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I am a Christian and I can't drink because I'm an alcoholic. And I've always said if you can drink responsibly go for it it's nothing wrong with it unless of course you're like me then it's a major league issue.
Yeah, for some it's an issue due to addiction. I think that the true meaning of the "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off" line in the bible. If you cannot restrain yourself around something, it is best to avoid, or cut it out entirely. However, that would require people to understand that virtue is most often measured in moderations not excesses. (in fact it is Sin that is most often measured excesses)
Yes, anyone who is in risk of being addicted to something is best to avoid it. Just as sex addicts should stay away from sex or at least try to have a healthier approach to it. Most Christians I know forbid alcohol as if it is a Biblical absolute or a commandment from God, yet pick or choose other Scriptures to justify certain things they may like to do or to ignore. The whole 'discussion' thing with Christians puts me off their religion as they are always only so 'right' with lack of humility or compassion, which were qualities of the true Yeshua ("Jesus").
Alcoholic beerhead cope, this kind of thinking Is what leads to all the degeneracy and pain that comes with drinking. Just Ask Arcturus Der Gnom about it, he’ll set you straight.
So Jesus turned water into wine and pregnant women drink it at the women. I'm sure there were some pregnant women at the wedding . So their babies were born with development problems Okay 😂 🤣 🤣 it was Grape Juice 🤦♂️
As a Christian who drinks (though not excessively) I just wanted to say thank you for this video. We need to honor each other's convictions, instead of trying to twist The Bible to claim that convictions are absolutes and what is not a sin is a sin or vice versa. In general, we need to let the text of The Bible speak for itself, instead of making it say what we think it should. This applies to a ton of things, not just the conversation around alcohol.
Exactly, the main issue of drinking wine & alcohol is not a Sin, drinking to much of it and getting Drunk it is a Sin. But we SIN daily , it's not excuse but it what it is. That's why we much Repent Daily for our own Sins. And keep it moving forward. Religion fanatics people always try to tell other's people what their can and cannot do.
Ask Holy Spirit to teach you and to guide you. I would recommend the TH-cam channel Cleveland street preachers and follow Jesus no man no religion. Be holy and obey Jesus. Hebrews 5:9 "salvation is for those who obey. Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). He even says if you keep my commandments then you shall abide in my love (John 15:10).
@@LaymensLameMan Honestly that one way to look at it. But nevertheless you shouldn't care what others think , believe nor say about you. That's never going to change. Or end until the day we die. Keep an open mind that people also say alot about JESUS CHRIST and all of it wasn't a positive thing. Plus whether someone have anime pictures up that doesn't defile who their or you are. Nor what you or that person represent. That's called Judging someone by they Pierce/Appearance. God looks at the heart of Man's, not the outside of the person. If that what you believe, than you probably would say the same thing about me, since I'd have another profile and it got a picture of The Spectre 😃. So what. I'd shouldn't get slander, insult or judge by it. You take care Shalom aleichem.
I drank alcohol after accepting Christ for a few months, but then I realized that I was still drinking in excess and I couldn’t have alcohol without having too much or desiring more, so I personally just abstain from it all together. I quit one day and haven’t had a drop since. But that’s because I know I can’t have alcohol without having too much. But I think if you can handle having a beer or a glass of wine, that should be okay. Just as long as it doesn’t become an idol
Good for you to know your limits. Some people have higher levels of alcohol tolerance than others. I think the Bible is pretty clear that drinking in moderation (like eating in moderation) isn't sinful, but like you, I also know that my family generally has never handled any amount of alcohol well, hence why I also abstain.
It was good you did that. Drinking alcohol is not sinful, but you also realized that it might be too tempting for you personally. So one Christian may abstain from alcohol to honor God, while another Christian can drink alcohol (in moderation, without drunkeness) and give thanks to God. Romans 14:6 "[6] The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. (ESV)" Also, Romans 14:3 [3] Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. (ESV)
Alcohol is a worse drug than weed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buzz is still Drunk. This guy who is speaking getting drunk and lying about it better repent. He is a Buzz Drunkard not an alcohol Drunkard and both of them is a transgression. People can be buzz and that is still be drunk.
I myself abstain from alcohol, because i know both my family's history with it, and my predisposition to excess, but i don't tell people "stay away from alcohol", rather "do your best to not abuse it" because its obvious the bible warns against drunkenness' and excess, not drinking alcohol. In the end its each individuals choice what to abstain from, as long as its not something obviously destructive and sinful.
Very well said. The Bible is so clear that drunkenness is a sin, not the simple consumption. The person Mike is responding to is twisting the Scriptures. With that said, my wife and I enjoy a casual drink. We have friends who are recovering alcoholics and whenever we hang out with them we do not drink alcohol as we want to be sensitive to their struggles and not be a stumbling block for them.
Jesus according to Number 31:18 ordered sexual slavery of female children 👇 "But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep them alive for yourselves.” Pulpit Commentary of Number 31:18 "No doubt many of them became inferior wives of their masters"
The best reply I have read on here. I'm so used to being attacked by self-righteous and pompous Christians about the sinfulness of moderate or light consumption of alcohol (which would make Jesus a sinner) that it is refreshing to come across a more seasoned and common-sense approach. The others turn me right off.
This video covers pretty much what I have been sharing with people throughout the years. "Alcohol disturbs your relationship with God, then it's wrong. But if it doesn't disturb it, then there's nothing wrong with it." Thanks for this clip.
@@exactormortis7433 Meth is outside of the body. So is doing meth a sin, in and of itself? What if I do meth responsibly and in very tiny doses, and when I do meth it doesn't lead me to commit any other sins?
@@wyattwitherss No substance is a factor in sin, only man is. Because only man has a covenant with God, only man and nothing else can break it. Your deeds are always yours, not the substance you are under, and your deeds are accountable to the Lord. Again, the fact that drugs are always addictive is a different matter ... it is a sin to take someone other than Jesus as your master ... be it money, power, reputation or chemicals.
@@exactormortis7433 Let me interpret you plainly. Agree or disagree with this statement: It is fine for Christians do meth as long as they don't serve meth. Add any clarifiers you want to make your position clear. But please answer the question: Do you think that with certain guidelines God is fine with Christians doing meth, or is it never okay?
I just drank a bottle of beer before watching this 😂 And I don't drink much. I haven't been drunk nor lost my self-control on alcohol my whole life and that's thanks to God.
Galatians 5:19-21: "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: ... drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
@@thebreaker4404 Matthew 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.” 1 Corinthians 11:24 In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” drinking ≠ being a drunkard
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@@ralphjosephrjm326 Doesn't say he was drinking alcoholic wine. Alcoholic wine is clearly condemned. The cup of the Lord is the "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "cup of devils". 25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. The new wine is grape juice. If you put grape juice into old containers that are contaminated with yeast, then the grape juice ferments and breaks the bottles. 7Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Prov 3:10 12 times we are told to be sober. No reason to poison yourself even a little bit.
Ask Holy Spirit to teach you and to guide you. I would recommend the TH-cam channel Cleveland street preachers and follow Jesus no man no religion. Be holy and obey Jesus. Hebrews 5:9 "salvation is for those who obey. Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). He even says if you keep my commandments then you shall abide in my love (John 15:10).
I was drinking heavily for a couple of years, then came to faith in Christ and reduced my drinking to once a week and in 2015 God freed me from drinking completely and i feel great, no need to touch that stuff at all and feel completely fine about it, is great, i wish everybody the same.
Maybe God should have done it for His Son Jesus too so that He'd have had no desire to drink. Then we'd not have "Holy Commion" or maybe with milkshake or something... My Dad has a similar story to yours. I'm a kidney transplant patient so alcohol is not recommended. 🌿
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 Doesn't say he was drinking alcoholic wine. Alcoholic wine is clearly condemned. The cup of the Lord is the "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "cup of devils". 25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. The new wine is grape juice. If you put grape juice into old containers that are contaminated with yeast, then the grape juice ferments and breaks the bottles. 7Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Prov 3:10
The problem with speaking common sense like this is they then accuse you of being a drunkard, because only a drunk would disagree with them. It’s very unchristian behavior.
@@UserHasDied The difference is that it doesn't say that Jesus was drinking alcoholic wine. Alcohol is the "wine of Sodom" (Deut. 32). Jesus is the new wine of the covenant. New wine is the good wine, the best wine, as opposed to the "cup of devils". Which is why we are told 12 times to be sober.
I agree, and that's one reason why I reject the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation. When Jesus said to eat His flesh and drink His blood, he was speaking metaphorically.
@@iphidamasfilms1245 To receive Him and His sacrificial death, which involved both wounding His flesh and the shedding of His blood. He explained it at the last supper when He said the communion bread and wine represented His body and blood. Moreover, the idea that you can transform bread and wine into human flesh and blood strikes me not only as cannibalism but also witchcraft.
@@hotwax9376 1. to receive, how? 2. no He didn't, He said they were His body and blood. it falls to you to prove otherwise. 3. and? the idea that a man could be God struck the Jews as idolatry.
@@iphidamasfilms1245 When He said they were His body and blood, He was speaking metaphorically, namely that they represented those things. Metaphors often use words like "is" to make direct comparisons that are not intended in a literal manner. This is elementary or middle school-level English.
I don't like alcohol, I don't think people should drink alcohol because it's way too easily abused but I understand why the Bible says drinking alcohol is ok(mostly because alcohol is a fact of life and can be consumed responsibly) and I don't judge or hate on people who drink alcohol. But I wish it wasn't a thing tbh
You really need to call Jesus out on that one so that He can come up to your standards and suit your opinion. If He cut out occasional alcohol there would be no Holy Communion. You can't have your cake and eat it. You would do very well in an Islamic society where it wouldn't be a thing either tbh
The only Christians I’ve ever heard of who think drinking alcohol is a literal sin are some variations of the fundamentalist Baptist movement. Literally everyone else in Christendom I’ve ever heard of allows alcohol, both now and historically. Where did this ridiculous notion even start?
As a Baptist I don’t think it’s a sin, and I don’t care if people drink… but I can elucidate on the reasons some do think it’s a sin. 1) American culture has no self-control when it comes to alcohol, so we want to stay away from all appearances of evil, 2) drunkenness is a vice that’s very easy to fall into, 3) high alcohol content in many drinks makes it easy to get drunk, 4) culturally and practically, there’s really no reason to drink it because we have refrigeration.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Plus drinking alcohol & wine, is not a Sin, getting drunk by drinking so much of it is a Sin. But yeah back than in the Bible days the drink there isn't the same as today.
For my dad, he used to live in drunkenness before getting saved. Kinda out of that, he came to the belief (along with Scriptures in Proverbs) that drinking is wrong and sinful and a slippery slope. I came to the conclusion that drunkenness, not drinking, is sinful. I only rarely drink bc I don't like most alcoholic drinks 🤣 and bc my small body makes it likely easier to get drunk on less. So I try to limit myself a lot.
@@jenniferlonbeck6092 Right on, I believe that's the best thing we humans can & should do, is to know our own limits and try to work on it, so we don't Sin , getting drunk by drinking to much of it. Just like we need to do with everything else. We strive to be perfect and Holy, but we ain't perfect & Holy whatsoever. Still got to work on ourselves 😃.
This is not an issue for Catholics. There are monastery's where one of the main activities for the monks outside prayer is to make wine or beer. There is even a 2016 book, "Pint's with Aquinas," that imagines the author sitting down over a pint to discuss various doctrines with the 'Angelic Doctor'. This idea that Christians cannot drink is mostly just a dry and often hypocritical moralism. Now, in some cases, such as the case of people who had trouble with excess drinking, than giving up drink altogether may be necessary for their spiritual development. But it is certainly not necessary for all Christians. In C.S. Lewis's works teetotalism is often associated with the 'bad guys' if my memory serves...right?
Catholicism took a lot of pagan practices and "christianized" them. They knew many ways to preserve grape juice. Jesus talks about preserving the new wine (grape juice). Jesus is the new wine of the covenant. The "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "wine of Sodom" and the "cup of devils". if you know the Bible and the langauge, it's very clear that alcohol is condemned. "look not on the wine when it is red". 6 times we are told to abstain from poisoning ourselves ("nepho")
@@joemonroe9456 Most Protestants drink too, from Puritans to Lutherans, Martin Luther's wife opened a brewery! And Calvin said: “Wine is a gift from God, meant to bring joy and happiness to those who receive it.” So this is not so much a Protestant/Catholic issue as an issue between the overwhelming majority of Christians throughout history and a few modern sects. One wonders how the overwhelming majority of Christians could have been mistaken on this point for so long if it is as clear as you make it out to be. Maybe you're missing something...?
@@michaelcarden9623 Unfortunately, most Christians don't know the Bible let alone the original languages; and most Christians are carnal, worldly, and not ready to give up their destructive addictions. They would rather believe the lies that support their addiction than the apostles who told us to be sober. 7The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1 8For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them. Psalm 75 31Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Prov. 23 8For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them. Psalm 75
My mom had an alcoholic father who wrecked their home with violence and debt before dying young of cirrhosis. In respect to her, my dad drank alcohol only a few times a year, and so I've learned to drink only sporadically, in small doses, with a clear conscience before the biblical teaching.
The Catholic Church's position (which is also shared by the other major Christian groups) is the one that makes the most sense: drinking alcohol is not a sin, but drunkenness is. As stated in the _Catechism of the Catholic Church:_ *CCC 2290* The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others' safety on the road, at sea, or in the air.
@@waynehobbs5175 Please stop quote mining the Bible. If you read the "your body is a temple" passage in context, it's talking about sexual purity, not health. That might be the single most misinterpreted verse next to Matthew 7: 1.
This video caused me to stumble lol - all that pomegranate juice talk. lololol bro your response to that SoS 2 verse was a PERFECT reductio... may your channel continue to ferment wisdom as it ages.
I actually do not consume alcohol, but this is my preference and I wholly agree with your clarification of it not being a sin as long as it is done within limits (I.e. not to excess).
A historical fact that they often leave out is that this wine likely wasn't anywhere near the strength of the wine we have today, which often has added sugars and yeast for a higher alcohol content. They could have drank quite a bit at Cana and still not have become drunk.
They knew how to preserve grape juice (new wine). 37And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. 38But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
@@joemonroe9456 they sure did - it’s called fermentation. The process of fermentation would have caused an old wine skin to burst, but a new one that had not yet been stretched out would have been exactly what you need for new wine that’s going to ferment.
@@retro-orthodox 38But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. Fermentation is the opposite of preservation. Contamination with yeast/bacteria is the problem with old wineskins/bottles. 5083 tēréō (from tēros, "a guard") - properly, maintain (preserve); (figuratively) spiritually guard (watch), keep intact.
I’ve often thought it’s strange that some Christians focus on drinking alcohol yet say not one word about gluttony. It’s like they want to choose what is right or wrong based upon their own personal preference.
Yes, they don't mention pride or greed, or envy, gossip, lies, and a whole host of other things I see in the churches that I can't see Jesus doing, although I can see Him having the odd glass of wine, which Jews do as part of their thanksgiving ceremony to God each Sabbath rest day. Obesity is rife in the churches with so much tea and coffee mornings with cakes and sweet buns foisted upon you as soon as you get near the place! I do not have a sweet tooth and I always suffer when Christians gather together with all the sweet food which I dislike, yet on the other hand I know others who love sweet things and complain that they are "tempted" by so much sumptiousness, whether for diet or health reasons, but gluttony is sin in plain sight! I can't really drink as a kidney patient, but I hate to see so many judgemental and condemnatory Christians which are a big put-off for the faith. I now prefer to stay away from all such people.
I really love those small videos you make. I also really appreciate the fact that you go for the truth. Thank you, you really help me in understanding the Bible. Btw I asked a question last time, so far no response.
Yes. We can. There is a vast difference between drinking and drunkenness. However, if our drinking would cause our brother to sin, or to have trouble with his conscience, then we should refrain from drinking in their presence.
This is one I certainly grew up with and heard time and time again. Really enjoyed the video. Doubt I'll start drinking any time soon, but always thought it was ridiculous when people claimed certain Bible Characters didn't drink, especially when a lot of water wasn't always the purest, and as mentioned it was seen as medicine to the ancients. I still see value in avoiding alcohol, but no judgement on those who partake. Thanks, and I will continue to study the topic. (Any book suggestions on ancient wine would be greatly appreciated)
While yes, I don't recommend that you drink. Especially if you're forced by your peers. Some people just can't handle alcohol very well and that's okay. I do agree that sometimes claims like this are just ridiculous. God warned even His kings not to drink in excess. He never forbade them to drink, though. I thank you for your honesty, God bless.
Hi nice to see you again. I used to think the SDA Church had the answer as to why we don't have real wine at communion. But now I see some flaws in our logic. We often look down on those who drink alcohol and coffee, smoke, and do drugs, yet we ourselves are guilty of eating too much junk food.
I was raised Seventh-day Adventist, and they not only prohibit alcohol in any quantity but also encourage (but not require) vegetarianism. They often claim that Daniel and John the Baptist were vegetarians and that the "locusts" John ate were actually carob beans. The Greek word, however, always refers to an insect, and in the case of Daniel, it's clear from Daniel 10: 3 that he ate meat. The KJV describes Daniel abstaining from "meat" in the first chapter and being healthy, but in those days "meat" was sometimes used as a generic term for any food (meanwhile, the KJV says "flesh" in Daniel 10: 3, making it clear that this was meat.) The reason Daniel didn't eat the king's food is because it had been offered to the pagan gods of the Babylonians and in many cases was not kosher, which would have made him ceremonially unclean.
@@hotwax9376 I never heard any of my SDA pastors or teachers claim Daniel and John the Baptist were vegetarians. Never heard them claim the Locust were beans. I just only heard that Noah was the first person to eat meat after the flood wiped out much of the vegetation. That's not to say that some will come up with crazy misinterpretations to promote some lifestyle they consider healthy.
@@hotwax9376 YO!!!! I remember someone came to my church with that None sense of Daniel and John the Baptist being vegetarian. And we all had a good laugh. I'm Vegetarian myself, but I'm well aware very few if anyone was vegetarian in scripture. The one that makes me laugh aswell is when people say Jesus didn't eat meat. I know like in any church some people just run with crazy ideas, and if unchallenged they kinda just float around. Alcohol, (and to an extent recreational drugs)I see the prohibiting of the stuff being more of a personal commitment. One is taking it upon themselves to avoid it to stay alert a sober minded so one has their faculties tuned towards God.
I appreciate the video. I grew up in a denomination that taught like the other guy against alcohol. I currently am leaning toward it being ok to drink a little. The one argument that this video does not address is most alcohol today is distilled where it wasn’t back then, meaning the process to being drunk comes quicker the more you drink. What do you think about that?
I don't think it makes any difference. The rule is to avoid drunkenness, which is totally possible even with distilled liquor. You just drink less of it, if that's what you're gonna do.
I'd say just take it into consideration when drinking and moderate accordingly. It's like how you only have a small glass of a spirit (like proper vodka) but a couple bottles of beer. You just drink responsibly and dont go too far
The Bible mentions "strong drink" as well as regular wine, so there must have been alcoholic beverages effective enough for God's Word to describe it/them as "strong," which I think is how I would view a distilled alcololic beverage today i.e. "stronger than other drinks." I don't know if distillation was carried out "back then" or not, but the "strength" or potency of "strong drink" described by the Bible I would say would match the distilled drinks of today, whether it was achieved by distillation or not. The emphasis on "strong" applies to both.
What's the purpose of drinking? Whatever the answer you may think with the exception of being drunk, couldn't you obtain it without drinking? And if you're a Christian, why are you appreciative towards a video produced by an Atheist? A video with various holes in its argument. If you read carefully Luke 7:33-34, which the video quotes at 3:04 , you should realize it's not what the atheist says about Lord Christ Jesus having drank alcoholic wine. If you doubt what I say then I ask you to confer with the Holy Ghost on this matter, not some atheist who secretly laughs at the one who created the very foundation of the world.
@@GplusGains There is one clear purpose of drinking that Bible details clearly (presumably under the guidance of the Holy Ghost that you mention, unless parts of Scripture can be ignored at will to suit our own personal wishes or agenda). Scripture states that "wine ("yayin" - fermented - not "tirosh" - unfermented) GLADENETH THE HEART OF MAN." Please tell God and the Holy Ghost to erase those words as it offends my sensibilities! GOD IS WRONG! Wine only caises untold misery and is a CURSE! God must be taken to task for His evil unholy words!! !! Yes, you can have a glad heart WITHOUT drinking, but God says you have a GLAD HEART when you do drink it. That is one purpose or at least positive description found in Scripture on wine. It's all the pushy arguments from judgemental Christians who cause one to lose joy and has the opposite effect of encouraging one to be glad in heart. Religious stuffed shirts always condemn.
Here is a Sahih Hadith on Muhammad drinking Nabid (Alcohol made from fermented dates) Sahih Muslim: "Drinks, Drinking wine and fermentation" Narrated by Gaber bin Abdullah: We were with the messenger of Allah, PBUH and he asked for a drink. One of his men said: "Oh Messenger of Allah, Can we offer you wine to drink?" He said Yes. He (Gaber) went out looking for the drink and came back with a cup of wine. The messenger (Peace Be Upon him) asked, “Have you covered it with a twig in a transverse manner” He (Gaber) said, “Yes” and he (Muhammad) drank. Sahih Muslim - Hadith #3753,
fermentation is an amazing thing. I'm a product of 3 generations of alcoholics and lost my dad to abuse when he was only 41. So I treat alcohol with much care. While I do not drink alcohol as a rule, I do partake in adult beverages occassionally while on cruises (maybe again one day) and other special events. To insist on abstaining and then twisting scripture to match one's preference is a problem. Well done, thanks for this video.
32For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter: 33Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps. 34Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures? 6 of the 12 times "sober" is used it uses the Greek word "nepho" which specifically means to abstain from intoxicating (poisoning). The winebibbers are the twisters of scripture and are ignorant of most of scripture.
Thank you! That video came up in my shorts and it was one of the worst cases of twisting scripture to fit your biases I've ever seen. I'm glad someone covered it
I cringe everytime I hear that Jesus "turn the water into grape juice". 😆 Alcoholic drinks have been around for a very long time, even before Jesus walked the earth.
And nonalcoholic grape juice is a relatively modern development. Before things like refrigeration and pasteurization existed, there wasn't much way to preserve it and keep it from fermenting.
Another fantastic response. I actually saw this guy a couple weeks ago. What I have come to find out is that he is a KJV Onlyist and usually KJVO’s and Legalism go hand in hand. You obviously responded way better than I could but I immediately saw the holes in his argument as he was ranting and I wasn’t convinced. By the way, I too like Scotch Whiskey :)
Honestly this brings up so much contention, when the Bible is very clear on the consumption of alcohol. Simply put, yes drinking alcohol is fine in moderation and so long as you aren't drinking to get drunk. The Bible states that we should keep our wits about us and if alcohol can interfere with our judgement, then we shouldn't be drinking to get drunk. Rather we should be using alcohol medicinally not recreationally Now I will also say this. The Bible also states that we shouldn't do something that makes us feel condemned. So if drinking makes you feel bad about yourself, or you think another Christian will think negatively toward you then you probably shouldn't drink. Condemnation isn't of God, but of Satan.
So it can also be said, "Fat Christians eating excessively make me feel bad and temp me to eat more." I'm a recovering glutton, myself. I found that Scripture always mentions gluttony alongside drunkenness. To impose the drunkenness passage without addressing our own gluttony is hypocritical. Most preachers that condemn drunks are often oversized gluttons (with occasional exceptions). Funny how many of them don't feel condemned. The point is, we should read Scripture and examine ourselves with honesty.
@@naphtal Very good point! And witness Christians' manners and courtesy when it comes to a spread of food laid out at an event. Putting others first comes last! Not to mention church car parks! Our example should emulate Jesus. He is our focus, not all the broken people in the world who have problems and addictions, whom we seem to be be forming our life behaviour over, albeit supposedly protectively, but in most cases it comes across as very self-righteously. It would be nice to see a bit of common sense among all this endless bickering and arguments over Bible stuff. I now stay away from church altogether as it's all too offputting. No stress!
In light of the health considerations, (heart attack, cirrhosis of the liver, and hereditary issues) it’s wise to think before you drink. I always try to ask not if it’s ok, but if it’s wise and helpful.
2 beers a day for men or one glass of wine is beneficial for health according to scientists, now of course dont smash a 30 pack every day, then you will not only not get the benefits but you will surely be killing yourself
In order to get cirrhosis of the liver, you have to drink 3 ounces of pure alcohol per day for about 10 years. That's about 6 beers, 5 full glasses of wine, or 6 shots of hard alcohol. It's not easy to accomplish that.
That’s why there thing call moderation. Of course if someone is drinking to much alcohol they will experience health problems. It same thing as eating to much fast food.
IP, will you ever make a video on the capital punishment in the Bible? I'm really interested in that and I have never received a solid answer on whether the Bible condemns it or not.
The word wine is used for both alcoholic and non-alcoholic grape beverages. Non-alcoholic wine may not have existed but I believe he just meant grape juice. We see grape juice referred to as wine a lot (like flowing from the winepress, being freshly pressed, or being called new wine/freshly squeezed)
they knew many ways to preserve wine. It's a common lie that they didn't. Doesn't say Jesus was drinking alcoholic wine. Alcoholic wine is clearly condemned. The cup of the Lord is the "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "cup of devils". 25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. The new wine is grape juice. If you put grape juice into old containers that are contaminated with yeast, then the grape juice ferments and breaks the bottles. 7Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Prov 3:10
My whisky and rum collection thanks you, fun fact only Scottish whisky is spelt like that all other whisky is spelt whiskey. Some believe the wedding, the wine got drunk out by 12 additional fisherman that Jesus hung out with, although I've never looked into this myself.. It's about the state of your heart when drinking and the reason to drink. I love beer, whisky and rum, but using it to Medicate I think leads to issues. Same with using it to whilst out can lead to debauchery. That said I go out to the pub with my Christian mates and it's ace, it helps accountability and has space for fellowship.
Please do a video on owning guns for protection! I literally heard a sermon at my church where the preacher basically said it’s better to let a killer kill you rather than for you to do anything (killing the killer) to protect yourself!
I’ve observed Fundamentalist Baptists, Holiness Pentecostals, as well as certain ethnic Protestant churches believing this way. My theory is that many such church communities were either originally planted by missionaries who believed this way or it sprung up in cultures where alcoholism was a common problem & this belief came about as an over correction to confront it. Paul tells us in scripture that different Christians will have different convictions & we must respect that. If an individual Christian thinks it’s a sin for himself/herself to consume alcohol, don’t force them to drink. The problem becomes when you force your personal convictions onto all other Christians. Unfortunately though, in my experience, many such Christians don’t have a category for someone who drinks without getting drunk. In their minds you either abstain or are an alcoholic, there’s no middle. So in their worldview they have to explain away Jesus drinking, it just doesn’t fit in their black & white paradigm.
Legalism is usually bad .It adds rules that were not even mentioned in the Bible. Take not there are good Legalistic Christians , but unfortunately many of them do force their opinions on others.
I identify as one of the aforementioned categories and while I myself have not ever drank and I was always taught incorrect Bible things like the wine Jesus made being grape juice 🙄 I've come to the realization a few years ago that I don't think drinking in itself is a sin. I've had conversations about it with friends, but yeah in my circles most people would outright condemn it. For me though I want to understand what the Bible says and teaches and try the best I can to go by that in all aspects of my life
How much you drink and who you drink with are important to think through. I certainly wouldn't encourage more drinking among Christians. As a Pastor, I spend plenty of time with Christians who drink. Most of them end up drinking too much or drinking with people they shouldn't have. Just something I notice. But I certainly wouldn't preach NOT to drink, I just can't find reasons that it's important to do, or brag about doing it. Alcohol itself certainly isn't bad or banned.
Does the same apply to cigarettes? Having meals after church when most of the congregation are morbidly obese? What about the youth drinking several caffine 'energy drinks'? I had a fat pastors once and they had fryups of greasy chips after every morning service. I left the church as to me it was encouraging gluttony. Next they will be justifying poisoning the skin with tattoos and saying Yeshua did it.
I grew up being told that drinking alcohol is a sin so I converted to Catholicism (joking) But seriously Protestants contradicting the Bible is what helped me convert haha
One of the big ones that has always bothered me, is the whole no music, or singing, style denominations. They are literally contradicting the bible not just misreading it. That being said the current pope and many of the stunts being performed by the catholic church of late, make me uneasy trusting my soul with men who so readily traffic with real genuine evil. Sure their are still some good Catholic priests, but I am not sure the Catholic church has any kind of special authority to speak of on such subjects.
Begome Orthodox XD Half joking btw, if catholics are a bit worrying considering the *Red Pope* you should try the eastern or oriental orthodox churches. Try eastern christianity, just as apostolic but a lot less liberal.
@@ceasedesist9676 I don't know, I grew up Methodist and have little issue with the teachings of John Wesley even if I am not always fond of the way the institution acts. I take no issue with Protestantism, I'd argue I even lean Protestant. I think my big issue has more to do with the manner in which we cling to these institutions as if they are more important than the teachings and the meaning behind those teachings. Jesus made Peter the rock, but I think that has more to do with how he lead the early apostles to spread the faith than with any institution which claims to have authority over the souls of men. If anything I'd argue I am a Christian first before ought else. I go wherever I feel God takes me, and try to understand as many readings of the bible and it's doctrine as possible, and act according to my conscious. As I feel ultimately that is the only way we can even come close to a genuine and honest understanding of scripture. That being said I do recognize the importance of ritual and tradition, even If I am not explicitly attached to any given institution, and often worry that such traditions can devolve into idolatry.
@@patrickbuckley7259 Although I agree with the sentiment I will have to note that with western and eastern christianity the idea of the church differs. Although eastern christianity considers the church universal they would never say that out of the church = no salvation in the organizational sense. Eastern Christianity also does not pronounce judgement on one's salvation, concept of something like a reprobate that can be identified is not a thing. If you ask them will you be saved they'll just ask, "Do you believe and trust the promise of Christ upon death? If you do, then why worry, keep the faith and God will do the rest." (Paraphrasing) Furthermore easterners don't have one pope, they have multiple and call them patriarchs instead. All patriarchs are autonomous and independent but do recognize one another's churches as one, holy, catholic and apostolic. Furthermore spiritually a patriarch has equal authority to a normal or even auxilliary bishop. It's not a pyramid in the east, ecumenical councils treat the vote of every bishop as the same regardless. If you're struggling about it you might wanna read the early church fathers and pray about it. Their justification of the church by tradition is defended scripturally by them, by the word of church fathers and the fact that all except for protestant churches can trace themselves to this one universal church system. Not to press further but don't you think it's odd that it took 1500 years for the concept of a non-universal church to take hold despite the fact that schisms in circa 431 AD (Nestorian/Assyrian Schism), 451 AD (Oriental Orthodox Schism) and 1054 AD (Roman Catholic/Eastern Orthodox Schism) did not change the universal church doctrine in the breakaways.
man. unbiblical doctrines are still popular (the doctrine that alcohol is always bad) can we do some research to find out why, and what to do about it?
Colossians 2 16-22 calls it "false humility and the worship of angels", although looking at the ancient Greek, it looks more like "false" in the sense that these people have deceived themselves
@@Rizimar those who teach Gods word are held to a higher standard, and have more significant consequences. i don't want to be the next teacher to lead people astray due to my human err. starting a church is a super tall order on its own, then it has to succeed somehow.
A lot of people have had negative experiences with alcohol directly or indirectly (family members), so it can be hard for them to see how alcohol could be good in certain instances.
@@john3_14-17 one glass. once a week. you get to enjoy it, but it's very clearly stated in the video that intoxication must be strictly avoided. and obviously, if you aren't getting intoxicated, the family cannot be affected. it because another drink when the brain is used.
As teetotaler myself, alcoholism runs in the family, I agree that drinking in of itself is not sinful but rather the excess and overindulgence of booze.
This is exactly the way I am too. Drinking in moderation isn't a sin, but my family has such an extensive history of alcoholism that I don't want to become the next victim of those bad genes and thus don't drink at all.
All I have to say is Deuteronomy 14:26 "You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household." This was related to a festival, not everyday life, mind you!
This is another problem too Christian’s assume “since the Bible dosent say it, it’s not wrong” yes it may not specifically but we must use wisdom and logic to determine if something is wrong especially if it’s hinted at
@@rickyhern2156 but it’s wrong and it’s giving money to others and deceiving people into thinking they might get an x amount of money. If you’re wasting your money on that instead of godly uses then it’s sin
If drinking alkohol were supposed to be sinfull, then why on earth did Christ institute the eucharist (with is something Christians are supposed to do repetively) by commanding His diciples to drink wine? I don't know how one can linguistically can go around this, but its clear from practice that from the very beggining people undestood they had to use wine for the blood part and they practiced as such.
You collect whisky too? :) Awesome, which ones are you favourite? I'm a big fan of Coal Ila 12 (for smoke) and Benriach 15. I also really enjoy Irish and Japanese whisky, and bourbon!
Just take it easy Mikey, you had your issue with alcohol, so don't let it sneak up on you again. I always tell brethren that it's written "All things are lawful, but not all things are of benefit, all things are permitted, but not all things build up,"
@@isaiahben-yahweh3245 Looks like IP did his research on this topic. It's cool to disagree with him because I don't drink alcohol either. However, he at least brings up some good points.
@@InspiringPhilosophy : Det14:26 which is often cited as proof that the consumption of alcohol was Approved even in old testament. However, it turns out that the immediate context was focusing on tithing if you check from verse v22. So the case here was that the place where they were going was far so they would exchange their tithes which was mainly produce, into cash as they were Instructed in the scenario. Then purchase oxen, sheep, wine and strong drink. Strong drink and wine were mentioned in vs26 but the passage simply says that they must eat Before God After they purchased what was listed in 26. The reason why the very passage in vs26 simply says that they can "...eat..." and not "eat and drink" is simply because strong drink was mentioned. It was only used for offering see Numbers28:7, and all strong drink offerings were not drank but were to be poured down in the Holy Place As is indicated in Numbers 28:7. The reason why they would purchase strong drink for offering and tithe is because unfermented wine wasn't usually readily available like how fermented wine was.
LOL, I had this out with a teacher. I used to bootlegs booze, and wine was very popular. No one drank grape juice. People walked barefoot. They dropped wastes on the road just as animals did. Even scrubbing their feet, they couldn't keep some nasty bacteria from the grapes. Wine is also used to describe the Holy Spirit.
Twelves times we are told to be sober. Doesn't say Jesus was drinking alcoholic wine. Alcoholic wine is clearly condemned. The cup of the Lord is the "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "cup of devils". 25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. The new wine is grape juice. If you put grape juice into old containers that are contaminated with yeast, then the grape juice ferments and breaks the bottles. 7Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Prov 3:10
As a doctor what I recommend is don't drink alcohol at all. Well.. little amount of alcohol is good to reduce ischemic heart diseases. But still even little alcohol amounts bring more issues than benefits to your body. And at the same time it depends on the person sometimes, but still commonly it brings lot of health issues. You don't know to which kind your body belong. So it's better to stay away from alcohol.
While I agree it is not sinful in an objective context, it may be sinful for some. As Romans teaches, if someone goes against their own conscience, they have sinned. So, if someone truly believes that consuming alcohol is wrong, and they do it anyway, then it would be a sin for them to drink it.
I grew up in a church where drinking was not allowed at all and went through a Christian school that also severely frowned on alcohol. It wasn’t until I graduated high school and started taking ministry classes through the denomination my church was that I learned most Christians have no problem with alcohol.
Hi there. I really enjoy your videos. They are always thoroughly researched and really gave me a passion for Theology. Please keep up thee great work and I'd appreciate it if you could make a video explaining the dead sea scrolls and the differences between them and our modern transitions as most of the videos on this topic on TH-cam do not go into great detail
Jesus according to Number 31:18 ordered sexual slavery of female children 👇 "But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep them alive for yourselves.” Pulpit Commentary of Number 31:18 "No doubt many of them became inferior wives of their masters"
@@misterauctor7353 "But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep them alive for yourselves.” Why did their sexual status mentioned? "That have not known a man by lying with him" "Keep them alive for yourselves" for what?
As I've stated before, I was raised Seventh-day Adventist, and they have traditionally taught that drinking alcohol in any quantity is sinful and that Jesus turned water into grape juice instead of actual wine. I have also heard many Adventists say that it's blasphemous to use wine instead of grape juice for communion because it's fermented (which they equate to "leavened.") The historical context you presented clearly demonstrates that this is bunk, especially given that there was no refrigeration, pasteurization, etc. to prevent fermentation from occurring. I hope you will do a video some time on jewelry, because that's another issue where SDAs seem to twist Bible verses out of context to say that it prohibits it (Ezekiel 16: 11 is a good verse refuting that IMO). All this said, I still choose not to drink at all (despite being legal age), not because I think it's a sin to drink in moderation but because I have a long family history of alcoholism, and most of my immediate family are also teetotalers for the same reason. (Hence why I would personally prefer grape juice for communion instead of wine, even though I don't think there's any biblical basis for condemning the use of wine for it.) Where other people drink beer, I usually drink Coke or Pepsi or some other soft drink, or maybe a non-sparkling beverage. And where other people drink wine, I just drink grape or apple juice. I guess sugary beverages are the closest thing I've ever had to a vice.
I love looking at the parallels in history. The temperance movement came around about the same time as pasteurization and when refrigeration became more viable.
They knew many ways to preserve grape juice. Jesus talks about preserving the new wine (grape juice). Jesus is the new wine of the covenant. The "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "wine of Sodom" and the "cup of devils".
Thanks for this good video. This has always been my interpretation too. I love a cold beer with my dad or wife or mother-in-law. It made me think though. The main problem about alcohol abuse (the reason it is sinful) is not the effects, it's the abuse in itself. BUT because the effects are often so bad and obvious it stands out. But this has the adverse effect of making abuse/addiction/overindulgence of other things be overlooked. And it makes people think like "well, excessive consumption/use/focus of XYZ has no drastic effect/impact, so it's okay." And I think we all have areas where we indulge/focus too much on something such that even if it's not having obvious effects in the world, it takes take/energy away from more important things, it causes imbalance in life, it takes focus off God, it has internal/mental/emotional effects or it hurts just the people closest to us in maybe gradual, subtle ways. In a way, the drastic effects of alcohol are a "blessing" (and I in no way mean to downplay how terribly some people have been hurt by alcoholics) in that they help us identify when there is overuse.
Every molecule of alcohol is damaging your body. 6 times we are specifically told to be sober. And the Greek word "nepho is used which mean to abstain from poisoning ourselves. Alcohol destroys many millions of lives; it's not a minor issue.
Alcohol can kill or completely ruin someone. Self control is the key. If you can’t control your consumption, then don’t drink. As a Christian, following conviction is my greatest advice. God allows it in small amounts. It’s the gluttony of it that’s a sin. Even my dad who is a Baptist minister (and doesn’t drink) will attest to this fact. If you’re going to have (a drink or two) be mindful of the Spirit, and do it with discretion. Be blessed and may God guide each of our steps with joy and discretion. Nothing wrong with a small amount! Nothing wrong with abstaining for the sake of conviction.
I have only quit cigarettes a couple months ago after being saved, so I am staying away from alcohol simply to avoid further increasing my cravings, praise Jesus for helping me through! But if you can drink responsibly, more power to you!
Doesn't say Jesus was drinking alcoholic wine. Alcoholic wine is clearly condemned. The cup of the Lord is the "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "cup of devils". 25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. The new wine is grape juice. If you put grape juice into old containers that are contaminated with yeast, then the grape juice ferments and breaks the bottles. 7Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Prov 3:10
I’ve given this much thought and study as a recovery counsellor and yes you can drink but not so much as anybody would even know you’d had a drink. If you’re too drunk to drive a car then you’re too drunk to drive a soul and have sinned and shouldn’t drink at all.
I'm a Christian, I know about these things over alcohol for while, although I don't drink it because of the consequences that excess brought to my family. So I have chosen to not follow the same steps as my relatives did.
@@gianlukeakins6162 I’m not sure if you are aware, but watching porn and putting substances in our bodies are two different things. Do you want to just discuss why drinking small amounts of alcohol is ok, or drugs in general? As far as alcohol, There are known health benefits to consuming small amounts in moderation. It’s when you begin to indulge and abuse it that it becomes harmful. You can say it’s wrong all you want but we will have to agree to disagree and I don’t even drink alcohol. Jesus literally turned water into wine for people to drink. Was he wrong for doing that?
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I am a Christian and I can't drink because I'm an alcoholic. And I've always said if you can drink responsibly go for it it's nothing wrong with it unless of course you're like me then it's a major league issue.
God bless you brother. Don't get tempted into drinking excessively, especially if you're alcoholic.
Yeah, for some it's an issue due to addiction. I think that the true meaning of the "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off" line in the bible. If you cannot restrain yourself around something, it is best to avoid, or cut it out entirely.
However, that would require people to understand that virtue is most often measured in moderations not excesses. (in fact it is Sin that is most often measured excesses)
I can’t drink cause I got an alcohol allergy. It was a late adult onset allergy when I turned 30
@@misterstudentloan2615 My Grandma had that' people used to wouldn't believe her until she'd give in and swell up.
Yes, anyone who is in risk of being addicted to something is best to avoid it. Just as sex addicts should stay away from sex or at least try to have a healthier approach to it.
Most Christians I know forbid alcohol as if it is a Biblical absolute or a commandment from God, yet pick or choose other Scriptures to justify certain things they may like to do or to ignore.
The whole 'discussion' thing with Christians puts me off their religion as they are always only so 'right' with lack of humility or compassion, which were qualities of the true Yeshua ("Jesus").
Jesus turned the water into wine, not grape juice.
I’m from Utah and heard this so many times it’s ridiculous…
Alcoholic beerhead cope, this kind of thinking Is what leads to all the degeneracy and pain that comes with drinking. Just Ask Arcturus Der Gnom about it, he’ll set you straight.
@@boarderdude1193 you should have listened beerhead. Downvoted.
@@boarderdude1193 why is it ridiculous? It's true. If you read the bible you'd know. You're ridiculous. And who cares where you're from?
So Jesus turned water into wine and pregnant women drink it at the women. I'm sure there were some pregnant women at the wedding . So their babies were born with development problems Okay 😂 🤣 🤣 it was Grape Juice 🤦♂️
As a Christian who drinks (though not excessively) I just wanted to say thank you for this video. We need to honor each other's convictions, instead of trying to twist The Bible to claim that convictions are absolutes and what is not a sin is a sin or vice versa. In general, we need to let the text of The Bible speak for itself, instead of making it say what we think it should. This applies to a ton of things, not just the conversation around alcohol.
Exactly, the main issue of drinking wine & alcohol is not a Sin, drinking to much of it and getting Drunk it is a Sin. But we SIN daily , it's not excuse but it what it is. That's why we much Repent Daily for our own Sins. And keep it moving forward.
Religion fanatics people always try to tell other's people what their can and cannot do.
Ask Holy Spirit to teach you and to guide
you. I would recommend the TH-cam channel Cleveland street preachers and follow Jesus no man no religion. Be holy and obey Jesus. Hebrews 5:9 "salvation is for those who obey.
Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). He even says if you keep my commandments then you shall abide in my love (John 15:10).
Don’t call yourself a Christian and then put an anime girl as your pfp please. People already think we’re cringe enough as it is.
@@LaymensLameMan Honestly that one way to look at it. But nevertheless you shouldn't care what others think , believe nor say about you. That's never going to change. Or end until the day we die.
Keep an open mind that people also say alot about JESUS CHRIST and all of it wasn't a positive thing.
Plus whether someone have anime pictures up that doesn't defile who their or you are. Nor what you or that person represent. That's called Judging someone by they Pierce/Appearance.
God looks at the heart of Man's, not the outside of the person.
If that what you believe, than you probably would say the same thing about me, since I'd have another profile and it got a picture of The Spectre 😃.
So what. I'd shouldn't get slander, insult or judge by it.
You take care Shalom aleichem.
@@LaymensLameMan Okay Pharisee.
Not to mention, why warn against drinking non-alcoholic wine to excess?
😂😂😂 “don’t drink to much juice, you’ll get a sugar crash, this saith the LORD!”
@@InspiringPhilosophy I love you and your work man. Please come more often on Catholic Channels like Pints with Aquinas. We need you too :)
@@mosheeliyahu8343 he's not Catholic, but at least he's not an insane new age conspiracy theorist protestant either
@@boopbeepbop154 Most "protestants" aren't new age... why do you think that would be common?
@@adamfutyna5480 some Protestants are. Protestants are just Christians who believe in the reformation. There are no new age Christian Catholics
I drank alcohol after accepting Christ for a few months, but then I realized that I was still drinking in excess and I couldn’t have alcohol without having too much or desiring more, so I personally just abstain from it all together. I quit one day and haven’t had a drop since.
But that’s because I know I can’t have alcohol without having too much. But I think if you can handle having a beer or a glass of wine, that should be okay. Just as long as it doesn’t become an idol
Excellent attitude. God bless you.
Good for you to know your limits. Some people have higher levels of alcohol tolerance than others. I think the Bible is pretty clear that drinking in moderation (like eating in moderation) isn't sinful, but like you, I also know that my family generally has never handled any amount of alcohol well, hence why I also abstain.
It was good you did that. Drinking alcohol is not sinful, but you also realized that it might be too tempting for you personally. So one Christian may abstain from alcohol to honor God, while another Christian can drink alcohol (in moderation, without drunkeness) and give thanks to God.
Romans 14:6
"[6] The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. (ESV)"
Also, Romans 14:3
[3] Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. (ESV)
Alcohol is a worse drug than weed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buzz is still Drunk. This guy who is speaking getting drunk and lying about it better repent. He is a Buzz Drunkard not an alcohol Drunkard and both of them is a transgression. People can be buzz and that is still be drunk.
Did you read what I put?????????????????????????????????????????????????
I myself abstain from alcohol, because i know both my family's history with it, and my predisposition to excess, but i don't tell people "stay away from alcohol", rather "do your best to not abuse it" because its obvious the bible warns against drunkenness' and excess, not drinking alcohol. In the end its each individuals choice what to abstain from, as long as its not something obviously destructive and sinful.
Very sensible comment. Well done.
Very well said. The Bible is so clear that drunkenness is a sin, not the simple consumption. The person Mike is responding to is twisting the Scriptures. With that said, my wife and I enjoy a casual drink. We have friends who are recovering alcoholics and whenever we hang out with them we do not drink alcohol as we want to be sensitive to their struggles and not be a stumbling block for them.
Jesus according to Number 31:18 ordered sexual slavery of female children 👇
"But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep them alive for yourselves.”
Pulpit Commentary of Number 31:18
"No doubt many of them became inferior wives of their masters"
The best reply I have read on here.
I'm so used to being attacked by self-righteous and pompous Christians about the sinfulness of moderate or light consumption of alcohol (which would make Jesus a sinner) that it is refreshing to come across a more seasoned and common-sense approach. The others turn me right off.
We are told 12 times to be sober.
This video covers pretty much what I have been sharing with people throughout the years. "Alcohol disturbs your relationship with God, then it's wrong. But if it doesn't disturb it, then there's nothing wrong with it."
Thanks for this clip.
That's true of almost anything in life beyond what the Bible clearly says is right or wrong. It only becomes a problem when you make it into an idol.
I like your motto
I seem to when I drink talk a lot more to God....
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What are you trying to say here?
@@davidnewhart2533 you dont understand?
That can then be said to many substances, coke, marijuana etc.
" Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”
Meth, for example
@@wyattwitherss how?
@@exactormortis7433 Meth is outside of the body. So is doing meth a sin, in and of itself? What if I do meth responsibly and in very tiny doses, and when I do meth it doesn't lead me to commit any other sins?
@@wyattwitherss No substance is a factor in sin, only man is. Because only man has a covenant with God, only man and nothing else can break it. Your deeds are always yours, not the substance you are under, and your deeds are accountable to the Lord.
Again, the fact that drugs are always addictive is a different matter ... it is a sin to take someone other than Jesus as your master ... be it money, power, reputation or chemicals.
@@exactormortis7433 Let me interpret you plainly. Agree or disagree with this statement: It is fine for Christians do meth as long as they don't serve meth. Add any clarifiers you want to make your position clear.
But please answer the question: Do you think that with certain guidelines God is fine with Christians doing meth, or is it never okay?
I just drank a bottle of beer before watching this 😂
And I don't drink much. I haven't been drunk nor lost my self-control on alcohol my whole life and that's thanks to God.
"L'chaim!" (Hebrew toast: "To life!") 🌿🕊
Galatians 5:19-21: "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: ... drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
@@thebreaker4404 Matthew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.”
1 Corinthians 11:24
In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
drinking ≠ being a drunkard
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@@ralphjosephrjm326 Doesn't say he was drinking alcoholic wine. Alcoholic wine is clearly condemned. The cup of the Lord is the "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "cup of devils".
25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
The new wine is grape juice. If you put grape juice into old containers that are contaminated with yeast, then the grape juice ferments and breaks the bottles.
7Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved
So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Prov 3:10
12 times we are told to be sober. No reason to poison yourself even a little bit.
Chesterton said it best: “We should thank God for beer and Burgundy by not drinking too much of them.”
I'll drink to that 🍺
Ask Holy Spirit to teach you and to guide
you. I would recommend the TH-cam channel Cleveland street preachers and follow Jesus no man no religion. Be holy and obey Jesus. Hebrews 5:9 "salvation is for those who obey.
Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). He even says if you keep my commandments then you shall abide in my love (John 15:10).
What is your favorite Scotch? Mine is Lagavulin 16
@@thomasjj70 I'm actually more of a beer guy. I like Kronenbourg Blanc 1664
And likewise, we should thank God for food by not eating too much of it and for sex by not having it outside of marriage.
@@connorlancaster7541 Wrong. The Bible says that salvation is by faith alone. Read Romans 3: 28 and Ephesians 2: 8-9.
I was drinking heavily for a couple of years, then came to faith in Christ and reduced my drinking to once a week and in 2015 God freed me from drinking completely and i feel great, no need to touch that stuff at all and feel completely fine about it, is great, i wish everybody the same.
Mites tuo ehtoollisviini?
@@SaudadeCB
Meillä seurakunnassa tarjotaan myös mehua viinin sijaan.
Maybe God should have done it for His Son Jesus too so that He'd have had no desire to drink.
Then we'd not have "Holy Commion" or maybe with milkshake or something...
My Dad has a similar story to yours.
I'm a kidney transplant patient so alcohol is not recommended. 🌿
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 Doesn't say he was drinking alcoholic wine. Alcoholic wine is clearly condemned. The cup of the Lord is the "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "cup of devils".
25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
The new wine is grape juice. If you put grape juice into old containers that are contaminated with yeast, then the grape juice ferments and breaks the bottles.
7Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved
So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Prov 3:10
Amen
The problem with speaking common sense like this is they then accuse you of being a drunkard, because only a drunk would disagree with them. It’s very unchristian behavior.
Yes
I saw the OP’s response video and in the comments they accuse IP of being a drunkard.
They also accused Jesus of being a drunkard
@@UserHasDied The difference is that it doesn't say that Jesus was drinking alcoholic wine. Alcohol is the "wine of Sodom" (Deut. 32). Jesus is the new wine of the covenant. New wine is the good wine, the best wine, as opposed to the "cup of devils". Which is why we are told 12 times to be sober.
Reminds me of the Pharisees
Even as someone who hates alcoholic beverages, the use of literally reading into metaphor is ridiculous
I agree, and that's one reason why I reject the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation. When Jesus said to eat His flesh and drink His blood, he was speaking metaphorically.
@@hotwax9376 what does this supposed metaphor mean, then?
@@iphidamasfilms1245 To receive Him and His sacrificial death, which involved both wounding His flesh and the shedding of His blood. He explained it at the last supper when He said the communion bread and wine represented His body and blood. Moreover, the idea that you can transform bread and wine into human flesh and blood strikes me not only as cannibalism but also witchcraft.
@@hotwax9376 1. to receive, how?
2. no He didn't, He said they were His body and blood. it falls to you to prove otherwise.
3. and? the idea that a man could be God struck the Jews as idolatry.
@@iphidamasfilms1245 When He said they were His body and blood, He was speaking metaphorically, namely that they represented those things. Metaphors often use words like "is" to make direct comparisons that are not intended in a literal manner. This is elementary or middle school-level English.
I don't like alcohol, I don't think people should drink alcohol because it's way too easily abused but I understand why the Bible says drinking alcohol is ok(mostly because alcohol is a fact of life and can be consumed responsibly) and I don't judge or hate on people who drink alcohol. But I wish it wasn't a thing tbh
I don't entirely agree, but I see where you're coming from and respect you for voicing a decenting opinion.
It's only way too easy to abuse alcohol if you have done that before.
You really need to call Jesus out on that one so that He can come up to your standards and suit your opinion. If He cut out occasional alcohol there would be no Holy Communion.
You can't have your cake and eat it. You would do very well in an Islamic society where it wouldn't be a thing either tbh
Alcohol definitely exposes people's demons and evil spirits.
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 Over passover they consumed 3 cups, each cup containing three quarters.
The only Christians I’ve ever heard of who think drinking alcohol is a literal sin are some variations of the fundamentalist Baptist movement. Literally everyone else in Christendom I’ve ever heard of allows alcohol, both now and historically. Where did this ridiculous notion even start?
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As a Baptist I don’t think it’s a sin, and I don’t care if people drink… but I can elucidate on the reasons some do think it’s a sin. 1) American culture has no self-control when it comes to alcohol, so we want to stay away from all appearances of evil, 2) drunkenness is a vice that’s very easy to fall into, 3) high alcohol content in many drinks makes it easy to get drunk, 4) culturally and practically, there’s really no reason to drink it because we have refrigeration.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Plus drinking alcohol & wine, is not a Sin, getting drunk by drinking so much of it is a Sin.
But yeah back than in the Bible days the drink there isn't the same as today.
For my dad, he used to live in drunkenness before getting saved. Kinda out of that, he came to the belief (along with Scriptures in Proverbs) that drinking is wrong and sinful and a slippery slope. I came to the conclusion that drunkenness, not drinking, is sinful. I only rarely drink bc I don't like most alcoholic drinks 🤣 and bc my small body makes it likely easier to get drunk on less. So I try to limit myself a lot.
@@jenniferlonbeck6092 Right on, I believe that's the best thing we humans can & should do, is to know our own limits and try to work on it, so we don't Sin , getting drunk by drinking to much of it.
Just like we need to do with everything else. We strive to be perfect and Holy, but we ain't perfect & Holy whatsoever.
Still got to work on ourselves 😃.
Thank you for posting this video. I've asked you about this topic few days before 🙂🙏✝️☦️
Thanks a lot... God bless❤️❤️❤️
This is not an issue for Catholics. There are monastery's where one of the main activities for the monks outside prayer is to make wine or beer. There is even a 2016 book, "Pint's with Aquinas," that imagines the author sitting down over a pint to discuss various doctrines with the 'Angelic Doctor'.
This idea that Christians cannot drink is mostly just a dry and often hypocritical moralism. Now, in some cases, such as the case of people who had trouble with excess drinking, than giving up drink altogether may be necessary for their spiritual development. But it is certainly not necessary for all Christians.
In C.S. Lewis's works teetotalism is often associated with the 'bad guys' if my memory serves...right?
You may already have seen it, but just in case: th-cam.com/users/PintsWithAquinas
@BVale Yes, I've seen that before. Love it!
Catholicism took a lot of pagan practices and "christianized" them.
They knew many ways to preserve grape juice. Jesus talks about preserving the new wine (grape juice). Jesus is the new wine of the covenant. The "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "wine of Sodom" and the "cup of devils". if you know the Bible and the langauge, it's very clear that alcohol is condemned. "look not on the wine when it is red".
6 times we are told to abstain from poisoning ourselves ("nepho")
@@joemonroe9456 Most Protestants drink too, from Puritans to Lutherans, Martin Luther's wife opened a brewery! And Calvin said: “Wine is a gift from God, meant to bring joy and happiness to those who receive it.” So this is not so much a Protestant/Catholic issue as an issue between the overwhelming majority of Christians throughout history and a few modern sects.
One wonders how the overwhelming majority of Christians could have been mistaken on this point for so long if it is as clear as you make it out to be. Maybe you're missing something...?
@@michaelcarden9623 Unfortunately, most Christians don't know the Bible let alone the original languages; and most Christians are carnal, worldly, and not ready to give up their destructive addictions.
They would rather believe the lies that support their addiction than the apostles who told us to be sober.
7The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1
8For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them. Psalm 75
31Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
32At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Prov. 23
8For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them. Psalm 75
My mom had an alcoholic father who wrecked their home with violence and debt before dying young of cirrhosis. In respect to her, my dad drank alcohol only a few times a year, and so I've learned to drink only sporadically, in small doses, with a clear conscience before the biblical teaching.
You cleared up a lot in this video. Sharing this.
I've been binging on your vids since I saw your channel. You have been a big blessing to me, thanks.
This is basically repackaged legalism. The idea that man's works will grant them favor with God.
As an abstinent Christian, I don’t believe that lol. I believe I shouldn’t put myself in situations that encourage potential sin.
It’s very personal .. each should examine themselves
The Catholic Church's position (which is also shared by the other major Christian groups) is the one that makes the most sense: drinking alcohol is not a sin, but drunkenness is. As stated in the _Catechism of the Catholic Church:_
*CCC 2290*
The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others' safety on the road, at sea, or in the air.
And I think that is the biblical teaching as well, though I'm a Protestant.
There is no safe amount of tobacco that should go into the living temple of God.
@@waynehobbs5175 Please stop quote mining the Bible. If you read the "your body is a temple" passage in context, it's talking about sexual purity, not health. That might be the single most misinterpreted verse next to Matthew 7: 1.
This video caused me to stumble lol - all that pomegranate juice talk. lololol bro your response to that SoS 2 verse was a PERFECT reductio... may your channel continue to ferment wisdom as it ages.
Michael, I was cracking up over here. Thanks for this. Had to post it on FB too.
I actually do not consume alcohol, but this is my preference and I wholly agree with your clarification of it not being a sin as long as it is done within limits (I.e. not to excess).
Same here.
A historical fact that they often leave out is that this wine likely wasn't anywhere near the strength of the wine we have today, which often has added sugars and yeast for a higher alcohol content. They could have drank quite a bit at Cana and still not have become drunk.
They knew how to preserve grape juice (new wine).
37And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. 38But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
@@joemonroe9456 they sure did - it’s called fermentation. The process of fermentation would have caused an old wine skin to burst, but a new one that had not yet been stretched out would have been exactly what you need for new wine that’s going to ferment.
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38But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Fermentation is the opposite of preservation. Contamination with yeast/bacteria is the problem with old wineskins/bottles.
5083 tēréō (from tēros, "a guard") - properly, maintain (preserve); (figuratively) spiritually guard (watch), keep intact.
That doesn't make an argument for alcohol or against
I’ve often thought it’s strange that some Christians focus on drinking alcohol yet say not one word about gluttony. It’s like they want to choose what is right or wrong based upon their own personal preference.
Yes, they don't mention pride or greed, or envy, gossip, lies, and a whole host of other things I see in the churches that I can't see Jesus doing, although I can see Him having the odd glass of wine, which Jews do as part of their thanksgiving ceremony to God each Sabbath rest day.
Obesity is rife in the churches with so much tea and coffee mornings with cakes and sweet buns foisted upon you as soon as you get near the place! I do not have a sweet tooth and I always suffer when Christians gather together with all the sweet food which I dislike, yet on the other hand I know others who love sweet things and complain that they are "tempted" by so much sumptiousness, whether for diet or health reasons, but gluttony is sin in plain sight!
I can't really drink as a kidney patient, but I hate to see so many judgemental and condemnatory Christians which are a big put-off for the faith. I now prefer to stay away from all such people.
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 Me too.
Unless you know for a fact that they never talk about anything else you can't say they don't
I really love those small videos you make. I also really appreciate the fact that you go for the truth. Thank you, you really help me in understanding the Bible.
Btw I asked a question last time, so far no response.
Yes. We can. There is a vast difference between drinking and drunkenness. However, if our drinking would cause our brother to sin, or to have trouble with his conscience, then we should refrain from drinking in their presence.
This is one I certainly grew up with and heard time and time again. Really enjoyed the video. Doubt I'll start drinking any time soon, but always thought it was ridiculous when people claimed certain Bible Characters didn't drink, especially when a lot of water wasn't always the purest, and as mentioned it was seen as medicine to the ancients.
I still see value in avoiding alcohol, but no judgement on those who partake. Thanks, and I will continue to study the topic. (Any book suggestions on ancient wine would be greatly appreciated)
While yes, I don't recommend that you drink. Especially if you're forced by your peers. Some people just can't handle alcohol very well and that's okay.
I do agree that sometimes claims like this are just ridiculous. God warned even His kings not to drink in excess.
He never forbade them to drink, though.
I thank you for your honesty, God bless.
Hi nice to see you again. I used to think the SDA Church had the answer as to why we don't have real wine at communion. But now I see some flaws in our logic. We often look down on those who drink alcohol and coffee, smoke, and do drugs, yet we ourselves are guilty of eating too much junk food.
I was raised Seventh-day Adventist, and they not only prohibit alcohol in any quantity but also encourage (but not require) vegetarianism. They often claim that Daniel and John the Baptist were vegetarians and that the "locusts" John ate were actually carob beans. The Greek word, however, always refers to an insect, and in the case of Daniel, it's clear from Daniel 10: 3 that he ate meat. The KJV describes Daniel abstaining from "meat" in the first chapter and being healthy, but in those days "meat" was sometimes used as a generic term for any food (meanwhile, the KJV says "flesh" in Daniel 10: 3, making it clear that this was meat.) The reason Daniel didn't eat the king's food is because it had been offered to the pagan gods of the Babylonians and in many cases was not kosher, which would have made him ceremonially unclean.
@@hotwax9376 I never heard any of my SDA pastors or teachers claim Daniel and John the Baptist were vegetarians. Never heard them claim the Locust were beans. I just only heard that Noah was the first person to eat meat after the flood wiped out much of the vegetation. That's not to say that some will come up with crazy misinterpretations to promote some lifestyle they consider healthy.
@@hotwax9376 YO!!!! I remember someone came to my church with that None sense of Daniel and John the Baptist being vegetarian. And we all had a good laugh. I'm Vegetarian myself, but I'm well aware very few if anyone was vegetarian in scripture.
The one that makes me laugh aswell is when people say Jesus didn't eat meat.
I know like in any church some people just run with crazy ideas, and if unchallenged they kinda just float around.
Alcohol, (and to an extent recreational drugs)I see the prohibiting of the stuff being more of a personal commitment. One is taking it upon themselves to avoid it to stay alert a sober minded so one has their faculties tuned towards God.
I’ve been seeing this guys videos on YT shorts a lot recently. I’m glad to see your response to him!
Love your content man, just subscribed. Your level of knowledge is insane. God bless you sir ✝️ 🙏
Reminds me of the "And you people wonder why I have to drink so much!" Epic line.
I appreciate the video. I grew up in a denomination that taught like the other guy against alcohol. I currently am leaning toward it being ok to drink a little. The one argument that this video does not address is most alcohol today is distilled where it wasn’t back then, meaning the process to being drunk comes quicker the more you drink. What do you think about that?
I don't think it makes any difference. The rule is to avoid drunkenness, which is totally possible even with distilled liquor. You just drink less of it, if that's what you're gonna do.
I'd say just take it into consideration when drinking and moderate accordingly. It's like how you only have a small glass of a spirit (like proper vodka) but a couple bottles of beer. You just drink responsibly and dont go too far
The Bible mentions "strong drink" as well as regular wine, so there must have been alcoholic beverages effective enough for God's Word to describe it/them as "strong," which I think is how I would view a distilled alcololic beverage today i.e. "stronger than other drinks."
I don't know if distillation was carried out "back then" or not, but the "strength" or potency of "strong drink" described by the Bible I would say would match the distilled drinks of today, whether it was achieved by distillation or not. The emphasis on "strong" applies to both.
What's the purpose of drinking? Whatever the answer you may think with the exception of being drunk, couldn't you obtain it without drinking?
And if you're a Christian, why are you appreciative towards a video produced by an Atheist? A video with various holes in its argument. If you read carefully Luke 7:33-34, which the video quotes at 3:04 , you should realize it's not what the atheist says about Lord Christ Jesus having drank alcoholic wine.
If you doubt what I say then I ask you to confer with the Holy Ghost on this matter, not some atheist who secretly laughs at the one who created the very foundation of the world.
@@GplusGains There is one clear purpose of drinking that Bible details clearly (presumably under the guidance of the Holy Ghost that you mention, unless parts of Scripture can be ignored at will to suit our own personal wishes or agenda). Scripture states that "wine ("yayin" - fermented - not "tirosh" - unfermented) GLADENETH THE HEART OF MAN." Please tell God and the Holy Ghost to erase those words as it offends my sensibilities! GOD IS WRONG! Wine only caises untold misery and is a CURSE! God must be taken to task for His evil unholy words!! !!
Yes, you can have a glad heart WITHOUT drinking, but God says you have a GLAD HEART when you do drink it. That is one purpose or at least positive description found in Scripture on wine.
It's all the pushy arguments from judgemental Christians who cause one to lose joy and has the opposite effect of encouraging one to be glad in heart. Religious stuffed shirts always condemn.
i very like your way to explain verse, God bless you and your family :)
I seen this guy ridiculously using eisegesis and had to comment it. Thanks for doing this video brother!
Here is a Sahih Hadith on Muhammad drinking Nabid (Alcohol made from fermented dates)
Sahih Muslim: "Drinks, Drinking wine and fermentation"
Narrated by Gaber bin Abdullah:
We were with the messenger of Allah, PBUH and he asked for a drink. One of his men said: "Oh Messenger of Allah, Can we offer you wine to drink?" He said Yes. He (Gaber) went out looking for the drink and came back with a cup of wine. The messenger (Peace Be Upon him) asked, “Have you covered it with a twig in a transverse manner” He (Gaber) said, “Yes” and he (Muhammad) drank.
Sahih Muslim - Hadith #3753,
So why then does Islam prohibit drinking alcohol?
@@hotwax9376 Do they? They offer rivers of wine in Islamic Heaven (Jannah). It is a mishmash.
fermentation is an amazing thing. I'm a product of 3 generations of alcoholics and lost my dad to abuse when he was only 41. So I treat alcohol with much care. While I do not drink alcohol as a rule, I do partake in adult beverages occassionally while on cruises (maybe again one day) and other special events. To insist on abstaining and then twisting scripture to match one's preference is a problem. Well done, thanks for this video.
32For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
33Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
34Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures? 6 of the 12 times "sober" is used it uses the Greek word "nepho" which specifically means to abstain from intoxicating (poisoning). The winebibbers are the twisters of scripture and are ignorant of most of scripture.
@@joemonroe9456 and you're not?
Thank you! That video came up in my shorts and it was one of the worst cases of twisting scripture to fit your biases I've ever seen. I'm glad someone covered it
You don’t know what you’re talking about friend you don’t have proof first work bc was twisting scripture
Man, I love you! This is a great video!
I cringe everytime I hear that Jesus "turn the water into grape juice". 😆 Alcoholic drinks have been around for a very long time, even before Jesus walked the earth.
And nonalcoholic grape juice is a relatively modern development. Before things like refrigeration and pasteurization existed, there wasn't much way to preserve it and keep it from fermenting.
I grew up in a Baptist culture that saw all alcohol consumption as a sin. BUT it's NOT a sin. However, drunkeness clearly is.
Hello
Please make a video on your opinions on predestination
Another fantastic response. I actually saw this guy a couple weeks ago. What I have come to find out is that he is a KJV Onlyist and usually KJVO’s and Legalism go hand in hand. You obviously responded way better than I could but I immediately saw the holes in his argument as he was ranting and I wasn’t convinced.
By the way, I too like Scotch Whiskey :)
Honestly this brings up so much contention, when the Bible is very clear on the consumption of alcohol. Simply put, yes drinking alcohol is fine in moderation and so long as you aren't drinking to get drunk. The Bible states that we should keep our wits about us and if alcohol can interfere with our judgement, then we shouldn't be drinking to get drunk. Rather we should be using alcohol medicinally not recreationally
Now I will also say this. The Bible also states that we shouldn't do something that makes us feel condemned. So if drinking makes you feel bad about yourself, or you think another Christian will think negatively toward you then you probably shouldn't drink. Condemnation isn't of God, but of Satan.
So it can also be said, "Fat Christians eating excessively make me feel bad and temp me to eat more." I'm a recovering glutton, myself. I found that Scripture always mentions gluttony alongside drunkenness. To impose the drunkenness passage without addressing our own gluttony is hypocritical. Most preachers that condemn drunks are often oversized gluttons (with occasional exceptions). Funny how many of them don't feel condemned. The point is, we should read Scripture and examine ourselves with honesty.
@@naphtal Very good point! And witness Christians' manners and courtesy when it comes to a spread of food laid out at an event. Putting others first comes last! Not to mention church car parks! Our example should emulate Jesus. He is our focus, not all the broken people in the world who have problems and addictions, whom we seem to be be forming our life behaviour over, albeit supposedly protectively, but in most cases it comes across as very self-righteously.
It would be nice to see a bit of common sense among all this endless bickering and arguments over Bible stuff. I now stay away from church altogether as it's all too offputting. No stress!
I am a Christian who cannot drink because I am an alcoholic.
i feel you bro.
Another excellent vid 👍🏾
Thank you for this video.
In light of the health considerations, (heart attack, cirrhosis of the liver, and hereditary issues) it’s wise to think before you drink.
I always try to ask not if it’s ok, but if it’s wise and helpful.
2 beers a day for men or one glass of wine is beneficial for health according to scientists, now of course dont smash a 30 pack every day, then you will not only not get the benefits but you will surely be killing yourself
In order to get cirrhosis of the liver, you have to drink 3 ounces of pure alcohol per day for about 10 years. That's about 6 beers, 5 full glasses of wine, or 6 shots of hard alcohol.
It's not easy to accomplish that.
Exactly...it only aggravates a lot of problems both physically and mentally and I absolutely disagree with IP on this.
Alcohol has health benefits at low quantities, that is why it's prescribed by the Paul the Apostle.
That’s why there thing call moderation. Of course if someone is drinking to much alcohol they will experience health problems. It same thing as eating to much fast food.
Jesus first miracle was to keep the party going jovially with lively spirits. Clearly there's a time for such celebration.
IP, will you ever make a video on the capital punishment in the Bible? I'm really interested in that and I have never received a solid answer on whether the Bible condemns it or not.
I had a preacher once say that he doesn't think you should have rubbing alcohol or mouthwash in your house because that's too close too drinking
The word wine is used for both alcoholic and non-alcoholic grape beverages. Non-alcoholic wine may not have existed but I believe he just meant grape juice. We see grape juice referred to as wine a lot (like flowing from the winepress, being freshly pressed, or being called new wine/freshly squeezed)
they knew many ways to preserve wine. It's a common lie that they didn't.
Doesn't say Jesus was drinking alcoholic wine. Alcoholic wine is clearly condemned. The cup of the Lord is the "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "cup of devils".
25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
The new wine is grape juice. If you put grape juice into old containers that are contaminated with yeast, then the grape juice ferments and breaks the bottles.
7Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved
So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Prov 3:10
cap Non-alcoholic wine did exist back then
My whisky and rum collection thanks you, fun fact only Scottish whisky is spelt like that all other whisky is spelt whiskey.
Some believe the wedding, the wine got drunk out by 12 additional fisherman that Jesus hung out with, although I've never looked into this myself..
It's about the state of your heart when drinking and the reason to drink. I love beer, whisky and rum, but using it to Medicate I think leads to issues. Same with using it to whilst out can lead to debauchery. That said I go out to the pub with my Christian mates and it's ace, it helps accountability and has space for fellowship.
Good job my brother!
Please do a video on owning guns for protection! I literally heard a sermon at my church where the preacher basically said it’s better to let a killer kill you rather than for you to do anything (killing the killer) to protect yourself!
That's stupid.
I almost died laughing when you started having "the talk," and wasn't he JUST talking about biblical illiteracy?
I’ve observed Fundamentalist Baptists, Holiness Pentecostals, as well as certain ethnic Protestant churches believing this way. My theory is that many such church communities were either originally planted by missionaries who believed this way or it sprung up in cultures where alcoholism was a common problem & this belief came about as an over correction to confront it. Paul tells us in scripture that different Christians will have different convictions & we must respect that. If an individual Christian thinks it’s a sin for himself/herself to consume alcohol, don’t force them to drink. The problem becomes when you force your personal convictions onto all other Christians. Unfortunately though, in my experience, many such Christians don’t have a category for someone who drinks without getting drunk. In their minds you either abstain or are an alcoholic, there’s no middle. So in their worldview they have to explain away Jesus drinking, it just doesn’t fit in their black & white paradigm.
That last part you describe is exactly what legalism is/ does lol pushing your convictions onto others and calling it law.
Legalism is usually bad .It adds rules that were not even mentioned in the Bible.
Take not there are good Legalistic Christians , but unfortunately many of them do force their opinions on others.
I identify as one of the aforementioned categories and while I myself have not ever drank and I was always taught incorrect Bible things like the wine Jesus made being grape juice 🙄 I've come to the realization a few years ago that I don't think drinking in itself is a sin. I've had conversations about it with friends, but yeah in my circles most people would outright condemn it. For me though I want to understand what the Bible says and teaches and try the best I can to go by that in all aspects of my life
I think you're drinking dangerously close to excess to be making this point XD
I loved it. New sub!
@4:17 😂😂😂 I am SO DEAD! HAHHHAHAHAHHA
How much you drink and who you drink with are important to think through. I certainly wouldn't encourage more drinking among Christians. As a Pastor, I spend plenty of time with Christians who drink. Most of them end up drinking too much or drinking with people they shouldn't have. Just something I notice. But I certainly wouldn't preach NOT to drink, I just can't find reasons that it's important to do, or brag about doing it. Alcohol itself certainly isn't bad or banned.
Does the same apply to cigarettes? Having meals after church when most of the congregation are morbidly obese? What about the youth drinking several caffine 'energy drinks'?
I had a fat pastors once and they had fryups of greasy chips after every morning service. I left the church as to me it was encouraging gluttony.
Next they will be justifying poisoning the skin with tattoos and saying Yeshua did it.
I grew up being told that drinking alcohol is a sin so I converted to Catholicism (joking)
But seriously Protestants contradicting the Bible is what helped me convert haha
One of the big ones that has always bothered me, is the whole no music, or singing, style denominations. They are literally contradicting the bible not just misreading it. That being said the current pope and many of the stunts being performed by the catholic church of late, make me uneasy trusting my soul with men who so readily traffic with real genuine evil. Sure their are still some good Catholic priests, but I am not sure the Catholic church has any kind of special authority to speak of on such subjects.
Begome Orthodox XD
Half joking btw, if catholics are a bit worrying considering the *Red Pope* you should try the eastern or oriental orthodox churches. Try eastern christianity, just as apostolic but a lot less liberal.
@@ceasedesist9676 I don't know, I grew up Methodist and have little issue with the teachings of John Wesley even if I am not always fond of the way the institution acts.
I take no issue with Protestantism, I'd argue I even lean Protestant. I think my big issue has more to do with the manner in which we cling to these institutions as if they are more important than the teachings and the meaning behind those teachings. Jesus made Peter the rock, but I think that has more to do with how he lead the early apostles to spread the faith than with any institution which claims to have authority over the souls of men.
If anything I'd argue I am a Christian first before ought else. I go wherever I feel God takes me, and try to understand as many readings of the bible and it's doctrine as possible, and act according to my conscious. As I feel ultimately that is the only way we can even come close to a genuine and honest understanding of scripture.
That being said I do recognize the importance of ritual and tradition, even If I am not explicitly attached to any given institution, and often worry that such traditions can devolve into idolatry.
@@patrickbuckley7259 Although I agree with the sentiment I will have to note that with western and eastern christianity the idea of the church differs. Although eastern christianity considers the church universal they would never say that out of the church = no salvation in the organizational sense. Eastern Christianity also does not pronounce judgement on one's salvation, concept of something like a reprobate that can be identified is not a thing. If you ask them will you be saved they'll just ask, "Do you believe and trust the promise of Christ upon death? If you do, then why worry, keep the faith and God will do the rest." (Paraphrasing)
Furthermore easterners don't have one pope, they have multiple and call them patriarchs instead. All patriarchs are autonomous and independent but do recognize one another's churches as one, holy, catholic and apostolic. Furthermore spiritually a patriarch has equal authority to a normal or even auxilliary bishop. It's not a pyramid in the east, ecumenical councils treat the vote of every bishop as the same regardless.
If you're struggling about it you might wanna read the early church fathers and pray about it. Their justification of the church by tradition is defended scripturally by them, by the word of church fathers and the fact that all except for protestant churches can trace themselves to this one universal church system. Not to press further but don't you think it's odd that it took 1500 years for the concept of a non-universal church to take hold despite the fact that schisms in circa 431 AD (Nestorian/Assyrian Schism), 451 AD (Oriental Orthodox Schism) and 1054 AD (Roman Catholic/Eastern Orthodox Schism) did not change the universal church doctrine in the breakaways.
I’m Anglican, where two or more are gathered there will be a fifth. I’ve only been following you about a month and I got to say love the content!
This is so true. 😂
Even church leadership is allowed to drink. 1 Timothy 3:8 says that they shouldn’t be allowed to drink “much wine” which clearly allows for some wine.
man. unbiblical doctrines are still popular (the doctrine that alcohol is always bad) can we do some research to find out why, and what to do about it?
Colossians 2 16-22 calls it "false humility and the worship of angels", although looking at the ancient Greek, it looks more like "false" in the sense that these people have deceived themselves
You should form a church where you study the Bible with others
@@Rizimar those who teach Gods word are held to a higher standard, and have more significant consequences. i don't want to be the next teacher to lead people astray due to my human err. starting a church is a super tall order on its own, then it has to succeed somehow.
A lot of people have had negative experiences with alcohol directly or indirectly (family members), so it can be hard for them to see how alcohol could be good in certain instances.
@@john3_14-17 one glass. once a week. you get to enjoy it, but it's very clearly stated in the video that intoxication must be strictly avoided. and obviously, if you aren't getting intoxicated, the family cannot be affected. it because another drink when the brain is used.
As teetotaler myself, alcoholism runs in the family, I agree that drinking in of itself is not sinful but rather the excess and overindulgence of booze.
This is exactly the way I am too. Drinking in moderation isn't a sin, but my family has such an extensive history of alcoholism that I don't want to become the next victim of those bad genes and thus don't drink at all.
All I have to say is Deuteronomy 14:26 "You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household." This was related to a festival, not everyday life, mind you!
listening to such stuff online would make me want to have a drink as well
This is another problem too Christian’s assume “since the Bible dosent say it, it’s not wrong” yes it may not specifically but we must use wisdom and logic to determine if something is wrong especially if it’s hinted at
Gambling is not found in the bible.
I always thought it would be for some reason
@@rickyhern2156 but it’s wrong and it’s giving money to others and deceiving people into thinking they might get an x amount of money. If you’re wasting your money on that instead of godly uses then it’s sin
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I'm not saying it isn't.
Just thats it's not in the bible.
@@rickyhern2156 oh I understand just saying lol
If drinking alkohol were supposed to be sinfull, then why on earth did Christ institute the eucharist (with is something Christians are supposed to do repetively) by commanding His diciples to drink wine? I don't know how one can linguistically can go around this, but its clear from practice that from the very beggining people undestood they had to use wine for the blood part and they practiced as such.
You collect whisky too? :) Awesome, which ones are you favourite? I'm a big fan of Coal Ila 12 (for smoke) and Benriach 15. I also really enjoy Irish and Japanese whisky, and bourbon!
The fact this is even a question people are still asking blows my mind.
Just take it easy Mikey, you had your issue with alcohol, so don't let it sneak up on you again. I always tell brethren that it's written "All things are lawful, but not all things are of benefit, all things are permitted, but not all things build up,"
Might want to be careful
@@lancethefilmguy9392 I could say the same to you. Caffeine is a hell of a drug
@@isaiahben-yahweh3245 Looks like IP did his research on this topic. It's cool to disagree with him because I don't drink alcohol either. However, he at least brings up some good points.
Michael you are amazing dude. And my respect went up for you for enjoying those good peaty scotches
Thank you
@@InspiringPhilosophy : Det14:26 which is often cited as proof that the consumption of alcohol was Approved even in old testament. However, it turns out that the immediate context was focusing on tithing if you check from verse v22. So the case here was that the place where they were going was far so they would exchange their tithes which was mainly produce, into cash as they were Instructed in the scenario. Then purchase oxen, sheep, wine and strong drink. Strong drink and wine were mentioned in vs26 but the passage simply says that they must eat Before God After they purchased what was listed in 26. The reason why the very passage in vs26 simply says that they can "...eat..." and not "eat and drink" is simply because strong drink was mentioned. It was only used for offering see Numbers28:7, and all strong drink offerings were not drank but were to be poured down in the Holy Place As is indicated in Numbers 28:7. The reason why they would purchase strong drink for offering and tithe is because unfermented wine wasn't usually readily available like how fermented wine was.
LOL, I had this out with a teacher. I used to bootlegs booze, and wine was very popular. No one drank grape juice. People walked barefoot. They dropped wastes on the road just as animals did. Even scrubbing their feet, they couldn't keep some nasty bacteria from the grapes. Wine is also used to describe the Holy Spirit.
Twelves times we are told to be sober.
Doesn't say Jesus was drinking alcoholic wine. Alcoholic wine is clearly condemned. The cup of the Lord is the "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "cup of devils".
25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
The new wine is grape juice. If you put grape juice into old containers that are contaminated with yeast, then the grape juice ferments and breaks the bottles.
7Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved
So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Prov 3:10
04:19 “oh sweet summer child…” indeed 😅😂🤣😆
I wish someone would do a video on Christian’s and Psychedelics. The things you experience. It’s kinda shaken my whole world view honestly :(
The drugs or the music?
@@xin0 the drugs
@@quattrobajeena135 it's wrong because it opens up door ways for demons to possess, gives false impression, and makes you become something you are not
How do you know the experience is bringing you truth?
There is studies happening right now on giving them to pastors and priests
Was waiting the whole video for a spit take. Very disappointed we didn't see one...
I’m not spitting out good beer and whisky!
@@InspiringPhilosophy I don't drink (for reasons unrelated to the video), but isn't that what Bud Light is for...?
Thanx for this video IP, I am a devout Catholic and I drink alcohol but not in excess
Some pastors need exorcism from the spirit of error.
As a doctor what I recommend is don't drink alcohol at all. Well.. little amount of alcohol is good to reduce ischemic heart diseases. But still even little alcohol amounts bring more issues than benefits to your body. And at the same time it depends on the person sometimes, but still commonly it brings lot of health issues. You don't know to which kind your body belong. So it's better to stay away from alcohol.
I’ll listen to GOD! 🙏🏻
What's your opinion on use of cannabis by vaporization?
While I agree it is not sinful in an objective context, it may be sinful for some. As Romans teaches, if someone goes against their own conscience, they have sinned. So, if someone truly believes that consuming alcohol is wrong, and they do it anyway, then it would be a sin for them to drink it.
I grew up in a church where drinking was not allowed at all and went through a Christian school that also severely frowned on alcohol. It wasn’t until I graduated high school and started taking ministry classes through the denomination my church was that I learned most Christians have no problem with alcohol.
Who cares what most Christians say. The bible permits drinking, not drunkenness.
Hi there. I really enjoy your videos. They are always thoroughly researched and really gave me a passion for Theology.
Please keep up thee great work and I'd appreciate it if you could make a video explaining the dead sea scrolls and the differences between them and our modern transitions as most of the videos on this topic on TH-cam do not go into great detail
Jesus according to Number 31:18 ordered sexual slavery of female children 👇
"But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep them alive for yourselves.”
Pulpit Commentary of Number 31:18
"No doubt many of them became inferior wives of their masters"
@@christianityexposed9462 Off topic comment?
@@misterauctor7353 I think that the crucified man commanding to climb children according to number 31 18 is a more important topic to talk
@@christianityexposed9462 Adding into the text?
@@misterauctor7353 "But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep them alive for yourselves.”
Why did their sexual status mentioned? "That have not known a man by lying with him"
"Keep them alive for yourselves" for what?
Isn’t this BC guy a King James only guy! that is nonsense.
Can you please make a response video to all christians who say that is a sin to be a soldier or to even defend one self?
As I've stated before, I was raised Seventh-day Adventist, and they have traditionally taught that drinking alcohol in any quantity is sinful and that Jesus turned water into grape juice instead of actual wine. I have also heard many Adventists say that it's blasphemous to use wine instead of grape juice for communion because it's fermented (which they equate to "leavened.") The historical context you presented clearly demonstrates that this is bunk, especially given that there was no refrigeration, pasteurization, etc. to prevent fermentation from occurring. I hope you will do a video some time on jewelry, because that's another issue where SDAs seem to twist Bible verses out of context to say that it prohibits it (Ezekiel 16: 11 is a good verse refuting that IMO).
All this said, I still choose not to drink at all (despite being legal age), not because I think it's a sin to drink in moderation but because I have a long family history of alcoholism, and most of my immediate family are also teetotalers for the same reason. (Hence why I would personally prefer grape juice for communion instead of wine, even though I don't think there's any biblical basis for condemning the use of wine for it.) Where other people drink beer, I usually drink Coke or Pepsi or some other soft drink, or maybe a non-sparkling beverage. And where other people drink wine, I just drink grape or apple juice. I guess sugary beverages are the closest thing I've ever had to a vice.
Having a IPA with dinner not that MEGA PINT you have 😂 great video by the way!
Listen to Pastor Raul Ries on Drinking Alcohol. He is from Calvary Chapel Golden Springs. Church phone number is (909)396-1884.
I love looking at the parallels in history. The temperance movement came around about the same time as pasteurization and when refrigeration became more viable.
They knew many ways to preserve grape juice. Jesus talks about preserving the new wine (grape juice). Jesus is the new wine of the covenant. The "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "wine of Sodom" and the "cup of devils".
Lol, I totally agree with you. May not have done it in this way but you're speaking the truth. 🤣
Thanks for this good video. This has always been my interpretation too. I love a cold beer with my dad or wife or mother-in-law.
It made me think though. The main problem about alcohol abuse (the reason it is sinful) is not the effects, it's the abuse in itself.
BUT because the effects are often so bad and obvious it stands out.
But this has the adverse effect of making abuse/addiction/overindulgence of other things be overlooked. And it makes people think like "well, excessive consumption/use/focus of XYZ has no drastic effect/impact, so it's okay."
And I think we all have areas where we indulge/focus too much on something such that even if it's not having obvious effects in the world, it takes take/energy away from more important things, it causes imbalance in life, it takes focus off God, it has internal/mental/emotional effects or it hurts just the people closest to us in maybe gradual, subtle ways.
In a way, the drastic effects of alcohol are a "blessing" (and I in no way mean to downplay how terribly some people have been hurt by alcoholics) in that they help us identify when there is overuse.
Every molecule of alcohol is damaging your body.
6 times we are specifically told to be sober. And the Greek word "nepho is used which mean to abstain from poisoning ourselves. Alcohol destroys many millions of lives; it's not a minor issue.
Alcohol can kill or completely ruin someone. Self control is the key. If you can’t control your consumption, then don’t drink. As a Christian, following conviction is my greatest advice. God allows it in small amounts. It’s the gluttony of it that’s a sin. Even my dad who is a Baptist minister (and doesn’t drink) will attest to this fact. If you’re going to have (a drink or two) be mindful of the Spirit, and do it with discretion. Be blessed and may God guide each of our steps with joy and discretion. Nothing wrong with a small amount! Nothing wrong with abstaining for the sake of conviction.
I have only quit cigarettes a couple months ago after being saved, so I am staying away from alcohol simply to avoid further increasing my cravings,
praise Jesus for helping me through!
But if you can drink responsibly, more power to you!
Doesn't say Jesus was drinking alcoholic wine. Alcoholic wine is clearly condemned. The cup of the Lord is the "cup of blessing" as opposed to the "cup of devils".
25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
The new wine is grape juice. If you put grape juice into old containers that are contaminated with yeast, then the grape juice ferments and breaks the bottles.
7Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved
So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Prov 3:10
I burst out laughing at the pomegranate part, not gonna lie
Thank you and cheers 🍻
God... When are you gonna be on Twitch? We deserve it 😳
I’ve given this much thought and study as a recovery counsellor and yes you can drink but not so much as anybody would even know you’d had a drink. If you’re too drunk to drive a car then you’re too drunk to drive a soul and have sinned and shouldn’t drink at all.
I love this channel 🤣
I'm a Christian, I know about these things over alcohol for while, although I don't drink it because of the consequences that excess brought to my family. So I have chosen to not follow the same steps as my relatives did.
Just like any substance, as long as you use it responsibly and you’re not abusing it, there’s nothing sinful about it.
So just watching a little pornography is ok then? Obviously not, so why is alcohol any different
@@gianlukeakins6162 I’m not sure if you are aware, but watching porn and putting substances in our bodies are two different things. Do you want to just discuss why drinking small amounts of alcohol is ok, or drugs in general? As far as alcohol, There are known health benefits to consuming small amounts in moderation. It’s when you begin to indulge and abuse it that it becomes harmful. You can say it’s wrong all you want but we will have to agree to disagree and I don’t even drink alcohol. Jesus literally turned water into wine for people to drink. Was he wrong for doing that?