I'm surprised this is even possible!
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- I'm amazed this is even possible! Running so many hypervisors and so many virtual machines at the same time? x86 and x64 and ARM all at the same time? Impossible some may say.... well.... let's see shall we?
Doesn't matter if you want to be an Ethical hacker, or developer, or a network engineer, or work with AI, or computer science.... virtualization is a core skill in Information Technology - and you need to learn this.
Learning about Virtual Machines, Type 1 and Type 2 Hypervisors and basic virtualization can really change your life. This is a core skill.
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07:12 - Where to get UTM
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I'm amazed this is even possible! Running so many hypervisors and so many virtual machines at the same time? x86 and x64 and ARM all at the same time? Impossible some may say.... well.... let's see shall we?
Doesn't matter if you want to be an Ethical hacker, or developer, or a network engineer, or work with AI, or computer science.... virtualization is a core skill in Information Technology - and you need to learn this.
Learning about Virtual Machines, Type 1 and Type 2 Hypervisors and basic virtualization can really change your life. This is a core skill.
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00:00 - Introduction
01:06 - Previous Opinion
01:22 - Revisiting VirtualBox
02:11 - Running UTM
02:55 - Running VMWare and Parallel
03:14 - M1/M2 vs Intel
03:56 - Parallel Deep dive
04:38 - VirtualBox Pros and Cons
05:18 - UTM Pros and Cons
05:55 - VirtualBox Architecture Problems
07:12 - Where to get UTM
07:19 - UTM Architecture Capabilities
08:30 - Parallels vs UTM
10:00 - VMWare Fusion
10:41 - Summary
12:33 - What do you think?
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Hey David, we discussed about UTM in your last video... and the day after VirtualBox 7 was released! Coincidence? I think NOT! 🤣
could you plese make a full vidoe on how to use QEMU on Windows 11 main mechine.. Thanks :)
You can do this fine on linux amd64 using kvm & qemu. Obviously you take a performance hit for non native architectures that you need to emulate.
Very informative! Thanks for the great work and upload. I've been curious as to how virtualization would work with macOS going forward after they moved to Arm. Looks like things are coming along well.
Firstly, great to see your team are responding to comments. Great video! I'm sick of my Lenovo!! And I love when the fan kicks in and all I hear is humming haha! Definitely considering a 2nd hand mac book now :) never heard of UTM before. Learning something new everyday in tech :)
Great information, as usual! I use UTM and Parallels on my M1 Mac mini and I have VirtualBox and VMware Fusion on my i7 MacBook Pro. UTM is great for the M series Macs and the fact that it's free is even better!
Keep up these great series!
Would you recommend UTM or Parallels to run AutoCad on a MBP M3 chip with Windows?
David you always Hit thank you for all your pages. Your motivation 🙏
Thank you! I appreciate that!
Thanks David , summarised and to the point .
Nice informational vid David. Thanks!
Thank you!
Useful stuff - hadnt heard of UTM so just downloaded it - thank you!
Excellent demonstration, Mr. Bombal. An instructor once told me that MacBook M1 was not a virtualization-friendly architecture, so buying an M1 laptop would not be conducive to VM work. This video was a needed demonstration for me to see that M2 chips, if not the M1s, at least attempt virtualization for some operating systems. Since this is a demo of an M2 system, perhaps the M2 might be more acceptable than an M1 for VM work?
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Thank you for the nostalgia trip, '98 (11:07-11:12).
Great video and thank you David.
This is going to be interesting to play around with.
We will have to wait to see where they are going with this.
Outstanding demonstration and really shows off the differences between the hypervisors.
Hadn't seen that virtualbox 7 was released
Glad you enjoyed the video Aaron! And thank you!
Thanks David, it's the only video I found that point directly to what's important, without diving deep in one of the hypervisors and leaving others. And that's what I want as what you may call a power-user, that was sufficient for me. And I was wondering about the state of same hypervisors on an Intel Mac, I hope you at least note about it in a next video.
You can use VMware Fusion for free on Intel (commercial use) and you can buy Parallels. In my tests (and from what others have told me), Virtualbox is not as good as VMware or Parallels. I personally use the paid version of VMware Fusion and have found it to be great. In this video I show a bunch of VMs on Intel Mac: th-cam.com/video/yHT4kq36PE4/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for all the valuable info David. I have watched both your videos and it sounds like if I wanted to get a computer for purely pentesting, it would be easier to stay with a x64 instead of ARM since all the apps would work seamlessly/compatible as the underlying base OS is x64.
That being said, it is again recommended to work on VMs for pentesting to keep everything contained to that vm instead of having your base OS affected by malware etc.
So that leads me to having a x64 laptop with good RAM, installing Kali Linux as the base OS and then using all sorts of vms including a kali linux vm on top of the kali linux base OS etc. Is that the best approach if I were getting a pentesting oriented laptop today? Do folks do it this way?
you could also break down the paid versions into different categories:
pay once and subscription. parallels pro version is an annual fee of $120, while the standard version is a one-time fee of $100.
not a fan of everything heading to subscription models, that i think (generally speaking) paying once should be selected by users more often… to encourage developers to not jump strictly right into that pay model. this gives users more choices to feasibly use their software because it is diminishing returns on the end of the user having to commit their money to so many subscriptions already.
Spot on David! VirtualBox start 'lagging behind' since 6.1.30. Had to move EVERYTHING to VMWare. I'll try UTM.
Thanks David for creating another beneficial clip.
You're welcome!
Great video as always David! Thank you very much! Can we run EVE-NG or GNS3 on M1 chip?
Great piece on M2... was just deciding on whether or not to ask work for an M2 or old Intel... going for the M2 as what you've shown is certainly good enough for my needs. I never had a problem running x86 and x64 architectures on Intel Mac or running VMWare and Virtualbox simultaneously. It makes networking... interesting, but even that works. It's not possible to virtualize a non-native CPU, the instruction set and architecture need to be emulated. Is there some breakthrough I haven't heard of?
Haven't given UTM a look before, always used Parallels or Fusion. Definitely added to the project list to try out as I've never really trusted VMware to keep their software free or functional without moving to the paid option. Parallels is great, but a free, featured, alternative is pretty awesome.
Very interesting concept. I who was concerned about the way I could work on x64 arch if I switched to ARM machines. With this demo there no need worrying about that anymore. Thanks 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Glad it was helpful!
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thanks for sharing your observations, David. So that's why I purchased a refurbished Intel-based MBP at 2021, I use pretty much x64 vms on mac.
And at the time of that purchase, I also started to keep watching the progress of processor emulation on ARM based MacOS, which could help me decide the next choice of laptop - mac or what?
Focusing the camera to the arm when he was talking about ARM architecture :D Such a detailed work...
Thank you for noticing :)
My guess is: it's a new system architecture (not instruction set of course) designed from scratch with virtualization in mind. And the software as well.
The underlying software of UTM is Qemu, which supports snapshots, so I would be surprised if it's not created at some point.
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I love virtualization a lot...thank you for sharing and inspiring
Hey, I know This might be a stupid question to ask. But is there a UTM for windows or software such as UTM that can run comfortably in Windows?
It's always a pleasure to watch your videos as they are full of infos and freaky simple to understand and follow the steps you are taking...seriously, I think you are the best to vulgarise such complex informations...thanks to you!
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Sir, thank you very much indeed for this videos. Are very usefull for people who try to learn CS and cybersecurity.
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Just ordered this same platform this morning!
The M2 is great :)
great video, these edits are gold
Thank you! Glad you like them!
I have managed to run Virtual Box and Hyper-V at the same time on my 11th gen i7 Intel processor without any issues. Also I have managed with my Threadripper to run nested virtualization. HV #1 was KVM/QEMU and then Hyper-V on HV #2 (the virtual Hypervisor) to run all sorts of VM's successfully. Considering speed and emulation that is the difference between a CISC and a RISC Processor (Threadrippers, intel and amd CPU's are CISCs and arm are RISCs) when it comes to speed. Finally UTM is just a shiny QEMU. KVM/QEMU in case anyone is wondering is the champion of Hypervisors that runs on Linux. It gives you the ability to do pretty much anything (Fortune 500 companies use KVM/QEMU on their infrastructure with Red Hat Linux). KVM/QEMU even gives you the ability to pass through your H/W directly to a VM (great if you want a dedicated VM to connect a USB stick and make sure you won't get any viruses, ransomware etc. to your main system or make a virtual Gaming PC like mine).
Hi, I’m torned part between getting a Lenovo X1 Carbon and Macbook Air M2 to start my learning path on Ethical Hacking. I really love Apple products and I can see that UTM helps with emulating x86/64 architecture OS but in your opinion is it “usable” in real life situation ?I’ve seen some comments said that the performance of Kali x64 emulation in UTM is too slow to consider as a option. Thank you !
Amazing. Thanks a lot for the video
Hey! David sir, it was amazing !
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Hey david , I am craving to buy an new MacBook as an computer system technology student, but my school recommends me to buy an windows laptop but still I had made my mind to buy an MacBook. So my question is that , I want to be an network architect in future so will macbook be a great idea or do i just stick up with windows. My usage for school is vmware, we mostly run windows server and centos . So if possible can you suggest me what to do ?
Thanks David. This is exactly the type of video I was looking for with regards to virtualisation on Apple Silicon. I have an M1 Air and I'm now finding myself having to set up a test/demo lab but with some Windows servers thrown in there. I could run some of this in Azure but I want some of it running locally. It's been a while since I've looked at running VMs on Mac and I was thinking do I get a Mac with more RAM as 16GB is limiting for VMs, but I see it's probably not the way to go for my workloads. I'll invest in a NUC or similar instead as the VM lab as this seems like the most compatible and cost-effective option.
This is what I did, I’ve made my own home lab on an Intel Nuc 10 with 32GB of ram (in the process of upgrading to 64GB), so I could move from my old Intel Mac to a new M1 MacBook Pro 😊 Intel Nuc with Proxmox VE is amazing for me, I’ve used it to build a Kubernetes+CEPH cluster to study for CKA and it works like a sharm. It has quite poor gpu but Fedora 37 Workstation and windows 10 VMs works very well for what I need.
When I first got my 8GB M1 MacBook Pro, I threw UTM onto it and got a 4GB virtual machine going, then started up iOS simulators on XCode at the same time side-by-side. Threw swap usage through the roof (multiple VSCode windows, nodeJS services for React, among other things were running simultaneously), but the system remained very responsive and didn't miss a beat despite having higher swap usage than I had RAM in the entire system.
It did lag very slightly when switching apps (running a browser at the same time would also cause it to hang slightly when switching tabs), but aside from this, there were hardly any other signs that the system was being pushed this hard. I was quite impressed with how well it managed such a ludicrous workload on such a tight RAM setup (however suboptimal it was on an 8GB rig). Definitely going to upgrade eventually, but it's far from unusable.
Hey! Thanks so much for this video!
Great job and waiting for this david happy weekend to you
Thank you! You too!
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Interesting concept I suppose, but I'm not sure what the use case would be to using multiple hypervisors at the same time, when you could just use the one that fits your needs and spin up multiple VMs from that.
I think in most cases you would be correct. However, if you prefer using Parallels for example, but want to interact with x86 or x64 then you would either have to switch everything to UTM or just spin up a UTM x86/x64 while using Parallels for ARM. I've personally had times when I wished I could spin up multiple hypervisors for testing, but wasn't able to on intel.
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One use-case is for doing Data Centre training. You can run a hypervisor that runs Type 1 VMs and then run the Type 2 VMs on those.
It won’t be fast… but it does allow for Virtualization the Data Centre tools and learn them.
It’s like nested dolls 😂
would this aid in privacy/online anonymity?
@@SuperWubDub I suspect that's the idea behind mixnet.
Thanks David for the video, very informative as always, Question, if ARM arc, can perform that good, why new tablets with ARM processor don't run x64 operating system?
This is great, thank you!
Hi David,
Just wondering which Curved monitor you are using? Wanting to buy one and yours looks nice. Thanks
Thank you for this video @davidbombal and the many others! Have you since tried VirtualBox 7.x., this many months later? Will you do a part 2? I am replacing my old MacBook intel with either an M1 Pro or M2
great info. thanks David.
Thank you for the valuable information
Thank you for the video.
I wondered if it would be possible to run a virtual pc locally, sync the file changes to cloud backup then if there was any trouble with the local pc move that virtual machine file to a cloud provider and remote in and keep working? What options are available to do this?
I tend to not like Emulation , I like Native Hardware with a Native OS , But this is just pretty cool . I can see a few Uses for this .... Thank you for showing it can be done .
👍👍👍👍👍Great stuff David!
Wow... hmm... this might be the only reason for me to get an Apple ARM PC.
Which, among these hypervisors, would be better to running Android?
On my intel system I was not able to run my GNS3 topology and Virtualbox at the same time.
Tanks. I tried UTM as well and it works great for ARM architecture OS. With UTM, would you consider M1/2 macbook à good hacking machine?
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Thank you!
Cool, I’ll getting an M2 Mac, will have to try UTM
It's free, so worth seeing if it works.
David, you mentioned you liked Parallels, but didn’t really mention any reason why you preferred Parallels over VMfusion. I’m currently using VMfusion, but wanted to see if there was any reason to switch the Parallels. Thanks for the good content.
As I mention in the video, VMWare Fusion on M1/M2 is currently in Tech Preview (and has been for a long time). It's not a final product yet and we don't know if VMware will charge for it, or if it will be free. VMware said that they wouldn't be supporting Windows on Mac (only Linux). Looks like that may have changed since their original announcement - check their announcements. In my experience (which may be different to others), I find that VMware are crippling their free products. VMware Workstation Player is limited compared to Pro. If you are happy with VMware, then there is no major reason to change.
There is good and bad in both products. Best is to download both and see which you like.
to run 64X on virtualBox you have to enable Virtualization in Bios (as i remember there are 2 options you have to enable - one of them is Virtualization).
thank you David i wish you cover virtual machine manager on a linux host ...maybe having muta aka some ordinary gamer or mental outlaw on your channel to demonstrate that , that would be epic
Why not run esxi in one of your hypervisors or hyperer-v inside a windows VM?
I've done this in the past, but it can get slower nesting virtual machines within virtual machines within virtual machines. In this video I show linux within VMware Player within Windows within Fusion within macOS: th-cam.com/video/yHT4kq36PE4/w-d-xo.html
Hi David. Thank you. I nearly reverted back to my intel mac after struggling to make vmware work. Thankfully parralels came to the rescue. However learning ethical hacking on the new M2 is still a challenge for me. Its almost as if all my Software is broken.
Hi, so Kali Linux on a virtual isn't performing well when running tools ? Could you let me know what kind of tools you're using? I'm considering buying a MacBook for cybersecurity work and would like some advice.
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Great video!! how about running Windows Server OS (2012 or 2016) on the m2 macbook air using UTM? Does it support it?
Great video - have you tried embedded ESXi?
Thank You so much I have been trying to crack it since 2 days.. Finally it worked.. thanks
🤯mind blown. So far I have tried the free version of VMWare Fusion 13 to run Windows 11 and I am impressed. I'm open to trying Parallels, but I can't justify paying for it at the moment.
Parallels charges too much... However i think more companies will go the subscription route and the offshoot would be "we can provide our customers with more feature" Give then an incentive to pay,,
But it's still too pricy. Although its the only products that offers 3D acceleration on Apple silicon natively, while other do OpenGL, as they have always done
One could argue that' increases performance..
Thank you so much
Great Content
Nice sir your video is always increasing our knowlage
Glad to hear that
That's what many pentesters are facing when they use apple silicon macs that running utm is slow. I'm glad David, show us the video clip to watch.
I bought an M1 MacBook Pro and went back to Intel because I needed virtualization. If this is possible, it opens up so many opportunities now!!! Thanks Mr. Bombal!!!
Hello David, I have used Virtual Box and VMware Workstation at the same time on my amd ryzen processor with no issues.
Hey David thank you for the amazing content I learned A LOT from you. Do you recommend MacBook for networking lab ? I use Eve-my for Cisco and Fortigate iOS’s
I tried and it is installed thank u very much anda
i have a question does Windows server works on UTM or VMware fusion? because i cant find anything that says it works
I love this content ❤
Thank you! Glad to hear that!
That's impressive with that piece of hardware.
On my x86_64 Linux host (i5 6700k), I am able to run three virtual machines at the same time, Linux Mint 21, Windows 11 and MacOS Catalina smoothly on KVM. Athough they are only running on the same archtecture as the host, I thought that was pretty interesting.
where to get macOS iso's?
Very good summary and comparisons!! In my case, Parallels for the win!
Thank you Alejandro!
This is great stuff. Ty
Hi. Please what kind and requirements of computer to run all this ?
Even for mac os and Windows.
Thank you.
I love VMS, running Kali on my macbook really soft.
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Hope you enjoyed it!
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On x86 disabling hardware acceleration has allowed me to run multiple hypervisors. Also, if Windows is configured with Hyoer-V then virtualbox can use Hyper-V as the virtualzation layer
Thanks David, I was wondering if I should buy an M2 and this seals the deal!
Hello, I have a M2 chip Mac, and my school need me to run ubuntu using shell for coding in C, ErLang, C# etc. I've tried virtual box on my older Mac, it's really slow. What kind of virtual machine app you would recommend among these choices tho?
Thanks so much
Mr. Bombal have you gotten the new MacBook to successfully run GNS3 or EVE-NG?
Thanks a lot man!
I was avoiding new M1/M2 MacBook because these issues. Do I need to reconsider it for my next laptop purchase?
One issue I have with parallels is you need to pay for the upgrade to keep things working smoothly. For example my kernel on kali linux isn’t supported by parallels 17, so I lost the copy and paste function between 2 VMs. Apparently it’s fixed in parallels 18, but that’s a $70 upgrade to get copy and paste back
No, you're paying $70 to upgrade an old product into a new one, having your copy/paste functionality back is a side effect.
Oh this looks fun for my homelab
Hello iam using parallels in my mac book pro 16gb ram and iam running win 11 with falcon BMS 4.36 with very hi frame rates, also p3d with good speed, i have tryed to install in UTM open bsd with no luck any ideas in this matter?
Great job 👍
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Thanks David!
How did you set up virtualbox on this? Are these X86_64 or ARM64 virtual machines?
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Thank God! I thought I was the only one complaining about how spooky VirtualBox 7.0 is. I had to go back to VirtualBox 6.1. To get kali and Ubuntu on my windows 11. Thaks for the clarification.
David, I’m running VMWare workstation, I have several vms (TrueNas Core, Truenas Scale, kali, Ubuntu ) all for different lab purposes, want to run VSphere 8 have been unsuccessful, any ideas?
Great content as usual! How can I convert a parallels VM to VMWARE?
As a HUGE UTM fanboy I've noticed that the best distros for aarch64 are Debian ARM and Arch ARM, I don't know why but with this two I feel like running on bare metal! I've tried BlackArch (so emulation x86) and it was a complete disaster... You are right: if you want an affordable and robust hypervisor you have to go with Parallels for sure, it's worth the 100 bucks per year!
$100 per year? 🙂