What If? Captain Carter: Everything I Loved (And Everything I Didn't)
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- How was the premiere episode for Marvel Studios What If? - In this 1940's set ep, Steve Rogers steps aside to make way for Peggy Carter's super-soldier Captain. The animation might be stunning, but can it grow past The First Avenger's shadow? I break down everything I loved and everything I didn't!
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It's honestly feels like a safe intro to the show before we get into the ultimatly more interesting episodes in the show.
What stuck out most to me was definitely awesome animation but also the fact that you can tell some of the MCU cast isn't used to VA work. Even Howard Stark's accent kept constantly slipping out.
And who the frick deleted my comment?
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I see a lot of people defending the fast pacing by saying "well, they had to fit a two hour movie into 30 minutes!" But no, they didn't. They didn't need to retell almost the entirety of First Avenger. They could have just written an original story that fits into the 30 minutes timeframe. Like for example, why are the Howling Commandos even in this? They are just the same as in the movie and add nothing.
I do believe that Steve also hand picked the Howling Commandos in the movie. But agreed
Why even limit themselves to 30 minutes tho? Maybe some contractual thing with the animators or something? But its not like they have to fit into any scheduled programming, why not just make these a little longer if they can't naturally fit into 30 minutes
@@creedbratton4064 whoever is paying for things doesn't want to hand out more piles of money they reduce the time
Exactly! Why even make it this way? Every small deviation from the film feels meaningless, and every plot beat that is retread feels contrived.
@@Antonio-ys5zd that might be true, but if all the What If... episodes are 30 minutes long (including the credits), then that's nothing. Plenty of episodes of WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Solider, and Loki all clocked in close to the 1 hour mark. It is more expensive to do animation as opposed to live action, but if thats the route they've elected to take, they shouldn't cut corners on time and negatively impact the stories as a result
I feel like some of the voice acting felt like a video game. Like when she said “That was brilliant! Let’s try it again” I felt like I just unlocked a new ability in a video game and there was a tutorial for how to use it.
it actually does!
This episode felt really fast, not just the pacing, but the actual spoken lines themselves
Yes it was definitely fast paced.
@@katanafourzeronine I think that's the point though. It's meant to be a concise version of the main plot beats of Captain America 1.
I chalk that up to the actors not being used to voice acting.
Agreed
@@normietwiceremoved just because it's supposed to be like that doesn't mean it works
The Captain Carter call-name doesn't bother me when I remember were the "Captain America" call-name began, it was originally Steve's stage name. Literally his stage name. He would likely been Captain Rogers had it not been for Bucky calling for a cheer for Captain American after his rescue. Peggy doesn't have a comparable moment. The closest is when she demands a promotion to Captain, so Captain Carter calls back to that moment for her. It's not as strong as Steve's moment but nullifies my would-be feelings over a potential Peggy Carter, Captain Britain.
Thats a good point! But I do think thematically it makes the union flag adorned outfit utterly pointless. If you're going to put her in the costume I think you need a bit more reasoning.
@@FullFatVideos I assume the Union Flag costume exists because they had already been brainstorming a Captain America outfit for Steve. When Peggy got the serum instead, their first idea would be to adapt the costume to Peggy, and the best they could come up with in a couple of minutes is to just change the flag to match her nationality.
I wholeheartedly agree with this! To me it's like this, 1) Peggy is British flesh and bone 2) you already know that the name is taken by another big figure who started out back in the classic era of comics.
What if for me is more like a really good Saturday morning cartoon than a big installment in the MCU and I think that's perfectly fine. I found it pretty fun ☺️
Thank you. Like everything ain’t gotta be wandavision y’all. It’s a bunch of one offs mainly for kids
LOVE your attitude, Mate!!😆🙌
I think it's a missed opportunity to not have Steve become a sort of Winter Soldier equivalent. They said they want to revisit Captain Carter in later seasons, so it would have been cool to do that for him.
Absolutely, I was super surprised they didnt go that route
There’s still time!
@@FullFatVideos fingers crossed!!
Wouldn’t this just be giving her the beats of Steve’s modern story after giving her the beats of his origin story?
@@ExhaustedWombat Yeah, to an extent. I just kinda would have liked it.
Peggy’s decision to stay down stairs is like the Turn Left moment in Doctor Who - I quite like the attention to the small decision that changed the world, or kinda… didn’t change as much as it should…
"when one show ends, two more takes it's place!"
"Hail Mickey!"
hahaha!
I liked it but found it dissapointing.
For me, a series like "What If?" would work best as a kind of Twilight Zone style show. Where you show how one change can drastically alter the whole history and in most cases, not in a good way.
That's how the comic book this is adapted from basically worked. Almost none of the stories had happy endings. They were essentially cautionary tales of how wrong things could go if they deviated.
The other way to go with it would be to do shows with ultra happy endings you wish had happened and know that never will for the mainstream MCU.
I just feel that packs a stronger emotional punch for a series.
Kevin Feige likes to play safe, that's the problem.
They've confirmed that there's going to be more Captain Carter episodes in future series, so maybe some of the other ones will get dark, since they won't need to keep them around?
Well the show follows this one storyline throughout the whole season, so I’d expect some pretty bad stuff to happen in future episodes.
Well, in this reality, Bucky didnt suffer, No soldiers were tested by Hydra for the Winter Soldier program, and the ending of Peggy is still dark.
@@johnelmartagbago3764 I mean the follow up could get pretty dark. Without the winter soldier hydra takeover of shield wouldn't get exposed quite as quickly
I love how you are combining voice overs and "live action" filming its awesome
thanks! it might mean i can get more videos out too!
I for one, like that they gave her the name Captain Carter. It sounds like something they would do back in the day with the alliteration names. Petter Parker, Bruce Banner, Klark Kent, Lois Laine. Plus Captain Carter has a nice snap to it IMO.
It is amazing how you made three typos
As I'm watching, I'm realizing just how very *old-school* this episode felt -- much of the 1970's/1980's run of What If felt just as breezy (and shallow, tbh), right down to the montage in the middle of the episode (which mimics the splash pages used in those old books to indicate time going by. If nothing else, this genuinely did feel like an old What If issue brought to life... right down to the same flaws.
That’s what I expected going into the series. That’s probably why I liked the episode
Yeah, I think that's an artistic choice. It was the first episode, also a flashback episode, and an alternate introduction to Nexus events, this time from Uatu's perspective. I'm really excited for what's to come in the series!
The thing I didn't like about it was how we spend the entire episode just retreading the first Captain America movie. I would have loved to see even just a montage at the end showing how the rest of the MCU changed.
Howard Stark basically created Iron Man before his son did. So I wanted to see if Tony Stark went on to do everything the same as he did originally. Did he create his own Iron Man based on his father's work? Was he an arms dealer? Was he a good guy? Or did he turn evil? Maybe Peggy and Tony hook up? Does Steve have a grand nephew or something?
How would women's right have progressed if they had this Wonder Woman-like icon back in the 40's to point to and aspire to? Maybe we would have more female heroes, more female villains, just more females in more prominent positions and roles in general.
To me, the most interesting part of What If stories isn't the simple role swap or path divergence. To me, it's where they go from there. What is the domino effect? I mean, with Peggy becoming Captain Carter, and Bucky surviving, does that mean there's no Winter Soldier? There's no Red Guardian? No other super soldiers? What about all those vials of blood they took from her? Could there have been some HYDRA agent or something who stole one of those vials, got it to enemy scientists, and created their own evil Amazonian super woman?
Couldn't have said that better myself.
I believe that this season follows the same timeline of changes. Captain Carter is gonna be in future episodes of this same timeline, so we’ll see the fallout of all this throughout the entire season (I think. Don’t hold me to that)
Watching this episode felt like when you play one of those choice making games for the second time and make different decisions, but the story line pretty much staying exactly the same
r.i.p telltale
In my opinion, there should have been more fallout from the serum amplifying the negative aspects of Peggy’s personality. Her need to prove herself, perhaps some repressed anger or need for control.
How could he continue with the bomber? The designs for the guns and bomber were made by Arnim Zola. Both were captured by Captain Carter.
It makes sense that while poring over the Yggdrasil door, Red Skull figures out a way to tap into the Tesseract’s actual ability to open portals.
There were factors to the side effects of the serum in Peggy. Her need to prove herself and anger at those who doubt her were ecpressed as cockiness and arrogance mainly. Of course she was kinda selfish in deciding to take the serum instead of using the vials to make more for everybody but the story has to go on i guess
You can't have an arc in 30 minutes, they're short what if stories not full length films. Essentially glimpses of alternate stories
It would have been an awful message if the female captain can't control her emotions but the male one can, if anything Peggy should be more in control than Steve
Was Peggy a controlling or underestimated person when she met Steve?? I don't remember her to have that much of bottled up frustration. And throwing 10-20 45lb plates into a wall feels like pretty womanly way to deal with frustration. Then, the way she ruthlessly fight when she realized how strong she actually is!! Also a really feminine way to show how she feels being super powered
I thought Steve was going to become the Winter Soldier then allowing them to meet up in the future.
I can’t tell if it’s just the animation, but her battle choreography is so much better than Steve’s. Like I’m fairly certain there isn’t a point where Rogers grabs the shield by its edge and uses it as a weapon like that.
age of ultron at the start i think
@Ewan Callister 🤔Steve also did training as a solider so that argument doesn't add up.
It's probably because she's the woman who is going to be 100% better than the male version of captain America, because "women are better than men".
@@Cvr5ta0ywa awww dude c’mon don’t ruin my comment by being weird and pretending that feminism is a problem
@@Cvr5ta0ywa um hell no. don’t be a feminist.
i loved how on the outro the Hydra castle looked like a dark Disney castle.
In my opinion, everything felt weightless, The show felt like clashing a bunch of action figures together.
Isn’t that the point
@@locks9326 he may not be uses to animation fight scenes.
He hasnt watched enough anime
@@xMckingwill I guess so? I don't know, the movements just felt less weighty, JL unlimited felt weighty and so did invincible, even the avengers assemble tv show had movement with weight, this one just didn't feel right, it legit just looked so plastic to me and the movements felt overly fast, almost like it was fast forwarded...if that makes any sense
@@rubenyap5139 i get what you are saying i think lol
sameee
Pretty enjoyable first episode, but I definitely hope they tone down the explanations in future episodes (although that doesn't leave Jeffrey Wright much to do each episode) and go a bit more off-script. I can understand them sticking pretty rigidly to the Cap movie formula for the first one to introduce an unfamiliar audience. Fingers crossed for the rest of the season.
By the way, I think I remember hearing we were going to see Shuma-Gorath in Doctor Strange 2. If so, maybe this was a tease of him, which is why it felt a bit shoe-horned in (and also why they couldn't show too much)?
"Peggy is riding Steve's Hydra Stomper" hehe
As a first episode, I really enjoyed this one. What-ifs and alternate takes on stories are something that'll always engage me, and I'm really excited to see if this new show succeeds in giving me an alternate take on established MCU events that I'll honestly think of as an improvement
I think most of the criticisms can all be attributed to the very short runtime, its a 30 minute long what if scenario thats basicly a retelling of a movie that already got some flack for being too fast paced in the middle and relegated a ton of stuff for a montage sequence (a great one if you ask me, but others may disagree). I really like Captain Carter and I hope to see more of her, but I would really have liked to see more animated missions with her and Hydra Stomper Steve, I guess the fact it made me want to see more is a good sign.
I just feel like the delivery of the lines didn’t really have much effort
Same
Pretty common when actors do voice acting. Different skills
That's interesting that you saw it as Killmonger "capturing" Tony Stark. The impression I got from the trailer was that he _saved_ Tony, so instead of being captured and becoming Iron Man, perhaps Killmonger will become his bodyguard, and Tony will make the suit for him or something. I'm really excited for that episode too, no matter which direction they take it.
I feel people are being a bit overly critical and judging this as they should something like Wandavision or Loki.
This is an anthology series, ala Twilight Zone.
And add on top of that not everyone might have seen every movie in the MCU or might not remember a movie/series of events leading into the creation of a What-If universe.
So Uatu explaining the nature of the Multiverse, brief overview of the original variation of events from "The Sacred Timeline", and then pointing out the point where the two diverged, then leading the story to tell itself from there works IMHO.
It helps catch people up on a story they might not remember or know about, while also clearing up potential confusion of how it exactly got to the point it diverges.
And with more complex what ifs like the Zombie-world, T'Chala as Starlord, Gamora seemingly donning Thanos' garb and taking his place, Infinite Ultron (All ones we can tell from the poster and trailers so far), that sort of explanation could help give grounding context for a universe without taking the precious few minutes an animated show like this gets per-episode so they can focus more on the "Meat" of the What-if.
This was the first episode of What-If, so they had to explain the concept to the audience and that is fair.
We will have to wait and see if they go through the same longer introduction of the Multiverse.etc in EP2 onwards, but even then I do expect the format of
Introduction to original form of events -> Clarify the moment that deviated into this new universe -> The new Universe shows itself in the episode.
As it is a format that sort of works imho.
I wish it had gone further. I mean, the callbacks to the original captain America were fun - but, save for sight of SR as proto iron man, and Peggy going through the motions the idea never really felt out there. I hope future episodes do go further away from the established films
I’m watching this video from the perspective that they’re setting up a new alternate reality. They don’t have time to give Peggy a whole new story. It’s supposed to be a parallel alternate reality. Yes they were a little fast and loose with what they did with the Tesseract. I don’t think they needed that much interaction between Red Skull and Peggy. It was about Peggy becoming a super soldier and how she’s going to be involved later on with other parts of this multi-verse. I agree with everything in this video about all that worked for this episode. And I generally appreciate all the criticisms from other marvel essays done here. But I think the perspective and criticism for this episode wasn’t the right one. Still love the contact you guys do at full fat.
There is one problem I personally have, I wish it had a happy ending. I know the need to repeat the basic plot beats but I was hoping for a conclusive ending deviating from the first avenger.
I dont think you realize how expensive it would be to have longer episode at this quality with the actual actors with no set revenue to justify the expense
Yeah because disney and Marvel are short of money
@@deadpool8340 well you clearly know nothing about business, businesses don't pour money into a project that is not going to make them a profit, how long do you think a business can survive by say putting a million dollars into something that will only bring in half a million, losing half a million dollars, think about what you are going to say before you spew dumb takes just for a like or a reaction, because you look ignorant
@@deadpool8340 They have the money to spend but is the viewership big enough that they could make that money back?
I want to watch “What if Ant Man expanded into Thanos’ Rectum?” Not what if Iron Man teamed up with Killmonger.
I liked this episode but sebestian Stan voice acting is funny
yeah haha he was the best part fs
Trying to comment this everywhere before people start to pick up on it:
In the second full length What If trailer, there's a scene with the creepy looking version of Doctor Strange, standing alongside Captain Carter and talking to her. This is NOT an anthology in the way you'd expect. If you ask me, each episode will be an origin, before a crossover finale. I'm willing to put money on it.
Also, further evidence, there's a car ad they did that has all the heroes fighting together, which implies a crossover.
Also also, (and this bit people actually are talking about) the Watcher will absolutely intervene.
Hopefully, as that would sound good! I don’t think it makes the first episode any stronger though
@@FullFatVideos oh, agreed. But it would explain why critics are saying it's "an MCU fans dream" and that sort of thing
I don't get how Peggy becoming Cap instead of Steve impacts Red Skull deciding to summon a squid monster
They probably spent a bit of time trying to come up with a plan B after losing the tesseract and found more detail about what it could be used for. That's my guess anyway
@@jessicaable5095 yup.
I love this channel. Not overly negative but doesn’t blindly praise everything either. It’s very level-headed and it helps ground the reviews and make it much easier to hear out the perspectives being brought into the video. Combine that with the great editing and Matt’s honestly really soothing voice and you get what is essentially one of my favourite movie analysis channels on the platform.
Comment of my day. Thank you!
Honestly I do think they'll eventually delve more into more original takes on What If's than the movie-recaps with occaaional specific changes
I mean we are going to get Party Thor eventually, an arrogant Mjolnir-weilding Thor living in Vegas of all things, obviously resulting in Loki ruling Asgard causing MORE than a few changes
Not to mention we do get a clip of Doctor Strange Supreme asking Captain Carter who she is, when I don't even think Strange met Cap once in the Sacred Timeline. I believe this means that we might start our with similar stories compared to previous movies, but those changed up stories eventually converge as the series progresses, allowing for far more unique creativity near the end of the season
15:50 season 2 is confirmed. Captain Carter is confirmed to return later in season 1 and in season 2
Would have been really interesting if Steve became a winter soldier-esque character maybe like an iron soldier or something.
Everyone mad that Peggy is stronger or whatever, but they said the serum enhances everything. She was 100% stronger then Steve when they were normal, so It makes sense she is naturally stronger without needing much experience.
I mean, not rlly. Bigger maybe, but there was nothing to suggest a monumental difference in strength, speed, and agility
17:30 That problem has actually already started when you realize you forgot The Bad Batch has already been airing and nobody remembers.
Falcon and the Winter Soldier fans: "John Walker killed a terrorist! He's a son of a bitch!"
Fans of #WhatIf: "#CaptainCarter laughs and she's having fun while she kills Nazis! She's a hero!"
These episodes really should have been an Hour long.
I think it was perfect, honestly because I expected this is what this would be. Marvel is currently in the more investigative phase when it comes to Multiverse stuff, and seeing where it sticks with audiences. Avengers 1 and Civil War were their "team-up" investigations to see how many super heroes could fit in one movie and still be accepted by audiences. Thor introduced a kind of magic, which if it had been more successful then Dr. Strange may have adapted the concept of "it's like science that you don't understand yet" more heavily. Currently the WandaVision and Loki have both introduced aspects of possible multiverse structures. "What if" is the first one to really use the trope of "these are our characters, but different" and so having the first episode basically be "What if Peggy Carter was the first Avenger?" I think was an excellent start. Could they have done more? yeah, but I'm more excited to see them hopefully bringing Captain Carter back and doing more with her character.
Honestly it makes me excited for the rest of the series, it was a very interesting new take on the story of The First Avenger
I feel like this episode was really safe, like it hits the minimum beats to make it enjoyable but treading the same ground.
Maybe it’s because the team wanted to start at a baseline and up the weirdness of the next episodes, but it ruins such a great premise for the first episode and making it sort of mehhhh T-T
I enjoyed the episode. It did feel a bit rushed in places, but it's a 30 minute cartoon. Initially, I didn't think they needed to tell Steve's story at the beginning, but I realized that this is a new show so you have to set it up. Plus, you have to remember that somewhere down the line, say 5-10 years, someone will stumble across this and watch for the first time and may not be familiar with all of Marvel/MCU. Lastly, I took this episode as a set up for all of the changes to come. Because of that one change, it changed everything to come. Overall, I'm just excited to see what comes next. Keep up the great videos.
When you mentioned about villain relationships, it reminded me of how good the agent carter series is for that, especially with Dottie
The Hydra Stomper was really cool
yeah it was just kind a promo reel but here for it. That's what the What Ifs comics are for. Testing the water what the audience/reader think about it. I definitely want more of Captain Carter now. I hope they give her, her own animated show.
I think you need to go back and read some "What If" comic book stories. They always use a single issue to explore an interesting or funny concept. These are just a short episode to explore the idea.
And for the first few episodes, trust me, they *do* need to explain everything. The early episodes pay the bills for everything that comes afterwards.
Honestly, Steve being the first Iron Man is a far more interesting concept to me than Captain Carter lol. It also had a few moments I thought were kinda funny but that’s about it.
The major problem is the pacing, everything moves so fast with so little development because they’re just supplanting Steve’s role in the movie with Peggy with no substantive differences except she’s a woman and has to deal with Irrational McDumbass. If you already saw TFA, they’re just hitting the same notes so there’s little new or thought provoking here.
And while I like Iron Man Steve, it does bother me that he’s still alive here. Why not just kill him off and if Peggy brings the Tesseract back, Stark can be Iron Man 0.5? Surely that would give Peggy a more interesting character arc since she’d feel like she was supplanting Steve after he had been killed in action? Because as it is, why doesn’t she just help him into the pod? It’s not impossible, he was still alive and could easily have just slipped back in there, and there’s no reason for it as far as I’m concerned.
And of course, the sexism shit is just exhausting at this point. Yes, a major army leader would be THAT hostile to a female super soldier just because of a vagina, he’d have no ability to see the wider picture at all. Now, I haven’t seen TFA in a while so maybe this character was also an ass in the original movie, I really don’t remember him at all, but assuming that he was, he’s just a pointless character here since even his sexism is pushed out of the way pretty damn quickly.
I’m just disappointed by this. I was actually looking forward to this show cos I thought it would be pretty hard to screw things up if they’re only doing it episode by episode but this is NOT a good first impression and was just a bad FanFic episode that is on the quality of what I wrote when I was 14, which is not an endorsement, believe me. Then again, even from the promos, I thought this would be the weakest concept so maybe the future episodes will make better use of their concepts…one can only hope…
11:45 can’t stop rewatching this
I guess the difference with the allies or more importantly Peggy, Stark, and Steve is they didn’t want a world ending amount of weapons and only put power with those that could be trusted.
This! this is stark before he becomes a mass weapons dealer/capitalist, and his involvement with SAS was a specialized gear, weapons and armour designer. He didn't have the legal scooe and authority to arm every paratrooper company. And well know starks are better at focusing on projects that create one prototype/version before moving on to something new.
Which is why I think it would be strong-armed and orchestrated by the Colonel.
@@FullFatVideos oh but if you think of how little stark had plans the suit it had to have the tesseract in it to be fully powered and he never found a way at that time to store its power. With the jump forward, that begs the question as to whether a perfected suit was built because they ended the war with the suit and the tesseract and given time how could have found a way but that is the point of what if stories. What else was different in that time line as time past?
I think it wouldve been really cool if Steve turned into the winter soldier after the train explosion
This is such a good break down of the show and gives voice to those feelings I had where I kinda knew I was underwhelmed but wasn't entirely sure why. Excellent work!
I do hope the other episodes don't feel like they have to tell the same stories as the movies. They point of these should be "look how cool and new these alternate universes are" and not "what if movie you already saw but with a squid at the end?"
Your ideas for what the episode could have been (dare I say,, your own what if) are amazing
I feel the first episode not diverging too much is an artefact of it being the first episode and having to ease the viewers into the idea, how some things may change while others won't. it's the baby step into the idea of "What if..?" before later episodes go full force.
You do know that Captain Carter is going to be one of the lynchpins in the MCAU, right. She’s going to be in multiple episodes in What If…? S1.
The sad thing is capitain carter suffered from the same thing as captain america 1 did: it shoehorned too much too fast just so the character could be in the timeline for an avengers lineup.
I like it that you've become more critical about Marvel things and Movies in general. I think you learned a lot from EFAP which is great
I thought it was weird that Peggy was told she couldn't go into the field since she was an "Agent", which leads to her demand to be promoted to "Captain". Peggy's an SOE (Special Operations Executive) Agent. SOE Agents were often deployed behind enemy lines to help local resistance groups. Maybe Peggy hasn't been in the field, but Agents definitely did fieldwork.
I just appreciate how combative and raw Captain Carter was compared to Captain America. Similar morals, but fewer punches held back.
This felt like a fun romp that was a paper-thin subpar replacement for the exceptional Agent Carter series. They NEED to make that canon. Establish that that’s the main timeline and that Steve found an alternate Peggy. She deserves better than being a meh Captain America replacement that doesn’t even get the name or her own unique story and a reward for Steve for saving the universe. Peggy didn’t need the serum to be a hero the level of Captain America and I hate the implication that she’s not worth headlining a canon MCU property except maybe when she got lucky and got the serum in an alternate timeline, but even then it’ll be a few years if ever. For an episode supposedly about Peggy finally getting to prove her worth this episode did a whole lot to underline the fact that she hadn’t been allowed to escape Steve’s shadow in the MCU proper in the last decade of movies.
Also you’re so right, it’s way too much.
It seems like they have a plan for Peggy in the future of the show.
Personally I would have just sent them into the future together Cap with the Hydra Stomper and Peggy appearing in front of Fury and Hawkeye.
I think everything you’ve said is accurate, but at the same time I still desperately want to see more of this particular universe. I honestly thought TFA was a tad shallow myself, but it set the stage for much deeper exploration.
I want to follow skinny crippled Steve Rogers as he explores his world without Peggy, without the shield, and without the singular great evil that is Hydra/Nazism. I want to see him living his life trying to honor the spirit of Captain Carter.
I want to see him go to war again in Korea. I want him to look at the reckless aggression of MacArthur and question the wisdom of America’s fervor. I want him to discover Isiah Bradley as he is trying to save his comrades and help elevate him or break him out of prison if needed, and perhaps gain a much earlier insight into what it means to be a black man in America.
I want him to go for some last hurrahs in Vietnam and as a result end up joining the peace movement and Civil Rights movement. I want to see Steve, an old cripple and war hero without a suit of armor, standing alongside leaders of the civil rights movement in places like Selma. I want to see him, the skinny kid from Brooklyn, plant himself like a tree and says “no, you move”.
THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!🙌🙌🙌
I liked the monologues by the Watcher because to me they're a callback to the initial comic books.
There is a very specific reason Captain Carter was brought into modern times. These episodes will turn out to not be unconnected as the season progresses. Characters from the different early episodes will come together in later ones. That is... if rumors are to be believed. ;)
I feel like the episodes will be more and more different from the og timeline
Me too
yeah the second episode confirmed this
The whole episode felt like someone was tapping A to skip the dialogue and cutscenes
Turn left will always be the best What If!
Funny because the video I was working on this week was a turn left one! Then I switched gears to this. That video is still on its way mind you
Looking forward to it!
The only problem that I had was my mentality going into it. Honestly I was really hoping to get a happy ending. I liked it a lot but I wished that we had gotten an ending that deviated from the first avenger.
If you wanted significant, branching repercussions like what you seem to have hoped for from this, I *highly* recommend For All Mankind (Apple TV+ series). Don't even look at the promos (because frankily, they spoil what eventually happens), just watch the first 5 minutes of the first episode and if it interests you, keep going.
..it also stars the guy that played Flag in Suicide Squad.
I think something to consider when reviewing episodes and the story choices they make. These aren't just one off stories, the show will setup an overall story that spans across all episodes. I'd agree with the criticism more if this was a one and done random what if story.
The second episode was far better than the first one. The pacing has been done much better. Feels more like an episode rather than a highlight reel
The only problem i have with the animation is that the lip-syncing is kinda off. The faces don't express as much as they should, the mouths don't stretch or open that much.
"Peggy riding Steve's Hydra-Stomper"
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Shows you the difference between the USA and UK culture as (as an Englishman) I just cringe when I see Captain Carter whereing the Union Flag.
It's alright I suppose. But people don't wear the flag like they do in the USA (or at least any wear close to how the yanks do)
Plus the Union flag is a very pleasing & symetrical-ish (RIP the Irish Republic Red) so on Peggy the design just looks a bit too messy & busy.
There's a reason Captain America only has 1 start & doesn't try the full 50
Fellow Englishman (well, woman) here 😊 I get that take but I must say I did kinda like the UK flag on her costume. It made sense in story because it was supposedly designed for a tour selling war bonds or whatnot, and is was designed by Stark, an American. I quite liked that he wanted to show off her... Britishness, I guess. It felt less self idealizing than it would normally because it wasn't a Brit's idea. That's my take anyway. I also like the thought of our flag being used to cut tank wheels and bash Nazis on the head 😂
How did The Red Skull get The Tesseract back from H. Stark at the End? EDIT. I've just remembered lol 😆 😅 😂 So Howard gets it then starts testing and makes The Hydra Stomper for Steve! Anyway Yeah it's Very similar and a Solid 8 as a Start to Something New! Cheers FF Also We need A Dance Off with Peace Maker, Polkadot Man, Rat Catcher 2 & Zemo!
I like how they acknowledged that going after Hydra would not end the war, but they can at least do something substantial by taking down Hydra.
The thing I really don't like about some Captain America stories, or American-made WWII stories in general, is it always frames them as the unequivocal heroes who ended the war, single handedly.
I thought about the change in use of the tessaract and they have the weapons scientist captured before he could make weapons, so I guess he went to plan be. As for the monster it’s a variation of hydra from agents of shield.
Yes!!!
I feeling better that captain Carter is my idea for superheroine and wonderful moments in first episode in what if.
I honestly really didn't like the first What If episode. It felt really sloppy and rushed at times. The animation was really good and I loved that montage of Captain Carter beating up Nazi's too old timey music, that was all well and good. It just feel like it jumped around a lot. Like 3 or 4 scenes in and we already have Captain Carter fully suited up and her powers under control/mastered. I know they can't do a full length movie like the original First Avenger but it would have benefited from being around an hour long instead of around half an hour. This causes there to be awkward scenes like the final one where Peggy returns to the present after forcing the Tentacle Monster (I don't the name from the comics sorry) into the wormhole. The dialogue feels really clunky because they can't have a full length scene like the end of the original First Avenger but it makes it feel awkward and forced. I'm sure the series will get better but this premiere just didn't do it for me.
I felt so patriotic watching the Union Jack smash into Nazis.
Edit: The Union Flag according to Rose Tyler apparently
What If Writer 1: Ok so what should we have Bucky say here?
Writer 2: Fish
Writer 1: Genius!
I liked that the PC police didn't edit out Dum Dum Dugan's cigar like they do everyone else now. But the Howling Commandos seem to be just about as tough as super-soldiers cause they lept off that exploding train with no a single injury.
bro the real thing that's hurting my brain is wondering why hydra left steve lying on the ground right next to THS towards the end of the film.
holy hell, did anybody else NOT make the connection that this is the dr who nerd until the very end?
I have to agree with the comment about Bucky; his lines were weird. But as I remember, the What If comic this series is based on would do the same thing with a brief recap of how the original scenario played out. I think that was done because you never know where a person's jumping on point is with the comics or with the movies and television series. Yes, the established fans know these details, but the new fans or the prospective fans may not. I'm not saying that every issue or episode should include an origin story, but since the Captain American origin was at the center of the events that created the divergence between universes, I thought it made sense to include it.
i felt like when the narrator went "the timeline changed because peggy decided to stay in the test chamber" is to be honest wrong because even if peggy decided to stay in the testing chamber in the movie steve would had still become the super soldier. The spy changed it by blowing up the distraction detonation earlier than he does in the movie which allows him to shoot steve. It's still not explained why the spy decided to blow the explosives early because the whole point of him blowing them after the serum was used was to make sure the serum actually worked or that it wasn't a a decoy. Otherwise, he could've literally stolen the equivalent of cyanide or grape juice and wouldn't have known.
I have a feeling that this episode stuck close to the original plot line for a reason. I think we are going to get episodes that depart from the originals in a big way soon. This should help the audience understand that one change can have subtle effects or major effects on how things play out. I think Marvel is smart to start with a subtle episode first so they don’t confuse the non hard core audience.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one underwhelmed! But First Avenger is hard to work with/make interesting so they did as best a job as they could storywise I felt
Ok yes we fucking get it, people werent thrilled with pacing. But that ANIMATION.... Holy fuck. Top notch.
I think you entirelly missed the point of this episode. It's an introduction to the concept for the audience, explaining the singlular point of change was essent. Not only that, but having small changes creates an easy way to ease the audience into the changes. Obviously the other episodes will lean harder into the concept, but the forst episode can't go balls deep straight away
i found the dialoge to be really bad & the performances to be not great
I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with the narration complaint. This is how What If works. It’s basically showing what would happen if a single event happened different and what would be the aftermath. For people who haven’t watched the movie in a long time or are new to the franchise, it’s important to catch them up on events and show the point of diversion that lead to this. Imagine coming into this with no narration at all and are left to pick up the pieces are you go along. It would be confusing. Also, it’s important to use a familiar story that people have a familiarity with starting out before going into more original stories.
I really enjoyed the episode and think the animation is STUNNING but I just didn’t like how they played it a bit safe. Hopefully the rest of the episodes will be a bit more out there 🤓
I was pleasantly surprised with it, especially the realistic tanks and planes used
“Peggy is riding Steve’s hydra stomper” 🤣🤣🤣 Sorry I just had too
I enjoyed it and I liked that they started down this lovecraftian-pulp direction which felt like an interesting way to take her story but it was all a bit crammed in at the end there.