Celestion G12-65 Heritage, in depth look.
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- The Celestion G12-65 Heritage is a classic speaker, so much so that in the 00's Celestion added it to their Heritage range of speakers (high end, UK made, faithful reissues of the classics). They have however been a speaker that has seen varying degrees of popularity in different quarters. Here we try and cut through a little to what we like using them for and see how they handle different playing styles and levels of gain.
Please let us know what you think. If you have any suggestions please let us know, if you've used the G12-65's before tell us how you got on.
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Gear used:
Fender Eric Johnson Stratocaster
Gibson Les Paul Studio
Daemoness Flying V
Mesa/Boogie Stiletto Deuce
Strymon Riverside Overdrive
Strymon Flint Reverb/Trem
MXR Carbon Copy Delay
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Jensen Speaker guy here... thanks for featuring my favorite Celestion speaker! Sweet tones, great playing, and of course, amazing cabinets!
Glad you like the cabs, that is very kind of you. I'd love to get some of your speakers in the workshop. My email is info@zillacabs.com I'd love to chat.
@@ZillaCabs Thank you, sure thing!!! I'll get in touch right now, been following and appreciating what you do for some time and would love to work together!
@@ZillaCabs Email sent :)
I've never like any Celestion speaker and always went with Eminence. I decided to try one of these and got hooked. Excellent speaker, not harsh, great midrange, very vocal, nice little "hair" on the cleans. Hard to describe.
Ya great pick. Prolly at Rola Italy if I'm not mistaken? But you didn't hear that from me.
Sadly Celestion's Chinese factories do not seem to care about magnet materials. No Mic in front of them can fix their sound.
Wow! You sound incredible. Awesome demo as well, one of the finest I’ve seen. Looks like my search for new speakers in my twin ends here!
Sounds absolutely AMAZING!
Thanks Artur
That's a great speaker indeed! Astonishing sounds there especially with the strat, just sweet. Thanks a lot, guys.
Our pleasure mate... you really are getting through all our videos aren't you! I really appreciate you taking the time to watch.
Zilla Cabs and I really appreciate your effort and knowledge you put into this. Very informative. It's really nice to hear someone who really knows his job well. Rock on, guys!
Thanks for strenghtening my choice to get this Heritage speaker.
I’ve been looking at ordering a Zilla for my Pro Junior and was really unsure what speaker to have in it. I emailed Zilla and Paul came back to me straight away with this recommendation. This video sounds incredible and has made my mind up for me. Thanks Paul and everyone at Zilla for being incredible
No problem at all, it is my pleasure.
This sounds excellent! I am not going to lie, I was a bit thrown back when I saw that the amp used was a Mesa/Boogie Stiletto Deuce in the description. I like the heavier tones in demos, but the clean and mid-gain stuff really sound excellent with this cab/speaker setup.
Sweet sounding speaker, sounded great in both cabs, especially with the Strat, so I would be happy with either cab. That Flying V looks amazing too.
Thanks mate, yeah the V is a beast, I'm a bit scared to play it though. I think it is a great speaker for the Strat and I prefer open back for this one I think. Good for small cabs too with the low end it puts out. Paul.
Sounds killer. Nice to hear a speaker demo from a fine player such as yourself. Considering this for a HRD as per Scott Henderson's recommendation, this sounds like a second thumbs up.
Thanks Jesse, that is very kind of you. I'm glad you enjoyed the video
HRD? These speakers sound great on this demo and in person. I recently ordered an accurate clone of Dumble 183, made by Lou Rosano of Louis Electric... also got a 2x12 coming w the Celestion G12-65s. Sounded focused but smooth, rich and warm when I tried it...sounds like he found some good qualities here in clean and mid level gain settings as well.
I heard these in a silver face twin recently and was blown away by the clean tone and crunch tone. They sounded phenomenal.
I've ordered two! :)
Wicked! I have to say I think they are my favourite speaker for a silver face twin too... I'm dying to get my hands on one of those again.
@@ZillaCabs I have put two original G12-65's in my Fender the Twin red knob... It has made the amp go fra mediocre to an absolute beast! Best amp ever! The otherwise awful sekond channel now chimes and the notch takes it into Marshall territory!
Finally, a video that correctly showcases this speakers true beauty. Anyway mate, it be great if you could make a video about your playing style!
Thanks I'm glad you like it. Joe is a great player, especially when demoing this kind of speaker and tones.
Fun (kinda) fact: these were most likely the speakers that Angus Young used on the Back in Black album 🤙🏻
It's a great speaker for those tones for sure.
Sounds bloody great!
It is a great speaker, thanks for watching.
Probably the most amazing speaker in existence. Very rich midrange to blend in with other speakers that are dull.
I wish the creambacks were also made at Rola with the good magnet material like these. (I was told they are very very likely made at a Rola factory in Italy.
have watched a boat load of British speaker vids to see if one sticks out for my 6V6 Plexi build that is coming to a finish very soon. Something about this speaker seriously catches my attention that it may be perfect for my coming amp, along with the kind of classic rock I play out every weekend, and the verstality it could offer for the 2 or 3 decades of rock that I play out. this one just may be it. thanks man, good vid. And I like that you play a Strat and a Les Paul since they are so different and ubiquitous, along with a good amount of cleanish stuff.
Thanks Philip, I'm glad it was of some help... if we have an excuse to get a strat and a les paul out we'll do it ;)
Your playing style is what we would call "Like Buttah" here in the states. Sounds great man!
Joe is a great player for sure.
Excellent video and demo!! I find those G12-65s like a larger sounding version of the old G10L-35 I have.
Thanks for the kind words. I've been wanting to get my hands on a set of those for a while. I used to have some but that was back in the day and never really appreciated them. That would be a great comparison video.
These go great with JCM 2203 and 2204 type of amps, really shaves off that brittle harshness and balances things out, and they are great for metal sounds with such amps
That's a great comment there... also for sure, its under-rated for metal. We're going to be doing some videos especially for metal later in the year, I'll try and get some g12-65s in there.
I love the Super Fatboy with G1265s you built me!
I think the G1265 is great for the Maiden tribute I use it in. It also has very unique mids to my ears. Sort of really singing...I love it!
I dont play modern metal, so I don't know how they work for that...
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@@andreasocarroll5390 I would say they work well for modern metal though I don't play much of that too. In drop C which is the lowest I can go/ they handle very well but it's not your typical V30 tone that everyone uses, it's just a different tone
I like it when he brings the metal
I have an image of him bringing it in a gift wrapped box now.
Thanks! Subscribed!
Thanks for the sub!
Every demo of this speaker reminds me of Eric Johnson. There's something about how round it sounds, so it's weird you're playing a EJ strat.
The two do go well together for sure. Thanks for watching.
Your playing is awesome. Also I thought the metal riffs sounded pretty sweet. High five✋🏼
Joe is a great player.
Nice, sounds a lot like a sound ive been looking for similar to An early 80s Rola 80.
yeah they are great for that, as well as loads of other styles too.. it's becoming a favourite of mine. Thanks for watching.
I can sum up my interest in the G12-65 in three words:
Ride The Lightning
nice video, preferred the first sounds on everything
Any videos on a 15 inch celestion guitar speaker?
Thanks Tim. We have a video on the 15" Fullback coming soon. We also have a 15" EV that needs a video doing too.
Never really understood closed back cabinets. I think those early greenbacks that naturally lacked bottom end - when put into a quad configuration in a closed back cabinet really boosted the bass that was naturally lacking from those speakers. But so many speakers made since really like moving in an open back, especially when alone in a small cabinet
I think the G12-65 does lend itself well to open back cabs, that is my preference for these anyway.
I tend to think of this driver as a Fender speaker that sounds better pushed. Fender spec units are often rubbed cones to keep the sound linear to a point by which they fall apart, Celestian is designed to distort more gracefully.
Exactly the demo I was looking for - thanks fella! Beautiful playing, great demo. Question - is this a broken in speaker or a brand new one? Q2 - is this the 8 or 15ohm version?
Thanks very much! This is a brand new out of the box 8ohm. The very start of the video are the first notes played through the speaker.
Glad you liked it.
@@JoeHarvattis the speaker in this video a Chinese made g12-65? Have you experienced any issues with Chinese made Celestions? I saw a comment about magnet material being inferior so I wanted to ask. I have ordered one and I am wondering if I should have gone with a more vintage British or Italian made speaker.
I’m looking for a speaker that will help tame the edgy / icy high treble of my Tone King Imperial amplifier. Ideally, will add rich midrange and tight bass. Do you think the G12-65 might be a good fit? Thanks!
Like your Videos! You're a great player! Funny that you made videos about the G12-65 and the Classic Lead 80. These both are my favorite speakers so far.....after a long "journey" where I tested a lot of different speakers and didn't get to satisfaction. These two come closest to the sound I wanna achieve. More warm and thick than thin and harsh. Thought about combining them in my 2 12 Marshall cab. Do you (all of you) think this could work out? Or could the difference between 65 Watts and 80 Watts be a problem? Glad bout answers!
Thanks for that, I'm glad you enjoy the videos. You know what I'm not sure I have mixed those before, but I bet it sounds great. I think we will be doing more speaker mix videos in the coming months as we are looking to fix some stereo room mics in to the new studio. That would be a great mix!
I just installed both of them today in a JVM 205c
@@xtakerux hey...cool! So what is your impression? Does it work out for you? I also had installed them both in a 2061x cab. Wasn't too bad. But I changed it again and have now two of the G12 65er's in it.
All this time i have been wondering why i prefer the JVM for leads and not any other amp , i tried running different head specifically to that combo that contains the 65 (Marshall heritage) , and i got curious, it was the low end qnd the smoothness that has provided such liquidity,, marshall usually pairs it with a more aggressive speaker(v30) for a better balance and i really feelthe 65 to be quite darker,,, i personally find it difficult to get the rhythm tone that is articulate and percussive,, and maybe that's why JVM haters complain about in comparison to the JCM
Yes, amazing speaker, cab and player! 😉 Wich is the orange cab you use in this video?
Thanks for that. I think it will have been the Compact 1x12.
Sounds really good in all aspects and styles.I'm interested in possibly obtaining a few of these speakers and have been told thru various sources that the eminence tonespotter is a g 12 65 copy.Does anybody now if there is any truth to that claim?
This is the core of Metallica’s Ride the Lightning album. Hetfield used these with JCM800 and his V that was loaded with SD Invaders. Before he switched to EMG later on.
Great video! I'm thinking of replacing the stock 75s on a 1936 2x12 with two g12-65s -- trying to mellow out the trebs, increase the mids and firm the bass also reduce the volume a bit for those smooth 80s leads and possibly able to crank my JCM800 2204 a bit more into that sweet spot without drowning everyone else in the band. What are your thoughts?
65s are more balanced than 75s true.
I love my 75 though it can be a bit too woofy at times,im like u i will try a g12 65 for sure
I use the G12-65's in both an open back combo and 2x12 box... They "mellow out the trebs, increase the mids and firm the bass" for sure. Compared to the G12-75's and 70-80's that they replaced they are definitive upgrade for sure. You can still occasionally find original G12-65's (Made in England) on the used market in the $120 range and they are superb.
This should sound decent in my Hot Rod Deluxe 👍
Yeah, I absolutely love them with Fenders. We did a video on a twin conversion with G12-65s and it was probably my favourite amp of that year.
Does anyone know anything about the g12n65 super 65? I’ve looked all over TH-cam and can’t find shit.
Do you think this would be good in a Princeton reverb 12 inch combo?
Hi Alex, it is a great speaker in Fenders. I haven't had one in a Princeton (I haven't played the 1x12 Princeton but we have done conversion before to 1x12 combos), but we recently had a silver face twin in that was loaded with a pair of g12-65's and it sounded amazing... I mean really amazing, so I see no reason why it wouldn't sound great in a 1x12 Princeton.
Let us know how you get on if you load one in.
@@ZillaCabs Thank you so much! Yeah I definitely intend to get one just need to save the funds up 😊
@@alexmurphy5289 Let us know how you get on.
@@alexmurphy5289 sorry mate, youtube blocked that comment for some reason (probably a long link). I can't wait for the next Princeton to come in so we can do this to it.
@@ZillaCabs No problem! Yeah I hope to try it out myself here soon, stay well
Play mostly clean.. GT-65 is the go to speaker when playing clear and clean.
I'd love to get a 1x12 with one of these speakers. How can I place an order with you to convert a combo amp into an amp head with an extension cabinet?
email
Hi Charles, thanks, I'd glad you like it. Thanks for sending your message through, I need to apologise for the slow response, we are in the middle of moving workshops and email responses have been a bit slow lately. I will get something over this evening.
@@stefanozurich as it goes Charles emailed us yesterday but we have been rather slow lately responding, it is my fault.
HI Charles, sorry I did see your email come through yesterday, we are in the middle of moving workshops and have been a bit slow at responding to emails. I will get something over this evening. Cheers. Paul.
@@ZillaCabs. Thanks for the information. I am eager to work with you. The videos and photos you have posted are great showcases of your skills.
I have a G12-65 in a tiny closed-back cabinet. It doesn't sound anywhere near that good. I gotta open that thing up!
Yeah, from experience they tend to work well with open back cabs.... I'm not really a big believer in certain speakers having to be used in open or closed back cabs, but I do tend to find the G12-65 makes a lot of use from that ambience an open back cab can give you.
Zilla Cabs I have a 212 Carvin cabinet of Carvin rebrand Eminence speakers which are supposed to be a Vintage 30 clone or a copy of their own Governor speakers. And everyone thinks of closed back when they think of Vintage 30s. My 212 cabinet is an open back cabinet and it sounds immense!!
Isn’t this the speaker Angus Young used back in the early 80s?
I'm not sure, but I know Marshall used a lot of them in their cabs in the 80s and Angus is well known for playing Marshalls so I guess he will have used them at some point. We know one of ACDC's amp techs so I will ask him.
As far as I know, G12-65's were used to record the Back in Black album. Greenbacks were used pretty much for everything else and always used live.
The first time I stuck a mic up on my 70's Marshall with 65's with a JMP, it sounded like AC/DC, except less good because I'm not Angus or Malcolm.
@@guywithoutthought Yeah, they're great speakers that sound good from sparkling clean to any amount of gain or distortion. I've found that they do take a while to break in though. I have a new pair in a 1936 cab and after about 15 hours of really pounding on them, they have just started to break in. I have a 4x12 cab with 1980 G12-65's that sounds glorious with any amp I've ever used with it.
I have a pair of 82' g12-65s and they are great at taming bright amps but they have this harsh upper-mid frequency bump that I don't care for. They do sound great for leads but for rhythm I'd pass.
I do know what you mean there. I think they are a great speaker for the right job, sometimes the perfect speaker but for certain styles there are more suited speakers out there for sure. Thanks for watching.
It’s funny you say that because that was my gripe With Eminence’s Legend GB128. Do you guys think the GB128 could be Eminences version of the G12-65?
Yeah, I agree, but it can be dialed out somewhat by backing off on the treble setting (for Marshall amps).
Until the speaker cab gig takes off, Dude is making his living as a WW2 commando or possibly a ninja...
nah Joe is a burglar, that's how we get good guitars.
I gotta know ,is this known as Super 65s ?
Good question but no the Super 65 was a budget speaker and the G12-65 is at the upper end of the range. I remember it on the price list when I first started fifteen years ago but it seems to have dissapeared now. I think it was replaced by the Midnight 60, which I imagine is a very similar thing.
Sorry just to clarify, the super 65 isn't available anymore, the g12-65 is though.
tasty noodlin bro
This is actually the sound used by Metallica
Nice don’t like v30s
Sounds like my dog dropped it
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