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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
- My written review can be found here: soundnews.net/reviews/accesso...
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Video Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:28 - Test Setup
02:25 - Build Quality
03:19 - Controls
04:01 - Under its Hood
04:48 - This is The Way (Sound)
08:23 - Strange Are The Ways Of Networking
13:40 - Tone It Down A Little
16:24 - Link to a Comparison
16:38 - Wrapping Up
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Desktop headphones I’m using:
🎧 Hifiman Susvara: bit.ly/3a39pm2
🎧 Hifiman HE1000SE: bit.ly/3gwkXRW
🎧 Hifiman Arya Stealth: bit.ly/3HORBss
🎧 Audeze LCD-5: bit.ly/3nb5KbD
🎧 Audeze LCD-4: bit.ly/35LFYAK
🎧 Kennerton Rognir: bit.ly/3zD1IxT
🎧 Meze Elite: bit.ly/3RPojys
🎧 Erzetich Phobos V2021: bit.ly/3HMWBhf
🎧 Sennheiser HD800S: amzn.to/3T5FX2J
🎧 Sendy Peacock: bit.ly/3EyZxQf
🎧 Apos Caspian: bit.ly/3nab1QO
Wireless headphones I’m using:
🎧 Sennheiser Momentum 4: amzn.to/3CodrCc
🎧 Sony WH1000XM5: amzn.to/3RUfQKu
🎧 Apple AirPods Max: amzn.to/3rGHQqr
IEMs I’m using:
👂 7Hz Timeless: bit.ly/3q7RNgm
👂 Meze Rai Penta: bit.ly/3j2EhVa
👂 FiiO FH9: bit.ly/3zSWka5
👂 FiiO FH7S: bit.ly/3fYOgi9
👂 FiiO FD7: bit.ly/3nEqw4h
Loudspeakers I’m using:
🔊 KEF Reference 3: amzn.to/3qZKbMm
🔊 Natural Sound NS17: bit.ly/2TuUXx3
🔊 Sound Of Eden Crescendo UNO: bit.ly/3f5jO1X
Integrated/Power Amps I’m using:
💪 Chord Electronics Ultima 5: amzn.to/3CLWVxi
💪 Burson Timekeeper 3X GT: amzn.to/3Ext5hm
💪 Benchmark AHB2: amzn.to/37jcR9M
💪 Topping LA90: bit.ly/3SPThbj
Best DACs I tried so far (in no particular order):
🥇 Gustard R26 Discrete: bit.ly/3TemlZP
🥇 Gustard X26 PRO: bit.ly/2ORB7Ko
🥇 Chord Electronics DAVE: amzn.to/3Tbs2aY
🥇 Denafrips Terminator Plus: bit.ly/3rLr35m
🥇 Rockna Wavelight: bit.ly/3hD33xl
🥇 Audiobyte HydraVox: bit.ly/2VXJjZM
🥇 Musician Aquarius: bit.ly/2U9qwwT
🥇 Matrix Audio Element X2: bit.ly/3Eryerb
🥇 Matrix Audio X-Sabre 3: bit.ly/34oBFyG
🥇 SMSL VMV D2: bit.ly/3q9lIF7
Best Mid-Fi DACs:
🥈 Gustard X18: bit.ly/3CMcJ2W
🥈 Gold Note DS-10 Plus: bit.ly/3f7pYie
🥈 Topping D90SE: bit.ly/3gC5FcO
🥈 Musician Pegasus: bit.ly/2OvCOgn
🥈 Matrix Mini-i Pro 3: bit.ly/3t97FkN
🥈 SMSL SU-10: bit.ly/3Eq9jEm
🥈 SMSL VMV D1SE: bit.ly/3nbaTjT
🥈 SMSL M500 MKIII: bit.ly/3yvztl8
🥈 Soncoz SGD1: bit.ly/36IUQ5r
Best Entry-Level DACs:
🥉 Gustard X16: bit.ly/3SQr6ZL
🥉 Topping D30 PRO: bit.ly/3taPWcE
🥉 Topping E50: bit.ly/3q9e6CE
🥉 Topping D10S: bit.ly/3r1hWNh
🥉 SMSL DO200 MKII: bit.ly/3elkZO4
🥉 SMSL SU-9N: bit.ly/32U7qj3
🥉 Soncoz LA-QXD1: bit.ly/3gf8ONt
Best DAC + Headphone Amp combos:
🎶 Burson Conductor 3X GT: amzn.to/2xcfSKx
🎶 FiiO K9 PRO: bit.ly/3ejKRd3
🎶 Topping DX7 PRO+: bit.ly/3rH6siH
🎶 xDuoo XA-10: bit.ly/39UsS7K
Best Headphone amps:
💣Trafomatic Primavera: bit.ly/3Co8wAZ
💣Trafomatic Head2: bit.ly/3VdNrC1
💣Enleum AMP-23R: bit.ly/3CV2QQN
💣Ferrum OOR + Hypsos: bit.ly/3tbjNSn
💣Burson Soloist 3X GT: bit.ly/3q7nrus
💣Flux Lab Acoustics Volot: bit.ly/3fJegep
💣Benchmark HPA4: bit.ly/2xb6hn5
💣Sparkos Labs Aries: bit.ly/2xcOps1
💣SMSL SP400: bit.ly/3sAUEO2
💣Topping A90 Discrete: bit.ly/2YBwCnZ
💣Singxer SA-1: bit.ly/3eI6aCC
Best USB Dongles & Bluetooth DAC/Amps & Portable DAC/Amps:
📱 Chord Mojo2: amzn.to/3fWXYkM
📱 FiiO BTR7: bit.ly/3fJUhij
📱 Shanling UA5: bit.ly/3yuksQR
📱 xDuoo Poke II: bit.ly/3CIewWO
📱 Topping G5: bit.ly/3Evjs2p
Best DAPs:
🎵 FiiO M17: bit.ly/34pgo84
🎵 FiiO M11 Plus: bit.ly/3Ew0l8K
🎵 Shanling M9: bit.ly/3r4swDh
🎵 Shanling M7: bit.ly/3I9rldH
🎵 Shanling M6 Ultra: bit.ly/3RXGsKQ
🎵 Hiby RS6: bit.ly/3t9mUKw
🎵 Hiby RS5 MKII: bit.ly/3KSqiyE
🎵 Hiby RS2: bit.ly/3EgakPb
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I was a switch skeptic myself until I recently added an LHY audio SW 8 to my setup. I was pleasantly surprised with the improvements, which were quite similar to those you described. One noteworthy improvement was in the low level ambient details and spatial cues... My system already had a very low noise floor, and actually it was a rather shockingly unexpected improvement. I'm not one that needs to know all the technical details of why something helps my system... If I'm hearing a substantial difference that's all I need to know to enjoy the improvements 😂
Same experience here too... SW8 did kind of blew me away, in both audio, but most of all, streaming video. Well worth the price of entry.
Nice, I'm considering one of these.
Great review. If you noticed my message in the chat feed under the review of Hi-Fi Men Aria Organic headphones with my advice to listen to this magnificent switch. I'm thrilled with how much the sound quality has improved on my desktop headphone listening system.
I have bought 3 of these and it transformed my system. Makes no logical sense but that's what happened. Game changer.
Waiting the Rockna review!!
The most important equipment in audio that you cannot measure is a human being.
You must remember that it was a review from his ears. And I believe him.
I noticed the same track sounds different ... depending on the time, lights, mood... so maybe it was one of those moments...
In highly automated and noisy industrial environment, much easier then music analog signals sometimes give false/not exact information but after a few scans it comes back to normal... where some devices give alarm but some just what they got...
Only blind instant A-B test can help in this case but only if you are able to listen with high concentration at that moment for the above reasons.
Scientists from comments must know this. If not, they are not quite scientists... but emotional humans.
Everyone must remember that you give us what YOU hear as a Human.
Thank you for great videos you make for us humans! =)
Holy Grail!
Don't care about switches, don't care about streaming, don't care about filters and timing..
BUT I DO CARE ABOUT THAT AMAZING SETUP. The beauty, the elegance, the level of engineering... CONGRATULATIONS!🎉🎉👍👍
Very interesting that the differences were that big due to this switch, now I'm really curios to try one...
BTW, nice Tshirt ;)
When I set up my system with an LHY SW-6 I immediatly noticed that there was more bass. But this was only the first impression ... now I'm considering to add an SW-10 and connect it to the SW-10 over SFP fibre to get my system galvanic isolated from the router. Other people say that stacking at least two switches SQ even improves further. Let's try it.
I’m so out of this ..but not because I’m not interested..but my wifi is garbage ..6MPS at best..,so I think once I get better speed and service ..yup ..this is on my list .
Great video!
I wonder how it compares to the etherregen.
Another alternative to the SW10 or SW8 is the Netgear GS108Ev3 switch, around $50 on Amazon. Alpha Audio did a network switch shootout, and the Netgear GS108Ev3 came in a close second to the SW8. Slap a 12v linear power supply on the GS108Ev3 and I think it easily matches, if not surpassed the SW8. I own both, and the power supply. The nice thing is, the Netgear switch is affordable, and easily returned if it does not do anything for you. I would recommend trying the Netgear switch on a TV streaming device, and then check your televisions video quality and compare with, and without the switch. My folks thought I bought a new TV after installing the Netgear switch. ;-)
I am a great far/admirer of this reviewer. I bought a DAC (Gustard A26) based on his recommendation and really like it. As a EE/CS major and who has done network programming I am trying to see how this can make a difference. (Actually, I could change the sound a little bit in my system when I change the power supply to my switch (to which my server and Streaming/DAC is connected)). My guess is the switch is very "efficiently" (less errors/retransmission) delivering the data packets to the DAC. If the DAC has an "irregular" supply of data it probably interferes with the clocking out of the data to do the digital-analog conversion. It is also possible some noise is getting transmitted/generated during the data transmission/reception between the switch and the streamer/DAC. One person who could technically explain this better is probably Steve Nugent of Empirical Audio, from whose writings I learnt lots of digital audio technologies. I suggest people try better (linear) power supplies to their commercial non-audiophile switches and also possibly experiment with filters/galvanic isolators before spending more money on these rebuilt switches. Also, note, how Sandu uses proper footers on the devices to avoid physical vibration being transmitted to these electronic devices.
Multumim pentru bun content! O intrebare, daca se poate: clocku in sw 6 si sw 8, e de un nivel mai jos decat in 10 ? Mersi
PS: Jcat NET card ar fi o alternativa la asa un switch, sau astea is 2 componente diferite ca functie ?
Hi
Did maybe had the chance to compare it or even better, the sw6 with the newer gustard n18 pro?
Thanks :)
@soundnews
Hi Sandu, if you still own an R26, would be great to hear from you how does it sound with the SW-10 using its clock feeding the dac and using the optical fiber as a source of the sw-10, which is what I am thinking on doing with my R26. One box for a fiber insulation+reclocking fn the lan signal and the dac at the same time, sounds like perfection on paper.
thanks!
I was skeptical until I even changed from a CAT8 to a well made CAT6a ethernet cable (blue jeans ethernet cable), since the extra shielding on the CAT8 actually created some sort of skin effect that can influence the signal at the connection points (so I'd read). For the longest time, thought I was using a better solution, but wondered why everything sounded out of balance, even kind of out of phase. Enter the CAT6, and then WTF. Everything came together, sounded impactful, clear, natural, way more dynamic, transients for days, couldn't get out of my chair. My system is no slouch, I was wondering why things still didn't seem right? But eureka. Ordered just a regular netgear switch to see if that could even make a difference. If it does, I'll continue this counterintuitive madness to an LHY switch!
Self terminated any Cat5e cord will work.
Hey there I was wondering what is the brand name of the stand you have your gear on ?
Hi mate, I'm glad you asked, this is the rack: th-cam.com/video/5X34OmESYes/w-d-xo.html
What i2s cable do you use between the NET and WD Sig sandu?
Audioquest Diamond HDMI, I believe it was discontinued some time ago.
@@Soundnews you should give the Tubulus Concentus V2 a try, it's a very good pairing with Rockna
I use Meraki 220 switches that I got on eBay for $50. They have a rather high-end clock in them and I removed the SMPS and added LPS to them. Then I cascaded them via fiber which strips away a lot of the noise. It made a pretty big improvement in my system. I want to replace my switch closest to the streamer with this one and see if there are further improvements.
or use wifi and solve it altogether :D
@@net_news I wish. Doesn't sound as good for some reason.
@@Pete.across.the.street wifi6E is your friend
@@net_news interesting, I might just try it and see.
@@net_news looks like you would need a streamer that works with 6e. None are made at this time that I know of.
What if I use wifi?
The only good thing of such a switch is that it fills the pockets of the manufacturer.
It is technically impossible for a switch to influence the sound of a digital stream. Period.
A switch transfers Ethernet frames: ones and zero's. As long as a switchs doesn't change bits (aka: cause data corruption), nothing is changed to the information and nothing is changed to the sound produced by the digital data.
Clocking issues are non-existent as Ethernet signals are self-clocking and an Ethernet transceiver tolerates a fair amount of jitter. As long as this jitter doesn't result in a flipping bit, you won't hear it. It doesn't matter if a switch uses an ovenized crystal oscillator because no switch in the entire internet does, neither does your server.
The only place were jitter matters is in your DAC. Not in the Ethernet inteface.
The only reason such a switch sounds better than a TP-Link is simply because you paid way too much for it, so your brain makes you think it sounds better to justify the money spent.
please repeat if it helps
I was contemplating between lhy ock 2 clock or this with gustard r26. Not sure which one to get.
I added the ock 2 on the r26 and the difference is obvious, not subtile, I got taller soundstage and better clarity.
@@danieldion1662 are you using square wave n which bnc cable are you using?
I concur. The OCK2 was a big step up, but then I added an optical-to-RJ45 adapter with a LPS and wow did that make a nice improvement. I would imagine the SW10 is another step up from that... @@danieldion1662
IMHO the only reason to go for the OCK2 over the SW10 (other than price) is if you need to feed multiple DACs as the SW10 only has one output. But as an OCK2 owner, I am considering switching to the SW10. I suspect having the network and the DAC clocked to the same great 10MHz clock will be brilliant.
@@b00m3rh4nd_sol but you can only tell the difference if you try both?
Oh my god! Can please someone explain me, what a switch is and where it has to beizt in my system?! I always try to understand what that thing is. But I don’t get it. I have some Ethernet ports at my router and I use them. Would putting an additional item between my router and my streamer not just another thing for what exactly? What is the use of it?
Admittedly it is hard to understand networking from physical layer to TCP/IP and application layer. Also
Hard to understand the buffering effect in the DAC and the fact that the bit jitter is not what switches and router introduce but packet jitter . Also the equivalent “noise level” inTroduced that is way below the perception capabilities of human ear.
Professional audio/video used in broadcast industries do not deal with the issues audiophiles are having … but they have protocols such as PTP and SyncE to deal with timing issues but primary concern is synchronization not “soundstage” or anything SQ related.
So there is an excuse for people not knowing the reality but it becomes harder and harder to just accept this magical information and analysis.
Why would an audiophile have a need to understand it? Just plug it in and listen, doesn't matter how it works.
That is the point. If you understand how it works you understand that what some hear is not really true. Then it only leaves room for placebo :)
@@sanp.4763 so unless you understand how everything works in your system, you can't hear a difference between components? What I hear, I don't really hear?That doesn't sound right to me.
Yes, sorry missed your post. As somebody who has used a Ethernet Network Analyzer to look at data packets to look at data packets flowing between a database server and application, I think it is some combination of electrical issues and packet arrival times that is causing some perceptible differences in the DAC output. Yes, professional equipment is probably built to better standards, not just parts quality (which is mainly what audiophile companies work with), better standards in terms of technology and network protocols
What is this streaming you speak of 😅
no idea, you tell me
I do believe network components make a difference if are part of the chain, I just don't really understand why you include them in the chain to begin with. Why have a streamer in your hi-fi chain? Player with local storage out I2S/optical in to your DAC. You literally need 5-10k more in gear infrastructure just to use a streamer and renderer and network storage.
Network switch does not affect timing when the streamer buffers the whole file, then it's played from streamer memory, not the network.
If your DAC is affected by network cable, that's a bad DAC and you need to spend more than 20$ on a DAC. Put that 600$ into a good DAC that is well built instead of a network switch that does nothing.
Look at some measurements that demonstrate how network switches cannot affect sound, done by an audiophile with audiophile equipment
th-cam.com/video/BHPwPRLxDWc/w-d-xo.html
A great review, many people don't believe that digital music can be influenced by ethernet switch but I fully true and is a very good step. I used the SOtM sNH-10 with external master clock, but after many test in the last couple of years I found a great good ethernet cable that I replaced the Audiophile ethernet switch with only this cable connected to my Internet Provider router. No more external box and cables, just 1 plus the ground connection of this.
Which cable?
@@alexismasset Try with google " Faber's Cable ethernet Livello 3"
The people who don't believe it are the ones that haven't tried it.
@@Pete.across.the.street well mine apparently covers both sides, but think its at retail range atm
prob even worse, most are just guesses
A fool and his money are soon parted.
Just because they put Audio in the front of the item, we must to sell a kidney in order of buying it. That's ridiculer.
Ethernet switches affecting the sound is complete and utter non-sense BUT this one is a beautiful device well built and not so pricey. I'd buy one only for the looks. Audio jewelry.
Which ones have you compared?
@@Pete.across.the.street well I'm a networking engineer I've been working with switches/routers/gateways for more than 25 years... so I think hundreds if not thousands of Ciscos, Junipers, Huawei, ecc
@@net_news so none of the hifi switches? all of those have been in your hifi system?
I’m not into audiophile network switches, the science says it should not make a difference. Supposedly a fact. I use a cheap d-link network switch.
When I tested the Silent Angel Bonn N8, I was skeptical. Was there a difference? Yes. Mild but definitely audible.
My friend who is an IT person also tested it. He was very surprised there is a difference.
I still use my d-link network switch as I prefer to spend more on the main components first. Once that is done, I may look into network switches.
If you bliv, 1s and 0s are all there is, then streaming transports SHOULD sound the same when paired with a common DAC BUT they don’t. The difference is too obvious.
Difference in parameters such as clarity, detail and sibilant cannot be caused by psycho-acoustic.
If one believes in psycho-acoustic that much then how does that person demo gear before a purchase? Do they conduct a double blind test? Naaaaaaah … they listen, they are happy and they pay for it.
Unitl you try it , it doesn't make any sense...but low and behold it does..I'm a professional electronics engineer and I found it does make a significant improvement on my high end rig...
Holding an MSc degree in computer science and knowing more than little about networking, I can confidently say that every reference to timing you made here was utterly incorrect and gullible.
Sure, keep claiming you hear improved noisefloor. Although any decent DAC& AMP from the past decade makes that irrelevant, whatever, plausible in theory.
But there're in the neighborhood of 50 levels of separation between the signal timed and transmitted by a switch and the input of the software decoder of your encoded (!!!) music file you're streaming from wherever.
That includes multiple HW buffers on both network interfaces, multiple layers of protocol encapsulation, parsing, error corrections, possible retransmissions, HW buses, OS queue, caches, registers... And we're not even handling the decoded PCM signal yet.
Timing of what's transmitted over ethernet has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with audio. Period.
I was expecting such a comment and it's okay if you don't believe a single word I just said. I didn't believe in network switches myself and for more than two years I refused to use one. I'm not here to tell you what a switch is doing on the hardware or software levels, I don't have a degree in computer science, I'm here to tell you what it did to the sound in two of my systems. If you believe any of that is up to you to decide.
He was talking about the timing of the music, you are talking about the timing of the bits. I have found that switches like these strip away a lot of noise and improve my streaming sound quality greatly. ......if decent dac you mean $10,000+ dac then yeah, some of them.
@@Soundnews If a switch affects the sound, it's failing miserably at its job.
It's a network switch, not an equaliser that works in the digital domain.
Will my network printer print better with that s**t? Does it work for video or just audio, how it selects? I'll tell you a secret - Amazon, Google, Microsoft don't use nonsense like this in their datacenters, where streaming services host their data, nor do they use audiophool quality cables.
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