They kind of did once on the Ceiling Fan on Cathedral Ceiling project where the bottom of the roof rafter was right up against the ceiling so they couldn't install a normal light fixture box; luckily they had a pancake box on them at the time so they were able to use that instead
Ha! I like the painter shows up at the end to presumably patch the old hole. Must be nice having a world class painter in your back pocket. Quality professional work.
I had to do this. I capped the existing box with a blank plate, then bought one of those plastic cieling medallions that was just big enough to cover the existing box. Worked a treat.
Thank you for the use of the fan brace! My chandelier is held on by the box which is screwed into a cross member from a weird angle and distance. I didn't realize they make old work braces so I'll be upgrading it now.
I think there's another patching and painting video to come. If you look at the end of this one, This Old House's Painter, Mauro, walks in as the clip ends.
Slide in a piece of 1x3 that's bigger than the hole. Screw through the existing drywall into the board to hold it. Put in a patch piece that fits the hole. And patch from there
Easy peezee, the material that came out of the hole that was made will be use to patch the hole where the lamp use to be. Little bit of mud and paint and job completed.
@@gzamora138 the seam where the patch meets the ceiling will need to be texture matched and will definitely be noticeable if not done correctly, especially with upward firing lights. You never addressed if there wasn’t any leftover paint, which again, with upward lights, any differences will be noticeable.
The light was only 12" off center. I would have just screwed a hook in the wall centered over the table and run the chain & wire from original location of light to that hook then down? If keeping the same light fixture, done in 5 minutes!
What's the tool you used to open and close the chain? I needed to do that a few months ago to hang stained glass. I used my linemen's pliers, which worked fairly well, but I think a dedicated tool would have been better.
Admittedly haven't done many houses, but is it common to have furred out ceilings with an air gap for wiring? I'm in Canada and the wire is usually drilled through the joists.
Where I'm from in the US (South Florida) there are often furring strips under the joists for drywall backing but the cable is usually above the joists and stapled on top of the joists or some other framing. Sometimes it's passing through a hole in the joist if there's no attic or crawl space above.
@@jctai100 Looks like a flat roof. It can be a hazard I guess if someone isn't careful while drilling or cutting. It isn't common around here at least from what I've seen, though.
It is not code compliant to route the nm cable through the strapping, due to the likelihood of damage during drywall installation. Cable is required to be at least 1.25” from the framing edge or install suitable protection if that is infeasible.
Dude, everyone has a plotlaser in his back pocket. 😂 Otherwise, quite a helpful video. In our case the table is quite far away from where the cables exit the ceiling. Will this still work??
Most electricians don’t do drywall repair which would include taping and painting. You wouldn’t want them to anyways... leave that to the tapers/painters. That’s a separate skill in itself.
Yes, but chances are the old thermostat was much larger than the Nest and therefor covered a larger portion of the wall. Typically when there's something like a lightswitch or thermostat on the wall there's a sloppy, unfinished, unpainted area or even a hole right behind it. You use the backplate to cover it up if you're not up to the task of repairing or repainting the wall. There's a good chance you don't even have the right color so the backplate is often the best option.
I want to build a closet in my bedroom, but I don't know if I'll have to move my ceiling fan/light. The new closet will come within 5 inches of the fan blades. Also, has anyone else ever discovered that your fan or light fixture wasn't connected to an electrical box, but instead screwed directly to a joist with the wires coming through a hole in the ceiling?
If you didn't know Mauro was there to help patch the old hole, the way they cut this video made it seem like the henchman just came in to demand payment.
Those are lighting chain pliers, used to separate the chain as well as close once hooked together lighting fixture chains without damaging the paint on the chain, very handy tool runs around $15-$25 depending on where you buy them.
……or, just screw in a decretive hook where you want the light to hang from. This puts the light where you want it and lifts it up so you don’t bump your head.
Nice video of HALF COMPLETED PROJECT! Moving the light INCLUDES repairing the hole left at the previous location. It's BS videos like this that give homeowners unrealistic expectations when they're quoted a price for a COMPLETE PROJECT!
This video is not that helpful. Magically, the existing wiring could not have been more conveniently placed in the ceiling for the new fixture if you tried. Murphy's law is going to dictate that for most of us we would need to add wiring to reach the new fixture destination. That's the video I want to see.
Of course this was an ideal situation. How about you show what a non ideal situation would be like in the real world. I do this work every day and lots of times its not ideal. Fyi 3m wire nuts are junk.
HAHAHA! Thank God I wasn't the only one thinking that. I'm hoping it was just his nervousness of being on camera, but he totally gave me some super creepy vibes, lol
Switch over to the wago lever nuts they save si much more or the stab type also save room. Not saying wire nuts are obsolete but take up a lot of room especially in a pancake box.
Asians: Oh my god they are wearing shoes indoors and bringing all the crud from the sidewalk, like doogy poo and squirrel dingus, right into their house!
I'm not Asian and I was thinking the same thing. I especially found it odd that they were walking indoors with their shoes, but still made sure to place a mat down under the work area to catch any debris, lol.
Found out about em a few years ago and theyre awesome. I got a 50pack of the 3 port ones for whatever i need around the house. Much easier and ive used em on a few projects, Wago is definately better than wire nuts in most cases especially with using stranded and solid wires together.
Just once - I'd love to see them need to deal with an "unlucky" situation.
I was just gonna say that, lets see some outtakes!!
Lol
They kind of did once on the Ceiling Fan on Cathedral Ceiling project where the bottom of the roof rafter was right up against the ceiling so they couldn't install a normal light fixture box; luckily they had a pancake box on them at the time so they were able to use that instead
YESSSSS
Search for the full series of TOH renovating a Brooklyn Brownstone - you'll find dozens of challenges.
lol at the end Mauro was like "need some help guys?"
Probably to help patch the hole they left by moving the fixture.
@@Kilork13 My thought exactly! No TRUE electrician likes patching holes. Hi Hi
@@Kilork13 Yeah I would have liked that included in the youtube cut.
nice catch! he'll take it from here!
I would've used the cut out from the new hole, and used it to patch the old hole.
Ha! I like the painter shows up at the end to presumably patch the old hole. Must be nice having a world class painter in your back pocket. Quality professional work.
BEST electrician the show has ever had!
Disagree he’s good but my vote is for Scott
@@ghostface4072 I miss Scott, but I think sometimes he was considered “a hack”. 😂
@@ghostface4072 Scott the Magician which throws all junk behind dry wall? :D
I think Roger was the best electrician they had rip roger
@@bboi he tried doing too many handyman tasks out of electrical which exposed him as such. should have stuck entirely with electrical.
I'm glad they helped this guy out. Being James Taylor stunt double probably doesn't pay well and he can use the help.
😂
Loved the tip to install the chandelier “backwards” from most instructions. Starting with getting your canopy in the right position is brilliant.
I love watching competent professionals work. How relaxing .
I had to do this. I capped the existing box with a blank plate, then bought one of those plastic cieling medallions that was just big enough to cover the existing box. Worked a treat.
Junction boxes are supposed to be accessible not covered
@@RoastBeefSandwich but if there’s no wires in the old box it’s no longer a junction box.
I love how he was like, aight good luck with the exposed hole lmao
Given this is an episode of This Old House, I think the guy stepping in at the very end is going to through patching the hole.
Buddy was friggin tickled pink having Heath by to sort his chandelier out
3:12 - Moves the table to 70 1\4... "Yup, 69 1\2 inches!" 🤣🤣
Parallax error coupled with the beveled edge on the table looks like the wrong measurement.
Lol
Thank you for the use of the fan brace! My chandelier is held on by the box which is screwed into a cross member from a weird angle and distance. I didn't realize they make old work braces so I'll be upgrading it now.
What are the best practices to patch the hole from the previous fixture?
I think there's another patching and painting video to come. If you look at the end of this one, This Old House's Painter, Mauro, walks in as the clip ends.
Slide in a piece of 1x3 that's bigger than the hole. Screw through the existing drywall into the board to hold it. Put in a patch piece that fits the hole. And patch from there
Mauro's Video is up! th-cam.com/video/32L31SBlnoU/w-d-xo.html
Where's Mauro ? found him @ 8:01 .
he was there to fix the hole they left lol
Nice of his brother to walk in the last second.
Me too very interesting to see "unlucky" situation.
and now the hardest part. Patching the hole and perfectly matching the texture and paint (if you don’t have leftover original paint.
Easy peezee, the material that came out of the hole that was made will be use to patch the hole where the lamp use to be. Little bit of mud and paint and job completed.
@@gzamora138 the seam where the patch meets the ceiling will need to be texture matched and will definitely be noticeable if not done correctly, especially with upward firing lights. You never addressed if there wasn’t any leftover paint, which again, with upward lights, any differences will be noticeable.
I'm guessing that is coming soon, Mauro showed up right at the end
someone else mentioned a 36" medallion to cover the whole deal. Beats a repaint all the way into the hall.
@@rupe53 to me, they’re outdated, unless they’re going in a 1915 Craftsman home. Hey, but to each his own.
Cue the music: "Hey TOH, come around. You've got to send someone down. Hey, Heath, I'm no Handyyyy Mannnn."
Way easier to extend the chain of the fixture and add a hook over the table.
Yeah I have the same issue and planning on doing this. Been on my todo list for 5 years now 😂
But it is ugly with the exposed chains. Nowadays, priority is the aesthetics.
I loved this guy in better call saul.
Is there a video on how to move the ceiling box to a wall. I have a ceiling light over my kitchen sink that I want to change it to the wall.
The light was only 12" off center. I would have just screwed a hook in the wall centered over the table and run the chain & wire from original location of light to that hook then down? If keeping the same light fixture, done in 5 minutes!
Dude was getting paid by the hour though! 😂
Exactly! A hook would be so easy.
Good idea but he wanted a new light fixture.
@@davidalearmonth Nobody wants swagged chains in 2022 Lol
@@DougCeleste But that makes it even easier! The new fixture had the longer chain needed.
5:45 it would of been funny if he said "I don't"
"Eh, not really David but hey, you do you!"
And followed up with, “That fixture looks ridiculous, but so does the rest of your house”.
I bet when he hits his head on the fixture he feels light headed!
Go stand in the corner!
Certainly won’t feel very……….. bright… 😏💡
THATS GREAT but I have a concrete ceiling……any ideas to move my fixture????!
What's the tool you used to open and close the chain? I needed to do that a few months ago to hang stained glass. I used my linemen's pliers, which worked fairly well, but I think a dedicated tool would have been better.
4:50 Guest starring Thing from Addams Family
Admittedly haven't done many houses, but is it common to have furred out ceilings with an air gap for wiring? I'm in Canada and the wire is usually drilled through the joists.
Where I'm from in the US (South Florida) there are often furring strips under the joists for drywall backing but the cable is usually above the joists and stapled on top of the joists or some other framing. Sometimes it's passing through a hole in the joist if there's no attic or crawl space above.
@@illestofdemall13 We staple up here too, just never seen this. Would think it's a hazard with the wire just behind the sheetrock.
@@jctai100 Looks like a flat roof. It can be a hazard I guess if someone isn't careful while drilling or cutting. It isn't common around here at least from what I've seen, though.
Very common practice here in New England where strapping is installed on the joists like tbat
It is not code compliant to route the nm cable through the strapping, due to the likelihood of damage during drywall installation. Cable is required to be at least 1.25” from the framing edge or install suitable protection if that is infeasible.
Dude, everyone has a plotlaser in his back pocket. 😂 Otherwise, quite a helpful video. In our case the table is quite far away from where the cables exit the ceiling. Will this still work??
would I be ableto do this if the light is next to a vent and I want to move it to the other side of the vent?
What about the hole in ceiling?
Howd they get the camera up there
Hello this old house..! Please how you can help me to learn electrical wiring I’m a foreign whom is living in fort Lauderdale?
Who was that guy walking up 🤣 he was late to the gig
8:01 - What’s he doing here?
Probably going to patch the hole in the ceiling
Why’d he cut the wood in the ceiling?
Was he able to patch the ceiling or did the homeowner have to schedule with a different business?
Most electricians don’t do drywall repair which would include taping and painting. You wouldn’t want them to anyways... leave that to the tapers/painters. That’s a separate skill in itself.
@@thomasstogner4715 my dog can do that ceiling patch...
@@zachmiller4930 What's their availability? I have some work to be done.
@@rickybobby9255 DIY…..it’s all easy I dunno why everyone is so scared these days. Our great grandparents are probably embarrassed.
At 0:14 - in high end homes it is preferable to not use the white back plate on a Nest thermostat to a give "cleaner" and more high-end look?
Yes, but chances are the old thermostat was much larger than the Nest and therefor covered a larger portion of the wall. Typically when there's something like a lightswitch or thermostat on the wall there's a sloppy, unfinished, unpainted area or even a hole right behind it. You use the backplate to cover it up if you're not up to the task of repairing or repainting the wall. There's a good chance you don't even have the right color so the backplate is often the best option.
What about the hole
Are you kidding me? If I watch this whole thong it's not addressed?
So just gonna leave a hole in the ceiling??
3:15 Sure looked like 70’ to me 🫣
Lmaooo I had to rewatch that myself 🤣
Parallax error coupled with the beveled edge on the table looks like the wrong measurement.
I think you mean 70”
I want to build a closet in my bedroom, but I don't know if I'll have to move my ceiling fan/light. The new closet will come within 5 inches of the fan blades.
Also, has anyone else ever discovered that your fan or light fixture wasn't connected to an electrical box, but instead screwed directly to a joist with the wires coming through a hole in the ceiling?
Buy a smaller fan with smaller blades
Thanks for sharing.
Was that painter supposed to show up
Mauro was apparently renting a room at that house who then happened to wake up & go downstairs. :)
Sounds good guy.
I put everything together on the ground usually it's just easier for me
And I would take the cut out from the new hole, and Use to patch the existing hole
If you didn't know Mauro was there to help patch the old hole, the way they cut this video made it seem like the henchman just came in to demand payment.
This is the first I've discovered this old house and that's the comedy thought that went though my head. "Right now pay up or we break your kneecaps".
What’s the name of the tool he uses at 6:33 ?
Probably linesman pliers.
Those are lighting chain pliers, used to separate the chain as well as close once hooked together lighting fixture chains without damaging the paint on the chain, very handy tool runs around $15-$25 depending on where you buy them.
@@zacharyspishock650 thank you.
@@boholoki thank you.
I would not put a blank plate I would do the sheetrock repair and paint it.
……or, just screw in a decretive hook where you want the light to hang from. This puts the light where you want it and lifts it up so you don’t bump your head.
James Taylor on the show 🤔😅
@3:17
Since when did 70-1/8th become "Yep 69 and a half inches"?
You mentioned plumbing but forgot to mention hvac. :-(
Who’s the guy showed up casually at end of the video? 😂
This guy looks like a young James Taylor
The replacement light is fugly.
Great video as usual 👌
I would have just moved the table.
"Sounds great"
Surprise Mauro is surprise at the end
I'd just move the table back a foot.
yeah
That would be right in the path of entry going into another room from what I'm looking at..would look crappy
@@karlarentz7694 guess we all have opinions karen
Who hangs a wireless house phone on the wall like that?
The homeowner looked like James Taylor
Sure did, but he's no "Handy Man".
Why do these videos...the furniture styles...clothing...etc all seem like they're from 1992?
He got lucky that he did't hole saw into the romex. ;)
Anyone else notice this video doesn’t cover patching that hole in the ceiling?
You can see their painter come in at the end. They usually break it up into different segments. It should be coming soon.
Well spotted eagle eye.
The patching process
th-cam.com/video/32L31SBlnoU/w-d-xo.html
Nice video of HALF COMPLETED PROJECT! Moving the light INCLUDES repairing the hole left at the previous location. It's BS videos like this that give homeowners unrealistic expectations when they're quoted a price for a COMPLETE PROJECT!
*A wild Maro appears.*
If the video were 30 seconds longer, we could have seen the table back in place and see the final result. Just saying…
A retentive huh... bwahaahaa
Nah. Got to patch the hole. Or not.
@@robertbamford8266 that's why Maro ward there.
@@Guardducks Yup. With the hardest part of the job, I think.
Until his wife changes her mind and wants to move things around
How many times??
@@jimbohnenkamp5082 at least 3-4 time a year
He couldn’t even take the time to patch the hole to make the project complete?
That's why Maro shows up at the end.
this guy looks like he'd hit you with a "petty with a prior"
This video is not that helpful. Magically, the existing wiring could not have been more conveniently placed in the ceiling for the new fixture if you tried. Murphy's law is going to dictate that for most of us we would need to add wiring to reach the new fixture destination. That's the video I want to see.
James Taylor can't afford an electrician?
Ah, super finicky with several potential mishaps that will leave me frantically googling what to do next. So, hire someone else to do it. Got it. 👍
Why didn’t he cover the old hole. Who wants a plate on their ceiling?
Of course this was an ideal situation. How about you show what a non ideal situation would be like in the real world. I do this work every day and lots of times its not ideal. Fyi 3m wire nuts are junk.
Those tan/yellow & their twin orange/blue wire nuts do suck haha. But I prefer the 3m tan/reds and their longer skirted sister red/yellows
homeowner totally doesnt have bodies in his basement
HAHAHA! Thank God I wasn't the only one thinking that. I'm hoping it was just his nervousness of being on camera, but he totally gave me some super creepy vibes, lol
@@nnamerz 100%
looked like gargamel lol
@@RyanOnWeather LMAO!
Wirenuts are a code violation now.
A wild Mauro appears.
Oh for crying out loud. Screw in a hook over the center of the table and hook the chain to it. Solved for $2 in 5 minutes.
lmao that was an upgrade?
Sure, that's 69 and a half inches?
Sure looks like 70 1/16th. to me.
I was laughing at that too, but after a second look the table edge is beveled . The bottom of the bevel looks to be 69 1/2.
@@mikeberecochea2020 Yeah, just looked at it again.
The customer and keith have very similar voices lol
Bros gotta shave that hair off asap 😂
More like 70 1/2
That guy stepping in at 8:01 is his husband.
Made no sense, he wanted to replace the other one because of the location and he could bump his head but now the new one is even lower?
It’s in the middle of the table though lol
Lol dude looks like Spock
Switch over to the wago lever nuts they save si much more or the stab type also save room. Not saying wire nuts are obsolete but take up a lot of room especially in a pancake box.
Oh great. Here comes Mauro to screw up the ceiling patch.
Asians: Oh my god they are wearing shoes indoors and bringing all the crud from the sidewalk, like doogy poo and squirrel dingus, right into their house!
I'm not Asian and I was thinking the same thing. I especially found it odd that they were walking indoors with their shoes, but still made sure to place a mat down under the work area to catch any debris, lol.
Move your table a foot over and stop being a bunch of cry babies.
This video is close to useless. In reality, many steps along the way will prevent you from completing the task as they show here.
What a creepy guy
This was so cheesy
Gay!
Wagos - it's 2022 for heaven's sake. Lever nuts rock. Wire nuts are old school.
Found out about em a few years ago and theyre awesome. I got a 50pack of the 3 port ones for whatever i need around the house.
Much easier and ive used em on a few projects, Wago is definately better than wire nuts in most cases especially with using stranded and solid wires together.
Who the heck is that dude at the end?
TOH going woke?
That’s Mauro, the painter. Probably going to show how to patch the hole.
@@EricWalstrom Thought it was the customers husband
@@slappadabass3290 Does it matter? (He also mentions his wife at the beginning.)