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Does "Established Titles" really have legitimate authority to make someone a Lord? No, They are not recognized by the Lord Lyon King of Arms of Scotland (who is responsible for Heraldry, tracking legitimate Scottish titles (and some other stuff. “Established Titles” is a scam that will sell you a piece of paper “proclaiming” that you are a Lord/Lady of somewhere. There are a number of companies that do this. They skirt around Scottish (and British) law by not actually claiming (but implying) that this is a real landed title, similar to Baronet (the highest non-noble title in Britain). “Landed” being used loosely, as it’s probably something like 1 sq centimeter or something similar. (Someone in Kentucky was doing something similar, selling “land” and a certificate appointing the buyer as a “Kentucky Colonel”). In any case, there is no “ennoblement”, no “manor” that you become the Lord of, no distinction of any type (except being identified as a fool, as in “a fool and his money are soon parted”). You could print yourself one up on your computer for free instead of paying them however much they want. But some folks egos somehow lean them towards buying these things. It’s exactly the same as buying the “naming rights to a star”. Total bovine scatology.
@@hugogodinez2477 There is a beautiful irony here in the female leaders of The Take promoting a scam to their followers on a video called "Why the Bad Female Leader Is Everywhere"
Please cover the "Marion Effect" trope, wherein the female lead is initially presented as a badass lady who can hold her own in a fight, only to crumble as soon as the male hero is on the scene, and has to be rescued by him. Maid Marion and Marion Ravenwood could both be prime examples.
Is this like the ally trope where a enemy is badass but the second they turn good they fold? Its like silver sable she was near unstoppable in spiderman but folded the second they became allies.
Very topical, especially with the absurd criticism Finaland’s prime minister Sanna Mirella Marin is receiving… for attending a party (I’ve scoured the coverage and she wasn’t even poorly behaved, just singing and dancing with her friends). It seems our culture is all too ready to unduly criticize young female leaders.
Daenery's "break of the wheel" ideology is a show invention, that undermines her character's magic. In the books, she essentially shows a woman's potential just by virtue of being a Targaryen: Beautiful, charismatic and inspiring, yet untamable, and dangerous (Dragon)Fire. contradicting the Westerosi view of female Targaryen Rulers, whose important role in establishing the Targaryen Dynasty wasn't highlighted in Targaryen History. A she-dragon's magesty and terror is indistinguishable from that of a male dragon.
Omg thank you so much. I've read the boos and it makes me so mad how they ended her story in the show. In the tv series they removed a lot of her positive trait that she had in the boos
The line is there to clearly summarize over 19428 pages of internal and external dialogue in the book that shows us this. Just because she doesn’t directly say it, doesn’t make its meaning go against her motives, and character, in the book. Also, if the whole point was to show how strong and indistinguishable between male dragons, at least ONE of the three dragons should have been a female dragon.
@@dareisayit Not to mention the books did a better job describing her moral ambiguity. The show screwed up by painting her as some kind of Messiah when she was anything but that.
Daenerys was more of a victim of the show’s rushed writing more than anything. And with George RR Martin’s books not finished, she may come to a different ending.
The trope of the cold and ruthless female leader is misogynistic because it breaks the mould of what a woman is supposed to be according to patriarchal norms: meek, submissive and gentle. But when a woman takes on more so called "masculine" traits like ambition and ruthlessness, she is branded dangerous and evil, whereas when a male ruler shows these traits, he's considered great and praiseworthy. People often talk about how cold and ruthless female rulers from history were like Cleopatra, Elizabeth I, Catherine the Great etc. The truth is, they were women of their time and being ruthless wasn't a gendered thing, it was essential for political survival.
Thank you! I love Queen Elisabeth I ,She wasn't cruel or manipulative or cold,She was a Queen that protected her crown no matter what like all the Kings before and After that. Elisabeth's my inspiration and I also love Cleopatra and Catherine the great too,they both deserve to be remembered. None of them were evil,they were just strong and powerful.
Fictional male leaders who take on the traits of ambition and ruthlessness typically either self-destruct or alienate themselves from humanity (e.g. Godfather II). The ones who start off that way are usually portrayed as narcissists or psychopaths. For real-life male rulers, these traits have to be sublimated. Personal ambition is bad, but nationalistic ambition is good. Likewise, one can be ruthless in pursuit of the public good. At least, ambition and ruthlessness must *appear* to be wielded in the name of the people. Leaders who pursue personal power are called "tyrants".
@@francescabuonanno2333 you know the r*pe of nanking when japanese officers order soldiers to murder and r*pe women or the holocaust when adolf hitler kills jews for a political scapegoat/survival. Truly one of most epic times of history just very powerful and strong, i agree😎
This trope has been sitting on my mind for awhile. Of course, there are terrible female leaders and the political/business atmosphere creates conditions that encourage bad behavior and a lack of integrity. But I still think the prevalence trope is very telling on how we still hold women to higher standards and are subconsciously fearful/suspicious of what their leadership would bring (emotional volatility, immaturity, insanity, outbursts galore, corruption, fraudulence, self-serving ambition). I think the underlying issue is that instead of examining the difficult decisions these women make and the complexity of their positions, the rise is framed as a basic villain arc. Their bids for power are seen as frivolous, no matter what their background or motivations are. Male leadership stories are simply more varied and complex - they usually frame controversial decisions as an inevitability of a harsh, unfair world. Their sometimes brutal or inefficient actions are called into question, but still defended or forgivable/measured against their unlikely genius and creative output. In addition, there's also plenty of uncomplicated positive stories of male leadership to balance it out. I can only think of Leslie Knope as a positive female role model. Someone else also pointed out that villainous roles are also more complex and fulfilling. This might be one of the reasons why this is also being embraced - it's just a matter of timing. We're getting better female roles, but also dealing with a highly cynical cultural atmosphere.
while watching this video, I kept thinking about Jules (Anne Hathaway's character) in the Intern. She was a great leader of her company but struggled with her married life in the later part.
That's a realistic depiction honestly. Both male and female leaders struggle in their private lives. Female ones end up getting divorced time and time again and male ones settle for buying young women with their money (as being a hoe is only acceptable for men, lol). The Devil Wears Prada shows that well with Meryl Streep's and Anne Hathaway's character (Anne eventually deciding to give up her job as she DOESN'T want to end up like Meryl Streep and notices herself becoming more like her the more successful she becomes).
I see that as more of a reflection of her husband, Matt, though. Jules is a powerful woman and Matt just isn't happy with that. To me, the story frames Matt as the villian. But I get what you mean
@@migaish_ Honestly ... I kinda agree ... Tbh I wanted to see more about their story She was a good mom and honestly a good spouse Yes, she wasn't perfect ... but honestly she was good enough? As good as one can be? I don't know... Especially since she learned from her mistakes, like Matt did as well and they did the shocking thing of *communicating*, to ultimately solve the problems ... Now Anne as Andy in The Devil Wears Prada, her rise to acting like a boss at her job & her bf's toxic takes on that ... now that's a discussion
Sorry, but I don't think "The Patriarchy" is what made Margaret Thatcher the regressive, military hungry world leader that she was. Everyone has an ideology and self-agency, so let's not give terrible women these kind of "because society made us that way" excuses.
What I watched from Novara Media,a British Leftist TH-cam channel,made me think that Queen Elizabeth is nothing more but a fraud who doesn't understand her people just as much as the other British Royals who have way more wealth and privilege than the common folk do.
yeah, at that point in the video I was like "ok, let me play the world's smallest violin for Margaret" lol way out of line to try to make us sympathize with her
To explain isn't to excuse. The fact is that nobody is inherently sexist or regressive, that comes from culture, from people that are around them. That doesn't make them right or make them likeable or excusable. The fact is they defend their own interests, and we should too. And if their interests oppose ours, that's too bad, we are enemies.
Yeah i don't really get this video tbh. There's are so many great examples of awesome lady leaders in Hollywood also. Leslie Nope and Madame Secratary come right to mind, but half the explamples they pick are chatters that nobody likes or that people initially loved but once they went bad like Daenarys, everyone hated.
Imo , unfortunately, a rather weak video, because the examples you have chosen are not convincing... The given examples in "The worst female leaders on screen" try to illustrate the phenomenon, but unfortunately, these examples are not analysed in the context of the particular work, but torn out of context. If one looks at the female leaders in the context of the work as a whole, a picture emerges that calls the statements made in the video into question: The best examples of this are President Coin in Tribute to Panem and Clair Underwood in House of Cards. It is true that both characters are not portrayed in a particularly positive way, but this completely ignores the fact that the male leaders are not portrayed ANY better. On the contrary, one must even realise that the female characters are drawn refreshingly similar to the male characters. The statement that "the female leaders in these films are portrayed that way because they are women" completely ignores the message of these characters. The core theme of both characters is how people deal with power and how it affects them. And unfortunately the interpretation presented here in the video is very under-complex in this respect.
Easy answer: Because there are not enough WOMEN WRITERS in Hollywood. By role, women accounted for 17% of writers (even with 17% in 2020), 26% of executive producers (up from 21% in 2020), 32% of producers (up from 30% in 2020), 22% of editors (even with 22% in 2020), and 6% of cinematographers (even with 6% in 2020).
Was so pleased to see representation with WOC also getting things done in the video. I'm not dismissing the efforts of other women's hard work and understand all women face challenges within the patriarchy but there's a lot to be said for WOC who do not get to capitalise or benefit from the current idealised standards of beauty when trying to make a success of themselves. Overall great vid.
I think there’s definitely something to be said about the timing of The Dropout, Inventing Anna and WeCrashed all coming out at the same time and how this could affect women’s perceived trustworthiness in business going forward. And the focus on corrupt female politicians as the main villains in teen movies like Divergent, Hunger Games, The Giver, etc. are no coincidence, especially considering those all came out during or around the 2016 election cycle. I don’t really think Daenerys is a good example of a show portraying women as poor leaders across the board because Game of Thrones had just as many bad male leaders, if not more. Same goes for House of Cards, Succession, etc.
You talk about the timing of when the series or movies came out. So are you saying that the studio heads conspired with each other to release these at a certain time so that it made women look bad?
@@imafraidicantdothat.9203 This is a very childish way of viewing the topic lol. It’s not a conspiracy between production executives - it’s a noticeable trend with a likely explanation. This isn’t the first time it happened either; when women entered the workforce more and more in the 70s-80s, violent slashers depicting gratuitous violence against women and hardcore pornography began to become more mainstream. Whenever society shifts in it’s values and perceptions of itself, it’s media changes to reflect that; the amount of polling done at studios is underrated. It doesn’t surprise me we’re seeing more media that focuses on failed female leaders at the same time women are filling up more seats in university/colleges, and more women are taking on positions and power in the corporate world. This is still a patriarchy, and audience that grew up within it do not want to see or uphold competent female leaders in their entertainment.
@@Sam-iy8qm I don’t know what you’re watching but I see lots of competent women in contemporary media. I see them in positions of leadership and just standing on their own as individuals. Also women should be allowed to be just as shitty as men. In fact if you took every single film;tv show that was mentioned in this video I could find more movies with bad mail leaders that came out in the same time period. If you’d like me to make a list of media with bad male leaders in it I can do that. If you’d like me to make a list of media with positive female leaders I can do that also. (Did you imply that people liked slasher movies because women started entering the workforce? That had to be something you read somebody else say.)
@@factogicalkanya9588 Yeah, I hate the trope of female leaders failing. It should exist as leaders can be horrid and can fail regardless of sex but historically, female leaders did well for themselves. More recently, as a German: Merkel was a great leader. Sure we Germans talked smack about her and complained about her but that's what we do. We re-elected her for 16 years for a reason. Scholz (our new chancellor) is already receiving far more serious criticism than she ever did.
As a woman who had a “girl boss” from hell, I can’t sympathize. These women are so dog eat dog and will step on those under them to impress the men over them. The constant need to prove their worth is a toxic desperation that makes anyone (man or woman) a bad leader. We are all responsible for our own healing, and that responsibility triples once we are in a position of power.
I think it's important to show that women can fail as any other human being. We have flaws, just as men have. The "Mary Sue" character that's perfect and can do no wrong, sets an impossible standard for girls to follow.
Surprised why Catherine's II real-life transgressions weren't contrasted with her idealized image from the TV show in this video like it was done for other female leaders. It would've been fairer to mention that, under the girlboss-Enlightenment guise, she was quite a Daenerys-esque despot. For instance, here's nothing she didn't do to enslave and humiliate Ukrainians. Under her rule, the Russian empire completely devoured Ukraine, its people were turned into serfs, and the Cossack troops and states were disbanded and destroyed because they had the potential to rebel (some of them did) and liberate Ukrainians back in the 18th century. The strategy survived even to this days, as we see now, in the course of the Russo-Ukrainian war. It's a shame that such idealized fictional versions of Russian, albeit female-faced, tyranny exist in the first place. I guess it's just the kind of the "Russian-fairytale" / "mysterious-Russian-soul" vibe both the West and the East wanna see. Well, it's high time to stop buying it. It kinda costs us lives right now.
what costs you your lives is your support for neo-nazism and systematic murder of civilians - your own citizens - in eastern Ukraine. as for "devouring Ukraine" - ukraine didn't exist until 1918, in times of Katherine II there was nothing to devour.
@@anastasiab9506 lo and behold, the first liberator in the comments section to bite the dust! Seems you've forgotten to mention how we eat Russian children, use pigeons as a biological weapon, and, generally, are the same people as you, just gone awry. That RIA Novosti kind of stuff. Get creative for once.
I’d like to point out that a majority of characters in power are shown to be assholes. The underdog trope is a time honored classic and having them up against a sympathetic leader is extremely hard to do.
I think there are still more variety in depictions of male leaders, tou have the mad king, the dumb king, the ruthless. There's also a factor at play, it's not that uncommon for a wide variety of men finding themselves in a position to lead, especially in the old days where the son just inherets. But for a women, how would a kind women even become a ruler? You don't get a chance to become a ruler unless you are quite ruthless and power hungry, it doesn't just happen, it has to be fought for
@@lilypond5158 in very narrow stories, you have a point. In stories where rule is passed down like monarchies (and based on old sexist systems), this is true (so yes, there is more variety in kings than queens) because an incompetent/unlikeable king can just be born into it, while to have successfully claimed power themselves, a person needs some degree of competence, leaving amorality as the only reason to really root against them (because most stories do not like those currently in power). And even that is not necessarily 100% accurate (The Favourite shows a very different kind of imperfect queen, for example). However, for all more modern stories, I don’t think this gender divide really exists (at least not to the same extent). There are female business boss antagonists who got their undeserved positions due to nepotism now (like the old kings), and I don’t think there is any modern unlikeable leader trope that is only applied to men.
@@thrawncaedusl717 yes that's true, I think the difference isn't as drastic anymore in kost places now,but because society isn't really used to female leaders, they normally have to be some kind of extreme to get to that position in the first place, having a male leader is a default, if it's a female leader there has to be some special reason, needs to be more justified
@@lilypond5158 that is more to do with the fact there have been more male leaders in history and most fictional shows will have a male leader because most fictional shows take inspiration from history.
This video kind of annoys me. Over the years we’ve seen millions of male characters who are power-hungry and conniving. Yet now the media is showing women characters who are flawed, and we’re upset about that? I don’t think there’s anything wrong with showing that there are some bad female leaders in the world. Does that mean that all female leaders are bad? No. I’m glad that now we’re getting female characters that are more layered and complex than we’ve seen over the decades in the past. And that also includes seeing women who are flawed and awful.
Dosage makes the poison - do we have the same amount of _positive_ portrayals of women in power (because there is also a huge amount of men being portrayed as good rulers etc.)? No. And that's the entire point; a group of people getting portrayed as bad examples nine times out of ten is a problem. It's not about nuanced female characters, it's about the lack of positive representation overall.
It's like we're not good in power cause we're women. We're mean girls and power crazy, we don't have that many good representation of women's in power.
@@TheSleepyowlet I think they’re definitely some good portrayals of women in leadership. Having some bad examples in our current media happening now doesn’t mean that we generally have bad representation all around. The video even points to a few notable examples. I don’t mind a few bad portrayals of women in leadership because I’ve experienced that in my life, and that’s some thing that definitely happens. But we also have some great female leaders as well. I do agree that it’s about balance and that there should not be an emphasis on one over the other, but I don’t mind more complex portrayals of women
@@skipp10467 I respectfully disagree, in big popular media fictional storylines, I can’t think of any really popular female leaders who everyone praises.
Amy Sosa and Dina in superstore are good examples of female leaders with different styles. I try to think of their management techniques (managing up and down) when working.
I know you Mad Men fans are thinking about Bobbie Barrett's words here... "No one will tell you this, but you can't be a man. Don't even try. Be a woman. It's a powerful business when done correctly."
I find it baffling that you add Elizabeth Holmes to this list. She is an actual, real life bad leader and an actual bad person. She is someone who caused people pain, suffering and damages. I really don't think she belongs in a conversation which includes Danarys. It's a bit irresponsible. Other than that interesting video.
I can't claim to know their actual reasons, but it may have been because of a difference in coverage between male and female mass scammers/people like this. As in, the way they are talked about rather than the people themselves
@@dualindigo9672 Well, Theranos really is the largest Silicon Valley scam ever. There is really no one who achieved her numbers or notoriety. Nine billion dollars of value based on a lie, meeting with presidents, powerful people, praised by academic institutions. She is without a doubt in a very selected class and with very few peers. Saying she is covered too much because some other male scammers are ignored is simply not true.
@@dualindigo9672 We talk about Elizabeth homes being a female scammer because she wouldn't have reached where she did if she weren't a woman. Anyone with some knowledge of the field could have said that her product was bull shit but the media was so desperate for a female founding a top Silicon Valley tech company that they shut down any criticism of her as misogyny.
The The competence and complexity of female characters usually depends on how informed the writers were. There are exceptions, but the majority of male writers cannot write a woman.
It actually made sense, Daenerys was never interested in just sitting around ruling, she's too restless and always looking for the next big conquest. It doesn't make her a bad person just not a good ruler.
That's how her arc is going to end. The whole entire series is expect the unexpected. She would have never gotten the fairy tale ending. She has no family and can't have kids, how well could it have ended.
Daenerys was supposed to become villain/mad like her father due to her Targaryen bloodline and her own temper and experiences. But it was supposed to be gradual not just in one season or episode. The show runners really messed it up by wrapping everything in one short season.
The Take, I love what you guys are doing. Could you please do a video on this topic? The Pregnant Woman trope in the horror genre, such as: Women getting impregnated by aliens. Women turning into bloated hives for alien reproduction. A woman giving birth to a demonic child. A woman carrying a baby for an evil cult. Even men getting impregnated by an otherworldly seductress. Misogynist, sexist, rape culture, shock horror or just pushing a fear of aliens and demons? Alien vs Predator: Requiem and Slither are all levels of wrong. Don't forget about Buffy The Vampire Slayer and The X-Files. (For anyone who reads this, I would like to know your thoughts)
There are some horror stories that portray the alien/demon pregnancy as a form of empowerment. Is it empowering to have a betrayed woman turning into an alien mother, only to kill those who wronged her? This could work, like Starcraft's Sarah Kerrigan.
That scene of the red priestess giving birth to a shadow in GoT was so transparently "see, this woman uses her sexuality to control men, look what evil that brings" GoT is strangely anti-sex for being as horny as it is in general. Almost every time characters have sex its a moral failing in some way
I think is the goes back to Patriarchy that made everyone to think that women are emotional when becoming a leader. To me I don't see anything wrong with being emotional when it calls for it most of the time, because we are human beings at first point. However "emotional" that has been used a a jargon is a very used for the men who are threated if God forbid any woman take over will destroy everything, while on the contrary if male don't make sound choices and critical judgements about what it is needed for our lives, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place, so of course Women had to take bull by the horns. Now, this not to replace the fact a few women can be badly influenced by the shared use of cruelty and arrogance, but where do you think most women learned this from. MALE PATRIARCHY. Men has to take some fault from this. Although, to be a great leader, it is matter of what character you have to become as a person and not just because of gender. As aformentioned, being emotional isn't a bad thing to me. This tells me you care about the people around you aand you have shown compassion to your fellow man.
Ughhh just don't include Daenerys will you I refuse to accept the show version of her character. D&D deliberately took away all of her great qualities from the book and exegerrated all her flaws massively. Book dany and show dany are not the same(we don't know her ending in the books) and I hate how people have started using her show portrayal as an excuse to judge the one in the books.(she is literally a teen)It's fucking frustrating 😑🤦♀️
Well, in the books she is heading the same destination tho. At the end of the final book it’s clear she remembered her motto and chose “fire and blood”. But of course, we’ll have to wait and see.
@@juliacastro817 no she doesn’t follow same directions as show did. If you think that you seriously have literarily difficulties. Abd fire and blood means more than go mad and destroy everything
Dany is a ruthless tyrant in both the show and the books.The fact people like you identify with her because you crave the power fantasy of a glorious messiah simply taking out all the bad guys does not change this in the slightest.
I subscribed to this channel because it had thorough introspective views about intersectionality. This video and several others recent video of their's hav completely missed the mark.
1:37 "... hopes to break the wheel of oppression" *please see* Hills Alive, channel right here on TH-cam. Their video "Daenerys Alway Chose Violence." It is a tremendous eye-opener!‼️😲😲😮 Apparently book Daenerys was notably less sympathetic. But Hills Alive narrator / essayist is arguing that even in the show, if you watch carefully, Danny always uses violence and not always for just purposes. 😔 she's fabulous! The Lemon Tree video is not to be missed! It's thought-provoking, disturbing, tender in its insights, ultimately wrenching.
I don't think Daenerys Targaryen should be grouped in as a "bad female leader" She was a great leader, the show's writing was lazy and broke down her character in the finale
they make it obvious that it was going to happen through out the story. she was just like her father. it wouldnt have made sense and would have been a much worse ending if she just killed the lanisters and lived happily ever after with jon snow.
this "colonialism" slander is so weird because if you look at your own country's history, you might see your people have killed and colonised territories as well.
I just see it as JJ Abrams telling the world that women just don't make good Queens or leaders period because every woman he had put in charge in his show, ends up crumbling. If you guys don't see that, then who am I to not respect a man's goals? Because according to game of thrones, that's what we're here for. For boobie shots, gratuitous sex scenes and don't forget, to die when we become inconvenient or if the hero needs motivation. The media tells us that we suddenly turn into a mega crazy b**** and we deserve to be destroyed. Thanks game of thrones, it's quite inspirational. Don't be a queen... be the damsel in distress... also senseless? The whole city cheered for killing a poc... and don't forget... Blowing us a church. Yeah city was trash anyway
We don't want positive examples of real life people because eventually we find out those leaders are flawed. Also watching someone's fall is much more interesting than their rise.
I get that the pattern is the problem here, but Daenerys is just not a good example of successful women being villainized. The whole point of her character arc is that in spite of her good intentions she was still corrupted by power because that's what autocracy inevitably leads to.
Wrong conclusion derived from her storyline in show. What they did with her character and others simply makes no sence , so it’s hilarious and wrong how these videos keep trying to make sense of it
@@RealVincent1989 Plenty of people, including yours truly, guessed that Dany was going dark after reading ADWD, long before the show caught up with the books and subsequently took a nosedive in quality. If Dany's ending was a u-turn that made no sense, can you explain why so many people predicted it years ago?
Another broadly defined video where the aspirational competence of a Miranda Priestly is supposed to mask a Claire Underwood’s obvious failings and silence all questions about them. Because they are both women, so they must be identically qualified and good, not individuals with strengths and failings. Thanks, The Take!
I am not sure if I agree with this video. I can think of a lot of power hungry with no moral compass male characters. my question would be, what is the alternative, can you do a character male or female that is just a powerful overall good guy? what is the drama on that? that would probably be a support character at best. I would like to know more about that, about the female characters that are not terrible people and compare them with the male character that are not terrible people and see what percentage of the characters there are. Maybe this video is right, but I think a lot of the most interesting male characters would have the same flaws as the women in this video. For example, Scarface. I don't know, I am not fully convinced.
I think those stories are so popular also because a villain is more interesting especially when she’s successful. Everybody is so curious of how they've done it. And one of the reasons men find it so hard to accept successful women might be because of how they perceive them. Some of them cannot get over the attractiveness and the mystery of the women. So, they cannot understand that that being is just a person with a mind, like them so she can manage real life difficult roles. They assume those mysterious and beautiful, fragile creatures must be kept out of the big fights. (Of course this is not the case for all men - some truly understand the potential of women, other are just evil). Very nice topic anyhow
What bothers sometimes with this channel is that you can sometimes be stuck in an ideology and I feel like your may twist the way you present things in order to make match your narrative. The first time I felt that was when I watched your take on Midsomar. I was clearly bothered by your interpretation of of a cult killing young people in horrible ways . There was nothing refreshing about that especially when you mentioned how the boyfriend kinda deserved it and that the main character had found a community that accepted her . That was really fucked up Here, the examples that you are giving are not always relevant too. I wish you could go out of this narrative that women are always victime of their sex. Some women can be just evil just like men. We are just human ....
I could accept the Midsommar analysis for what it was because the director set out to make it a break-up movie and those are so often a little one-sided. But I do agree that The Take has gotten increasingly less interested in the message of the text and more interested in contorting the text into evidence for their own message. The attempts to reframe Cruella de Ville as a feminist icon and Harry Potter as a privileged wannabe were where I drew the line. The idea that women need to be forever held to a lesser standard of acumen and morality is incredibly offensive.
This channel has had a crystal clear ideology for a while. But in the past their takes used to be on point (When they wouldnt let their agendas get in the way).
@@Echo-mg5em It's unfair to expect women to be held to a higher standard than men. I think that's what the video is getting at. Serena Williams was slapped with a $10,000 fine for throwing her racket down while guys like John McEnroe get to be assholes as much as they want.
@@onetouchofvenus2335 McEnroe was being a whiny douche, Serena literally threatened a line judge. Those two things aren't even remotely comparable, especially concerning the integrity of the game. And for what it's worth, McEnroe by no stretch of the imagination was allowed to 'be an asshole as much as he wanted.' He was also fined plenty of times and even defaulted once due to his particularly egregious behavior in a famous match at the AO.
*Let's be real.* Daenerys snapping at the very end (out of the blue) was more *fiction* than even her fictional dragons... just really difficult to believe, even within the realms of fantasy. *Infinitely no*
A very interesting depiction of women in leadership positions is the Danish “Borgen” which is focusing on the first fictional Danish prime minister Brigitte Nyborg and the rise of a young up-and-coming reporter Katrine Fosmark. The show is exploring both their more idealistic sides in its first three seasons but also shows their character cracking under the pressure of power in its fourth season that was released in 2022. I highly recommend it to everyone who follows this channel.
Please make a video about the fact that in the media there are many examples of competition among women and reciprocal hate (mainly over trivial matters) and very few exemples of female cooperation. I mean there's plenty of movies where strong men support each other and work together while women seem to be lacking a female counterpart of the "bro code" (when in reality, women do support each other or at least have the potential to do so). Instead, we get many strong female characters who act completely alone and prove themselves better than the "average" woman, thus gaining men's respect and recognition.
I like seeing any leader who is cruel and self serving fail despite their genitalia. If anything why are we unwilling to see the woman be taken down as ruthlessly as a man would. Cersei gets to die with Jamie in her arms when she should have been tortured to death by Daeny.
I think it's because the most frequent depiction women are given of themselves in representations of their leadership, is those of women leaders who are terrible and deserve to fail. If a woman leader is depicted as successful, her success is rarely the point of the story being told about her.
because there already is a gross imbalance when it comes to which gender is depicted as being tortured, victims and ‘fallen’ and which gender is constantly depicted as hero’s, invincible, winners…especially when you consider the horror genre….
@@Thepriestessdeath really cause I see a lot more men in films being tortured and murdered and pretty much especially now any rape that is shown is a man raped
So you are ignoring the lead here. The video isn’t saying bad female leaders don’t exist. The video is saying that the culture excessively critiques female leaders to bring them down. Males are more liked once they gain power, females are less liked. You won’t see a male version of the Dany character because the point of the season 7-8 dany arc was that women are too emotional to lead. The problem is the ratio of bad female leaders-good female leaders in our stories is way out of proportion. Which ends up with us propping up incompetant men or nefarious men in the place of competant women who get criticized for nonsense.
This is kinda correct. While I prefer to work with women in different positions in productions. However, like 15 years ago when I was up-and-coming while working with advertising, I bumped up a Production Assistant that I knew to Assistant Director, for a short film. It totally got to her head. When a Camera Operator ended up late on the set (we were on a remote location, so he could initially not find where we were, she dragged him in front of her crew and ripped him to pieces with a rant that was loud enough for everyone to hear. So I dragged her from the set and firmly told her that that behavior was not allowed, since we had a long day ahead of us and that most of the cast and crew basically were working for free (it was a one-day shoot with quite many setups), I thought that it was very important that the team were in a good place. She got the gist and the shoot went smoothly, but I never worked with her on a project again. The film turned out great, though, and landed me bigger budgets to play with from there on.
I feel like there are a lot more bad male leaders in the media, and just generally bad or incompetent men. This seems to be a bad Take when you consider the generally far more benevolent treatment of women in the media as a whole.
I think the difference is that when there are bad male eaters in media, their badness isn't directly tied to their maleness. While alot of the time when we see bad female leaders depicted in media, their badness is tied directly to their femaleness.
@@emmabennett7699 I’m not sure I really see that playing out personally, though I’d definitely agree that the ways that male and female badness are shown in the media are fairly distinct if that’s how you mean? Bad men are generally portrayed as ruthless and seeing power, whereas bad women seem to be portrayed as “catty” or causing subtle social manipulation. I see each as a portrayal of the negative extremes of each, so I feel like each is connected to their gender.
The problem, imo, is they went with GRRM's original intending ending when the show had already diverged. They either shouldn't have diverged as much or created an ending that fit with the show they'd been writing since s5 - in which case Dany probably would have won.
I love Daenerys character, but her failure and downfall were not misogynistic. It was clear she was going to fail, if not go mad, if she went to Westeros in both the books and show. The moment she did, she’d be a conqueror who believed they had a right to a land they never lived on. She wouldn’t be the hero but become the very wheel she was trying to break. The only truly awful thing they did to her character was not give us enough time understand this and by doing so making it seem uncharacteristic.
@@dareisayit Agreed. The short version is that she believed her own mythology - that she was a saviour, and so had the right to do whatever needed to save people from themselves. That's psychotic behaviour. The way they did it in the show was deeply silly; it was made to look as though after years of isolation, slavery, beatings, rape, hardship etc the thing that tipped her over the edge was her nephew not wanting to sleep with her. Which was rather insulting for a demented but complex character.
@@nd9814 I don’t know if Elsa and Anna count since they’re not Disney Princesses because Disney felt Frozen could stand on its own but Moana is the chief of her village.
Only Elsa and Kida become queens in their own right. Moana, by the end of her story, has shown she has what it takes to lead her people well. The rest aren't really being prepared for any substantial leadership or authority of their own. Even Merida, ostensibly a rebel and a rule-breaker, is being prepped for marriage, not for rule. The leadership role in her kingdom will pass not into her hands, but into the hands of one of those pesky triplets (ugh, I hated them). So we can't really look to Disney for many examples of female characters as wise, proactive, and empathetic leaders. Moana comes closest, which is why she's my favorite.
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I read an article once... (by Naomi Klein perhaps I think? definitely a known feminist with a recognizable name) that argued that the Excessive Individualism that exists in many early forms of feminism can be traced back to Simone de Beauvoir and The Second Sex. She was highly influenced by her lover, Sartre. His philosophy was extremely individualistic. Side note: I actually find his whole orientation sadomasochistic--which is actually in text, in his version of existentialism there's always a subject subjugating an object. In any interaction either I get the upper hand and I become the subject and make you an object, or you get the upper hand, ypu become the subject and you make me a mere object. There's a whole book the ugliness of Star Trek that suggests that this represent that stems from his family of origin issues and artificially inflated self, regard
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Ironically, there are many international examples of women political leaders who are ethical and do work that is progressive and humanitarian. I think American society has a penchant for uplifting the wrong ppl because we focus on the dazzle and not substance.
I like how when Elon Musk has a really bad relationship with his employees and kinda mistreats them, he is applauded as being efficient or hardworking. While Nasty Gal's CEO is diminished. Misogyny at its highest peak.
It is time treating women as individuals instead of a representative of her gender, because when she eff up, it is her gender that also eff up. Be careful of what you wish for.
There was a female ruler in Game of Thrones that was represented as good. That was Sansa Stark. She learned from early mistakes and became level-headed when making decisions.
What ? Sansa ? Hell no. Both with that fucked up nonsense DD wrote. Also honestly what exactly did she do except for betraying her brother abd acting but he towards other GOT powerful female leader ?!
are you pandering for head pats? because if you check out peoples complaints about she hulk, and they are talking about the source material, the showrunner has simply repurposed her in ways that many people dont appreciate for many reasons. and, yes, a lot of it is reactionary to the culture war over media. people who have felt burned by franchises over and over again, are deeply unappreciative and even resentful of how the response from marketing and social media has painted anyone expressing criticism as racists and misogynists... when females and minorities are also complaining about how cheap and lazy these stories feel. ... so. shes not "literally taken from the comics straight to the big screen". that comment itself is not correct on several aspects. and, its just a guess, but youre probably saying this to score some points... even though you are being disingenuous with the flippant remark. i heard someone say recently "its not hard to have a civil discussion, but its easy to be rude." and i think both sides of the "woke" and "anti-sjw" show behavior that is incredibly similar to each other. the majority of both prefer to be rude. and they both get off in being rude. sorry. did i answer your question?
Because she's a shining example of how MCU has gone from making compelling characters to shoehorning "the message". She ticks off all the boxes of modern MCU storytelling. - Mary Sue character archetype, - Tries too much to compound her hardships and raise her value all at the expense of the male characters - Says she's better but was shown to be inept at controlling her emotions There are many more, but the tldr is that she's been rewritten into the toxic feminist's go-to character rather than actually following the source material. If you listened to the complaints you'd know this version of her and her comic book counterpart are leagues different. They butchered her character just like they were doing to the male heroes. There's a reason why it's called the M-SHE-U now.
The Daenerys story arc was flawed from the beginning, cause she was destined to be the clichéd terrible queen. What added insult to injury was the fact that it was botched by the show runners. So it kinda takes a problematic trope and made it WORSE. 😆
I think in post girl boss society, women should be judged on the same merit as men and hold ourselves accountable/ do our job as good as we can. We should not hide under the banner of sexism and cry victim.
Because the "Strong Female Leader" is at the top of our social hierarchy in the West, currently. Even with people perpetuating the myth of the downtrodden, oppressed modern woman. It was the same thing during the era of the "Big Business Man", where every bad guy was some corporate overlord. Part of our entertainment is poking fun at those at the top. The problem, though, seems to be people increasingly putting the cart before the horse. Entertainment FOLLOWS social trends, it isn't mean to, and indeed fails at SETTING those social trends. An alarming majority believes the latter, when reality tends to follow the former.
Oh yes... Hollywood is defently against women, Just look at movies like Charlie's Angles, Ghost Busters, The latest SWT, the hole Marvel's phase four movie and series production, The Rings of Power, WW 1982, Don't Worry Darling... I can go on until I mention over 80% of the current and future blockbuster production for the next 10 years but I believe that is not necessary.
I submit that the seeking of power requires becoming cold and conniving regardless of gender. for example Mr Fred Rogers did not seek power BECAUSE he was neither cold nor conniving. I would welcome ANY kind and benevolent leadership in any form (although Fiction is likely the ONLY place that could happen) I would still like to see it. I think the "Evil Leader" is in everything these days because hollywood keeps echoing the words "reflect the world we live in" over and over.
as im listening to the narrator discuss all the common "issues" women in power have within tv, I couldn't help but raise my eyebrow at the fact all these troublesome character traits are the very ones I see in the MEN who rule today
I am surprised you didn't mention Katharine Hepburn's role as Eleanor of Acquitane in the film version of The Lion In Winter. She was a medieval macchiavelli and a master manipulator who stopped at nothing to make sure her son, Richard was King. Peter O' Toole's Henry II was just as terrible a parent and completely unfaithful. To the townspeople, they were picture perfect and powerful rulers of their country, but when you live with them, they are full of drama...
Omg, THIS TOPIC!! I found myself repeatedly yelling out "YES! Exactly!" more times then I could count this episode. Such a good breakdown on this topic, ladies!!
What about madame secretary, Olivia Pope in Scandal, jessica pearson in suits, judi dench in Bond and others? Seems to be a one sided take. Game of thrones and house of cards had equally vengeful and emotional male leaders as well, and as for the theranos series, well there was one about Madoff as well that presented him in an equally unflattering light.
PLEASE STOP Using the term "Misogyny" when you SHOULD be saying SEXISM or SEXIST‼️ Your usage is a Blatant exaggeration. You're better than that! Be the nuanced feminists.
The first thing to consider is that having women in charge will be different, because we're different from men. And that is not terrible hahaha there have been different men in charge some good some horrible, and we have endured. We need to trust in us women and see each other as capable humans that can lead, we already do that, we just need to take our chance in public service. We'll do great or not, and that's ok, men have done and as I said, we've survived 💜💚
Despite it being about a tribe who were involved in the slave trade which they will gloss over. Just like how MLK was a philanderer. Black filmmakers other than Spike Lee and Steve McQueen are never willing to present their history honestly.
If you are going to successfully analyze this, you have to compare the female leaders to male leaders (your control group). In GoT and House of Cards, for example, the male leaders are comparably awful. I think it is simply that good leadership tends to make for a dull story.
'I think it is simply that good leadership tends to make for a dull story.' 'Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?' A good leader gets elected at the end of the show and people go nuts with fury.
“Many of the examples are, in fact, positive examples.” Redundant. Just say, “Many of the examples are, in fact, positive.” Does no one proofread? There is no need to say that the examples are examples.
and let’s talk about marvel for example, when a woman has too much power she becomes a villain, she goes insane and can’t control herself, some examples: Scarlet Witch and Moondragon.
The funny thing is that there are a lot of examples of great female rulers, who were able to improve their countries. We shouldnt judge people on the basis of sex, but their character
Daenerys in the books and in the show are different characters. In the books, Daenerys is 15-16 years old as Queen of Meereen. She is a child, meanwhile Daenerys in the show is an adult. So in the books Daenerys doesn't make perfect decisions (which is totally understandable since she is a literal child), but her heart is in the right place.
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Does "Established Titles" really have legitimate authority to make someone a Lord? No,
They are not recognized by the Lord Lyon King of Arms of Scotland (who is responsible for Heraldry, tracking legitimate Scottish titles (and some other stuff.
“Established Titles” is a scam that will sell you a piece of paper “proclaiming” that you are a Lord/Lady of somewhere. There are a number of companies that do this.
They skirt around Scottish (and British) law by not actually claiming (but implying) that this is a real landed title, similar to Baronet (the highest non-noble title in Britain). “Landed” being used loosely, as it’s probably something like 1 sq centimeter or something similar.
(Someone in Kentucky was doing something similar, selling “land” and a certificate appointing the buyer as a “Kentucky Colonel”).
In any case, there is no “ennoblement”, no “manor” that you become the Lord of, no distinction of any type (except being identified as a fool, as in “a fool and his money are soon parted”).
You could print yourself one up on your computer for free instead of paying them however much they want.
But some folks egos somehow lean them towards buying these things. It’s exactly the same as buying the “naming rights to a star”.
Total bovine scatology.
@@hugogodinez2477 There is a beautiful irony here in the female leaders of The Take promoting a scam to their followers on a video called "Why the Bad Female Leader Is Everywhere"
Please cover the "Marion Effect" trope, wherein the female lead is initially presented as a badass lady who can hold her own in a fight, only to crumble as soon as the male hero is on the scene, and has to be rescued by him. Maid Marion and Marion Ravenwood could both be prime examples.
Isn't also known as Trinity syndrome?
Who the hell makes up these names??
Oh yes please, I hate whenever this happens.
@@snakesandsticks the shogun
Is this like the ally trope where a enemy is badass but the second they turn good they fold? Its like silver sable she was near unstoppable in spiderman but folded the second they became allies.
Very topical, especially with the absurd criticism Finaland’s prime minister Sanna Mirella Marin is receiving… for attending a party (I’ve scoured the coverage and she wasn’t even poorly behaved, just singing and dancing with her friends). It seems our culture is all too ready to unduly criticize young female leaders.
Daenery's "break of the wheel" ideology is a show invention, that undermines her character's magic. In the books, she essentially shows a woman's potential just by virtue of being a Targaryen: Beautiful, charismatic and inspiring, yet untamable, and dangerous (Dragon)Fire. contradicting the Westerosi view of female Targaryen Rulers, whose important role in establishing the Targaryen Dynasty wasn't highlighted in Targaryen History. A she-dragon's magesty and terror is indistinguishable from that of a male dragon.
Only good traits are virtues. Bad traits are vices.
Omg thank you so much. I've read the boos and it makes me so mad how they ended her story in the show. In the tv series they removed a lot of her positive trait that she had in the boos
@@jffryh Sorry, my bad. I meant "by virtue of" which means " because of something".
The line is there to clearly summarize over 19428 pages of internal and external dialogue in the book that shows us this. Just because she doesn’t directly say it, doesn’t make its meaning go against her motives, and character, in the book.
Also, if the whole point was to show how strong and indistinguishable between male dragons, at least ONE of the three dragons should have been a female dragon.
@@dareisayit Not to mention the books did a better job describing her moral ambiguity.
The show screwed up by painting her as some kind of Messiah when she was anything but that.
Daenerys was more of a victim of the show’s rushed writing more than anything. And with George RR Martin’s books not finished, she may come to a different ending.
The trope of the cold and ruthless female leader is misogynistic because it breaks the mould of what a woman is supposed to be according to patriarchal norms: meek, submissive and gentle. But when a woman takes on more so called "masculine" traits like ambition and ruthlessness, she is branded dangerous and evil, whereas when a male ruler shows these traits, he's considered great and praiseworthy.
People often talk about how cold and ruthless female rulers from history were like Cleopatra, Elizabeth I, Catherine the Great etc. The truth is, they were women of their time and being ruthless wasn't a gendered thing, it was essential for political survival.
"being ruthless wasn't a gendered thing, it was essential for political survival."
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^ THIS!
Thank you! I love Queen Elisabeth I ,She wasn't cruel or manipulative or cold,She was a Queen that protected her crown no matter what like all the Kings before and After that.
Elisabeth's my inspiration and I also love Cleopatra and Catherine the great too,they both deserve to be remembered.
None of them were evil,they were just strong and powerful.
Fictional male leaders who take on the traits of ambition and ruthlessness typically either self-destruct or alienate themselves from humanity (e.g. Godfather II). The ones who start off that way are usually portrayed as narcissists or psychopaths.
For real-life male rulers, these traits have to be sublimated. Personal ambition is bad, but nationalistic ambition is good. Likewise, one can be ruthless in pursuit of the public good. At least, ambition and ruthlessness must *appear* to be wielded in the name of the people. Leaders who pursue personal power are called "tyrants".
@@francescabuonanno2333 you know the r*pe of nanking when japanese officers order soldiers to murder and r*pe women or the holocaust when adolf hitler kills jews for a political scapegoat/survival. Truly one of most epic times of history just very powerful and strong, i agree😎
@@juansmusic858 ?
This trope has been sitting on my mind for awhile. Of course, there are terrible female leaders and the political/business atmosphere creates conditions that encourage bad behavior and a lack of integrity. But I still think the prevalence trope is very telling on how we still hold women to higher standards and are subconsciously fearful/suspicious of what their leadership would bring (emotional volatility, immaturity, insanity, outbursts galore, corruption, fraudulence, self-serving ambition). I think the underlying issue is that instead of examining the difficult decisions these women make and the complexity of their positions, the rise is framed as a basic villain arc. Their bids for power are seen as frivolous, no matter what their background or motivations are.
Male leadership stories are simply more varied and complex - they usually frame controversial decisions as an inevitability of a harsh, unfair world. Their sometimes brutal or inefficient actions are called into question, but still defended or forgivable/measured against their unlikely genius and creative output. In addition, there's also plenty of uncomplicated positive stories of male leadership to balance it out. I can only think of Leslie Knope as a positive female role model.
Someone else also pointed out that villainous roles are also more complex and fulfilling. This might be one of the reasons why this is also being embraced - it's just a matter of timing. We're getting better female roles, but also dealing with a highly cynical cultural atmosphere.
while watching this video, I kept thinking about Jules (Anne Hathaway's character) in the Intern. She was a great leader of her company but struggled with her married life in the later part.
I would say the same o Thatcher, the wich. Nonetheless, Hollywood depicts them as being bad because they are women.
That's a realistic depiction honestly. Both male and female leaders struggle in their private lives. Female ones end up getting divorced time and time again and male ones settle for buying young women with their money (as being a hoe is only acceptable for men, lol). The Devil Wears Prada shows that well with Meryl Streep's and Anne Hathaway's character (Anne eventually deciding to give up her job as she DOESN'T want to end up like Meryl Streep and notices herself becoming more like her the more successful she becomes).
I see that as more of a reflection of her husband, Matt, though. Jules is a powerful woman and Matt just isn't happy with that. To me, the story frames Matt as the villian.
But I get what you mean
@@migaish_ Honestly ... I kinda agree ... Tbh I wanted to see more about their story
She was a good mom and honestly a good spouse
Yes, she wasn't perfect ... but honestly she was good enough? As good as one can be? I don't know... Especially since she learned from her mistakes, like Matt did as well and they did the shocking thing of *communicating*, to ultimately solve the problems
... Now Anne as Andy in The Devil Wears Prada, her rise to acting like a boss at her job & her bf's toxic takes on that ... now that's a discussion
A light-hearted reflection of Miranda Priestly
It's like emotions are something bad to suppress and can't make you a good leader.
... When women show it.
When guys do, it's a plus
Sorry, but I don't think "The Patriarchy" is what made Margaret Thatcher the regressive, military hungry world leader that she was. Everyone has an ideology and self-agency, so let's not give terrible women these kind of "because society made us that way" excuses.
The same way we don't want to excuse Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin,right?Both of them suffered abuse from their fathers when they were young.
What I watched from Novara Media,a British Leftist TH-cam channel,made me think that Queen Elizabeth is nothing more but a fraud who doesn't understand her people just as much as the other British Royals who have way more wealth and privilege than the common folk do.
yeah, at that point in the video I was like "ok, let me play the world's smallest violin for Margaret" lol way out of line to try to make us sympathize with her
To explain isn't to excuse. The fact is that nobody is inherently sexist or regressive, that comes from culture, from people that are around them. That doesn't make them right or make them likeable or excusable.
The fact is they defend their own interests, and we should too. And if their interests oppose ours, that's too bad, we are enemies.
Yeah this channel does that a lot, they'll stretch the boundaries of logic just to fit their narrative at times.
Literally, everyone was upset about how GoT ended, and now "We love to see Daenarys fail"?
Yeah i don't really get this video tbh. There's are so many great examples of awesome lady leaders in Hollywood also. Leslie Nope and Madame Secratary come right to mind, but half the explamples they pick are chatters that nobody likes or that people initially loved but once they went bad like Daenarys, everyone hated.
Yeah, seconded! The WRITERS loved to see Daenerys fall, but the fan backlash at every level was overwhelmingly unreceptive.
Imo , unfortunately, a rather weak video, because the examples you have chosen are not convincing... The given examples in "The worst female leaders on screen" try to illustrate the phenomenon, but unfortunately, these examples are not analysed in the context of the particular work, but torn out of context.
If one looks at the female leaders in the context of the work as a whole, a picture emerges that calls the statements made in the video into question: The best examples of this are President Coin in Tribute to Panem and Clair Underwood in House of Cards. It is true that both characters are not portrayed in a particularly positive way, but this completely ignores the fact that the male leaders are not portrayed ANY better. On the contrary, one must even realise that the female characters are drawn refreshingly similar to the male characters.
The statement that "the female leaders in these films are portrayed that way because they are women" completely ignores the message of these characters. The core theme of both characters is how people deal with power and how it affects them. And unfortunately the interpretation presented here in the video is very under-complex in this respect.
Easy answer: Because there are not enough WOMEN WRITERS in Hollywood.
By role, women accounted for 17% of writers (even with 17% in 2020), 26% of executive producers (up from 21% in 2020), 32% of producers (up from 30% in 2020), 22% of editors (even with 22% in 2020), and 6% of cinematographers (even with 6% in 2020).
Was so pleased to see representation with WOC also getting things done in the video. I'm not dismissing the efforts of other women's hard work and understand all women face challenges within the patriarchy but there's a lot to be said for WOC who do not get to capitalise or benefit from the current idealised standards of beauty when trying to make a success of themselves. Overall great vid.
I think there’s definitely something to be said about the timing of The Dropout, Inventing Anna and WeCrashed all coming out at the same time and how this could affect women’s perceived trustworthiness in business going forward. And the focus on corrupt female politicians as the main villains in teen movies like Divergent, Hunger Games, The Giver, etc. are no coincidence, especially considering those all came out during or around the 2016 election cycle. I don’t really think Daenerys is a good example of a show portraying women as poor leaders across the board because Game of Thrones had just as many bad male leaders, if not more. Same goes for House of Cards, Succession, etc.
You talk about the timing of when the series or movies came out. So are you saying that the studio heads conspired with each other to release these at a certain time so that it made women look bad?
Through Daenerys and Cersi.... people are Justifying that women are bad leaders (You may checkout all social medias trending memes of these days)
@@imafraidicantdothat.9203 This is a very childish way of viewing the topic lol. It’s not a conspiracy between production executives - it’s a noticeable trend with a likely explanation. This isn’t the first time it happened either; when women entered the workforce more and more in the 70s-80s, violent slashers depicting gratuitous violence against women and hardcore pornography began to become more mainstream. Whenever society shifts in it’s values and perceptions of itself, it’s media changes to reflect that; the amount of polling done at studios is underrated.
It doesn’t surprise me we’re seeing more media that focuses on failed female leaders at the same time women are filling up more seats in university/colleges, and more women are taking on positions and power in the corporate world. This is still a patriarchy, and audience that grew up within it do not want to see or uphold competent female leaders in their entertainment.
@@Sam-iy8qm I don’t know what you’re watching but I see lots of competent women in contemporary media. I see them in positions of leadership and just standing on their own as individuals. Also women should be allowed to be just as shitty as men. In fact if you took every single film;tv show that was mentioned in this video I could find more movies with bad mail leaders that came out in the same time period. If you’d like me to make a list of media with bad male leaders in it I can do that. If you’d like me to make a list of media with positive female leaders I can do that also. (Did you imply that people liked slasher movies because women started entering the workforce? That had to be something you read somebody else say.)
@@factogicalkanya9588 Yeah, I hate the trope of female leaders failing. It should exist as leaders can be horrid and can fail regardless of sex but historically, female leaders did well for themselves. More recently, as a German: Merkel was a great leader. Sure we Germans talked smack about her and complained about her but that's what we do. We re-elected her for 16 years for a reason. Scholz (our new chancellor) is already receiving far more serious criticism than she ever did.
Someone's gender doesn't matter to me. If you're a bad person who's done horrible things, we are all going to call it out!
As a woman who had a “girl boss” from hell, I can’t sympathize. These women are so dog eat dog and will step on those under them to impress the men over them. The constant need to prove their worth is a toxic desperation that makes anyone (man or woman) a bad leader. We are all responsible for our own healing, and that responsibility triples once we are in a position of power.
I think it's important to show that women can fail as any other human being. We have flaws, just as men have. The "Mary Sue" character that's perfect and can do no wrong, sets an impossible standard for girls to follow.
Surprised why Catherine's II real-life transgressions weren't contrasted with her idealized image from the TV show in this video like it was done for other female leaders. It would've been fairer to mention that, under the girlboss-Enlightenment guise, she was quite a Daenerys-esque despot. For instance, here's nothing she didn't do to enslave and humiliate Ukrainians. Under her rule, the Russian empire completely devoured Ukraine, its people were turned into serfs, and the Cossack troops and states were disbanded and destroyed because they had the potential to rebel (some of them did) and liberate Ukrainians back in the 18th century.
The strategy survived even to this days, as we see now, in the course of the Russo-Ukrainian war.
It's a shame that such idealized fictional versions of Russian, albeit female-faced, tyranny exist in the first place. I guess it's just the kind of the "Russian-fairytale" / "mysterious-Russian-soul" vibe both the West and the East wanna see. Well, it's high time to stop buying it. It kinda costs us lives right now.
what costs you your lives is your support for neo-nazism and systematic murder of civilians - your own citizens - in eastern Ukraine. as for "devouring Ukraine" - ukraine didn't exist until 1918, in times of Katherine II there was nothing to devour.
@@anastasiab9506 lo and behold, the first liberator in the comments section to bite the dust! Seems you've forgotten to mention how we eat Russian children, use pigeons as a biological weapon, and, generally, are the same people as you, just gone awry. That RIA Novosti kind of stuff. Get creative for once.
Catherine was German though.
@@texasred2702 she was, which is ironic in and of itself. That doesn't justify her actions though.
I’d like to point out that a majority of characters in power are shown to be assholes. The underdog trope is a time honored classic and having them up against a sympathetic leader is extremely hard to do.
I think there are still more variety in depictions of male leaders, tou have the mad king, the dumb king, the ruthless.
There's also a factor at play, it's not that uncommon for a wide variety of men finding themselves in a position to lead, especially in the old days where the son just inherets.
But for a women, how would a kind women even become a ruler?
You don't get a chance to become a ruler unless you are quite ruthless and power hungry, it doesn't just happen, it has to be fought for
@@lilypond5158 in very narrow stories, you have a point. In stories where rule is passed down like monarchies (and based on old sexist systems), this is true (so yes, there is more variety in kings than queens) because an incompetent/unlikeable king can just be born into it, while to have successfully claimed power themselves, a person needs some degree of competence, leaving amorality as the only reason to really root against them (because most stories do not like those currently in power). And even that is not necessarily 100% accurate (The Favourite shows a very different kind of imperfect queen, for example). However, for all more modern stories, I don’t think this gender divide really exists (at least not to the same extent). There are female business boss antagonists who got their undeserved positions due to nepotism now (like the old kings), and I don’t think there is any modern unlikeable leader trope that is only applied to men.
@@thrawncaedusl717 yes that's true, I think the difference isn't as drastic anymore in kost places now,but because society isn't really used to female leaders, they normally have to be some kind of extreme to get to that position in the first place, having a male leader is a default, if it's a female leader there has to be some special reason, needs to be more justified
@@lilypond5158 that is more to do with the fact there have been more male leaders in history and most fictional shows will have a male leader because most fictional shows take inspiration from history.
@@Silverswitch1 yes, but I was mainly talking about the result in fiction, reality can be hard to change but fiction can easily be more imaginative
This video kind of annoys me. Over the years we’ve seen millions of male characters who are power-hungry and conniving. Yet now the media is showing women characters who are flawed, and we’re upset about that? I don’t think there’s anything wrong with showing that there are some bad female leaders in the world. Does that mean that all female leaders are bad? No. I’m glad that now we’re getting female characters that are more layered and complex than we’ve seen over the decades in the past. And that also includes seeing women who are flawed and awful.
Dosage makes the poison - do we have the same amount of _positive_ portrayals of women in power (because there is also a huge amount of men being portrayed as good rulers etc.)? No. And that's the entire point; a group of people getting portrayed as bad examples nine times out of ten is a problem. It's not about nuanced female characters, it's about the lack of positive representation overall.
It's like we're not good in power cause we're women. We're mean girls and power crazy, we don't have that many good representation of women's in power.
Yes, like they omited Laura Roslin, Chrisjen Avasarala, world leaders in their respective fictional universes
@@TheSleepyowlet I think they’re definitely some good portrayals of women in leadership. Having some bad examples in our current media happening now doesn’t mean that we generally have bad representation all around. The video even points to a few notable examples. I don’t mind a few bad portrayals of women in leadership because I’ve experienced that in my life, and that’s some thing that definitely happens. But we also have some great female leaders as well. I do agree that it’s about balance and that there should not be an emphasis on one over the other, but I don’t mind more complex portrayals of women
@@skipp10467 I respectfully disagree, in big popular media fictional storylines, I can’t think of any really popular female leaders who everyone praises.
Amy Sosa and Dina in superstore are good examples of female leaders with different styles. I try to think of their management techniques (managing up and down) when working.
I know you Mad Men fans are thinking about Bobbie Barrett's words here... "No one will tell you this, but you can't be a man. Don't even try. Be a woman. It's a powerful business when done correctly."
I find it baffling that you add Elizabeth Holmes to this list. She is an actual, real life bad leader and an actual bad person. She is someone who caused people pain, suffering and damages.
I really don't think she belongs in a conversation which includes Danarys. It's a bit irresponsible.
Other than that interesting video.
I can't claim to know their actual reasons, but it may have been because of a difference in coverage between male and female mass scammers/people like this.
As in, the way they are talked about rather than the people themselves
bad leader implies she was runing a real business. she was not, it was big con. calling heer a failing busines is way too flatering
@@dualindigo9672 Well, Theranos really is the largest Silicon Valley scam ever.
There is really no one who achieved her numbers or notoriety. Nine billion dollars of value based on a lie, meeting with presidents, powerful people, praised by academic institutions.
She is without a doubt in a very selected class and with very few peers. Saying she is covered too much because some other male scammers are ignored is simply not true.
the take will never say anything bad about women
@@dualindigo9672 We talk about Elizabeth homes being a female scammer because she wouldn't have reached where she did if she weren't a woman. Anyone with some knowledge of the field could have said that her product was bull shit but the media was so desperate for a female founding a top Silicon Valley tech company that they shut down any criticism of her as misogyny.
Better Call Saul finale analysis? You guys make some of the best BB and BCS videos on youtube.
Ah yes, that's why I subscribed. I was wondering why this nonsense kept showing up in my feed
The The competence and complexity of female characters usually depends on how informed the writers were. There are exceptions, but the majority of male writers cannot write a woman.
D&D botched Daenerys' story arc so badly. It was a completely nonsensical bootheel turn.
let's not pretend that it wasn't GRRM's endgame all along. D&D would've never turned Dany bad if GRRM didn't told them her ending.
It actually made sense, Daenerys was never interested in just sitting around ruling, she's too restless and always looking for the next big conquest. It doesn't make her a bad person just not a good ruler.
That's how her arc is going to end. The whole entire series is expect the unexpected. She would have never gotten the fairy tale ending. She has no family and can't have kids, how well could it have ended.
And still, to this day “The Take” accepted this nonsense😡
Daenerys was supposed to become villain/mad like her father due to her Targaryen bloodline and her own temper and experiences. But it was supposed to be gradual not just in one season or episode. The show runners really messed it up by wrapping everything in one short season.
The Take, I love what you guys are doing. Could you please do a video on this topic?
The Pregnant Woman trope in the horror genre, such as:
Women getting impregnated by aliens.
Women turning into bloated hives for alien reproduction.
A woman giving birth to a demonic child.
A woman carrying a baby for an evil cult.
Even men getting impregnated by an otherworldly seductress.
Misogynist, sexist, rape culture, shock horror or just pushing a fear of aliens and demons?
Alien vs Predator: Requiem and Slither are all levels of wrong. Don't forget about Buffy The Vampire Slayer and The X-Files.
(For anyone who reads this, I would like to know your thoughts)
There are some horror stories that portray the alien/demon pregnancy as a form of empowerment.
Is it empowering to have a betrayed woman turning into an alien mother, only to kill those who wronged her?
This could work, like Starcraft's Sarah Kerrigan.
The monstrous - feminine by barbara creed is a great analysis of this topic. and rosemarys’s baby is another example
That scene of the red priestess giving birth to a shadow in GoT was so transparently "see, this woman uses her sexuality to control men, look what evil that brings"
GoT is strangely anti-sex for being as horny as it is in general. Almost every time characters have sex its a moral failing in some way
It is horror and the best horror are those that push the line
This is a very interesting topic
Hollywood should go in a Olga of Kiev vibe for the next years.
I think is the goes back to Patriarchy that made everyone to think that women are emotional when becoming a leader. To me I don't see anything wrong with being emotional when it calls for it most of the time, because we are human beings at first point. However "emotional" that has been used a a jargon is a very used for the men who are threated if God forbid any woman take over will destroy everything, while on the contrary if male don't make sound choices and critical judgements about what it is needed for our lives, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place, so of course Women had to take bull by the horns. Now, this not to replace the fact a few women can be badly influenced by the shared use of cruelty and arrogance, but where do you think most women learned this from. MALE PATRIARCHY. Men has to take some fault from this. Although, to be a great leader, it is matter of what character you have to become as a person and not just because of gender. As aformentioned, being emotional isn't a bad thing to me. This tells me you care about the people around you aand you have shown compassion to your fellow man.
Ughhh just don't include Daenerys will you I refuse to accept the show version of her character. D&D deliberately took away all of her great qualities from the book and exegerrated all her flaws massively. Book dany and show dany are not the same(we don't know her ending in the books) and I hate how people have started using her show portrayal as an excuse to judge the one in the books.(she is literally a teen)It's fucking frustrating 😑🤦♀️
Well, in the books she is heading the same destination tho. At the end of the final book it’s clear she remembered her motto and chose “fire and blood”. But of course, we’ll have to wait and see.
A teen with fire breathing dragons and an unquestioningly loyal army to do her bidding
@@juliacastro817 no she doesn’t follow same directions as show did. If you think that you seriously have literarily difficulties.
Abd fire and blood means more than go mad and destroy everything
Dany is a ruthless tyrant in both the show and the books.The fact people like you identify with her because you crave the power fantasy of a glorious messiah simply taking out all the bad guys does not change this in the slightest.
I subscribed to this channel because it had thorough introspective views about intersectionality. This video and several others recent video of their's hav completely missed the mark.
The Take's essay on Cersei (vs. Danny) does it justice unlike the description provided here.
1:37 "... hopes to break the wheel of oppression" *please see* Hills Alive, channel right here on TH-cam. Their video "Daenerys Alway Chose Violence." It is a tremendous eye-opener!‼️😲😲😮
Apparently book Daenerys was notably less sympathetic.
But Hills Alive narrator / essayist is arguing that even in the show, if you watch carefully, Danny always uses violence and not always for just purposes.
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she's fabulous! The Lemon Tree video is not to be missed! It's thought-provoking, disturbing, tender in its insights, ultimately wrenching.
I think is more Fun to see flawed outright horribe people just screwing everything than a good person Just being nice to everyone
Queen Elizabeth had genocide committed against the Natives Americans in the 60 and early 70's of Canada use a better example
I don't think Daenerys Targaryen should be grouped in as a "bad female leader"
She was a great leader, the show's writing was lazy and broke down her character in the finale
Yes the showrunners really screwed up her character in the later seasons still pissed off about that
She was a great leader of an army, that's not the same as leading a nation.
Weird bias against female leads
I'm still upset about Daenerys. Adding QE2 as an admirable leader is hilarious. Laughs in colonialism
they make it obvious that it was going to happen through out the story. she was just like her father. it wouldnt have made sense and would have been a much worse ending if she just killed the lanisters and lived happily ever after with jon snow.
@@smittylikesto face it man, they botched it. Even then, it was a clichéd outcome that they botched. 🤷🏾♂️
this "colonialism" slander is so weird because if you look at your own country's history, you might see your people have killed and colonised territories as well.
I just see it as JJ Abrams telling the world that women just don't make good Queens or leaders period because every woman he had put in charge in his show, ends up crumbling. If you guys don't see that, then who am I to not respect a man's goals? Because according to game of thrones, that's what we're here for. For boobie shots, gratuitous sex scenes and don't forget, to die when we become inconvenient or if the hero needs motivation. The media tells us that we suddenly turn into a mega crazy b**** and we deserve to be destroyed. Thanks game of thrones, it's quite inspirational. Don't be a queen... be the damsel in distress... also senseless? The whole city cheered for killing a poc... and don't forget... Blowing us a church. Yeah city was trash anyway
@@agnessofiacastrocarvalho774 She became Queen in the 50s. Long after colonialism, you demented lunatic.
We don't want positive examples of real life people because eventually we find out those leaders are flawed.
Also watching someone's fall is much more interesting than their rise.
I get that the pattern is the problem here, but Daenerys is just not a good example of successful women being villainized. The whole point of her character arc is that in spite of her good intentions she was still corrupted by power because that's what autocracy inevitably leads to.
"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Wrong conclusion derived from her storyline in show. What they did with her character and others simply makes no sence , so it’s hilarious and wrong how these videos keep trying to make sense of it
@@RealVincent1989 Plenty of people, including yours truly, guessed that Dany was going dark after reading ADWD, long before the show caught up with the books and subsequently took a nosedive in quality. If Dany's ending was a u-turn that made no sense, can you explain why so many people predicted it years ago?
Another broadly defined video where the aspirational competence of a Miranda Priestly is supposed to mask a Claire Underwood’s obvious failings and silence all questions about them. Because they are both women, so they must be identically qualified and good, not individuals with strengths and failings. Thanks, The Take!
*Laughs in basically every Shakespeare play*
I am not sure if I agree with this video. I can think of a lot of power hungry with no moral compass male characters. my question would be, what is the alternative, can you do a character male or female that is just a powerful overall good guy? what is the drama on that? that would probably be a support character at best. I would like to know more about that, about the female characters that are not terrible people and compare them with the male character that are not terrible people and see what percentage of the characters there are. Maybe this video is right, but I think a lot of the most interesting male characters would have the same flaws as the women in this video. For example, Scarface. I don't know, I am not fully convinced.
I think those stories are so popular also because a villain is more interesting especially when she’s successful. Everybody is so curious of how they've done it. And one of the reasons men find it so hard to accept successful women might be because of how they perceive them. Some of them cannot get over the attractiveness and the mystery of the women. So, they cannot understand that that being is just a person with a mind, like them so she can manage real life difficult roles. They assume those mysterious and beautiful, fragile creatures must be kept out of the big fights. (Of course this is not the case for all men - some truly understand the potential of women, other are just evil). Very nice topic anyhow
What bothers sometimes with this channel is that you can sometimes be stuck in an ideology and I feel like your may twist the way you present things in order to make match your narrative. The first time I felt that was when I watched your take on Midsomar. I was clearly bothered by your interpretation of of a cult killing young people in horrible ways . There was nothing refreshing about that especially when you mentioned how the boyfriend kinda deserved it and that the main character had found a community that accepted her . That was really fucked up
Here, the examples that you are giving are not always relevant too.
I wish you could go out of this narrative that women are always victime of their sex. Some women can be just evil just like men. We are just human ....
I could accept the Midsommar analysis for what it was because the director set out to make it a break-up movie and those are so often a little one-sided. But I do agree that The Take has gotten increasingly less interested in the message of the text and more interested in contorting the text into evidence for their own message. The attempts to reframe Cruella de Ville as a feminist icon and Harry Potter as a privileged wannabe were where I drew the line. The idea that women need to be forever held to a lesser standard of acumen and morality is incredibly offensive.
This channel has had a crystal clear ideology for a while. But in the past their takes used to be on point (When they wouldnt let their agendas get in the way).
@@Echo-mg5em It's unfair to expect women to be held to a higher standard than men. I think that's what the video is getting at. Serena Williams was slapped with a $10,000 fine for throwing her racket down while guys like John McEnroe get to be assholes as much as they want.
@@onetouchofvenus2335 McEnroe was being a whiny douche, Serena literally threatened a line judge. Those two things aren't even remotely comparable, especially concerning the integrity of the game. And for what it's worth, McEnroe by no stretch of the imagination was allowed to 'be an asshole as much as he wanted.' He was also fined plenty of times and even defaulted once due to his particularly egregious behavior in a famous match at the AO.
*Let's be real.* Daenerys snapping at the very end (out of the blue) was more *fiction* than even her fictional dragons... just really difficult to believe, even within the realms of fantasy. *Infinitely no*
I thought this 2. I didn't think Daenerys was a good example. Her sudden snap was rushed writing.
She felt the Westerosi were ingrates after everything she's done for them, like forcing their leaders to sacrifice their independence
Yes
@@UnboxingAlyss it wasn’t rushed. It was wrong to her character
elesabeth holmes DID NOT FAIL TO DELIVER she was a crook
I can't wait to see your video discussing the Better Call Saul finale.
A very interesting depiction of women in leadership positions is the Danish “Borgen” which is focusing on the first fictional Danish prime minister Brigitte Nyborg and the rise of a young up-and-coming reporter Katrine Fosmark. The show is exploring both their more idealistic sides in its first three seasons but also shows their character cracking under the pressure of power in its fourth season that was released in 2022. I highly recommend it to everyone who follows this channel.
That's so interesting, love getting recommend shows from countries that don't market their media outside their own country
Could you maybe put a list of all referenced Movies and TV-Shows in the description of each video? :)
Im surprised Battlestar Galactica wasn't mentioned in the good section.
Also The Expanse, Chrisjen Avasarala and Laura Roslin are clear examples of a good leader (that happens to be a woman)
Even when Queen Elizabeth is portrayed in film, she's always emotional and crying and unable to handle a thing.
Thank you for making this video
Please make a video about the fact that in the media there are many examples of competition among women and reciprocal hate (mainly over trivial matters) and very few exemples of female cooperation. I mean there's plenty of movies where strong men support each other and work together while women seem to be lacking a female counterpart of the "bro code" (when in reality, women do support each other or at least have the potential to do so). Instead, we get many strong female characters who act completely alone and prove themselves better than the "average" woman, thus gaining men's respect and recognition.
I like seeing any leader who is cruel and self serving fail despite their genitalia. If anything why are we unwilling to see the woman be taken down as ruthlessly as a man would. Cersei gets to die with Jamie in her arms when she should have been tortured to death by Daeny.
I think it's because the most frequent depiction women are given of themselves in representations of their leadership, is those of women leaders who are terrible and deserve to fail. If a woman leader is depicted as successful, her success is rarely the point of the story being told about her.
because there already is a gross imbalance when it comes to which gender is depicted as being tortured, victims and ‘fallen’ and which gender is constantly depicted as hero’s, invincible, winners…especially when you consider the horror genre….
@@Thepriestessdeath really cause I see a lot more men in films being tortured and murdered and pretty much especially now any rape that is shown is a man raped
So you are ignoring the lead here. The video isn’t saying bad female leaders don’t exist. The video is saying that the culture excessively critiques female leaders to bring them down. Males are more liked once they gain power, females are less liked. You won’t see a male version of the Dany character because the point of the season 7-8 dany arc was that women are too emotional to lead. The problem is the ratio of bad female leaders-good female leaders in our stories is way out of proportion. Which ends up with us propping up incompetant men or nefarious men in the place of competant women who get criticized for nonsense.
@@NA86737 you’re full of it. Even if we were to use the example of game of thrones alone. NO.
This is kinda correct. While I prefer to work with women in different positions in productions. However, like 15 years ago when I was up-and-coming while working with advertising, I bumped up a Production Assistant that I knew to Assistant Director, for a short film. It totally got to her head.
When a Camera Operator ended up late on the set (we were on a remote location, so he could initially not find where we were, she dragged him in front of her crew and ripped him to pieces with a rant that was loud enough for everyone to hear.
So I dragged her from the set and firmly told her that that behavior was not allowed, since we had a long day ahead of us and that most of the cast and crew basically were working for free (it was a one-day shoot with quite many setups), I thought that it was very important that the team were in a good place. She got the gist and the shoot went smoothly, but I never worked with her on a project again.
The film turned out great, though, and landed me bigger budgets to play with from there on.
I feel like there are a lot more bad male leaders in the media, and just generally bad or incompetent men. This seems to be a bad Take when you consider the generally far more benevolent treatment of women in the media as a whole.
I think the difference is that when there are bad male eaters in media, their badness isn't directly tied to their maleness. While alot of the time when we see bad female leaders depicted in media, their badness is tied directly to their femaleness.
@@emmabennett7699 I’m not sure I really see that playing out personally, though I’d definitely agree that the ways that male and female badness are shown in the media are fairly distinct if that’s how you mean? Bad men are generally portrayed as ruthless and seeing power, whereas bad women seem to be portrayed as “catty” or causing subtle social manipulation. I see each as a portrayal of the negative extremes of each, so I feel like each is connected to their gender.
Daenerys’s failure and subsequent downfall didn’t even make any sense. It was just spillover misogyny from the writers.
She was always mad. The problem was them failing to accurately play this up (instead playing to the 'yasss queen girlboss' shit).
The problem, imo, is they went with GRRM's original intending ending when the show had already diverged. They either shouldn't have diverged as much or created an ending that fit with the show they'd been writing since s5 - in which case Dany probably would have won.
I love Daenerys character, but her failure and downfall were not misogynistic. It was clear she was going to fail, if not go mad, if she went to Westeros in both the books and show. The moment she did, she’d be a conqueror who believed they had a right to a land they never lived on. She wouldn’t be the hero but become the very wheel she was trying to break.
The only truly awful thing they did to her character was not give us enough time understand this and by doing so making it seem uncharacteristic.
@@dareisayit Agreed. The short version is that she believed her own mythology - that she was a saviour, and so had the right to do whatever needed to save people from themselves. That's psychotic behaviour. The way they did it in the show was deeply silly; it was made to look as though after years of isolation, slavery, beatings, rape, hardship etc the thing that tipped her over the edge was her nephew not wanting to sleep with her. Which was rather insulting for a demented but complex character.
Mmm no. It’s kinda clear this is her direction in the books also. The show only execute it terribly.
Not all women in power in fiction are bad
Take the Disney princesses for example
Question which Disney princesses have actual power? Elsa and who else?
@@nd9814 I don’t know if Elsa and Anna count since they’re not Disney Princesses because Disney felt Frozen could stand on its own but Moana is the chief of her village.
Only Elsa and Kida become queens in their own right. Moana, by the end of her story, has shown she has what it takes to lead her people well. The rest aren't really being prepared for any substantial leadership or authority of their own. Even Merida, ostensibly a rebel and a rule-breaker, is being prepped for marriage, not for rule. The leadership role in her kingdom will pass not into her hands, but into the hands of one of those pesky triplets (ugh, I hated them).
So we can't really look to Disney for many examples of female characters as wise, proactive, and empathetic leaders. Moana comes closest, which is why she's my favorite.
im suprised you didn't mention captain janeway (unless I missed it)
Please make a video about how there is whole thriller or horror genre about scary women/mothers
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I read an article once...
(by Naomi Klein perhaps I think? definitely a known feminist with a recognizable name) that argued that the Excessive Individualism that exists in many early forms of feminism can be traced back to Simone de Beauvoir and The Second Sex.
She was highly influenced by her lover, Sartre. His philosophy was extremely individualistic.
Side note: I actually find his whole orientation sadomasochistic--which is actually in text, in his version of existentialism there's always a subject subjugating an object. In any interaction either I get the upper hand and I become the subject and make you an object, or you get the upper hand, ypu become the subject and you make me a mere object. There's a whole book the ugliness of Star Trek that suggests that this represent that stems from his family of origin issues and artificially inflated self, regard
Daenerys shouldn't be there, it was writers fault that her character arc went south, she wasn't a "bad female leader" from the start
Very disappointed in your sponsor on this video.
Why should people from outside of Scotland be allowed to buy up our land, just so they can give themselves a title. Scotland's land is already owed by a minority of millionaires. We don't need more people buying it up who have absolutely no interest in the wellbeing of the people who live there.
I'd rethink whether you want to be associated with this sponsor.
Blood and soil, amirite?
Ironically, there are many international examples of women political leaders who are ethical and do work that is progressive and humanitarian. I think American society has a penchant for uplifting the wrong ppl because we focus on the dazzle and not substance.
I’m here first 😱😱
Well. I am a lord now.
I like how when Elon Musk has a really bad relationship with his employees and kinda mistreats them, he is applauded as being efficient or hardworking. While Nasty Gal's CEO is diminished. Misogyny at its highest peak.
If you haven’t seen it yet, y’all… check out The Crown. It’s absolutely phenomenal.
It is time treating women as individuals instead of a representative of her gender, because when she eff up, it is her gender that also eff up. Be careful of what you wish for.
There was a female ruler in Game of Thrones that was represented as good. That was Sansa Stark. She learned from early mistakes and became level-headed when making decisions.
Team Stark, absolutely love Sansa!
Um, also Lyanna Mormont! She was tough, had more honor than a hall full of men, and clearly cared about her people. She’d be a great boss.
What ? Sansa ? Hell no. Both with that fucked up nonsense DD wrote. Also honestly what exactly did she do except for betraying her brother abd acting but he towards other GOT powerful female leader ?!
@@TheAllSeeingAye fuck the starks
@@RealVincent1989 Sansa will forever be Queen of the North. Cry about it.
Leslie Knope was a pretty great leader
Why do people hate she hulk don't they realize she's literally taken from the comics straight to the big screen?
✨MISOGYNY✨
are you pandering for head pats? because if you check out peoples complaints about she hulk, and they are talking about the source material, the showrunner has simply repurposed her in ways that many people dont appreciate for many reasons.
and, yes, a lot of it is reactionary to the culture war over media. people who have felt burned by franchises over and over again, are deeply unappreciative and even resentful of how the response from marketing and social media has painted anyone expressing criticism as racists and misogynists... when females and minorities are also complaining about how cheap and lazy these stories feel.
... so. shes not "literally taken from the comics straight to the big screen". that comment itself is not correct on several aspects.
and, its just a guess, but youre probably saying this to score some points... even though you are being disingenuous with the flippant remark.
i heard someone say recently "its not hard to have a civil discussion, but its easy to be rude."
and i think both sides of the "woke" and "anti-sjw" show behavior that is incredibly similar to each other. the majority of both prefer to be rude. and they both get off in being rude.
sorry. did i answer your question?
Because she's a shining example of how MCU has gone from making compelling characters to shoehorning "the message". She ticks off all the boxes of modern MCU storytelling.
- Mary Sue character archetype,
- Tries too much to compound her hardships and raise her value all at the expense of the male characters
- Says she's better but was shown to be inept at controlling her emotions
There are many more, but the tldr is that she's been rewritten into the toxic feminist's go-to character rather than actually following the source material. If you listened to the complaints you'd know this version of her and her comic book counterpart are leagues different. They butchered her character just like they were doing to the male heroes. There's a reason why it's called the M-SHE-U now.
Well, they tell you if you listen to them: She's not the same character she was in the comics, for one thing. They've altered her quite a bit
The Daenerys story arc was flawed from the beginning, cause she was destined to be the clichéd terrible queen. What added insult to injury was the fact that it was botched by the show runners. So it kinda takes a problematic trope and made it WORSE. 😆
It wasn't botched, the books aren't even out yet
@@Chris-rg6nm it was botched and rushed just like the battle with the whitewalkers. A total disappointment.
it's not much between female vs male but toxic masculinity vs toxic feminity (being overly emotional, ultra feminine submisive and meltdowns)
I think in post girl boss society, women should be judged on the same merit as men and hold ourselves accountable/ do our job as good as we can. We should not hide under the banner of sexism and cry victim.
Is that Lyudmila Putin on 13:52 lmao
I have loved this video so much💜
Because the "Strong Female Leader" is at the top of our social hierarchy in the West, currently. Even with people perpetuating the myth of the downtrodden, oppressed modern woman. It was the same thing during the era of the "Big Business Man", where every bad guy was some corporate overlord.
Part of our entertainment is poking fun at those at the top.
The problem, though, seems to be people increasingly putting the cart before the horse. Entertainment FOLLOWS social trends, it isn't mean to, and indeed fails at SETTING those social trends. An alarming majority believes the latter, when reality tends to follow the former.
I think is so annoying that every time they make a movie about some Princess, she’s thinner than the real one. Like Marie Antoinette for example.
Oh yes... Hollywood is defently against women, Just look at movies like Charlie's Angles, Ghost Busters, The latest SWT, the hole Marvel's phase four movie and series production, The Rings of Power, WW 1982, Don't Worry Darling... I can go on until I mention over 80% of the current and future blockbuster production for the next 10 years but I believe that is not necessary.
I submit that the seeking of power requires becoming cold and conniving regardless of gender. for example Mr Fred Rogers did not seek power BECAUSE he was neither cold nor conniving. I would welcome ANY kind and benevolent leadership in any form (although Fiction is likely the ONLY place that could happen) I would still like to see it. I think the "Evil Leader" is in everything these days because hollywood keeps echoing the words "reflect the world we live in" over and over.
2:27 Whooo! Cersei Lannister! A favorite of mine (of course, if it’s a competition, she’ll kill them and then me XD
Daenerys still cuts deep…
If you want to see a competent female leader, watch the Danish show Borgen which shows of a fictional prime minister.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as im listening to the narrator discuss all the common "issues" women in power have within tv, I couldn't help but raise my eyebrow at the fact all these troublesome character traits are the very ones I see in the MEN who rule today
Your statement leaves the inference that women are as good or superior leaders to men open.
I am surprised you didn't mention Katharine Hepburn's role as Eleanor of Acquitane in the film version of The Lion In Winter. She was a medieval macchiavelli and a master manipulator who stopped at nothing to make sure her son, Richard was King. Peter O' Toole's Henry II was just as terrible a parent and completely unfaithful. To the townspeople, they were picture perfect and powerful rulers of their country, but when you live with them, they are full of drama...
Omg, THIS TOPIC!! I found myself repeatedly yelling out "YES! Exactly!" more times then I could count this episode. Such a good breakdown on this topic, ladies!!
What about madame secretary, Olivia Pope in Scandal, jessica pearson in suits, judi dench in Bond and others? Seems to be a one sided take.
Game of thrones and house of cards had equally vengeful and emotional male leaders as well, and as for the theranos series, well there was one about Madoff as well that presented him in an equally unflattering light.
PLEASE STOP Using the term "Misogyny" when you SHOULD be saying SEXISM or SEXIST‼️
Your usage is a Blatant exaggeration.
You're better than that!
Be the nuanced feminists.
The first thing to consider is that having women in charge will be different, because we're different from men. And that is not terrible hahaha there have been different men in charge some good some horrible, and we have endured. We need to trust in us women and see each other as capable humans that can lead, we already do that, we just need to take our chance in public service. We'll do great or not, and that's ok, men have done and as I said, we've survived 💜💚
Y'all gonna watch that upcoming movie called woman king? It looks pretty dope.
Despite it being about a tribe who were involved in the slave trade which they will gloss over. Just like how MLK was a philanderer. Black filmmakers other than Spike Lee and Steve McQueen are never willing to present their history honestly.
The movie that lionizes slavers...?
I'll pass.
the kingdom that the story is centred about weren;t they colinerz? Ireally dont remember im just asking
@@MrNeosantana This screams fake outrage. How many period movies glorify the time period they depict, but this is where you draw the line?
@@PrincessLioness Yes, I draw the line at groups who are only famous because they fought to preserve slavery.
If you are going to successfully analyze this, you have to compare the female leaders to male leaders (your control group). In GoT and House of Cards, for example, the male leaders are comparably awful. I think it is simply that good leadership tends to make for a dull story.
'I think it is simply that good leadership tends to make for a dull story.'
'Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?' A good leader gets elected at the end of the show and people go nuts with fury.
“Many of the examples are, in fact, positive examples.” Redundant. Just say, “Many of the examples are, in fact, positive.” Does no one proofread? There is no need to say that the examples are examples.
and let’s talk about marvel for example, when a woman has too much power she becomes a villain, she goes insane and can’t control herself, some examples: Scarlet Witch and Moondragon.
The funny thing is that there are a lot of examples of great female rulers, who were able to improve their countries. We shouldnt judge people on the basis of sex, but their character
Daenerys in the books and in the show are different characters. In the books, Daenerys is 15-16 years old as Queen of Meereen. She is a child, meanwhile Daenerys in the show is an adult. So in the books Daenerys doesn't make perfect decisions (which is totally understandable since she is a literal child), but her heart is in the right place.