The beurocracy is either dumb or selfish, it's hard to say... I work with Isha, and some 2 years ago, when we went up the govt officials of Delhi, for helping them bringing down the air pollution levels, first they remained unavailable and they asked us, what are we gonna pay them! Similarly, when we wriiten a letter to different state's education department, demanding 1 agricultural college and research centre, possibly in the ration of 1 college :10 villages. That will help the farmers, as well as the students, to explore and experiment with new findings and technologies. Went upto them multiple times. they never cared about it. The govt and the beurocracy does not understand the requirements of research centres, in every possible fields, from artificial intelligence to agrobased sciences, modern medical studies to vedic science. We need to make sure, the central govt listens to this.
Namaste brother😊🙏. I also have converted to Hinduism after studying world religions. I found Hinduism 2 be the original and the most scientific. However I do truly enjoy Buddhism as well but to me Buddhism is just a branch or different path (dharma) of hinduism( sanatana). Also I recommend to everybody 2 master gurus, Sadhguru and Christian Prince. Christian Prince is an ARAB with an Islamic DEGREE and is completely exposing Islam as a cult. Om shanthi😊🙏 PROUD EX Iraqi Muslim
Congratulations on finding your spiritual path and for becoming a seeker and embodiment of dharma . Just out of curiosity , what all you are learning in Hinduism and what spiritual discipline interests you most ?
Yea it would be great if you people like you spread the word a bit. Its easy to vlog on youtube etc these days. Reason being that a lot of propaganda is spread against Hinduism and to give covering fire to Islamists these days. Its happening in the west, its happening in India, its happening everywhere. If Muslims or ex Muslims themselves expose the lies and the hypocrisy, the narrative DOES CHANGE and it becomes tougher for them to continue the lies and hypocrisy.
@@mamtas4320 I've been practicing for about a year now but I have always been spiritual you know. I go 2 the mandir every sunday and perform puja but on my personal time I like to read and watch many hindu things but my favorite things 2 do is meditate(dhyana) and chant mantras. Namaskar😊🙏
Mr. Mohandas pai is very articulate in his talks It is a pleasure to watch his sessions with rajiv ji Mohandas sir pointed out some crucial topics which the government of India should take into consideration for carrying out their missions If you watch this session with a clear sound mind you will realize the current state of turmoil that india is in as far as economics and culture is concerned We need educated and sensible people under the BJP to take care of external and internal affairs Modi Amit shah cannot do everything alone And yes i believe that hindi should not be enforced throughout india We are the citizens of bharat we should have respect for cultures of different state within india Lot of our young kids learn german, spanish and other languages but none of them are willing to learn different languages within India Learning other indian languages will unify all the regions of india as one because people will stop seeing each other as aliens
This is what I call a civilized debate and criticism of the government of India, we need these kind of people in MSM instead of lunatics shouting around
Best talk between two stalwarts of Sanathan Dharm, and I appreciate it. The whole talk between these honourable gentlemen is that government is not performing, and it is not even allowing institutions to develop at various levels, and there is no strategic thinking like different states are having and doing like in U.S.A. The whole problem is Indian government's Bureaucracy, which British left here to continue its own suppression and looting policies, which are unfortunately still being continued, on behalf of and in the name of government. Recently Honourable Chief Justice of Supreme Court referred that why Indian government is still continuing with, for ex. British created 'Sedition Law', still in India. But there is no proper answer from government. At present, everybody in India understands that government means not politicians but Bureaucracy, which is holding enormous powers of making (wrong) policies, not allowing military generals in even to participate on, and for 'strategic thinking platform's even. which is a sad state of affairs. Why don't Honourable Prime Minister think on the lines of dis-mantelling Bureaucracy and bring it down to 15% of present strength level, and in its place government can hire 'consultancies of experts' in different fields to suggest and write policies regarding their fields of expertise. One more point is that Hindu temples must be freed from the clutches of the government on the suggested lines of Sadhguru of Isha Foundation. Government has no business of running temples or religious institutions, and it doesn't come under its preview of operations. Hence it must get out of the temple business. Hope that government can (and must) learn to accept and follow the peoples honourable opinions for the betterment of the nation and adopt it. Thank you.
Brilliant and thought provoking discourse. Strategic planning is imperative. Pit falls have been well identified. Earnestly request the two great thinkers and Indologists to draw up a pragmatic perspective plan. Then PM Modi be asked to attend a presentation alongwith those who would ensure implementation. Yes Modi is leading almost single handedly. Thanks for the presentation
I was on a train in russia. Sprung up a conversation with the next russian passenger about something. He didnt know a single word of english and i didnt know russian. When i used google translate to translate to english .. i was amazed.. he was talking all kinds of technical and scientific terms.. but in his own language. Thats when i realised why countries like germany france russia, japan, china n so on developed so quickly. They all studied in their mother tongue. They have all kinds of infrastructure to translate world-class material to their language. Therefore more people get chance to unfold their genius. In india a student has to study a foreign language in order to get educated enough to be able to create or invent. This is what is keeping us behind. There we must quickly have 1 national language. And build all kinds of infrastructure for it. We must have our scientific research in our language.. publish journals in our own language. We must go with hindi because its closest to most languages like gujrati, bengali, urdu, punjabi, bihari, haryanvi, rajasthani n so on...
All states need to invest heavily in developing technical content in their languages. The center can come up with language policy to facilitate this process, perhaps a PPP (public-private parthership) model.
Either sanskrit or hindi.. 1 language for all of india to get educated in. Mother toungues can b spoken at home that is enough. We must have common ground to play where all indians can contribute so there is language barrier. Its much more cost effective and timely efficient and convenient. Let state language be for statewise history. All states must teach their own ancestral history. We indian lack big time in our own ancestral history as we have been deliberately kept away from it. Its time to recognise and re establish the glory of this land.
@@thingstodowithguru323 You speak YOUR mother tongue at home.. And let others do what is needed for them... You dont decide for others... You are thinking only about yourself..... Not others.... 😠😠😠😠😠
Excellent talk by Sri Mohandas Pai - Jai Sri ram I hope GOVTs listen to leaders like you & Mohandas Pai ji India has bright future Just one point , agree forcing Hind is not good, but we also need to agree Hindi was no different to the Sanskrit before Islam came to India and Sanskrit is soul of all our Indian scripts , hence we need to push /invest in Sanskrit as our future language of this Nation where all Tech & Law and Economy will work this help People to save their mother tongue and do business with Sanskrit/most scientific lng. China, France other non English countries adapted their mother tongue bcz they have one script/language to deal with. I can't imagine ISRO like orgs. or IT to come this long if we have all states pushed for their Language by converting Sci & Tech into its local lng.
Cultural ministry does send indian artist to perform in other countries across the world for cultural exchange. However they must do this interstate as well. This will build a stronger bond.
You people continue with your efforts to do the hard work for better India. There are hiccups and challenges but don't give up. Try to meet Modi and tell everything.
Very true 😇 We should make parallel pressure groups to force govt take valid economic decisions They are even not using Dr Subramaniam Swamiji to overcome this crisis 😠
In I.I.Sc.Bangaluru one Prof.used to explain difficult part of a lecture to a student in his mother tongue out side the Classroom (say Tamil,Telugu,Malayalam,Kannad and Hindi).His car had a number Plate bearing in Kannad and Hindi letters and numbers. He was in U.S.for fifteen years.His number plate was quite big.My classmate was his student. There were some school in Pune where Tamil,kannad Bangali Malayalam etc.are taught for five years. Students used to speak read and write,they were spending few days in families in different states say Bangal,Karnatak,Tamilnadu etc.
Would be nice to have Mohandas Pai back for a chat in light of the new education policy which does address some of cultural concerns of the southern states
BJP brought in a professional Subrahmanyam Jaishankar to MEA and the should do the same with academia, business, culture. Their own people are totally inadequate and we need to stop sleeping.
I don't see him(Jaishankar) effectively pushing India's interests. He failed miserably in countering Pakistani propaganda on Kashmir. He couldn't get any benefit from US-China trade war.
Very aptly described by both the original thinkers why it is important today to institutionalise the think tank group engaged in nation building work .
The BJP leadership, like that of the other parties, is engrossed in winning political hustles. The other parties do not have any national commitment, and they can pass off pseudos like Tharoor as intellectuals. They have control over the media and academia. So the low - brow cultural and intellectual commitment of the BJP is really unfortunate.
Bjp needs to create a legacy of like minded proactive leaders. If the top leaders invest more in creating or identifying such people, it will ease the burden on a Modi or Amit Shah.
Pmo is keeping power really centralized . I agree with it . Also, no major educational institutions have come up. Instead of fighting left based institutions like jnu , why not cultivate new ones?
Problem is with goverment office . They don't have enthusiasm because all negative minded people . If any1 doing something they will discourage that person . We need to creat awareness about Hinduism ancient scriptures among people . Over the period of time we will see change.
Good to see Pai change his views on language. Not long ago he and NR Narayan Murthy would deride native language education and always harp about English medium in their talks. Not sure NRN has changed. He still wants English speakers for labour arbitrage service sector jobs
That is why he is on the other side of the screen and you on this side. He is a master strategist. All are consultants standing on the sidelines and blaming the system after having milked them to their content.
I have heard this lament very frequently about Ministry of Culture, HRD, and other agencies not doing anything for dharmic issues, which is true to some extent. However, there are private organizations, as well as individuals, who are doing sterling work in this field. They need to be publicized and supported by all of us. Even regarding Government, they are forced to prioritize the policy issues and are changing the narrative in ways no one would have imagined in the last 70+ years. Sure I am not satisfied with the doings of Government, but I am happy for whatever they have been able to achieve thus far. Also, can Mr. Pai illustrate and elaborate how and where Government is imposing Hindi on southern states?
I am not an academician but even as a laymann it seems to me that we [our academicians, journalists etc] should maybe be critiquing things like the hypercapitalism of American companies or the Political system which creates very unfair environments for smaller guys, workers, creates effective monopolies (the ISPs and Networks have effective carved out their own fiefdoms for example), finds every loophole to avoid paying taxes and save every penny etc etc. Then there's America's behavior in different conflicts like Syria. Its also interesting how their inept their political system can be in dealing with or resolving problems. Like every month somebody is shooting up schools over there but every time it happens, the same old song and dance happens from both democrats and republicans and nothing changes... Same for China's problems but Instead... .... .... .....
Even if half of what Rajiv and Mohan have been articulating, Indians who take pride in their heritage would be concerned. But to be fair to Modi and his Government, it has inherited 70 years of lost opportunities by the Congress and the Nehru dynasty and has a lot of catching up to do bring India to 21st century with limited tax base and revenue. The big business and the civil society have to assume the initiatives
Except few most of the Indians least interested to learn, upkeep and cherish History, artifacts, tradition and has least respect for Civilisational aspects. All they want quick way to earn money, enjoy, entertain. Bollywood, kollywood all woods is their life 😀
I think the points made here are spot on. While Modi (and his cohorts) are good and focused on improving the country's lot, I don't see deep strategic thinking capability. Most thinking is tactical. By Strategic thinking, I mean thinking 50 to 100 years ahead and reimagining the Nation and it's place in the Comity of Nations of this world, working backwards from there. It also includes defining and tuning our grand narrative (which you are doing via the Infinity Foundation). Sorry, but what you are doing is not enough simply because you are operating in a vacuum. The definition and building of the Grand Narrative should go hand in hand with defining where we will be and everyone (in power) should have a hand in tuning / aligning it. We do need to build institutions who have this capability. Infiinity Foundation is one such institution but we need others too... More power to you and respects.
Sad to here from Mohan dass ji that he too saying bjp is pushing hindi🤔 where they pushed..? They asking local language for local communication and a national language for to communicate with other state people, even they said /asked to learn any language of indian states ( Hindi an option only) and they requested Hindi speaking states to learn South Indian languages like Tamil,Malayalam,Kannada etc... Here in tamilnadu we are not allowed n prevented and not provided a language to learn to communicate with other states of India, this is Dravidian politics,if these people know Hindi then Dravidian lie politics never work here, now you see because of the language barrier tamilnadu people are made to believe pm Modi a thief and these Dravidian polition stalin become a hero. For the national integration one national language should be there for all, Rajiv ji and Mohandas ji please understand this🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👌💐🇮🇳
Don't call hindi national language we already have 23 national languages Pls understand that for south Indians their language is very dear to their hearts Haryanvis punjabis bhojpuris etc declared hindi as theirmother tongue and don't mind using hindi in place of their mother tongue even gujratis and Marathis have this tendency But for the four southern states they never want to replace any language in place of their respective mother tongue Certainly not hindi The pragmatic south knows that english will be need for both link purposes in india and abroad and for getting tech medical and scientific inputs easily from west English is the link language in reality in india and north can halt its attempts to make hindi take that place South knows that north will exploit them.even more and reduce them to second class citizens if south goes in for hindi abandoning their mother tongue and English South will lose much much more than it gains if hindi is accepted fully by them Nationalism bharathyata sanatna dharma etc can be protected by more empowerment of their own languages like kannada Tamil telugu Malayalam.even Tulu kodava etc
Before most successful person in any field whether education or social or science or business were made V.C.in universities but today it has become political appointments.
Bjp government has worked on all non-intellectual and non-strategic aspects of hindu politics. Either they fail to see the need for strategic and intellectual aspect or they don't have intellectual rigor to pursue this.
I agree with what is being discussed here. I feel it’s not fair to blame the govt alone. I think the people who have those jobs too are at fault museum workers, foreign delegates and so on. Like the part where the organizers go shopping instead of attending the meeting. Wrong on so many levels. People need to have a better, honest work culture. They should be held to high standards and challenged. If they don’t deliver they should face the penalty. I think a lot of the “mistakes’ ones forgiven which is just wrong
BJP needs to expand into the south asap and in Jharkhand/Orissa that have traditionally not been BJP. There should be redundancy in Indian system so failure of one institution shouldn’t dismantle and destroy entire systems.
The discussion started good but got wayward pretty soon.. Mohandas Pai you guys are good at lecturing but do nowthing beyond that.. what have you done to enrich your Kannada culture or to spread it.. You guys want everything to be done by the central government.. try telling your state government.. You couldn't run your company properly but you are lecturing the central government..
@@vijayrk7329 I am not touchy about Hindi.. the fact is Kannada language and culture is threatened by other south Indian languages and culture... look at the movies.. compared to other regional movie industries, Kannada movies are considered inferior.. Tamil, Telugu and Malayalam movies are considered far superior.. they have good markets in Karnataka.. Bangalore has only 30% Kannada people, whereas Tamil, Telugu people constitute the majority of the rest 70% population..
All over India, Sanskrit was the language for all areas of scholarship. It is the most evolved Indian language. It should have replaced English as the common language.
Modiji wants "Yes men" and "shoe licker" type of subordinates around him. However a wise man will have people who give dissenting opinions. As a result 90% of the ministers are "Yes men" type of subordinates, but superbly incompetent and dumb. The only thing they do is to priase modi in every opportunity. Their job is done.
... maybe "nepal" will get all the Nobel prizes from now on... ..as far as India is concerned there is very less funding for "r&d" ..most of the budget goes to defence - military..which is what all countries of the world do..
Industry still has a hangover of the congress party fearing that congress may come back. And remember congress can and will blackmail industrialists if they try to spread their wings without their approval and blessings (blessings in return for bribes ). 70 years of bribes and blackmailing culture leaves its mark on every ordinary citizen including Pai. The non BJP govts in Rajastan, MP, and recently Maharashtra has confused the industrialists even more. That's why Pai is at times guarded when criticising the congress party but ventures to criticise BJP lavishly . Thats also because he are not the beneficiary of bribes given to BJP .
Also the system of Education in India... didn't adopt the Liberal Arts system from the West. Liberal Arts for an average Indian means "Arts". It's not. Kids majoring in Computer Science have to gather credits in history Economics etc.
Guys the speakers here are only bringing up what they are feeling. We have to agree that not all the ministers in Modi government are go getters. But speakers are also expecting too much at the very short amount of time. There is 70 years of rot in the government and they are cleaning it but happening slow then what we are expecting.
BJP is best possible option to govern India centrally. But they have to do a lot lot better in governance. Basics like health, education, employment, infrastructure, agricultural reforms needs to taken care , later we can go for subtle aspects. Modiji is the best person to lead us , but as Pai said , modiji has to invest in Institutions building at a much faster pace , so that the think tank can be richer in wisdom ,diversified ,creative and efficient. What our country really needs is Efficiency in all aspects of life, we can learn from best like Japan, Finland, Norway and Denmark . I am sure , we can do much much better than current rate and acceleration can only be achieved with proper institutional tools .
Govt Babus doesn't want to work because they are lazy, looking their own bank balance & family wealth. We have to cut thousands of laws, free govt from running PSU/businesses and focus on institution build up.
I think that the problem here is something I see in other places... Unfortunately, while people here identifying problems (which I think may be very relevant and true), nobody has ever come up with any rational possible solutions... You are saying that govts.should invest in regional languages... unfortunately no govt is going to do that because it takes up a lot of money and is not very vote catching... so what do we do for that then? In this world, everyone says something should be done, but everyone also says that everyone other than me should be doing that
Medium language must be sanskrit in area covered by ancient bharat barsha , pushing minorities r the duties of west to make English as medium language.. Sanskrit is only the highly advanced language ever known... Nepal is till now using bikram sambat hindu calender but west r funding to kirat sambat n other minorities group calendar to bring such situation to use christian ad calender ...
It’s always easy to do side line talk and advise from outside! No I’m not saying these two individuals are wrong or their advise does not matter, BUT their expectations of anything is based on their perceptions and knowledge of how system is and how it should work ! I think the issue is simple - India had never such BIG hopes - and with total freedom of expression guaranteed EVERYONE is putting to govt what they think is right Most if not all suggestions and based on what can be done long term and so on... BUT none of these people who suggest have political sword of Damocles on their head! We need to know that government is being headed by people who are good listeners and pick up their goals based on various reason and then deliver it perfectly To Rajivji specifically- for you to say this govt is down and this one is up and they guy is up etc does not work because delivery matters, it’s wrong to assume this approach in politics because for BJP to do any things it has to be continually in power and in multiparty democracy it’s not easy - this is not America Once they are in power other equations comes in ... Both sirs, I can assure you will see spectacular results in this Modi term - and even your suggestion may be included - what I don’t like suggestions of ways of improving government you don’t have any standing because you never run any governments and any political party.... for this reason only India is different!!!
Now the world has to learn actual Indian culture from tribal people,if we don't stop the industrial culture,nature will respond with heavy destruction,a economy with pre- Islamic period.
Rajiv ji, I hear a lot about problems of India and complaints that the solutions you intellectuals offer are not taken. You know but seem to have lost this in the mist, the lawmakers in Parliaments, State assemblies, city and village councils are all meant to make laws within their domain. But everyone is interested in becoming a neta in their sphere and then become famous. With that fame comes respect and then money. That’s not why lawmakers are there right. Just imagine a archaic country 250 years ago made laws for the whole world and how much thought could such a small bunch of people have got?? They might have got their perks, and certainly made laws to benefit them alone, but that Britain ruled the world because it was the first institution which did their job as it was meant to be. Making laws and creating organisations. Our parliamentary democracy is incapable of producing the right people for the right job. The malice lies in our corrupted society, our misleading ego nurtured by the leaders we flock to and our romanticised idealism which would not let us see the reality. Why blame the people in power?? Modi is doing his job. He is in his chair because he has to carry forward his baggage which is elected by laws he did not create nor can he change. And what a splendid job he is doing. There is a solution I think can work. Why can’t these million intellectuals create a parallel institution like Chanakya created in Takshashila. Challenge the government for efficiency and provocate the elected people to compete against them?? You and Mohandas Pai ji are doing that. But then you both tend to believe you are doing this in isolation and not take it beyond your limits. What a failure of our fine society in this age?? Too divided and too aloof each of us.... uttishta Bharata
Worst discussion . The Hindus in this country are under great threat . And Pai is taking about regionalism , language wars etc. He is far away from the ground reality. Pai Spoke like a social elite . Very negative mindset! Hindus need to come out of this development nonsense because here the enemies have stepped in to slit our throats !!
Sorry to say but i don't agree with the rigmarole of Mohandas Pai about developmental politics etc. Hindus are the not the sole contractors and labourers of India because all this development is going to be looted by the jihadis ! The main focus of the Hindus should be to shun secularism ! Hindu rashtra with a Hindu way of policies not all this secular nonsense! Hindus are too much involved in this money making business ! And Jihadis and missionaries are busy focusing upon their religion!!
Nothing wrong in criticism, it;s impossible to do many things we want to do in Indian bureaucracy. It's moronic to think that after 60 years of leftist rule things will change overnight. Most of MPs has no vision irrespective BJP/COngress and doesn't want to get expert on board who can take over their pride. Govt babus have expertise how to keep the file on their table, create road block, they r busy in their personal wealth creation unlike western countries. Even if you visit SBI bank no one care, all are govt employee. I went to add name in locker and was told to come tomorrow as locker guy is absent. No where in developed country you would hear such nonsense , all bank employee should know all part of general bank operation activities. Govt needs to cut rules & regulation massively, get out of running businesses and focus on administration of institution. Even if central institution improve state govt babus will create road block.
Ohhhhh. A sad old jobless has-been trying to create employment for himself by bad mouthing the government. Go mind your bpo, pai, leave administration of the nation to BJP
Modi wants all states to lead India, Congress wants Delhi to lead India, congress is divided wat to do Co ngress i divided in 2 - One is Congress Corporate Congress backed by liberals,and Indian National Congress backed by Congress Seva Dal.
BJP needs to listen to people like Rajiv ji and Mohan das ji asap
Forget about Rajivji, at least they should listen to Swamiji to avoid the economic crash.
@Saintly Soul it's because of Farsi arbi mixed Hindi pure Hindi is close to s Indian and North East Indian languages I'm from ne india
Modi wants only Chemchas not intelligents like Dr Subramanyam swamy, Rajiv Malhotra etc...
Rajivji is just old journalist not think-tank
The beurocracy is either dumb or selfish, it's hard to say...
I work with Isha, and some 2 years ago, when we went up the govt officials of Delhi, for helping them bringing down the air pollution levels, first they remained unavailable and they asked us, what are we gonna pay them!
Similarly, when we wriiten a letter to different state's education department, demanding 1 agricultural college and research centre, possibly in the ration of 1 college :10 villages. That will help the farmers, as well as the students, to explore and experiment with new findings and technologies. Went upto them multiple times. they never cared about it.
The govt and the beurocracy does not understand the requirements of research centres, in every possible fields, from artificial intelligence to agrobased sciences, modern medical studies to vedic science.
We need to make sure, the central govt listens to this.
Namaste brother😊🙏. I also have converted to Hinduism after studying world religions. I found Hinduism 2 be the original and the most scientific. However I do truly enjoy Buddhism as well but to me Buddhism is just a branch or different path (dharma) of hinduism( sanatana). Also I recommend to everybody 2 master gurus, Sadhguru and Christian Prince. Christian Prince is an ARAB with an Islamic DEGREE and is completely exposing Islam as a cult. Om shanthi😊🙏
PROUD EX Iraqi Muslim
Congratulations on finding your spiritual path and for becoming a seeker and embodiment of dharma .
Just out of curiosity , what all you are learning in Hinduism and what spiritual discipline interests you most ?
Yea it would be great if you people like you spread the word a bit. Its easy to vlog on youtube etc these days. Reason being that a lot of propaganda is spread against Hinduism and to give covering fire to Islamists these days. Its happening in the west, its happening in India, its happening everywhere. If Muslims or ex Muslims themselves expose the lies and the hypocrisy, the narrative DOES CHANGE and it becomes tougher for them to continue the lies and hypocrisy.
Mebb86 welcome brother
Really, welcome brother 😊
@@mamtas4320 I've been practicing for about a year now but I have always been spiritual you know. I go 2 the mandir every sunday and perform puja but on my personal time I like to read and watch many hindu things but my favorite things 2 do is meditate(dhyana) and chant mantras. Namaskar😊🙏
Mr. Mohandas pai is very articulate in his talks
It is a pleasure to watch his sessions with rajiv ji
Mohandas sir pointed out some crucial topics which the government of India should take into consideration for carrying out their missions
If you watch this session with a clear sound mind you will realize the current state of turmoil that india is in as far as economics and culture is concerned
We need educated and sensible people under the BJP to take care of external and internal affairs
Modi Amit shah cannot do everything alone
And yes i believe that hindi should not be enforced throughout india
We are the citizens of bharat we should have respect for cultures of different state within india
Lot of our young kids learn german, spanish and other languages but none of them are willing to learn different languages within India
Learning other indian languages will unify all the regions of india as one because people will stop seeing each other as aliens
Great thoughts !! Thank you Rajiv sir for your nice efforts !
Hindu Dharma ki jai ho !!!
Majhab aur deen ka naash ho !!!!
Abrahmism ka naash ho !!!!
10:50 onwards is what Modi and RSS should carefully listen to. It is really necessary for a prosperous India.
This is what I call a civilized debate and criticism of the government of India, we need these kind of people in MSM instead of lunatics shouting around
Best talk between two stalwarts of Sanathan Dharm, and I appreciate it. The whole talk between these honourable gentlemen is that government is not performing, and it is not even allowing institutions to develop at various levels, and there is no strategic thinking like different states are having and doing like in U.S.A. The whole problem is Indian government's Bureaucracy, which British left here to continue its own suppression and looting policies, which are unfortunately still being continued, on behalf of and in the name of government. Recently Honourable Chief Justice of Supreme Court referred that why Indian government is still continuing with, for ex. British created 'Sedition Law', still in India. But there is no proper answer from government.
At present, everybody in India understands that government means not politicians but Bureaucracy, which is holding enormous powers of making (wrong) policies, not allowing military generals in even to participate on, and for 'strategic thinking platform's even. which is a sad state of affairs.
Why don't Honourable Prime Minister think on the lines of dis-mantelling Bureaucracy and bring it down to 15% of present strength level, and in its place government can hire 'consultancies of experts' in different fields to suggest and write policies regarding their fields of expertise. One more point is that Hindu temples must be freed from the clutches of the government on the suggested lines of Sadhguru of Isha Foundation. Government has no business of running temples or religious institutions, and it doesn't come under its preview of operations. Hence it must get out of the temple business. Hope that government can (and must) learn to accept and follow the peoples honourable opinions for the betterment of the nation and adopt it. Thank you.
Brilliant and thought provoking discourse. Strategic planning is imperative. Pit falls have been well identified. Earnestly request the two great thinkers and Indologists to draw up a pragmatic perspective plan. Then PM Modi be asked to attend a presentation alongwith those who would ensure implementation.
Yes Modi is leading almost single handedly. Thanks for the presentation
I was on a train in russia. Sprung up a conversation with the next russian passenger about something. He didnt know a single word of english and i didnt know russian. When i used google translate to translate to english .. i was amazed.. he was talking all kinds of technical and scientific terms.. but in his own language. Thats when i realised why countries like germany france russia, japan, china n so on developed so quickly. They all studied in their mother tongue. They have all kinds of infrastructure to translate world-class material to their language. Therefore more people get chance to unfold their genius. In india a student has to study a foreign language in order to get educated enough to be able to create or invent. This is what is keeping us behind. There we must quickly have 1 national language. And build all kinds of infrastructure for it. We must have our scientific research in our language.. publish journals in our own language. We must go with hindi because its closest to most languages like gujrati, bengali, urdu, punjabi, bihari, haryanvi, rajasthani n so on...
no sanskrit
All states need to invest heavily in developing technical content in their languages. The center can come up with language policy to facilitate this process, perhaps a PPP (public-private parthership) model.
Either sanskrit or hindi.. 1 language for all of india to get educated in. Mother toungues can b spoken at home that is enough. We must have common ground to play where all indians can contribute so there is language barrier. Its much more cost effective and timely efficient and convenient. Let state language be for statewise history. All states must teach their own ancestral history. We indian lack big time in our own ancestral history as we have been deliberately kept away from it. Its time to recognise and re establish the glory of this land.
@@thingstodowithguru323
You speak YOUR mother tongue at home.. And let others do what is needed for them... You dont decide for others... You are thinking only about yourself..... Not others.... 😠😠😠😠😠
I resonate the same like Rajiv sir . Vietnam , Singapore , South Korea all are reaping benefit of US-China trade war .
Excellent talk by Sri Mohandas Pai - Jai Sri ram
I hope GOVTs listen to leaders like you & Mohandas Pai ji India has bright future
Just one point , agree forcing Hind is not good, but we also need to agree Hindi was no different to the Sanskrit before Islam came to India and Sanskrit is soul of all our Indian scripts , hence we need to push /invest in Sanskrit as our future language of this Nation where all Tech & Law and Economy will work
this help People to save their mother tongue and do business with Sanskrit/most scientific lng.
China, France other non English countries adapted their mother tongue bcz they have one script/language to deal with.
I can't imagine ISRO like orgs. or IT to come this long if we have all states pushed for their Language by converting Sci & Tech into its local lng.
We all have to take initiative in own capacity for nations betterment
Cultural ministry does send indian artist to perform in other countries across the world for cultural exchange. However they must do this interstate as well. This will build a stronger bond.
Excellent Pai ,Sir
You people continue with your efforts to do the hard work for better India. There are hiccups and challenges but don't give up. Try to meet Modi and tell everything.
Every ministry should have a goal....! Mohan Dasji and Rajiv ji, please supply the idea to the poor government peoples!
Very true 😇
We should make parallel pressure groups to force govt take valid economic decisions
They are even not using Dr Subramaniam Swamiji to overcome this crisis 😠
Sir u will be marked in Indian history as a jewel sir for what u r doing and inspiring youth of India om namah shivaya
We always blame the government and waste our time, it's time we as individuals change things!!!
In I.I.Sc.Bangaluru one Prof.used to explain difficult part of a lecture to a student in his mother tongue out side the Classroom (say Tamil,Telugu,Malayalam,Kannad and Hindi).His car had a number Plate bearing in Kannad and Hindi letters and numbers. He was in U.S.for fifteen years.His number plate was quite big.My classmate was his student. There were some school in Pune where Tamil,kannad Bangali Malayalam etc.are taught for five years. Students used to speak read and write,they were spending few days in families in different states say Bangal,Karnatak,Tamilnadu etc.
Would be nice to have Mohandas Pai back for a chat in light of the new education policy which does address some of cultural concerns of the southern states
BJP brought in a professional Subrahmanyam Jaishankar to MEA and the should do the same with academia, business, culture. Their own people are totally inadequate and we need to stop sleeping.
I don't see him(Jaishankar) effectively pushing India's interests. He failed miserably in countering Pakistani propaganda on Kashmir. He couldn't get any benefit from US-China trade war.
You are right...let us apply.implenent
Let us come out of compartments...culture history ..tourism ...folk lore ..traditional knowledge are interconnected
Very aptly described by both the original thinkers why it is important today to institutionalise the think tank group engaged in nation building work .
The BJP leadership, like that of the other parties, is engrossed in winning political hustles. The other parties do not have any national commitment, and they can pass off pseudos like Tharoor as intellectuals. They have control over the media and academia. So the low - brow cultural and intellectual commitment of the BJP is really unfortunate.
Keep it up 🙏🕉 Respect 🇮🇳
Thanks for making this short
sir plz make our country no 1......make people aware of our culture
Modi is a great leader but we need more ppl like him in his government,can’t be a one man show it’s really not working .
good
One man .
.soooo many expectations....
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Valid criticism. Hope governments take it positivle and act.
As said in the talk, these changes are time consuming.
Bjp needs to create a legacy of like minded proactive leaders. If the top leaders invest more in creating or identifying such people, it will ease the burden on a Modi or Amit Shah.
Respected Pradhan Mantriji, pl listen to this dialogue !
Good one 👍👍👍
Pmo is keeping power really centralized . I agree with it . Also, no major educational institutions have come up. Instead of fighting left based institutions like jnu , why not cultivate new ones?
Yes because most of the ministers are incompetent.
Problem is with goverment office . They don't have enthusiasm because all negative minded people .
If any1 doing something they will discourage that person . We need to creat awareness about Hinduism ancient scriptures among people . Over the period of time we will see change.
Create business....not business man..many are greedy..so create business man also who follow ur order....
Good to see Pai change his views on language. Not long ago he and NR Narayan Murthy would deride native language education and always harp about English medium in their talks. Not sure NRN has changed. He still wants English speakers for labour arbitrage service sector jobs
That is why he is on the other side of the screen and you on this side. He is a master strategist. All are consultants standing on the sidelines and blaming the system after having milked them to their content.
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I have heard this lament very frequently about Ministry of Culture, HRD, and other agencies not doing anything for dharmic issues, which is true to some extent. However, there are private organizations, as well as individuals, who are doing sterling work in this field. They need to be publicized and supported by all of us. Even regarding Government, they are forced to prioritize the policy issues and are changing the narrative in ways no one would have imagined in the last 70+ years. Sure I am not satisfied with the doings of Government, but I am happy for whatever they have been able to achieve thus far. Also, can Mr. Pai illustrate and elaborate how and where Government is imposing Hindi on southern states?
Ministers don't see themselves as go getters
I am not an academician but even as a laymann it seems to me that we [our academicians, journalists etc] should maybe be critiquing things like the hypercapitalism of American companies or the Political system which creates very unfair environments for smaller guys, workers, creates effective monopolies (the ISPs and Networks have effective carved out their own fiefdoms for example), finds every loophole to avoid paying taxes and save every penny etc etc.
Then there's America's behavior in different conflicts like Syria. Its also interesting how their inept their political system can be in dealing with or resolving problems. Like every month somebody is shooting up schools over there but every time it happens, the same old song and dance happens from both democrats and republicans and nothing changes... Same for China's problems but Instead... .... .... .....
Truth hurts a lot
Sir what is the solution?
Even if half of what Rajiv and Mohan have been articulating, Indians who take pride in their heritage would be concerned. But to be fair to Modi and his Government, it has inherited 70 years of lost opportunities by the Congress and the Nehru dynasty and has a lot of catching up to do bring India to 21st century with limited tax base and revenue. The big business and the civil society have to assume the initiatives
Except few most of the Indians least interested to learn, upkeep and cherish History, artifacts, tradition and has least respect for Civilisational aspects.
All they want quick way to earn money, enjoy, entertain. Bollywood, kollywood all woods is their life 😀
So what shld be our national language, if not Hindi... Mr. Pai?
India don't have any national language...
I think the points made here are spot on.
While Modi (and his cohorts) are good and focused on improving the country's lot, I don't see deep strategic thinking capability. Most thinking is tactical. By Strategic thinking, I mean thinking 50 to 100 years ahead and reimagining the Nation and it's place in the Comity of Nations of this world, working backwards from there. It also includes defining and tuning our grand narrative (which you are doing via the Infinity Foundation). Sorry, but what you are doing is not enough simply because you are operating in a vacuum. The definition and building of the Grand Narrative should go hand in hand with defining where we will be and everyone (in power) should have a hand in tuning / aligning it.
We do need to build institutions who have this capability. Infiinity Foundation is one such institution but we need others too...
More power to you and respects.
Sad to here from Mohan dass ji that he too saying bjp is pushing hindi🤔 where they pushed..? They asking local language for local communication and a national language for to communicate with other state people, even they said /asked to learn any language of indian states ( Hindi an option only) and they requested Hindi speaking states to learn South Indian languages like Tamil,Malayalam,Kannada etc...
Here in tamilnadu we are not allowed n prevented and not provided a language to learn to communicate with other states of India, this is Dravidian politics,if these people know Hindi then Dravidian lie politics never work here, now you see because of the language barrier tamilnadu people are made to believe pm Modi a thief and these Dravidian polition stalin become a hero. For the national integration one national language should be there for all, Rajiv ji and Mohandas ji please understand this🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👌💐🇮🇳
Well said,a total misunderstanding by South regard Hindi.
Don't call hindi national language we already have 23 national languages
Pls understand that for south Indians their language is very dear to their hearts Haryanvis punjabis bhojpuris etc declared hindi as theirmother tongue and don't mind using hindi in place of their mother tongue even gujratis and Marathis have this tendency
But for the four southern states they never want to replace any language in place of their respective mother tongue Certainly not hindi The pragmatic south knows that english will be need for both link purposes in india and abroad and for getting tech medical and scientific inputs easily from west
English is the link language in reality in india and north can halt its attempts to make hindi take that place
South knows that north will exploit them.even more and reduce them to second class citizens if south goes in for hindi abandoning their mother tongue and English
South will lose much much more than it gains if hindi is accepted fully by them
Nationalism bharathyata sanatna dharma etc can be protected by more empowerment of their own languages like kannada Tamil telugu Malayalam.even Tulu kodava etc
If south indians come to north india, we will learn Hindi
What about Nityanada's Kialaasa country?
Suggest more such presentation. If possible Govt representatives (selected) should also be there to interact.
Rajivji ... i would like to be associated with yr foundation in form of research
infinityfoundation.com/contact-us/
Before most successful person in any field whether education or social or science or business were made V.C.in universities but today it has become political appointments.
Bjp government has worked on all non-intellectual and non-strategic aspects of hindu politics. Either they fail to see the need for strategic and intellectual aspect or they don't have intellectual rigor to pursue this.
I agree with what is being discussed here. I feel it’s not fair to blame the govt alone. I think the people who have those jobs too are at fault museum workers, foreign delegates and so on. Like the part where the organizers go shopping instead of attending the meeting. Wrong on so many levels. People need to have a better, honest work culture. They should be held to high standards and challenged. If they don’t deliver they should face the penalty. I think a lot of the “mistakes’ ones forgiven which is just wrong
BJP needs to expand into the south asap and in Jharkhand/Orissa that have traditionally not been BJP.
There should be redundancy in Indian system so failure of one institution shouldn’t dismantle and destroy entire systems.
The discussion started good but got wayward pretty soon.. Mohandas Pai you guys are good at lecturing but do nowthing beyond that.. what have you done to enrich your Kannada culture or to spread it..
You guys want everything to be done by the central government.. try telling your state government.. You couldn't run your company properly but you are lecturing the central government..
Government has absolute power and full support of majority.
Why do hindiwallahs get so touchy when pointed out how their language is being used for neo imperialism
@@vijayrk7329 I am not touchy about Hindi.. the fact is Kannada language and culture is threatened by other south Indian languages and culture... look at the movies.. compared to other regional movie industries, Kannada movies are considered inferior.. Tamil, Telugu and Malayalam movies are considered far superior.. they have good markets in Karnataka.. Bangalore has only 30% Kannada people, whereas Tamil, Telugu people constitute the majority of the rest 70% population..
Every state should promote their own language.
All over India, Sanskrit was the language for all areas of scholarship. It is the most evolved Indian language. It should have replaced English as the common language.
Who will bell the cat ..why not finance ministry as a group..( all. these apply their mind and finance ministry implements )
Modiji wants "Yes men" and "shoe licker" type of subordinates around him. However a wise man will have people who give dissenting opinions.
As a result 90% of the ministers are "Yes men" type of subordinates, but superbly incompetent and dumb. The only thing they do is to priase modi in every opportunity. Their job is done.
200% correct
Dr Swamy is ignored because he don't do chemchagiri to MODI
....so basically it's congress 2.0..
Why it is hard to get novel prize by indian n chinese, having the highest no. of population ...
Getting nobel doesn't mean crap.
Nobel is a tool of west, it's not a measure of innovation, stop indulging in your naivety.
... maybe "nepal" will get all the Nobel prizes from now on...
..as far as India is concerned there is very less funding for "r&d" ..most of the budget goes to defence - military..which is what all countries of the world do..
Industry still has a hangover of the congress party fearing that congress may come back. And remember congress can and will blackmail industrialists if they try to spread their wings without their approval and blessings (blessings in return for bribes ). 70 years of bribes and blackmailing culture leaves its mark on every ordinary citizen including Pai. The non BJP govts in Rajastan, MP, and recently Maharashtra has confused the industrialists even more. That's why Pai is at times guarded when criticising the congress party but ventures to criticise BJP lavishly . Thats also because he are not the beneficiary of bribes given to BJP .
Hope govt listens to this, may be part of the problem is too much power with PMO
PMO only listens to Modi Chemchas
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We have less diplomats then Singapore.😱😱😱😱There is a no translation bureau in India.
This.
Also the system of Education in India... didn't adopt the Liberal Arts system from the West. Liberal Arts for an average Indian means "Arts". It's not. Kids majoring in Computer Science have to gather credits in history Economics etc.
water is the biggest issue
Stuck up in comfort zone
Guys the speakers here are only bringing up what they are feeling. We have to agree that not all the ministers in Modi government are go getters. But speakers are also expecting too much at the very short amount of time. There is 70 years of rot in the government and they are cleaning it but happening slow then what we are expecting.
I see lot of contradiction here. Did RM not said that weeding is required before planting new bushes? At resent weeding is in progress.
Weeding doesn't need 6+ years
BJP is best possible option to govern India centrally. But they have to do a lot lot better in governance. Basics like health, education, employment, infrastructure, agricultural reforms needs to taken care , later we can go for subtle aspects. Modiji is the best person to lead us , but as Pai said , modiji has to invest in Institutions building at a much faster pace , so that the think tank can be richer in wisdom ,diversified ,creative and efficient.
What our country really needs is Efficiency in all aspects of life, we can learn from best like Japan, Finland, Norway and Denmark . I am sure , we can do much much better than current rate and acceleration can only be achieved with proper institutional tools .
Govt Babus doesn't want to work because they are lazy, looking their own bank balance & family wealth. We have to cut thousands of laws, free govt from running PSU/businesses and focus on institution build up.
I think that the problem here is something I see in other places... Unfortunately, while people here identifying problems (which I think may be very relevant and true), nobody has ever come up with any rational possible solutions... You are saying that govts.should invest in regional languages... unfortunately no govt is going to do that because it takes up a lot of money and is not very vote catching... so what do we do for that then?
In this world, everyone says something should be done, but everyone also says that everyone other than me should be doing that
Medium language must be sanskrit in area covered by ancient bharat barsha , pushing minorities r the duties of west to make English as medium language.. Sanskrit is only the highly advanced language ever known...
Nepal is till now using bikram sambat hindu calender but west r funding to kirat sambat n other minorities group calendar to bring such situation to use christian ad calender ...
It’s always easy to do side line talk and advise from outside! No I’m not saying these two individuals are wrong or their advise does not matter, BUT their expectations of anything is based on their perceptions and knowledge of how system is and how it should work !
I think the issue is simple - India had never such BIG hopes - and with total freedom of expression guaranteed EVERYONE is putting to govt what they think is right
Most if not all suggestions and based on what can be done long term and so on... BUT none of these people who suggest have political sword of Damocles on their head!
We need to know that government is being headed by people who are good listeners and pick up their goals based on various reason and then deliver it perfectly
To Rajivji specifically- for you to say this govt is down and this one is up and they guy is up etc does not work because delivery matters, it’s wrong to assume this approach in politics because for BJP to do any things it has to be continually in power and in multiparty democracy it’s not easy - this is not America
Once they are in power other equations comes in ...
Both sirs, I can assure you will see spectacular results in this Modi term - and even your suggestion may be included - what I don’t like suggestions of ways of improving government you don’t have any standing because you never run any governments and any political party.... for this reason only India is different!!!
Bjp should protect and pushing culture of dharma,
What has happened to his eyebrow 🙏
Rajiv ji, you look all shriveled up! :( Please take good care of yourself. Pranaam!
Why don’t you guys inform these stuff to Mr. Modi ...
Now the world has to learn actual Indian culture from tribal people,if we don't stop the industrial culture,nature will respond with heavy destruction,a economy with pre- Islamic period.
Stop lying Mohandas Pai, no one is imposing or pushing Hindi
@Saintly Soul ....yep.. ultimately remove all diversity in the name of nationalism..
They don't have experience to manage...
Rajiv ji, I hear a lot about problems of India and complaints that the solutions you intellectuals offer are not taken. You know but seem to have lost this in the mist, the lawmakers in Parliaments, State assemblies, city and village councils are all meant to make laws within their domain. But everyone is interested in becoming a neta in their sphere and then become famous. With that fame comes respect and then money. That’s not why lawmakers are there right. Just imagine a archaic country 250 years ago made laws for the whole world and how much thought could such a small bunch of people have got?? They might have got their perks, and certainly made laws to benefit them alone, but that Britain ruled the world because it was the first institution which did their job as it was meant to be. Making laws and creating organisations. Our parliamentary democracy is incapable of producing the right people for the right job. The malice lies in our corrupted society, our misleading ego nurtured by the leaders we flock to and our romanticised idealism which would not let us see the reality. Why blame the people in power?? Modi is doing his job. He is in his chair because he has to carry forward his baggage which is elected by laws he did not create nor can he change. And what a splendid job he is doing.
There is a solution I think can work. Why can’t these million intellectuals create a parallel institution like Chanakya created in Takshashila. Challenge the government for efficiency and provocate the elected people to compete against them?? You and Mohandas Pai ji are doing that. But then you both tend to believe you are doing this in isolation and not take it beyond your limits. What a failure of our fine society in this age?? Too divided and too aloof each of us.... uttishta Bharata
I don't understand #HindiPhobia that's plaguing Mr pai. Get out of sophisticated cocoon u r in Mr !
Worst discussion . The Hindus in this country are under great threat . And Pai is taking about regionalism , language wars etc.
He is far away from the ground reality. Pai
Spoke like a social elite . Very negative mindset!
Hindus need to come out of this development nonsense because here the enemies have stepped in to slit our throats !!
Sorry to say but i don't agree with the rigmarole of Mohandas Pai about developmental politics etc.
Hindus are the not the sole contractors and labourers of India because all this development is going to be looted by the jihadis !
The main focus of the Hindus should be to shun secularism !
Hindu rashtra with a Hindu way of policies not all this secular nonsense!
Hindus are too much involved in this money making business !
And Jihadis and missionaries are busy focusing upon their religion!!
So long as BJP thinks and confidence that religion and nationalism sentiments can bring power they wont do anything.
Very poor skills and cohesiveness
Mr Mohandas pai reform your own college then talk about the other things.
Nothing wrong in criticism, it;s impossible to do many things we want to do in Indian bureaucracy. It's moronic to think that after 60 years of leftist rule things will change overnight. Most of MPs has no vision irrespective BJP/COngress and doesn't want to get expert on board who can take over their pride. Govt babus have expertise how to keep the file on their table, create road block, they r busy in their personal wealth creation unlike western countries. Even if you visit SBI bank no one care, all are govt employee. I went to add name in locker and was told to come tomorrow as locker guy is absent. No where in developed country you would hear such nonsense , all bank employee should know all part of general bank operation activities. Govt needs to cut rules & regulation massively, get out of running businesses and focus on administration of institution. Even if central institution improve state govt babus will create road block.
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Rajiv Malhotra and Mohandas Pai -you both are soporific and selfish.
Ohhhhh. A sad old jobless has-been trying to create employment for himself by bad mouthing the government.
Go mind your bpo, pai, leave administration of the nation to BJP
Govt needs to be criticized when it fails to meet the aspiration of the nation. BJP is built by the supporters who are keeping a constant watch on it.
.... without strong opposition...it'll be "absolute power corrupts absolutely"..
Congress to blame - they want English to first language
Modi want all local lang, Hindi and English
Modi wants all states to lead India,
Congress wants Delhi to lead India,
congress is divided wat to do
Co ngress i divided in 2 -
One is Congress Corporate Congress backed by liberals,and
Indian National Congress backed by Congress Seva Dal.
Savarnas and brahmins like pai and malhotra now getting upset.
Come on! You can't attach caste badge on their chests. At lease these two people are thinking about the country.