This is very important. Most governments have been really bad at responding to information attacks, be it leaks or social ops. I learned a lot from Ukraine in the first months of war, how they never really bothered to fact check Russian claims, but instead launched this massive but decentralized counter narrative and almost branding campaign, with themes and memes that flipped the discourse. Russia pushed confusion, fear, disengagement, Ukraine pushed back with themes of courage, trust, strength, community. Such a master class.
Emma is awesome. She informed me of things and made solid connections that are new to me. Thank you for having her on. The consistency and variety is admirable. You've had people on I'd have otherwise not heard of or at least not listened to in an environment this personal and comfortable. Thank you both!
@@dremmalbriant2459 You are so very welcome. Thank you again for sharing your knowledge. Knowledge and wisdom obtained/earned through a life of hard work.
It's nice to know Emma is on the job. Years ago, the "classitup" story broke on YT, and another foremost expert in digital activity (DT Analytics) weighed in on this topic (the extreme right) within Az. state politics. A real eye opener. Thanks for a great interview.
Another home run Johnathan! It's reassuring to know there are people like Emma working at understanding and explaining these nefarious techniques. Thank you for bringing her to our attention and expanding her audience. Your continued efforts at finding and talking to outstanding guests is so impressive and very much appreciated!
As always, an extraordinary discussion of what's going on and what we can do about it. We all have to educate ourselves and this channel is leading the way!
Hi Jonathan, I am always fascinated by your interviews and, above all, by the speakers you select. They illuminate things that I know intimately but don't normally reach deeply into and I thank you for the service you give. For active listening the subtitles but I understand perfectly the topics covered. Good continuation for your dissemination activity. I'm 75 and it's too late to learn languages.😊but👍
Thank you for the work you put into this channel. It is a relief to find intelligent informed people reflecting at length on what is happening in the world, particularly when so many are trying to stop just that.
Excellent interview, Emma has a fascinating insight in this field, she is definitely someone who needs to come back on channel, so much more to learn and discuss! 👏 Bravo 👌
Totally agree. I thought she was a great guest, and has an incredibly strong academic pedigree… but some comments on the channel don’t seem to agree… 😞
Wow, these are some disturbing implications. It's hard to know what to say about this. We are not ready for this. Even the natives of the information age who live in the most developed parts of the world are not ready for this. I doubt that anyone in the world is really ready for this, including the coders and testers who are writing AI.
I'm sure the devs are not ready, but they may be the best equipped to counter it. If Emma & Mr Curtain find people remain who are intimidated by the term _algorithm,_ then "ethical technologists" will have to be in the vanguard of the solution.
Hopefully at some point people will get lessons on navigating through the internet and learning to use it as they would a vehicle or crossing a road. Look twice both ways before crossing and don't get into strange web sites without checking the owner isn't so kind of weirdo with malicious intent. Its not so much that the internet is ever really going to get much better, but the more people who go online forewarned and forearmed with just enough knowledge of what they're doing there will hopefully help them in the long run. Because it is a very powerful and useful utility that can do a lot of good in the world, but like a business or government, the morality and ethical uses of some parts are not necessarily in the user's favour.
The concluding observations nailed it. From my (US) perspective, the conspiracy theorists (not their influencers) mean well - have principled intentions - but are not the best informed citizens. Coupled with their anxious-neurotic predilections, this makes them the "high maintenance" citizens. (Fans of _When Harry Met Sally_ know this.) Thus correcting their high maintenance demand requires exponentially more effort. I think Emma's recommendation to get them involved is the only practicable solution.
thanks so much for everything you 're doing on this channel .. ! at the bottom I think the most difficult thing it's to teach AI recognize something like what's is "right and wrong " ? where is " good and evil " ? "what' real and fake " ? .. can be manipulated and manipulative ..
I read both Brittany Kaiser’s expose’ Targeted 🎯 and Chris Wylie’s expose’ Mind F*ck 🤯 about Cambridge Analytica and it’s predecessor SCL Group. Both well worth reading.
I was just about to say, a lot of what she’s describing as a phenomena reminds me exactly of Cambridge analytics and the US experience over the last decade. Welcome to hell!
@@sherrillwhately7586 agree, it’s a pity and a shame. Although I’m convinced Putin views it as payback. He doesn’t think people go out in protest unless theyre paid by the US security agencies so it’s safe to assume a lot of what we’re dealing with today is his way of ‘retaliating’ to protests in Russia and Ukraine a decade ago 😒
I think the comment about countries "fighting wars from their perspective" is very wise. The comment "Democracies like the UK" I am not sure about though, or at least I don't see the UK as a fully functioning democracy right now...
I trust Emma's face and feel very recipient to her mannerisms, speak and mesage. If the trollfactory in S:t Petersburg generated her to infulence me, they did a thorough job.
Ordinary civilians should be able to recognize bots and trolls. Nowadays Internet is flooded by bot messages. Many years ago I had a correspondence with a local glavset like troll. As an ordinary civilian I did not know that I communicate with a troll. Later my troll turned out to be a local journalist. In the end of our correspondence it was unclear if I trolled her or if she trolled me. Dealing with troll messages is easier than dealing with bot messages. Regarding Cambridge Analytica- I wonder if Cambridge Five and Cambridge Analytica have something in common?
Facebook. Some people might just like to argue. I remember watching two people arguing about vaccines. One for and one against the COVID vaccine. They went back and forth, "You should be vaccinated like me" vs "They are unproven / don't work". After some hours the vaccinated one said it was getting late, she had to work in the morning. The other agreed but signed off with, "Don't worry about me, I have been vaccinated already". At least one of them had picked up some appropriate terms for the condition leading me to think it could be a nurse.
Another good one. I wonder with Cambridge Analytica (and those others associated), has it survived in any form/s? The people who working there and groups associated, what are they doing today?
All I know is AI is terrible at content moderation. AI can’t read sarcasm for example, maybe because the programmers were on the spectrum? I was punished by Facebook for “repeatedly sharing” fate cat photobombs. I mean seriously, they were either funny or cute not dangerous disinformation.
Yes, AI does not get jokes yet- especially sarcasm and satire… it’s probably just about capable of bad puns and ‘boobs and butts’ type of innuendo at this point…
It seemsAI got a lot better recently at understanding jokes and memes. You might enjoy googling "ai jokes" I don't know about sarcasm and saitire, though.
This is all comfortably familar to me. I am aware of what is likely the most destructive corruption. There the misinformation is only directed to a small group, who then pass it on to the rest of you. An additonal problem with this is that in some cases this makes a problem that can easily be reversed irreversible. Not because those who cause this are deliberately evil, but because they are blinded be the lies.
At a guess, it's a play on silicon (=cyber) and iron curtain (=cold war). EDIT: the "curtain" could also refer to the wizard pulling levers behind the curtain in "The Wizard of Oz."
I think it's because of how Russia is closing its citizens off from large parts of the web. Perhaps also because of how Russia enacts cyber-warfare against all its neighbours and all democratic countries. A silicon curtain is descending, and it is a bit like the Iron Curtain of the last century. Russia is building a digital citadel and its trajectory is war - mostly by other means, such as sabotage and manipulation.
Sure / it’s because in the Cold War the barrier between autocracy and ‘freedom’ was a physical border - the ‘Iron Curtain’ - now assaults on freedom are virtual- everywhere there are electronic devices - hence ‘Silicon’
@@SiliconCurtain Build a better scammer and you can beat a path to anywhere in human opinion. We’re biologically programmed to fail against AI mind control. Moths circling a streetlight.
The obvious and simple solution is to outlaw government active information operations conducted on its own citizens. All (unclassified and non PII) government or government contractor owned information must be easily available on the internet to any citizen. No citizen should have to ask permission to access this information. It should be a crime for any government official, employee, or contractor to conceal such information. No government employee or government contractor should be allowed to push information to anyone outside of the government. It should be a crime to do so. No government employee, unelected official, or government contractor should be allowed to speak for the government. Only elected officials can speak for the government. The buck stops with elected officials. A government employee, unelected official, or government contractor should only be allowed to speak to the public about government business at the invitation, and in the presence of an elected official. No government employee, elected or unelected official, or government contractor should be allowed to use a spokesman. The buck stops with elected officials, who can speak for themselves.
Imagine being afraid of your own beliefs and presuppositions being reflected back to you. How's that for paranoia? If you are that weak minded, then you need to toughen up. Don't put everyone else in a rubber and cotton ball room just because you can't distinguish propaganda. If the government is saying it, it may or may not be true, but it probably has an agenda that is inimical to the individual.
The East is thoughtful. They know who they are. The East is glad The West doesn't quite know what they are. If The West was a specific place, they might have to take some responsibility, but The West isn't a formal unit, so any country can simply blame another one. The Global South, not The South, The Global South is certainly more together than The North or even The Global North, but still there's quite a bit of ambiguity. Africa is all on it's own in this schemata except South Africa, part of The Global South, but part of The East. How'd that happen? It is on the eastern side, why of course! South America and Australia are one. The Global South is up and coming, a force to be reconned with. The East is China, all China. India will be China, Russia will be China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Mayanmar, Phillipines, Both Koreas, Vietnam and many others. Lets make it simple, simple simon. China, The East, all the same, Orientals, and The West, it's all white people that only speak English. I love your understanding narratives, it feels so grand to say The West, doesn't it? Anyway it passes the TH-cam censors. Here in lies the problem. The East controls the narratives of The West. They don't like the term Oriental, so it's the one I prefer, but hey, The East means the same thing. If you live there you hate The West, so if you like The West, you are not in The East even if it is East of say, Europe. Only, I haven't heard you or anyone else say The East, or The Global North. Only The West and The Global South. If you could in greater detail explain exactly what you mean by those two, and start saying The East, and The Global North, it would be more fair to those two directions and I might know what countries you are talkimg about. Without that, I assume ypu mean the USA and Great Britain, not necessarily Ireland but definitely NATO, right? Of course it's your prerogitive if you would like to stay cloudy, for convenience, but as I said it may be leaving too much in the vague zone, fuzzy place where equipmemt is lost and countries drop off. This is directed at you, and me too, it's contagious using these utterances path of least resistance type of thing perhaps. Another point, what happens when The West, starts draconian measures more harsh than China's? Has it become the East? The Tiktok ban bill, isn't only that, it's an internet policing bill that will give you 20 years in jail or a million dolar fine for using a VPN for any number of things, obviously written on The East Coast. California won't enforce that crap. Scare tactics really Chinese or Russian style. How are they going to catch you if you used a VPN? They won't be able to see who used Tiktok to go arrest them from their office chair whilst eating a Dingdong, so have to scare kids with the big punishments. Some unlucky bastard or bitch will of course get the full punishment, so it's taken seriously. Am I giving them too much benefit of the doubt, or has the East Coast US become The East? I'm sure you read the article if you haven't it's worth the read in shock value. Those grillings of tech companies, specifically Meta and Tiktok are done only to push some lobbies' agendas. They want more control and more power. Where is the difference here between Democracy and Communist dictatorship? Not that they shouldn;t ban Tiktok, but they really want to build a huge Tiktok data center in Texas that will get the rigjts to massive amounts of the powergrid, thus preventing weapons manufacturing, like is happenimg in Norway. Thanks for all the great interviews, wanted to troll you mostly in fun though I think it is something that needs to be more specific, information that is, in order to not feed in to other narratives. If other country people from anywhere other than The East, specifically Russia, China, and India feel offended by the term Oriental my apologies. Now you know how I feel.
I summarized this to say that the East is better at controlling information, and that this War on the West becomes about resentment politics and revenge.
Western academia has largely been coerced be Russians. At bottom they don't trust stupid working people to make decisions--they need organizers and activists to inform their naive thoughts. And the mentally superior academics should be the decision makers. Alinsky.
24:09 good Lord! This _is_ MAGA, right here. CA developed a great anode in the sky, drawing all the negative neurotics into its glowing aura. (No, Virginia, anodes have no aura; however, the imagery is more fulfilling with it.)
Smart person, useful views. But, um, ar, you know, you know, um, you know ah. Please calm down, write the point in your head, then speak. No more ‘you know’, I do not know, which is why I am interested in what she is saying.
This is very important. Most governments have been really bad at responding to information attacks, be it leaks or social ops. I learned a lot from Ukraine in the first months of war, how they never really bothered to fact check Russian claims, but instead launched this massive but decentralized counter narrative and almost branding campaign, with themes and memes that flipped the discourse. Russia pushed confusion, fear, disengagement, Ukraine pushed back with themes of courage, trust, strength, community. Such a master class.
Emma is awesome. She informed me of things and made solid connections that are new to me. Thank you for having her on. The consistency and variety is admirable. You've had people on I'd have otherwise not heard of or at least not listened to in an environment this personal and comfortable. Thank you both!
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Oh!!! Thank you so much!
@@dremmalbriant2459 You are so very welcome. Thank you again for sharing your knowledge. Knowledge and wisdom obtained/earned through a life of hard work.
It's nice to know Emma is on the job. Years ago, the "classitup" story broke on YT, and another foremost expert in digital activity (DT Analytics) weighed in on this topic (the extreme right) within Az. state politics. A real eye opener. Thanks for a great interview.
Another home run Johnathan! It's reassuring to know there are people like Emma working at understanding and explaining these nefarious techniques. Thank you for bringing her to our attention and expanding her audience. Your continued efforts at finding and talking to outstanding guests is so impressive and very much appreciated!
As always, an extraordinary discussion of what's going on and what we can do about it. We all have to educate ourselves and this channel is leading the way!
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Of all the things you talked about, I found the AI the scariest. We really have no idea what mis-directions are to come.
EUvs Disinformation website has been my latest discovery on this topic. I enjoyed Emma Bryant. Thank you for bringing this interview to us.
All this a few years after google dropped their "Don't be evil" slogan too...makes you think.
Hi Jonathan, I am always fascinated by your interviews and, above all, by the speakers you select.
They illuminate things that I know intimately but don't normally reach deeply into and I thank you for the service you give.
For active listening the subtitles but I understand perfectly the topics covered. Good continuation for your dissemination activity.
I'm 75 and it's too late to learn languages.😊but👍
Thank you for the work you put into this channel. It is a relief to find intelligent informed people reflecting at length on what is happening in the world, particularly when so many are trying to stop just that.
👍 I wanted to start the channel in 2021, as I had a portent of terrible events. But the full-scale war in Ukraine was the trigger…
5 star interview! Thank you Emma and Jonathan 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
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Another fantastic topic covered so very well. Thank you!
Excellent interview, Emma has a fascinating insight in this field, she is definitely someone who needs to come back on channel, so much more to learn and discuss! 👏 Bravo 👌
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Totally agree. I thought she was a great guest, and has an incredibly strong academic pedigree… but some comments on the channel don’t seem to agree… 😞
Oh thats so nice of you, thanks!!
Yes, especially if the speaker's willing to offer examples and case studies: the more specific, the more informative it will be
Very enlightening conversation!
Can't wait to watch this, Russian propaganda is everywhere....
Worse yet, credulous people are everywhere.
Wow, these are some disturbing implications. It's hard to know what to say about this. We are not ready for this. Even the natives of the information age who live in the most developed parts of the world are not ready for this. I doubt that anyone in the world is really ready for this, including the coders and testers who are writing AI.
Can we just block Russia from social media? Lol would require blocking all VPNs which would be a pity but perhaps, worth it 😬
I'm sure the devs are not ready, but they may be the best equipped to counter it. If Emma & Mr Curtain find people remain who are intimidated by the term _algorithm,_ then "ethical technologists" will have to be in the vanguard of the solution.
Thank you Jonathan for another insightful guest. Really informative!
Hopefully at some point people will get lessons on navigating through the internet and learning to use it as they would a vehicle or crossing a road. Look twice both ways before crossing and don't get into strange web sites without checking the owner isn't so kind of weirdo with malicious intent.
Its not so much that the internet is ever really going to get much better, but the more people who go online forewarned and forearmed with just enough knowledge of what they're doing there will hopefully help them in the long run. Because it is a very powerful and useful utility that can do a lot of good in the world, but like a business or government, the morality and ethical uses of some parts are not necessarily in the user's favour.
Very interesting and informative
Always good content on your channel.
Brilliant woman ..
Good job, Jonathan!
The concluding observations nailed it. From my (US) perspective, the conspiracy theorists (not their influencers) mean well - have principled intentions - but are not the best informed citizens.
Coupled with their anxious-neurotic predilections, this makes them the "high maintenance" citizens. (Fans of _When Harry Met Sally_ know this.) Thus correcting their high maintenance demand requires exponentially more effort. I think Emma's recommendation to get them involved is the only practicable solution.
thanks so much for everything you 're doing on this channel .. ! at the bottom I think the most difficult thing it's to teach AI recognize something like what's is "right and wrong " ? where is " good and evil " ? "what' real and fake " ? .. can be manipulated and manipulative ..
I read both Brittany Kaiser’s expose’ Targeted 🎯 and Chris Wylie’s expose’ Mind F*ck 🤯 about Cambridge Analytica and it’s predecessor SCL Group. Both well worth reading.
I was just about to say, a lot of what she’s describing as a phenomena reminds me exactly of Cambridge analytics and the US experience over the last decade. Welcome to hell!
@@Rbb0828 All so unnecessary.
@@sherrillwhately7586 agree, it’s a pity and a shame. Although I’m convinced Putin views it as payback. He doesn’t think people go out in protest unless theyre paid by the US security agencies so it’s safe to assume a lot of what we’re dealing with today is his way of ‘retaliating’ to protests in Russia and Ukraine a decade ago 😒
@@Rbb0828 Putin apparently has a big imagination or is massively projecting about our reach.
Another awesome presentation - there should be millions watching this
Regarding propaganda "unchecked capitalism is just as dangerous as unchecked authoritarianism". Wow, the Truth of that really struck me...
Ron Diebert is a good Internet security expert. He's not well known outside of the rest of the world.
I’ll look him up - thank you!
I also love Ron Diebert!
I think the comment about countries "fighting wars from their perspective" is very wise. The comment "Democracies like the UK" I am not sure about though, or at least I don't see the UK as a fully functioning democracy right now...
I trust Emma's face and feel very recipient to her mannerisms, speak and mesage. If the trollfactory in S:t Petersburg generated her to infulence me, they did a thorough job.
Ordinary civilians should be able to recognize bots and trolls. Nowadays Internet is flooded by bot messages. Many years ago I had a correspondence with a local glavset like troll. As an ordinary civilian I did not know that I communicate with a troll. Later my troll turned out to be a local journalist. In the end of our correspondence it was unclear if I trolled her or if she trolled me. Dealing with troll messages is easier than dealing with bot messages. Regarding Cambridge Analytica- I wonder if Cambridge Five and Cambridge Analytica have something in common?
We are up the creek, aren't we?
Facebook.
Some people might just like to argue. I remember watching two people arguing about vaccines. One for and one against the COVID vaccine.
They went back and forth, "You should be vaccinated like me" vs "They are unproven / don't work".
After some hours the vaccinated one said it was getting late, she had to work in the morning. The other agreed but signed off with, "Don't worry about me, I have been vaccinated already".
At least one of them had picked up some appropriate terms for the condition leading me to think it could be a nurse.
Another good one. I wonder with Cambridge Analytica (and those others associated), has it survived in any form/s? The people who working there and groups associated, what are they doing today?
I know it’s probably a sweater but at first glance I thought you were wearing a bathrobe sitting there and I can’t unsee it 😂
👀 definitely a sweater!
All I know is AI is terrible at content moderation. AI can’t read sarcasm for example, maybe because the programmers were on the spectrum? I was punished by Facebook for “repeatedly sharing” fate cat photobombs. I mean seriously, they were either funny or cute not dangerous disinformation.
Yes, AI does not get jokes yet- especially sarcasm and satire… it’s probably just about capable of bad puns and ‘boobs and butts’ type of innuendo at this point…
@@SiliconCurtain You forgot poop 💩
It seemsAI got a lot better recently at understanding jokes and memes. You might enjoy googling "ai jokes" I don't know about sarcasm and saitire, though.
By the look of the targeted advertising I get on you tube etc, this tech has a really, really long way to go 😏
This is all comfortably familar to me. I am aware of what is likely the most destructive corruption. There the misinformation is only directed to a small group, who then pass it on to the rest of you. An additonal problem with this is that in some cases this makes a problem that can easily be reversed irreversible. Not because those who cause this are deliberately evil, but because they are blinded be the lies.
Do you mind if i ask why the name of your channel? I may be ignorant but i haven't been able to figure it out. Thanks.
Good question. I can only guess. Jonathan, can you enlighten us?
At a guess, it's a play on silicon (=cyber) and iron curtain (=cold war). EDIT: the "curtain" could also refer to the wizard pulling levers behind the curtain in "The Wizard of Oz."
@@Guy-Lewis the words : silly & con, may also be a part of it.
I think it's because of how Russia is closing its citizens off from large parts of the web. Perhaps also because of how Russia enacts cyber-warfare against all its neighbours and all democratic countries. A silicon curtain is descending, and it is a bit like the Iron Curtain of the last century. Russia is building a digital citadel and its trajectory is war - mostly by other means, such as sabotage and manipulation.
Sure / it’s because in the Cold War the barrier between autocracy and ‘freedom’ was a physical border - the ‘Iron Curtain’ - now assaults on freedom are virtual- everywhere there are electronic devices - hence ‘Silicon’
People actually paid Cambridge Analytics to tell them that neurotic people are more susceptible to paranoia? My god how the money rolls in.
It’s messed up, isn’t it!
@@SiliconCurtain It's not messed up. It's snake oil. Fools and their money are soon parted.
@@SiliconCurtain Build a better scammer and you can beat a path to anywhere in human opinion. We’re biologically programmed to fail against AI mind control. Moths circling a streetlight.
No, it was to identify those specific people who would be most susceptible.
@@dremmalbriant2459 How specific? Do you mean by name?
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The obvious and simple solution is to outlaw government active information operations conducted on its own citizens. All (unclassified and non PII) government or government contractor owned information must be easily available on the internet to any citizen. No citizen should have to ask permission to access this information. It should be a crime for any government official, employee, or contractor to conceal such information.
No government employee or government contractor should be allowed to push information to anyone outside of the government. It should be a crime to do so.
No government employee, unelected official, or government contractor should be allowed to speak for the government. Only elected officials can speak for the government. The buck stops with elected officials. A government employee, unelected official, or government contractor should only be allowed to speak to the public about government business at the invitation, and in the presence of an elected official.
No government employee, elected or unelected official, or government contractor should be allowed to use a spokesman. The buck stops with elected officials, who can speak for themselves.
So how was Brexit happening? Why is no one getting investigated?
because the people who made brexit happen sit in government, they wouldn't investigate their own shady dealings, would they?
Regarding the lab leak, I actually believe it did happen.
Silicon Puppet, Bwaaaaahhaaaa!
Ron muppet?
I'm beginning to think God is the only power that can guide AI. No doubt many viewers here are atheists, but we're too stupid to get ahead of it.
AI will overtake us very soon, I believe, but will not necessarily mimic our violent and destructive ways…
Imagine being afraid of your own beliefs and presuppositions being reflected back to you. How's that for paranoia? If you are that weak minded, then you need to toughen up. Don't put everyone else in a rubber and cotton ball room just because you can't distinguish propaganda. If the government is saying it, it may or may not be true, but it probably has an agenda that is inimical to the individual.
The usual problem with Academics, they cannot see in front of their nose
The usual problem with generalizations: they add nothing.
The East is thoughtful. They know who they are. The East is glad The West doesn't quite know what they are. If The West was a specific place, they might have to take some responsibility, but The West isn't a formal unit, so any country can simply blame another one. The Global South, not The South, The Global South is certainly more together than The North or even The Global North, but still there's quite a bit of ambiguity. Africa is all on it's own in this schemata except South Africa, part of The Global South, but part of The East. How'd that happen? It is on the eastern side, why of course! South America and Australia are one. The Global South is up and coming, a force to be reconned with. The East is China, all China. India will be China, Russia will be China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Mayanmar, Phillipines, Both Koreas, Vietnam and many others. Lets make it simple, simple simon. China, The East, all the same, Orientals, and The West, it's all white people that only speak English. I love your understanding narratives, it feels so grand to say The West, doesn't it? Anyway it passes the TH-cam censors. Here in lies the problem. The East controls the narratives of The West. They don't like the term Oriental, so it's the one I prefer, but hey, The East means the same thing. If you live there you hate The West, so if you like The West, you are not in The East even if it is East of say, Europe. Only, I haven't heard you or anyone else say The East, or The Global North. Only The West and The Global South. If you could in greater detail explain exactly what you mean by those two, and start saying The East, and The Global North, it would be more fair to those two directions and I might know what countries you are talkimg about. Without that, I assume ypu mean the USA and Great Britain, not necessarily Ireland but definitely NATO, right? Of course it's your prerogitive if you would like to stay cloudy, for convenience, but as I said it may be leaving too much in the vague zone, fuzzy place where equipmemt is lost and countries drop off. This is directed at you, and me too, it's contagious using these utterances path of least resistance type of thing perhaps. Another point, what happens when The West, starts draconian measures more harsh than China's? Has it become the East? The Tiktok ban bill, isn't only that, it's an internet policing bill that will give you 20 years in jail or a million dolar fine for using a VPN for any number of things, obviously written on The East Coast. California won't enforce that crap. Scare tactics really Chinese or Russian style. How are they going to catch you if you used a VPN? They won't be able to see who used Tiktok to go arrest them from their office chair whilst eating a Dingdong, so have to scare kids with the big punishments. Some unlucky bastard or bitch will of course get the full punishment, so it's taken seriously. Am I giving them too much benefit of the doubt, or has the East Coast US become The East? I'm sure you read the article if you haven't it's worth the read in shock value. Those grillings of tech companies, specifically Meta and Tiktok are done only to push some lobbies' agendas. They want more control and more power. Where is the difference here between Democracy and Communist dictatorship? Not that they shouldn;t ban Tiktok, but they really want to build a huge Tiktok data center in Texas that will get the rigjts to massive amounts of the powergrid, thus preventing weapons manufacturing, like is happenimg in Norway. Thanks for all the great interviews, wanted to troll you mostly in fun though I think it is something that needs to be more specific, information that is, in order to not feed in to other narratives. If other country people from anywhere other than The East, specifically Russia, China, and India feel offended by the term Oriental my apologies. Now you know how I feel.
I summarized this to say that the East is better at controlling information, and that this War on the West becomes about resentment politics and revenge.
Can't listen to this to the end....sorry...see my comment below...
Western academia has largely been coerced be Russians. At bottom they don't trust stupid working people to make decisions--they need organizers and activists to inform their naive thoughts. And the mentally superior academics should be the decision makers. Alinsky.
24:09 good Lord! This _is_ MAGA, right here. CA developed a great anode in the sky, drawing all the negative neurotics into its glowing aura.
(No, Virginia, anodes have no aura; however, the imagery is more fulfilling with it.)
Too much giggling generalities, not enough serious examples
Look up her articles and papers - they are pretty heavyweight and actually fascinating- especially on Cambridge Analytica
Smart person, useful views. But, um, ar, you know, you know, um, you know ah. Please calm down, write the point in your head, then speak. No more ‘you know’, I do not know, which is why I am interested in what she is saying.