Roof Top Tents aren't all they're cracked up to be
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2024
- More popular than ever but the truth is that Roof Top Tents are kind of a bad idea when it comes to camping for 99.99% of us. This video is my laundry list of issues with RTTs in general, not just this particular brand and model.
That being said if you watch my recent short video you can get a feeling for my recent anger toward my particular RTT as well. If you can measure a tents difficulty setting up by how much blood you spill (literally) while setting it up it's probably a good sign there is a problem with the tent. 2-3 bloody fingers with every tent setup, guaranteed.
Oddly enough almost every complaint I have about this tent I knew of before I bought it. I just thought it wouldn't be a big deal and I could work around the "Cons" of the tent. Turns out that when all the "Pros" fall flat, and the "Cons" are worse than expected, you start to wonder why you dropped over $2000 for something that you only use 50% of the time and can be done just as well if not better with a $250 tent.
Does this mean I think you're an idiot for buying or wanting one?
Absolutely not.
There are benefits to an RTT and especially if your style of camping fits around it, it may not be so bad. What what I am saying is that I think many people cling to and make excuses for their RTT because of "cool" they are and how much money they've invested in having one.
But I'm a stickler for gear that serves me, not gear that I have to serve. And I also don't like having to spend a premium on gear that is all pomp and style but delivers very little for me in the way of actual functionality. I believe camping is about simplifying things to the basics, and I don't want to spend my rare and valuable vacation time struggling with something too complicated for the simple job it's supposed to be providing me.
00:00 - Intro
04:06 - Too Expensive for little benefit
04:36 - It makes you immobile
07:12 - Setup time is about the same as a ground tent
08:12 - You have to level the whole vehicle
09:14 - Not all campsites have a level place to park the RTT
11:16 - You have to sleep in parking lots
11:34 - So noisy in the slightest breeze
13:12 - Not fully sealed. Has mouse sized holes
13:53 - Massive heavy tent ruins MPG
14:20 - Weight exceeds almost all vehicle roof limits
16:55 - Setting up a 120lb tent 6ft off the ground is awkward
17:21 - It doesn't hold as much as you expect.
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I spent $45 total for both of my old school military shelter half’s. After 15 years it’s still in perfect condition and not a single hole. Canvas is extremely durable material. Why fix what ain’t broken?
I think that sentiment is the key point. An RTT is a "Solution" to a problem that never existed. Mountain men traveled all over the country with a horse and a bed roll. It's not like we were incapable of camping until RTTs came along. They just overcomplicate something that didn't need to be complicated in the first place.
But what about the government motto that states “If it ain’t broke, fix it till it is”?
@@privateer177666 and look at how effective our government is running things now. It’s a pure shit show.
@@shibblesshalzabot6320 Brotherman, I’ve seen it from the inside out.... and I couldn’t agree with you anymore knowing the goat roping that was going on a bit ago...
Where might one get that? A surplus store?
It’s like this: buy the gear you like, keep the gear you love, upgrade the gear you no longer care for, and respect that people will always have different opinions.
*Our lumber-racked F250 work truck is a great budget camping platform. We use a few sheets of pre-drilled 1/4 inch marine plywood and zip ties to create a rooftop platform onsite (too windy to drive with it) and throw two two man tents up there. With D rings bolted to the plywood for the stake points total setup is 12 minutes and I don't have to put up with my 17yo son farting all night in the same tent.*
Loud, even our own opinions will change, from experience.
@@1nvisible1 perfect solution and very cheap alternative to a really expensive unit. Bet it breaks down quickly, too.
I’m definitely stealing that to use later. I absolutely agree.
One does not have to respect stupid opinions.
Hmm $150 for a tent on the ground, or $2k so you can sleep 6 feet off the ground, tough one. My 87' Toyota van that I sleep in all time is probably worth $2k lol.
It’s abt the aesthetics I guess
Dude, I had an ‘87 Toyota van. I sold it 5 years ago and still think about it almost daily. Never let that thing go, man. You got the diesel?
@@skimmertakesall Will drive it till the engine goes, only 197k, looks like junk but idc it's gold to me. Just gas, 2wd.
Mine is barely worth 500. Lol
Kids are the best reason to get something like this…
Thanks for this. This is the kind of straight-talk you don't get about most overlanding stuff because everyone is secretly trying to sell you something through affiliates. I appreciate the honesty.
I've been doing the RTT thing for six years, ten to 20 trips per year. Everything he says in this video is true. It's very tough to find a level spot (for your car) that is also a spot you want to be. Half of Explore Southwest's issues would be solved with a hard shell RTT though. Ease of opening and closing is more important than weight, aerodynamics, cost, or anything else. It's also supremely important to pick a tent that will store ALL your nighttime gear when closed. (blankets, pillows, and everything else). Another important point is to make sure that your hard shell tent only has latches on one side or one end....not both. Latches on all sides is twice as much jumping up and down on your bumpers to both open and close the tent. And, the weight of a "convenient" RTT, awning, and all the other stuff is going to ruin the way your vehicle drives and ruin your gas mileage. It's a very bad idea to build one of these rigs on your daily driver. Just the way it is. :(
I hear you but there are always solutions. The rig I’m building is for my ford f250 6.7 liter diesel. Fuel economy isn’t my issue and i made all the gear including the tent easily removed and put into storage so if I won’t be camping for a month my daily is back to normal.
Only one I thought about here was the extra gas and the performance loss because of the loss of aerodynamics... Didn't think about the storage. Weight right now isn't too much or a consideration, I'm designing a full hard side and top RTT to be built out of foam board and carbon fiber.
Good points on the latches too, I was going to do 2 on the opening side, but I'll probably cut it down to 1. Granted it's only going on my mini countryman and maybe my audi tt later on so height won't be an issue.
Weight and performance are my main 2 concerns right now.
Any thoughts on anything I should look into?
I put my rtt on a trailer i built for it to be the same exact height as my rig so i know it can clear anything my jeep will. If i cant find a level spot i use farm jacks on all four corners with ratchet straps holding them in place and max tracks under them. 6x4 trailer, i can move it around by hand even on a pretty decent slope.
Also incase i dint feel like popping the tent i just carry a throw out tent that pops out instantly and a hammock. At all times incase im feeling lazy lol.
@@KarstRats👁👁 Hmmmm. Nice solution.
I've been camping in the shell of my truck for 20 years now. My camp is always set up, doesn't flap in the wind, and is secured and lockable.
I also have three backpacking tents for going places on my atv or hiking. Total cost....$350. The shell came free with the truck.😄
I specifically measured out the length of my truck bed before I bought it with the intention of getting a shell and building a "mini camper" in it I could sleep on. But a new quality shell is expensive and that's when I got the idea of using an RTT. But your idea is literally what I was going for and I ended up with the RTT as a similar alternative. Turns out I don't think it was a good alternative.
I tent camp with my wife. If it is just me, I sleep in my rig. But, have been camping in the bed of a truck and shell. Lol
yeah back of SUV works for me. Put all the camping equip in the roof box. I mean how much crap do you need on a camping trip. I wouldn't want to live that way.
Compare roof tents with roof tents and ground tents with ground tents...!
Two very different ways of camping...
@@hugoborghifilho8702 I was comparing roof tents with camper shells. The only tents I care about are the light ones for backpacking.
I 1000% am getting into this and was thinking of getting one of these. Everything you said would drive me crazy. Will not be getting one. Thank you. Great work
I was looking at $5000.oo for the ikamper … not anymore
I have had All of my overland buddies tell me how cool they are. But the money and weight on top of my 5th gen 4runner I just can't justify that when I can get a cot, pad and gazelle for a 1/4. But to each there own too.
Yeah I’m gonna save the $3k and use it for truck gear
@@ionageman you can buy a pop-up camper for that much and have heat, sink, kitchen etc.!
Im thinking Alucab for the Gladiator.
What a great evaluation from someone that does much more camping than I do, and thank you for touching on the responsible camping aspect, I’m an off-road person and always clean up trash around the area of my camp. I was contemplating the exact tent that’s on your truck, so glad to see this video. See you on the trail.
These are all great points. I have a Roofnest on top of a 2012 Subaru Outback. All of these points in this video are correct. However, The 120 lbs roof capacity weight is “dynamic weight”. That is for when the car is in motion. The “static weight” for when the car is parked should be 600 - 800 lbs. So your car/truck can still handle the weight of anything extra than 120 lbs when parked.
In this particular case, you still have a 130lbs tent on your roof when you are driving. The drag weight from that big brick of tent must be nuts.
I agree with everything said, but I am sticking with my RTT - here's why. I am a life long back packer but my wife came to camping as an adult and was never comfortable sleeping on the ground. She didn't feel safe and spent all night listening to every sound and worrying. So camping was not fun for her.
Sleeping up high on top of our FJ she feels safe. Sleeping in blankets and sheets vs a sleeping bag - she sleeps better. Now she enjoys camping! I went hard shell so setup and teardown is about the same as a ground tent. I bought a used to save money. It's a Roof Nest and is quieter and darker than our ground tent. The occasional midnight relief trip is less of an issue than I thought it would be. Thanks for the great videos. We share the same camping ethics and I appreciate you talking about it. Stay on the trail and leave no trace!
I was thinking of an RTT. My wife is iffy about it. I then looked at adventure trailers...if I am towing I may as well get a teardrop with a real bed.
Then I saw the Roofnest Sparrow? I think. It is on my list. But I am still not sold on the RTT. Your points make me think again.
I have mine on a 5x8 utility trailer. Very light and low cost. If the side gets scraped no big deal. I have the annex and put a porta potty in there for the wife. It's no Hampton Inn but that's the fun of it.
Get a dog you will sleep like a log anywhere ! They Love acting as security besides they will thank you for not sleeping in a tent where they can’t climb a ladder to....Millennials ugh 🤦🏼♂️
I have a large 23zero rtt, your points are great. Especially levelling and campsites where you park separate from the site. But I really don't want to camp anywhere away from my vehicle since so much other gear/ supplies then need to be hauled to and from that I avoid those sites anyway. But I'd like to add that the bed racks people purchase often aren't rated for the static weight loaded onto them. My tent holds four people and weighs close to 200lbs, with people I'm often over 1000 pounds. I ride behind trucks and see the racks having a noticeable shimmy. Just looks like a tragedy waiting to happen. My point is that your investment in the bed rack has to be as well researched as the tent you buy. I welded mine from 1/8" rectangle. I would visit a fabrication shop before buying a bolted together bed rack made of 1/16" plate. Just my thoughts.
The feeling of safety is a good reason to ignore "rational" arguments. You could argue until you are blue in the face that a ground tent is as safe as a roof top tent, but that doesnt escape the fact that she feels better and sleeps better in a roof top tent. In your case a RTT is the right choice for you because a good nights sleep is very important.
After using my RTT for about 3 years, I'm now building a trailer to mount it on. Everything in this video is accurate.
You're pretty much at a popup camper at that point.
That is my thought too. I have a utility trailer for my Jeep I would like to put one on.
@@MuskratOutdoors I have a small utility trailer and I've thought about making a panelled box that could be bolted on to it. Possibly that could collapse a little. It wouldn't be quite a popup but related. I did have a popup but we got rid of it because of space issues.
@@chaos.corner I thought about that also, but couldn't really think of a design that would work. If you do make one, please let me know! I would love to see it. There is a need for compact, small campers for two adults. A good design might make a lot of money!
@@MuskratOutdoors It depends what you're looking for. For my size of trailer, it would basically be just for sleeping. Though it would also be good for storage. I was actually thinking of it from my old job because sometimes you just need some peace and quiet away from all the noise.
Thanks for the candid opinion. The RTT I was considering is only 80lbs, clam shell design that sets up/down much quicker, mounts on my existing pickup ladder rack (not a roof rack), and costs $1500. I decided the versatility of using my camping hammock or being able to sleep in the pickup topper remains the best solution by far. Gee, I can build another nice PRS rifle instead ;-).
Thanks for the honest review. I was on the fence about buying one. All of your points are valid to me. I’ll stay on the ground (been doing it for years) and save the rack for additional gear.
I am a life-long camper. I have never considered a rooftop tent for one reason: I have no doubt that, the first or second night I used it, I would get up in the middle of the night needing to pee, and while still 2/3 asleep, I would walk off the roof.
The cost alone would be a deal breaker for me. I don't remember whay I paid for my current car camping ground tent, which is roomy well-made, now several years old and holding up well, but I'm sure it was less than $200. The fact that you can't go anywhere in your vehicle without breaking it down and setting it back up, as mentioned in the video, is another serious drawback for me.
Finally, an Overlander that can stand on his own two feet. Many of us appreciate you not trying to keep up with the Joneses and dishing out the truth! Keep up the good work. Awesome video!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Nobody can keep up with this Jones.
Maybe he can stand on his own two feet cuz he doesn't sit around and drink beer?
i wouldn’t particularly say “overlander” this guy is more of a camping guy trying to glamp, he’s scared of mice!
@@trevorwilkerson3508💀💀💀
Great video. I love my RTT and would never give it up. But every point you made is totally valid. Def great pointing out the things that people need to consider before purchasing RTT’s. Most of the guys I know are now building small trailers to put the RTT on to alleviate a lot of the issues. That of course has its own issues lol. But we’ll done video 👍
All valid points, and yet i still prefer my RTT over grounders. To me, i just love it
As a hunter and camper who strictly goes out in the middle of nowhere, rooftop tents are amazing. I also tow a trailer with my quad which is what I use to get around. If you’re going to spend the money, spend a little more and get a hard shell.
This guy honestly just bought the wrong tent. My tent setup time is less than 2 minutes. I can pack up and move spots in less than 1 minute. My tent was half the price and Way more convenient.
@@dejuices what tent did you get ? looking into getting one and I been watching random videos just to get an idea...
@@qobotzxcdsHighly recommend the Alu-Cab options.
No offense, but if you are driving (anything) you probably aren't in the middle of nowhere by most outdoorsmen's perspectives.
@@derRoteKampfflieger Never hunted Northern BC huh?
I absolutely love my 23zero RTT.
Cost of the tent was a little over 1200.00 when I bought it and the rack was 750.00 so yes roughly 2000.00 total. To be honest though mine is canvas and a good canvas ground tent is going to run about 1400.00.
Because of the tear down requirement in order to go somewhere eventually mounted it on a trailer 750.00 from TSC and that gave me the ability to store all my camping stuff under the tent like you do in your truck.
Set up and tear down are not as easy as the you tube video show but easier than my old ground tent in my opinion.
For remote camping I honestly can't beat it at that price.
I am very happy with my tent purchase and would do it again.
Much appreciated video. I considered a rooftop tent, but have decided to frame up a cot inside my old Tahoe. Still have leveling and site issues, but I always have a backpacking setup with me for parking at the trailhead and heading out for a few days on trail. Pro tip for leveling is to use a clear water bottle like a smartwater bottle as a level. I do this on trail t be sure my head is above my feet.
I've been thinking about setting up my Tacoma as an overlanding rig and this was some great information. I have zero experience with overlanding or rooftop tents and what surprised me most was the various ways critters can get into the tent. The research continues!
I'd rather contend with a little harmless desert mouse than a NYC gutter rat. LOL
The good thing about them being expensive is I have plenty of time to come across material like this to help decide if I really need one or not.
Lol
For real though!
Same
Your right.
You convinced me at "$2500 for a tent".
I was out at “tent”
LOL! Well there is always that consideration too.
@@Souflay1 Sissy! 😉
And that's the cheapest model. The more expensive ones don't have as many issues but then you're spending a lot more
@@Russianmafia10 you can get a decent one for 1000 . Most of these tents are made in 2-3 different factories in china , just like his brand , couple different features and price bump
Refreshing to see a very real take on something like this. Not to say that other people can’t love these or that this is the universally correct opinion, it’s just great to see some contrast so that people can consider the cons and make informed decisions.
I love your video. Thank you so much. You did an excellent video pointing out the considerations with a RTT! This confirmed that the tent is right for me and the way I like to camp. I'm looking at getting the ikamper 3.0 ($6K with installation) for my gladiator and am really excited! And now that I know from a seasoned camper what the issues are...I feel very comfortable about my decision and the strategies to mitigate them. :) A lot of the issues you had were specific to your cheap tent so you have to keep that in mind too. THANK YOU.
Basically buy a hard case clamshell type, not these type
That’s exactly what I was thinking. The size and weight of the really nice ones would be impossible to pack around, too.
Yup, The clam type set up much quicker and look more durable.
You would still run into the leveling issue right? I would think that would be a huge issue.
@@hengehogs And not being able to drive anywhere with it set up...
@zoom zoom they both have their positives and negatives. It all depends on when, where, and how you do your camping, really. A heavily insulated tent with a memory foam bottom for comfortable sleeping in cold weather is difficult to carry around on your back. A trailer is great for hauling your gear until you get into a tight spot and need to back out.
Great objective assessment of RTT. Never thought about leveling it, or putting up and taking down to go places. You just saved me 2500.00!!!
I really appreciate this, I was getting lost in dream land with the roof tent concept. These are such valid comments. Thank you 🌼🌸🌼
I love that campsite!
Another issue: It is harder to show occupation of your campsite. A number of first come first serve campsites require you leave stuff on the site to show it is occupied. As soon as you drive off, there is nothing reserving the site. “Tent on site” is the universal sign showing the site is occupied. You don’t have that option.
Keep a sign that says occupied in your Jeep with a place to write the date and put that in the camp with anything else you might leave 🤷♂️
We have a stand alone awning, actually we have two, one we attach to the side of our van, one to the back, neither take long to put up, so we have loads more room than we had with our pain in the arse tent with all its fidgety carbon poles, the whole lot can be erected in a few minutes and we can drop the roof ten in less than a minute, put the cover on in two or three minutes. Leave the awning(s) up to mark our pitch and come back later.
@@bonzegrinder1 someone. Could toss the sign away and pretend it wasn’t there 💁♂️
@@trvsball ya they could, but most people will respect it, and if it's secluded and you put it at the entrance most people won't even go down to check if you're there 😁
That's whats a small pop-up tent is for. Takes no room and time to set up. Also usable when you want to stay a night away from the car.
Thank you for sharing all of your thoughts from your experience using a roof top tent for many years. I've thought about getting one in the future off and on. But you make some REALLY excellent points. Especially the point about if you want to set camp up and then leave to go do something... I hadn't even thought about that. I currently have an old camper shell with a simple home made shelf system in the back of my truck for easy no fuss trips. But I typically just sleep in my tent. I think my ideal setup would probably be a small tear drop for easy trips.
I went with a quick setup hub style ground tent for most of the reasons you stated. I've been off roading / camping for decades and we usually use our campsite as a "base camp". The thought of constant setup and tear down never made sense to me. It also cracks me up when people use "you're more secure from wildlife"....having spent hundreds of nights in the woods, I've never had an issue that couldn't be solved by a bit of yelling and arm waving...lol. Thanks for sharing your experience.
As an Australian, im buying a trailer with an RTT. Leaves the tow vehicle to be a very decent daily, lets you base camp and be fairly mobile, keeps you off the ground. Also crocs are only common in certain parts of Australia, its the snakes and spiders that you need to worry about. Sure you are a bit limited as a result, but its not so bad
That sounds like the best plan of all, just a bit more cost up front.
Points well made but left out in the biased, whiney video.
I thought you were talking about my favorite camping shoe lmao
That's the way to do it, I've got 2 on a tradie trailer. I'd never put one on my car.
Snakes, spiders, love from the Mojave desert
LOVE your honesty! I never thought they were a great idea. I know some people who put them on a trailer they tow, which helps, but you still deal with wind, the expense, dirt....not to mention the hassle for those of us who take frequent trips to the bathroom at night.
For the price of a RTT on a trailer, you can buy a pop up trailer. Fridge, heat, stove, lights....all already there. Takes maybe 20 minutes to set up and take down.
Your honesty is exactly what I needed. Thanks for saving me a ton of frustration. Huge eye opener. If I ever see you on the trail, beers are on me.
We started using an rtt on our Expedition built Tacoma for camping and loved it at first. But we went full time in it in the winter of 2017 and it became quite a bit of work taking down and setting up every 3-5 days when we had to break down and refresh water tanks. The wind was a nightmare all night long flapping material. Rain, cold, etc...
You don't need a tent to be level. It's great when it rains cause you don't have to put away a wet muddy tent.
We ended up buying an All Terrain Warrior. Quite expensive but we lived in it full time traveling.
Fantastic review. Thanks for telling us how it really is - so many things that are easily dismissed but in aggregate really hit you. Props.
I have a Roofnest sparrow that I’ve been using for 2 years, on top of my 2015 Jeep Patriot. I absolutely love it. I keep my bedding and pillows up there and a fan. I have LED strips inside and my Jackery powers it all. It’s ready to go 100% of the time. I grab my camping totes and hit the roads to the mountains.
It’s worth the $$ for me. It’s in perfect shape still and sometimes I take my Weenie dog camping and he loves it too.
They’re not for everyone. But I’m a big fan.
Right with you. Loved my tent and will buy a new one in the near future. When I had mine I also kept my duvet and pillows in the tent while folded.
I'm about to buy the Sparrow XL. You have to spend money if you want a great experience. The rooftop tent in this video looks cheap so that's probably why this guy had a bad experience. I hear Roofnest is one of the best in terms of quality. "Expensive", but worth it.
@@timeisahumanconstruct9251 They’re a lot of fun. Makes camping so much easier and quicker. And road trips, you’ll never need a hotel again lol
LED stripes 😳
@@omargaidi9698 L.E.D Strip lighting.
Thank you for a truly honest review. We love camping and have been back and forth on a roof top vs ground tent and the concerns I had about a rooftop you've addresses them all.
I really appreciate this perspective. I had a diy clamshell rtt project next on my list as we have a little one with us, but I may just go awning and in vehicle + swag etc.
Great getting your honest feedback about your experience with RTT's! I'm so glad I saw your video as I have been considering getting one fitted to my truck. As you say, they are pretty expensive, heavy and small, so I think I'll stick with my RV5 Oz Tent, that set's up in 30 seconds, (and pegs out in a few minutes) and weighs much less than a RTT. As I'm getting on in years, the thought of climbing up and down ladders doesn't exactly excite me either. Thanks again for your feedback and warm greetings from South Africa!
When I saw the title of your video, I was pretty skeptical. I have been considering a RTTS despite the very high cost. I have some questions, though, and honestly the videos that I have been looking at were not answering those questions. ALL the I have been watching have been sponsored by the tent manufacturers, so I assumed they were probably not giving me the whole story. But they did a great job of promoting the highlights, and those were pretty close to convincing me to pull the trigger and get one.
Now, this EXTREMELY comprehensive video has opened my eyes. Most of your complaints don't apply. You and I camp very differently, and a lot of what irritates you wouldn't bother me. That's fine because you were able to point out those details in such a way that I could ignore them. But there were a few others, details about which I had unanswered questions, that you covered in such a way that they answered almost all my concerns. As a result, I am no longer considering a RTTS. So I thank you for your frank and articulate review and for saving me a shit-ton of money.
i've always just assumed roof top tents were really just for mall cruisers. I had no idea people actually ever used them. theres always an un-used winch and a brand new hilift jack with it too. seems like people just buy them so they can have the gas station conversation about it.
As someone who frequents ATV trails in my Rubicon (don't ask 😅)
Rooftop tents are definitely not just a gimmick. They are quick to set up/ take down and I can park in standing water if I really wanted and walk around the body of my Jeep to set up the tent without ever putting a foot to the ground... 😁 There are a lot of places not made for a ground tent or where I at least don't want to clear the ground
I don't know what that is but it sounds OK to me..
@@bonzegrinder1 that's just a bunch of crap
@@RagingBad it's really not, but your comment on a 7 month old post certainly is.
@@bonzegrinder1 it doesn't matter how old is it dummy
Thank you! I almost bought one cause I thought it looked cool and convenient, but you're right. The inconvenience of having to leave my vehicle parked if I want to use it during the day is an issue
Thanks for the video! I honestly have thought about some of these points myself and put me on the fence. After watching this, I will keep with a small instant pop up tent until I can afford a trailer or something. I love how you said it's for Instagram. It truly is! Back in my day, we didn't call it overlanding. It was four-wheeling with friends and camping out. Now-a-days its called "overlanding" and all they talk about is their roof top tent, the stove and sink in a box they spent $2000 on, etc... LOL
I went with a sleeping back in the bed of my truck, a $50 Coleman stove and few MRE's. Done! I would be gone for days. haha
Like your sarcasm in the closing argument, I don’t have one but had sort of looked them over, but couldn’t justify the price, thanks for the honesty!!
Finally, practical reviews! I appreciate you taking the time to point out the actual issues. Some of these I knew, some of these I did not know. Thanks for the help. I knew they were too good to be true. Now, I have a review that puts it into perspective.
This was good to know. I was thinking i liked the fold out roof tents more than the hard top because they have more room. But now I'm thinking the hard tops are better sealed, quicker setup, and that small lack of room might be worth it.
Yeah if you're going with an RTT I think the hard top ones aren't sulerior, unfortunately like all things that also means there is a price increase to go along with it.
@ReasonablySkeptic - it’s not the style of RTT that’s important, design and build quality are the most important as are materials used.
A cheap unit of either may not be as well designed or built as a more costly option of either. But it could be a good way to enter the game to know what works and doesn’t work for you - or what to look for in your next purchase if you decide this is for you.
Several of the issues mentioned have work-arounds. If you know you’re going to base camp you can create a setup where your RTT can be removed and transported to a ground site for the duration of your stay - your vehicle is the accessible for those sunrises, sunsets and restaurants? (Who goes camping to go to a restaurant that’s not a pub on the way to camp?). Alternatively a set of legs could be made like those for the slide on/off camper to help remove it from the top of your vehicle.
Everything is a compromise of some sort. The use of a car Jack can be an easy way to level your vehicle rather than trying to find that level spot by moving your vehicle around heaps in how to find that levelled feeling you want. It’s not always achievable either, same for a ground tent or swag sometimes.
One good thing about the RTTs not mentioned is the cross breezes you get in summer that helps cool the tent, I always liked hat in our Australian summer heat. The clam shell design worked well for us and was the best before kids.
Now we’re in swags but that’s getting too painful so we’re back looking for a clamshell RTT for the car and a hard top RTT for the camper trailer for ease of setup and pack up.
Also worth mentioning that in some parts of Australia tents and swags are not allowed in some areas and finding a caravan park that allows them can be difficult too. We experienced this along the east coast of Oz from NSW to southern QLD. Not much fun had chasing a camp space we could legally stop off at and use. Anything ground tent-able was a short hike down a track we didn’t want to walk.
That got away from me! I hope it was useful to someone!
A very excellent realistic review, especially the point about being a photographer and needing to move around frequently.
I agree with you on all of your points. I sold my Yakima RTT after 4 years of using it and switched back to a ground tent (gazelle) with sleeping cot. I can have it set up as quick as my RTT if not quicker and I don't have to pack it if I leave the campground. One negative point I'd like to add is getting up to the bathroom at night (yes, some of us have to do it once or twice every night). It was a royal pain to climb the ladder half asleep, especially in the rain. For me the biggest negative was driving with the tent when I was not using it, pretty much entire spring, summer and fall. At first I would take it off when not in use but it became too much hustle and I just left it on, which limited my truck bed space. Thanks for this review, I really enjoyed it.
Man, I am sorry you have had such a bad time with your RTT. I have owned an ARB RTT for a little over three years and a good number of these issues seem to be brand specific; as I have not had those issue in mine.
Now they are slower to setup, it does limit the use of the vehicle when they are setup, but other than that, I have had a very different experience with mine. I regularly keep two sheets (fitted and normal) three blankets (for those really cold nights) the default three inch mattress and a 2 inch memory foam mattress (for insulation and comfort) and a thick memory foam pillow, in my tent with no issues closing it up. After three years of using it almost every weekend (will camp in the ski resort overflow lot in the winter), I love mine and would not go back to ground tents unless I had to. And I did years of backpacking before I moved into overlanding.
Also, whenever I do have to camp in normal camp grounds, I usually will get an RV spot (level and pull through) or I make sure that the spots are pull up and not walk up.
I hope you experience gets better. After all, we are all out here to enjoy the outdoors.
How is not being able to drive a car with the tent up - his first point - brand specific?
@@johnnytremain8017 New pop-up rooftop tents take about two minutes to set up or break down. Easy to do. Also, if your idea would be to "drive a car with the tent up - you can do that too - it's called a camper.
Who wants to leave their tent somewhere anyway?
Great video. Been thinking of one and this summarizes all the cons nicely. As an Aussie, though, you don't really worry anymore about the creepy crawlies than anywhere else in the world. Just take the usual precautions. Swags are a big thing in Aus, so would highly recommend.
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this.
In the past, I'd just slept in the camper shell of my T-100, but with the truck out of the picture and two kids in the picture, I'd been considering an RTT to run on top of my Outback.
I think that for solo outings, I'm fine just crashing in the back of the battlewagon and for family outings I'll just get a large ground tent, and use the savings for other things.
I must be one of the only dissenters because I really enjoy my RTT which I purchased new for under $900 (which is still probably too expensive for what you get). I do agree with point #2 that it makes you immobile, and that it can be noisy in wind. The immobility is probably what I would view as the biggest downside. Otherwise, it has been great. It's easy to set up with no blood spilled, and I've never had a problem getting the vehicle leveled enough using logs or stones under a tire or two. It has provided many good night's sleep on quite a few outings so far. So, maybe they're not for everybody, but they're not all bad either.
what's the effect on your speed and mpg?
@@43cdb No real impact on speed. I still drive pretty normally. About a 12-15% reduction in fuel economy depending on conditions. It's on a Jeep Wrangler in my case. So, mileage is terrible to begin with. I definitely notice that it is up there while off-road. Nothing scary, but you can tell that the center of gravity is a little higher.
I'm willing to bet if I mounted it over my F-150 bed instead (staying low) that it wouldn't have any impact at all.
Dissenter here. I have a Smittybilt that was
yakima skyrise here and love it very much, I use rainfly only when I need to and I can set it up in 1 min or two.
It sucks not being able to move, but I mainly bought it for overlanding trips, so no big issue there.
If I can find a good deal I’ll probably get one at some point.
Thank you for speaking the truth and summarizing all the thoughts I too have had about rooftop tents! There’s so much value to me in being able to pull into a site late at night or pull out early in the morning with little to no setup. For this reason alone, rooftop tents never seemed like a valid option to me.
I love that you covered the Tepui hardware. My tent blew off the back of my truck on a super windy day. The mounting hardware is garbage. I bought a small trailer with a tip out tent and couldn't be happier.
Great video. I was close to going with a RTT. Every situation you described is on point. I was even thinking maybe a trailer with the RTT. But here in Colorado there are so many great places to put a tent by a river or overlook that even a trailer wouldn’t solve. Thanks for saving me about $3k!!!
Appreciate the honest review for someone like me has been considering on of these tents for a while
That’s why I love my little off-road trailer
That's what I'm thinking.
Exactly what I did, also I feel like I don't have 1/2 the issues with my FSR that he does with the Tepui, I do understand the concerns for sure though, trailer for life!
RD said he's getting to old to climb up on the trailer,so you will be sleeping alone next time
I’ve been thinking about lifting a pop up camper lmao
@@Puff_Beatz I have an offroad tent trailer with a deck on the front. It can be a little long but it's no longer than my truck. We absolutely love it. Easy to tow, quick to set up. Prefer it over a small travel trailer.
Great info! I’m planning a cross country trip next year and I was thinking about getting one of these but now I’m not so sure. Thanks for your honesty! 👍
Honest review, you helped me get a better understanding of this product. Thank you
Friend of mine loves his. His issue is mold developed especially when damp weather at time of close up. Hassle when have to open up to dry out at home, cleaning included.
Great review, so glad I came across this prior to making such an expensive mistake. The tear down and putting it up daily or when I need to make a quick cheat run to the gas station would absolutely drive me insane. Plus if you want to leave stuff out at a camp site, having a tent always there is a good space bubble/deterrent to keep people at a distance normally.
Don’t let this one video review distraught you. Again, this is a bottom level tent. I run a rooftop tent and it’s been zero issues after two years. I camp almost every other weekend.
Do you bring old shoes to leave outside so it looks occupied? They tell women to do that so they don't look like a target.
Its a "bottom level tent" that cost around $2500 (including the rack). Nah mate, I'm good
I’m so glad I watched this! Saves me time, money and headache. I’ll be happy to keep using my regular tents now!!
Truth! You had us laughing out loud remembering our last trip on the White Rim trail... We are absolutely positive that the mice saw us diving up to our camp sites in our FJ and setting up their attack plans! Worse than any other wildlife we have ever encountered! They (mice in the camp grounds) have become trained to know "vehicles = food".
Nice to have every assumption I had about these things validated by someone who has been using one for half a decade.
Right I agree !
agreed
Same.
Yeah, think I’d rather crash in the back seat of the cab or have a regular or extended cab with a long bed and a raised top shell over the bed. At least the latter would allow for dry storage and could be insulated if so desired.
Agreed!
Wow a lot of things I've never thought about. The cost alone keeps me away, now with all this extra info thanks
Thank you for this. Would you rather recommend a tent attached in the truck bed?
Years ago I worked in a off-road shop and we used to install the hard shell rooftop tents all the time. Everyone that had 1 installed loved it. They're easy to set up and easy to take down, takes about 2 minutes. Problem solved with not being able to drive around. And as of today they cost around $2000.
Have been camping for over 30 years in just about everything. Yah, that whole getting up in the middle of the night to pee thing....watch out for that first step! The RTT cool stopped there for me. Have a Tacoma with a canopy, put a plywood platform over the top of the wheel wells. Lots of storage underneath in totes, queen-sized bed on the top. Has worked really well for us. Put a clamshell shelter at the back that can remain in place to back into if you need more cover. Many of those points can also apply to camper van vs. camping trailer. As much as I don't care for towing something, can drop the trailer, level it, leave it and still have 4WD to go explore
I agree. A few beers around the fire with friends could be a face plant in the dirt a few hours later.
Great point. Who wants to climb down a ladder to take a whiz? I was sure he would mention that in the video. I considered the RTT option but instead I spent a fifth of the money for a quick setup 9-man tent with a screen room, a queen size air mattress, a portable toilet and shower. I can use them all without leaving the tent, and have room to stand up and change clothes as well. If you want to bring a woman and not make her hate it, this is the way to go.
Pee bottle lol I'm putting attempt up in back of the truck for close to 30 years not all the time but if it's raining or snowing it sure is nice to get off the ground. Then if you want to move somewhere just have to pull the rods out of the tent pockets let it drop down with the bags and everything inside. It also has air shocks on all four corners. Can also control each shock independently.
My Bush plane is a different story. have a tent that Clips up underneath one of the Wings and then some. But we can stand completely up in it. even has a 2 gal water tank in the wing so we can take a shower. And have a no-see-um screen that goes up under the other wing. 2 gal water tank in that wing also for doing dishes and putting out the campfire. Yes it's an experimental plane I designed and built myself. And all that stores in the belly pod.
Thanks for the honesty. You covered topics I would have never considered before buying.
Helpful and informative. Appreciate your honesty. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for your honest take on these. You have changed my mind.
Always wondered about these RRT’s. You answered all my questions and much more! Thank you for your honesty. Appreciate your content!
I’ve had a Tepui for a couple of years now. I do like it, and also agree with most of your arguments.
It works well for me because we take bikes. We tend to find a place in the woods to park, make a base camp, then take trips from there. But it’s a very particular use case.
Great review. Really bloodly honest. Hard shell RTT are far better and faster and more expensive, but to most worth it. My son uses one and it works for him because he needs his tray to carry lots of tools, material and gear. Swags are very popular over here in the Land of Oz, but I don't use them. I either sleep on the ground under a tarp or a gazebo or I use my one pole canvas tent. It is 9 foot by 9 foot square and about 7 foot 6 high. I love it. You can stand up to get changed! One half is a double bed, the other, changing and your gear! If the weather is a little inclement, (pissing down raining), stay inside, cook, read a book, get on your phone if you must. You guys really need to learn about the beauty of old school canvas tents! My first one died at 33 years of age (I inherited it). But that was because of a material fault in the floor. My next two (an extra for guests) And you don't fall that far getting into your tent when your pissed! Hope that helps. Cheers.
That 120 pounds of weight a car roof can take, according to the Toyota rep I talked to, refers to "dynamic" (traveling at speed) weight not "static"
weight (parked, standing still) which is approx. 3 times more. Big difference. Btw... great vid!
One important topic you forgot to mention. I don't know too many of the over 60 crowd, especially if you're carrying a few extra pounds, who go through the entire night without having to take a trip to the toilet. With a roof top tent this is difficult, especially if you're over 60 and carrying a few extra pounds. That's why I camp in a class A.
not only this, but who goes camping and doesn't have some type of alcoholic drink, or other... and getting up a ladder, when you might not be coherent enough to even remember you have a tent, is going to be an interesting challenge lol
This is why camping in a campervan is far superior. Nothing to do but "turn the van ignition key on or off" . You have a toilet , kitchen, sink, bed etc immediately available. It does matter what the weather is, rain or shine, hot or cold. Your investment in a van and conversion cost can total no more than the cost of a quality pick up, or RV, and a roof top tent
@@amishparadise1924 you have to be kidding !
Oh, nop ! Just realized your a whinny piece of human
I guess I should have read further down on the comments. 90% of my camping is now in the RV and I pull my Jeep where as in the past it was about 50%. You’re so right, some of us are into multiple nighttime excursions. I tell my younger friends that I’d probably forget I was in a rooftop and go splat on the ground at night!
That’s what old Gatorade bottles are for, especially winter camping!
Thanks for making this! I love our RTT and I did a lot of research before purchasing and it works phenomenally for our style. That being said, a lot of people don’t really know what they’re getting into and this video will greatly help them decide if it is the relight fit.
Great points I found very helpful, thank you for sharing!
I have a hard shell roof top tent that is quick to setup and take down and the bedding all fits inside, so that helps, plus it doesn’t stick out past either side of the vehicle. Doors on both sides of the tent and I have a Honda trail 90 on a back hitch for adventuring around away from camp, and I take a normal tent with me if I don’t want to deal with the roof top or want to camp somewhere I can’t park. 🤷♂️ I think a lot of these complaints are specific to your tent and needs, but I totally get your points. Thanks for making this though, definitely some good info.
I'm leaning more towards a small hard-shell off-road camper, something I can set up and still be mobile - thanks for the honest review!!
I was on the fence about a rooftop tent but now that I heard how much street cred it will give me then I’m in! Totally getting one now and can’t wait to flex! Thanks for the great review!
Hahahaha selective hearing at it's best. That's all I heard too haha
Hahaha
hahaha i legit laughed out loud at this
This is why we have a community lile this , to SHARE before we drop the big bucks! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! This is amazing and HELPFUL information... Rebuilding on old trailer from a the truck bed of Toyota.... This helped lock my choices in
This was great! Thank you ive been thinking about getting one of these, and started having doubts, you confirmed everything i was thinking, and then some , great review and honesty
We do a lot of camping and see those roof top tents everywhere these days, I'm amazed that so many people are willing to spend that kind of cash for one!! Thanks for your honesty in this video, all good info!!
And you just know that they are experiencing the same drawbacks as he mentioned too.
Great points! Honestly, I had thought these things were the ultimate in super easy tents but yeah, you’ve raised very good issues. I’ll be looking into a normal tent for sure and reserve the rack for gear.
Everyone's different. Do what's best for your situation and the campgrounds you camp at
Thanks for you honest review on the RTT’s. I was looking more at buying either a teardrop or regular off road trailer and put a hard shell RTT. I’ve heard so many stories from folks telling their stories about their RTT’s on the roof of their vehicles that have completely derailed my plans to do the same. I mean, why waste money on something YOU KNOW is not gonna be a good fit for your needs, right?! Thank you 🙏🏼
I think what you described is honest and true. My RTT will be arriving today, and my heart just sank. Most of my plans are to camp and move daily so I guess like you said that is a silver lining. Anyway your review is very informative, thanks
Thank you for the first honest expression of the realities of life in owning one of these. Been flipping back and forth between an RTT and a teardrop. Tear drop it is as you have solidified what I was concerned about, staying put in one place for more than a single day really precludes me from purchasing an RTT.
I was wondering about air circulation on them. Even at home. I have a small room and in the morning, sometimes I get a headache and it's very warm, even w the door open. I was thinking you have that issue in spades in a teardrop, right?
Well said. Even though I change locations daily I do agree that having to breakdown your setup for a short trip is a pain.
Not solely a roof top tent problem. Regular RV or a truck camper you still have to level the vehicle/jacks pop top open/sides put away everything that would move while driving every day.
Trailer is sweet - more space maybe bathroom etc. But of course costs allot more (even the cheapest tiny teardrop costs 5x what this tent costs new vs new) and has all the driving issues (parking, reversing, u-turn, and additional off-road clearance issues).
Regular ground tent is nice, but usually takes more time (esp. if you need air mattress etc), huge pain if the ground gets wet - I usually use a extra tarp under but more to carry and put away. And i don't think there would be LESS mice with a tent on the ground?
Everything has tradeoffs.
I briefly thought about a rtt but it makes stealth camping impossible, also most of our camping is in the high sierra (above 8000') an we have violent t-storms in the summer, instead i got a newer standard cab pick up w/ a 8' bed w/shell, being old i remembered having a crawl-thru (1 company still makes them) so i got this w/a pillow top mattress an that still leaves a couple of feet for DC fridge/freezer an firewood etc. Me an my girl love this setup, keeps us dry and being older its so nice to wake up in a 2 person down bag an remote start the truck when its cold.
Great video, properly explained everything i was thinking. Few years ago i was looking into roof top tents and almost bought one but the idea of being stuck in the one spot or packing up all the time turned me off. I also thought about mounting it on a trailer but i don't need a trailer to carry my gear as i don't carry that much.
Ended up sticking with the swag on short stays and a good quality tent for when I'm going to be 3 or more days at one site.
I love seeing thoughtful, logical, articulate arguments that cut against the grain. Well-done. I hope your video is influential in at least helping people consider a different viewpoint when making a significant purchase.
For what it is worth, when I had a truck, I had a nice shell on the back with a mattress on a platform. Plenty of storage under and beside the bed, quiet, secure, sliding windows and screens, and I could even crawl through the back window into the cab and drive off without going outside if I wanted to. They even make shells with little doors in them now, no need to crawl awkwardly out the back! Anyways, I look forward to seeing what your next camping setup might be. Thanks for the video!
When I was first shopping for a truck that was the setup I had in mind too; also planning on building out a sleeping space and storage like a little mini camper. That's why I made sure the bed of this truck was long enough for me to sleep in. But the price of bed cabs had me hold off on going that route, then I got distracted into going with the RTT.
@@exploresouthwest In addition to the truck-shell camper I've also been blessed to have a popup trailer and a Casita travel trailer. Both trailers have been great but I would be lying if I said I don't find myself nostalgic for the days I would just throw a few things into the back of my truck and hit the road. It was a simpler, more carefree way to travel.
I liked seeing a different perspective. I just bought one that takes a minute to setup and about 5 to tear down. If I’m leaving camp I bring my tent anyway because I’m not leaving all my gear for someone to steal so I’d rather have it with me.
Did you get one of these pop up hardshell ones?
@@jacobwhite9006 I did. It’s the ikamper sky camper mini. It sets up so fast. I got it at rei at a garage sale so it was half off and they’re normally 3,500 bucks.
After having this for a month there are a few points I disagree with that this guy made
Leveling your truck for your tent is awesome. There were so many spots that were on slopes that having a ground tent would have never worked with. Leveling is not a con
Camp set up and tear down does take time. But that happens anyway. If you want to be fast or pickup camp to take sunrise pictures there’s nothing stopping you from bringing a ground tent.
They’re really comfortable. Or at least mine is anyway.
Inn the end it depends what you’re using it for. My wife and I are trying to save money on hotels when we do our 40 mile hikes in random places. I made an awesome hot water system and it’s already paying for itself.
I feel like it’s a camper trailer with none of the negatives of towing a trailer
This was helpful, I do drive around when I camp and didn't even think about loosing access to the vehicle. Have you tried a cot tent like the Teton tents that sit on cots, I ordered one because I did not dig being on the ground, it made me feel exposed. This was high enough that I don't worry about it. I got the double.
That's actually exactly what I've been using for the last 2 years. It's actually a Swag on top of a cot, but the same idea.
This has been very helpful! Thank you very much for this! - It made me rethink the idea of buying a roof top tent.
Great video, and you gave me the advice that I was expecting. I've watched a lot of video's about rtt and came to the same conclusion. So I bought a 4runner. And I have a tent. So i'm covered. And if I sleep in the 4runner, I'll have heat and AC.
I never understood the whole “gotta get off the ground” RV crowd. Then I went camping with my neighbors. Their aversion to ground tents seems to be based on years of crappy Walmart grade tents poorly setup that will of course leak/flood in bad weather. They were quite shocked how dry my good marmot tent stayed when we had a rainy night. It’s seems they never consider mid range actual good gear (and learning how to set it up properly) they go for the cheapest tent, get frustrated with it then go for a big RV/rooftop rig.
Hi. As I understand, it was designed in South Africa to address roaming wildlife eg lions
@FloEvans I have had a Walmart/Academy (I don't remember) $100.00 tent for 17 years. We use it at least once a month. My kids grew up using it. We have been on all kind of weather. Is not meant for cold/snow weather, but we learned to make it work. The tent looks still like new, except a little hole on the floor due to a burn. You just have to know how to use it and care for it.
The roof top tent is very popular in Africa because our wildlife has a tendency of up rooting standard ground tents. My uncle was dragged of his ten by a lioness after it had ripped through a side wall, a Ranger eventually has to come down and shoot the lion to get it off my uncle, and he is a very large man. Then a friend of my father was dragged out of his tent by a lion who only managed to grab the bottom end of his sleeping bag, so he was able to slip out and climb a tree. My other friend wasn't so lucky. I lion attacked and took him away when he was sitting with 6 other people around the camp fire. Unfortunately the lion ate him for dinner. But this is Africa, it why we live here. If the door of your ground tent is not secure the hyena will get in and bite off your face or ears. And elephants, oh fuck ! Too many experiences with those guys !!!
@@jtcmlt1 too be fair quality of products 17 years ago is not the same as today or even 5 years ago.
@@Weth_C I agree with you 100%
Part of why total hard shell non expanding beyond size of roof and just for short overnights seems still fine. Your points are all solid and ones that have me viewing the one I am looking at. There are a few options more economical now than in years past.
First of all, the swell is one of my favorite places on earth-thank you for a nice view of a lovely camping spot. Second, thank you for talking about the delicate nature of the desert landscape and the importance of staying in designated areas to protect it. So many people don’t understand this. Third, I appreciate the comments you have made and also the helpful tips. I just bought a hard shell tent. I haven’t used it yet, but I have used a Tepui soft shell like the one you have. It is a pain in the ass to set up and take down, which is why I got the hard shell. I understand the issue of take down whenever you want to drive away from camp. I went from tent camping to an Airstream Basecamp, to a Roofnest Condor. I think it will be much easier than the trailer and allow me to go more places off-road. But, the limitations you discussed are understandable. My family members who have rooftop tents usually set up camp independent of the place where they sleep in the rooftop tent. This helps with the set up of camp, the location of your camp, and the ease of set up and take down for travel. I know this doesn’t completely solve the problem, but it helps. All campsites are different and there is no one solution to these issues, but I am hopeful my new hard shell will still be a fun experience that will allow me to throw stuff in the car and take off for a fun weekend camping trip to explore the outdoors. Thanks for your helpful comments! Also, what is your plan when you get rid of your rooftop tent? To return to regular tent camping?
On my own for the quick setup and takedown of overlanding kind of camping I use a Australian style Swag now. But the girl I'm dating isn't much of a camper so when she comes were using ground tents big enough to fit cots until I can convince her to sleep on the ground.