AK4D [Modernized G3] 650yds: Practical Accuracy (Feat. Karl | Swedish Army Weapons Instructor)
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Sweden 🇸🇪 makes expensive and useful furniture... for rifles. The AK4 (Automatkarbin 4) is a 1:1 copy of the German H&K G3 with a longer stock. The AK4D, however, is the last iteration of the modernized version of the AK4 / G3 system that Sweden uses.
The AK4C and AK4D systems are most notable for using a Spuhr upgraded stock that redirects the recoil impulse, shortens the length of pull and increases the shooter's sight height for optics use.
Specifically the AK4D system is upgraded as a "stop-gap" measure before the Swedish Armed Forces find a new permanent 7.62x51 NATO caliber DMR. (Many speculate this to be something equivalent to the HK417/Scar17-20 type rifles)
At the end of the day, Swedish forces basically took aging 50-year-old G3 type rifles and re-outfitted them for general issue and marksman issue. The AK4C/D story is one of Swedish pragmatism by spending less on new rifles so that they could afford more useful items in their military like night vision or thermals.
The AK4d is not without fault. Many of them are issued with aging Hensoldt Z24 4x28mm scopes for their marksmen. So how would this old piece of tech perform with some of the latest modernization upgrades? We find out and also hear from Karl, the Swedish Army Marksman program instructor.
For reference:
AK4 - stock G3 with irons
AK4B - irons cut off, 1913 rail welded on top with Aimpoint
AK4C - the AK4B with Spuhr stock with Aimpoint
AK4D - full conversion with Spuhr stock, handguard and atlas bipod with Aimpoint or Hensoldt Z24 4x28 scope (or optional scope)
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We''ve been getting numerous comments that people think that we are suggesting that the AK4 series are Sweden's main service rifle. It's not, we also didn't say that. See this timestamped video: th-cam.com/video/5CsHEdOFmzM/w-d-xo.html
@9-Hole Reviews This is a great video.
The opinion on the reliability of the G3 style rifle is polarized on the internet. Some said that it is ammo sensitive and need to keep the flute chamber clean while some said that it will run forever like an AKM and it doesn't care how dirty the locking area is.
I am wondering whether you have discussed about how does the dirty roller delayed system perfromed. Did the instructor mentioned that they need to frequenly clean the rifle or just leave it as an AKM and not to worry about it. I have heard that roller delayed system is dirty, but it doesn't affect the reliability; it is an AK in the 308 class. Is that true?
If not, would the cleaning procedure be cumbersome?
Thank you very much. Best gun channel on youtube.
@@HuGo10897 we’ve all found that the G3 (when built/ manufactured) properly is a superbly reliable system requiring very sparse maintenance.
Some people who have poorly manufactured examples experience issues.
Literally within days/hours of this video's publishing the Swedish Armed Forces announced its adoption of the Sako M23, an AR10/SR25 type SASS rifle from Finland. The timeline of fielding them has yet to be announced. We are most interested in seeing what type of optic they will select.
History tells us that the home guard will use the ak4d for many years to come. 😉 They are usually issued leftovers from regular units.
I’d like to bet it might be an S&B or Steiner.
The Army will get the new system. The Homeguard will keep this beuty for the forseable future 😁
Henry, your input may be required sir?😉
I know it’s probably a pipe dream but if they could somehow surplus of these to the US market that would be amazing!
The G3 is such a cool and unique rifle. Those cold war era battle rifles have so much personality.
@AB gotta stab them somehow
@AB Dude, with that thing you can stand on your south coast and stab people in Germany. Just remember to yell to the people on Bornholm to duck first! :P
Could have cooler, uniquer (izzat a word?) and longer-lasting personality if the boffins at CETME had followed up on the lessons learned developing the FG-42 and gone w/ a straight-line stock & raised sights to control recoil [as another rifle you might have heard of so famously did, er, M16 anyone?]
@@nunyabidniz2868 FG42 is gas-operated - G3 roller delayed blow back as MG 42 / MG 3
Is a CETME rifle
When I was a conscript in Swedish army I had luck , I got a brandnew Ak 4 , I was shocked at the precision when we were at the range , a new Ak4 have 25mm group at 100 meter with ordinary ball ammo , Imagen what it would do with match ammo ,
The rifle is heavy , they forced us to run from morning to late afternoon with the rifle with Light combat gear,
In the beginning you thought your arms would fall of , after couple weeks you didnt feel the weight , it became a part of you , the rifle is very sturdy , easy to dissambly and assembly , as a DMR rifle with a scope say 1-6 ore 1- 8 you reach 700 meter - 800meters with a new rifle , I liked it very much , would trust it .
Lucky you! In the Hellenic Army I had a M1 Garand first and that was heavy and kick like horse. Then I got a G3 no scope only with bipod, and it was so smooth and easy assembly/maintenance (except put the bolt back together fack that!) that I fell in love with it. Got great accuracy and even in full auto prone get everything on black target at 300m. The HK11 was very very control on full auto. On 10k treks I did notice the wieght...
Less than an inch group with ball ammo at 100m? Doubt.
I also had a G3 as a conscript in the Norwegian Army. Mine was a bit loose in the connection between the stock and receiver. Drills especially hurt that part and then you have a rifle which buck and hit you right under the eye unless you hold it like a wild animal. Fun to shoot, but coming from competition shooting I felt that the average G3 was a very crude tool. The ergonomics is also terrible unless you are shorter than 6,5/195cm. Your left hand position shooting unsupported laying down is very cramped, or your elbow angle will be too large. A tight rifle with a bipod and a scope, that’s something else altogether.
@@bkraabol wait what? Norway and Sweden have conscription? Since when has there been mandatory military service?
@@chickenfishhybrid44 i can comfirm.
I'm not swedish but i only have to say one thing about this, Jättebra!!
Wha?
@@martinbaumgardner4432 Jättebra is "very good" or "excellent" in swedish. One of the few words i know
@@hector_mattenheimer thanks I have Swedish friends here in the US could have asked them
Mycket bra 😀
@@petter5721 varför ser jag dina kommentarer på alla videor som har något med försvarsmakten att göra XD
4:56 vapor trail. Really shows just how severe the curve gets of rounds sent down range.
I'm pretty sure wide FOV and camera's perspective is also contributing factor in here.
I'm being pedantic, but it's not a vapor trail. It's a shock cone from the rounds traveling supersonic.
@@super6_1 Thank you for the correction
I coulda sworn it was one of those cool "The Matrix" bullet trail effects...
@@super6_1 Well I'm being even more pedantic. A shock cone is a component in some jet engines, I believe you are looking for the word: "Vapor cone", which is a cone of water vapor produced when objects travel through the air at high speed, most notably transonic. (not supersonic, which is why they often appear and quickly disappear when jets are accelerating from subsonic to transonic to supersonic)
To be clear, the phenomenon occurs because as the object is travelling it is producing a variance in pressure around it, which we know as a shockwave. This pressure variance can cause the water in the atmosphere to rapidly undergo condensation (as we all know, the boiling point changes as the pressure in the air does.), thereby becoming visible to optical devices, such as a human eye.
The name shock cone is perhaps more logical, as the water isn't even a vapor, that's its entire thing. The water becomes visible due it NOT being a vapor. Not to mention the cone is produced by a shockwave. But here we are.
Can’t wait for part 2, excellent content as always.
5:26 is that a deer behind you?
Good eye polenar 👍👍 love your channel btw!
No that’s that spider dog
its a big dog ;)
Is your G3 still ded or did you get it fixed?
@@spets4265 i fixed it myself, need to make a video with that gun soon
I did my conscript service with Karl! One of the best specialists during the whole service, No Doubt!
Tack :)
@@kalled4662 Tänt "ÄR" det här! Viktigaste.
You forgot to mention the G3s secondary offensive capability of turning ejected cases into projectiles.
I love my PTR 91 setup with irons and surplus German green furniture, but it would be fun to buy a second one and build it out like this.
If this is something you're interested in, buying a CETME kit is a fun way to get into these and you don't run the risk of fudging on a German/HK kit on your first try.
@@sorry...nowbased That would be fun, but I’d probably spend more on the tools needed to build one than just buying another PTR. Though if I had the tools I could build more than one 🤔
@@johnpenwell6402 now you're catching on 😀...
In all honesty, buying one is easier, probably cheaper, but with $125 parts kits, it's much closer than you'd think. Also, the more you make, the cheaper it is lol.
That's not it's secondary offensive capability. But it is it's third. It's second is the fact that when out of ammo it makes a perfectly good substitute for a base ball bat!
You forgot the third offensive capability: You can club your enemy to death if you are out of ammo.😅
Enjoyed the fact that you got a knowledgeable person from Sweden to talk about their rifle and training, hopefully you can do this with other countries as well!
Ever since I saw Ian with his Spuhr upgraded G3, I wanted to do this with my C308. This video has solidified this project. While the original German furniture looks cool, its built for Thor and as an American of average proportions, it's kind of a a beast to handle. Also its like 4 inches from the comb to the level of the scope, which sucks.
no you just need to power of a teutonic warrior to handle it
@@jolioding_2253 also gorilla length arms
How do you like your C308? They have a pretty bad reputation and I've seen 2 break from normal use.
@@gundude82 Mine works great. The only things I didn't like were the new production polymer lower and the lack of a paddle mag release. I got a clipped and pinned surplus lower, and am going to have a paddle installed or do it myself, depending on difficulty. It even came with a properly aligned pic rail on top. Other than that, it's just typical G3 ergonomic concerns. The thing runs everything from tula steel case to match ammo and is quite accurate. Even came with a nice muzzle break. What more could you ask for $600.
Comb is that way for a reason, only Gigachad is allowed to use a magnified optic.
5:26 wow thats a very realistic looking and even moving deer silhouette on that range
I've had the pleasure of having an opportunity to shoot an AK4, courtesy of the Latvian National Guard. A bog-standard AK4, none of these fancy improvements.
The comment about being 'too weak', I could not agree more with. Being a very lightweight guy, in my experience the recoil absolutely kicked the living daylights out of me and the charging handle was decidedly stiff. I don't blame any of that on the gun. Despite showing its age, it's still a serviceable rifle. Sure, nothing fancy by modern day standards, but I'd gladly rely on one if I had to.
And once again Henry demonstrates how good of a shot he is.
I guess you would be good with it after shooting it for a week.
I very much agree, AK4b in Swedish service is a home guard rifle btw, I missed if that came up or not in the video, the Army has the AK5, anyway, the AK4 kicks the shit out of a small/light guy or gal shooting it, it moved me around on the range when prone :D and the AK4B is a gigantic rifle if you are shorter in statue, I'm 5'10 so in Swedish terms I'm a shortarse and with uniform, splintervest and combatt vest and all the gear on on you get too bulky and will have difficulty pushing the rifle in at the sholder enough to get a good sight going. But it's accurate and 7.62 will get most badguys on their backs in a hurry. I wish the shorter stock were available during my 10 years in the home guard.
The accuracy of this platform is no surprise.
I'm fortunate enough to own a 1979 HK91, with a set-trigger the rifle is pretty easy to shoot well.
Keep it forever
They were asking $3k for those 20+ years ago. Today they're priceless.
@@destroyerarmor2846 I've had mine for about 15 years.
I spent another 10 years purchasing rare and hard to find HK accessories for it as well as 2 complete sets of spare parts. My goal was to pass it on to my Son.
I have the same year HK91, and also had it modified with a set trigger by Williams Trigger Specialties in the 1980's! I got the torturous A2 collapsible stock too, which looks cool but hurts. I also have the STANAG mount, which is also cool looking, but is heavy and very elevated. I'll never sell my black beauty.
During my time in the Swedish marines I loved that rifle! With the optics we got at our unit we shot from 500-600 meters every week.
The sound is just unique. A big bang with some heavy metal parts moving. Reminds of my time with the Bundeswehr. ;)
I have to respect the Swedish forces for their adaptability in using the G3.
A strong rifle that won't break the military budget. Henry's range report says it all.
@Mike Andersson Awesome. I have built several upgraded G3 versions using Cetme C parts kits. Very affordable in the U.S.
These are the definition of 'battle rifle'. I am also an Andersen. Ancestry is from Denmark and Norway. Vikings always find a way.
I like the Ak4 - Only thing I find slightly disconcerting is how it flings the spent cases into the next municipality.
I had a love affair with FAL's until I fired one. Then I went down the battle rifle rabbit hole and bought a PTR, been a fanatic ever since. I hope to one day buy an HK 91
@Random Pickle it's crazy how tough the g3 is. During my research I'd find multiple pictures of rusted out Portuguese g3's being used by African rebels. Rhodesian troops also seemed to like them.
@@ML-762 G3 still working in Africa against AK.
My brother shot a 90's era Steyr imported FN FAL into a 1 inch group at 100 yards from the bench in the early 2000's. It was probably a fluke and he quit for the day; he and I couldn't believe it and we would never repeat it. Normally it's a 2-3 moa rifle.
@@Tony-om5kr Given that the NATO requirement was 4 moa, and most soldiers are not skilled marksmen, that was not an issue in actual use
G3 ergos are pretty shit.
Huh, interesting. It's really different seeing how other programs are differing than the US program with the M110a1. it's more interesting to hear how accurate the G3s are.
Kind of crazy with the accuracy right? #Newlettergang
G3s are great but sad for reloaders as the empty shells get warped more than other models.
Free floating, delayed blowback? That's great accuracy potential.
@@chinesesparrows literally not an issue. Fireforming brass is easy and inexpensive and you can easily remove the dent. Or you can install a brass buffer super easily.
@@9HoleReviews i have a g3 it used to send my brass 2 o'clock 45 to 60 feet when it was new the brass was reloadable for about 3 times i ran into a 87 years old Koran war vet he told me to take a 22 caliber bore brush wrap it with scotch bright green very tighty and use bore lapping compound and a cordless drill a long bore rod to the chamber i did it one time and i could see the difference between before and after right away i repeated the process two more times the chamber is like Glass now with little to no chamber markings of any kind on my brass the fluting fired markings are about only 25 to 30 percent of what it used to be on the brass even though almost no fluting was removed and now one 308 case can be reloaded ten or more times and best of all it exjects at 2 to 3 o'clock at 15 to 20 feet now with little if any dent on the side of the casing if i shoot 180gn there is a dent but this rifle was designed for 150 ball ammunition. I cast my own 150 and 165 grn 312 dia powder coated rounds at full velocity i have sent over 16 hundred down this g3 with no ftf or fte never i love my g3 1963 production date weapon yes it's intact also with a spare neutered fcg for the range days . Happy shooting.
Thank you for being as thorough as you are with these. Looking forward to part 2.
A little surprised the AK5 wasn’t mentioned which is our main weapon since a couple of decades, but that’s maybe in the next vid.
Regarding Karl talking about our marksmanship history in part 2, maybe we’ll see the m/96 Mauser then?
Would love to see what you would be able to do with that one Henry.
Great video. Thanks for making it.
I’m a Swedish Homeguard soldier in the DMR role. I like the Hensoldt (actually I own a slightly more modern illuminated version for my civilian HK770 rifle too). The best feature is the bullet drop compensation, so quick to set.
Another thing: The Homeguard Sharpshooter also have the Psg-90 (7.62 Accuracy International with a 10x42 S&B scope) as their squad weapon.
They’re all good weapons. But we all know it’s the FN MAG and the 84mm Carl Gustav recoilless which makes the real difference.
I am very happy to see this video... I just bought the "GI" PTR 91 and had this type of conversion (into a DMR) in mind...
Thanks for the fantastic, instructional, video! I am now a subscriber!
Karl was my instructor, very good instructor!
Hoppas att jag har fel, isf är dem jäkligt lika. men kan det vara så att det är samma Carl Ekbring som gick bort förra våren i en snölavin?
@@eslameisa5517inte samma person
In 2019 I was issued one of these, brand new, manufactured in the 70’s. Way more accurate than necessary for its purpose, super easy to handle, fantastic to shoot. One of my favourite calibers. But man was it heavy to haul around, and using it dynamically for a full day on the range is a serious workout.
I've used the G3 in Norwegian conscript service. It's a nice rifle. Actually prefer it to the HK416 we "upgraded" to.
You also prefer to carry 10kg of ammo instead of 6 for the same number of bullets?
same. loved it.
This was an outstanding review, I like it when the actual user states his opinion " no fluff ", just his view !!...........thanks
Really interesting video as always!!! and its really nice to see a swede talking about it.
Loved the fact that you brought in a SME to provide some context. Great vid.
#newslettergang represent! Get on board with the rest of us, normies!
#Newlettergang zuhause!
During basic training, like 95-96, we used the AK-5. Absolutely loved it, light, very comfortable to use when clearing buildings too. Much later when I joined the Home Guard we instead used the regular AK-4 and yeah it's quite the difference. It surely packs a greater punch, but it definately is heavier and clearing buildings with it could get awkward at times too due to the size and weight of it.
I personally love the ACSS reticle that primary arms offers.
Something about the G3 I just love over any other 7.62x51.. Ever since CoD 4 Nothing has ever gotten close to how much I love this gun.
Just signed up to your Patreon. Excited for this review. I'm truly impressed by the quality of your content. A real gem in a pile of tailings.
The Hensoldt scopes for the AK4 is actually quite nice for shooting on the range, the glass is good and the turrets are fast and clearly marked. All i've seen in service in Sweden are made in 1977. The old reticle is a minor problem but the big problem with them that you did not mention is eye relief and eybox. The eye relief is super short which is not very fun in a .308, and the eyebox is minimal.
AntonW194200, I just picked up of all things, a custom built short FAL Stg-58 that came with a Swedish marked Hensoldt for these that is dated 12/71. So they did make at least some of them earlier. How it wound up in the United States, and on an Argentine STANAG-type FAL top cover, is anyone's guess. But there it is, nonetheless.
There will be new Hensoldts sights soon :-)
I love the work you guys do !!!
Just a sidenote about the length. We used the old version of Swedish AK4 for our training. Our conscripts don't get away just because they are short. Somebody complained. Our 160 cm instructor told them off. He can shoot just fine with it and preferred it to Galil. That's an opinion.
But... Our best shooter was 140-150 cm dude ( I didn't ,essure, ok). He might have different opinion about the length. But that doesn't change the fact he had better grouping on the target than anyone else. Funny as hell seeing him crawling into an unimog, but no joke with a gun.
Swedish marksmanship. Great history. Great video, impressive run. I am kinda old, learned on the 6.5 M38 plateform. First instructions on marksmanship...Dad, WI deer hunter. His Dad from Sweden. PS: 4X just fine - M41B AJAX.
Appreciate the service member's participation. It added to the narrative. Like you, I would shudder to remove the sights when the weapon has such an old optic. Good show.
This was a great episode , I have had the G3 since the mid 90s and love it. I only have the clamp on style scope mount and hate because it's not parallel with the barrel. Irons work good though
I like how they brought in the scope they will be testing next towards the end and Henry looks "surprised". LOL They both have a really good sense of humor and timing. And their blooper reels and the like are really good as well. The one I love the best is when Henry had to use a hammer on the Mosin to eject the spent casings and Josh made the comment about Khrushchev's Mallet. LOL
Love hearing from guys from other militaries and how they go about tasks. It’s interesting.
I’ve been binge watching all episodes so seeing “posted 11 minutes ago” is an absolute blessing
Another fantastic show. So informative and entertaining! Thanks!
#Newlettergang thank you:)
Awesome video specially with interview with the Swedish instructor. Love your videos.
The Ak4D is used by the regular forces as shown. In the Homeguard though we're the main user of the Ak4, we don't have the Spuhr handguard for our scope equipped Ak4s. Three per platoon on paper.
I love the line sof the G3. Nice to see she's still kicking and hitting at range.
So happy you`re using new or barely used targets (Or just repainted) it always frustrates the hell outta me when I can`t see exactly where the hit was...
That is even more problem with a 5.56 etc
A 7.62x51 generates pretty solid hits for a very long distance too
With 5.55 post 250-300 yards, it doesnt even move target a bit
it's nice to be able to see the hits, but at the same time the enemy is not going to wear hi-vis to give you easier hits
certain competitions - under physical stress, on the clock - have a no-paint policy to make the target almost blend into the Arizona desert background lol
Great video and shooting. Glad to hear this perspective from the Swede school of shooting thought. Excellent presentation Gents!☯️🎩♠️🏁🎯
hey there #Newlettergang ! Yeah we were fortunate to get to chat with Karl, def interesting to learn from the actual users!
had basic ak4 as my issued rifle for 11 months, definitely nice rifle and lots of fun on full auto
Worth mentioning is that all AK4s (or soon to be all at least) are being upgraded to the AK4B model, where the rail is welded on, but not primarily for long range scopes but for the Aimpoints that are now standard issue.
Estonia Defense League (home guard) would love to upgrade their "outdated" G3 rifles in the same way, even with their WW2 type optic.... The two other Baltic countries' home guards also keep donated AK4; upgrading some of them in order to field a DM rifle for each fireteam would be a good step.
Sweden gave a lot of G3 to the Baltic states👍🏻
I shot the G3 aka AK4 first time when I was 14.
When I did my military service we used the AK5 in the swedish army.. this was 1993.
To My knowledge the Ak4 is used by the swedish home guard, something like a swedish reserve force.
It mostly is a bunch of old guys or very unfit guys.. but they can shot.
If I could choose between A ak4 or a ak5 I would have a hard time, I like both.
Man I remember lugging my Ak4 around between 1995-96. Was good to shoot but a bit long when climbing in thru windows or in cramped APC's.
Swede here, 1000's and 1000's of shots with this one (ak4) and scope, 600m no problems, we pushed it on target practice up to 750 and 800... I love it!
I had a G3 in my obligatory military service in Turkey, I also shoot with a HK33 and AK and after G3 , they were a bit toyish. G3 says I am a rifle and if you can shoot with it its enormously deadly and accurate. It's also heavy. When you try to shoot in full auto, you will get dizzy.
Don't forget the black eye from the recoil 😂. Have Turkish MKE and Pakistan POF models in my country, and the MKE is smoother
The work horse of the Swedish Home Guard to this day! We are right now in the middle of switching to the D version.
The sound quality of 9 hole videos are truely comfortable to enjoy, especially the perfect balance between excellent muzzle noise and human talk. I'd like to ask you guys how you collect the sound for the field trail trial. In the video I can clearly saw somekind of recorder beneth the rifle and some kind of lavalier microphone attached to the recorder placed on the left side of the shooter, on the backpack if more precisely. I can also imagine another clip-on microphone and a recorder for Josh, and another really good mic somewhere else to collect that perfect muzzle sound and target hit sound. I would be so happy if you guys can show what equipments you are currently using and how you are using them. Thank you.
That piano and rifle slung across Henry's rear end gives me goose bumps every time.
Thank you for the metric distance addition, very much appreciated.
100 yards is like 8 meters less than 100 meters. Not much difference
Good video! And good choice on the iron sight :-) Very correct video also i can add for those who have not seen the rifle ( greetings from a swedish home guard).
The thing about you having to be strong is pretty true. It gets fairly heavy to lug this around, especially in the snow. But you also have to be fairly strong to shoot it, we have had cases where the person simply we're not able to meet the recoil enough while kneeling or standing. Since the rifle is recoil based it couldn't cycle another round in and had to be manually cycled.
But with the Spuhr stock and a red dot you are really capable.
It's not "recoil based" per se. Even an AR-15 will short-stroke if you don't hold it properly.
@@skepticalbadger
It think you got what I meant.
Yeah very shocking that a 12 lb rifle with a bipod on a free floated handguard and a magnified optic shoots well lol.
@@chickenfishhybrid44
It's not free floated.
@@MrTigerpirro
It is kind of… More or less so depending on version/manufacturer. I think forgotten weapons explains how.
FYI, The standard military rifle in Sweden is the AK5 (FN FNC). Home gard in Sweden use the previous standard rifle AK4 (G3)
The person at FMV whom decided to mill off the iron sights should be prosecuted! Especially since it was originally outfitted with a battery powered aimpoint 1x sight when they did that.
I can see no downside with keeping them on.
//swedish soldier with quite extensive experience using the AK4B.
I suspect someone thought the front sight protector got in the way of the aimpoint sightline...
@@SonsOfLorgar then that person was dumb and/or lazy. It would clearly not be in the way.
Really good follow up interview with Karl to get the view from someone who uses the equipment.
The G3 Is a heavy Autoloading rifle... But for how fundamentally accurate the action itself is, it's very lightweight for that role.
It's no wonder *nothing* in 7.62 NATO that's Autoloading has yet to exceed the raw precision of a PSG 1 action, which is basically the G3 action but beefed up with crescent rollers, heavier barrel and forend, etc.
@@ancientrenegade9243 I'm fairly sure he's referring to the gun as it comes straight from the factory with military ammo. I'm not sure on ar10 accuracy from a mil-spec factory but I'm pretty sure you would need specific ammo and 3rd party parts. I could be completely wrong tho
@@ancientrenegade9243 A lot of the later DMS are sub 1 moa, but 1/2 moa? Thats gotta be pretty rare, doesn it. Thats sniper level of accuracy, which is not common for semi automatic rifles.
@@ancientrenegade9243 When I say sniper, Im talking about sniper rifle here. And dont even start nitpicking, military designations arent consistent anyway.
From what I can google, the
the british LMT is about 1 moa as well. Or very slightly below that.
edit:. 98moa at 200meters in british trials. Sounds about the same for most semi auto DMRs ive read about.
@@ancientrenegade9243 As I edited in, apparently it had 0.98 MOA. Far away from the 0.5 MOA that I was skeptical about.
@@ancientrenegade9243 As said, I was just very interested in the 0.5 MOA thing. That wouldve been incredibly accurate, even for an DMR, from what Ive seen. Like, the L96A1 had that level of accuracy IIRC.
The G3 is in a completely different category anyway, no shame in that. Its a general service rifle from the late 50s, you just dont expect that level of accuracy from such a gun.
Of course it gets beaten by modern permium priced MDRs. And ofc the DMT is accurate even for DMR standards, from what I can see.
Re-watched the Martini-Henry Practical Accuracy after seeing you help promote Rob for Most Dapper, and it got me wondering. While it might be a logistical and practical nightmare to do an episode on, a Practical Accuracy test for the Whitworth Rifle would be amazing to see!
hey, love what you guys do and greatly appreciate it! Will you guys be able to get the VHS 2 / Hellion in for some accuracy testing? would love to see how it stacks up to the AUG
I fondly remember a platoon combat shooting with the G3. The flap targets came at us starting at 600 meters, from I think 400 meters on we were supposed to start fighting them. Apparently I didn't listen well enough and shot at all targets at 600 meters in my field of view with ironsights and tracers. That was one of the most fun shooting exercises of my army time. The scolding of my sergeant followed promptly, of course.
I'm "too short" and "too weak" and for me, the AK4C is definitely too heavy. I love shooting it - I can shoot sub moa groups with a red dot with it, but it's way too heavy for me to carry around all day. My AR is light as a feather in comparison. Luckily, I'm a driver in the military, so it rides with me in the vehicle. That said, if I get into a firefight, I really want the power of the AK4 on my side, especially against modern body armor.
Ball 7.62 NATO doesn’t penetrate modern military body armor.
@@509Gman You are aware that there are different levels of body armor, right?
@@Pallidum Modern body armor has no problem with 7.62x51 steel core, that is the standard in most western countries military. Unless you're carrying a 7.62x51 for ballistics and can't/wont use a cartridge better for longer range you're better of carrying a caliber that you can carry more rounds and have better recoil ergonomics. Current military training teaches to account for body armor and not expecting center mass hits do be disabling
@@wtfimagination Fair enough. Truth to be told, I'd rather have a much lighter rifle to start with. And more ammo of course.
This is one of my favorite rifles and videos you've put together--thanks for it, makes me want to upgrade my 91. And HEY--Tell Karl I'd be glad to take him as a section sergeant!!! "Because they're too weak"....HA HA HA, we need more of that here!! Promote ahead of peers.
Well I guess I have to buy a G3 now
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Martin Riggs' choice to use a G3 on General McAllister's men is clear now.
Looking forward to the next session with this rifle.
I ended up installing a Steiner p4xi 1x-4x on my HK91 and couldn't be happier.
SPUHR just makes great stuff. I love the scope mounts that I use on 2 rifles. Interesting fact: here in Germany most sport shooters don’t like the G3 that much, nowadays you mostly see AR15 style rifles…maybe I have to get one and tune it 🤟
It's a common thing around the world. Here in Brazil we have new production FAL to buy but most will go with the taurus T4, a Brazilian made Ar15. The American aftermarket for the ar15 is so massive that it just doesn't make sense to use the quirky stuff
That was a nice way to end this episode. Hype for even more modern G3 on the range. Great run and awesome content as usual, 9-Hole Reviews Team. :)
Down the road I want to build a modernized PTR. Ideally with an ACR stock, if decent adapters become more mainstream. Not sure if I'll be able to justify a Sphur handguard instead of the much cheaper Midwest Industries MLOK one. I REALLY wish that some kind of carbon fiber handguard was an option
It looks good, as a marksman myself (20 years ago), i feel the introduction of the bipod was to upgrade it further (to benefit the optics), then get better optics (if budgets allow). Because if it works on a more stable platform, thats a win. ( i still like the FAL, the L86a1 was accurate but wonky, but thats a basis, the HK53 was a good sub rifle)
Hang on, was that the yet to be released updated Primary Arms PLX 1-8 FFP they just teased about like 2 days ago?
I wish, we're asking to get one of the samples to check out, they stripped the weight down on those tremendously!
The AK4 is mostly replaced by the AK5 but some units still have it for various reasons. The home guard for economical reasons (they exist and still work, might as well use them) and some other units for the added penetration of 7.62 vs 5.56 I think. AK basically is the same as AR, just using swedish 😅
Yes i wanted to point that out as well, the AK4 is used by the home guard (hemvärnet).
AK5 will be replaced by Sako AKs (5,56 & 7,62) starting next year while AK4 will remain in service with the home guard fore several more years.
A firearms channel I can actually watch. No stupid bearded bro gym-rats espousing a bunch of political crap. Yours is serious thoughtful content on a subject that demands it.
Just to clarify; this is not the current standard issue carbine in the Swedish armed forces, far from it. It was actually replaced back in the early 90’s with the 5,56 mm FN FNC tweaked for, and manufactured in, Sweden and our particular needs with regard to climate et c. This platform is practically passed over, down to the last one, to the home guard division of the Swedish army. In the regular forces, it’s basically considered an antique…
Except for skarpskyttar(sharpshooters)
Would love to see a modernized FAL w/ scope (like the DSA )
Nein !!!……only Kraut Space Magic can be magical…
FALs are going to be 2.5-4 MOA guns unfortunately. Good enough for work out to 500 yards on human sized targets but it ain't gonna be super consistently accurate
@@signs80 People have built 1 MOA FALs, but shit is finicky, barrels are meh, handguards are usually awful. A free-float handguard and some small shop were making good barrels like a decade ago, but that's all gone. You're right about the platform not being geared toward top accuracy, but good gunsmithing can do wonders, and - ultimately - the most critical component to precision is the ammo and the barrel.
@@lucastonoli3256 It's definitely possible it's just cost prohibitive. To build a 1 MOA FAL takes bedding, free float rails, expensive barrels, extra tight lockup with extra attention paid to locking shoulder etc. which puts you in the 3k+ range price wise
@@signs80 Yeap, there was a small shop charging something like that several years ago. Don't even want to imagine how much it would go for now. Still an awesome rifle, I'm convinced people are obsessed with a degree of precision that hardly matters or is just too much for them as shooters (the rifle outperforming the shooter, so to speak). For a competition shooter? Sure, chase that precision, the rest of the people need to chill a bit.
Brilliant show again guys. Great run with a very interesting platform, awesome couple of debrief/discussions cant wait for the follow up. Cheers.
9-Hole Theorem… Henry is to distance as Josh is to speed
Duality of Man.
Great Video Guys..
I Love the Modernization of the Riffle
And I Love hat Intrerview,
Very Informative ..
Curious how this rifle did with an optic of our choice? Check out the following video here: th-cam.com/video/5CsHEdOFmzM/w-d-xo.html
Do a practical accuracy test with a stg44 🙏.. I would love to know how effective that rifle/ammo system actually was, when it came out of the factory back then.. I know it’s a hard challenge, but life is meant to be hard.. Im so fed up watching TH-camrs flipping the switch to fun, and blaze away, every time they get their hands on one.. There has to be someone, that has recently replaced a worn out barrel on a stg44 with a similar.. Hope this message gets through.. That experiment, if done right, could end up, as a important historical document 🙏.. Then afterwards, compare it to the M1 carbine.. That way you compare 2 contemporary cut-down cartridges, with their rifles.. Hope you get this message 👍🏻👍🏻 T Y In advance
I think I have heard somewhere, that the Germans had a concept for using that rifle.. That the squad infantry only went full auto, when the the squad MG needed to change barrel, then flipped back to semi..
Henry kneeling beside the target at at 1:15 brings to mind the line from Brian De Palma's "Scarface": "Say 'Hello' to my little friend!"
I wonder if his alarm made him lose his concentration and that’s why he missed that one shot? Could even be that the wind changed between the shots or that he had to reposition himself.
Yeah, that shot looked rushed, I'm pretty confident he would have connected if he let himself get back in the zone first
Combat stress…
Impressive results!
I want a VZ58 patch… 🤔
Thanks for that. I shot the prototype once upon a time, with the Aimpoint CS.
Who will change DMR optics first, Russia for the SVD or Swedes for the AK4D ?
Betting is open.
I briefly owned a PTR-91 back about 11 years ago. To say the case extraction was robust would be a huge understatement. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if some of that brass was still in orbit around the earth.
I'd love to see the PTR-32 and how it compares to AKs and the vz 58 on the rifle course.
Id be interested as well. I used to own a ptr32. And I can say it is more accuate than the AK, I am more accurate with a VZ and the VZ is sooooo much lighter, I kept the VZ and sold the PTR 32. That said, the ptr is well made.
Thanks guys for another awesome vid!! One thing Henry: Spitz(-geschoss)[no "-er" at the end, it is not "pointier" than s.th.] is in most parts of Germany pronounced like Schpitz, or Shpitz for all English speakers. As 2.5-lingual person, it shouldn't be to hard for you.
I tried many times to get FW-Ian to say "Pistole", but he keeps saying "Pistol". Too much bad French influence, I guess😂