I bought 3 males 4 females. 6 are babies and 1 is two years old. While they grow out Im studying and saving money for my room and tub set up. Thank you for these classes!
If anyone is reading these comments - ive been watching them for quite some time and only recently went on to their patreon - well worth it - if you like the channel it’s like the VIP club to the channel !
Another thing I ask when I'm buying is what the snake is eating. If it's a mouse-eater and it seems small for its age then it's likely not a good eater and not a good bet. I notice some people sell those on MorphMarket for an unusually low price and it's clear they're just trying to get rid of it.
Another super great video!!! You answered some questions I had on ideas with babies vs. "Proven" breeders, het females, and morphs to invest in. Thanks again Matt and Camera dude who never has anything to add lol!
When it came down to it, I just could not afford to buy prebuilt *right now*, but because I did my research(!), I know that I will eventually buy TGR. So I bought the tubs from TGR and spent about 100 bucks on wood to build a rack. It saved some money now AND later. *Loving* this series.
Love the series so far! I love what you were saying about talking to the breeders to make sure that they know what they are talking about and seeing the snakes in person, so far I've had 2 instances online where I was sold a ball python as a male and it turned out that they were female. I can't complain too much about that, but it does kinda suck when you had specific plans on what you wanted to pair them with and now I have to wait a few years to breed them instead of one year.
This was a good video. Wish this was something I realized before I started. Although like everyone else I only wanted pets, but I found myself wanting all these high end combos and figured, "I'll just make them myself" but now I have a whole bunch of males and not nearly enough females and it's hard finding females and trying to stay on my planned path
Love this series, and your channel in general. You guys always have such great information about breeding. Started following when I started thinking about dipping my toes into the breeding hobby. Not to really make a huge profit, but because I want an axanthic pied. It has always been my dream morph. But sitting at an average of $3000, not really in my budget for a pet snake. Then, at a local reptile show, I saw this beautiful VPI axanthic female hatchling. So then I started thinking "what if I made my own axanthic pied?" So glad you came out with this video. Was on the fence getting the hatchling because of the time spent having to raise her up and find a compatible male and such. And saw a proven het pied VPI axanthic adult female on morph market. But she's $1200. So I might make that jump this weekend and get that hatchling, if she's still available.
I'm starting out with a hatchlings so far I have male and female cinnamons. A female spider. A normal male. A jigsaw female. A piebald female. And an axanthic sub adult male. Love the channel you guy's keep it real
Your videos are so helpful. My question is how do I know the pastel het clown baby I buy now will be of use for breeding when it's old enough? Everything changes so much so quickly. Will I still be able to make something unique?
Good stuff! I've bought some proven breeders from Justin with great genetics that have been good.:) But I hear ya about some of the guys! Keep at it guys!!!
Awesome series. I’m doing everything you talked about and even more. I haven’t acquired my infrastructure or animals but I did purchase. I’m super excited for the next videos building the network/business side. It would be cool if you could address at what point breeding rodents becomes worthwhile.
Do you have a different link to the TGR racks? That one is an available domain and I can't find them anywhere. I like Reptile Basics, was going to do some price comparisons. Thanks!
This series is extremely informative and has been a great source for me. I've only got one pet ball python, a super Mojave, right now, but I've been wanting to breed for a while because there's some really cool stuff that I would love to have, but just can't afford. For example, GHI Mojave combos are some of the most beautiful combos to me. Standard GHI Mojave has stunning contrast, GHI Mojave hypo looks like a literal ghost snake to me, GHI Mojave clown has crazy colors and patterns. I'd love to have each of these animals but I just can't afford them, especially since I don't have a job currently. But my current dream snake is GHI Mojave hypo clown and I want to not only save myself the money of buying one outright and waiting to even find that specific combo, which I've never seen anywhere, but I also want to feel that satisfaction that I produced a snake that I think will be that amazing. I've loved your guys' videos and this series in particular. I can't wait for the next installment of it.
@@OlympusReptiles thanks I appreciate it. My snakes mean the world to me and I don't want anything bad to Happen to any of them. I'll def give that a go I've already contacted the vet they see just Really expensive.
Good vid. In response to your concern about people selling proven breeders, i can totally understand it seeming sketchy sometimes, however... .. I already know before ever breeding certain snakes in my collection that once they produce the offspring i want, they are being sold, even if they produce large numbers. For me its quality that i prioritize, not quantity. Id rather have 2 perfect examples to raise up and breed, than 8 sub par animals that dont inspire me. I dont have the space to keep every breedable adult. Only the best examples of their morph, or who helps me achieve my goals in best possible way. And i think that will only become more common. Not only to manage cost and space, but for the sake of line breeding to improve existing morphs.
I get that, but one question. If the example you are breeding is going to be sold because it isn't up to what you want as an example of the gene, why have that one in the first place?
@@OlympusReptiles The unglorious answer is simply, for a couple of my starter breeders, i had a lower budget. Also with some morphs, the supply just isnt always available. For example: I want good Candino Mahoganies to work with. Theres a male available that i can afford, but no female. However I was able to get an adult breeding ready Candino female(not a perfect one) for a price within my budget. (She had an 8 egg clutch twice so seemed like a good compromise). If I breed that nice Mahogany Candino male to the less impressive Candino female, hopefully i can make a very nice new Candino Mahogany female. If that happens, I progress my project a step forward and then no longer need that other Candino female.
Fair enough. In reading, it sounds like it comes down to a space issue. When it's a space issue (you said not enough space to keep every breed able adult), then one has to either get more space, or sell adults. That seems a lot less sketchy (out of space) them when some say just don't need her when they have tons of space. Big reason why I always recommend asking why when someone is selling. Your answer makes sense, making that type of purchase much safer.
@@OlympusReptiles ya ultimately it is a space thing. I have to weigh the pros and cons of each long term breeder and be selective about what i keep. I would definitely reveal that to whoever id sell her to, Though its also kinda accurate to say she doesnt fit my plans at the same time, and i guess people switch project focus all the time. Like if i decided to quit on Candino and switch to clown (which id never do, lol), id probably sell all those breeders to make way for more relevant stock.. even if they did a good job breeding.
No, and yes. They aren't a single gene. They have mystic, fire, pinstripe, spider. If you like those genes yes. If trying to avoid spider (and some do, but I love it) then no.
Went to petco today. Almost bought a 11 year old normal for $60 that was there for a rescue program. Stared at her for almost 20 minutes. If it wasnt for the fact that I would need to buy a whole new setup for her I would have done it.
Not a ton, but most we put back into it. Now that we are focusing on it last several years, it is decent and growing. It also grows in equity, as we are using it to pay for real estate with the reptile house
i was planning to get baby albino fem do you think its a good thing? and planning buying additional 2 fem and wait till ready to breed and get a powerhouse male. do you think this is a good thing to do for new breeders?
Okay but wait lol but what if someone was looking to just try their hand out a breeding hobby wise, and they have like pvc enclosures for their bp. Are you saying they would not breed if they were in one of those? They only breed in tubs?>
@@OlympusReptiles thanks fire clearing that up for me sir. I have a pastel female that I keep researching to see what kind of Male I want to purchase just not sure what route i want to go.
Some people prefer solid grey and some say it's a benefit for the snakes. It makes the whole tub a hide since they feel more safe that way instead of it being a clear tub.
Not sure if you have answered this in the past but, with ball python with so many different morphs, what or how do you tell what morphs are which? I being someone who is just wanting to get into my own breeding projects find it hard to tell the difference. I can tell the difference when it comes to the basic morphs like spider, pies, and albino. Take a look at something like a clown, pastel, fire or even some of the light balls like a lesser where the morphs are blended. I personally just find it hard to trust what someone says when it comes to gene identification because some are so close an when you have a big price difference between two balls that look identical. So I guess the real question is when it comes to Co Dominant Gene's what are some of the things look for I.E. pattern or colors?
You can make a good living on just breeding lucys abinos and pieds. Those are now pet style snakes. not snakes that over breeders are really looking for too much. Sell pets have goals with other big combos. but im telling you bread and butter stuff is lucy for sure and pieds. abinos are kinda cheap now.
@@OlympusReptiles exactly. It was after you posted the video of the bad clutch a few weeks ago. I get sick of these self proclaimed perfect people talking shit. The guy better be glad he was behind a keyboard. You know it makes em superman talking shit on the internet
I bought 3 males 4 females. 6 are babies and 1 is two years old. While they grow out Im studying and saving money for my room and tub set up. Thank you for these classes!
If anyone is reading these comments - ive been watching them for quite some time and only recently went on to their patreon - well worth it - if you like the channel it’s like the VIP club to the channel !
Ty!!
Love your videos I am a beginner breeder and your videos will limit a lot of beginner mistakes
I realize this is an old video but thank you so much for the information😊
Loving this series brada !
Awesome information right here!!!
I'm loving this series!
I'm starting to educate on breeding and your videos are GOLD!!!
Thank you!
Another great informative video
He’s definitely great with giving information I would definitely buy from him
Wanted to tell you thank you very much I love following you on TH-cam and keep teaching me more
Another thing I ask when I'm buying is what the snake is eating. If it's a mouse-eater and it seems small for its age then it's likely not a good eater and not a good bet. I notice some people sell those on MorphMarket for an unusually low price and it's clear they're just trying to get rid of it.
Yup
Thanks so much for making these vids. Thumbs up!
Another super great video!!! You answered some questions I had on ideas with babies vs. "Proven" breeders, het females, and morphs to invest in. Thanks again Matt and Camera dude who never has anything to add lol!
When it came down to it, I just could not afford to buy prebuilt *right now*, but because I did my research(!), I know that I will eventually buy TGR. So I bought the tubs from TGR and spent about 100 bucks on wood to build a rack. It saved some money now AND later.
*Loving* this series.
thanks for the video !
Love the series so far! I love what you were saying about talking to the breeders to make sure that they know what they are talking about and seeing the snakes in person, so far I've had 2 instances online where I was sold a ball python as a male and it turned out that they were female. I can't complain too much about that, but it does kinda suck when you had specific plans on what you wanted to pair them with and now I have to wait a few years to breed them instead of one year.
Awesome video
This was a good video. Wish this was something I realized before I started. Although like everyone else I only wanted pets, but I found myself wanting all these high end combos and figured, "I'll just make them myself" but now I have a whole bunch of males and not nearly enough females and it's hard finding females and trying to stay on my planned path
I'm the opposite I have females 😂
Love this series, and your channel in general. You guys always have such great information about breeding.
Started following when I started thinking about dipping my toes into the breeding hobby. Not to really make a huge profit, but because I want an axanthic pied. It has always been my dream morph. But sitting at an average of $3000, not really in my budget for a pet snake.
Then, at a local reptile show, I saw this beautiful VPI axanthic female hatchling. So then I started thinking "what if I made my own axanthic pied?"
So glad you came out with this video. Was on the fence getting the hatchling because of the time spent having to raise her up and find a compatible male and such. And saw a proven het pied VPI axanthic adult female on morph market. But she's $1200. So I might make that jump this weekend and get that hatchling, if she's still available.
I'm starting out with a hatchlings so far I have male and female cinnamons. A female spider. A normal male. A jigsaw female. A piebald female. And an axanthic sub adult male. Love the channel you guy's keep it real
Your videos are so helpful. My question is how do I know the pastel het clown baby I buy now will be of use for breeding when it's old enough? Everything changes so much so quickly. Will I still be able to make something unique?
Unique, maybe not. As far as will it breed? That is all a crapshoot. No way to know for sure, but most do so your odds are good
i don't have a plastic injection mold and needle but i have worked for 3 companies making stuff from plastic.
What racks do you recommend now that TGR is out of business
Good work.
Good stuff! I've bought some proven breeders from Justin with great genetics that have been good.:) But I hear ya about some of the guys! Keep at it guys!!!
Good Video.
Awesome series. I’m doing everything you talked about and even more. I haven’t acquired my infrastructure or animals but I did purchase. I’m super excited for the next videos building the network/business side. It would be cool if you could address at what point breeding rodents becomes worthwhile.
Thank you sir
Do you have a different link to the TGR racks? That one is an available domain and I can't find them anywhere. I like Reptile Basics, was going to do some price comparisons. Thanks!
They closed unfortunately
This series is extremely informative and has been a great source for me. I've only got one pet ball python, a super Mojave, right now, but I've been wanting to breed for a while because there's some really cool stuff that I would love to have, but just can't afford. For example, GHI Mojave combos are some of the most beautiful combos to me. Standard GHI Mojave has stunning contrast, GHI Mojave hypo looks like a literal ghost snake to me, GHI Mojave clown has crazy colors and patterns. I'd love to have each of these animals but I just can't afford them, especially since I don't have a job currently. But my current dream snake is GHI Mojave hypo clown and I want to not only save myself the money of buying one outright and waiting to even find that specific combo, which I've never seen anywhere, but I also want to feel that satisfaction that I produced a snake that I think will be that amazing. I've loved your guys' videos and this series in particular. I can't wait for the next installment of it.
I’m agree with you bro
Is it possible to get a rack with like 5
Totally off topic but I may have a few in my collection with a respiratory infection any suggestions on what to do outside of seeing a vet?
Add a bit of heat, like 92 hot spot. Most likely will need medication, which comes from a vet
@@OlympusReptiles thanks I appreciate it. My snakes mean the world to me and I don't want anything bad to Happen to any of them. I'll def give that a go I've already contacted the vet they see just Really expensive.
Good vid. In response to your concern about people selling proven breeders, i can totally understand it seeming sketchy sometimes, however...
.. I already know before ever breeding certain snakes in my collection that once they produce the offspring i want, they are being sold, even if they produce large numbers. For me its quality that i prioritize, not quantity. Id rather have 2 perfect examples to raise up and breed, than 8 sub par animals that dont inspire me.
I dont have the space to keep every breedable adult. Only the best examples of their morph, or who helps me achieve my goals in best possible way. And i think that will only become more common. Not only to manage cost and space, but for the sake of line breeding to improve existing morphs.
I get that, but one question. If the example you are breeding is going to be sold because it isn't up to what you want as an example of the gene, why have that one in the first place?
@@OlympusReptiles The unglorious answer is simply, for a couple of my starter breeders, i had a lower budget. Also with some morphs, the supply just isnt always available.
For example: I want good Candino Mahoganies to work with. Theres a male available that i can afford, but no female. However I was able to get an adult breeding ready Candino female(not a perfect one) for a price within my budget. (She had an 8 egg clutch twice so seemed like a good compromise). If I breed that nice Mahogany Candino male to the less impressive Candino female, hopefully i can make a very nice new Candino Mahogany female.
If that happens, I progress my project a step forward and then no longer need that other Candino female.
Fair enough. In reading, it sounds like it comes down to a space issue. When it's a space issue (you said not enough space to keep every breed able adult), then one has to either get more space, or sell adults.
That seems a lot less sketchy (out of space) them when some say just don't need her when they have tons of space. Big reason why I always recommend asking why when someone is selling.
Your answer makes sense, making that type of purchase much safer.
@@OlympusReptiles ya ultimately it is a space thing. I have to weigh the pros and cons of each long term breeder and be selective about what i keep.
I would definitely reveal that to whoever id sell her to, Though its also kinda accurate to say she doesnt fit my plans at the same time, and i guess people switch project focus all the time. Like if i decided to quit on Candino and switch to clown (which id never do, lol), id probably sell all those breeders to make way for more relevant stock.. even if they did a good job breeding.
Are mystic spinner fire morphs a good gean
No, and yes. They aren't a single gene. They have mystic, fire, pinstripe, spider. If you like those genes yes. If trying to avoid spider (and some do, but I love it) then no.
We are planning on moving out of state next year. Will that throw my breeder girls off for the season? Or do you have a definitive answer to that?
Maybe
Tonight, Matt is gonna beg the Vikings not to trade Diggs lol. No but seriously, I’m loving this series.
I hope they keep em!
I hear my eagles might be going for him. Fingers crossed
You know any websites or good sources to buy adult snakes or pythons?
I am cautious on adults
Olympus Reptiles you selling any
@@lordleatch nope
Ahhh well preciate it
Went to petco today. Almost bought a 11 year old normal for $60 that was there for a rescue program. Stared at her for almost 20 minutes. If it wasnt for the fact that I would need to buy a whole new setup for her I would have done it.
KMoneyM what’s the address for that petco I want that python
@@lordleatch maybe a little late, but it was at the Great Falls MT location.
How many different size TGR bins do you work with?
FB 10, 20, 40, and 70
Did your rack provider go under or something? The link gets marked as risk and googling them comes up with nothing.
Yes, our old sponsor is no more
if you have, then your game is fucking way up there hahahahhaha brilliant
Can you show how you clean your racks...?
Might, but it is pretty boring. Through crap out. Wash with water and anti bacterial soap. Rinse with hose. Refill
Olympus Reptiles Do you have a utility sink? It’s harder where I live in Colorado because weather... No hose in the winter...
You guys should make some true ghost combos with your anxanthic line
Trying
As this is a side project for you guys and not your primary income, how much do you generally make per year on the side vs time invested?
Not a ton, but most we put back into it. Now that we are focusing on it last several years, it is decent and growing. It also grows in equity, as we are using it to pay for real estate with the reptile house
What is that bedding you use? Looks like “eco earth”
Reptile prime
Olympus Reptiles Thanks bro!
i was planning to get baby albino fem do you think its a good thing? and planning buying additional 2 fem and wait till ready to breed and get a powerhouse male. do you think this is a good thing to do for new breeders?
Yup
Okay but wait lol but what if someone was looking to just try their hand out a breeding hobby wise, and they have like pvc enclosures for their bp. Are you saying they would not breed if they were in one of those? They only breed in tubs?>
They would breed in them. But it wouldn't be a good long term business solution. Just as a hobby, clutch or two, yes
I’m gonna breed black pastel to a black pastel I don’t care if I sell them just love what the babies are going to turn out to be. Not in for the money
Problem is, babies turn out to be kinked disasters.
I HAVE A QUESTION... Do you ever use hides in your racks?
Yes, if a snake acts like it needs it. Perfect example is our scaleless head. He has one
Would a female Pinstripe Lesser Pastel X BEL still give you 50% BEL, also what about a lesser spider x Bel 50% Bel????
Yup.
Pastel to bel is 50% bel as well isn't it?
@@michaelgallagher4962 no. Pastel x Bel will make zero bels
@@OlympusReptiles thanks fire clearing that up for me sir. I have a pastel female that I keep researching to see what kind of Male I want to purchase just not sure what route i want to go.
I know this Probably sounds Dumb and I'm New to Considering Breeding Ball Pythons. is their a Reason you don't Use Clear Tubs?
Some people prefer solid grey and some say it's a benefit for the snakes. It makes the whole tub a hide since they feel more safe that way instead of it being a clear tub.
It’s helps in not have the snakes with stress
Anyone else notice the gecko on the wall at 17:06
Lol, one of our little pranks. It is a wood carving of a tokay gecko
Olympus Reptiles 😂😂
Can't get ahold of tgr
Because they are closed for good
@@OlympusReptiles That sucks you know what happened
With TGR out of business who else would you recommend?
A lot depends on price point
They live so much better in rack system
The problem with buying from shows is that they on have juveniles or adult males. Never I have seen adult females and I understand why but.
I currently have my first pairing on their 2nd lock! Black Pastel, Mojave x Hidden Gene Woma, Yellow Belly
I'm in the same situation, good luck!
@@taylorpyles8683 Exciting, isn't it?
Not sure if you have answered this in the past but, with ball python with so many different morphs, what or how do you tell what morphs are which? I being someone who is just wanting to get into my own breeding projects find it hard to tell the difference. I can tell the difference when it comes to the basic morphs like spider, pies, and albino. Take a look at something like a clown, pastel, fire or even some of the light balls like a lesser where the morphs are blended. I personally just find it hard to trust what someone says when it comes to gene identification because some are so close an when you have a big price difference between two balls that look identical. So I guess the real question is when it comes to Co Dominant Gene's what are some of the things look for I.E. pattern or colors?
It can be difficult, and some comes with experience. Both pattern, color, some differences are small.
You can make a good living on just breeding lucys abinos and pieds. Those are now pet style snakes. not snakes that over breeders are really looking for too much. Sell pets have goals with other big combos. but im telling you bread and butter stuff is lucy for sure and pieds. abinos are kinda cheap now.
Go to lonestarreptiles and get on the waiting list if the lsr fire, it’s a new line of fire that looks like desert ghost and it is a fuckin mazing
If it looks lot desert ghost, why not get desert ghost?
Olympus Reptiles because it doesn’t have the same effect when you combo it. With pastel it’s super duper duper yellow.
Olympus Reptiles and it’s codom instead of recessive
I bought my proven breeders from nerd. We'll see how it goes but they are gorgeous ladies.
Did the go out of business?
Who?
@@OlympusReptiles The rack company you guys were with
I got in a argument with some punk in a python Facebook group that was doggin you
Lol, you know you made it when you got haters lol.
@@OlympusReptiles exactly. It was after you posted the video of the bad clutch a few weeks ago. I get sick of these self proclaimed perfect people talking shit. The guy better be glad he was behind a keyboard. You know it makes em superman talking shit on the internet
It does, but don't lose sleep over it
I would only buy adults from a reputable source. Random snakes come with consistent problems.