@@davidgalt8107 Another brilliant analogy is an Electric EV is basically a cordless drill on 4 wheels ,what’s to go wrong ? How did he get stiffed for £700 service ? My MG5 service bill was £126 which was a software update .
Good luck with your trip! But…….did you not say in your Buxton video that stupid car had to go?????? Personally I’d take the financial hit to dump the horrible thing. The reason the secondhand prices have dropped is dealers are overloaded with unwanted used EVs! My local Jag dealer has 50 used cars for sale - 16 of them are EVs! See what I mean
I recently took your inspiring words and a Saturday off and drove from rural Ayrshire down to York with the wife for a night away. I noted the travel in my 1.2 Corsa and I got 495 miles to a tank which cost 52.50GBP and took three minutes to fill. Car was no issue at all and it now as 115,000 miles and is 15 years old. Great weekend and made a point of speaking to any EV drivers I met or ran into at services etc...with the exception of one they were all middle class renta tossers. As for why with EV's. It is called 'Virtue Politics' combined with guilt ethics and control. EV's are not to be bought only rented and for only three years, like a phone contract. Great you caught up with Jeff, Lee, nicely done. Premium aside, the Brave Browser and Duck Duck Go block all ads. Lastly at 39.42 the orange fiesta to the side of you, better long term buy, mate has one the same, put 75k on it and no issues at all.
115k miles in 15 years of driving? There are Tesla Uber taxis doing more miles in one year and keep going. There's a guy in Germany who has completed a million miles in his Tesla and had free Supercharging for life
@@FullFact548 I drive mainly local to work in a rural area almost devoid still of charging and very hills and snow in winter. I am not a taxi. Well done to the German, great gas power.
@@David-bl1bt I am sure they will since I have children. Now that I am in your head, do you ever travel on a plane, do you drive a car, do you care for the planet? My car has paid its carbon off in spades and is the smallest I can use daily for short commutes. Do not lecture when reality is calling. City dwellers.
@Gavin Syme Do you have off-street parking, Gavin? I saw a video last night from a guy who lives in Canada and drives his Tesla Model 3 at -34°C. Of course, if you live in a rural area, your impact on the local environment will be less, but the majority of people in the UK live in heavily polluted cities
@@FullFact548 In the West most live in cities yes and have become strange to me over the last fifteen years, almost like a different country as it were. I cannot speak to any Canadian only to my own experiences with people I know who tried out electric and gave up on it after a year or so due to poor performance in winter and tire cost and so forth, all on lease. Parking is at property as there are few streets with lights on them in my area. Also our cities are way cleaner now than when I was a lad. In Glasgow early 80's my face was black coming back from school due to coal, steel, ships, industry etc. Compared to that pollution is minimal now as the coal and industry is long gone....well for now.
Having had a plug in Hybrid and now a full electric car the Only way forward is a Plug in hybrid with a 200 mile range at the very least.Nothing else works and for most people that would be a liveable compromise.Keep up the good work buddy you’re telling the truth.
I just brought a 23 year old Yaris for £700 for my son to learn to drive on. I I’m not sure how spending £40k on some ugly dollop of Electric SUV is either greener or makes more financial sense than that !
I had to make a trip from the Midlands to London yesterday at very short notice. I jumped into my car, loaded the boot with half a dozen packages, and went to the petrol station. 6 minutes later with a full tank I set off. Just under 5 hours later I was home, having covered 315 miles at an average of 41 mpg at an average driving speed of 65 mph. the only stops were to unload and a drive though coffee shop. Somehow I think I would still be charging in an EV.
If you had an EV and the battery was 80% full when you left, you could have done the same journey with a short charging stop of 20-30 minutes, or even less in something like a Tesla model 3.
I just did (got home an hour ago! 🤣) 1000 miles in a week on a roadtrip around the lakes (from south Cheshire). Almost no chargers in cumbria at all, (so I had to do a little extra research )yet every time I stopped to eat, the car was pinging me to say it was charged and ready to go before I was ordered, eaten and ready to go. That has been my experience and my car has a 240 mile range (BMW IX40) at this time of year (I have heat on or AC as I would in any car… comfort comes first!). So far (7,000 miles in), I am preferring it to my previous 3litre diesel X5 (£500 per month in diesel 😳😳). Caravans and EV’s are a non starter at present… it’s not the reduced range, it is the infrastructure again as you would have to unhitch and leave your caravan somewhere to use a charger… a gross inconvenience! Wouldn’t touch an EV for towing as things are now. Car fires (the stats say that driving around with 20 gallons of petrol is vastly higher fire risk (specially in crashes).
I'll be towing my caravan with my i4 in August, down to Cornwall. 311 miles for us. WIll be stopping to charge 3 times, for roughly 30 to 40 mins each time. Yes, I'll have to unhitch, but it doesn't bother me. I've already gotten over that mental hurdle, before I start. Things are only a problem, if you make them a problem. So it will take us roughly 1 hour longer, as we already make 2 stops in the diesel for fuel, food, toilets etc.
I'm a cabinet maker and deliver display cabinets all over the UK in my VW Caddy Van. The van is a diesel with a 57LT tank and it's getting on a bit, I bought it new back in 2004 and it's covered 239000 miles now. I live in Nottingham, so not that far from Mansfield and If I drive sensibly at around 60mph / 65mph on the motorways I can get to Glasgow and back on a tank of diesel with a little to spare. I can do Nottingham to Inverness and back on around a tank and three quarters, again with some to spare, and this is with heated seat on, climate control in use, radio etc. Electric vehicles will have to come a long way before I would consider having one, I just could'nt be bothered with all the faffing around looking for charging points and then having to wait ages for the vehicle to charge up....My vans a bit like me, not much to look at, but dependable!
It's not electric cars that need to come a long way, Si, it's the charging infrastructure that is the main problem. That said, electric van manufacturers are concentrating on last mile deliveries rather than long-distance haulers.
would you consider getting an Electric Vehicle if say 2 countries go to war over access to diminishing fresh water due to Man Made Global Climate Change, and say one of those countries gets military assistance from either the US or EU or UK, and the other country gets military assistance from Russia, China or North Korea, thus putting the entire Planet on the verge of WW3, OR maybe yer dont wanna think of stuff like THAT potentially happening. (Google "potential water conflicts due to Climate Change")
@@organickevinlondon What's your point? Are you saying that electricity wouldn't be available (affected by the whole global supply chain)? Are you saying that components from China will mean that EVs can't be made (most ICE cars use parts from China). Or are you saying that EVs help reduce Climate Change?
@@alanwakeman3741 I'm implying that EVERY Human Being has a duty to reduce their carbon/ecological footprint, in order to postpone/prevent irreparable direct/indirect damage being done to the only Planet in the known Universe that sustains life as we know it.(over its entire lifespan, including its manufacture an EV has a lower carbon/ecological footprint than an equivalent ICE vehicle)
@Alan Wakeman If all transport transitioned to electric power, it would help reduce carbon emissions and help reduce climate change a little, but more importantly, it would reduce localised air pollution that takes many lives each year. In reality farming and in particular livestock and dairy farming creates a great deal more CO2 and methane, which is a far more potent GHG. Getting people to change their eating habits is going to be a far greater challenge than getting them to dump the pump.
I like to think I created a friendship here 😂 I messaged Jeff Buy's Car's and mentioned you when he covered the dangers of EV's. I think you owe me a Haggis Supper 😂
@@TheMacMaster I am now thank you but only just as going on a Caribbean cruise on Thursday with Marella my first time with them but you should give them a go they serve YORKSHIRE TEA 😀
I am so worried about getting forced off my company to having a EV car that I am receiving in May. I do travelling up and down the UK and my anxiety is through the roof about charging this thing and not running out of juice on the motorways. Thanks for another great vid Lee
One thing - if you are on motorways you have the best chance of finding chargers! It’s cross country that’s the big problem. Does your company operate a scheme where you can give back their car and use your own and claim mileage? Or of course keep running out of juice and turning up late everywhere and blame the crappy EV
I hope your company gives you a decent EV with a decent range, as there are many on the market today. A Tesla is still the best choice because of its supercharger network, and you can also use pretty much every other type of public charger apart from ChaDaMo, which only a few brands use anyway. Benefit in kind is 2% for most EVs whereas its 15% for a low emissions ICE, so there's a huge benefit there.
As a diesel van owner, z4 owner and a cyclist. I commute 9 miles between 2 small towns. Now town 1 has 4 chargers in town, and 5 on the out skirts. On my journey between the two towns I pass 2 chargers. However I counted all the cars I pass in town passed on the side of the road. In the 3 miles of urban riding I pass about 180 cars parked on the road that couldn’t be chargerd without trailing cables across the pavements. Oh and I am a caravaner my vito drops from 32 to the gallon to 28mpg pulling my 1800kg 28 ft caravan. The bmw ix pulling a similar caravan had its range drop from 300miles to 120ish.
@@Smith_Tech_70 depends how fast you drive I just trundle around at 55 it makes very little different to my van. In fact my vabs worse in traffic than towing a caravan
You drive the fastest milk-cart in Mansfield. They’re a con & for them to be widely used need fast charging stations at every petrol station & the charging stations need to be super fast 10 minutes or so. Great video as usual. 😊
I've known for years that EV is about control and nothing about inviroment. I drive a Audi S4 Diesel. 700 nm torque and 40+ to the gallon. With zero range anxiety 😂
You were lucky on this trip Lee with chargers. In previous videos you've had to drive to another charging point, adding to your range anxiety, because all the chargers were already in use or not working, despite your app telling you they were functioning.
The Tesla Semi battery weighs 2.3 tons and gives it a range of 500 miles fully laden. Many well-known truck manufacturers are now building fully electric trucks for both local delivery and long haul
@David Heslop The Tesla Semi has a 1,000 kWh battery, and Tesla Semi batteries have an energy density of 275wH/kg, making 2.75 metric tonnes. However, the whole pack actually weighs 3.636 metric tonnes, so where you got the '6 ton' figure from, I have no idea. Verified tests have shown it can do 500 miles carrying a 38 tonnes payload.
@David Heslop Apologies, the 300-mile range Tesla Semi has a 2.3 tonne battery, and the larger 500-mile range Semi has a battery weighing 3.636 tonnes. My mistake
Great vlog as usual Lee. .You’re really grasping what is happening and what lays ahead now. Looking forward to your meet with Geoff buys cars, he’s well clued up. Unless we halt this madness of net zero, climate bullshit, your channel will be reduced to walking to all the restaurants in a 15 min radius and munching on witchetty grubs, crunchy on the outside, soft in the middle
Enjoyable video again Lee - these London based politicians who want us on public transport should come and live in the countryside where it's virtually non existent, without a vehicle we would be stranded.
The best thing about Electric HGV's is that the driver will NEVER overrun on the Tacho, simply because they would have to stop and charge every two hours and the battery will take around four hours or more to charge. That'll add to the cost of haulage
I'm an ex international trucker, so I know my stuff, the Government will simply increase the legal weight of HGVs, (as they did from 38 to 40 tons and from 40 tons to 44 tons), to 48 tons and then shove a 4 ton EV battery into trailers, to give a maximum daily driving time, of 10 hours, and a 15 hour charge up time, as per the drivers rest hours laws,
Great points made through out it’s clear that the future is not as straightforward as we are being led to believe. Thank you for providing us with this excellent work.
Absolutely spot on Lee... they can switch you off and have total control. Like micro chipping...50yrs from now it'll be in. It's like smart electric metres... it's not about so you can watch what you're spending in electric so you can turn a light off... it's so yet again you can be switched off by a push of a button. The mining for cobalt in the congo is a disgrace and loads of deaths. They don't tell you that!!!! Thankyou for bringing it up
I really think you should look up the many uses of cobalt before making such mindless claims. The use of child labour in illegal artisan mines to be sold on the black market is a disgrace and if their parents weren't so poor they'd send them to school rather than to earn 50p a day mining cobalt with their bare hands. It's poverty that kills people, not cobalt. So the next time you fill up your car with petrol or diesel, spare a thought for the poor people, as the oil industry has been using cobalt to remove sulphur from its products for decades.
I say this every time Lee - filled my car up with diesel today - took all of 10 mins and range went from 207 to 642 miles - all the energy cost of assembling my car was cast out into the environment - why is it better for the environment for me to buy a brand new EV? All politicians drive armour plated Range Rovers that are so heavy they will only return single figure diesel MPG's and if Sunak leaves London its by private jet
It's not just full BEVs. People think that Hybrids are the best bet.......however, the cost of replacing the Hybrid battery is extortionate. I was looking through some prices on line yesterday and they range from £2k for a Fiesta mild hybrid battery and up to £15k for a Mercedes C class Hybrid........and those prices didn't include the removal of the old and fitting the new one. Some manufacturers aren't making their prices available. Apparently, if the battery does fail, you can't just remove it and drive solely using the engine and the 12v battery because the hybrid battery is a part of the drivetrain. As the first owner with the warranty you'll be covered, but who will want a used one with an uncertain battery life.
My Lexus LS600HL Hybrid battery is 15 years old and so far, I don't need a replacement but when I do, the dealer wants about £4K to replace it. There are a few dozens aftermarket companies that sell replacement Hybrid batteries for about half of what the dealer charges. I am sure I will eventually need it but at least Toyota batteries last a very long time.
Saw a video on TH-cam yesterday from a guy whose Tesla Model S battery developed a fault after more than 8 years and 160k miles of driving. Tesla checked the battery and said it needed replacing, and as the car was out of warranty, he would have to pay out of his own pocket. Considering the age of the car, Tesla replaced his battery with a refurbished one (batteries can be repaired). That cost under £10k and included a 4 year 50k miles warranty.
Hey Lee, great vid, the ev debate around enviromentally friendly is not about re-cycling but emissions, which are zero for the car, how your electric is generated is also another matter 🙂
I agree, Liam, except electric generation is getting cleaner year on year as we adopt more renewable power. Data confirms that, collectively, renewable and nuclear energy generation arrays accounted for more than 48.5% of all electricity generated in Great Britain during 2022. This is the second-highest proportion on record, with only 2020 topping it. Gas remained the main single source of electricity generation during the year, nonetheless. Gas-fired power plants accounted for 38.5% of generation. However, coal’s share decreased to 1.5%. For context, its share in 2012 was 43%. Wind accounted for 26.8% of the generation mix in 2022. The ESO has confirmed that last year was the first year in which wind arrays provided more than 20GW of electricity to the nation within a single day, on 3 November 2022. The record was broken again, with 20.918GW from wind, on 30 December 2022.
Hi - Great video. I agree with Toby earlier. I regularly trug up to the Midlands (Mansfield) from Devon and the M5 is not happy hunting ground for EV's - they look like an endengered species. But go to a business hotel and car park is full of them. Why - because the carrot is to give wealthy businessmen - who were used to paying 4K tax as benefit in kind - but for an EV is negligible. We have food banks and the idelogy of the government is to give wealthy people rebates. But the stick is coming as EV sales are down - so the government is going to restrict sales of ICE until 2030 - true - its ZEV. So what next in the peoples republic of Britain - restricting your food, cigarettes etc. We have to fight back and tell them this is a democracy. Keep it up Mac. Love your bit re Sunak - ask Schapps why he flies a private plane - registered in USA!!
EVs are for the wealthy? The ones you see at business hotels most likely belong reps using the car for work. Businesses are using more and more EVs, not for the 2% BIK as it's the driver who benefits from that, but because their running costs are so much less than an ICE car. That's why more taxi firms are using them as well. For private motorists, EVs are getting cheaper, and there are now lots of great used EVs for sale as well. As for lobbying the government and taking back control, it's too late. The fossil fuel lobby has that already sewn up. People talk as if moves toward net zero is something new when in reality the first climate agreement was signed by John Major in 1992, so the electorate have had 30 years to voice their protests. In real terms little has been done. Air pollution is killing our citizens with motor transport as the primary cause. Builders are still building inefficient homes. Government proposals to end the fitting of gas boilers in new homes were scrapped after pressure from boiler manufacturers and the gas industry. 30 wasted years where successive governments have put the economy before the environment, instead building a green economy and improve the lives of everyone in the UK
Sales of new EVs increased by 40% last year in the UK, with the Tesla Model Y being the best selling car of all sectors in December. Are you sure sales are down?
Lee, yet another informative and great vlog on the state of EVs and EV charging in the UK. I would love to see you do a trip throughout, Germany, to check out their EV charging system and a comparative to the UKs. Also, a food vlog in Germany also. Thankyou.😊
I do 10000 miles for £175 a year in my electric car. Choose the right car and you don't have high bills or servicing costs. Can do 200 miles between charging no problem.
Hi Macmaster. Loving your channel and your rants. I have a confession I'm a Tesla Y owner but before you burn me a the stake I want to agree with you. I absolutely love the model Y but I don't do long mileage and rarely charge other than at home. You are right the infrastructure is simply not there to use EV's if you are travelling around the country. It's nonsense that there is not one uniform charging network. The government need to get a grip. EV's are not suitable for everyone and until they can get the charging network sorted they never will be. I guess I need to go to church now for some hell mary's.
Your correct Lee. BMW are working with Toyota on Hydrogen fuel cell technology for combustion engines. The emissions are H2o. Also several companies are developing synthetic diesel and petrol fuels to work with combustion engines. The emissions are very low.
When the oil runs out because nobody wants to invest in fossil fuel anymore people will be queueing up to buy them. 7.2 million people around the world did last year alone
I love your anti EV rants! I’ve got an MG4 and get a dependable 200 miles out of it in winter, 250 in summer and I’ve had very few public charging problems. At home, it’s charged using mostly solar panels. At fear of being trolled unmercifully, I predict the move to electric vehicles is ineluctable. I loved my diesel @13 year old Golf TDI GT but it emitted nitrous oxides, co2, and PM 2.5 particulates together with mega costs to look after and fuel. Yes it continues to do so with the new owner but I decided to go for a cheaper to drive, lower maintenance, les polluting vehicle. My choice and I’m not suggesting anyone else has to do the same thing. I enjoy your channel. Thank you.
A very well balanced and valid review my friend. I don't hate EVs, I hate the motive behind them. I think they make great sense in cities especially removing diesels off the roads. I'd drive a hydrogen car tomorrow.
@TIm Lowe Tim. The oil industry and automotive industry, particularly in America, have been lying through the backs of their teeth for almost 5 decades now. Exxon employed scientists in the mid 1970s to research the effect of oil exploration and refining on the environment, and the report the scientists gave them in 1983 made grim reading. They knew then that burning oil was unsustainable and damaging to the climate and hushed it up. We know this because those same scientists testified at a US senate hearing 3 years ago. They knew that greenhouse gas emissions would exceed 400ppm and carried on as normal. US automakers such as General Motors and Ford also knew the exhaust produced by their cars was damaging to both the environment and human health, and still goes on today. Look at the 2015 VW diesel emissions scandal or, more recently, Toyota being caught doing the same, lying about emissions and fuel economy. Those are the real lies, not claims that EVs are better for the environment, which research proves they are, by the way. Those executives who decided to bury the truth about fossil fuels should be in jail for their crimes
I know someone who got a Nissan Leaf for his wife last year, along with loads of solar panels fitted to the house, with the summer we had he kept saying how brilliant it was and that he was going to trade his car in for an electric car. Anyway, saw him again recently and asked if his electric car had arrived yet, he told me that he’d cancelled the order and they decided to keep his, as for long journeys and through the winter the Leaf was a nightmare.
I love your vlogs. I am an occasional EV user, and I belong to the Co-Wheels community. Great idea. I have experienced the issues you have talked about. Children allegedly mining cobalt may be the sole wage earner in a family. EV pollution is because of the extra weight; there is more asbestos and rubber dust pollution in the air in the air.
Imagine a service station with only fuel for lorry’s with charging points just for cars, the queues and time would be unimaginable and the grid system would shut down….
Imagine the queues for petrol when there’s a sudden shortage of petrol tanker drivers because of Brexit and lifting Covid restrictions exacerbated by panic buying .As actually happened in October 2021.
"charge when you can, not when you have to" I have heard this before and this is one of the many reasons why they are not environmentally friendly or clean. With a combustion engine you can fill up with fuel, do 50 miles to get home, then park up. Leave it for 10 hours doing nothing and then the next day do 20 miles, and then do the same again, park up, leave it and do more miles the following days until you again need fuel. In all those hours parked up the car has used no energy or created no pollution. Yet with a EV, "charge up when you can not when you have to" they charge them up, go home and then charge up again. They do their next journey and then when they park up, they charge again. They keep doing this. So every time the car is parked it's using energy to charge and creating pollution. Let's imagine if everyone had a EV and was doing this, EVs are a huge disaster in the making.
Other thing is, if you are trying to be environmentally friendly and/or you are trying to keep up value of the EV... be good to the Lithium battery, drive it until it gets down to 20%, charge it when it gets to 80% and try to charge it when it is not too hot out so you don't overheat the battery. I know a guy who bought a used Tesla but found the battery was not holding charge for very long so he sold it. Probably those Tesla fast chargers beat on the battery. Ideally you trickle charge as well... this is all a pain but if you care for the environment you will want that battery to last a long time also remember at the moment there are exploitative labor practices to get the Lithium and Cobalt for the battery, plus the way they mine it is really bad for the environment. If you really care about the environment you should probably get a small simple 4 cylinder Internal Combustion car and drive it for 400,000 miles, then you don't have to deal with Range Anxiety or wearing out special tires or 5,000 degree F battery fires that are difficult to put out.
You obviously have no idea how much energy is consumed by the oil and gas industry to provide petrol and diesel. Currently, 6-8% of commercially used energy globally is used by the oil and gas industry. Then, of course, you have the environmental impact of the industry with 216 confirmed oil spills since 1903 or 1.8 a year. Add to that the 8 million air pollution deaths a year, not all from oil granted, and the enormous cost in healthcare costs, lost productivity, and premature deaths. There is verified research that proves that an EV driven only on power from coal still produces fewer harmful emissions than a traditional ICE vehicle through its lifetime
Didn't volvo do a report saying EVs had to be driven 70000 miles or 9 years to offset the higher production emissions . Considering the amount of used cars for sale at this age with less mileage then if these were EVs it would mean they never would offset the production emissions. Also what about the pollution coming from all the work involved in installing all the charging points and the pollution from battery fires. I actually have no problem with EVs if they were not being forced through and new combustion engines banned. I think the cleanest most environmentally friendly thing would be to allow all to be made so there isn't a sole reliance on one thing. Combustion engines would continue to get cleaner and more fuel efficient, there wouldn't be a need to install millions of charging points, there wouldn't be a sole reliance on China, Imagine something happens with china and every car in the country being made has a sole reliance on China, 95% of Tesla parts are from china and most battery production is from china. They could bring every country to its knees if they wanted to.
@TableTopTurd Concerns about China have some merit, and yes, numerous car manufacturers use Chinese parts or are built in China, including Tesla, Polestar, and BMW. But, on the other hand, so does pretty much every other electronic and mobile device on the planet. The UK imported £63 billion worth of Chinese goods last year alone. As for CO2 payback times, that really depends on how clean the electricity is used in production and driving. In other words, electricity from renewable sources will repay more quickly than from gas or coal. It is, of course, true that China uses a lot of coal to produce electricity, but it is also true that China is switching to renewables at an amazing rare. China, the largest car market in the world, is also the biggest EV market. The city of Shenzhen has 16,000 electric buses and 22,000 electric taxis, and a population of 12.5 million people. China, in recent years, has also built 38k km of high-speed electric railway to run bullet trains. Whilst China is the world's largest polluter in gross terms, because of its vast 1.4 billion population, it produces half the GHG per capita as the US, Canada, Australia, and all of the gulf states.
@TableTopTurd The problem with combustion engines is that while they have improved and become more efficient over time, such improvements are minimal now, whereas battery technology is improving rapidly. Once a possible market was demonstrated, interest and investment flooded in. It pains me to say, but you have Elon Musk to thank (or blame) for that.
When you mentioned about how the price of EV had plummeted I thought of the Geoff buys cars video as I came across his channel just last week so was surprised you brought him up and think a collaboration will be great viewing. As for evangelists you are spot on no matter how many good arguments or points you have they always an answer...but EV isn't the answer. Petrol ped did a towing video, halfed the range and you have to unhitch the van to charge
James May said: 'just think of all the battery powered things you have...they're either flat, or going flat'. OK, fuel is burnt, but it's a quick 3 minute refill. I hoped Hydrogen would have taken off more, the only by product is water. Edit: the trucks drive at their limit, about 56mph through the 50's roadworks, all speedo's under -read, so an indicated 58mph through the average speed cams (actually about 54) is fine, been doing it for years 🙂
I have a electric motorbike ,I love it ,with electric cars there's always gonna be positives and negatives ,as a truck driver ,I can't see electric lorry's on the road but I heard they are trialing a few out ,because some are work horses out on the road 24/7 ,the only thing I have negative when I'm riding my electric bike is the people can't hear you coming around the corner ,,great vid 🚗
How do you charge with a caravan hitched up? They don't give you room at these charging stations and alot choose to reverse park. I've not been to many places with chargers but the ones at Peterborough services are in the worst possible place and just block the whole place up with people queuing to use them so no cars can get through. Do they provide somewhere to leave your caravan while you join the queue? I dread the summer holidays in year's to come if you're travelling long distance. It's bad enough already. Onwards...while you can!😂
That is one thing I have always stated from day one of EV's because 99.9% of the chargers are car park space design. Not just caravan owners either that will suffer as there are many other trades like construction/farm/garden machinery dealers who usually tow machinery around the country on trailers, catering companies tow their mobile catering units, owners of boats usually trailer them to the harbours if they store them elsewhere and also there are those who courier new and used cars to owners who wish to buy their cars online on trailers.
Nearly all the lorry manufacturers are offering electric versions of rigids and artics. The company I work for had an 18ton rigid on trial for a while. There are quite a few companies already running electric lorries and vans. Amazon have alot of electric vans.
@@jimharvey9552 What do you mean 'no lorries'? Scania, Volvo, Renault, Mercedes etc. are all doing Electric lorries. As I have already said, the company I work for had an electric Renault truck on trial. Warburtons bakery already have Renault electric trucks on their fleet. th-cam.com/video/IDJ0hFRPN8g/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/SL4q3HroFF8/w-d-xo.html there are loads of vlogs about them here on TH-cam.
Thanks for enlightening me to the truths of EVs as was thinking about making the switch. Will stick with my 2 litre diesel for now with ~600 mile range.
Graham. Please read this As we breathe, the toxic gases and small particles of diesel exhaust are drawn into the lungs. The microscopic particles in diesel exhaust are less than one-fifth the thickness of a human hair and are small enough to penetrate deep into the lungs, where they contribute to a range of health problems. Diesel exhaust and many individual substances contained in it (including arsenic, benzene, formaldehyde and nickel) have the potential to contribute to mutations in cells that can lead to cancer. In fact, long-term exposure to diesel exhaust particles poses the highest cancer risk of any toxic air contaminant evaluated by OEHHA. ARB estimates that about 70 percent of the cancer risk that the average Californian faces from breathing toxic air pollutants stems from diesel exhaust particles. In its comprehensive assessment of diesel exhaust, OEHHA analyzed more than 30 studies of people who worked around diesel equipment, including truck drivers, railroad workers and equipment operators. The studies showed these workers were more likely to develop lung cancer than workers who were not exposed to diesel emissions. These studies provide strong evidence that long-term occupational exposure to diesel exhaust increases the risk of lung cancer. Using information from OEHHA's assessment, ARB estimates that diesel-particle levels measured in California's air in 2000 could cause 540 "excess" cancers (beyond what would occur if there were no diesel particles in the air) in a population of 1 million people over a 70-year lifetime. Other researchers and scientific organizations, including the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, have calculated cancer risks from diesel exhaust that are similar to those developed by OEHHA and ARB. Exposure to diesel exhaust can have immediate health effects. Diesel exhaust can irritate the eyes, nose, throat and lungs, and it can cause coughs, headaches, lightheadedness and nausea. In studies with human volunteers, diesel exhaust particles made people with allergies more susceptible to the materials to which they are allergic, such as dust and pollen. Exposure to diesel exhaust also causes inflammation in the lungs, which may aggravate chronic respiratory symptoms and increase the frequency or intensity of asthma attacks. Diesel engines are a major source of fine-particle pollution. The elderly and people with emphysema, asthma, and chronic heart and lung disease are especially sensitive to fine-particle pollution. Numerous studies have linked elevated particle levels in the air to increased hospital admissions, emergency room visits, asthma attacks and premature deaths among those suffering from respiratory problems. Because children's lungs and respiratory systems are still developing, they are also more susceptible than healthy adults to fine particles. Exposure to fine particles is associated with increased frequency of childhood illnesses and can also reduce lung function in children. Like all fuel-burning equipment, diesel engines produce nitrogen oxides, a common air pollutant in California. Nitrogen oxides can damage lung tissue, lower the body's resistance to respiratory infection and worsen chronic lung diseases, such as asthma. They also react with other pollutants in the atmosphere to form ozone, a major component of smog.
100% with you on the TH-cam premium, I did a months free trial a few years ago and been a subscriber ever since. As for long distance HGV trips I would like to see hydrogen explored more due to it's light weight and quick fuelling. JCB has already developed hydrogen engines for it's range of diggers.
Caterpillar in Australia is supplying 100% electric quarrying trucks with a 265-ton payload. Hyundai also makes a range of electric trucks in addition to hydrogen. JCB has also made electric diggers in the UK. Electric plant and trucks are already in use in Norway and Sweden. Future transportation is likely to use a variety of different fuels, but electricity is far cheaper to produce than hydrogen and makes more economic and environmental sense.
Luckily I brought a 2l skoda octavia, was thinking of getting a Nissan leaf at some point. After seeing all your problems with electric cars I will definitely be keeping my diesel i can get 60mpg on a long run. Looking forward to the food reviews in Blackpool. Control it probably is. 😊
Lee. I was arguing with my friend the other day about electric cars. Mentioned the range difference in winter and summer.That you mentioned. He sells New BMW. He said . There is a setting where you can pre condition the batteries for winter. When charging. You get the same mileage then. Might help you out while you are counting down the days of binning it.😁👍
I took my Q4 to loch lomond from Nottingham and stopped at Scotch Corner Gridserve, Ionity gretna, Fastned Hamilton, Ionity gretna and gridserve wheterby. Ionity gave me a free charge going as their app didn’t unlock the charger but that was busy both times. Wetherby had a massive superhub of chargers. Destinations such as hotels are my issue, they are not the same price as home chargers and then limit you to 8 hours before an overstay fee meaning if you want to charge overnight it’s pointless. Rapid chargers are expensive though.
You asked how many miles on an 16 year old diesel van, 400 per 10 minute fill up. I may get a semi EV i.e. a highbred, but I haven't look at it yet. If I don't like it I will be going for my original choice a 4x4 euro 6 diesel.
The problem with diesel engines is that they produce toxic fumes from combustion that are quite literally killing people. Is that worth the 10 minute fill-up?
as a truck driver , driving from Mansfield to Glasgow regular it takes 7 hours and that includes a 45 min break delivering 28 ton and reloading,night out it takes on average 110-120 ltrs of derv and 23 hours in total
Think about a long trip in Australia, or any other large country. Buzzing around Europe is bad enough, trying to cover a thousand kilometres in a day would be sheer drudgery!
A quick note about hydrogen. Hydrogen molecules are small and can easily leak if precautions aren't taken. Hydrogen tanks need replacing every 12 years and are wrapped in kevlar tape to help protect against damage. HFC cars also have lithium ion batteries and electric motors. The Toyota Mirai weighs approximately the same as an equivalent sized Tesla Model 3 @ 1900kg and is far less efficient
FullFact why are you here commenting on TH-cam ? should you not be out driving your so called fantastic electric car, eating Vegan peace crisps and hugging trees ?
we have 3 cars at home. leaf ,v8 camaro and a kia ceed. for to and from town we always take the leaf. for what we bought it for it's brilliant. dry summers days i take my v8 camaro. for daily to and from work driving ev's cant be beat. 2 quid to fully charge it for 150 miles. awesome car
Here is some information about hydrogen production. Green Hydrogen: Green hydrogen is made by using clean electricity from renewable energy sources, such as solar or wind power, to electrolyze water. Electrolysers use an electrochemical reaction to split water into its components of hydrogen and oxygen, emitting zero-carbon dioxide in the process. Green hydrogen currently makes up a small percentage of the overall hydrogen, because production is very expensive. Just as energy from wind power has reduced in price, green hydrogen will come down in price as it becomes more common. Blue Hydrogen: Blue hydrogen is produced mainly from natural gas, using a process called steam reforming, which brings together natural gas and heated water in the form of steam. The output is hydrogen - but also carbon dioxide as a by-product. That means carbon capture and storage (CCS) is essential to trap and store this carbon. Blue hydrogen is sometimes described as ‘low-carbon hydrogen’ as the steam reforming process doesn’t actually avoid the creation of greenhouse gases. Grey Hydrogen: Grey hydrogen is created from natural gas, or methane, using steam methane reformation but without capturing the greenhouse energy made in the process. Currently, this is the most common form of hydrogen production. There is also a gasification process that uses coal as a feedstock, creating brown hydrogen, which also releases carbon dioxide and can be put in the same category as grey. The process used to create hydrogen from natural gas is called steam methane reforming (SMR), where high-temperature steam (700°C-1,000°C) is used to produce hydrogen from a methane source, such as natural gas. Brown and Black Hydrogen: Brown hydrogen (made from brown coal) and black hydrogen (made from black coal) are produced through gasification. These black and brown hydrogen are the absolute opposite of green hydrogen in the hydrogen spectrum and the most environmentally damaging. Any hydrogen made from fossil fuels through the process of ‘gasification’ is called black or brown hydrogen. It’s a process used in many industries that converts carbon-rich materials into hydrogen and carbon dioxide. As a result, gasification releases those by-products into the atmosphere. White Hydrogen: White hydrogen is a naturally occurring geological hydrogen found in underground deposits and created through fracking. Fracking is the process of drilling down into the earth before a high-pressure water mixture is directed at the rock to release the gas inside. Water, sand, and chemicals are injected into the rock at high pressure which allows the gas to flow out to the head of the well. It is mostly found in gaseous form. Turquoise Hydrogen: A new contender is turquoise hydrogen, this is called because the method of synthesizing it is regarded as sitting somewhere between green and blue hydrogen production. This is a new entry in the hydrogen colour charts and production has yet to be proven at scale. Turquoise hydrogen is made using a process called methane pyrolysis to produce hydrogen and solid carbon. Methane splitting is not a new concept, and a few commercial-scale plants already exist in North America. The process uses natural gas purely as a feedstock, with all energy for heating and splitting methane coming from electricity. So if the electricity is sourced from renewable energy, the whole process is basically carbon neutral. So, at the moment large scale Hydrogen production from environmental sources is not possible yet.
I heard an industry expert recently say that the UK would have to scale up its offshore wind fleet by 10 times to produce enough green hydrogen to power the UK transport fleet.
The trouble is they are not climate friendly. I say this because I normally change vehicles every 3 to 4 yrs. My old car is then sold on probably 3 or 4 times over the next 10yrs before it’s scrapped. With an EV, once the leases come to an end a lot of these cars will have done 40000 miles or more. The dealers won’t be able sell second hand EVs because no one will trust the batteries. This is a reason for prices dropping. Nobody minds buying a petrol or diesel that’s done 80k or more. No one will buy the EVs at this mileage. Hence EVs will be scrapped after maybe 6 or 7 yrs. That’s not emission friendly
It is not uncommon in mining terms to dig up 100 tons of rock to gain 1 ton of useable material, and that applies across the mining industry and not just EV batteries. Then, of course, there are the billions of NMC batteries using those same materials in phones, tablets, laptops, and every cordless power tool under the sun.
Thanks for giving us your source Tim. This, according to wiki, is a “right wing think tank” and it appears to be a proponent of climate denial. Its donors largely supporters of fossil fuels. I would argue that it might lack impartiality….. I fact checked your initial statement with AFP Fact check and they say “Social media posts shared repeatedly in Australia claim that "500,000 pounds (227 metric tonnes) of the earth's crust" is excavated to mine the materials for one electric car battery. This is misleading; experts said the posts exaggerated the amount of earth that would be excavated for one battery and that the environmental impact of electric vehicles was smaller than gasoline-powered cars”.
If you think your charging infrastructure is inadequate ,I live in Australia and we are also being forced into EV cars .If you put a map of Australia over the top of Europe, with the far less charging stations than the UK has you will see the problem here.I live in a small country town,No chargers and no EV cars here only the odd Tessla passing through looking in vain for a charger!.The distance you can travel here and see nobody or anything is mind boggling,run out of charge here and you can be in real trouble.
If every EV owner topped up charge each time they came across a charger it would mean that charging points would have a car at them more often. There are already not enough charging points. This tactic would mean that there would guaranteed to be a car on every point nearly all the time thus increasing charging waiting times.
Tom. The majority (up to 65%) could be charged at home while you sleep. Whilst certainly the current network is inadequate it will improve and we are likely to see chargers in car parks around the country, meaning it will be possible to charge whilst you are doing something else. There is already at least one company installing 7kW chargers in lamp posts and it is envisaged that eventually wireless induction charging will be widespread. With many EV's having a realistic 200 mile range there is no need to charge on a daily basis, in fact the average driver would only need to charge once or twice a week at most, unless doing a long trip
@@FullFact548 Hi. I do hope that what you say becomes true. I am about to take possession of a new plug in hybrid that I intend to charge at home which will be good for 35 miles on battery. Which will be plenty of milage for my day to day use. Until a full charging network becomes available I think plug in hybrids are a safer bet than a full EV. I have found that views are very polarised between those who either love or hate EVs. Perhaps this is because of political pressure to speed up the transition from petrol to electricity. May be in hindsight many will think that this transition has been implemented too quickly. Always keeping an eye on the prize which is reduction of atmospheric CO2 I can't help thinking that the UK is responsible for 1% of world CO2. So any measures that we in the UK put in place will have very little effect on world CO2. We as a world population will have to move all countries to battery powered vehicles and that will not happen anytime soon. But we have to start somewhere. Also I believe that climate change can not possibly be due to just CO2. There will be many variables in play. Why do we not hear about them? Any way many thanks for your comments and as they say I'll await events unfolding with great interest.
@@tomthorp6980 No Tom, not just CO2, in fact it is probably the least damaging greenhouse gases. Methane is far worse, 28 times in fact, and warmer temperatures have melted permafrost in Siberia and Northern Canada releasing millions of tons of Methane. In my opinion and particularly from a local air pollution point of view CO2 is not so evil but however the sheer volume of it escaping into the upper atmosphere is having a greenhouse effect. My beef about ICE vehicles and in particular diesels, is the pollution they create in our cities as they pump out noxious fumes linked to numerous diseases including cancer and leukaemia. I'm sure you will remember how much cleaner the air was during covid lockdowns. The air would be more like that if everyone either drove EVs or PHEVs as well as walking and cycling more. There's a good video on the fully charged show channel about the Dutch city of Ultrech where the majority of walk, cycle, or have switched to EVs and they have car parks covered with solar panels and chargers on every bay. All new buildings are extremely well insulated and run on green energy. It really shows what could be done with a little forward planning.
Hello Lee, l think your 100% right the miles you do its not practical, sure short journeys would be okay but at some point there will be a need for a long journey which you have shown in a nightmare. I expect you get 1000s of comments and people can be rude and somewhat disrespectful to a point of abuse. Your channel is superb keep it up Lee. Best wishes Patrick
Ha ha, I like your new cap 😂. I'm off to Nottingham hospital on Monday but not in my wheelchair, going via ambulance to the QMC, with my tin foil hat on 😂😂, thanks for the video Lee 👍
Well Mr Davey another fantastic vlog and a surprise visit to my home town of Blackpool wish I had known as a busting to meet you but yep after a week of driving my new diesel powered van loving it but wished I had got the top of the range model but as I have mentioned in a previous vlog I will be hanging on to diesel power for as long as possible so absolutely love this vlog and more like this boss 😊 plus as a p.s i do watch quite a bit of TH-cam and do pay for premium and can wholly agree it’s brilliant and use the music bit too so would back you up on this
All used car sales have tanked, not just EV. The fact is there is a much larger number of used EVs on the market now, and the economics of supply and demand have come into play. This is entirely normal, with leases coming to their end and the cars being available for resale. The reality is that some EVs are selling at nearly new prices, even after 2 years and 15k on the clock
Petrol & diesel cars and depreciation It’s been said for a long time that diesel cars hold their value better than their petrol counterparts. That’s because diesel engines generally last longer, are more fuel efficient and are said to be more reliable. But could this trend be set to change in the coming months and years? There’s plenty of reasons to suggest so, with the UK Government banning the sales of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030 onwards. Plus, the recent outpouring of various emissions scandals surrounding some diesel engines have certainly harmed manufacturer’s reputations when it comes to claims on how ‘clean’ their diesel cars are. And with the world slowly becoming more eco-conscious, how much toxicity we’re pumping into the atmosphere can be a big deciding factor on whether we choose that type of engine or not. On average, petrol & diesel cars depreciate by up to 60% of their original value, after three years and 36,000 miles of driving. Don’t forget, if you’re an older petrol or diesel car driver in built up cities like London, you may be hit with ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zone) charges if your car doesn’t meet the required emissions standard for your area. Older diesel cars also produce more harmful exhaust fumes than older petrol ones. It’s good to note, that if you’re in one of these ULEZ areas, your petrol or diesel car may sell for a lot less than an electric one. Some people still root for the diesel engine, though. They’re known to be better on fuel than petrol cars on consistent long journeys, as well as generally lasting a little longer too, with them being capable of much higher mileages before they break or become too cost-ineffective to repair. This means that right now, diesel cars don’t depreciate as fast as their petrol equivalents. But they’re catching up as the world moves on and don’t forget, they’re still more expensive to buy than petrol cars in the first place.  Electric cars and depreciation The simple fact of that matter is that modern EVs hold their value far better, depreciating a lot less than modern petrol or diesel cars. On average, electric cars depreciate by up to 50% of their original value, after three years and 36,000 miles of driving. Some electric cars in particular hold their value far better than similarly sized and priced ICE cars. The Vauxhall Corsa, for example, can be optioned with a petrol or diesel engine, or electric motor in the form of the Corsa-e. The Corsa-e is said to hold its value 2-3% better than the petrol variants. What are the slowest depreciating electric cars in 2023? Auto Express magazine have recorded the top ten slowest depreciating cars in the UK, with three EVs making the list: the Volkswagen ID.Buzz, Porsche Taycan and MG4. After three years and 36,000 zero emission miles, it’s said they’ll hold 70.1%, 69.3% and 66.5% of their original values respectively. That’s pretty good going when compared to their ICE siblings.
Geoff buys cars is a brilliant channel..as you say he talks sense which is a rarity these days..thankyou for giving him a plug.. One word and you used it: Control..
Sorry, but Geoff spouts nonsense much of the time. I have countered many of his arguments against electric cars and have yet to be proved wrong. If one is to produce worst-case scenarios for electric cars, it is very easy to do the same for combustion cars. I drove both petrol and diesel cars for 33 years and know how unreliable they can be. I now ride a bike to purely stop wasting time sitting in traffic. The decision had nothing to do with climate change or air pollution, but boy, do diesels stink 😢
Glad you’ve made it to Glasgow, looking forward to seeing what you think about my suggestions I emailed. Hope you’ve managed to miss the rain, last couple days hasn’t been nice.
Lee, Here in the States, it's ABC. Always Be Charging. Porsche's synthetic gasoline is $40 per gallon, or 10 Quid per Litre. Hydrogen will do the long range. Ships, lorries, and planes are all in the mix.
That's a big drop in Winter! Also shocked me to learn how much the capacity drops in older EV's which are now on the 2nd hand market. No wonder no-one wants them.
The question is would your EV have been charged with homicide if you had frozen in Buxton? And is psychotherapy and medication included in the warranty?
Surely if you "charge when you can NOT when you have to", it goes against the recommendation of letting the battery run low before charging - so you'll ruin the battery????? Thoughts????
These videos, tabloid press, bogus reporting, and energy companies profiteering from the war in Ukraine hiking up the price of electricity. However, the real reason for the drop in used EV values, as is the case with all secondhand cars, is the increased availability of them as leases come to their end. It's simply the economics of supply and demand, nothing more. Meanwhile, in the UK, sales of new EVs have pushed diesels into 3rd place with only pure petrol cars in the lead. Earlier, I checked on Autotrader the value of a Porsche Taycan like the MacMaster's against an equivalent age and mileage Porsche Panamera, and the depreciation was higher for the Panamera
Really enjoy the EV videos as I'm interested in tech and economics. It's useful to see an honest opinion from a driver's day to day life. You present a lot of facts and issues really well. Never boring and always engaging. Keep them coming.
Don't forget Diane, there are 680k electric vehicles in the UK, and Lee's experience is only one perspective. That is not to say his experience is invalid, just that it's not necessarily shared by all EV drivers.
Been watching you for a long time and these videos on EVs so interesting. I noticed to that the second hand market does seem to have plummeted. EV’s the way they are currently is not the answer. I guess it makes your free coffee very expensive caffeine. Well done mate highlighting such an important issue
Nothing wrong with EVs that more investment in infrastructure can't address. All used car values have dropped, not just EVs. Meanwhile, sales of new EVs have pushed diesels into 3rd place
100% electric EV is like having a standard petrol/diesel engine but with a 3 gallon tank and when you fill it you can only use a syringe....
Brilliant analogy!
As an EV driver myself, you are spot on. I would add that sometimes the syringe is broken or you have to wait for hours to borrow a syringe!!
Never seen that analogy - great point!
Spot on, but `I leave mine at the “overnight” petrol station to put my 3 gallons in 🤣, I don’t miss going to Petrol Stations
@@davidgalt8107 Another brilliant analogy is an Electric EV is basically a cordless drill on 4 wheels ,what’s to go wrong ?
How did he get stiffed for £700 service ? My MG5 service bill was £126 which was a software update .
Good luck with your trip! But…….did you not say in your Buxton video that stupid car had to go?????? Personally I’d take the financial hit to dump the horrible thing. The reason the secondhand prices have dropped is dealers are overloaded with unwanted used EVs! My local Jag dealer has 50 used cars for sale - 16 of them are EVs! See what I mean
Billy Graham here Lee. You've converted me, I've cancelled my Tesla car. 😊. Me and my wife enjoy your channel. Keep it up mate.
I'm no electric car evangelist, I just bought my 1st ever brand new car and it's a petrol engined Mazda 😱
I recently took your inspiring words and a Saturday off and drove from rural Ayrshire down to York with the wife for a night away. I noted the travel in my 1.2 Corsa and I got 495 miles to a tank which cost 52.50GBP and took three minutes to fill. Car was no issue at all and it now as 115,000 miles and is 15 years old. Great weekend and made a point of speaking to any EV drivers I met or ran into at services etc...with the exception of one they were all middle class renta tossers. As for why with EV's. It is called 'Virtue Politics' combined with guilt ethics and control. EV's are not to be bought only rented and for only three years, like a phone contract. Great you caught up with Jeff, Lee, nicely done. Premium aside, the Brave Browser and Duck Duck Go block all ads. Lastly at 39.42 the orange fiesta to the side of you, better long term buy, mate has one the same, put 75k on it and no issues at all.
115k miles in 15 years of driving? There are Tesla Uber taxis doing more miles in one year and keep going. There's a guy in Germany who has completed a million miles in his Tesla and had free Supercharging for life
@@FullFact548 I drive mainly local to work in a rural area almost devoid still of charging and very hills and snow in winter. I am not a taxi. Well done to the German, great gas power.
@@David-bl1bt I am sure they will since I have children. Now that I am in your head, do you ever travel on a plane, do you drive a car, do you care for the planet? My car has paid its carbon off in spades and is the smallest I can use daily for short commutes. Do not lecture when reality is calling. City dwellers.
@Gavin Syme Do you have off-street parking, Gavin? I saw a video last night from a guy who lives in Canada and drives his Tesla Model 3 at -34°C. Of course, if you live in a rural area, your impact on the local environment will be less, but the majority of people in the UK live in heavily polluted cities
@@FullFact548 In the West most live in cities yes and have become strange to me over the last fifteen years, almost like a different country as it were. I cannot speak to any Canadian only to my own experiences with people I know who tried out electric and gave up on it after a year or so due to poor performance in winter and tire cost and so forth, all on lease. Parking is at property as there are few streets with lights on them in my area. Also our cities are way cleaner now than when I was a lad. In Glasgow early 80's my face was black coming back from school due to coal, steel, ships, industry etc. Compared to that pollution is minimal now as the coal and industry is long gone....well for now.
I like the idea of EV's, as a town car and local journeys only tho........
Range anxiety, what range anxiety!?
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Having had a plug in Hybrid and now a full electric car the Only way forward is a Plug in hybrid with a 200 mile range at the very least.Nothing else works and for most people that would be a liveable compromise.Keep up the good work buddy you’re telling the truth.
I just brought a 23 year old Yaris for £700 for my son to learn to drive on. I I’m not sure how spending £40k on some ugly dollop of Electric SUV is either greener or makes more financial sense than that !
I had to make a trip from the Midlands to London yesterday at very short notice. I jumped into my car, loaded the boot with half a dozen packages, and went to the petrol station. 6 minutes later with a full tank I set off. Just under 5 hours later I was home, having covered 315 miles at an average of 41 mpg at an average driving speed of 65 mph. the only stops were to unload and a drive though coffee shop. Somehow I think I would still be charging in an EV.
If you had an EV and the battery was 80% full when you left, you could have done the same journey with a short charging stop of 20-30 minutes, or even less in something like a Tesla model 3.
Keep the electric car videos coming mate I love them 😂❤️
I just did (got home an hour ago! 🤣) 1000 miles in a week on a roadtrip around the lakes (from south Cheshire).
Almost no chargers in cumbria at all, (so I had to do a little extra research )yet every time I stopped to eat, the car was pinging me to say it was charged and ready to go before I was ordered, eaten and ready to go.
That has been my experience and my car has a 240 mile range (BMW IX40) at this time of year (I have heat on or AC as I would in any car… comfort comes first!).
So far (7,000 miles in), I am preferring it to my previous 3litre diesel X5 (£500 per month in diesel 😳😳).
Caravans and EV’s are a non starter at present… it’s not the reduced range, it is the infrastructure again as you would have to unhitch and leave your caravan somewhere to use a charger… a gross inconvenience! Wouldn’t touch an EV for towing as things are now.
Car fires (the stats say that driving around with 20 gallons of petrol is vastly higher fire risk (specially in crashes).
I'll be towing my caravan with my i4 in August, down to Cornwall. 311 miles for us. WIll be stopping to charge 3 times, for roughly 30 to 40 mins each time. Yes, I'll have to unhitch, but it doesn't bother me. I've already gotten over that mental hurdle, before I start. Things are only a problem, if you make them a problem. So it will take us roughly 1 hour longer, as we already make 2 stops in the diesel for fuel, food, toilets etc.
I'm a cabinet maker and deliver display cabinets all over the UK in my VW Caddy Van. The van is a diesel with a 57LT tank and it's getting on a bit, I bought it new back in 2004 and it's covered 239000 miles now. I live in Nottingham, so not that far from Mansfield and If I drive sensibly at around 60mph / 65mph on the motorways I can get to Glasgow and back on a tank of diesel with a little to spare. I can do Nottingham to Inverness and back on around a tank and three quarters, again with some to spare, and this is with heated seat on, climate control in use, radio etc. Electric vehicles will have to come a long way before I would consider having one, I just could'nt be bothered with all the faffing around looking for charging points and then having to wait ages for the vehicle to charge up....My vans a bit like me, not much to look at, but dependable!
It's not electric cars that need to come a long way, Si, it's the charging infrastructure that is the main problem. That said, electric van manufacturers are concentrating on last mile deliveries rather than long-distance haulers.
would you consider getting an Electric Vehicle
if say 2 countries go to war over access to diminishing fresh water
due to Man Made Global Climate Change,
and say one of those countries gets military assistance from
either the US or EU or UK, and the other country gets military assistance
from Russia, China or North Korea,
thus putting the entire Planet on the verge of WW3,
OR maybe yer dont wanna think of stuff like THAT potentially happening.
(Google "potential water conflicts due to Climate Change")
@@organickevinlondon What's your point?
Are you saying that electricity wouldn't be available (affected by the whole global supply chain)?
Are you saying that components from China will mean that EVs can't be made (most ICE cars use parts from China).
Or are you saying that EVs help reduce Climate Change?
@@alanwakeman3741 I'm implying that EVERY Human Being has a duty to reduce their carbon/ecological footprint, in order to postpone/prevent irreparable direct/indirect damage being done to the only Planet in the known Universe that sustains life as we know it.(over its entire lifespan, including its manufacture an EV has a lower carbon/ecological footprint than an equivalent ICE vehicle)
@Alan Wakeman If all transport transitioned to electric power, it would help reduce carbon emissions and help reduce climate change a little, but more importantly, it would reduce localised air pollution that takes many lives each year.
In reality farming and in particular livestock and dairy farming creates a great deal more CO2 and methane, which is a far more potent GHG. Getting people to change their eating habits is going to be a far greater challenge than getting them to dump the pump.
I like to think I created a friendship here 😂 I messaged Jeff Buy's Car's and mentioned you when he covered the dangers of EV's. I think you owe me a Haggis Supper 😂
Hi I’ve been really poorly for several weeks and watching your channel has kept me smiling so thank you x😊
Hope you are feeling better Jayne x
@@TheMacMaster I am now thank you but only just as going on a Caribbean cruise on Thursday with Marella my first time with them but you should give them a go they serve YORKSHIRE TEA 😀
I am so worried about getting forced off my company to having a EV car that I am receiving in May. I do travelling up and down the UK and my anxiety is through the roof about charging this thing and not running out of juice on the motorways. Thanks for another great vid Lee
Take an extended lunch and use the excuse of charging the EV.
Just think of the BIK savings.
One thing - if you are on motorways you have the best chance of finding chargers! It’s cross country that’s the big problem. Does your company operate a scheme where you can give back their car and use your own and claim mileage? Or of course keep running out of juice and turning up late everywhere and blame the crappy EV
You'd be better getting a new job.
I hope your company gives you a decent EV with a decent range, as there are many on the market today. A Tesla is still the best choice because of its supercharger network, and you can also use pretty much every other type of public charger apart from ChaDaMo, which only a few brands use anyway. Benefit in kind is 2% for most EVs whereas its 15% for a low emissions ICE, so there's a huge benefit there.
I got an EV because of tax reasons, I do a lot of mileage and I would have to say it’s the most stressful thing in my life at the moment.
Petrol is the future !!!!! Diesel is the past mistake of the gov , E V for the city .... so I think hybrid is a must 👍👍👍👍👍👓👓👓👓🛞🛞🛞🛞 great content
As a diesel van owner, z4 owner and a cyclist. I commute 9 miles between 2 small towns. Now town 1 has 4 chargers in town, and 5 on the out skirts. On my journey between the two towns I pass 2 chargers. However I counted all the cars I pass in town passed on the side of the road. In the 3 miles of urban riding I pass about 180 cars parked on the road that couldn’t be chargerd without trailing cables across the pavements.
Oh and I am a caravaner my vito drops from 32 to the gallon to 28mpg pulling my 1800kg 28 ft caravan. The bmw ix pulling a similar caravan had its range drop from 300miles to 120ish.
My 435d dropped from around 40mpg to 22 when towing my 1450kg caravan.
@@Smith_Tech_70 depends how fast you drive I just trundle around at 55 it makes very little different to my van. In fact my vabs worse in traffic than towing a caravan
Lee, may I also add the fact that in the rural areas away from the big cities there is no scope for charging EVs.
Very true
You drive the fastest milk-cart in Mansfield. They’re a con & for them to be widely used need fast charging stations at every petrol station & the charging stations need to be super fast 10 minutes or so. Great video as usual. 😊
I used to drive a milk float 40years ago why would I want to make the same mistake again???
I've known for years that EV is about control and nothing about inviroment. I drive a Audi S4 Diesel. 700 nm torque and 40+ to the gallon. With zero range anxiety 😂
i was shocked when i saw a program on the mineing that gose on for stuff that the makeing of batterys need
Lithium I think. Many die mining the stuff on a weekly basis. Earning next to nothing.
You were lucky on this trip Lee with chargers. In previous videos you've had to drive to another charging point, adding to your range anxiety, because all the chargers were already in use or not working, despite your app telling you they were functioning.
Old school are always right your lovely mum got it spot on x
You are absolutely spot on, the problems with HGV the batteries would have to way ten tonnes.
The Tesla Semi battery weighs 2.3 tons and gives it a range of 500 miles fully laden. Many well-known truck manufacturers are now building fully electric trucks for both local delivery and long haul
the Tesla semi my battery actually weighs 6 tons and does not have a range of 500 miles.
@David Heslop The Tesla Semi has a 1,000 kWh battery, and Tesla Semi batteries have an energy density of 275wH/kg, making 2.75 metric tonnes. However, the whole pack actually weighs 3.636 metric tonnes, so where you got the '6 ton' figure from, I have no idea. Verified tests have shown it can do 500 miles carrying a 38 tonnes payload.
@David Heslop Apologies, the 300-mile range Tesla Semi has a 2.3 tonne battery, and the larger 500-mile range Semi has a battery weighing 3.636 tonnes. My mistake
Great vlog as usual Lee. .You’re really grasping what is happening and what lays ahead now. Looking forward to your meet with Geoff buys cars, he’s well clued up. Unless we halt this madness of net zero, climate bullshit, your channel will be reduced to walking to all the restaurants in a 15 min radius and munching on witchetty grubs, crunchy on the outside, soft in the middle
Enjoyable video again Lee - these London based politicians who want us on public transport should come and live in the countryside where it's virtually non existent, without a vehicle we would be stranded.
Haha, at least the birth rate would fall as tractors don't have the range 🤣🤣🤣
The best thing about Electric HGV's is that the driver will NEVER overrun on the Tacho, simply because they would have to stop and charge every two hours and the battery will take around four hours or more to charge. That'll add to the cost of haulage
I'm an ex international trucker, so I know my stuff,
the Government will simply increase the legal weight of HGVs,
(as they did from 38 to 40 tons and from 40 tons to 44 tons),
to 48 tons and then shove a 4 ton EV battery into trailers,
to give a maximum daily driving time, of 10 hours,
and a 15 hour charge up time, as per the drivers rest hours laws,
Great points made through out it’s clear that the future is not as straightforward as we are being led to believe. Thank you for providing us with this excellent work.
Absolutely spot on Lee... they can switch you off and have total control. Like micro chipping...50yrs from now it'll be in. It's like smart electric metres... it's not about so you can watch what you're spending in electric so you can turn a light off... it's so yet again you can be switched off by a push of a button. The mining for cobalt in the congo is a disgrace and loads of deaths. They don't tell you that!!!! Thankyou for bringing it up
I really think you should look up the many uses of cobalt before making such mindless claims. The use of child labour in illegal artisan mines to be sold on the black market is a disgrace and if their parents weren't so poor they'd send them to school rather than to earn 50p a day mining cobalt with their bare hands. It's poverty that kills people, not cobalt. So the next time you fill up your car with petrol or diesel, spare a thought for the poor people, as the oil industry has been using cobalt to remove sulphur from its products for decades.
@@FullFact548
Ok thanks for that
I say this every time Lee - filled my car up with diesel today - took all of 10 mins and range went from 207 to 642 miles - all the energy cost of assembling my car was cast out into the environment - why is it better for the environment for me to buy a brand new EV?
All politicians drive armour plated Range Rovers that are so heavy they will only return single figure diesel MPG's and if Sunak leaves London its by private jet
It's not just full BEVs. People think that Hybrids are the best bet.......however, the cost of replacing the Hybrid battery is extortionate. I was looking through some prices on line yesterday and they range from £2k for a Fiesta mild hybrid battery and up to £15k for a Mercedes C class Hybrid........and those prices didn't include the removal of the old and fitting the new one. Some manufacturers aren't making their prices available. Apparently, if the battery does fail, you can't just remove it and drive solely using the engine and the 12v battery because the hybrid battery is a part of the drivetrain. As the first owner with the warranty you'll be covered, but who will want a used one with an uncertain battery life.
My Lexus LS600HL Hybrid battery is 15 years old and so far, I don't need a replacement but when I do, the dealer wants about £4K to replace it. There are a few dozens aftermarket companies that sell replacement Hybrid batteries for about half of what the dealer charges. I am sure I will eventually need it but at least Toyota batteries last a very long time.
Saw a video on TH-cam yesterday from a guy whose Tesla Model S battery developed a fault after more than 8 years and 160k miles of driving. Tesla checked the battery and said it needed replacing, and as the car was out of warranty, he would have to pay out of his own pocket. Considering the age of the car, Tesla replaced his battery with a refurbished one (batteries can be repaired). That cost under £10k and included a 4 year 50k miles warranty.
Hi Lee. Hope you enjoy here in Glasgow. Looking forward to watching. 🥰🌞🥰Xxx
Hey Lee, great vid, the ev debate around enviromentally friendly is not about re-cycling but emissions, which are zero for the car, how your electric is generated is also another matter 🙂
I agree, Liam, except electric generation is getting cleaner year on year as we adopt more renewable power. Data confirms that, collectively, renewable and nuclear energy generation arrays accounted for more than 48.5% of all electricity generated in Great Britain during 2022. This is the second-highest proportion on record, with only 2020 topping it.
Gas remained the main single source of electricity generation during the year, nonetheless. Gas-fired power plants accounted for 38.5% of generation. However, coal’s share decreased to 1.5%. For context, its share in 2012 was 43%.
Wind accounted for 26.8% of the generation mix in 2022. The ESO has confirmed that last year was the first year in which wind arrays provided more than 20GW of electricity to the nation within a single day, on 3 November 2022. The record was broken again, with 20.918GW from wind, on 30 December 2022.
@@FullFact548 excellent info.
@@liammccartan4825 My pleasure, Liam 👍
Hi - Great video. I agree with Toby earlier. I regularly trug up to the Midlands (Mansfield) from Devon and the M5 is not happy hunting ground for EV's - they look like an endengered species. But go to a business hotel and car park is full of them. Why - because the carrot is to give wealthy businessmen - who were used to paying 4K tax as benefit in kind - but for an EV is negligible. We have food banks and the idelogy of the government is to give wealthy people rebates. But the stick is coming as EV sales are down - so the government is going to restrict sales of ICE until 2030 - true - its ZEV. So what next in the peoples republic of Britain - restricting your food, cigarettes etc. We have to fight back and tell them this is a democracy. Keep it up Mac. Love your bit re Sunak - ask Schapps why he flies a private plane - registered in USA!!
EVs are for the wealthy? The ones you see at business hotels most likely belong reps using the car for work. Businesses are using more and more EVs, not for the 2% BIK as it's the driver who benefits from that, but because their running costs are so much less than an ICE car. That's why more taxi firms are using them as well. For private motorists, EVs are getting cheaper, and there are now lots of great used EVs for sale as well.
As for lobbying the government and taking back control, it's too late. The fossil fuel lobby has that already sewn up. People talk as if moves toward net zero is something new when in reality the first climate agreement was signed by John Major in 1992, so the electorate have had 30 years to voice their protests. In real terms little has been done. Air pollution is killing our citizens with motor transport as the primary cause. Builders are still building inefficient homes. Government proposals to end the fitting of gas boilers in new homes were scrapped after pressure from boiler manufacturers and the gas industry. 30 wasted years where successive governments have put the economy before the environment, instead building a green economy and improve the lives of everyone in the UK
Sales of new EVs increased by 40% last year in the UK, with the Tesla Model Y being the best selling car of all sectors in December. Are you sure sales are down?
Lee, yet another informative and great vlog on the state of EVs and EV charging in the UK.
I would love to see you do a trip throughout, Germany, to check out their EV charging system and a comparative to the UKs.
Also, a food vlog in Germany also. Thankyou.😊
German guy, Tesla Model S, 1 million miles clocked all around Europe and to China and back
I watched a video about towing a large caravan with a large 4x4 EV BMW. The battery life was reduced to half despite being limited to 50mph.
I do 10000 miles for £175 a year in my electric car. Choose the right car and you don't have high bills or servicing costs. Can do 200 miles between charging no problem.
Hi Macmaster. Loving your channel and your rants. I have a confession I'm a Tesla Y owner but before you burn me a the stake I want to agree with you. I absolutely love the model Y but I don't do long mileage and rarely charge other than at home. You are right the infrastructure is simply not there to use EV's if you are travelling around the country. It's nonsense that there is not one uniform charging network. The government need to get a grip. EV's are not suitable for everyone and until they can get the charging network sorted they never will be. I guess I need to go to church now for some hell mary's.
Lol. 😂 tbh Tesla software and infrastructure is in a different league. Love the software. 👍🏼
Instead off trying to push normal people to buy EVs why doesn't the government go after the rich and they're private jets
What, and bite off the hand that feeds you!? 😊
Great to hear you are on your way up here😊. Hope you make it to my recommendation Mactassos! It's a "Mac"🕶
Keep the shows coming mate, love it
Hi it was lovely meeting you today at the Roadchef in Hamilton Scotland, and for the Latte 😁
Hey You too. Hope you enjoyed the Costa. :0) x
The Only Electric Car For Me is a Scalextric
Barry, you'll need two, one for each foot 😅
Your correct Lee. BMW are working with Toyota on Hydrogen fuel cell technology for combustion engines. The emissions are H2o. Also several companies are developing synthetic diesel and petrol fuels to work with combustion engines. The emissions are very low.
Another fantastic show Lee thankyou, can you see a 40 tonn electric truck running low on charge going up a hill, lol
If we all said no and nobody got one that would be the end of it, you’ve hit the nail on the head.Great video.
When the oil runs out because nobody wants to invest in fossil fuel anymore people will be queueing up to buy them. 7.2 million people around the world did last year alone
I love your anti EV rants! I’ve got an MG4 and get a dependable 200 miles out of it in winter, 250 in summer and I’ve had very few public charging problems. At home, it’s charged using mostly solar panels. At fear of being trolled unmercifully, I predict the move to electric vehicles is ineluctable. I loved my diesel @13 year old Golf TDI GT but it emitted nitrous oxides, co2, and PM 2.5 particulates together with mega costs to look after and fuel. Yes it continues to do so with the new owner but I decided to go for a cheaper to drive, lower maintenance, les polluting vehicle. My choice and I’m not suggesting anyone else has to do the same thing. I enjoy your channel. Thank you.
It is just as polluting as a petrol or diesel car…….the problem is people listen to the hype and manufacturers lies
@@timlowe3081 what’s your source for this Tim?
@@michaelketley1252 I have a number of sources but a nice explanation is in this, it is super interesting
th-cam.com/video/S1E8SQde5rk/w-d-xo.html
A very well balanced and valid review my friend. I don't hate EVs, I hate the motive behind them. I think they make great sense in cities especially removing diesels off the roads. I'd drive a hydrogen car tomorrow.
@TIm Lowe Tim. The oil industry and automotive industry, particularly in America, have been lying through the backs of their teeth for almost 5 decades now. Exxon employed scientists in the mid 1970s to research the effect of oil exploration and refining on the environment, and the report the scientists gave them in 1983 made grim reading. They knew then that burning oil was unsustainable and damaging to the climate and hushed it up. We know this because those same scientists testified at a US senate hearing 3 years ago. They knew that greenhouse gas emissions would exceed 400ppm and carried on as normal. US automakers such as General Motors and Ford also knew the exhaust produced by their cars was damaging to both the environment and human health, and still goes on today. Look at the 2015 VW diesel emissions scandal or, more recently, Toyota being caught doing the same, lying about emissions and fuel economy. Those are the real lies, not claims that EVs are better for the environment, which research proves they are, by the way. Those executives who decided to bury the truth about fossil fuels should be in jail for their crimes
I know someone who got a Nissan Leaf for his wife last year, along with loads of solar panels fitted to the house, with the summer we had he kept saying how brilliant it was and that he was going to trade his car in for an electric car. Anyway, saw him again recently and asked if his electric car had arrived yet, he told me that he’d cancelled the order and they decided to keep his, as for long journeys and through the winter the Leaf was a nightmare.
I don't drive and have no interest in cars but I do like your EV videos.
I love your vlogs. I am an occasional EV user, and I belong to the Co-Wheels community. Great idea. I have experienced the issues you have talked about. Children allegedly mining cobalt may be the sole wage earner in a family.
EV pollution is because of the extra weight; there is more asbestos and rubber dust pollution in the air in the air.
My friend has a ev and says whenever he's in Scotland the local youths are ever so helpful and offer to look after the car whilst im away 😊
Imagine a service station with only fuel for lorry’s with charging points just for cars, the queues and time would be unimaginable and the grid system would shut down….
Imagine the queues for petrol when there’s a sudden shortage of petrol tanker drivers because of Brexit and lifting Covid restrictions exacerbated by panic buying .As actually happened in October 2021.
"charge when you can, not when you have to" I have heard this before and this is one of the many reasons why they are not environmentally friendly or clean. With a combustion engine you can fill up with fuel, do 50 miles to get home, then park up. Leave it for 10 hours doing nothing and then the next day do 20 miles, and then do the same again, park up, leave it and do more miles the following days until you again need fuel. In all those hours parked up the car has used no energy or created no pollution. Yet with a EV, "charge up when you can not when you have to" they charge them up, go home and then charge up again. They do their next journey and then when they park up, they charge again. They keep doing this. So every time the car is parked it's using energy to charge and creating pollution. Let's imagine if everyone had a EV and was doing this, EVs are a huge disaster in the making.
Other thing is, if you are trying to be environmentally friendly and/or you are trying to keep up value of the EV...
be good to the Lithium battery, drive it until it gets down to 20%, charge it when it gets to 80% and try to charge it when it is not too hot out so you don't overheat the battery. I know a guy who bought a used Tesla but found the battery was not holding charge for very long so he sold it. Probably those Tesla fast chargers beat on the battery. Ideally you trickle charge as well... this is all a pain but if you care for the environment you will want that battery to last a long time also remember at the moment there are exploitative labor practices to get the Lithium and Cobalt for the battery, plus the way they mine it is really bad for the environment. If you really care about the environment you should probably get a small simple 4 cylinder Internal Combustion car and drive it for 400,000 miles, then you don't have to deal with Range Anxiety or wearing out special tires or 5,000 degree F battery fires that are difficult to put out.
You obviously have no idea how much energy is consumed by the oil and gas industry to provide petrol and diesel. Currently, 6-8% of commercially used energy globally is used by the oil and gas industry. Then, of course, you have the environmental impact of the industry with 216 confirmed oil spills since 1903 or 1.8 a year. Add to that the 8 million air pollution deaths a year, not all from oil granted, and the enormous cost in healthcare costs, lost productivity, and premature deaths. There is verified research that proves that an EV driven only on power from coal still produces fewer harmful emissions than a traditional ICE vehicle through its lifetime
Didn't volvo do a report saying EVs had to be driven 70000 miles or 9 years to offset the higher production emissions . Considering the amount of used cars for sale at this age with less mileage then if these were EVs it would mean they never would offset the production emissions. Also what about the pollution coming from all the work involved in installing all the charging points and the pollution from battery fires. I actually have no problem with EVs if they were not being forced through and new combustion engines banned. I think the cleanest most environmentally friendly thing would be to allow all to be made so there isn't a sole reliance on one thing. Combustion engines would continue to get cleaner and more fuel efficient, there wouldn't be a need to install millions of charging points, there wouldn't be a sole reliance on China, Imagine something happens with china and every car in the country being made has a sole reliance on China, 95% of Tesla parts are from china and most battery production is from china. They could bring every country to its knees if they wanted to.
@TableTopTurd Concerns about China have some merit, and yes, numerous car manufacturers use Chinese parts or are built in China, including Tesla, Polestar, and BMW. But, on the other hand, so does pretty much every other electronic and mobile device on the planet. The UK imported £63 billion worth of Chinese goods last year alone.
As for CO2 payback times, that really depends on how clean the electricity is used in production and driving. In other words, electricity from renewable sources will repay more quickly than from gas or coal. It is, of course, true that China uses a lot of coal to produce electricity, but it is also true that China is switching to renewables at an amazing rare.
China, the largest car market in the world, is also the biggest EV market. The city of Shenzhen has 16,000 electric buses and 22,000 electric taxis, and a population of 12.5 million people. China, in recent years, has also built 38k km of high-speed electric railway to run bullet trains.
Whilst China is the world's largest polluter in gross terms, because of its vast 1.4 billion population, it produces half the GHG per capita as the US, Canada, Australia, and all of the gulf states.
@TableTopTurd The problem with combustion engines is that while they have improved and become more efficient over time, such improvements are minimal now, whereas battery technology is improving rapidly. Once a possible market was demonstrated, interest and investment flooded in. It pains me to say, but you have Elon Musk to thank (or blame) for that.
When you mentioned about how the price of EV had plummeted I thought of the Geoff buys cars video as I came across his channel just last week so was surprised you brought him up and think a collaboration will be great viewing. As for evangelists you are spot on no matter how many good arguments or points you have they always an answer...but EV isn't the answer. Petrol ped did a towing video, halfed the range and you have to unhitch the van to charge
James May said: 'just think of all the battery powered things you have...they're either flat, or going flat'. OK, fuel is burnt, but it's a quick 3 minute refill. I hoped Hydrogen would have taken off more, the only by product is water. Edit: the trucks drive at their limit, about 56mph through the 50's roadworks, all speedo's under -read, so an indicated 58mph through the average speed cams (actually about 54) is fine, been doing it for years 🙂
I have a electric motorbike ,I love it ,with electric cars there's always gonna be positives and negatives ,as a truck driver ,I can't see electric lorry's on the road but I heard they are trialing a few out ,because some are work horses out on the road 24/7 ,the only thing I have negative when I'm riding my electric bike is the people can't hear you coming around the corner ,,great vid 🚗
How do you charge with a caravan hitched up? They don't give you room at these charging stations and alot choose to reverse park. I've not been to many places with chargers but the ones at Peterborough services are in the worst possible place and just block the whole place up with people queuing to use them so no cars can get through. Do they provide somewhere to leave your caravan while you join the queue? I dread the summer holidays in year's to come if you're travelling long distance. It's bad enough already. Onwards...while you can!😂
That is one thing I have always stated from day one of EV's because 99.9% of the chargers are car park space design. Not just caravan owners either that will suffer as there are many other trades like construction/farm/garden machinery dealers who usually tow machinery around the country on trailers, catering companies tow their mobile catering units, owners of boats usually trailer them to the harbours if they store them elsewhere and also there are those who courier new and used cars to owners who wish to buy their cars online on trailers.
Great honest video's 👍
I do suddenly have a craving for fish and chips 🤣
Nearly all the lorry manufacturers are offering electric versions of rigids and artics. The company I work for had an 18ton rigid on trial for a while. There are quite a few companies already running electric lorries and vans. Amazon have alot of electric vans.
No lorries, do share a link and vans are doing 300 miles max
@@jimharvey9552 What do you mean 'no lorries'? Scania, Volvo, Renault, Mercedes etc. are all doing Electric lorries. As I have already said, the company I work for had an electric Renault truck on trial. Warburtons bakery already have Renault electric trucks on their fleet. th-cam.com/video/IDJ0hFRPN8g/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/SL4q3HroFF8/w-d-xo.html there are loads of vlogs about them here on TH-cam.
Don't forget PepsiCo's order for 100 Tesla Semi trucks
Thanks for enlightening me to the truths of EVs as was thinking about making the switch. Will stick with my 2 litre diesel for now with ~600 mile range.
Graham. Please read this
As we breathe, the toxic gases and small particles of diesel exhaust are drawn into the lungs. The microscopic particles in diesel exhaust are less than one-fifth the thickness of a human hair and are small enough to penetrate deep into the lungs, where they contribute to a range of health problems.
Diesel exhaust and many individual substances contained in it (including arsenic, benzene, formaldehyde and nickel) have the potential to contribute to mutations in cells that can lead to cancer. In fact, long-term exposure to diesel exhaust particles poses the highest cancer risk of any toxic air contaminant evaluated by OEHHA. ARB estimates that about 70 percent of the cancer risk that the average Californian faces from breathing toxic air pollutants stems from diesel exhaust particles.
In its comprehensive assessment of diesel exhaust, OEHHA analyzed more than 30 studies of people who worked around diesel equipment, including truck drivers, railroad workers and equipment operators. The studies showed these workers were more likely to develop lung cancer than workers who were not exposed to diesel emissions. These studies provide strong evidence that long-term occupational exposure to diesel exhaust increases the risk of lung cancer. Using information from OEHHA's assessment, ARB estimates that diesel-particle levels measured in California's air in 2000 could cause 540 "excess" cancers (beyond what would occur if there were no diesel particles in the air) in a population of 1 million people over a 70-year lifetime. Other researchers and scientific organizations, including the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, have calculated cancer risks from diesel exhaust that are similar to those developed by OEHHA and ARB.
Exposure to diesel exhaust can have immediate health effects. Diesel exhaust can irritate the eyes, nose, throat and lungs, and it can cause coughs, headaches, lightheadedness and nausea. In studies with human volunteers, diesel exhaust particles made people with allergies more susceptible to the materials to which they are allergic, such as dust and pollen. Exposure to diesel exhaust also causes inflammation in the lungs, which may aggravate chronic respiratory symptoms and increase the frequency or intensity of asthma attacks.
Diesel engines are a major source of fine-particle pollution. The elderly and people with emphysema, asthma, and chronic heart and lung disease are especially sensitive to fine-particle pollution. Numerous studies have linked elevated particle levels in the air to increased hospital admissions, emergency room visits, asthma attacks and premature deaths among those suffering from respiratory problems. Because children's lungs and respiratory systems are still developing, they are also more susceptible than healthy adults to fine particles. Exposure to fine particles is associated with increased frequency of childhood illnesses and can also reduce lung function in children.
Like all fuel-burning equipment, diesel engines produce nitrogen oxides, a common air pollutant in California. Nitrogen oxides can damage lung tissue, lower the body's resistance to respiratory infection and worsen chronic lung diseases, such as asthma. They also react with other pollutants in the atmosphere to form ozone, a major component of smog.
Electric car video's are the best ,your doing a public service
100% with you on the TH-cam premium, I did a months free trial a few years ago and been a subscriber ever since. As for long distance HGV trips I would like to see hydrogen explored more due to it's light weight and quick fuelling. JCB has already developed hydrogen engines for it's range of diggers.
Hyundai Construction have also done similar and created a Hydrogen fuelled internal combustion engine for their machines
Hyundai already have hydrogen lorries in production in South Korea - exciting times
Caterpillar in Australia is supplying 100% electric quarrying trucks with a 265-ton payload. Hyundai also makes a range of electric trucks in addition to hydrogen. JCB has also made electric diggers in the UK. Electric plant and trucks are already in use in Norway and Sweden. Future transportation is likely to use a variety of different fuels, but electricity is far cheaper to produce than hydrogen and makes more economic and environmental sense.
Luckily I brought a 2l skoda octavia, was thinking of getting a Nissan leaf at some point. After seeing all your problems with electric cars I will definitely be keeping my diesel i can get 60mpg on a long run. Looking forward to the food reviews in Blackpool. Control it probably is. 😊
Get yourself a petrol Mazda 3 e skyactiv x 2.0L, I have seen over 64mpg on a long run so you don't have to even go diesel for good economy.
Fantastic Lee. What a journey. As if driving ain’t stressful enough. Hope you had a good nights sleep.
Lee. I was arguing with my friend the other day about electric cars. Mentioned the range difference in winter and summer.That you mentioned. He sells New BMW. He said . There is a setting where you can pre condition the batteries for winter. When charging. You get the same mileage then. Might help you out while you are counting down the days of binning it.😁👍
I took my Q4 to loch lomond from Nottingham and stopped at Scotch Corner Gridserve, Ionity gretna, Fastned Hamilton, Ionity gretna and gridserve wheterby.
Ionity gave me a free charge going as their app didn’t unlock the charger but that was busy both times. Wetherby had a massive superhub of chargers.
Destinations such as hotels are my issue, they are not the same price as home chargers and then limit you to 8 hours before an overstay fee meaning if you want to charge overnight it’s pointless. Rapid chargers are expensive though.
You asked how many miles on an 16 year old diesel van, 400 per 10 minute fill up. I may get a semi EV i.e. a highbred, but I haven't look at it yet. If I don't like it I will be going for my original choice a 4x4 euro 6 diesel.
The problem with diesel engines is that they produce toxic fumes from combustion that are quite literally killing people. Is that worth the 10 minute fill-up?
as a truck driver , driving from Mansfield to Glasgow regular it takes 7 hours and that includes a 45 min break
delivering 28 ton and reloading,night out it takes on average 110-120 ltrs of derv and 23 hours in total
Think about a long trip in Australia, or any other large country. Buzzing around Europe is bad enough, trying to cover a thousand kilometres in a day would be sheer drudgery!
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Is that £15.99 for a year ?
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When towing a Caravan are they going to build special charging points or do you have to unhitch your caravan first🤨
In Norway, the world's largest EV market per capita, the answer is yes. In the UK, under the current regime, who knows!?
@@FullFact548 Why would anyone want to tow a caravan? A hotel is much better.
@Richard Lock Don't let the caravan fraternity say that. You'll get lynched 😂
I totally agree with you about TH-cam premium. Excellent with no adverts. I reckon TH-cam music is better than Apple Music as well!!
A quick note about hydrogen. Hydrogen molecules are small and can easily leak if precautions aren't taken. Hydrogen tanks need replacing every 12 years and are wrapped in kevlar tape to help protect against damage. HFC cars also have lithium ion batteries and electric motors. The Toyota Mirai weighs approximately the same as an equivalent sized Tesla Model 3 @ 1900kg and is far less efficient
FullFact why are you here commenting on TH-cam ? should you not be out driving your so called fantastic electric car, eating Vegan peace crisps and hugging trees ?
we have 3 cars at home. leaf ,v8 camaro and a kia ceed. for to and from town we always take the leaf. for what we bought it for it's brilliant. dry summers days i take my v8 camaro.
for daily to and from work driving ev's cant be beat. 2 quid to fully charge it for 150 miles. awesome car
Here is some information about hydrogen production.
Green Hydrogen:
Green hydrogen is made by using clean electricity from renewable energy sources, such as solar or wind power, to electrolyze water. Electrolysers use an electrochemical reaction to split water into its components of hydrogen and oxygen, emitting zero-carbon dioxide in the process.
Green hydrogen currently makes up a small percentage of the overall hydrogen, because production is very expensive. Just as energy from wind power has reduced in price, green hydrogen will come down in price as it becomes more common.
Blue Hydrogen:
Blue hydrogen is produced mainly from natural gas, using a process called steam reforming, which brings together natural gas and heated water in the form of steam. The output is hydrogen - but also carbon dioxide as a by-product. That means carbon capture and storage (CCS) is essential to trap and store this carbon.
Blue hydrogen is sometimes described as ‘low-carbon hydrogen’ as the steam reforming process doesn’t actually avoid the creation of greenhouse gases.
Grey Hydrogen:
Grey hydrogen is created from natural gas, or methane, using steam methane reformation but without capturing the greenhouse energy made in the process.
Currently, this is the most common form of hydrogen production.
There is also a gasification process that uses coal as a feedstock, creating brown hydrogen, which also releases carbon dioxide and can be put in the same category as grey. The process used to create hydrogen from natural gas is called steam methane reforming (SMR), where high-temperature steam (700°C-1,000°C) is used to produce hydrogen from a methane source, such as natural gas.
Brown and Black Hydrogen:
Brown hydrogen (made from brown coal) and black hydrogen (made from black coal) are produced through gasification.
These black and brown hydrogen are the absolute opposite of green hydrogen in the hydrogen spectrum and the most environmentally damaging. Any hydrogen made from fossil fuels through the process of ‘gasification’ is called black or brown hydrogen.
It’s a process used in many industries that converts carbon-rich materials into hydrogen and carbon dioxide. As a result, gasification releases those by-products into the atmosphere.
White Hydrogen:
White hydrogen is a naturally occurring geological hydrogen found in underground deposits and created through fracking. Fracking is the process of drilling down into the earth before a high-pressure water mixture is directed at the rock to release the gas inside. Water, sand, and chemicals are injected into the rock at high pressure which allows the gas to flow out to the head of the well.
It is mostly found in gaseous form.
Turquoise Hydrogen:
A new contender is turquoise hydrogen, this is called because the method of synthesizing it is regarded as sitting somewhere between green and blue hydrogen production.
This is a new entry in the hydrogen colour charts and production has yet to be proven at scale.
Turquoise hydrogen is made using a process called methane pyrolysis to produce hydrogen and solid carbon. Methane splitting is not a new concept, and a few commercial-scale plants already exist in North America.
The process uses natural gas purely as a feedstock, with all energy for heating and splitting methane coming from electricity. So if the electricity is sourced from renewable energy, the whole process is basically carbon neutral.
So, at the moment large scale Hydrogen production from environmental sources is not possible yet.
I heard an industry expert recently say that the UK would have to scale up its offshore wind fleet by 10 times to produce enough green hydrogen to power the UK transport fleet.
The trouble is they are not climate friendly. I say this because I normally change vehicles every 3 to 4 yrs. My old car is then sold on probably 3 or 4 times over the next 10yrs before it’s scrapped. With an EV, once the leases come to an end a lot of these cars will have done 40000 miles or more. The dealers won’t be able sell second hand EVs because no one will trust the batteries. This is a reason for prices dropping. Nobody minds buying a petrol or diesel that’s done 80k or more. No one will buy the EVs at this mileage. Hence EVs will be scrapped after maybe 6 or 7 yrs. That’s not emission friendly
Takes 500,000 lbs of mineral ore to make the metals for a small EV battery
Quote your source please.
@@michaelketley1252 it’s all fact checked, look up the ultra trustworthy research power house at the Manhattan institute
It is not uncommon in mining terms to dig up 100 tons of rock to gain 1 ton of useable material, and that applies across the mining industry and not just EV batteries. Then, of course, there are the billions of NMC batteries using those same materials in phones, tablets, laptops, and every cordless power tool under the sun.
Thanks for giving us your source Tim. This, according to wiki, is a “right wing think tank” and it appears to be a proponent of climate denial. Its donors largely supporters of fossil fuels. I would argue that it might lack impartiality….. I fact checked your initial statement with AFP Fact check and they say “Social media posts shared repeatedly in Australia claim that "500,000 pounds (227 metric tonnes) of the earth's crust" is excavated to mine the materials for one electric car battery. This is misleading; experts said the posts exaggerated the amount of earth that would be excavated for one battery and that the environmental impact of electric vehicles was smaller than gasoline-powered cars”.
If you think your charging infrastructure is inadequate ,I live in Australia and we are also being forced into EV cars .If you put a map of Australia over the top of Europe, with the far less charging stations than the UK has you will see the problem here.I live in a small country town,No chargers and no EV cars here only the odd Tessla passing through looking in vain for a charger!.The distance you can travel here and see nobody or anything is mind boggling,run out of charge here and you can be in real trouble.
If every EV owner topped up charge each time they came across a charger it would mean that charging points would have a car at them more often. There are already not enough charging points. This tactic would mean that there would guaranteed to be a car on every point nearly all the time thus increasing charging waiting times.
Tom. The majority (up to 65%) could be charged at home while you sleep. Whilst certainly the current network is inadequate it will improve and we are likely to see chargers in car parks around the country, meaning it will be possible to charge whilst you are doing something else. There is already at least one company installing 7kW chargers in lamp posts and it is envisaged that eventually wireless induction charging will be widespread. With many EV's having a realistic 200 mile range there is no need to charge on a daily basis, in fact the average driver would only need to charge once or twice a week at most, unless doing a long trip
@@FullFact548 Hi. I do hope that what you say becomes true. I am about to take possession of a new plug in hybrid that I intend to charge at home which will be good for 35 miles on battery. Which will be plenty of milage for my day to day use. Until a full charging network becomes available I think plug in hybrids are a safer bet than a full EV. I have found that views are very polarised between those who either love or hate EVs. Perhaps this is because of political pressure to speed up the transition from petrol to electricity. May be in hindsight many will think that this transition has been implemented too quickly. Always keeping an eye on the prize which is reduction of atmospheric CO2 I can't help thinking that the UK is responsible for 1% of world CO2. So any measures that we in the UK put in place will have very little effect on world CO2. We as a world population will have to move all countries to battery powered vehicles and that will not happen anytime soon. But we have to start somewhere. Also I believe that climate change can not possibly be due to just CO2. There will be many variables in play. Why do we not hear about them?
Any way many thanks for your comments and as they say I'll await events unfolding with great interest.
@@tomthorp6980 No Tom, not just CO2, in fact it is probably the least damaging greenhouse gases. Methane is far worse, 28 times in fact, and warmer temperatures have melted permafrost in Siberia and Northern Canada releasing millions of tons of Methane. In my opinion and particularly from a local air pollution point of view CO2 is not so evil but however the sheer volume of it escaping into the upper atmosphere is having a greenhouse effect.
My beef about ICE vehicles and in particular diesels, is the pollution they create in our cities as they pump out noxious fumes linked to numerous diseases including cancer and leukaemia. I'm sure you will remember how much cleaner the air was during covid lockdowns. The air would be more like that if everyone either drove EVs or PHEVs as well as walking and cycling more. There's a good video on the fully charged show channel about the Dutch city of Ultrech where the majority of walk, cycle, or have switched to EVs and they have car parks covered with solar panels and chargers on every bay. All new buildings are extremely well insulated and run on green energy. It really shows what could be done with a little forward planning.
Hello Lee, l think your 100% right the miles you do its not practical, sure short journeys would be okay but at some point there will be a need for a long journey which you have shown in a nightmare. I expect you get 1000s of comments and people can be rude and somewhat disrespectful to a point of abuse. Your channel is superb keep it up Lee. Best wishes Patrick
Ha ha, I like your new cap 😂.
I'm off to Nottingham hospital on Monday but not in my wheelchair, going via ambulance to the QMC, with my tin foil hat on 😂😂, thanks for the video Lee 👍
Well Mr Davey another fantastic vlog and a surprise visit to my home town of Blackpool wish I had known as a busting to meet you but yep after a week of driving my new diesel powered van loving it but wished I had got the top of the range model but as I have mentioned in a previous vlog I will be hanging on to diesel power for as long as possible so absolutely love this vlog and more like this boss 😊 plus as a p.s i do watch quite a bit of TH-cam and do pay for premium and can wholly agree it’s brilliant and use the music bit too so would back you up on this
Geoff Buys Cars has done a great 2 part vid on how the 2nd Hand EV car values have tanked.
Doing a colab with him next week. 👍🏼
All used car sales have tanked, not just EV. The fact is there is a much larger number of used EVs on the market now, and the economics of supply and demand have come into play. This is entirely normal, with leases coming to their end and the cars being available for resale. The reality is that some EVs are selling at nearly new prices, even after 2 years and 15k on the clock
Petrol & diesel cars and depreciation
It’s been said for a long time that diesel cars hold their value better than their petrol counterparts. That’s because diesel engines generally last longer, are more fuel efficient and are said to be more reliable. But could this trend be set to change in the coming months and years?
There’s plenty of reasons to suggest so, with the UK Government banning the sales of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030 onwards. Plus, the recent outpouring of various emissions scandals surrounding some diesel engines have certainly harmed manufacturer’s reputations when it comes to claims on how ‘clean’ their diesel cars are. And with the world slowly becoming more eco-conscious, how much toxicity we’re pumping into the atmosphere can be a big deciding factor on whether we choose that type of engine or not.
On average, petrol & diesel cars depreciate by up to 60% of their original value, after three years and 36,000 miles of driving.
Don’t forget, if you’re an older petrol or diesel car driver in built up cities like London, you may be hit with ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zone) charges if your car doesn’t meet the required emissions standard for your area. Older diesel cars also produce more harmful exhaust fumes than older petrol ones. It’s good to note, that if you’re in one of these ULEZ areas, your petrol or diesel car may sell for a lot less than an electric one.
Some people still root for the diesel engine, though. They’re known to be better on fuel than petrol cars on consistent long journeys, as well as generally lasting a little longer too, with them being capable of much higher mileages before they break or become too cost-ineffective to repair. This means that right now, diesel cars don’t depreciate as fast as their petrol equivalents. But they’re catching up as the world moves on and don’t forget, they’re still more expensive to buy than petrol cars in the first place.

Electric cars and depreciation
The simple fact of that matter is that modern EVs hold their value far better, depreciating a lot less than modern petrol or diesel cars.
On average, electric cars depreciate by up to 50% of their original value, after three years and 36,000 miles of driving.
Some electric cars in particular hold their value far better than similarly sized and priced ICE cars. The Vauxhall Corsa, for example, can be optioned with a petrol or diesel engine, or electric motor in the form of the Corsa-e. The Corsa-e is said to hold its value 2-3% better than the petrol variants.
What are the slowest depreciating electric cars in 2023?
Auto Express magazine have recorded the top ten slowest depreciating cars in the UK, with three EVs making the list: the Volkswagen ID.Buzz, Porsche Taycan and MG4.
After three years and 36,000 zero emission miles, it’s said they’ll hold 70.1%, 69.3% and 66.5% of their original values respectively. That’s pretty good going when compared to their ICE siblings.
Geoff buys cars is a brilliant channel..as you say he talks sense which is a rarity these days..thankyou for giving him a plug..
One word and you used it: Control..
Sorry, but Geoff spouts nonsense much of the time. I have countered many of his arguments against electric cars and have yet to be proved wrong. If one is to produce worst-case scenarios for electric cars, it is very easy to do the same for combustion cars. I drove both petrol and diesel cars for 33 years and know how unreliable they can be. I now ride a bike to purely stop wasting time sitting in traffic. The decision had nothing to do with climate change or air pollution, but boy, do diesels stink 😢
This thing waiting to see if the charger will work is needless anxiety!!
Glad you’ve made it to Glasgow, looking forward to seeing what you think about my suggestions I emailed. Hope you’ve managed to miss the rain, last couple days hasn’t been nice.
Flying visit this time. But will be back in a few weeks. Weather has been against me.
Lee,
Here in the States, it's ABC. Always Be Charging.
Porsche's synthetic gasoline is $40 per gallon, or 10 Quid per Litre.
Hydrogen will do the long range. Ships, lorries, and planes are all in the mix.
That's a big drop in Winter! Also shocked me to learn how much the capacity drops in older EV's which are now on the 2nd hand market. No wonder no-one wants them.
Are you talking about the old nissan leafs? Old battery tech. A tesla, or equiv, will still have 80%+ battery capacity after 200,000 miles.
The question is would your EV have been charged with homicide if you had frozen in Buxton? And is psychotherapy and medication included in the warranty?
Surely if you "charge when you can NOT when you have to", it goes against the recommendation of letting the battery run low before charging - so you'll ruin the battery????? Thoughts????
The prices of electric cars have plummeted because people have been watching your videos. And decided to stay away from them.
Very true
Lee's a 'mover & shaker' lol
These videos, tabloid press, bogus reporting, and energy companies profiteering from the war in Ukraine hiking up the price of electricity. However, the real reason for the drop in used EV values, as is the case with all secondhand cars, is the increased availability of them as leases come to their end. It's simply the economics of supply and demand, nothing more. Meanwhile, in the UK, sales of new EVs have pushed diesels into 3rd place with only pure petrol cars in the lead. Earlier, I checked on Autotrader the value of a Porsche Taycan like the MacMaster's against an equivalent age and mileage Porsche Panamera, and the depreciation was higher for the Panamera
Hi mate. Sorry that was me shouting out my Saab at you in High St Glasgow about half an hour ago. Welcome to Glasgow sir! By the way it's a petrol😂
Lol. 😂 coulda joined me for a beer. 🍻 next time. 👍🏼
Oh don't say that I had just finished work as well!
Hey Macmaster, I'm not a conspiracy theorist
I'm a coincidence analyst 😉
Can't wait to see the video with Geoff and your good self Lee. Love both of your channels ❤
Really enjoy the EV videos as I'm interested in tech and economics. It's useful to see an honest opinion from a driver's day to day life. You present a lot of facts and issues really well. Never boring and always engaging. Keep them coming.
Don't forget Diane, there are 680k electric vehicles in the UK, and Lee's experience is only one perspective. That is not to say his experience is invalid, just that it's not necessarily shared by all EV drivers.
When you were at Gretna services, unleaded 169.9 a litre filled up my car earlier, 137.9. Just £1.45 a gallon more expensive at the service station 😱
The range rover the mayor travels in has a starting price of £400,000 as it is armour plated.
Been watching you for a long time and these videos on EVs so interesting. I noticed to that the second hand market does seem to have plummeted.
EV’s the way they are currently is not the answer.
I guess it makes your free coffee very expensive caffeine.
Well done mate highlighting such an important issue
Nothing wrong with EVs that more investment in infrastructure can't address. All used car values have dropped, not just EVs. Meanwhile, sales of new EVs have pushed diesels into 3rd place