for Windows. It would be interesting to see how GNOME and MacOS differ.
Waiting for camera and speakers support and will install ubuntu asahi on my m1 Air
I don't intend to buy a Mac, but mad respect to the Asahi devs for their work. The fact it's this far from just reverse engineering is absolutely wild.
We do have games on macOS. :) Cyberpunk runs at 60-80 FPS at moderate settings, GTA V runs at 100 FPS maxed out, Mass Effect 1 2 3 as well, basically everything that doesn't depend on AVX or isn't technical garbage to begin with (most Bethesda games) works well.
I've never seen a terminal with a white backgroud before. Apple is strange.
Could you compare this to a Virtual Machiene using Parralels or VMWare Fusion?
You can probably get sound with USB headphonea or USB speakers. There are also USB to 3,5 plug adapters
Would Nix help for the software situation? You can specify arm installation, right? Not sure how to do that but the flakes example I followed specified their targets as both x86 and arm, but I took out the arm one since there's no point in it for me
Super intéressé par la suite avec Fedora Asahi ;)
Btw doesn't Debian have the best ARM program selection?
Might be!
You right, but Fedora got to Marcan and Co. first
Fedora video! But also, you can run whatever distro you choose, provided you have a way of unpacking the files into the partition, all you need is to build your own kernel. I installed Debian and Fedora before any support was built for them, by building the root fs myself and installing grub and the custom kernel.
You may be able to fix the PC sound problem, I had a similar issue with an old laptop running Fedora, it had loaded the correct module but it wasn't working. I dove into the code and found some options regarding overriding the dma interrupt detection strategy, tried each of those and one of them worked, so the old hardware had fooled the driver into selecting the wrong one.
Actually the audio works, but only with the headphone jack. They have the speakers disabled on purpose due to buggy and low tested reversed engineered drivers and the possibility of causing speaker damage. I don't think he looked into any of the issues he ran in to.
@@AyaWetts Ahh okay.
As a Fedora user, Fedora Asahi piques my interest. Dual-booting macOS and Fedora on Apple Silicon sounds like a dream to me!
It is normal that the audio on the speakers is turned off : one bug and the signal could destroy the speakers since they are really fragile, whereas if you have a bug elsewhere you don't damage anything. This is especially important with how good apple's repair programs are (warning offensive joke)
The day Linux runs smoothly on ARM MacBooks without becoming a bottleneck will be a significant milestone.
On the FAQ, they wrote "All OSes installed on Apple Silicon machines require certain components provided by Apple. Since we can’t redistribute these ourselves, the installer will download them from Apple’s public CDN." - does any one know what these components are? And why they are needed?
"Although your Mac probably runs MacOS right now which I would argue makes it unusable" ok Nick you need to calm down 😂
The reason for the Video difference is that OSX can use the hardware video decoding accelerators which Asahi doesn't support at this time.
Thanks for the honest review
I have a MacBook Air (circa 2014) running Linux Mint - the keyboard backlighting and the webcam do not work. Everything else works.... Speakers work, but I have not tried the microphone. I had to get WiFi drivers (Broadcom) to avoid using a WiFi dongle. If you click on the touchpad with two fingers, it opens the right click dialogue box (remember, Macs only use a one-button touchpad. I was using a regular mouse, and it worked as it should. There are probably other workarounds, but these work well for me. The MacBook is good quality hardware as Linux is good quality software.
You should try running Minecraft on it, I am pretty sure there is Java arm Linux runtime, and Minecraft runs on OpenGL I think, so it should work
I’m about to get this running on my M1.
Yes. Do fedora asahi. Thanks
Thanks a lot for this video, will wait a bit more, but finally Linux will be on my Macbook Pro M1 :)
I’ve been looking for an update on how asahi is going. Thanks!
Grab a cup of your favourite beverage!
*Pours myself a tall glass of Asahi*
I'd love to run ARM on my day-to-day computer since I've spent 15 years developing for ARM-based embedded systems but the truth is that it's not ready yet. It will be a number of years before it's plug and play.
Great video. I have a Macbook pro 13 M1, with a touch bar.. will the F keys work? I daily drive a Thinkpad T14s G3 AMD +Fedora 38. love it!
+1 for Fedora Asahi Remix!