Why did Martin Scorsese make the Irishman and drop Joker?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 พ.ย. 2019
- Martin Scorsese talks with BBC Cinematic's Sam Asi about his decision to make The Irishman, making long films, working with Robert De Niro and Al Pacino, and dropping out from making Joker.
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Because he already made Joker, it was called Taxi Driver
Sergio Leone already made - Irishmen.
There are similarities but it’s not a complete copy like most people think
Precisely. People will say it's different but it have too much similarities to Taxi Driver and King of Comedy.
Steve Lewis duh lol
@@ozeirGD It really doesn't, be quiet already. I can name so many inspired and clearly similar films to Scorseses' movies and movies that came out before his.
I didn’t actually realise how soft spoken Scorsese is.
B C S well, it pays to watch him in documentaries??
His microphone wasnt on
Watch videos when he was in his 30s in the 70s and he had that fast talking, almost borederline assholeish New York personality. Not rude, just that intense New York style
@@SX1995able he was high on coke all the time lol
Hes older
My left ear is loving this
SG89 😂
it's really annoying cos the interviewer is sitting on the left but his voice is coming out of the right speaker and scorsese's sitting on the right but his voice is coming out of the left speaker :(
Yeah , i had to reverse it
@Shahaan Singh Nah, I'm listening on professional monitors with the channels in the right places and Marty's in the left channel.
I love how you put that! But both voices should be mixed to center channel. Both mics were probably split L/R so the editor could have more freedom in mixing, but who ever made this probably just slapped the audio in and forgot about it. Annoying! Just cuz I do this kind of work all day and its such an easy fix. I only hear this in very amateur recordings.
This legend is 76 and still sharp as tacks.
9:11 Makes me sad. Please God make Marty immortal.
I get what he's saying. This could be it, so if it is this would be the time to make your feelings known about the state of the industry & rally a call to action to shape accordingly. Let be heard and pass on.
You american?
Marty's next film based off the book Killers of Flower Moon, about the Osage Indian murders in the 1920s. It's a deep ass book. So I'm excited to see how he will tackle such a heavy story.
@@thesebsanimationstudios1455 jesus christ!
Yeah 911 makes us all sad
“You follow?” must be the old school version of “know what I’m sayin’?”
You talkin to me? You talkin to *me?*
It's an Italian way of saying it
I see Marty, I press play, it is that simple for me.
Same here
Who wouldn't want to see and hear a legend talking ?
I see you comment, I read it, I reach for the gun and push it to my temple, I reconsider my discussions, it’s that simple for me.
"marty" ? and who the fuck are you? his best friend? lol idiot
all day
7:06 JOKER
Thank you
Oh my God, thank you.
F-ing LEGEND!!!!
Why just skip forward to that point? Scorsese’s analysis and comments about story telling, the filmmaking process and characters are fascinating.
@@AC26875 yeah but we want to hear about joker
Instead of making joker films, Marty made the movie that joker actors gain inspiration from. Hes playing 4D chess man.
he's an artist's artist
Finally an accurate usage of 4D
lol I try
kpobje you are dead on point with this comment !
Even stared the actor from the movie that its inspired from.
Some people say "You know?"
Others say "Right?"
But Scorsese, he says "You follow?"
And like a shepherd, they followed him like sheep.
He said all 3
I get you.
I feel you Marty...🤓 The irishman should’ve been a theatre experience.But he’s right about how people want quick amusement, the attention span of people has reduced. And he’s also right about how theatres and studios need to promote these art movies more often.we are so truly surrounded by blockbuster cinema that all these deep character and narrative movies are really under represented in our culture
Disagree. It should have been a limited series a la THE WIRE, SOPRANOS, BOARDWALK EMPIRE, etc. Marty's stubbornness and archaic ways made it an overlong feature that was viewed by 98% of the audience on TV streamed. It's the least appealing in Scorcese's crime cannon; way after THE DEPARTED, WOLF OF WALL STREET, CASINO, MEAN STREETS, GOODFELLAS, etc.
@Funk O'Matic Indeed, should have been a limited series. Then they could have even gotten deeper and extended it but Marty was set in his ways. It was an overlong snoozefest, weakest crime film by Scorcese.
@@reimourrpower9357 The weakest Scorsese movie is still miles better than Black Panther, Endgame and nonsense like that. Atleast in the Irishmen they try to make them real people that you can relate to (even though Marty has done it far better before)
'You follow me?'
Aye the great man said that a few times lol.
it's interesting this interview reminded me a lot of him in his early interviews when he was still in his late 20s early 30s. he would say stuff like "you see?" quite often as well
'You talkin' to me?'
In an Italian interview he will say 'capiche?'
@@denisherlock3023 fuggedaboudit
Scorsese did not actually speak ill of Joker here. If you love the film, relax. If you have disdain for the film, relax. This man is just great to listen to.
He did produce it so speaking ill of it would just be stupid
No shit, why would he?
@@rowan631 He didn't produce it. Emma Tillinger Koskoff was on the production team though, which he did state in this interview. It's Scorcese adjacent. :)
People have been scrappy with each other over this film, as we all know. Sometimes this manifests as Joker fans vs. Scorcese fans who hate Joker. I noticed it in this comment section; however I think this interview is really great, so I felt moved to simply say, "relax!" I hope that clears things up.
I love how MCU stans are still mad at him for spouting the truth about their corporate quip fest. Fun movies, not art and not cinema so stop shoving them down our throats like they're the greatest movies ever made
Art os subjetive...
Josué Oliveira Andrade learn how to spell first. Then try to understand that Marvel movies doesn’t try to convey a message or are made with voice, they’re just big cash grabs that follow the story of comic books for the sake of making a movie.
@@sebasortiz6309 Art is subjective*
Sorry, i'm not american, my mother language is portuguese, so as my phone corrector.
Of course they try to convey a message, and gain lots of money, a movie can't do both?
@@JosueMTVFan When has a marvel movie ever had a complex message
@@leftenantthunder I think the X-Men movies, especially Logan, have a complex message.
0:52 I thought his voice was shape-shifting into Joe Pesci.
So you thought he was funny?
does he look like a funny guy to you?
Now that you know it wasn't, go home and get your fucking shinebox
Oh ho Eddie you're a big boy you can explain, so he's funny how? You think he's here to amuse you?
Eddie Cardwell you think he’s a clown to you?
Great interview congrats to the interviewer for asking such good questions.
You can check out his interview with Joaquin... It was terrible, but I think he learned finally
As an interviewer should, but I agree!
Please never die Marty.
It's fascinating to me how this genius is slowly turning into a mix of Pesci, De Niro and Pacino.
I agree that's why I think it would be fitting for it to be his last film. it's like his career is coming full circle.
You become the average of the five people you spend the most time with.
It’s so fascinating listening to his reasoning behind not choosing to direct joker.
Scorsese directs characters that challenge our real life expectations. If a character exists in a comic book universe, it can be discarded as farce.
Why does it feel like whenever Martin talks, it's on 2x speed
The sound mixing in this video needed a hand by Scorsese. With headphones, his voice only comes out on the left side, and the interviewer's on the right.
Two things:
1) he's right about Marvel
2) Joker is an excellent film, it doesn't feel as if belongs to comic books genre
Truee
Joker was overrated
platinum1111 comics are a medium. the “superhero genre” would be more appropriate
@@guileniam yeah, so true.
It's such a good film but not the best of the year as people say, and I'm pretty sure that those ones that say that are the same peolpe that have no a bit knowledge of cinema beyond super heroes and franchises
@@guileniam It was hyped so much by critics and fans alike I was a little disappointed even as a film buff that it didn't deliver. I think the overhype is what killed it for me.
Superhero movies are like chewing gum, they are good at the start, but after a while the taste go's and you have to spit it out.
Joker isnt a superhero movie... According to everyone, including Martin Scorsese
Please abbreviate. What makes superhero films different? Do you mean the genre or just individual films?
ENDGAME, CIVIL WAR, BLACK PANTHER, DARK KNIGHT (RETURNS), SIN CITY, WATCHMEN, V FOR VENDETTA, 300, etc. are 'chewing gum'? You have questionable taste in snacks, consume better cinematic food.
@Funk O'Matic thank you. Scorcese is / was a great director who got his feet wet in genre film (Boxcar Bertha) then created his own in Gangster films (Mean Streets, Goodfellas, The Departed, etc.). He's being selective in his disdain. BATMAN RETURNS & DARK KNIGHT, MARVEL ENDGAME, BLACK PANTHER, CIVIL WAR, WATCHMEN, V FOR VENDETTA, SIN CITY, etc are substantive films with arcs and characters as strong as any of Marty's urban or historical features.
@@reimourrpower9357 The Godfather 1&2. Taxi Driver. Apocalypse Now. Jaws. Close encounters of the third kind. Blade Runner. Alien, Aliens. Gladiator. Saving private Ryan. The thin red line. The LIghthouse. Arrival. Zulu. Dunkirk. Ben hur. etc. My choice in real movies is better than yours... I guess!! 😁
Martin Scorsese is our generations John Ford in terms of length of career, quality of films and importance to American Cinema during their lives.
lovely interview, the questions were interesting enough to give us some informative and engaging answers
Guy on the left, right speaker.
Guy on the right, left speaker. Makes sense.
One character paints his face and the other paints houses. Go figure.
I shouldn't get into the painting class
Both are smokers.
So eloquent and every word well considered. A master that has honed his craft to near perfection.
He knows the interviewer is foreign so he speaks unusually slow. Normally he's like the Micro Machine guy.
Such a nice guy this Scorsese.
Angry Silence the interviewer’s English than most native speakers’. I think Marty just talks this way
Angry Silence
The interviewer’s english was more than good plus he does speed up a couple of times so I don’t think he changed his tone for the interviewer
@@adelh7862 I never said his English wasn't good.
I understand Martin Scorsese clearly about Joker.
Seriously. It's amazing: if people actually *listened* -- before opining -- things would be much easier. The whole marty-vs-marvel thing is a perfect microcosm of how the media, for reasons of profit-maximization ultimately, simply cannot fucking straight-report anything anymore. All drama, all conflict -- all, actually, delivered exactly like a Marvel film, complete with CGI and bright sets and "high-energy" protagonists. Total fucking garbage.
Rant over. :)
The Joker's a 2-way rip off of The King Of Comedy&Taxi Driver with a splash of Paul Schrader,JP's been better as well..
Ryan Gettig I’m tired of hearing about Joker ripping off movies, it really didn’t, and do you know how many films I could say the same thing about, go watch marvel movies
THE ENTIRE SUBWAY SCENE WAS AN ACTUAL INCIDENT IN NYC IN THE 80's!GOOGLE BERNARD GOETZ-I"M TIRED OF LIGHTWEIGHT BABY WIPE NEOPHYTES LIKE YOU NIK:)have a nice day:)
Ryan Gettig “have a nice day” that’s a nice way of saying I have no idea how to win this argument? Since you wanna bring that up...
For the 2nd time now do you know how many movies contain references and throwbacks to other movies or inspired by specific events, pay attention
Watching with headphones. Every few seconds I hear someone “mhmm” in my right ear 😂
Other directors : missiles ,rockets ,bomb blast effects.
Scorsese: single gun creates a lot of impact than others ( taxi driver)
One of the last great (if not the most) filmakers of the 70 still relevant in 2019.
good interview! only note I would make is that I would pan the audio to the sides that the people are sitting on. Like your voice being in the left ear, and his in the right (if hard panning the audio) is the route you want to take. It sounds slightly pitched up as well
A+ Interview questions. This was a treat to watch!!!
Nobody:
Martin: "...you follow?"
true GOAT.
Scorsese is such a legend and an OG. im so happy he's still around with us
Martin Scorsese is the legend
This interviewer actually asks good questions.
Scorsese is always a treat to listen to, and his films are rich in detail and depth, both emotional and physical; he's a master at doing period details.
It made me smile when he mentioned John Cassavetes, as there are similarities to his earlier works. Cassavetes was an incredible actor too; he always made it look so easy.
One of the more apparent ways Scorcese's films have been able to defy dwindling attention spans is Thelma Schoonmaker's editing. She was way ahead of the curve on the growing attention deficit of the audience. It's impossible to fall asleep watching Goodfellas, obviously for the story and performances, but also because the editing has so much energy it's like a dose of caffeine that will keep you glued for as long as Scorcese chooses to.
Word Lifer She is great. But mostly at being able to technically realise the instructions of Scorsese. She doesn’t do the editing by herself, all creative vision is mostly Scorsese.
@@lordbunbury There's a fine line in editing between a director's vision and an editor's creative skill. As a former editor myself, a lot of the way I got my ideas into a cut was to let the director believe it was their idea. lol Don't underestimate Thelma Schoonmaker's influence on him. I've seen footage of him telling her what to do, and I've seen footage of him deferring to her suggestions. Unless we're in the room to witness who suggested what we have no idea. But we do know she edited these movies, and has been honored above all others in the field a number of times. Editors are not just another pair of hands. There is a craft all its own to it.
Word Lifer yeah, well Scorsese has a very strong creative vision which is something Thelma did a dream of assisting him with getting into the finished product, and I am sure she has some influence, but Scorsese decides exactly how the endproduct turns out.
@@lordbunbury That's a pretty simplistic idea of how editing works, my friend. It's a lot more complicated than that. Especially with an editor as elite as Schoonmaker. Film is a collaborative art form. Anyone can sit there and take orders. He uses Schoonmaker exclusively because she's as imperative to his success as his vision. Films are made or broken in the editing room. Just look at the case of the original Star Wars for an example. It was Hirch, Chew and Marcia Lucas that made the film even watchable, let alone a hit (John Williams had a little something to do with it as well). Every one of Scorcese's classics would have been a different movie if Schoonmaker had not been his editor. Many of them may not have lived up to the prestige they have achieved. Scorcese is well aware of that. I'm sure he'll be the first one to admit it. Which is why he works with no one but Thelma Schoonmaker.
In film, a story is told three times; once in the script, once in the camera, and once on a Steinbeck or in Avid. The editor is telling the third story. The director gets to go out and claim it all. But those that do this for a living know the difference. Which is why they honor her for her editing as much as they honor him for his directing. If she was just executing his vision, she'd be an afterthough come awards seasont. She's not. Because we can identify her contribution to each film's success. And we'd know if she was just a pair of hands. She's a first ballot hall of famer. As is Scorcese. And they've rode each other to the top. (that didn't sound as dirty in my head lol)
Word Lifer Scorsese shoots with the editing in mind. Raging Bull, Goodfellas, all those fast cuts are in Scorsese’s mind before and during shooting. Watch or read some interviews with Thelma and she says:
“He thinks like an editor when he conceives the film. And if he is co-writing it, he thinks like an editor then, and when he is shooting, he absolutely thinks like an editor, which is why his films have such good editing in them. You can’t make great editing unless you have good footage. He thinks like an editor constantly when he is shooting. I can’t tell you what a joy it is to get dailies that are thought of by an editing mind. A lot of editors get footage from directors who don’t know how to edit and then they have to try and make it work, and it’s not easy. So it’s just a treat to have a director who thinks like an editor when he is shooting.”
And on a director taking all the credit:
“ Well, he doesn’t take all the credit; I get too much actually, because he edits all the films with me.”
Of course she is more than just a tool and because of her skill she does a great job, but you overestimate her creative input a bit. She does have input but it is always together with Scorsese and you make it out like Scorsese just shoots the thing and let Thelma have the reigns. Just watch other movies she edited like Snow Man and you see there isn’t much extraordinary creativity there. A lot of technical skill for sure.
Directors like Kubrick, Tarantino, Scorsese, Godard, Truffaut, Melville, Leone, etcetera, the auteurs, so to speak, have such a vision that an editor is not given real all out creativity on the editing.
This is such amazing interview
Very good interview
Very good questions and very well responded to / explained by Martin.
شكراً على الابلود حسام Keep up the good work
It's pretty clear that Scorsese doesn't want to be involved in movies about comic book characters, but at the same time he said good things about "Joker", its script and Phoenix.
But i guess online "critics" will keep saying that "Joker" is a bad movie, with a bad script of course.
you mean those pseudo intellectual critics, who love nothing more than to make everyone believe how smart they think they are
@@Crichjo32 Yeah! And random people too LOL
@@Crichjo32 yeah how dare they have an opinion. They think they are smart but the real smarty is crichjo32, a random guy on the internet who judges people just because they don't share the same opinion as him.
@@aakashr370 Their arguments are hypocritical, awful, amateur and pretentious. Yes, everything is an opinion. So we can't call Michael Bay a terrible director? We can't call Suicide Squad a terrible movie? It's only an issue, when people are involved? We don't judge people for having a different opinion but calling them terrible *is* an opinion, Sherlock. Stop being a White Knight and do something prductive for once.
@@balabanasireti so you just told me to do something productive without even knowing me. You don't know what my job is or what my hobbies are but may be its okay for you to judge me without even knowing me because its your opinion? Good job dude.
Wow, this is the best interview, related to this movie, I have seen. Excellent questions.
Very good interviewer 👍🏾
LEGEND!
Thank you for this wonderful wonderful imformation. Film making at it's best.
Small thing, but like how this interview is in stereo :)
Well-crafted questions.
Great Interview!
Should have way more views.
I went to an early screen on the irishman last night and its one of the best movies ive ever seen. Unreal.
I could listen to him all day 😍😍😍
Please keep creating masterpieces, Martin
For sure De Niro is in top best 10actors ever. But Pacino is, along with Brando, Day Lewis and Denzel, on another level. Amazing, amazing actor.
Looking forward to watching all 4 hrs of "the Leopard" based on Mr Scorsese's recommendation...need Sunday free to accommodate it!
I could listen to him all my life, Genius 🔥
Anybody noticed, the entire interview audio is mixed wrongly and it turned opposite... right channel gone left and vice versa...
Scorsese is really a true artist and creative force . The more I watch his movies the more I see how brilliant he is . I can’t wait to see this movie
Listening Marty from left earphone and host from right earphone🎧🎧
Because he knows we live in a society
its funny how i hear the interviewer from right ear and scoesese from left one
“The people like me need the theaters”
*releases his new film on NETFLIX*
He tried for ages for Netflix to give it a wide theatre release but Netflix wouldn’t let it.
They were the only ones willing to fund it
It’s out in selected cinemas now..
Just saw it in a bigass theatre
Not sure if it was his decision though, more likely the studio.
One of the greatest to ever do it
One of the old guards in cinema... Please keep making great films!
Not only is the stereo audio panned to the extreme, the voices are on the wrong sides of the soundstage!
I think I have a problem with my right ear. Gotta see a doc asap!
great questions
Well, that's like asking John Ford why he preferred to make a western
or Marlon Brando for that matter-I loved Joaquin Phoenix's performance in The Sisters Brothers-Underrated Western-makes a good double feature with The Assasination Of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford.
@@ryangettig274 Isn't that a recent film? I'll have watch it someday.
@@miguelvidal2335 Great Western made by a Frenchman-reunites Jake Gyllenhall&Riz Ahmed from Nightcrawler-I recommend it on all levels-based on a novel by a Canadian author!!:)-The Sisters Brothers
God of Directors
This interview is so good, but
you know how those two videos pop out at the end for people to click?
Please tone that down.
Fade the video, then key them in as they are fading, or just key them after.
It’s better not to pop image links on people who are speaking, and especially on top of the guest’s image.
Before watching this I could've sworn I've seen an Al Pacino and Martin Scorsese movie.
Must have just been an awesome dream.
Sometimes it does get confusing-BrianDePalma did early work with RobertDeNiro-Greetings&HI MOm!-I suggest screening the great doc.DePalma-on netflix now:)
The audio is 3-d!!!!! 🤯
The audio is flipped....
Excellent questions Sam. Martin Scorsese has a magnificent eye for movies.
Scorcese is the Greatest of All Time
The goat 🐐?
@Johnny Boy Kubrick made 3 or 4 really Great movies, (for me The Shining, 2001, Clockwork Orange and maybe the first half of Full Metal Jacket) but made some average and overrated dross too.
Scorcese has been doing his thing for nearly 50 years now, and though he is know for his Gangsters movies, when he has tried other things (such as Comedy, Kids (Hugo), documentaries, thrillers, religious, etc) his movies are always extremely interesting, entertaining, and great cinema.
what's up with the audio
Is it just me or is the audio switched around from left to right. Listen in earphones if you don’t get me
You're right. Thought one of my headphones was buggered
0:50
Martin channels his inner Jeff Goldblum
Kamal.and martin combo😎😎😎
I love Marty ,but I can picture him directing the joker movie With Leo Di caprio starring
talking in third person/off camera all the movie , Wolf of Wall Street kinda ,
and you know ,that kind of stuff that Martin loves to do
Thanks God todd Philips directed
melvin Stevens bruh the irony is hilarious
Todd philips joker is copy of Marty’s taxi driver and king of comedy. I don’t mean it as an insult either. He did a fantastic job!!
I also understand why you would think that as well. Cause you prob saw wolf of wall and casino goodfella movies which all share the same 80s vibe and narration. But Marty has a lot of different punches in his style.
@@Rekickit you misunderstood ,what I mean
Is about how strange the combination of DiCaprio/scorcese works
I'm sure by now, they worked together twice
for me, scorcese always keeps DiCaprio simplified
Never take him to the limits
He played safe and simple
Instead Joaquin/Todd worked on the edge basically
Scorsese looks and sounds like he belongs in the mob
@@adriangrenazi2809 good one haha
He is true legend ❤️
One of my favorite Scorsese films.
Someone forgot to pan the audio
7:10 you can tell by the look on his face that he's sick an tired of addressing this stupid issue
But we have to know about marvel!
@@andrewwashiku he's not talking about Marvel specifically, he's talking about the pain in the ass that these recycled bullshit of movies causing to cinema making in general by taking over the movie theaters and forcing them to shorten or dismissing real movies , Diseny did this shit before to Quintin Tarantino forcing themselves on a big theater which resulted to the theater refusing to show the hateful eight, just cause Diseny wanted to show , the old star wars movie so the new clueless herd of sheep get themselves prepared for the new ones
@@afroahmed3989 they're not bullshit though.
@@ayeyobossman6151 you're right they're horse shit
@@Petergonzaleztv A Steaming Pile Of Horseshit-Marlon Brando-Last Tango In Paris:)
I really wish netflix, hbo, bbc regularly keep funding scorcese's and others classic great filmmakers' projects.
The problem is. The guy is old. And his movies take a long time to be made since they're all masterpieces... Sadly. I don't see him releasing more than 2 movies before he dies or completely retires
@@masknzgamer yeah, i mean one can hope. I really welcome the streaming services because like what martin said, the superhero movies have dominated the cinema too much. I really wish amazon prime, netflix and others would give these old guards more attention. Goddamn would not that be a blessing. I dont hope much on disney, they have even messed up star wars even further. I thought that was unachievable.
God bless you and your family sir
Would still love to see Marty adapt a comic book property into a film....I think he would do great with a DC Black Label adaption of Black Mask....just look him up he is absolutely perfect for a DC Black Label
A non-MCU Wilson Fisk film. I wish Marvel would make some standalone films such as Joker.
Martin has the best non british-accent gentlemen voice
This movie feels like it will be akin to Forrest Gump with gangsters. I mean that in the American events in those eras. The lead character dabbles or is a direct result of how the events unfold. Are they true or not is the most interesting part. Can't wait to see it.
feels like my ears are functioning partially.
How the fuck do you dislike this? A legend is speaking, listen. You might just learn something.
When you put on iPad on a keyboard, Scorsese comes through the left speaker and the interviewer through the right. I don’t know if it’s Apple’s fault, but I suggest that BBC take remediative act and mix towards the centre
Hit the like button for how many times Martin says “Uh”. 🤣🤣🤣
so great
bEcauSe iTs a MarVel MoVie REeEe
The dude's "hmmm's" sound like farts on my speakers lol