This should be mandatory watching for anyone with a PowerCab+. I went from complete frustration to 'Oh, man this is awesome" after watching this video. You are the man, Steve!
This was incredibly helpful to me as I was ready to give up after initial disappointment, now it works as it should with my Headrush and sounds fantastic. This video should be included with every Powercab purchase.
hi steve puhh that was the most important video to get a really much better sound for the helix powercap connection . my output on xlr was on microphone mode . now on line out mode its a much more richer sound and the loudness on stage is perfect . and its sounding much more than a analog amp than bevore !! thanxxx from axel ( germany )
Awesome video steve just ordered my power cab so your gonna be my new best friend for a while lol, its took me a month to start scratching surface on my helix , really appreciate your vids , there great brother , sending a thank you contribution
This is so much better than any Powercab vids out there. I thought I saw somewhere that Line 6 recommends not only line out but also turning the big volume knob all the way up, and then adjust the channel volume of each patch. But I can't see that it would make a difference.
Thanks so much ! That means a lot. Yeah the bottom line is that the PC needs the right amount of input signal. However you get there is really up to you and what you're comfortable with. I like using the input gain and not having to touch any of my presets
@@SteveSterlacci Heya Steve, does the Input gain not change the sound at all rather than just changing the volume? What does the input gain do exactly?
@@villidid I think of it like the guitars volume knob. It's like plugging into an amp with the volume knob barely on... it wont sound bad but wont sound as full as the proper signal
Thank you! I should be getting my PC 212+ tomorrow and I came across your video! Very grateful you took the time to do this! I feel much better setting things up.
@@SteveSterlacci Hey Steve! Unfortunately things aren't going to well. Do you mind if I pick your brain? I have PC212+ and purchased a AEB\EBU digital cable. It sounded awful so unplugged that and I used 2 XLR's out setup. I made sure it was set for LINE but when I adjust the volume the signal lights stay green and won't go to yellow or Red. I am going to search LINE 6 site and see if I could find anything I know I must be missing. Any help is really appreciated. Thank you !
@@Skiman13M I would check out my video on the FLAT modes in the PC. Make sure you have cab sims turned off in the helix when going to a speaker model. Make sure you have cab sims on when you go into FLAT mode. I would turn your big knob all the way up until you get it to the yellow
I don't see anyone talk about this in the forums ! A lot of people complain about the volume and this will absolutely solve all their issues. Thanks for checking it out !
Steve this is a great video!! Very helpful. I use this same approach running into Native as well. (getting just the right signal level to it) Awesome stuff buddy!
EVH & Gear TV Network just a tip for Helix Native: you don’t want to be just below clipping. If you look in the plug-in window, next to the input meters on the left, there is a gray bar. That is the zone you want your signal to be in, either by using your DAW input gain control, or the input trim slider in Helix Native. If you own a Helix, but regularly use a different interface with Helix Native, experiment with using Helix hardware as the interface to Helix Native, with Native’s input trim set to 0. Then play into Native through Helix (Dry guitar default channel is USB 7). That’s where you want your input signal to be on the input meters of Helix Native when using any interface, especially if later on you want to transfer those presets to Helix/HX hardware. 🤘
@@SteveSterlacci I guess I should have sprung for the plus cause my quad cortex doesn’t seem to send a strong enough signal. So far it seems like my regular PC is not gonna cut it on stage with the band 😞
Awesome man thanks for the video that totally helped👍 I’m using Helix LT with a Headrush 108 and sounds way better since I put it to line level and set gain accordingly.
Good video. I've been putting off learning how to take full advantage of PC+ for too long now. Couple questions/points: I use the L6 link, not any of the other outputs from Helix. You didn't mention it, but I am assuming you don't configure send level for that. It should already be set appropriately, right? I also don't send to FOH from the cab. I prefer to go direct out of Helix. I don't even use PC+ in some gigs. I prefer IEMs and no cab. But one band I am in has 12 performers and it's a rare local sound guy who can do a great job with that. In that case I use it as a stage monitor so I can hear what I am playing in case I need to control that. For that reason I really should avoid playing with the "big knob" as you called it. So I guess I need to tweak input level, a capability I had overlooked before now. Thing is, my current approach is to create a separate Helix patch for every song to allow for maximum tailoring of the patch to the song. As a side benefit, Helix keeps track of my setlist without a hard copy. Down side is I have had a HELL of a time volume leveling all the snapshots across all those patches. Reason I mention it is you said to use your loudest patch. In my case, that may keep changing as the song list changes between bands. But, I understand your point regardless.
Sounds like you want to use it the same way I do! Unless you are changing cabs on the PC using Helix, the aes/ebu is a waste IMO. I use it just as you mention here. Line out 1/4" and control it with the big knob. I sometimes have it, mostly dont on stage
@@SteveSterlacci I went that route because I planned to change cabs (and was considering getting 2nd PC+). I just haven't put time into figuring it out yet. I have questions. Not sure what to do with patches that already have more than 1 cab or IR block for one thing. And those blocks are quite often NOT the last block but if I switch to cab em. it will ALWAYS be effectively the last block. I'll start with a couple simple patches and dip my foot in the water.
What a great video! I was thinking about purchasing the powercab plus and a Helix XL for home use and band jams with some friends. I was just wondering what kind of hookups would I need to go from the hey check stop to the power cab? Should I do XLR to the power cab or just a guitar cable?
100% yes. Helix modeling into a tube amp has too many factors affecting tone. It will be very difficult to make it sound good without really knowing what you are doing with the Helix. I would recommend the PC all day
@@SteveSterlacci I'm torn. I kind of want to supplement PC+ with another guitar cab. I used to play through Mesa Boogie tube amps. My Helix is in the shop and I had to dig out one of my tube amps and set up a pedal board to get through a couple rehearsals. I had forgotten the sweet tone I used to get out of that amp. Part of the sound is the EV12 speaker with that 10-ton(!) magnet. I have another cab with that same speaker and I was thinking it would be nice to use that in tandem with PC+. As you noted, I don't really want to deal with the complexity of running through the actual amp, but I'd like to get SOME of that sweet sound using this EV12 cab. Not quite sure best way to go about that, though.
Steve. You say that you prefer setting the level using global settings. How do you deal with variations in patch levels across different patches? Is it best to get an 'overall' signal in the right place using your methods in this video only or should I turn up the output block in the HX or Stomp on a patch by patch basis. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Cheers.
If you're using an HX Stomp, use the channel volume of the amplifiers to match the volume outputs since it's the one parameter that doesn't affect the tone. You can definitely use the PC to level match but ultimately you have to just test out at full volume either at a rehearsal or loud backing track.. I would suggest both ! Lol
@@SteveSterlacci Thanks very much. I didn't appreciate that changing the output block on the stomp and boosting say by a few DB affected tone. I'll have to take all the gear into rehearsal rooms and crank it all up then. I'll put backing tracks through PA and play with that at gig level.
I do what works for me. May not be the norm. I send XLR from helix to FOH with the big knob controlling 1/4 only. Meaning XLR to house is getting the "max volume" and i use the 1/4 to PC to conrol my stage volume
@@SteveSterlacci Sweet deal. I have been eyeing a power cab for a while now but never pulled the trigger. Today I got a Boss Katana 100 MKII and tried the Helix with the power amp in feature. Damn, I really dig the Helix this way and has me lusting for the power cab now haha
Thanks for the video. Am I right in thinking that this is not applicable when using L6 Link? i.e. Input Gain for Input 1 and 2 does not touch the L6 Link? Also, seems the Signal indicator doesn't react to changes in level on the Helix when connected to Powercab over L6 Link? Thanks!
@@SteveSterlacci first forays into Helix and PC+ for me... yet to finish "migrating" sounds for live use from HD500x + DT25... saw your helpful tip here and wanted to ensure I was setting everything up right, but as my plan had been to continue using L6 Link with the new set up, I thought it was strange I wasn't able to replicate what you were doing - then I realised it may not even be an issue on L6 Link... right? I should say initially I don't think there's a volume issue for me (yet to test with drummer)... but I'd rather get these things right to start with than set up a load of patches "wrong" in any way... trying to get it all right first time if I can :-)
Steve Thanks for video. I don't have my Powercab yet but I am, going to get a 212 plus. Do you set your input gain settings the same way if you use the AES/EBU link cable from the Helix Floor to the Powercab.
I don't think you have the same functions for the aes connection. Unless you're changing speakers with your helix, its a bit redundant to use that way IMO. I just use LF raw and cabs in helix
Great channel Steve. Real good info. Would you recommend the 112 or 212 if weight is not a problem? Is the extra speaker needed? Looking to update my rig with a powered cab when not going straight to P.A. Thanks mate.
Steve, I have a question! When you are using the Powercab 112+ with the Helix, you don't need to have an cabinet in your signal chain do you? You just need the amp right? However, if you are doing FRFR then you do need a cabinet in your signal chain? Also can you control the powercab from the helix??? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Love your videos!!!
So can you use the line level technique to equalize your volume levels on all of your patches? Like a “global setting” for volume levels across your patches
There is unfortunately no way to level them other than to do it yourself. No single parameter can determine what the others are set to. I'd use a DAW and level using the meters
Steve within a given preset I will have several snapshots. So do I set my input gain to my rhythm snapshot that I will be in most of the time or to my slightly boosted lead snapshot? Thanks!
Thanks for the video, Steve. I'm about to get my second PowerCab 112 plus. Is there anything I need to do in the Helix itself to set up for stereo? When I run just the one powercab it sums to mono.
As long as you don't have a mono effect summing the signal to mono you should be golden just running independent left and right outs or L6 link makes the first cab left i believe
Your signal LED is on the back above your volume knob. To get the gain right, increase signal from your modeler. If its the helix you can go to the output block and bump that up to +20db. Should be more than enough range to find your sweet spot
Steve Sterlacci oh, i never realised i had the LED as well. So.. its either raise the volume on helix or use more gain from the gain block, but it doesnt matter which one is used to increase the signal?
You need to turn up either at the output block (it goes up to +20db) or set the input gain to boost the signal like I show in the video. Is it PC regular or plus ?
I know I'm late to party lol, but would both methods be able to achieve similar results from other frfr speaker brands? I own a Laney lfr112 for my helix.
I have a Pod go and just purchased the regular Powercab 112. I play at home so mostly lower bedroom volumes. Any suggestions on setting the channel or master volume in the presets themselves. I don't believe I'm getting the best sounds as some presets seem louder than others. Any help is appreciated.
Kind of in the same boat. I’m a gigging musician who upgraded to the regular Powercab recently and have gone down the rabbit hole trying to level presets between the output block on the presets and the yellow LED. I only adjust the channel volume to balance dual amps within a preset. Like the op above I am not happy with the overall sound. Feel like I’m doing something wrong.
The output situation on QC is wonky still. There are a lot of things that are vague, but I believe its technically mic level and unity gain with the volume knob maxed out using the xlr outputs. There are a lot of nerdier guys than me who figured all the output weirdness out
Hi ! The video is three years old, so not sure you'll see it. This is how I set my PC+112, BUT I realised that turning the speaker emulation up (in the preset parameters) will make the LED go to the Red area ! I thought this parameter was just affecting output, not input. Have you noticed that ? The problem is, then, that if I output the signal from the XLR, it is too loud (even if I choose a mike level) and if I lower this parameter, the input LED goes back to green. How come ? Thanks.
Are you talking about the input gain parameter or just the cabinets volume? I don't believe the parameters on the cabinet will affect input, but the global settings will
@@SteveSterlacci no, I'm talking about the preset parameters where you can set the volume of the preset. When setting it up, it has an effet on the LED. This is strange as it should only impact output !
@@SteveSterlacci Will you please have a look ? Long press the preset button, level parameter, raise it to, say, 10 dB. You'll notice that the LED now peaks 🤔
@@jeromes2240 I just picked up a PC+ today and was fiddling with those PC+ preset parameters/volumes and noticed it too changing the LED. Makes me think those preset controls are effecting the signal pre power amp but post input gain. Best bet is to do a global reset which puts these preset volumes at their defaults and then leave them alone. Manual says little about this control. My guess is those preset volumes are to compensate for differing IR volumes someone dumps into the PC.
Getting back into the Variax/Helix floor that I've been neglecting for a while - update 3.11 is encouraging. And thinking about a PC 212+. Could you use the Line6 Link to go from the Helix to the PC112+ or 212+?
Hello Steve I am using my Helix through a Spider V combo 240 watts wich has 2 x 12 cones FRFR, but I dont know why seems can not the lows punch I hear on Helix through other youtube that Helix gets on demo videos. I have no idea why ?? my Spider V combo 240 is new just got it 3 months ago. Thanks for this tutorial for Powercab
I just did some research and found that its not intended to work with helix but there are ways to bypass the amp section if you check the gear page. Seems like you probably have the amp section still engaged
Hey Steve, thanks for the demo. So are you saying that always, always always, we should set our Helix output to Line instead of Mic? So many varied opinions on this.. Mic vs. Line out. Also, does this technique you describe apply to both PC and PC+?
If you're going to a mixing desk or FOH (basically any board) , you want to set to mic level. If you're going straight to a monitor like the PC or floor wedge, you want to be line level to those and can separate that in helix global settings. And yes it applies to both but PC regular doesn't have the input gain options. The LED light is the same though
@@SteveSterlacci Thanks for the quick reply. To extend that, sometimes they give me a 1/4" plug and my choice there is either instrument or Line. Going to FOH there, would you suggest Line level?
@@JohnMaklary you can do line level with a 1/4 inch and if they say your signal is too hot, switch to instrument. I do that with my second guitarist that goes through my helix simultaneously
Hi Steve I will buy my Powercab next week, I want to ask you if I can use helix connected to Spider V 240 Head, and Spider V 240 Combo amp ??? are this last 2 options proper ? thanks for this set up tutorial !!
So if I'm connected via the L6 link(AES) instead or the XLR input, the input gains have no effect. Is there a different way of setting levels when using that input?
Steve I got the 6l link cable hooking up power cab 112+ and powercab edit loaded but I can't get either to choose diff speaker remotely from helix output patch or pc edit everything else works and i can choose on actual pcab, do you know what I may be doing wrong
I have my Helix volume pegged but I never get e yellow indicator on the Powercab. I assume this means I need to turn the master volume of the amp I am modeling up, correct? I see your method of turning up the input on the Powercab, but would that make signal to noise ratio worse? Resulting in more noise than you'd want?
I've never once had a problem with signal to noise ratio. Those who think thats a problem before trying it, should give it a shot. You either have to jack up all of your presets individually, or bring up the input gain on the unit. Try it out and see if you get noise.
But you should turn up channel volume or output block. Master will affect your gain. This also may result in too hot of a signal if you're going helix to FOH
@@SteveSterlacci Okay man, I will try it a little later today! Thanks for the response. I am still trying to get the Helix and Powercab figured out. Your videos have helped enormously. I hope you and your family have a great Thanksgiving!
For example, I cannot seem to get yellow clipping light even with my volume cranked, it stays solid green... I can't affect the gain in the regular Powercab. I don't know how to fix that!
If I’m running pedals after my Stomp, do I still need to set to line level? Or should it be instrument since it’s hitting the pedals before the PowerCab? Thanks!
@@SteveSterlacci it’s a Flint reverb and Boss looper. I don’t have a powercab (yet) but I’ll use my ears. I always have a hard time understanding the difference between line and instrument level. Thanks for the reply!
Jack instrument goes to devices that youd plug an instrument into. Like a guitar amp or distortion pedal. Line level is for plugging to speakers like FRFR or the PC
@@SteveSterlacci that’s what I figured, but what if you are plugging a guitar pedal into an FRFR? That’s technically sending an instrument signal, right? Is the only way around that to put my pedals into the effects loop of my Stomp and run my TRS cable directly from the Stomp output into the speaker?
The only thing I would add to this discussion is that you should do everything he just demonstrated except that your Helix "big knob" should always be turned all the way up and then you raise or lower the amp master volume in the helix until the light starts to flash orange.
Yes this = the Big Knob should be all the way up...always. Sure you can pull it back a tad for gigging or whatever ti have a little bit of control....but all set up must have the big knob all the way up.
I can't get the light to clip or even go yellow with hx stomp. It was soo easy with my Boss gt 10. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. I just got hx stomp upgrading from old Boss gt 10. So far boss sounds better if you can believe that. Ugh
Is your output set to line? Also, i would max out the volume knob, or totally bypass it (in global settings, set it to only control headphones). If yoh still can't, go to the output block and boost it up to 20db. Should be PLENTY to drive the pc. I have a bunch of stomp videos if you want to see my workflow and how i do things with it...
@@SteveSterlacci Thanks Steve. I just took the stomp out of the box and all the presets are really low even with the powercab and hx stomp all the way up. My output is set to line. The Boss has an output knob that easily clips the powercab at 60% volume. I'm going to give it another hour or so. I struggle with these modelers. I love the idea but it's way to complicated. Its not the stomp it's me. Some people are wizards with these things. Thanks for replying.
@@SteveSterlacci Okay i took a deep breath and calmed down. The output block at +20db made the powercap clip. I cranked it and made a preset and it sounds amazing! Thanks soo much. I'm going to read the manual. I take back what i said about the Boss. There is no comparison. Can't wait to get another powercab and run two of them.
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This should be mandatory watching for anyone with a PowerCab+. I went from complete frustration to 'Oh, man this is awesome" after watching this video. You are the man, Steve!
Thanks Mike! Glad you are up and running
This was incredibly helpful to me as I was ready to give up after initial disappointment, now it works as it should with my Headrush and sounds fantastic. This video should be included with every Powercab purchase.
Thanks Ray! I think they definitely should make a bigger deal about this process
hi steve puhh that was the most important video to get a really much better sound for the helix powercap connection . my output on xlr was on microphone mode . now on line out mode its a much more richer sound and the loudness on stage is perfect . and its sounding much more than a analog amp than bevore !! thanxxx from axel ( germany )
Awesome video steve just ordered my power cab so your gonna be my new best friend for a while lol, its took me a month to start scratching surface on my helix , really appreciate your vids , there great brother , sending a thank you contribution
Thank you so much! Means a lot
Thanks!
wow man thanks so much!
This is so much better than any Powercab vids out there. I thought I saw somewhere that Line 6 recommends not only line out but also turning the big volume knob all the way up, and then adjust the channel volume of each patch. But I can't see that it would make a difference.
Thanks so much ! That means a lot. Yeah the bottom line is that the PC needs the right amount of input signal. However you get there is really up to you and what you're comfortable with. I like using the input gain and not having to touch any of my presets
@@SteveSterlacci Heya Steve, does the Input gain not change the sound at all rather than just changing the volume? What does the input gain do exactly?
@@villidid I think of it like the guitars volume knob. It's like plugging into an amp with the volume knob barely on... it wont sound bad but wont sound as full as the proper signal
@@SteveSterlacci cool way to think of it!
@@villidid thanks ! That's the only way I know how to describe input gain... idk technical terms 😅😅😅
Thank you Steve. Good advice and I will be using your suggestions this week when I set up my 212 Plus.
Another cracking tips video Steve. Love your work.
Thanks Michael! Means a lot
Thank you! I should be getting my PC 212+ tomorrow and I came across your video! Very grateful you took the time to do this! I feel much better setting things up.
Thanks for checking it out ! Let me know how your first day goes with it !
@@SteveSterlacci Hey Steve! Unfortunately things aren't going to well. Do you mind if I pick your brain? I have PC212+ and purchased a AEB\EBU digital cable. It sounded awful so unplugged that and I used 2 XLR's out setup. I made sure it was set for LINE but when I adjust the volume the signal lights stay green and won't go to yellow or Red. I am going to search LINE 6 site and see if I could find anything I know I must be missing. Any help is really appreciated. Thank you !
@@Skiman13M I would check out my video on the FLAT modes in the PC. Make sure you have cab sims turned off in the helix when going to a speaker model. Make sure you have cab sims on when you go into FLAT mode. I would turn your big knob all the way up until you get it to the yellow
@@SteveSterlacci Thank you! I will give it a shot.
@@Skiman13M report back let me know what happens!
Thanks for this very practical, helpful video. You just get right to the point, and help people solve problems.
That's what I try for ! Glad to help
Good info. I never knew you could increase the gain in the PowerCab itself. Very handy. Thanks for sharing.
It makes a WORLD of difference ! You wont recognize your PC 😏
That was actually a really helpful lesson
Thanks! Glad to help. Hope you're digging the PC
Thanks Steve! Always enjoy your vids 👌🏻
I greatly appreciate the support!
That’s an awesome video. My PC arrives today.
Thanks! Enjoy it!
Nice vid buddy
Thanks man ! Powercab/Helix hang soon?!
Very helpful video-wish I knew that sooner!
I don't see anyone talk about this in the forums ! A lot of people complain about the volume and this will absolutely solve all their issues. Thanks for checking it out !
Steve this is a great video!! Very helpful. I use this same approach running into Native as well. (getting just the right signal level to it) Awesome stuff buddy!
EVH & Gear TV Network just a tip for Helix Native: you don’t want to be just below clipping. If you look in the plug-in window, next to the input meters on the left, there is a gray bar. That is the zone you want your signal to be in, either by using your DAW input gain control, or the input trim slider in Helix Native. If you own a Helix, but regularly use a different interface with Helix Native, experiment with using Helix hardware as the interface to Helix Native, with Native’s input trim set to 0. Then play into Native through Helix (Dry guitar default channel is USB 7). That’s where you want your input signal to be on the input meters of Helix Native when using any interface, especially if later on you want to transfer those presets to Helix/HX hardware. 🤘
Thanks Eric !
@@AndrewBonicaRR super useful tip! Thanks brother
Thanks I spent two days looking for this video I will try it for sure tonight
Glad you found it ! Hope it helps
Steve Sterlacci I got my 2x12 and I’m having trouble getting the full volume. Now I know why. Thanks again keep videos coming
@@bailey12444 I haven't gone passed half way with my 212 even on big festival stages lol you should have no problems !
@@SteveSterlacci I guess I should have sprung for the plus cause my quad cortex doesn’t seem to send a strong enough signal. So far it seems like my regular PC is not gonna cut it on stage with the band 😞
@@sugarprobe is there a way to boost signal on the QC? possibly an output block and set to line level?
We need more info like this, thanks.
Thanks Darren! I'll do my best to keep them coming
Very, very helpful. Thank you!
Glad to help!
Thanks for sharing this info. Great tips.
Any time! Glad to help
Don’t touch the big knob! Got it! Lol! Thank you for the helpful video! You rock!
YEP! THanks lol
Dude…..love your info. Been so helpful for me
Glad to help! Thanks for checking it out
Excellent video Steve
Thank you brother
Good info! Eagerly awaiting my Powercab and Helix
Awesome ! Building your presets together will be a fun project ! I wish I got mine at the same time
Cool. My Iridium never got loud enough to push it into the yellow/red
Did the input gain help?
@@SteveSterlacci yeah the input gain helps. I guess the Iridium just isn’t as loud as something like the helix.
Helix can just add up to 20db of gain if you wanted it to. Iridium I hear is great too!
Wow Steve! Great video. Do you have any suggestions with respect to guitar volume setting?
In which part of the chain?
Awesome man thanks for the video that totally helped👍 I’m using Helix LT with a Headrush 108 and sounds way better since I put it to line level and set gain accordingly.
Awesome ! Glad it helped
Is the hr 108 any good I’m thinking of getting one or would you look at others ?
You what? Was there a video on That. Im mic level into my HR112
XLR to FOH mic level and
Jack to HR112 also mic level
Thank you so much. It’s really helpful.
Thank you! Sir! makes a lot of sense....
Thanks for checking it out!
Good video. I've been putting off learning how to take full advantage of PC+ for too long now. Couple questions/points:
I use the L6 link, not any of the other outputs from Helix. You didn't mention it, but I am assuming you don't configure send level for that. It should already be set appropriately, right?
I also don't send to FOH from the cab. I prefer to go direct out of Helix. I don't even use PC+ in some gigs. I prefer IEMs and no cab. But one band I am in has 12 performers and it's a rare local sound guy who can do a great job with that. In that case I use it as a stage monitor so I can hear what I am playing in case I need to control that. For that reason I really should avoid playing with the "big knob" as you called it. So I guess I need to tweak input level, a capability I had overlooked before now.
Thing is, my current approach is to create a separate Helix patch for every song to allow for maximum tailoring of the patch to the song. As a side benefit, Helix keeps track of my setlist without a hard copy. Down side is I have had a HELL of a time volume leveling all the snapshots across all those patches. Reason I mention it is you said to use your loudest patch. In my case, that may keep changing as the song list changes between bands. But, I understand your point regardless.
Sounds like you want to use it the same way I do! Unless you are changing cabs on the PC using Helix, the aes/ebu is a waste IMO. I use it just as you mention here. Line out 1/4" and control it with the big knob. I sometimes have it, mostly dont on stage
@@SteveSterlacci I went that route because I planned to change cabs (and was considering getting 2nd PC+). I just haven't put time into figuring it out yet. I have questions. Not sure what to do with patches that already have more than 1 cab or IR block for one thing. And those blocks are quite often NOT the last block but if I switch to cab em. it will ALWAYS be effectively the last block. I'll start with a couple simple patches and dip my foot in the water.
@@johnnyvlee I would not bother then! Stick with whats working!
Helpful stuff, Steve!
Thanks Jerry!
What a great video! I was thinking about purchasing the powercab plus and a Helix XL for home use and band jams with some friends. I was just wondering what kind of hookups would I need to go from the hey check stop to the power cab? Should I do XLR to the power cab or just a guitar cable?
i just use a guitar cable with no problem. Whatever works best for ya
This is a life saver
Glad to help! Thanks for watching
Super video. Thanks so much.
Great tips mate ....
Thanks bruv 😉
Thanks for the video . Do you think pairing the line6 6 helix with power cab is better than pairing it with tube amp ?
100% yes. Helix modeling into a tube amp has too many factors affecting tone. It will be very difficult to make it sound good without really knowing what you are doing with the Helix. I would recommend the PC all day
@@SteveSterlacci I'm torn. I kind of want to supplement PC+ with another guitar cab.
I used to play through Mesa Boogie tube amps. My Helix is in the shop and I had to dig out one of my tube amps and set up a pedal board to get through a couple rehearsals. I had forgotten the sweet tone I used to get out of that amp. Part of the sound is the EV12 speaker with that 10-ton(!) magnet.
I have another cab with that same speaker and I was thinking it would be nice to use that in tandem with PC+. As you noted, I don't really want to deal with the complexity of running through the actual amp, but I'd like to get SOME of that sweet sound using this EV12 cab. Not quite sure best way to go about that, though.
Steve, I'm gonna a use my 112 + live for the first time next week. Do I need to go into a direct box out of the PC to FOH?
Nope. It will go xlr out the back
@@SteveSterlacci boom! Gracias. Appreciate you taking the time to respond. Love your channel bro.
@@GiantSFaithfuL thanks man! Any time
It would be great if it had an actual 8ohm speaker input but still model the speaker.
Like a load box?! Would be incredible. I use my Suhr RL for that same purpose
@@SteveSterlacci exactly. It would serve a 2 in 1 purpose to use as a regular cab but with IR/Speaker models built in.
Steve. You say that you prefer setting the level using global settings. How do you deal with variations in patch levels across different patches? Is it best to get an 'overall' signal in the right place using your methods in this video only or should I turn up the output block in the HX or Stomp on a patch by patch basis. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Cheers.
If you're using an HX Stomp, use the channel volume of the amplifiers to match the volume outputs since it's the one parameter that doesn't affect the tone. You can definitely use the PC to level match but ultimately you have to just test out at full volume either at a rehearsal or loud backing track.. I would suggest both ! Lol
@@SteveSterlacci Thanks very much. I didn't appreciate that changing the output block on the stomp and boosting say by a few DB affected tone. I'll have to take all the gear into rehearsal rooms and crank it all up then. I'll put backing tracks through PA and play with that at gig level.
Reading that it's recommended to keep the helix big volume knob at full blast for best signal to noise ratio?
I do what works for me. May not be the norm. I send XLR from helix to FOH with the big knob controlling 1/4 only. Meaning XLR to house is getting the "max volume" and i use the 1/4 to PC to conrol my stage volume
@@SteveSterlacci Sweet deal. I have been eyeing a power cab for a while now but never pulled the trigger. Today I got a Boss Katana 100 MKII and tried the Helix with the power amp in feature. Damn, I really dig the Helix this way and has me lusting for the power cab now haha
@David MacVicar the 100 should be totally sufficient lol i dont know if having the PC would be worth it. Plus, you have a built in backup
Thanks for the video. Am I right in thinking that this is not applicable when using L6 Link? i.e. Input Gain for Input 1 and 2 does not touch the L6 Link? Also, seems the Signal indicator doesn't react to changes in level on the Helix when connected to Powercab over L6 Link? Thanks!
You are correct. I'm trying to get them to work on that. Are you not getting enough volume out of the L6 Link compared to this method ?
@@SteveSterlacci first forays into Helix and PC+ for me... yet to finish "migrating" sounds for live use from HD500x + DT25... saw your helpful tip here and wanted to ensure I was setting everything up right, but as my plan had been to continue using L6 Link with the new set up, I thought it was strange I wasn't able to replicate what you were doing - then I realised it may not even be an issue on L6 Link... right? I should say initially I don't think there's a volume issue for me (yet to test with drummer)... but I'd rather get these things right to start with than set up a load of patches "wrong" in any way... trying to get it all right first time if I can :-)
@@drdamski5408 that's the way to do it ! L6 Link shouldn't be a problem either I don't think
Steve Sterlacci Update: the signal strength colored light does seem to be effected by the level sent by helix (over L6 Link) after all
@@drdamski5408 great ! So are you boosting from the output block ?
Can you plug a microphone to the powercab? How does it work? Does it sound clean for a singer in flat mode?
It is designed exactly for that as well. The flat modes can do it all
@@SteveSterlacci great! And connecting the mic to the return 1 input of the Helix Lt? Do you think it could work? Thanks for helping me
Steve Thanks for video. I don't have my Powercab yet but I am, going to get a 212 plus. Do you set your input gain settings the same way if you use the AES/EBU link cable from the Helix Floor to the Powercab.
I don't think you have the same functions for the aes connection. Unless you're changing speakers with your helix, its a bit redundant to use that way IMO. I just use LF raw and cabs in helix
Great channel Steve. Real good info. Would you recommend the 112 or 212 if weight is not a problem? Is the extra speaker needed? Looking to update my rig with a powered cab when not going straight to P.A. Thanks mate.
I've never passed half way on either of them. I use the 112 regularly, 212 for bigger outdoor stages. Both work great when you get it set up right 🤘
@@SteveSterlacci thanks Steve. Much appreciated.
Any time!
Does it have to be set at the flat setting ? can it be tested with a clean sound or does it have to be with some drive ?
I would suggest using your loudest sound, get it to red, dial back a bit. The mode (flat) doesnt matter it. It can be any
what if you're running digital ? The signal color will always be green I reckon?
Digital will only be affected by the preset, or input gain on the pc. Use the output block to bring the gain up
Thanks 🙏
Thanks for checking it out!
I know this is an older video but does this information also apply to the regular Power Cab 112 NOT the plus?
Yes. I dont believe you can adjust the input gain on the unit, so you'll have to bring up the line level out of your modeler
Steve, I have a question! When you are using the Powercab 112+ with the Helix, you don't need to have an cabinet in your signal chain do you? You just need the amp right? However, if you are doing FRFR then you do need a cabinet in your signal chain? Also can you control the powercab from the helix??? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Love your videos!!!
Yes to all. L6 Link will allow you to control PC from helix when 2.8 hits 🤘🤘🤘
Thanks Steve. Really love your videos thank you for your help.
@@wildelorme4409 thanks for the support ! Means a lot
So can you use the line level technique to equalize your volume levels on all of your patches? Like a “global setting” for volume levels across your patches
There is unfortunately no way to level them other than to do it yourself. No single parameter can determine what the others are set to. I'd use a DAW and level using the meters
@@SteveSterlacci thanks!
Steve within a given preset I will have several snapshots. So do I set my input gain to my rhythm snapshot that I will be in most of the time or to my slightly boosted lead snapshot? Thanks!
You use your loudest sound ! I am pretty I mention it somewhere earlier on in there
Thanks for the video, Steve. I'm about to get my second PowerCab 112 plus. Is there anything I need to do in the Helix itself to set up for stereo? When I run just the one powercab it sums to mono.
As long as you don't have a mono effect summing the signal to mono you should be golden just running independent left and right outs or L6 link makes the first cab left i believe
So for us who have the non-plus powercab, what do we do? We dont have a signal LED or global eq/input gain configs
Your signal LED is on the back above your volume knob. To get the gain right, increase signal from your modeler. If its the helix you can go to the output block and bump that up to +20db. Should be more than enough range to find your sweet spot
Steve Sterlacci oh, i never realised i had the LED as well. So.. its either raise the volume on helix or use more gain from the gain block, but it doesnt matter which one is used to increase the signal?
@@simonbilleng2748 the big volume knob and the output block should have no affect on tone 🤘🤘🤘
I have a power cab plus 112 and helix. I connect with the Link Line. What method would you use?
Hey Steve. I am using a HX Stomp with my powercab and even with the big knob all the way up I am still only in the green.
You need to turn up either at the output block (it goes up to +20db) or set the input gain to boost the signal like I show in the video. Is it PC regular or plus ?
Steve Sterlacci It’s the regular PC. Not the plus.
@@vas182 okay so try jacking the output block on your preset. It's a little circle that is all the way last in the chain
OK thanks. I’ll try that.
@@vas182 please keep me posted if it helps !
I know I'm late to party lol, but would both methods be able to achieve similar results from other frfr speaker brands? I own a Laney lfr112 for my helix.
I have no idea. If the speaker has an adjustable input, i suppose it could? Sorry I'm no help there 😅
I have a Pod go and just purchased the regular Powercab 112. I play at home so mostly lower bedroom volumes. Any suggestions on setting the channel or master volume in the presets themselves. I don't believe I'm getting the best sounds as some presets seem louder than others. Any help is appreciated.
I have a video on how to level match your presets as well. Channel volume should be used to set levels across presets
Kind of in the same boat. I’m a gigging musician who upgraded to the regular Powercab recently and have gone down the rabbit hole trying to level presets between the output block on the presets and the yellow LED. I only adjust the channel volume to balance dual amps within a preset. Like the op above I am not happy with the overall sound. Feel like I’m doing something wrong.
do you know if there is "line level" vs "mic level" setting for the quad cortex too? or is it automatically set at line level
The output situation on QC is wonky still. There are a lot of things that are vague, but I believe its technically mic level and unity gain with the volume knob maxed out using the xlr outputs. There are a lot of nerdier guys than me who figured all the output weirdness out
@@SteveSterlacci thanks for the info!
@@joeykukuramusic any time
Hi ! The video is three years old, so not sure you'll see it. This is how I set my PC+112, BUT I realised that turning the speaker emulation up (in the preset parameters) will make the LED go to the Red area ! I thought this parameter was just affecting output, not input. Have you noticed that ?
The problem is, then, that if I output the signal from the XLR, it is too loud (even if I choose a mike level) and if I lower this parameter, the input LED goes back to green.
How come ?
Thanks.
Are you talking about the input gain parameter or just the cabinets volume? I don't believe the parameters on the cabinet will affect input, but the global settings will
@@SteveSterlacci no, I'm talking about the preset parameters where you can set the volume of the preset. When setting it up, it has an effet on the LED. This is strange as it should only impact output !
@Jérôme S that's definitely odd. I wish i could be more help but I would try L6 customer support
@@SteveSterlacci Will you please have a look ? Long press the preset button, level parameter, raise it to, say, 10 dB. You'll notice that the LED now peaks 🤔
@@jeromes2240 I just picked up a PC+ today and was fiddling with those PC+ preset parameters/volumes and noticed it too changing the LED. Makes me think those preset controls are effecting the signal pre power amp but post input gain. Best bet is to do a global reset which puts these preset volumes at their defaults and then leave them alone. Manual says little about this control. My guess is those preset volumes are to compensate for differing IR volumes someone dumps into the PC.
Getting back into the Variax/Helix floor that I've been neglecting for a while - update 3.11 is encouraging. And thinking about a PC 212+. Could you use the Line6 Link to go from the Helix to the PC112+ or 212+?
have you used the powercab plus with the Quad Cortex? Really struggling to get good sound witht the QC
Yes. I use it in LF raw mode with QC cabs. You need to really send it a lot of signal, or increase the input gain on the PC
Hello Steve I am using my Helix through a Spider V combo 240 watts wich has 2 x 12 cones FRFR, but I dont know why seems can not the lows punch I hear on Helix through other youtube that Helix gets on demo videos. I have no idea why ?? my Spider V combo 240 is new just got it 3 months ago. Thanks for this tutorial for Powercab
I just did some research and found that its not intended to work with helix but there are ways to bypass the amp section if you check the gear page. Seems like you probably have the amp section still engaged
How you set up the volume in Strymon Iridium with the Power Cab 112?
I think you're out of luck with these 2 options unless you introduce something to increase volume in between
How do you do this for the regular Powercab 112 ?
Crank the level at the output of your Helix or modeler
Hey Steve, thanks for the demo. So are you saying that always, always always, we should set our Helix output to Line instead of Mic? So many varied opinions on this.. Mic vs. Line out.
Also, does this technique you describe apply to both PC and PC+?
If you're going to a mixing desk or FOH (basically any board) , you want to set to mic level. If you're going straight to a monitor like the PC or floor wedge, you want to be line level to those and can separate that in helix global settings. And yes it applies to both but PC regular doesn't have the input gain options. The LED light is the same though
@@SteveSterlacci Thanks for the quick reply. To extend that, sometimes they give me a 1/4" plug and my choice there is either instrument or Line. Going to FOH there, would you suggest Line level?
@@JohnMaklary you can do line level with a 1/4 inch and if they say your signal is too hot, switch to instrument. I do that with my second guitarist that goes through my helix simultaneously
@@SteveSterlacci Thanks pal!
Hi Steve I will buy my Powercab next week, I want to ask you if I can use helix connected to Spider V 240 Head, and Spider V 240 Combo amp ??? are this last 2 options proper ? thanks for this set up tutorial !!
Thanks for writing in! I'm sure you can integrate them together somehow but if you have helix and PC you won't need the spider in my opinion
Thank you!!! So what happens if you get up to 12db gain and still do not get yellow? (My main nob is at about 2 oclock)
The big knob maxed out is considered "unity gain" as per L6. You can increase volume at the output block if you prefer not to touch the main knob.
So if I'm connected via the L6 link(AES) instead or the XLR input, the input gains have no effect. Is there a different way of setting levels when using that input?
Output block and set to line level
Steve I got the 6l link cable hooking up power cab 112+ and powercab edit loaded but I can't get either to choose diff speaker remotely from helix output patch or pc edit everything else works and i can choose on actual pcab, do you know what I may be doing wrong
Can I connect it with my iPad to use Bias fx as my “pedalboard”?
As long as it gives a quarter inch output it should be fine 🤘
Awesome
If I can’t touch my big knob then what’s the point? I’ll see myself out 😅
Whatever you do, just wash your hands
I have my Helix volume pegged but I never get e yellow indicator on the Powercab. I assume this means I need to turn the master volume of the amp I am modeling up, correct? I see your method of turning up the input on the Powercab, but would that make signal to noise ratio worse? Resulting in more noise than you'd want?
I've never once had a problem with signal to noise ratio. Those who think thats a problem before trying it, should give it a shot. You either have to jack up all of your presets individually, or bring up the input gain on the unit. Try it out and see if you get noise.
But you should turn up channel volume or output block. Master will affect your gain. This also may result in too hot of a signal if you're going helix to FOH
@@SteveSterlacci Okay man, I will try it a little later today! Thanks for the response. I am still trying to get the Helix and Powercab figured out. Your videos have helped enormously. I hope you and your family have a great Thanksgiving!
Thanks ! You too. Don't be afraid to try things. My philosophy is always to try until it either works, or doesn't lol
How much of this is applicable to the regular Powercab? (non-Plus)
For example, I cannot seem to get yellow clipping light even with my volume cranked, it stays solid green... I can't affect the gain in the regular Powercab. I don't know how to fix that!
You have to use the output block of your helix to get you the extra gain with no change of tone. Other than that, all same
Can I use this line 6 power cab + with my Katana mk 2 head 100 watts ..??
For sure. Just use the line out
What if I am using AES? You mentioned XLR or 1/4 inch
Cant control the input gain with AES. But you can increase at the output block up to 20db which will give you the same result
If I’m running pedals after my Stomp, do I still need to set to line level? Or should it be instrument since it’s hitting the pedals before the PowerCab? Thanks!
Depends on the pedal. Try both and see what works best. Most post drive pedals should be able to handle line level, but some may break up
@@SteveSterlacci it’s a Flint reverb and Boss looper. I don’t have a powercab (yet) but I’ll use my ears. I always have a hard time understanding the difference between line and instrument level. Thanks for the reply!
Jack instrument goes to devices that youd plug an instrument into. Like a guitar amp or distortion pedal. Line level is for plugging to speakers like FRFR or the PC
@@SteveSterlacci that’s what I figured, but what if you are plugging a guitar pedal into an FRFR? That’s technically sending an instrument signal, right? Is the only way around that to put my pedals into the effects loop of my Stomp and run my TRS cable directly from the Stomp output into the speaker?
Jack the strymon can def handle line level, but yes your thinking is correct if it doesnt work post stomp
The only thing I would add to this discussion is that you should do everything he just demonstrated except that your Helix "big knob" should always be turned all the way up and then you raise or lower the amp master volume in the helix until the light starts to flash orange.
Yes this = the Big Knob should be all the way up...always. Sure you can pull it back a tad for gigging or whatever ti have a little bit of control....but all set up must have the big knob all the way up.
@@minefield17701 can you explain why? I have never heard this.
I can't get the light to clip or even go yellow with hx stomp. It was soo easy with my Boss gt 10. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. I just got hx stomp upgrading from old Boss gt 10. So far boss sounds better if you can believe that. Ugh
Is your output set to line? Also, i would max out the volume knob, or totally bypass it (in global settings, set it to only control headphones). If yoh still can't, go to the output block and boost it up to 20db. Should be PLENTY to drive the pc. I have a bunch of stomp videos if you want to see my workflow and how i do things with it...
@@SteveSterlacci Thanks Steve. I just took the stomp out of the box and all the presets are really low even with the powercab and hx stomp all the way up. My output is set to line. The Boss has an output knob that easily clips the powercab at 60% volume. I'm going to give it another hour or so. I struggle with these modelers. I love the idea but it's way to complicated. Its not the stomp it's me. Some people are wizards with these things. Thanks for replying.
@@SteveSterlacci Okay i took a deep breath and calmed down. The output block at +20db made the powercap clip. I cranked it and made a preset and it sounds amazing! Thanks soo much. I'm going to read the manual. I take back what i said about the Boss. There is no comparison. Can't wait to get another powercab and run two of them.
Excellent! Glad you figured it out..i have a bunch of free download presets if you want to check out on Line 6 customtone
I have a Boss Katana Artist mk2 that sounds like shit. Always sounds a bit flat.
Will this sound better?